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Ancestor Profile Clean Up on Ancestry.com
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 12 ส.ค. 2024
- Do you have ancestors in your family tree that have multiple names, birth, marriage, and death facts in their profiles that need to be cleaned up on Ancestry.com? In other words, do you have 4, 5, 6 or more birth facts for one ancestor… or multiple marriage facts for the same marriage? Do you know how to clean those up properly? Let me show you how to get your facts organized so you can focus on the real work of researching your family tree.
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0:00 Intro
2:24 Clean up Ancestors Profile Review
4:31 Fixing Names
4:56 Preferred & Alternate Names
6:35 Deleting a Name Fact
6:49 Adding a Source to a Name Fact
7:20 See Sources Attached to Facts
9:38 Clean Up Multiple Birth Facts
12:20 Changing an Alternate Fact to Preferred
13:37 Reviewing for duplicate children
14:05 Avoid Duplicated Ancestors from Member Trees
16:21 Merging a Fact from Member Tree
16:31 Now Research Begins
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This was a great reminder to go back to what I considered "settled" ancestors but have numerous duplicate sources. Thank you!
Glad it was helpful!
Using your Clean up tip helped me add sources to information I used from Pension files. I knew where the information came from I didn't know how to add the source to it until today. Thank you so much.
Glad I could help!
I never use the compare family trees feature at Ancestry because it's fraught with perils. Instead, I view the list of trees and examine the top few for sources I might need. If I find something useful, I click on that source and attach it to the appropriate person in my tree. No need to import trees or individuals from trees, just the sources.
Smart!
When you use other trees, you open yourself to bogas information. I eliminated this option from all my searches.
@@GenealogyTV a video showing how to do what Pat suggests might be a good idea!
I hear you.
Your videos are extremely helpful and your teaching style is great! Thank you!
Glad you like them Kathleen. Thank you!
OMGosh this was very informative, thanks. I always wanted to know if there was an easier way to correct those doubles or errors. Never knew I could do that with the sources. I have so much more to learn but don't have the time. I need to schedule a day to binge watch your videos.
Works for me. Feel free to watch a commercial or two to help me out. 🤞
Thanks for this topic. Always good to learn something new and helpful.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Exactly what I needed to hear today! Thanks.
Very insightful and helpful, Thank you
You’re welcome
Very useful cleanup tips. I am very wary about importing another's family tree; usually don't do it. But, I do look at them after first researching records. What I look for are DNA matches, other possible facts that I don't have yet and photos. I've even found family because we had identical or similar fam photos. I have found this to be very helpful.
Glad it was helpful! Sounds like we have a similar research strategy.
Very interesting and informative. One thing I find that I struggle with is that I was told that often more than one sibling can carry on a parents name with the high mortality rate at the time and also, people became parents at a much younger age. Sometimes I look at my tree and wonder what the relationship is. Another thing I realized is that the spelling of a name often comes down to the person who wrote it on the official document. My great-grandfather's name was Erie and I have found it written as Eric, Eriee, Eriec!
Thank you for all you do! I have learned so much from your channel in my ancestry journey!
Thank Mary. You might also consider the different ways of spelling the names where transcription errors on the clerks part. Many of these records are copies of the original records. And when they copy them over they may not have been able to understand what they were reading. Additional transcription errors can happen in the digital form, as volunteers are transcribing the various records. Just a thought. Forgive my typos, I’m using voice dictation.
I have been looking for a video on this topic for a few weeks now! Thank you! 😊
You are most welcome.
This channel is brilliant! Thank you!
Wow... thanks.
This is a great video. thanks. Learned some helpful tips!
Glad it was helpful. Thanks for the compliment.
Great information. Thanks for your video in this area.
Glad it was helpful!
All I want to say is thank you! I was getting very frustrated by this in my family timelines.! Your video help more than you'll ever know, thank you again!
Oh fantastic. You're very welcome!
Oh this was amazing! I just did this today…. Thank you so much for teachings this!
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Great videos, David fom New Zealnd. Many thanks.
This is so easy to understand and VERY helpful!
