This game turned 30 years old this year. Unbelievable how time flies. This is by far the best mounted gun arcade of all time. Given how big the movie was back then and this arcade game just added to it. The console version don't come close to the arcade version at all. I fed this arcade game a lot of my money. Revolution X, Terminator 2 Judgement Day, Lethal Enforcers 1 and 2, Time Crisis I and II, Space Gun, Alien 3 The Gun, Crime Patrol, Area 51, Maximum Force, Mad Dog McGree, Steel Gunner, so many great legendary gun arcade games from the 90s. I'm going to hook up the MAME later and play this classic.
Maybe it is gun mount and the light gun is for whatever other game is? Who knows until she comes out. Was a classic for sure. Especially being one of the movies that features a mall arcade!
Arcade1ups were funner when they were cheap or clearanced somewhere and you could just pull all of the stuff out of them and put in your own stuff. These things have gotten way to expensive though.
@@ScarletSprites I have three of them that I snagged for less than the cost of one at full price. There’s nothing even left in them that came with them besides the wood and art. The kiddos and I had fun putting better controls and screens in them and now they have their own mini arcade.
Arcade1Up CEO: How do we setup T2 arcade cabinet? Arcade1Up Engineer: It’s super easy. Barely any inconvenience. We will just put the guns on top of joysticks and use black boxes to cover them.
Hah, thanks man. I’m too sporadic with videos and impulsive when it comes to topic to gain any real traction I think. I appreciate the kind words though. Always thankful for the people that do watch.
Chris this game was one of my favorite games from my childhood so I feel you man 👍🏼. Honestly I would shop around though, if you have the room in your house or apartment. I scored the actual arcade cabinet on Craigslist for $700.00 ….. it didn’t work when purchased but repair part cost me $1.35 …… largest concern for me now that own the actual arcade cab and knowing what all goes in it and how it works is this - 1. Like Scarlet said that two way mirror with the flashing bulbs is HUGE when it comes to the immersive feel of this game 2. The solenoids in the actual guns are pretty bombastic and add tremendous haptic immersion as well I would want to see first if the guns are built well with haptic feedback and if the two way mirror effect was even taken into consideration If yes then he’ll yea this game would be worth every penny. But if not then you might want to consider looking into a used version of the actual cab
It’s great that it looks like this is going to be offered to people who have yearned for this cabinet. I’d definitely want to see some hands on reviews of the gameplay experience prior to ordering, but if that checks out and you’re happy have at it. Having a poster sized Arnold as decor is never a bad thing.
Just watched Insert Coin last night, and it's been revealed that the Arnold T800 in-game was actually his stunt double who wore a prosthetic jaw. Aside from any static pictures, it's not Arnold in the game!
I bought the A1U game as a huge fan of the movie, but since I didn't grow up in the 90s, I had no idea what the original game was like. I'm sure I'll have lots of fun on the replica. Thanks for pointing things out or I never would have known!
This is exactly my biggest concern about the guns not using traditional pots as a positional gun. A1up pretty much has the tech to do this as the they used Potentiometers inside their Star Wars yokes, so I was really hoping these would have been mounted guns.
And maybe they still will be? This could still be a mock-up. Pots aren’t exactly expensive either but I guess the fear is them getting worn and broken by rough use in a home setting? I don’t know. Not sure how much riskier that is vs. an actual light gun. I’m with you though, I would have liked to have seen the attempt.
@@ScarletSprites that's the hope that these are early renders and they could still update the design to make mounted rail guns work! *crosses fingers*. It would be much easier to mod them too, 😆 which is what i normally do with these A1ups
Arcade 1up machines are basically cheaper knock-offs but they do make for a cool little home arcade for kids and adults for reasonable prices (if you find them cheaper than the BS prices online).
4:18 Excuse me, what? I have NEVER seen this on any arcade machine of T2 I have played around the world since it came out! That's pretty crazy to learn... either it burned out or is there an option to disable from the dipswitch?
Yeah, one could argue that the more authentic arcade experience is to NOT have this. I don’t think it was ever working on machines I played in the wild.
Apparently the bulbs burned out and most operators didn't replace them. TNT amusements video explaining how they work th-cam.com/video/hy86CYUm6aI/w-d-xo.html
Agree 100%. My buddy and I would get a $10 quarter roll (each) and play this until the end. We did it often and this would be perfect - if it was somewhat authentic. Being that it's not even close, I'll prob get a set of the stationary guns (as shown by Retro Ralph) and put them a Gamer Pro where I can play all the stationary gun cabs like Op Wolf. Just don't see getting that arcade feel with a non-stationary gun and on the small screen. I'd consider picking it up and modding one of these if A1UP pricing didn't go crazy. In reality - I don't think it exists anyways. Feels like a scheme to get people talking about something other than that price increase anyways.
@@NoThanksnothanks Trade it in for the upgraded version Operation Thunderbolt, Taito made that one so it wouldn't cause epilepsy/seizures like Operation Wolf did with it's non-stop flashing screen. For you own health and safety reasons, as well as others.
I'm thinking about getting a Daytona for my first cab, i hear they are super easy to work on. Dude thank you so much for the mention. I would love to get the real cab, absolutely but where I am too in Canada I don't think it will be possible. You make so many good points about the difference in the experience and tha6 concerns me too. These are mini multicades where concessions are made to accommodate all games on the cab. Example is they just released a tempest with a horizontal monitor. Here I think the other games are more standard light gun so this is what we got. I don't know, i i doo want the original experience more than a different way to play this so we will have to wait until an official word comes out. PSS I wasn't joking about the Daytona, one here working aka Turns on but doesn't play by the description
Hey man, glad you got word out yesterday! Man I don’t know if I’d recommend a racer as a first cab, lol. Cool as hell once working but if it’s your first rodeo it can be a little daunting. You’re right that geography plays a large part in availability and pricing on cabs. If you ever need any help don’t be afraid to ask though. As far as this T2 I really want to see some hands on reviews. If I can demo one at a store all the better. I’m really curious as to how it plays if it uses the Sinden technology. Could be a wild experience.
Slim pickings where I live here in Canada for authentic arcades so I’ll most likely be picking it up. I’m curious how the non mounted guns work accurate with cursor movement.
