This is a staggering view into the scale of the Homeworld universe when you consider the raw size of something like the Khar-Selim and the incomprehensibly large derelicts in the background of the Karos Graveyard mission. The Homeworld galaxy is wonderfully ancient and vast; ripe for the Homeworld 3 pickings.
4:00 gotta be my favorite ship in the game because it was probably the front line capital ship of the Hiigaran navy during the first war with the Tidan, such iconic ships forgotten, left to drift in space for thousands of years until the hiigarans finally found them again in the Karos graveyard, I kinda wish they would let us salvage one of these and use it in our fleet
Most likely there would be no point whatsoever in salvaging those. These wrecks are ancient, and by the time the game's campaign is taking place, they are heaps of rust and scrap metal, falling apart over centuries of drifting there, and there's nothing left to restore. Even if there was an actual functional ship there, or one that's possible to reverse-engineer and fabricate anew, those ships are probably horrendously outdated. That heavy cruiser at 4:00 likely doesn't have ion cannons, and its numerous kinetic guns won't even put a dent in the armor of current capital ships. This is probably an equivalent of a world war 1 era tank being compared to something like an M1 Abrams.
Seriously I think a few of those designs were actually earlier concepts for the ships that ended up being introduced, so they introduced those slightly different concepts as wrecks in the graveyard :)
They were: They Kushan-style ones were the alpha/beta models either given a rusty re-texture or just dumped just out of bounds of the map as an Easter egg. Realistically, I could see them scanning the derelicts, going, "huh, this would make a nice light cruiser or carrier" or go "these ancient derelicts have superior XX e.g. targeting or guns. We advise commencing research on reverse-engineering them for our own ships" or something.
@@KimPossibleShockwave I think these kushan-esque derelicts are ancient hiigaran ships, they share such heavy similarities between the kushan ships, and the heavy triple turrets bear the same shape as the hiigaran battlecruiser's ion cannons, just with barrels. I'd like to think that these are hiigaran ships that, after their loss, were shipbroken and dumped here. correction: ion cannons of the kushan heavy cruiser, not the hiigaran battlecruiser.
@@KimPossibleShockwave A light battlecarrier would have been nice to salvage from the junkyard, where you could only build strike craft BUT you had similar weapons to a Destroyer.
@@beeb5872 Yeah. :) I mean, realistically the kushan would have "X-Commed" everything and anything they came across: We only see "light" touches of that in the campaign. Turanic Raider ion frigates? They would have made copies, even if they would've been inferior to taiidani designs until they acquired better technology from stealing said taiidani frigates or buying it from the bentusi. Missile Corvettes? Yoink! Probably a disposable module for the Light Corvette, or something, to make it more useful after you research Heavy Corvettes. Kadeshi swarmers? "They have better fuel systems than us. We can use those for our fighters. Yoink!" Oh man, imagine the multi-beam frigates? "Not only can we now reproduce the weapons systems of these ships, we can improve the capabilities of our older ion frigate designs." All in all, you'd have Karos Graveyard light cruisers with the heavy ion cannons of a heavy cruiser, and the later heavy cruiser to have the ion cannons of a Somtaaw dreadnought or a hiigaran battlecruiser!
@@KimPossibleShockwave I think given they would have had examples or records of the Higarran ships from the Khar-Toba Excavation and that their technology was largely scavenged from the shipwrecks they just needed to fill in the tech gaps and use ship designs that they had already studied and that were compatible with their production.
Karos Graveyard was one of the most epic moments in the original game. Even the map looked like a giant ship of some kind. That and the Nebula were really great levels.
Man, why couldn't they let us salvage the Heavy Cruiser as a High Risk/High Reward push with salvage corvettes into the Junkyard? I honestly prefer that Heavy Cruiser design way over what we got.
I think I might be alone in this, but the millenia old ships looking almost identical to the modern Kushan ships is kinda weird. Like they had to start over from scratch texhnologically, for the most part. Or did the Khar-Toba have a design schematic archive aboard that they modernized?
What about... ALL derelicts from both games? :D Where did you found that multigun corvette model? I found multigun vette derelict, but as typical, disabled model with standard derelict camo, not white like yours... :D And where did you found heavy vette, repair vette? I always though, that carrier and cruiser concepts are Hiigaran ships from the Great War, according to lore (informations, what Hiigaraans founnd in their old archive on Hiigara after returning from Exile).