Thank you
Rather than approaching your changes to Mary Parks by deleting the name, I would highlight the name I want to eliminate, discern the source, click on the source, attribute the source to the name I want and remove the link to the name I want to delete. Once saved, the name I want to delete will be the one with no sourcing. I would add a Mollie Parks under Also Known As to facilitate locating her in the FTM index.
Thank you for the detailed 'step by step' directions on accomplishing this task. I also appreciate the explanations on why you are taking each step. This task will keep me busy for a long time, but such a positive for my tree!
You're very welcome! Thanks!
This is why you need to do research on your ancestor to make sure that you have the right one.
Agreed
I notice that her birth place is USA year 1773. I believe that USA didn't come into existence until 9 Sep 1776. Until then it was a colony.
Wow have i ever been doing it wrong. Thankyou. Thankyou. Thankyou. I have my work cut out for me now.
You're so welcome!
HI! While watching this episode, I was inspired to clean up my tree....and I kept thinking, "Gee, those names sound familiar." Well, lo and behold....I think I'm related to your husband! Mary Mollie (or Millie also on my tree) Parks, born 23 Aug 1773 in Wilkes is also MY 5th great-grandmother. :) I'd love to double -check with DNA. BTW, I really enjoy your channel.
Wow very cool. You probably have more information than I do. My husband’s DNA is up on ancestry.
This is such a great video to help clean up duplicate information. I liked what you said about targeting the research since there's not a lot of records for that time. In rural North Carolina. You said to "create a good research plan. Sit down and strategize what it is you want to find." I don't suppose you have a video on how to create a plan or strategy on what to look for? How to approach courthouses? Graveyards? Libraries from that county? Etc.
Well this coming Friday's video addresses some of your question. It's called 10 Steps to Better Research. Part of that is creating a plan.
Hi Connie; I’m happy to have found your extremely helpful site!
I started my family tree when I was a young teen and the elders were all still around.
Then joined ancestry.com and love it.
I always wondered how to do all these fix-ups of my own mistakes, so thank you.
BTW: does your Knox name originate in Scotland?
My ancestral family from there has plenty of Knox’s, from East Lothian.
They were farmers and farm labourers.
We’re all related somehow , aren’t we! 🌳
My tree on ancestry is Jones Family, in case you want to look up the Knox’s there.🏴
Hi Shelagh, Yes... my husband told me that as far as he knew they came from Scotland, but I have not done much research on that line and a very long time.
I usually work in FTM. And in earlier days I would quickly import hints into my tree, so my tree on Ancestry has lots of duplicate facts, etc. Thanks for the easy to follow directions on how to start cleaning up the mess I made.
Yep. My pleasure.
Where are you from inn a Hurd from ft scott is.
Steven where are you from I am a Hurd and from ft scott ks
@@debbiehurd1064 I'm originally from MO. My greatgrandparents are William F. Hurd and Cora Etta Hagan
What is very frustrating about Ancestry is that you can’t make consistent town, county, state facts. If you copy onto another tree years ago they’re still there and you can’t go through just places of birth, places of marriage, places of death or residence. I know County’s towns change boundaries change names, even disappear but there has to be an easy way to make things look consistent
As you type place names in a field, typically Ancestry will start to auto-populate locations. You'll want to use those in the dropdown menu every time as the industry is trying to standardize locations for better search functions. Same goes on FamilySearch.
Genealogy TV Yes I’ve been doing that forward since about two or three years ago but for the ones I started about 6 to 10 years ago they are all haphazard and not standard. And I have 50,000 people in my tree not an easy going through
My grandfather's (mom's dad) father's side is so difficult to do research on. They're from Puerto Rico and too many people with the same name and from the same town. Never done a difficult task lol
I've had some of these examples in several of my family trees, especially when it comes to marriages... (with proven images of marriage "registries") I'd be a bit careful when it comes to baptism, birth registries and marriages, because in many countries (at least for what I've been able to see) they registered in one or more churches (depending on the parents or to be wed partners) some as a form of license, others to recognize children, etc, it gets shadier with common names, and with nicknames that could belong to different names (sally, molly, mary, nancy, etc) during an specific time frame when the names in the birth/baptism would change to what they were known as or as what was in their marriage/death registries (e.g. in many catholic churches in the past, the first name would be the same as the godmother/godfather's name, then the real first name as middle name, and sometimes added a third name before the surname, not taking in consideration how many personas used the mother's maiden surname as middle name of their children), then add the nicknames...