I’m not sure they’re actual issues so much as just differences. I guess any time you try to adapt old hardware to newer tech you’ll have things you’ll have to concede, even if it arguably makes things “better”. It’ll be interesting to see someone actually go hands on with the final product.
T2 arcade is one of my favorite arcade games and I played the heck out of the genesis version as a kid. I’d be all over this….if it wasn’t $850. They are high
It’s a pretty steep entry fee, I agree. Even thinking that “clearance” prices could be $499 or so seems rough. Hopefully it’s a good experience overall. I’ll be interested in seeing the hands on reviews.
I saw in one of your past videos that you had your T2 guns all apart. I hope you have been documenting your restoration of this cabinet and do a video on everything you do to it. I finally picked one up after searching forever. Mine has some chunks missing like yours. Just down at the bottom corners instead of up high. Mine also has weak recoil on player two and during long plays it eventually stops all together. Thinking about getting a new coil and plunger and seeing if that fixes things. I don’t think it’s a driver board issue.
T2!!... I always had trouble calibrating the right gun on MAME when I downloaded it years ago to my computer and even player 1 gun was never perfect either. I played it with the arrow keys on my keyboard lol
For me this hints at more games(shooters) packed into this game. Which can be a very good thing. Arcade1up is in a rock and a hard place...if they do a fully dedicated T2 game with similar controls like Star Wars, then many will complain at the cost for the price...even the "old prices".
I feel like this one warrants the better treatment of the pots, but maybe they tested both avenues and people preferred the light gun experience. I don’t know. Either way I’d definitely want to demo one prior to dropping $700.
@@ScarletSprites Arcade1up deals with mass customers/big box stores and that can definitely be a factor. What many forget is there are tons of factors the public or fans don't understand behind the scenes. They are international and can see right off the bat, having two black oozies would be impossible, hence the blue and red more "toy" looking. And I don't fault arcade1up for that. As for if they are attached to base or removable is a balancing act. Both have their advantages. The "purist" would appreciate the more authentic feel. However, if they are removable, it for me indicates there could be other titles which would add to the value and replayability. Similar to chosing horizontal vs vertical screen layout. Either way, I'm very excited for more news to come.
850?? I can think of other great things to spend that money on than one overhyped arcade cabinet. I was able to get the original TMNT arcade 1up cabinet for 399, but as long as they keep raising the price, I won't be buying another.
I'm a fan of Arcade1Up cabinets simply for their size and the fact that it at least looks like an arcade cabinet. Beyond that, its the real thing for me all the way! I don't have a single stock Arcade1Up, I don't hate them but I wanted better controls and make the games I've always wanted. So I put too much money and time into Arcade1Up cab mods haha. As soon as I can buy a new house with a ground floor arcade space, I'll almost certainly only buy real cabs. I bought a real Hydro Thunder but I can't even attempt to get into my upstairs game room. The door frame is too small, something I never thought of when buying the house lol. I'm also baffled by the guns. They do look like they can be picked up but, the cradle they're sitting in is far too large to just hold them. I think its going to be potentiometer and I suppose it *COULD* have the ability to lift the guns and use them as a light gun for other games. I'd be surprised though, the cable length looks far too short. The price of A1U's have reached a crazy level in my opinion. I'm also sure they'll sell to the hardcore guys who just won't dive into real cabs or modifying them seems too daunting.
I’d love to grab a Hydro Thunder. I would agree that if you’re getting arcade machines and you have the option, you’re going to want to widen those door frames to 36”, lol. The only cab I haven’t been able to get through one has been Laser Ghost. That was a big disappointment but also a BIG ASS machine. I’m over it. Almost.
@@ScarletSprites The extra bedrooms in my house are only like 29 inches...who does that?! I looked at widening mine but its up against the bannister and the A/C closet so I'm stuck. Not to mention the room is small, only 11x12. Those big machines make it so difficult to collect them. I can't wait to see the collectors of the younger generation taking a Halo Fire Team Raven machine home and trying to stuff it somewhere lol!
I love when certain arcades had guns that actually vibrate it and when you shot the missile launcher you felt it those things didn't last long the dude told me at the arcade he said they only work for a little while because I was playing a game the gun wasn't working and that's what he told me.
i played VF2 thousands of times in the arcade, and on the saturn. this saturn version was accurate to the gameplay with the saturn arcade joystick (Which i still have and use with USB on the PC). but the game was never close to the arcade graphics. but without the 3d backgrounds, and polygons. the PS2 VF2 is much better. later -1
It would be interesting to see home versions of some more recent machines like Extermination and Salvation. That would be really intriguing since many of those genuine cabinets are still pretty expensive.
I'm mean, we're splitting hairs over how the gun sends input to the system and how it's "not original", and yet all of these at home cabinets are using lcd screens. Like, that's the biggest "not original" possible and it's constantly in your face.
T2 in the arcade always got my money. Loved it. The A1Up might be fun but F paying $700 for it. Kev paid $50 for his real one. They’re out there. There was one at SFGE last year and I think it was priced around 800 or 900. I played Salvation for the first time at my daughters birthday party year before last. It was really cool! The rifles felt badass. They should’ve made that a 1Up , for that price point and so that they stay true to design having light guns.
I’d love to see some of the more out of reach Raw Thrills games like that get home versions. I’m guessing they’d really have to up their hardware beyond what it is today in order to run those “modern” 3D graphics. I’d selfishly be much more interested in a Salvation game that featured T2 as a bonus, lol.
Sometimes it’s not cool to admit you like these kinds of games in the arcade world but I’ve never shied away from them. There’s too many memories and experiences I have attached to them to pretend I don’t. It’s all about what you take enjoyment in.
Don't know if this is the one I played at mr gattis but I played through it akimbo, using both guns myself as opposed to 1 at a time, almost beat it too.
I play t2 alot on my mame pc in my rec room masters cab. I use the aimtrack light gun and the sinden light gun. It works well enough. There is a tiny bit of cursor lag and there is no flash when you get shot like you show in the video on OG hardware. The sinden is better than the aimtrack but both are a decent solution. I would imagine if this is real, 1up would be using modified sinden tech like in the big buck hunter cab
That’s a good point. I’ve not been able to use a Sinden yet and I haven’t actually seen it in person but it seems like a cool option for modern gun games.
It’s often a combination of both. Software emulation and the control inputs that go along with it often introduce lag. How badly can vary greatly. Digital displays then have their own levels of lag, and those too vary amongst models.