Sorry for the late reply :) All models can be found within the HW1 Karos Graveyard, however, some of them are out of bounds and therefore you can't reach them. They however can be extracted from the game :)
This version of the HC is so much better than either of the ones in the actual game. Dang... Looks much more in-line with what we see develop into the BC from HW2
I recall that I was able to activate the derelicts, this in the original game... somehow the remastered version seems to lack the option to activate the derelicts, I was able to activate them by attacking them repeatedly, at one point they would start counterattacking, the remastered version seems to have skiped the option, and that takes away a good chunk of the fun and strategy, the power that one gained by capturing some derelicts.... one was able to put most of the fleet in derelict mode when the ships were outside of sensor range or was it just line of sight, I cant recall, one was able to capture some cool tech like a derelict repair bay and other gizmos like motion detectors, for some reason they removed this from the remastered, or I may be wrong an the option may still be in there, I actually spent some good time trying to do the activation thing, so to capture the so mentioned derelicts... but nothing interesting came from the effort... because of this ... original home world may be superior to later versions... yet it had a few bugs that would brake the game
I remember while playing through the level in the remastered version my fleet would sometimes attack the carriers and heavy cruisers for no reason. First time I noticed them they all had health bars but they didn't do anything even when your fleet would attack. You couldn't even tell your fleet to attack them they just would after or during fighting an autogun (though when they attacked afterwards it was for less than a minute). I had them all on aggressive so that might be why but after the auto gun was destroyed they'd just ignore them afterwards. I even tried to salvage some but it didn't work.
(a mostly accepted fan theory,) Most ships in the Karis graveyard in hw1 belong to the defeated higarian empire after they were exiled. Their ships were left to rot by the taiidan
Can somebody know the derelict of the ship in hw 2 karos graveyard when you must obtain the dreadnaught? First There is an agammemnom and second some unknown ship in the center of the map. Do anybody knows what is it or its a mystery?
@@Axatar at this video th-cam.com/video/DBooU5PHCKc/w-d-xo.html if you pause it at 7:58 you can see some kind of mothership with two engines in the back. I think its bigger than the pride of hiigara
@@enthouendhut it reminds me of kushan heavy cruiser but like 10 times bigger. And its sad that they didnt put the name in the File of the model Just like an easter Egg. I love those mystery races that are not explained such as T Mat and their planet killers
@@viktormatilcak25 I’ll need to recheck and go through everything but iirc in the diagram of the progenitor mothership it incorporated such a piece like that (the bridge being an example) it could be a scrapped ship destroyed and scaled up like the super carrier was
That heavy cruiser with the frontal triple turrets looks badass...
Looks almost like something akin to the Taiidan cruiser, just an earlier iteration.
Kushan Heavy Cruiser: *clears throat*
lol Shame that the stats are only six far less powerful single barrel mass driver turrets and two far less powerful dual barrel ion cannons.
this ship was probably the front line Higaran warship from the first war with the Tidan
This is a staggering view into the scale of the Homeworld universe when you consider the raw size of something like the Khar-Selim and the incomprehensibly large derelicts in the background of the Karos Graveyard mission. The Homeworld galaxy is wonderfully ancient and vast; ripe for the Homeworld 3 pickings.
Too bad they fucked it up.
@@ramonsterns *sigh* yeeeaahhh...
"Huh, that's a lot of old ju...hold on, is that a carrier?"
*salvage teams away*
GAme: Joke's on you, you can't salvage that carrier, because I don't want you to.
@@shadekerensky3691 *sad scavenger noises*
Few games epitomize how desolate and spooky deep space is other than Homeworld, even the ambient sounds of the map drive that home.
4:00 gotta be my favorite ship in the game because it was probably the front line capital ship of the Hiigaran navy during the first war with the Tidan, such iconic ships forgotten, left to drift in space for thousands of years until the hiigarans finally found them again in the Karos graveyard, I kinda wish they would let us salvage one of these and use it in our fleet
Most likely there would be no point whatsoever in salvaging those. These wrecks are ancient, and by the time the game's campaign is taking place, they are heaps of rust and scrap metal, falling apart over centuries of drifting there, and there's nothing left to restore.
Even if there was an actual functional ship there, or one that's possible to reverse-engineer and fabricate anew, those ships are probably horrendously outdated. That heavy cruiser at 4:00 likely doesn't have ion cannons, and its numerous kinetic guns won't even put a dent in the armor of current capital ships. This is probably an equivalent of a world war 1 era tank being compared to something like an M1 Abrams.
