Hahaha my man! I like to get myself 10 mags for my AR and 10 mags for my Glock 34 every year on my birthday. It’s not that expensive to do it once a year
5:05 “260 dollars” Me: *aggressively spits out mouthful of beer* “Where the f*** can I get 1,000 rounds of 5.56 for 260 dollars?!?! I’m buying it right now!!” *sees he’s talking about 9mm* “Oh”
(For grid down/ civil war/ apocalypse event) I was once told that for every round you expect to send at someone, you should expect one coming back at you. Now extrapolate that into the 100s or 1000s of rounds, and then calculate your odds of surviving that many gunfights. Food for thought.
Interesting and great food for thought. I personally don’t want to have any conflicts if things get chaotic, and want to avoid it at all costs. I’m not an expert at gun fighting (never been in one) but I’m sure there is a method to the madness. Great comment!
@@youngmonkey2504 Oh, I agree 100%. I've been stocking up for over a decade. Sure hope I never have to bugout, because I'm not lugging hundreds of pounds of ammo with me! LOL
Concrete Cowboy, solid videos from you Brother. Keep them coming! As some others have said, I have the ammo as well as components for reloading. One of the things that I will stress is make sure to store you shtf stockpile appropriately. I use desiccant packets in my sealed ammo cans as well as keeping a consistent temp. Again, thanks for dedicating your knowledge to everyone!
A standard AR-15 can last about 7500 rounds before it requires a complete rebuild. If you own just a single AR, you dont _"need"_ more ammo than that. Having a spare complete upper receiver, (along with a rebuild kit for the lower receiver), you will be good to go for another 7500 rounds. A lower receiver usually lasts about 30,000 rounds before it starts to fail the gauge inspection. For 30k rounds, you will need> 1: 1 complete AR-15 Rifle. 2: 3 complete spare uppers. 3: 3 lower receiver rebuild kits. You will also need spare optics and spare accessories - (weapon lights, laser aimers, etc) along with spare batteries, and spare furniture pieces. And some small miscellaneous items (detents and detent springs, roll pins, extractor kits, ejector kits, firing pins, buffer tubes, end plates, castle nuts & gas tubes). If you need more than 30,000 rounds you are probably up to your eyeballs in the apocalypse and may God have mercy on your soul.
We carried 8 mags with 1 in the rifle when deployed for our M4s. None of us had pistols only officers and the medics had those. Buy as many mags as possible. They break and get damaged with hard use. You could lose them running or other things could happen. Stockpile the calibers that you would be using if on the run. (Meaning what you would carry.) I have a couple dozen different caliber rifles and pistols. I dont put my money into crazy off the wall calibers that I wont be carrying or are hard to find. For me its 556 and 9mm/45acp. My older cz, makarov, P90, etc that take a specialized caliber thats crazy expensive I will buy ammo when I want to shoot. Another point, use common calibers and rifles that you would find out there. AK, AR15, Glocks, 1911, Sig, etc. Battlefield pickups are a real thing. Dont go out there with something that takes proprietary mags that if you lose or get damaged cant be replaced. Buy a rifle of your choice and dont worry about optics right away. If you can get them..then great. When I first went into the Army we didnt have Eotechs or Trijicons and had to use iron sights. The stock sights are viable to use and in some cases will be better. Buy a rifle and a pistol then 500-100 round of ammo. I go to the gun store every couple weeks and buy a couple mags for pistols and rifles. ($50-75) That is how you stock pile slowly. If you can buy a bunch off the jump then great. A shotgun is probably another overlooked weapon if you can get it. Grab a pump remington or mossberg used for around $200 and that will get you started. A shotgun is very versatile because of the different types of ammo it can use. The main thing is dont panic buy and use all your money on guns. There are other things to buy as well to keep you safe.