All in all (imho) I think that as long as you have an image of an official document, not to delete the name but to add it as a plausable proof until you can't deny the information does not belong to your "mary/sally/polly" but to another person that happens to have the same name and married to someone with the same name (which I've encountered way too many times) lol, especially due to age.... many older men paid money to have their newly-wed wives appear older, many men said they were older to be able to go to war or practice some jobs [And as in Chinese culture, the birth year would be changed in many paper trails due to taboo, in order to keep the "soul" of the children safe, both in birth and in death]
Thank you by the way for all your interesting videos
Edit: I just had to point I paused to write the comments above at min 12ish so many things I said you may have already mentioned lol
When I get a name like "Mollie Mary Parks", I take the name "Mollie" and move it to "Also known as" in the +ADD part of FACTS. Only "Mary" shows as the name.
Are used to do that too. But I wanted the names group together at the top.
@@GenealogyTV Connie, we’re you missing finding people, hence your choice? I’m curious as I have a few Aka’s. In my case, however, they are last names.
I use the birth name as the primary name. All others, I now use another name fact and set it as an alternative name. That way the algorithm searches all variations.
I frequently find items to clean up when I look at someone's children and their parents birth's or deaths are listed multiple times. Especially those people I added many years ago from One Tree when I mistakenly thought all trees on Ancestry had done "real research". So many errors, mistakes in my tree - this presentation helped.
Good. That’s my goal. 😊
There's usually some sort of "Aka" fact for nicknames, rather than using "Alternative."
This was really informative. I really wish Ancestry had a duplicate checker. I know you can merge duplicates and that's great, but a way to check for them as some other sites have would be amazing. I have to take a day every other month to go through my entire list of 5,000+ people to check for any.
The easiest way I know of is to go to the tree view and do a search for the name... but that doesn't show all duplicates, just that name.
Thanks again for an informative video. My tree will be much better for it!
Glad it was helpful!
I am doing all the wrong stuff you just demonstrated. I am adding to much information and not concentrating on my Grandparent's first and then take it to the next level. So I think I will keep this tree as a mistake tree and make up the new one with the record's I do have for my Ancestors. Thank you Connie , btw, that is a great name ! Now it is time to write down a strategy to get the most out of the old to the new. Will that give me more options and answers or shod I just clean it up?.
I would use the one you have. I would not start over again with a new tree, it’s too much work. Start with yourself and work backwards and use tree tags to mark each ancestor as “verified” as you go. Take one profile at a time, clean it up, make it right and move on.
I was trying a clean up using your advice. In some cases it was brilliant. Not all of the fact boxes are on a white background with an edit button. Some (including duplicates) have a grey backgound and no edit button. Do you have any suggestions how to get around this, please?.
Hi Margaret... I may need to update this video since Ancestry is upgrading their website... and things are changing as I write. I'll add it to the list for future videos.
I've been asking ancestry to give us an "analyze" function that will result with all people with conflicts like these!!!
Thank you for this informative video. Is there a reason the surnames are in caps?
It's an old school thing that was common a long time ago, before computers, to help easily see what is a surname. When scanning journal transcripts and such, you'll see those surnames pop out of the documents when they are in all caps. It's really a holdover, but I like it so I continue to teach it.
Any info on fixing parents relationship that were NOT married but had a child out of wedlock? I keep getting my father as my mother's husband, but he never was. He was already married when I was born. 🤔
Have you seen this episode? In it I talk about changing the relationship. Fixing Ancestor Relationships on Ancestry.com
@@GenealogyTV Thanks so much for replying so quickly! I may have watched it, but I'm going to watch it again if I have!