Seriously I think a few of those designs were actually earlier concepts for the ships that ended up being introduced, so they introduced those slightly different concepts as wrecks in the graveyard :)
They were: They Kushan-style ones were the alpha/beta models either given a rusty re-texture or just dumped just out of bounds of the map as an Easter egg.
Realistically, I could see them scanning the derelicts, going, "huh, this would make a nice light cruiser or carrier" or go "these ancient derelicts have superior XX e.g. targeting or guns. We advise commencing research on reverse-engineering them for our own ships" or something.
@@KimPossibleShockwave I think these kushan-esque derelicts are ancient hiigaran ships, they share such heavy similarities between the kushan ships, and the heavy triple turrets bear the same shape as the hiigaran battlecruiser's ion cannons, just with barrels. I'd like to think that these are hiigaran ships that, after their loss, were shipbroken and dumped here.
correction: ion cannons of the kushan heavy cruiser, not the hiigaran battlecruiser.
@@KimPossibleShockwave A light battlecarrier would have been nice to salvage from the junkyard, where you could only build strike craft BUT you had similar weapons to a Destroyer.
@@beeb5872 Yeah. :) I mean, realistically the kushan would have "X-Commed" everything and anything they came across: We only see "light" touches of that in the campaign.
Turanic Raider ion frigates? They would have made copies, even if they would've been inferior to taiidani designs until they acquired better technology from stealing said taiidani frigates or buying it from the bentusi.
Missile Corvettes? Yoink! Probably a disposable module for the Light Corvette, or something, to make it more useful after you research Heavy Corvettes.
Kadeshi swarmers? "They have better fuel systems than us. We can use those for our fighters. Yoink!"
Oh man, imagine the multi-beam frigates? "Not only can we now reproduce the weapons systems of these ships, we can improve the capabilities of our older ion frigate designs."
All in all, you'd have Karos Graveyard light cruisers with the heavy ion cannons of a heavy cruiser, and the later heavy cruiser to have the ion cannons of a Somtaaw dreadnought or a hiigaran battlecruiser!
@@KimPossibleShockwave I think given they would have had examples or records of the Higarran ships from the Khar-Toba Excavation and that their technology was largely scavenged from the shipwrecks they just needed to fill in the tech gaps and use ship designs that they had already studied and that were compatible with their production.
What's interesting is that the carrier can be found in the Kadeshi Nebula
Perhaps part of the ancient higarian navy snuck along with the exiles?
or maybe it was fitted into the tidan navy and sent into the nebula where it would be salvaged by the kadeshi
Karos Graveyard was one of the most epic moments in the original game. Even the map looked like a giant ship of some kind. That and the Nebula were really great levels.
some of these ships were repainted and polished in the HW Complex mod.
Man, why couldn't they let us salvage the Heavy Cruiser as a High Risk/High Reward push with salvage corvettes into the Junkyard? I honestly prefer that Heavy Cruiser design way over what we got.
Yes!!! You legend! You actually did it! Thanks dude!
The multigun corvette and heavy cruiser looks more interesting than their modern variants
Especially the Heavy Cruiser.
I want this creepy music to be played during my wedding ceremony
Why? Would your wedding be considered your death? 😂
@@Axatar you are invited to my deat- I mean, wedding🤣
everytime i see a bachelor party, i see the end of a man :D
I think I might be alone in this, but the millenia old ships looking almost identical to the modern Kushan ships is kinda weird.
Like they had to start over from scratch texhnologically, for the most part.
Or did the Khar-Toba have a design schematic archive aboard that they modernized?
What about... ALL derelicts from both games? :D
Where did you found that multigun corvette model? I found multigun vette derelict, but as typical, disabled model with standard derelict camo, not white like yours... :D
And where did you found heavy vette, repair vette?
I always though, that carrier and cruiser concepts are Hiigaran ships from the Great War, according to lore (informations, what Hiigaraans founnd in their old archive on Hiigara after returning from Exile).
Sorry for the late reply :)
All models can be found within the HW1 Karos Graveyard, however, some of them are out of bounds and therefore you can't reach them.
They however can be extracted from the game :)
I don’t suppose you have the 3d models for the ships on a downloadable file somewhere for printing purposes do you?
If I remember correctly most of these were concept designs that they decided not to use for the two factions.
The Junkyard gave me the same vibes as the Tower of Babel in Xenogears...
Everything is so decrepit yet still somehow looks functional.
No mention of the destroyed niven ring?