I would go to my lgs once a week to slowly build up my stockpile like you suggested. The only problem is that they mark up their prices so much higher than what you can find online. I understand they have to make money, but it's kinda crazy even at the big box stores. I wouldn't mind if it was 1 to 5 cents more per round, but in most cases it's closer to 10 cents or more difference. And buying in bulk sucks because you have to come up with over $500 for rifle ammo all at once.
I get where you’re coming from. But once you account for shipping online. The cents per round usually equates to the same amount. At a local store they account for not having to ship. But I do find some pretty crazy deals online sometimes that I absolutely attack
@@rico989 oh yeah I look at ammo seek religiously. Comparing my lgs and even a nearby Cabela's for PMC m855 to stuff you can find online is crazy. It's like 52cpr online after tax with free shipping, lgs and Cabela's are almost 75cpr after tax
My issue is I have a lot of fmj ammo in 223/556 and 9mm. But not a ton of defensive rounds on rifle (1k green tips and some loose soft points), and maybe couple hundred match grade. As far as hollow points for 9mm im decent one. .308 have 300 rounds of soft points. Imho long range is where I will try to find myself as cqb is a death wish. Great video man! Think it is also important, if you have the mags... keep them loaded at all times.
In a rifle round it really doesn’t matter if it’s FMJ or hollow point the damage will be devastating. FMJ will also be better for piercing armor. Hollow point is obviously “better” at wound cavity but with rifle speeds you’ll get crazy damage either way.
Just use the 55 fmj rounds to train with from now on and start to stockpile 77 grain OTM and you will be good to go. Hold onto those green tip rounds bc they are useful for situations where barriers are blocking the target. They also perform a lot better than most people think they do.
Solid S2 here...another item, and it's relatively cheap, to augment your load out is a bandolier; pull the bottom string and viola, you just increased your mag count by four.
Sound advice. Greatly appreciated. I often speak of how my wife was annoyed at my constant 'Winchester white box' purchases at Walmart. Every time I walked by the counter I picked up a box of 9mm and .22lr at 9.98 a box. Who's giggling now? :)
Excellent video! First video I have seen of yours, very well done. I couldn't smash that like and subscribe button fast enough. I am definitely sharing your video with my brothers. Keep yup the good work!
Ye, I keep all my ammo in .50 cal ammo cans and have 2 to fit 1k rounds of 5.56 in each can so when I run out of one I then know I need to place an order for another 1k rds. Same thing for 9mm except 2k can fit in 1 can so 4k rds total for 9mm! I learned my lesson too from 2020!
Great video with food for thought. Some are complaining they dont have 'defensive rounds' Hmmm. as long as the round goes bang when I pull the trigger Im happy. Something to think about, 99% of us wont have a medevac bird to extract us or a whole surgical team waiting if we get hit. This wont be Call of Duty and we're not assaulting a position with a team we have trained with. We need to avoid contact and break contact if necessary. Have lots of ammo to defend yours elf and loved ones. Stay under the radar.
Many ammo dealers allow Sezzle or Affirm or Afterpay to finance ammo Purchases. I have gone from buying 5 boxes at a time to 500-1000 rounds at a time. Makes it less painful to stock up.
For what is worth I’ve told my group in the short term your need 330 rounds for a single combat load of up to 11 mags Longer term 660 We’ve been prepping for awhile so we all are in the thousands now If you survive through using 2 combat loads you are doing incredibly well
Every time I ruck march I realize how unrealistic this is For most folks I would say a pistol and a few magazines. Why? Because they aren’t in combat shape. And how likely are we to be rucking around full kit w/ battle rifle in hand. It’s America what happens in Maine doesn’t affect Kansas. Better off focusing on the basic and training. Most SHTf situations that happen a person has there CCW on them and the rifle is gets left home or the truck. It’s a fantasy thinking people are gonna put down their beer. Gear up and be ready. Not to mention your enemy combatant will likely have the same caliber as you. Take there’s.