I don't care what anyone says about the price or the authenticity to the original cab or whatever, I'm a sucker for light gun games and a T2 cabinet no less!
There is something magical about the original cabinet that really brings an experience. It’s a tough thing to live up to. I’ll be curious to see some of the hands on reviews.
Hopefully these are light guns and not potentio guns. Would also be nice of the guns can be dismounted so you can hold it freely. I hated fixed mount gun games in the arcades.
I’m not really thrilled about these Arcade1Ups. I’m 6 foot and the machines are so small even with risers. They feel cheep and it doesn’t sit well. I miss the old full size machines. You can’t beat the experience of those heavy mounted guns on the original T2 machine.
I’m with you on that. I think it’s nice that people who may be cramped for space have an option, and it seems to be something parents enjoy playing with their kids on. The real relics like this T2 though? It’s real or bust for me.
@@ScarletSprites I remember back in the day how that T2 machine was just everywhere. Being a kid and trying to aim those crazy vibrating guns. It was just magic. So I deff agree.
When it comes to arcades, I 100% perfer the original. Arcade1up ruined them by making them LCD flatscreens when classic games were designed with CRT in mind.
I believe someone mentioned that that tech is being used for their Buck Hunter game already. I suspect that would be the same in this case. I’ll admit that I’d definitely like to try it out.
It's hard to beat the original arcade game in any capacity. Just the authenticity keeps it above everything else. Once you go there it's hard to go with something's less. Aside from that is there a company I can call to buy a Supergun and that also sells pcb boards. I had one in the early 90's which I mail ordered from California but at that time magazines were a thing where they would have phone numbers of companies that sold things like tthat. But nowadays it's hard to find arcade hardware anywhere. Extremely hard. Any companies you know where I can buy it? I remember wanting a Capcom CPS changer back in 93-94 as well but only was through Japan mail order. Never got one but i had neo- geo aes. Can you help??
The HAS is a Supergun that a lot of enthusiasts recommend and use. They’re on an order status I believe though and orders aren’t always open. I can also recommend Axunworks.com, he’s a one man show and it can take a while to get your item because they’re made to order, but he makes some really niche arcade products. Checkout his website, he is doing superguns too.
You’re right , nobody who owns dozens of 1ups knows it isn’t a light gun in T2, but at them same time, they are the same people who do not care about how the original works. The guns seem like they have to detach because why the heck are the guns so low and pointing at the bottom of the bezel . If they are attached , My concern is the height of the guns from the ground. I’m guessing on the 1up I won’t be leaning on the cab and getting a nice straight on look. I might have to play on a stool. Haha. And if they aren’t attached , well then who ‘knows what angle I’ll be shooting at. In the end, what do I care, I’m not getting one anyway.
Exactly lol. I would rather play it on mame with a mouse if it can’t be replicated the right way. I would never consider buying these new 1up’s at this pricing.
Hah, you're not wrong. A few people have been talking about the mirror and sense of depth the original gives. That's kind of hard to do with this unless you want to make the cabinet deeper which everyone including A1Up seems highly opposed to. In the end the light gun tech may actually be needed to give any sense of aiming and not block the screen. I'll be really curious to see the reviews of this. If this were cheaper or they wanted to send me one (lol) I'd love to do a side by side full review comparison breakdown of pros and cons.
Oooh, that’s a loaded question. I think there are for sure people who may honestly answer the latter and that’s ok. Maybe people who don’t want to admit the latter as well. People often say their kids love jamming on these too so I’m sure it’s a mix of both.
Hahaha, I really want to try and merge “arcade gaming” into single videos and be inclusive about it. Sometimes that will be emulating, FPGA, or original hardware. This was a pretty impulsive video tbh, wasn’t planning this but it seemed to fit that mold.
Gee, I do have to admit, that T2 cabinet from Arcade1Up does look really tempting Scarlet. But of course, you just beat original hardware that's for sure bro. 8^) Anthony..
It definitely looks the part, that’s for sure. Tough to live up to original cabinet experience but we shall see. I’ll be interested in seeing those hands on reviews.
Yeah I'll definitely be buying this if/when it actually gets released. I'm curious as to what the other games will be. Revolution X is a good bet I'd say. But I love this game as a kid so I'll definitely be buying it the first day. I saw a leaked photo of Area 51 a while back so I was holding out for that one but I think if I had to choose, and I probably do because of space and can probably only have one shooter game, I would probably pick Terminator 2 over area 51.
Or, it might be a light gun game. I definitely want to see some hands on gameplay reviews. Maybe they’ll send me one to compare against the original!? 🤔😂
They will never get this game right because the monitor was recessed to give the sense of depth(if I remember correctly). Too expensive for all the unknowns of that 1up cabinet.
This is an example of a must own cabinet for me. I’ve seen these at auction But most of the time they are out of reach. I got a Revolution X years ago for $1000. But Terminator 2 has always escaped my grasp. I’ve played this with emulation. But the original cabinet is a grail game for me and the only way to play in my opinion. I admit to owning a few arcade1ups. But I’ll be passing on their version of this game. If I can’t have the original then I’ll just do without.
I wanted to avoid going down that path in the video because it easily comes off as elitist, but I truly believe that this is just one of those games that isn’t easily reproduced. The cabinet, sound, recoil, and upside down monitor giving the artificial depth is just an “experience”. Not sure how else to really frame that. It’s subjective but feels factual. Kind of like how seeing a movie in theaters provided a different experience than when you bought the VHS tape. There was a Rev X close to me for $300 that was fully working and I thought about it for far too long and it eventually sold. I kind of regret waiting on that one.
@@ScarletSprites I understand what you mean by not wanting to sound elitists. But you are right. This is a unique cabinet and you can’t replicate the features. That reminds me. I have a couple bulbs out on each of my light pcbs behind the glass. Gotta get on that. Finally acquired a working T2 last month after years of searching for one in working order. $300 for a fully working Rev X is insanely cheap these days. I would have jumped on it. You could easily resell for a profit if the game doesn’t speak to you. Speaking of, I love having Steven Tyler yell at me to put more quarters in. Mine is on free play. But you know what I mean.
With the flimsy pedals and lack of feedback in Outrun that should have been a $400 unit. If this takes the same cheap parts approach I wouldn't buy it for more than that.