The biggest frustration is that I am way more careful than anyone else searching for my ancestors or adding my family because they are a spouse of their family member. There is probably 20+ trees with incorrect information. I was adopted OUT of my birth family, and I know more about them than ANYONE who actually grew up in my family!!! 🤯🤌🤨🤌😫
I have to say you would have done better to have chosen a record with multiple census records containing duplicate alternate names, dates and places. The OWT example includes no data worth preserving, especially with two OWT sources. I'm sitting here shaking my head.
Fair enough.
How would you clean up extra Sources for example there are two 1901 Scotland Census one says it's from Ancestry and the other is Publisher is Online publication - Provo, UT?
Are you sure they are the exact same source? Or the same page? If they’re two different pages from the same source I would leave them alone as they are.
I prefer facts in my tree... Most people keep changing my facts though and it's frustrating.
I should probably watch every video before commenting and or asking questions. But what fun would that be?? In your initial page, you have surnames capitalized, why? Is there a benefit to that? I've always removed "nick names" of people and quotes. After you mentioned having alternate names, and adding to the algorithm I was thinking those may have a place.
Capitalizing a surname is an old school way of writing genealogy reports to help people skimming through to see the names easily... you know... before computers. I still do it as a practice so I know the birth name as opposed to a married name for women. I like it. It is still easy for me to read through my own files. There really is no need to do it today other than personal choice.
How woyld you clean up mistakes? I have two brothers in a family but one is really the brothers son. I imported the info years ago and now looking at each, more in depth. I cannot figure out how to correct this without deleting all the info I have on the Son and his downline. I have found a few of these in my tree. I really need help with this. Appreciate any advice Kim
Hi Kim. Don't delete anything just reassign them properly. Write down their names on a piece of paper how it should look. Then... Look at the two brothers (we'll call them Brother A and Brother B, Brother B is the one that is actually a son of Brother A)... To fix this go to one of the PARENT PROFILE (mother) of the current Brothers A&B. Edit, Edit Relationships and remove with the X the one that is really not their son (Brother B). Save. Keep reading.
Then go to the other parent profile (father of the brothers) and do the same thing disconnecting Brother B. Keep reading.
Then go into the profile of Brother A, Edit, Edit Relationships... add the original Brother B as a son to Brother A (remember to search for someone already in your tree, don't add a new one or you'll have duplicates of Brother B).
Hope that helps.
Thanks for the video! Helpful as always! Is there a way to link family members to sources from a members profile page? For example, if several family members appeared on a census together, clicking the census source on one of their profiles shows attachment to all of them. But sometimes a name is on the document, such as a ship manifest, but it is transcribed incorrectly (someone's name misspelled) & they don't show when adding the source. I have found myself having to search for the misspelled name then add to "existing member on tree". I can't find an easier way to add members to a source if their names don't show in the list when originally adding a source.
You an add a web link to the profile of each person that appears in the same record. Go to this video at 8:45 to see if this idea helps solve your problem. I demonstrate how to add those weblinks. th-cam.com/video/9PPaHCZjqIQ/w-d-xo.html
@@GenealogyTV Sorry for the delay! I didn't see that you responded. I'm still a bit confused. But I do want to try some of those coaching sessions that you have. I just need to get a webcam first 😂 So maybe we can discuss this further on my first session unless I have a more pressing issue by then. Thanks for the suggestion!
Have you signed up for coaching? Your user name does not tell me who you are here.
@@GenealogyTV Not yet. I don't have a webcam so I have to wait for that. But I plan to sign up as soon as I get one.
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Hi there,does the American Ancestry work the same as the UK, only I’m following you to get rid of duplicate files and I haven’t got the world tree down the middle ,just search Ancestry or is it because you’re doing family tree all over the world.Hope this makes sense to you. Many thanks Kath
It is my understanding from Ancestry that the dashboard may look different between the UK and US. I know that they typically roll out new services to the US first, then Canada and the UK next, then the world. It all depends on what part of the system you are in. I hope that helps.
Is it wrong to have several sources of different types to confirm a marriage, dob, name etc.?
Thanks
Randy
No... it is very common to have conflicting evidence. That is what evidence analysis and correlation is all about. Something I teach at the GTV Academy.