My rule of thumb is every time I go to the gun store either to browse or buy parts I always leave with 1-2 magazines or 1-2 boxes of ammo that’s just me especially if your on a budget
In SHTF situation the first you thing anyone would do is hunker down in place. your home will initially be your best chance for survival. Obviously not for a tsunami or storm threat but im talking about civil unrest or martial laws scenario. Having to grab and go is a last ditch effort that you want to avoid, so the real question is not how much ammo can you carry, its how much water can you carry...
I stopped stockpiling loaded ammo. Now I stockpile components. I measure said stockpile in terms of “years of matches”. I’m rated A/M with a rifle and now starting my handgun journey in D. For a rifle I “only” need 1.5k- 2k a year.
I really feel bad for people that have to buy factory ammo. I’ve been reloading for 10 years and started prior to all of the Covid shortages. The irony is that I can load a 75/77 grain 5.56 for .28, but loading 9mm rounds still costs about .21. It’s just the breakdown of the components and the fact that primers are at best .07 each. Can’t get around that. But your video is good advice for those who don’t reload.
@ It’s definitely an investment, and it becomes a sickness. I’ll have to watch the Walter channel. There’s also Johnny’s reloading bench, who did great videos but has since stopped posting. But I modeled his Black Hills loads and pretty much have the same results. Good Luck
Have you gotten into casting your own bullets? I am able to bring 9mm down to .13 per round with that. Pre-Covid I was able to do it for .06! Definitely helps when you're a high-volume shooter.
@ I kind of lucked out last year with a LGS. They were liquidating pound size powder. I was getting PP Varmint, Win 296, H110, W748, and BLC2 for 35 a pound. My bank account suffered for a few months but I loaded up with enough for quite a few years. Other than that, i try to find no hazmat sales and buy 8# qty of things like A2520. That works out to around 40 a pound. I can’t justify buying the “great” powders like Varget or H4350 for 65 plus a pound so I’m using what works for a variety of calibers.
depends on your circumstance and plan. In a city an likely will have to evacuate? 7 mags and enough ammo for to reload them. In the country or in a secure location? Whatever you can stuff into your house.
If you know you are in a must bug out kind of place, know where you are going to bug out to; then 1,000rds is a really small box, and any real friend would gladly let you put a few someplace on their farm.
Depends. Assuming you have a 5.56 AR, a 9mm pistol, and a 12 gauge, then a decent supply would be 2,000 for your primary rifle, 1,000 for pistol, and at least 750 for the 12 (500 00-buck and 250 slugs). Ammo is a commodity that you'll be able to trade, so stockpiling "too much" isn't really an issue. This assumes you have a community of like-minded (and skilled) people who also want to survive the SHTF, and you have plenty of other necessities.
Let's say SHTF is a 5 year period. You'll have at least one monthly encounter of fight and flight. The more ammo you have the higher the chance you have of making it to the next challenge. 300 rounds a month minimum, ~3600 rounds a year, roughly 20000 rounds to survive SHTF scenario. If you're just talking about serious LA/BLM/Detroit 67 rioting for a month at most - min. 5000 rounds.
PS - If the new administration relaxes ammo import rules (and firearm import rules), I HIGHLY recommend buying some to stash away. I recall buying steel core, brass cased ammo for the AK for around $75 per 1,000 in the early 1990's. Before Clinton was in office, 7.62x39 could be had for $49 a 1,000 round case. I reloaded 5.56 until the early 90's, but I recall it being about $180 a 1,000 when I began purchasing by the case. Point being, stock up when prices drop. Over time, ammo outpaces inflation - particularly when the halls of power are filled with those hostile to the 2A. Set it aside in a closet (or similar) where you have a stable environment.
Personally I am not shooting matches or long range therefore I buy 55 grain .223 or 5.56 for training (7000 rounds). It is still lethal for SHTF! I do have a few hundred 62 & 77 grain defensive or match (buying more 62 gr). I shoot more 9mm FMJ as I’m handgun focused in training currently (7000+) with 600+ JHP’s (need more)!