In the arcade, I remember the guns rocking and vibrating when you shot them. Is that true? If A1up doesn't do that, that was the MAIN DRAW of the experience.
Yes, there’s a pretty significant kick on the guns. It increases and decreases with the “health” of your weapon too. I think the A1Up listed recoil as a function. No telling if it syncs in any way with the gameplay yet though.
For me with the detached guns and small screen ruins the experience for me. They changed this game way too much. For what Arcade 1UP is now charging people are better off getting a iiRcade. It might be fun to revisit this game for free in MAME but I wouldn't pay money for a inferior experience.
I've been playing this on mame for years. I use a track ball and buttons, on my rec room masters 4 player deck. Honestly, I'll most likely pick this Cab up, as it just has Nostalgia overload, and will look awesome in the game room. Functional furniture, yeah most likely =-). Great video!
Yeah, I guess that’s why they are issuing the stools with each set. I actually own the MK and Champion Edition stools for the artwork. I might want that Big Blue one too 🤔.
It'll be a hard pass for me as well, given the fact that from what it looks like. It looks like they are making the change to light guns and that alone is enough to push away from the purchase of this product. Nothing at all can replicate the experience from the original, not even mame can replicate the experience. I give them points for trying nonetheless.
I'm going to be watching reviews on this carefully. The build quality of the guns is going to determine my level of interest. My biggest fear is that they'll put the gun tech in a shell that feels like it came from the dollar store, which will affect game play. The quality of their control parts were ok when these were $300-400 cabinets, but at the $650-700 price point they should be using better quality clone parts.
I would agree, I personally wouldn’t pre-order or buy until I was able to play one. A few hands on reviews from different perspectives would be a bare minimum qualifier for me. I don’t think it can be overstated how critical the gun build and functionality is for this type of game.
I could see it going either way, same with the opinion on that. It’s tough. I think my ocd would just keep telling me that it was wrong. But who knows, if it’s a hell of a lot of fun it’s easy to drown out those thoughts.
Man I HATED this game when I was younger, only cause it ate my cash. It’s fun but hard. To be honest I did prefer Operation Wolf for potentiometer games, but only cause I was better at it.
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This game turned 30 years old this year. Unbelievable how time flies. This is by far the best mounted gun arcade of all time. Given how big the movie was back then and this arcade game just added to it. The console version don't come close to the arcade version at all. I fed this arcade game a lot of my money. Revolution X, Terminator 2 Judgement Day, Lethal Enforcers 1 and 2, Time Crisis I and II, Space Gun, Alien 3 The Gun, Crime Patrol, Area 51, Maximum Force, Mad Dog McGree, Steel Gunner, so many great legendary gun arcade games from the 90s. I'm going to hook up the MAME later and play this classic.
Was definitely a good time!
Maybe it is gun mount and the light gun is for whatever other game is? Who knows until she comes out. Was a classic for sure. Especially being one of the movies that features a mall arcade!
Arcade1ups were funner when they were cheap or clearanced somewhere and you could just pull all of the stuff out of them and put in your own stuff. These things have gotten way to expensive though.
That’s a good point too. What’s clearance for this? $399?
@@ScarletSprites I have three of them that I snagged for less than the cost of one at full price. There’s nothing even left in them that came with them besides the wood and art. The kiddos and I had fun putting better controls and screens in them and now they have their own mini arcade.
Im not overly shocked by that. These always seemed destined for the modding crowd.
The guns made the deal in the arcade with that hammer action. Wonder how this feels in person
Arcade1Up CEO: How do we setup T2 arcade cabinet?
Arcade1Up Engineer: It’s super easy. Barely any inconvenience. We will just put the guns on top of joysticks and use black boxes to cover them.
Omg T2 Aerosmith revolution X and operation Wolf were the BEST
Man I always love your content. You should have way more subs.
Hah, thanks man. I’m too sporadic with videos and impulsive when it comes to topic to gain any real traction I think. I appreciate the kind words though. Always thankful for the people that do watch.
I’m getting this one for sure, it might not be perfect but this is my most wanted cab. It would be a dream come true for me.
Chris this game was one of my favorite games from my childhood so I feel you man 👍🏼.
Honestly I would shop around though, if you have the room in your house or apartment. I scored the actual arcade cabinet on Craigslist for $700.00 ….. it didn’t work when purchased but repair part cost me $1.35 …… largest concern for me now that own the actual arcade cab and knowing what all goes in it and how it works is this -
1. Like Scarlet said that two way mirror with the flashing bulbs is HUGE when it comes to the immersive feel of this game
2. The solenoids in the actual guns are pretty bombastic and add tremendous haptic immersion as well
I would want to see first if the guns are built well with haptic feedback and if the two way mirror effect was even taken into consideration
If yes then he’ll yea this game would be worth every penny. But if not then you might want to consider looking into a used version of the actual cab
It’s great that it looks like this is going to be offered to people who have yearned for this cabinet. I’d definitely want to see some hands on reviews of the gameplay experience prior to ordering, but if that checks out and you’re happy have at it. Having a poster sized Arnold as decor is never a bad thing.
@@ScarletSprites so when is this T2 arcade1 up coming out? Any idea if it will feature a second shooter game like Revolution X with it?
Just watched Insert Coin last night, and it's been revealed that the Arnold T800 in-game was actually his stunt double who wore a prosthetic jaw. Aside from any static pictures, it's not Arnold in the game!
I bought the A1U game as a huge fan of the movie, but since I didn't grow up in the 90s, I had no idea what the original game was like. I'm sure I'll have lots of fun on the replica. Thanks for pointing things out or I never would have known!
If the cabinet comes out, it'll probably cost about AU$1500+ in Australia.
Yikes
if it's real, I like the OG mounted guns and they should use a bigger deck for the guns
This is exactly my biggest concern about the guns not using traditional pots as a positional gun. A1up pretty much has the tech to do this as the they used Potentiometers inside their Star Wars yokes, so I was really hoping these would have been mounted guns.
And maybe they still will be? This could still be a mock-up. Pots aren’t exactly expensive either but I guess the fear is them getting worn and broken by rough use in a home setting? I don’t know. Not sure how much riskier that is vs. an actual light gun. I’m with you though, I would have liked to have seen the attempt.