The video indicates that there is one. I don't see the handout. I know I have the right access since I see handouts for other videos.
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Hi Connie, since you mentioned removing nicknames from the primary name and making them an alternate name, I have a question. If a person went by their middle name, and thus all the records use the person's middle name rather than the first name (or they might have the first initial of the first name followed by the middle name), how should you handle this?
I use the full name as the primary name... and use Alternate names for other variations. You can use Also Known As for nicknames like Bubba or Shorty if that is what he was called, but the search engine does not use the AKA fact as searchable. So I'd stick with the Name facts and use the full name as Primary.
I dont know what Connie would say but you can always add the middle as an alternative. Same as with first initial then middle name. I have even done the same if you know a married name but cant add him (obituaries and Burials are often under married name). I want which ever tree you are using to find all records. Once you find the husband, you could then delete that alternative name.
After using Ancestry for decades now, I just can't get past the fact that having so many individual trees merely propagates bad information. I much prefer the FamilySearch approach. Documenting the same (or usually the same) personas on one tree is so much more useful.
If I want to add an alternate name, I've selected add fact - Also Known as- The name is added but it appears at the end of all of the other facts. On your screen, you have the "Alternate" name displaying at the top near the birth record. Same for Birth Records. How do I get the Alternate Name and/or Birth record to appear at the top of the list of facts? I must be missing something. Thanks in advance Dee
Add another name fact not aka.
Thanks. I will give it a try. Love all of your videos.
O did everything to start a relative finder account but it won't ket me sign in re some error on 503 and that's my area code ? Is this a scam ?
Not a scam. You need to have a FamilySearch account first, in order to use Relative Finder.
I've used and worked with ancestry trees for several decades now... I recently came upon a problem I never had previously. After trying to merge some duplicate ancestors, I somehow ended up with 2 wives for the same husband with the same names and birth and marriage dates. When I try deleting one, both delete... When I add to one... it adds to both!?! What have I done and how do I fix it? Thanks so much for your help!!!
Jay... where are you seeing the two wives? Which view are you in? I ask because, if you are in the family view tree... and there are cousin who married... you might see two sets of families in part of your tree. I would also check every link in both tree views to make sure you didn't accidentally link a sibling or child or someone that shouldn't be there.
@@GenealogyTV I tried fighting with it in the individual profile view and never checked the family view! I just went back to try and locate where I noticed the problem, because I didn't write it down, so I couldn't find it. (I've been working on too many limbs at once!) However, give me a day and I'll come up with exactly where it is unless it was just a glitch that fixed itself when I restarted my computer. Thanks!
Jay. Your email with your tree address got caught in my spam filter. I looked at it and deleted it for your privacy. At a glance, Sara Ellen Kenney and her hubby... their children are born before their parents. So that's not right, something is wrong there. I'd start with that association.
@@GenealogyTV Thanks!
My wife’s DNA says she’s 98% French that’s not reflected in my daughter’s results. My daughter matches mine how does that happen?
I typically don’t use ethnicity estimates at all for genealogy research. It’s interesting to look at but it provides very little real clues. Additionally it’s constantly changing when they update the sample set. Stick with the cousin matches that’s where the gold is.
I have so many questions! I will not ask them all today. When I use the Ancestry DNA ThruLines, some of my ancestors are only showing 1 DNA match with me, even though there are other DNA matches in line before them. For example, my dad's parents and his mother's parents all show 1 DNA match with me and it is my 2nd cousin. My 1st cousins, who both have done the DNA tests, do not show up as DNA matches in ThruLines. My 2nd cousin is the child of one of my 1st cousins, so I am confused as to why they don't show up in ThruLines.
Watch "Thrulines Explained" th-cam.com/video/o5LB0qcz7Pk/w-d-xo.html. if that does not help, I suggest that you sign up for one of my private Zoom coaching calls. That way I can really dig into what your situation is, look at your family history with you and see if I can help.