A "combat load" is usually 6 magazines +1 in the gun. If you have a reload, say a 6-mag bandolier, or 2 of the M855 bandoliers with the strings pulled, most people are looking at 13-15 mags total. Most AR mags are ~1lb. So ~15lb weight budget. Pistol... 3 mags + 1 in the gun, and say 2bx of 50? Grand total that's ~450 rounds of 5.56, and 161 (17rd mags) of 9mm. I usually like to keep plenty of ammo so I can go shoot matches and train, It's kinda funny you point out "you don't shoot that much in matches" I've done a few recently, where I shot less than 20 rounds the whole 3 hour match. I think what some people may not appreciate is that ammo stockpile is your gift to future you. I was digging around looking for some camping gear and found another stash of ammo I bought just as things were going pear shaped for the coof. Thanks 2020 me! There are a lot of strategies out there, one thing I suggest is finding some decent 9mm hollowpoints and stashing those. Come SHTF, I'd rather not be carrying ball ammo.
Forward force projection in shtf is undoubtedly important and a well stocked ammo locker being a integral component. As a comment posted here mentioned a house fire. This is why I have the largest ABC fire extinguisher’s available to the public in every room of my house. Now everyone’s trained and can effectively use one, this was cheaper than another high dollar AR build. Clint Smith has some good content on this subject.
I have been buying guns and ammo since the 80's.. and old schoolers like myself at some point have probably all gone through trying to cut down and minimize on the amount of different calibers that you own, shoot, reload and stockpile for at some point along the way. Many new gun owners make that mistake of trying to own a firearm in every single caliber out there.. and that is NOT the key to having a well rounded collection and you just end up with having a big collection of firearms most of which you dont ever shoot because you can never find ammo or simply because they are just not among your top favorite firearms to shoot - so then you find yourself asking the question.. "why do I even own it.. if I never ever shoot it?.. and whenever I do shoot it.. I find myself wanting to shoot something else that I enjoy more" - Safe Queens that just sit in the safe and look pretty are useless.. stockpile ammo for the firearms that you shoot and train with! I have a 8mm Mauser.. it sits in my safe and does absolutely nothing.. it is the only firearm that I own in 8mm.. and it is the last gun I would ever grab if I heard a bump in the night and the last gun I would ever want in a SHTF situation - I have only a few boxes of ammo for it.. and I rarely ever shoot it. Do I really need this firearm? - only for collection purposes. Do I need to stockpile 10,000 rounds for it? - Hell no! If you have a quality AR in 5.56x45/.223.. do you really need to get one in .224 Valkyrie and 6.5 Grendel and .300 BlkOut and 7.62x39 and 350 Legend and 450 Bushmaster and 50 Beowulf and 458 Socom and 6 Arc.. and every other caliber that can be found in the AR platform? - Trying to keep and maintain a stockpile of a few 1000 rounds of each of those calibers will cost you a small fortune! (and kinda makes no sense especially when some of those calibers have very similar ballistic results anyways!) It is much better In my opinion to have different rifles in different configurations and barrel lengths that all serve different purposes and that all share the same common caliber.. than to have a bunch of different rifles that all shoot different calibers - for example an AR-10 and a Scar 17 and a KelTec RDB Bullpup and a Ruger American bolt action and a Remington 7600 pump action are all 5 very different firearms yet can ALL share the same .308 ammo.. making thing a lot easier on that new collector who might be on a budget while trying to build up his collection - buying 10,000 rounds of bulk 308 ammo compared to buying 2000 rounds of 5 different types of ammo could end up costing you TWICE as much for a 10,000 round stockpile. If you are RICH and can afford to buy anything and everything that you see and want.. then totally IGNORE every single word that I wrote above.. and continue doing your thing playa! C.R.E.A.M. - and if you got it like that.. you got it like that! (just leave a little something on the shelves for the rest of us poorer folks!) Quality over Quantity is still always the key. Salute!
Having too many calibers can be counterproductive to achieving this goal. I had to get rid of some calibers. Good video, first time here, I will subscribe.