@@ScarletSprites that's the hope that these are early renders and they could still update the design to make mounted rail guns work! *crosses fingers*. It would be much easier to mod them too, 😆 which is what i normally do with these A1ups
Arcade 1up machines are basically cheaper knock-offs but they do make for a cool little home arcade for kids and adults for reasonable prices (if you find them cheaper than the BS prices online).
Just purchased this cabinet for $500.. great content
4:18 Excuse me, what? I have NEVER seen this on any arcade machine of T2 I have played around the world since it came out! That's pretty crazy to learn... either it burned out or is there an option to disable from the dipswitch?
Yeah, one could argue that the more authentic arcade experience is to NOT have this. I don’t think it was ever working on machines I played in the wild.
Apparently the bulbs burned out and most operators didn't replace them.
TNT amusements video explaining how they work th-cam.com/video/hy86CYUm6aI/w-d-xo.html
Terminator 2 should've been a competitive dual-sided arcade machine where P1 takes the role of T-800 and P2 takes the role of T-1000.
Stop right there. I’m in.
Loving the tunes in the background!
Streambeats provided those and they were all free. Huge thanks and shoutout!
Hey you experience any weird knocking sounds in the audio that kind of skips the gameplay when it happens like a knocking sound
I can’t say that I’ve noticed anything like that, sorry.
Great video! 👍
Thanks man!
Depends on what other games come with it, they are going up in price though
Agree 100%. My buddy and I would get a $10 quarter roll (each) and play this until the end. We did it often and this would be perfect - if it was somewhat authentic. Being that it's not even close, I'll prob get a set of the stationary guns (as shown by Retro Ralph) and put them a Gamer Pro where I can play all the stationary gun cabs like Op Wolf. Just don't see getting that arcade feel with a non-stationary gun and on the small screen. I'd consider picking it up and modding one of these if A1UP pricing didn't go crazy. In reality - I don't think it exists anyways. Feels like a scheme to get people talking about something other than that price increase anyways.
If it comes with Operation wolf, it is a first day buy for me.
Operation Wolf isn't
good for the eyes at all.
@@KenMasters. what do u recommend? I have a true Taito operation wolf arcade cab with CRT. But it has problems. Give up on the wolf?
@@NoThanksnothanks
Trade it in for the upgraded version Operation Thunderbolt, Taito made that one so it wouldn't cause epilepsy/seizures like Operation Wolf did with it's non-stop flashing screen.
For you own health and safety reasons, as well as others.
@@KenMasters. nah no thanks.
I'm thinking about getting a Daytona for my first cab, i hear they are super easy to work on. Dude thank you so much for the mention. I would love to get the real cab, absolutely but where I am too in Canada I don't think it will be possible. You make so many good points about the difference in the experience and tha6 concerns me too. These are mini multicades where concessions are made to accommodate all games on the cab. Example is they just released a tempest with a horizontal monitor. Here I think the other games are more standard light gun so this is what we got. I don't know, i i doo want the original experience more than a different way to play this so we will have to wait until an official word comes out. PSS I wasn't joking about the Daytona, one here working aka Turns on but doesn't play by the description
Hey man, glad you got word out yesterday! Man I don’t know if I’d recommend a racer as a first cab, lol. Cool as hell once working but if it’s your first rodeo it can be a little daunting. You’re right that geography plays a large part in availability and pricing on cabs. If you ever need any help don’t be afraid to ask though. As far as this T2 I really want to see some hands on reviews. If I can demo one at a store all the better. I’m really curious as to how it plays if it uses the Sinden technology. Could be a wild experience.
Slim pickings where I live here in Canada for authentic arcades so I’ll most likely be picking it up. I’m curious how the non mounted guns work accurate with cursor movement.
I’ll be curious to see and hear about that as well. Could be really cool and a fun new take on the game.
Great video as always, nobody seems to be touching on these issues
I’m not sure they’re actual issues so much as just differences. I guess any time you try to adapt old hardware to newer tech you’ll have things you’ll have to concede, even if it arguably makes things “better”. It’ll be interesting to see someone actually go hands on with the final product.
@@ScarletSprites Absolutely, but it's probably not something I'm interested in. Great insight SS
T2 arcade is one of my favorite arcade games and I played the heck out of the genesis version as a kid. I’d be all over this….if it wasn’t $850. They are high
It’s a pretty steep entry fee, I agree. Even thinking that “clearance” prices could be $499 or so seems rough. Hopefully it’s a good experience overall. I’ll be interested in seeing the hands on reviews.
@@ScarletSprites same
Didn't A1U license the Sinden light gun tech? If the T2 is a real cab then that could be what they're using.
Yes, that’s seems pretty likely. I think someone mentioned it’s what is used on their Buck Hunter cab.
I play this and Rev X on my Legends Ultimate cab using the trackball. Works surprisingly well.
I could see the trackball being pretty good for this. The mouse really isn’t half bad but it feels like cheating almost.
Arcade1up is restoring my faith can't wait for it
I played both the arcade game and pinball of T2. The movie rocked one of the best sequels ever
Oh man the pinball with that big exoskeleton head on the playfield! Such a great game!
Arnold fan so it’s a YES!!! I’ll be BACK
Haha, the side art alone is top notch.
I saw in one of your past videos that you had your T2 guns all apart. I hope you have been documenting your restoration of this cabinet and do a video on everything you do to it. I finally picked one up after searching forever. Mine has some chunks missing like yours. Just down at the bottom corners instead of up high. Mine also has weak recoil on player two and during long plays it eventually stops all together. Thinking about getting a new coil and plunger and seeing if that fixes things. I don’t think it’s a driver board issue.
it's actually pretty fun to play touch screen on your phone or a tablet
You know, while I was editing this I had wondered about that lol. That answers that question for me.
Where can I find it?
@@Shapeshifterxx MAME for Android
T2!!... I always had trouble calibrating the right gun on MAME when I downloaded it years ago to my computer and even player 1 gun was never perfect either. I played it with the arrow keys on my keyboard lol
Oh wow, arrow keys! That sounds rough!
@@ScarletSprites I forgot. Either that or I used a hand held controller but the calibration sucked no matter what I did
Maybe a potential cabinet to mod.
For me this hints at more games(shooters) packed into this game. Which can be a very good thing. Arcade1up is in a rock and a hard place...if they do a fully dedicated T2 game with similar controls like Star Wars, then many will complain at the cost for the price...even the "old prices".