This version of the HC is so much better than either of the ones in the actual game. Dang... Looks much more in-line with what we see develop into the BC from HW2
So who towed the Khar Selim all the way from the Kharak system to the Karos Graveyard? The plot thickens.
he knows too much, "suicide" him!
I recall that I was able to activate the derelicts, this in the original game... somehow the remastered version seems to lack the option to activate the derelicts, I was able to activate them by attacking them repeatedly, at one point they would start counterattacking, the remastered version seems to have skiped the option, and that takes away a good chunk of the fun and strategy, the power that one gained by capturing some derelicts.... one was able to put most of the fleet in derelict mode when the ships were outside of sensor range or was it just line of sight, I cant recall, one was able to capture some cool tech like a derelict repair bay and other gizmos like motion detectors, for some reason they removed this from the remastered, or I may be wrong an the option may still be in there, I actually spent some good time trying to do the activation thing, so to capture the so mentioned derelicts... but nothing interesting came from the effort... because of this ... original home world may be superior to later versions... yet it had a few bugs that would brake the game
I remember while playing through the level in the remastered version my fleet would sometimes attack the carriers and heavy cruisers for no reason. First time I noticed them they all had health bars but they didn't do anything even when your fleet would attack. You couldn't even tell your fleet to attack them they just would after or during fighting an autogun (though when they attacked afterwards it was for less than a minute). I had them all on aggressive so that might be why but after the auto gun was destroyed they'd just ignore them afterwards. I even tried to salvage some but it didn't work.
If only I could salvage the 'Junkyard Dawg' = the most powerful ship in the Homeworld 1 universe...
Seriously how did you make these?
The Multi-gun Corvette doesn't look like it's a derelict, and it doesn't officially look like that in the fleet. Hmm...
most derelicts were early ship concepts that were eventually scrapped
@@Axatar, "most"? I knew some were, like the Agamemnon, the Vaygr Supercarrier, which appears as Debris in HW2 mission 8.
@@FilipRanogajec yes wrecks from hw2, but also derelicts from hw1 karos graveyard, some of them being out of bounds
@@Axatar, I did notice some, I admit. Crazy stuff.
Why the Khar Selim is there ? And others Kushan vessels. That's disturbing.
They were beta Kushan vessels that were cut from the final game :)
You'll notice them in the Karos Graveyard of HW2 at least in the remaster version.
(a mostly accepted fan theory,) Most ships in the Karis graveyard in hw1 belong to the defeated higarian empire after they were exiled. Their ships were left to rot by the taiidan
@@dalesheen1816 That's unlikely because the Kushan developed those designs during the campaign, long after the exile.
@@KRaikkonenSF I'm pretty sure its cannon that these are old hiigaran ships from the war that lead to the exile
What is the music title?
I used the Karos Graveyard theme from HW1
th-cam.com/video/jQe5bic8RcY/w-d-xo.html
What...?! OY !!!
Where's my favourite ship, the 'Junkyard Dawg' ?!
Its in another video (:
i'd find a video on cut content, or earlier versions of the game interesting
Check this out :)
th-cam.com/video/zXGUU611ZPA/w-d-xo.html
@@Axatar oh yeah... this trailer is still giving me goosebumps. And damn..that music, main scheme was used later in Bentusi Arrive :D
Why do the scrapped ships look cooler than the ones we get in the game? :/
🌍🌍🌍📡📡📡✨✨✨👍👍👍
Can somebody know the derelict of the ship in hw 2 karos graveyard when you must obtain the dreadnaught? First There is an agammemnom and second some unknown ship in the center of the map. Do anybody knows what is it or its a mystery?
I don't remember this ship? you have any screen shots?
@@Axatar at this video th-cam.com/video/DBooU5PHCKc/w-d-xo.html if you pause it at 7:58 you can see some kind of
mothership with two engines in the back. I think its bigger than the pride of hiigara
@@viktormatilcak25
O-yea... too bad it stops at the middle, whilst the front section is nowhere to be found.
@@enthouendhut it reminds me of kushan heavy cruiser but like 10 times bigger. And its sad that they didnt put the name in the File of the model Just like an easter Egg. I love those mystery races that are not explained such as T Mat and their planet killers
@@viktormatilcak25 I’ll need to recheck and go through everything but iirc in the diagram of the progenitor mothership it incorporated such a piece like that (the bridge being an example) it could be a scrapped ship destroyed and scaled up like the super carrier was
Now do the debis in the background
They're part of the skyboxes