If you had to leave your location for whatever reason how much could you carry. This is especially true for those who live in built up areas. A load out bag with all of your kit, medical, and ammo is essential. Not to mention food and water. This is so complex.
Definitely a hard question to answer, because we will never know what the right answer is. A good bag will help assist in carrying more gear without stressing the body too much
True, what you can carry definitely limits what you can carry, if you need to bug out; however, for the vast majority of real world scenarios, you're probably better staying home. So if you do have to GTFO, take what you can carry; however, that shouldn't be the limiting factor of what you stockpile. Or, if you KNOW you are in a bad place to hole up and that you would bug out to so-and-so's farm, then put your stockpile in a storage unit near there, or maybe your friend will let you store some ammo at their place.
Reloading should also not be overlooked. It depends on the caliber, but generally speaking a brand new load (buying brass powder primers and projectiles) can tend to be cheaper than classic ammo. If your reloading ammo, then I’ve found it to be roughly half as much per round. Often times brass is the most expensive part of ammo. It could also be a good opportunity to invest in good, and long lasting brass for better results than the cheapest ball ammo. Also, the ability to reload ammo gives you more options when there are supply shortages (for one reason or another) and reloading supplies are generally less restricted than regular ammo.
@@ConcreteCowboyx It for sure can be. you can spend an almost infinite amount of money on the nicest progressive press with all the bell and whistles. But you can also get a $200 Hornady lock n load, some cheap dies, a priming tool, a cheap scale and maybe a resizing drill bit. With all of this, you might be approaching a little over $300. This difference of this would be made up very quickly on the scale of thousands of rounds. Especially with something like 5.56 where you might be saving upwards of 20 cents a round.
I find for 9mm and 223, it's not worth it money wise. I stopped reloading for those, except for 9mm for my open class competition pistol, cause I've dialed those in to be the softest shooting for competition. When I did the math on those I was maybe saving 1c per round, maybe; compared to buying in bulk. Now for a lot of less popular calibers, and especially larger calibers, oh hell yes! I save full dollars per round reloading 338LM! After living through a few ammo shortages now though, I do keep a couple years worth of primers on hand, so if supplies dry up or they get too expensive, I can start again.
If bugging out my cars suspension will break . No way I'm leaving anything behind. That's why I keep about 500 rounds per pistol caliber and 1000 per rifle. Ammo is heavy and every member of the family is carrying a pistol and a long gun.
Just remember, while we all love our 10.3” MK18s and 11.5s, they need special, heavy for caliber rounds to be really effective - eg 77gr SMK bullets a la MK262. 16” and up turns you’re standard 55gr M193 “plinking round” into a kick ass defensive round. You get those little 55gr pills up to 3,100 FPS and they kick ass.
My man! I always say 1-2k rds. per rifle ( per caliber ) minimum...and 500/750 rds. per handgun rd. Our combat loadout was 8 mags. (7 full & 1 in ) I carried 5 extra...anywhere I could fit them!
I can comfortably carry 12 30rd magazines. 6 in a magazine bandoleer in my backpack, 3 on my chest, 2 on my battle belt and 1 in the rifle. Also have 2 pistol mags on my chest, 2 on my belt and 1 in the pistol.
How much really depends on what you expect to happen. If you consider a real civil war you can look to something like Selco experienced in the Bosnian War in the 90s. He had 1,000 rifle round and he says it was gone the first day. That's getting stuck in the city and not getting out when the warning signs were there which he admits. If you look at Ukraine and the people that were able to flea they had one or two suitcases. I doubt if I were a walking refugee that I would carry out much ammo versus survival items, dense valuables, and small family heirlooms. Argentina's collapse is another example type where things sorta worked but you couldn't count on the government to keep crime at a minimum. No organized units in gun battles but you might have to fight off robbers and car jackers. "As a bare minimum you should have enough to fill all your mags". If you have extra ammo then you need more mags :)
Ammo should be treated like grocery shopping. Every week buy a box. One week 9mm, the next week .223 or 5.56 continue, the next week shotgun ammo. etc….