I feel like this one warrants the better treatment of the pots, but maybe they tested both avenues and people preferred the light gun experience. I don’t know. Either way I’d definitely want to demo one prior to dropping $700.
@@ScarletSprites Arcade1up deals with mass customers/big box stores and that can definitely be a factor. What many forget is there are tons of factors the public or fans don't understand behind the scenes. They are international and can see right off the bat, having two black oozies would be impossible, hence the blue and red more "toy" looking. And I don't fault arcade1up for that. As for if they are attached to base or removable is a balancing act. Both have their advantages. The "purist" would appreciate the more authentic feel. However, if they are removable, it for me indicates there could be other titles which would add to the value and replayability. Similar to chosing horizontal vs vertical screen layout. Either way, I'm very excited for more news to come.
Do they have a choice? That monitor is too close to work in the old mode
It’s a good point, I didn’t even get into the whole upward facing mounted CRT with “depth reflection.”
Always interesting in what the "Arcade Guru" has on his mind about all things arcade related... Thanks for sharing retro bro! 🤘
Thanks man, just some random thoughts before bed. Nothing anyone needs be concerned by, lol.
850?? I can think of other great things to spend that money on than one overhyped arcade cabinet. I was able to get the original TMNT arcade 1up cabinet for 399, but as long as they keep raising the price, I won't be buying another.
I'll be picking one up. To nostalgic not to
I'm a fan of Arcade1Up cabinets simply for their size and the fact that it at least looks like an arcade cabinet. Beyond that, its the real thing for me all the way! I don't have a single stock Arcade1Up, I don't hate them but I wanted better controls and make the games I've always wanted. So I put too much money and time into Arcade1Up cab mods haha. As soon as I can buy a new house with a ground floor arcade space, I'll almost certainly only buy real cabs. I bought a real Hydro Thunder but I can't even attempt to get into my upstairs game room. The door frame is too small, something I never thought of when buying the house lol. I'm also baffled by the guns. They do look like they can be picked up but, the cradle they're sitting in is far too large to just hold them. I think its going to be potentiometer and I suppose it *COULD* have the ability to lift the guns and use them as a light gun for other games. I'd be surprised though, the cable length looks far too short. The price of A1U's have reached a crazy level in my opinion. I'm also sure they'll sell to the hardcore guys who just won't dive into real cabs or modifying them seems too daunting.
I’d love to grab a Hydro Thunder. I would agree that if you’re getting arcade machines and you have the option, you’re going to want to widen those door frames to 36”, lol. The only cab I haven’t been able to get through one has been Laser Ghost. That was a big disappointment but also a BIG ASS machine. I’m over it. Almost.
@@ScarletSprites The extra bedrooms in my house are only like 29 inches...who does that?! I looked at widening mine but its up against the bannister and the A/C closet so I'm stuck. Not to mention the room is small, only 11x12. Those big machines make it so difficult to collect them. I can't wait to see the collectors of the younger generation taking a Halo Fire Team Raven machine home and trying to stuff it somewhere lol!
Omg , shut up and take my money . Eighty Two in downtown LA has the original .
I love when certain arcades had guns that actually vibrate it and when you shot the missile launcher you felt it those things didn't last long the dude told me at the arcade he said they only work for a little while because I was playing a game the gun wasn't working and that's what he told me.
2:55 Same here with VF1! I think it still hold it's own style.
Right!? It’s actually looks it’s part and fits in with what you’d think an early 3D game should look like. Remix is just bad imo (visually).
If they are mounted, you can mod it to play Gunblade NY, Aliens Infestation and other mounted gun machines.
Man I would love to play Gunblade NY again. It’s been so long since I’ve seen that in the wild.
i played VF2 thousands of times in the arcade, and on the saturn.
this saturn version was accurate to the gameplay with the saturn arcade joystick
(Which i still have and use with USB on the PC). but the game was never close
to the arcade graphics.
but without the 3d backgrounds, and polygons. the PS2 VF2 is much better.
later
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I'm very doubtful the Arcade1Up version will have the same level of heavy force feedback that the original arcade unit did. Hard. Pass.
Id love to have a terminator 2 arcade 1up cabinet and an aliens extermination cabinet to. And terminator salvation cabinet to
It would be interesting to see home versions of some more recent machines like Extermination and Salvation. That would be really intriguing since many of those genuine cabinets are still pretty expensive.
I'm mean, we're splitting hairs over how the gun sends input to the system and how it's "not original", and yet all of these at home cabinets are using lcd screens. Like, that's the biggest "not original" possible and it's constantly in your face.
I died on that hill two years ago. Not even going to bring it up again. Agree though that a CRT is critical to a cab’s authentic look.
T2 in the arcade always got my money. Loved it. The A1Up might be fun but F paying $700 for it. Kev paid $50 for his real one. They’re out there. There was one at SFGE last year and I think it was priced around 800 or 900. I played Salvation for the first time at my daughters birthday party year before last. It was really cool! The rifles felt badass. They should’ve made that a 1Up , for that price point and so that they stay true to design having light guns.
I’d love to see some of the more out of reach Raw Thrills games like that get home versions. I’m guessing they’d really have to up their hardware beyond what it is today in order to run those “modern” 3D graphics. I’d selfishly be much more interested in a Salvation game that featured T2 as a bonus, lol.
Now THAT might fetch 700.
Scarlet Sprites, Adding Terminator Salvation to T2 or vice versa would help to justify their $700 price point.
Huge fan of this game!
Sometimes it’s not cool to admit you like these kinds of games in the arcade world but I’ve never shied away from them. There’s too many memories and experiences I have attached to them to pretend I don’t. It’s all about what you take enjoyment in.
Don't know if this is the one I played at mr gattis but I played through it akimbo, using both guns myself as opposed to 1 at a time, almost beat it too.
I play t2 alot on my mame pc in my rec room masters cab. I use the aimtrack light gun and the sinden light gun. It works well enough. There is a tiny bit of cursor lag and there is no flash when you get shot like you show in the video on OG hardware. The sinden is better than the aimtrack but both are a decent solution. I would imagine if this is real, 1up would be using modified sinden tech like in the big buck hunter cab
That’s a good point. I’ve not been able to use a Sinden yet and I haven’t actually seen it in person but it seems like a cool option for modern gun games.