If that is something you’re interested in, there is more information about private coaching here. genealogytv.org/virtual-private-coaching/
@@GenealogyTV I think that the key was linking your DNA to your tree. My 2nd cousin has their tree linked to their DNA, but my 1st cousins either don't or haven't made trees. I will try the private coaching soon. Thanks a bunch for your help!
Why do you attach something as a source if it can’t point to a document or other type of evidence?
Something is better than nothing. A source could be a person, family lore, a privately held bible, a book in a library. Not everything is online at Ancestry.
Cant you just change the alternate to the original? Seems much easier than having to change the original manually and deleting the alternates.
Yes you can.
Please note, the source 'One World Tree' should NEVER be used as the (thankfully the now retired) program to 'collect and combine ancestors 'which was created by Ancestry many years ago had a flawed algorithm. It was notorious for combining persons without any real duplicate facts.
For instance, I have a relative from Hampshire England who I did not have the exact birth date for at the time and so I had entered 'abt. 1730' the 'One World Tree' PROGRAM NOT A PERSON decided that a person born in the USA in 1735 was the same person despite the fact my Hampshire-born relative had an exact marriage date and place in Hampshire, England and an exact burial date again in Hampshire, England.
By the time the 'One World Tree' program had finished, it had combined the two persons together and my relative from Hampshire England who had NEVER set foot out of his village area in Hampshire, England let alone set foot in the USA run like this...
Born in USA 1735 - married in Hampshire, England in 1755 - married in USA 1755 to a different woman. Then he had a number of children born in either Hampshire England or USA some even in the same years as each other - the death of MY Hampshire relative was replaced by the USA persons year which was some 20 years after he actually died in Hampshire England - and the USA parents were added to them and these were a combination of the USA father and mother!
The problem was that only for a VERY short time were we able to amend the combined tree and within a year we had the ability stopped from there on in we were NOT ABLE TO EDIT the info. I discovered my 5th ggp's info had been mangled too late to do anything about it after I found the correct baptism and there for the parents. this led people to pick either the Hampshire father or the USA father and then one of the mothers so we had 4 combinations of parents for the wrongly combined person!
Even today I run across trees which show the combined data set and they cite 'One World Tree'.
It took a long time for Ancestry to accept the program algorithm was faulty and stop it from populating further Krupt trees. Now thankfully due to long-term ancestry users like myself (I have been here from the beginning) campaigning for its removal it now has been removed. The only place you run across it is on people's trees as Ancestry has completely removed the program and the database it created.
Unfortunately, you DO NOT tell your listeners this fact. You should re-edit this video and mention that the 'One World Tree' is not a reliable source due to its faulty algorithm which is why ancestry COMPLETELY removed it as a tool to generate a data set which combined trees based more often than not simply on the names being the same!
Why have it as an alternate name and not an also known as?
Either one works.
Using an alternate name, shows in the name and gender area. If I recall the “also known as” fact shows toward the bottom.
Thank you for you reply. I thought maybe I was taught incorrectly, my mum always said 'you only have one birth name, birth date and you only die once'
Thanks for showing how this can happen. I've run across other trees with this and felt I could not trust any information on it because of the multiple entries. It looks sloppy. But I can see how it's hard to keep up and fix also with thousands of ancestors ! I'm entering my tree into ancestry by hand from my FTM computer program (really old). Kind of a do over. Hopefully will keep my duplicates and alternatives to a minimum, lol.
Ancestry may not like quotation marks, however, people have used more than one first name in their life, And their birth certificate sometimes doesn’t really help so you should be able to show all the alternative names or nicknames an ancestor or relative of an ancestor may have. And immigrants from other countries who Americanize their names need to be shown their original name and their Americanized name. I use original name and Americanized name in parentheses.
It would be better to show how to make a duplicate fact with more sources the primary fact, e.g. just open the fact and check the preferred box, then delete the fact with less sources that is duplicated.
Too much duplication of effort in this video for my work process, I learnt nothing new.
That’s fair
My only source to get into ancestry dot com is the android app. I don't own a PC and don't have the paid sub for ancestry, can you do a video on how to build a tree with these limits? 🙏
I'll keep it in mind.
@@GenealogyTV thank you dear, your videos are awesome by the way.