I have 5k rounds of 5.56 goin down as I go to the range on Saturdays but it goes 1500 of AAC 77g otm 2k of 62g green tip and 1500 of 55g rounds to train with and I have 1000 rounds of 9mm
It’s legit for sure. When PSA has the 77 otm on sale for 10.99 I figured out you can order exactly 20 boxes and the shipping is still 9.99$ so that’s what I do 😂
Are you staying in one location? Then you will probably be maneuvered on and killed at some point. Are you keeping it moving? Then you need to be light, a couple thousand rounds in a vehicle but no more than 300 on dismount
I don't know about stock piling FMJ's for SHTF. I know they're better than nothing and they are more affordable but I think I would still try and get as many hollow points or some kind of defensive rounds as possible first.
FMJ's are what the military uses, so they aren't all bad; however, yeah, I'd rather have full power defensive loads too. Also depends on if you are stockpiling "plinking" ammo, or full power FMJ's.
For my AR's/AKs, I like 15 magazines per gun generally. SHTF/WROL/Book of Eli/Mad Max zombie apocalypse, requires at least 5K per MAJOR weapon category. Meaning that, if you run a 9mm as your primary handgun then that should be your 5K ammo gun. And then if you have a 40., a 45. and other guns, I would worry much less about having a lot of ammo for those calibers if I haven't loaded up on my primary. Same with your rifle. If you run an AK, then 5K in AK ammo is what it should be. And then you can get peripheral ammo for all of your other guns. For handguns, 7 mags minimum should do the trick I prefer 10.
i keep half my AR mags New in packaging, that way i know they are not worn out. i do the 2/1 purchase /savings ratio with mags and ammo. buy 2 mags, one for practice/ shooting and one goes in storage, same for ammo, if i buy 200 rounds, I shoot 100 and save 100. over time you get to both shoot and stock.
A side arm is back up so you don't need much 100-200 defense rounds and 300 training for primary side arms. Shot gun 500 bird and 500 buck. Primary rifle 5k and dmr/hunting 2000. Finally 10000 rounds of 22lr.
I have well past 100 30rd rifle mags all loaded and feel pretty comfortable with it but still find myself continuing to buy more mags and ammo every chance I get lmao
Two classes a year at 1000 rounds each plus another 100 (at least) per month to keep you sharp thats 3200 per year give or take multiplied by however many years you want to have on hand. A lot of it already loaded into mags. I'm betting ammo pricing will get pretty low again in the next few years.
I disagree with these arbitrary numbers for "how much do you need" questions. Where did 1000 come from? At a minimum, I do how many magazines I may need for a given firearm. I get 3× that. One set I keep loaded with 'serious' ammo, one set for practice, and one stored to replace damaged mags. I keep enough 'serious' ammo to load each. For example I keep 9 10/22 magazines per 10/22 and enough small game ammo for each. I keep 21 AR15 magazines per AR and enough Speer GD to fill them. I keep more practice rounds than this.
Everybody on those AAC 77otm's! The poor man's mk262...lol No magic number to have for SHTF. Get as much as one can get. Caveat however!..... The odds of someone surviving enough 2-way engagements to burn through 1 case of ammo alone; is highly unlikely.
I think people never consider how much ammo they can realistically employ. How many people have ever moved a few miles with 8-10 magazines? I think three or four combat loads (210rds x4) is extremely realistic. That will allow you to pass it on to a friend or have a resupply laying around. Keep up the great work bro
Yeah it’s a lot to think about. My traveling rig is 270 rounds in body, and a few hundred extra in my pack. You want as much as you can properly maneuver with. Thanks for the input!
We learned this during basic training at Ft. Sill. 4 loaded magazines, plus your remaining gear adds up quickly when you doing 7, 14, and 21 miles marches.