Does mame affect lag compared to pcb or the monitor being crt is whats important?
It’s often a combination of both. Software emulation and the control inputs that go along with it often introduce lag. How badly can vary greatly. Digital displays then have their own levels of lag, and those too vary amongst models.
I have this game on my Starwars Arcade 1up. It's perfect.
I actually could see that working really well.
How much does a beat up T2 arcade cab go for?
500-800. Just buy the real one
Less than the A1Up if you scout and are patient.
I don't care what anyone says about the price or the authenticity to the original cab or whatever, I'm a sucker for light gun games and a T2 cabinet no less!
Original arcade cab is the only way to play with the white light flashes
There is something magical about the original cabinet that really brings an experience. It’s a tough thing to live up to. I’ll be curious to see some of the hands on reviews.
I hope they make this. I loved this game when it was in the arcade. terminator forever 👍
Hopefully these are light guns and not potentio guns. Would also be nice of the guns can be dismounted so you can hold it freely. I hated fixed mount gun games in the arcades.
Hah, that would be the exact opposite of everything I’d want out of this.
I’m not really thrilled about these Arcade1Ups. I’m 6 foot and the machines are so small even with risers. They feel cheep and it doesn’t sit well. I miss the old full size machines. You can’t beat the experience of those heavy mounted guns on the original T2 machine.
I’m with you on that. I think it’s nice that people who may be cramped for space have an option, and it seems to be something parents enjoy playing with their kids on. The real relics like this T2 though? It’s real or bust for me.
@@ScarletSprites I remember back in the day how that T2 machine was just everywhere. Being a kid and trying to aim those crazy vibrating guns. It was just magic. So I deff agree.
When it comes to arcades, I 100% perfer the original. Arcade1up ruined them by making them LCD flatscreens when classic games were designed with CRT in mind.
Scarlet what about some of the new gun solutions for HDTVs like sindenlightgun?
I believe someone mentioned that that tech is being used for their Buck Hunter game already. I suspect that would be the same in this case. I’ll admit that I’d definitely like to try it out.
It's hard to beat the original arcade game in any capacity. Just the authenticity keeps it above everything else. Once you go there it's hard to go with something's less. Aside from that is there a company I can call to buy a Supergun and that also sells pcb boards. I had one in the early 90's which I mail ordered from California but at that time magazines were a thing where they would have phone numbers of companies that sold things like tthat. But nowadays it's hard to find arcade hardware anywhere. Extremely hard. Any companies you know where I can buy it? I remember wanting a Capcom CPS changer back in 93-94 as well but only was through Japan mail order. Never got one but i had neo- geo aes. Can you help??
The HAS is a Supergun that a lot of enthusiasts recommend and use. They’re on an order status I believe though and orders aren’t always open. I can also recommend Axunworks.com, he’s a one man show and it can take a while to get your item because they’re made to order, but he makes some really niche arcade products. Checkout his website, he is doing superguns too.
Thanks so much. Keep up the awesome arcade info.
When is T2 coming out?
You’re right , nobody who owns dozens of 1ups knows it isn’t a light gun in T2, but at them same time, they are the same people who do not care about how the original works. The guns seem like they have to detach because why the heck are the guns so low and pointing at the bottom of the bezel . If they are attached , My concern is the height of the guns from the ground. I’m guessing on the 1up I won’t be leaning on the cab and getting a nice straight on look. I might have to play on a stool. Haha. And if they aren’t attached , well then who ‘knows what angle I’ll be shooting at. In the end, what do I care, I’m not getting one anyway.
Exactly lol. I would rather play it on mame with a mouse if it can’t be replicated the right way. I would never consider buying these new 1up’s at this pricing.
Hah, you're not wrong. A few people have been talking about the mirror and sense of depth the original gives. That's kind of hard to do with this unless you want to make the cabinet deeper which everyone including A1Up seems highly opposed to. In the end the light gun tech may actually be needed to give any sense of aiming and not block the screen. I'll be really curious to see the reviews of this. If this were cheaper or they wanted to send me one (lol) I'd love to do a side by side full review comparison breakdown of pros and cons.
This one is a person favor of mine and it two player^^
Is Arcade1up providing you an arcade “Gaming” experience or an arcade “Museum” experience. I vote the later.
Oooh, that’s a loaded question. I think there are for sure people who may honestly answer the latter and that’s ok. Maybe people who don’t want to admit the latter as well. People often say their kids love jamming on these too so I’m sure it’s a mix of both.
hmmm...would be tempted, not going to lie.
I’m curious to see what else it comes with. I think this will be tempting for a lot of people:
$700 USD for 1 game cabinet!??? Its a hard decision.
That’s a very hefty price tag imo.
Is this gonna be the exact game as the arcade?
Light guns only work with CRT.
I guess the guns would be way too close to the screen if they were fixed. Anyway, I'm loving that Joe is becoming the go-to guy for Arcade1Up news ;)
Hahaha, I really want to try and merge “arcade gaming” into single videos and be inclusive about it. Sometimes that will be emulating, FPGA, or original hardware. This was a pretty impulsive video tbh, wasn’t planning this but it seemed to fit that mold.
Wow.. 😄
Is this going to just be a port from the genesis? That was a light gun game! Either way for $800 needs to have fixed guns and feedback for me!
Sounds like it will have recoil. Definitely interested in demoing this or seeing some hands on reviews.
I've played the T2 Arcade game about 7 years ago and I have never played it again, so no I would be buying this.
Yeah, I'd have to take a pass as well.
Gee, I do have to admit, that T2 cabinet from Arcade1Up does look really tempting Scarlet. But of course, you just beat original hardware that's for sure bro. 8^)
Anthony..
It definitely looks the part, that’s for sure. Tough to live up to original cabinet experience but we shall see. I’ll be interested in seeing those hands on reviews.
Yeah I'll definitely be buying this if/when it actually gets released. I'm curious as to what the other games will be. Revolution X is a good bet I'd say. But I love this game as a kid so I'll definitely be buying it the first day. I saw a leaked photo of Area 51 a while back so I was holding out for that one but I think if I had to choose, and I probably do because of space and can probably only have one shooter game, I would probably pick Terminator 2 over area 51.
Look how close the guns are to the screen. This is gonna be awkward to play. I know it’s not a light gun game but damn.