A minimum of 1k per FIREARM owned. Regardless of caliber. You have 2 9mm glocks? Your edc and "go to war" rig. Then 2k minimum. Thats stocked. Any training ammo is additional to that. So if you own 1k and go shoot 500 training. You should still have a stock of 1k stored.
"Bear" minimum, by platform: 1000 rds for rifle 1000 rds for handgun 250 rds for shotgun Outlier: 5000 rds of .22 caliber. With a CMMG BCG conversion and mag, you can easily get in quality training time at the range with your SHTF AR, without using your more expensive .223 and .556 rounds. I disagree with buying a box or two every day or week. It's a waste of time, money, and gas. Buy a minimum of 500 rds (except shotgun), every time. If you're not rolling in cash, budget until you can afford that minimum. Max amount of ammo should be whatever your budget, space and common sense allows.
I think it depends on everyone’s situation. For me, a few boxes a week isn’t an inconvenience. I pass the gun store almost everyday on my normal route to work. Even though I take my preparedness seriously, I do have other things that I deem important. Such as buying a house, investing in stocks, and also saving up a ring. For my personal situation, it doesn’t make sense to dump all my money on something that has a possibility of not happening. It’s great to be prepared, but we also have to live our lives as well 👍
Weird reason to not stock that much, if you can. Seems like the same argument could be said of why stockpile at all, when SHTF might be Russia nuking us and you get vaporized immediately anyway. I don't think how much you can get out of your house, if it caught fire is a good limiting factor, in my opinion.
Let me answer this for you "How Much Ammo Is Enough For SHTF?" its never enough.... No one who has been in a firefight has ever said "holy crap we have too much ammo, thank god we have these slave state 10 round magazines or we would be loading forever."
I was literally thinking about this scenario last week. In my mind, I thought I needed at least 1000 rounds of hollow points.. but I guess target ammo is fine as long as I know what’s behind the target.
Ideally hollow points is better. But the way I see it is if shtf and you end up having to use your firearm, I think you’re in a horrible situation regardless. Obviously I don’t know every scenario, this is just speculation. But more often than not, you’ll be fighting for your life. And at that point I believe shot placement is more important than a specific round.
1. 223 Target ammo is just fine (a little cheaper ).. 2. 90% won’t be engaging beyond 50 yards.. 3. Dump most of your gun collections, keep 1or 2 solid handguns and 1-2 rifles, invest in night vision / thermal .. Edit : 4 invest in level 4 armor and helmet if you can.
@@Mr.R_McCall you read my mind about Thermal. I mentioned this earlier to concrete cowboy. Hopefully he dabble with some videos about it. Never used it before but I feel like it’s literal CHEAT CODE.
Full up all the magazine you own, bare minimum. 120 rounds at all times, oops 300 rds at all times, Stock pile as much ammo as you can. Stock pile rule 1000 rds for each weapon you own, and 100 for training. So 10 times for training if the SHTF, then your out of ammo. Maybe a few 1000 rds for each weapon. 14.99 for a box of blazer Brass, 259.00 for 1000?? MMM interesting. Got to go get some Blazer Brass.
I don't think magazines is a good measurement. I applaud your effort tackle this impossible question though. Any type of situation that would require stockpiling ammo, is going to last long enough to reload, and cardboard boxes are lighter than magazines. In reality it's about levels of SHTF. Are we talking the recent rioting that lasted a single night? The 90's riots that lasted days? New Orleans after Katrina which took a couple weeks to restore order? Or, the "real" SHTF Red Dawn/end of western civilization? For a single night of looting, you would probably be fine with 2 mags and 1 box of 50rds; I never saw footage of rioters storming people shooting at them in human meat waves. That is the most likely, and could really happen at any time, scenario. A couple days, probably good with 100rds, but 200 is better. A couple weeks; probably still good with 200, cause that's a lot of defending yourself. "Real" SHTF; never enough. Really never enough. I used to be on a big kick, trying to buy one of every caliber, so when supplies get low I've got something that shoots what ever ammo I can find. I like the few thousand per caliber number; however, the chances are extremely unlikely, so take your time building up to that. I like the idea of buying a little regularly method; it's not the cheapest, but you can build a major stockpile before you know it.