Or, it might be a light gun game. I definitely want to see some hands on gameplay reviews. Maybe they’ll send me one to compare against the original!? 🤔😂
@@ScarletSprites I think there is also a Killer Instinct cabinet coming… they will actually need to put a decent SBC to play that one.
...they are just too damn small...or perhaps im too big?
That’s ultimately my hangup as well. I could even get past the emulation piece if the cabinet was closer to standard size (at least height wise).
I like to see a review for it first before I pay that kind of money 💰
I would definitely wait on that as well.
They will never get this game right because the monitor was recessed to give the sense of depth(if I remember correctly). Too expensive for all the unknowns of that 1up cabinet.
You’re correct, the monitor faces upwards and reflects off of that same mirror I showed in the video. Virtua Cop uses the same trick.
This is an example of a must own cabinet for me. I’ve seen these at auction But most of the time they are out of reach. I got a Revolution X years ago for $1000. But Terminator 2 has always escaped my grasp. I’ve played this with emulation. But the original cabinet is a grail game for me and the only way to play in my opinion. I admit to owning a few arcade1ups. But I’ll be passing on their version of this game. If I can’t have the original then I’ll just do without.
I wanted to avoid going down that path in the video because it easily comes off as elitist, but I truly believe that this is just one of those games that isn’t easily reproduced. The cabinet, sound, recoil, and upside down monitor giving the artificial depth is just an “experience”. Not sure how else to really frame that. It’s subjective but feels factual. Kind of like how seeing a movie in theaters provided a different experience than when you bought the VHS tape.
There was a Rev X close to me for $300 that was fully working and I thought about it for far too long and it eventually sold. I kind of regret waiting on that one.
@@ScarletSprites I understand what you mean by not wanting to sound elitists. But you are right. This is a unique cabinet and you can’t replicate the features. That reminds me. I have a couple bulbs out on each of my light pcbs behind the glass. Gotta get on that. Finally acquired a working T2 last month after years of searching for one in working order.
$300 for a fully working Rev X is insanely cheap these days. I would have jumped on it. You could easily resell for a profit if the game doesn’t speak to you. Speaking of, I love having Steven Tyler yell at me to put more quarters in. Mine is on free play. But you know what I mean.
If only one game, then no. Hard enough buy with a 17 inch screen.
It will be interesting to see what else they include. Has to be some kind of shooting gallery or mini games included.
its plays like the Genesis version then... ok. I loved playing T2 on my Genesis back in the day
Wonder how this would work with a super gun? 🤔
Well, there’s only one way to find out.
@@ScarletSprites I will send you my address so you can mail me your T2 PCB. :-)
Looks cool, but too expensive. If it was $499 then I might consider picking one up.
Yeah I think $499 is the new “clearance” price, lol.
With the flimsy pedals and lack of feedback in Outrun that should have been a $400 unit. If this takes the same cheap parts approach I wouldn't buy it for more than that.
In the arcade, I remember the guns rocking and vibrating when you shot them. Is that true? If A1up doesn't do that, that was the MAIN DRAW of the experience.
Yes, there’s a pretty significant kick on the guns. It increases and decreases with the “health” of your weapon too. I think the A1Up listed recoil as a function. No telling if it syncs in any way with the gameplay yet though.
For me with the detached guns and small screen ruins the experience for me. They changed this game way too much. For what Arcade 1UP is now charging people are better off getting a iiRcade. It might be fun to revisit this game for free in MAME but I wouldn't pay money for a inferior experience.
That last line is a dagger. That’s really what this will come down to imo. I’d definitely need to see it in action before putting down $700.
I've been playing this on mame for years. I use a track ball and buttons, on my rec room masters 4 player deck. Honestly, I'll most likely pick this Cab up, as it just has Nostalgia overload, and will look awesome in the game room. Functional furniture, yeah most likely =-).
Great video!
Who doesn't want that Arnold side art as a showroom piece!?
@@ScarletSprites when is T2 coming out?
Its no MVSX
You know, the MVSX actually isn't bad for what it is. I haven't kept up with it but I believe it's pretty easy to add games to it now too.
@@ScarletSprites it has a great games list and its beautiful
They need yo sell these with chairs. Not for adult height when standing....
Yeah, I guess that’s why they are issuing the stools with each set. I actually own the MK and Champion Edition stools for the artwork. I might want that Big Blue one too 🤔.
Actually arcade pilled. If it had a mister core this would be a meme.
It'll be a hard pass for me as well, given the fact that from what it looks like. It looks like they are making the change to light guns and that alone is enough to push away from the purchase of this product. Nothing at all can replicate the experience from the original, not even mame can replicate the experience. I give them points for trying nonetheless.
Yeah, pretty much where I’m at. This seems like it’ll be very similar to the home console versions which can probably be had A LOT cheaper than this.
I'm going to be watching reviews on this carefully. The build quality of the guns is going to determine my level of interest. My biggest fear is that they'll put the gun tech in a shell that feels like it came from the dollar store, which will affect game play.
The quality of their control parts were ok when these were $300-400 cabinets, but at the $650-700 price point they should be using better quality clone parts.
I would agree, I personally wouldn’t pre-order or buy until I was able to play one. A few hands on reviews from different perspectives would be a bare minimum qualifier for me. I don’t think it can be overstated how critical the gun build and functionality is for this type of game.
Id prefer light gun to be honest
I could see it going either way, same with the opinion on that. It’s tough. I think my ocd would just keep telling me that it was wrong. But who knows, if it’s a hell of a lot of fun it’s easy to drown out those thoughts.
@@ScarletSprites they could of made it more original, but they probably decided to go with what makes most sense from a business standpoint.
Totally agree. As others mentioned they used the Sinden light gun tech on Buck Hunter.
Man I HATED this game when I was younger, only cause it ate my cash. It’s fun but hard. To be honest I did prefer Operation Wolf for potentiometer games, but only cause I was better at it.
Haha, fair. The truck seen is complete bullshit in this game, especially if you’re partner doesn’t know wtf they’re doing.
No thanks! Give me the original in refurbished shape
I definitely agree. I don’t know that I would love the change to light gun vs. mount even though it may technically be “better.”
Ugh oh what do we have here
I but T2 and Killer instinct Arcade1up Day 1
With the price of an original Killer Instinct board hovering around $1k it suddenly doesn’t seem like too bad of a price, lol.