i do something similar, i just buy a little every paycheck. i usually just use the ammo i bought for the range and try not to go into my stockpile. but if i do i replace it.
lols, 300 rounds on your vest plus additional in your pack. If you going through all that and not dug in somewhere on the front line you either a shit aim or not known when to egress from the situation. Best advice would be to follow western military doctrine for this matter, we have been doing this for decades. Funny video tho, thx.
Yes sir! You actually wear out the spring more by loading and unloading it. I used a friends magazine a while back that he had loaded for years, and it had more spring tension than all my mags I use for matches
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Instructions unclear. I ended up buying 100 30rd magazines.
With a result like that, I’d say the instructions were very clear 😂😂 I wish I owned 100 mags
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Your on the right track
same i bought a reloading press and 16lbs of powder along with rest of components. i was never really good with directions
Hahaha my man!
I like to get myself 10 mags for my AR and 10 mags for my Glock 34 every year on my birthday. It’s not that expensive to do it once a year
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“260 dollars”
Me: *aggressively spits out mouthful of beer*
“Where the f*** can I get 1,000 rounds of 5.56 for 260 dollars?!?! I’m buying it right now!!”
*sees he’s talking about 9mm*
“Oh”
Cheapest I have found 1k 5.56 is $500
@@michaelfranks341 missed out on Southern Defense for 420ish shipped for 1k, snagged 2 of them
😂😂😂😅
😂😂 sorry man
You do realize, pre-rona, wolf gold was 260 for a case....
(For grid down/ civil war/ apocalypse event) I was once told that for every round you expect to send at someone, you should expect one coming back at you. Now extrapolate that into the 100s or 1000s of rounds, and then calculate your odds of surviving that many gunfights. Food for thought.
Interesting and great food for thought. I personally don’t want to have any conflicts if things get chaotic, and want to avoid it at all costs. I’m not an expert at gun fighting (never been in one) but I’m sure there is a method to the madness. Great comment!
@@ConcreteCowboyxmy gunfight had a ratio of bad guy 2 rounds. Me 25 rounds.
Thats reasonable but better to be prepared!! And if you have more ammo you can arm more people on your side
@@youngmonkey2504 Oh, I agree 100%. I've been stocking up for over a decade. Sure hope I never have to bugout, because I'm not lugging hundreds of pounds of ammo with me! LOL
@@mehGyver lol right on man hell yeah
Goals:
10,000 5.56 stockpiled
3,000 308/6.5cm/300blk
3,000 9mm
3,000 for yearly training at most,
30,000 22lr for so much more!!
556 OVER 10K
6.5CM ABOUT 3K
9MM OVER 4K
.22LR 6K ROUNDS
10MM 500
SMOKES, FLASHBANGS
@chanc9737 and a few lbs of c4? 🤫
@@skydivingcomrade1648 no just some ceramic dogs filled with tannerite. Lol
Concrete Cowboy, solid videos from you Brother. Keep them coming! As some others have said, I have the ammo as well as components for reloading. One of the things that I will stress is make sure to store you shtf stockpile appropriately. I use desiccant packets in my sealed ammo cans as well as keeping a consistent temp. Again, thanks for dedicating your knowledge to everyone!
Great video and topic as usual. Really loving the more frequent posting schedule as of late. Keep em coming, Cowboy!
A standard AR-15 can last about 7500 rounds before it requires a complete rebuild.
If you own just a single AR, you dont _"need"_ more ammo than that.
Having a spare complete upper receiver, (along with a rebuild kit for the lower receiver), you will be good to go for another 7500 rounds.
A lower receiver usually lasts about 30,000 rounds before it starts to fail the gauge inspection.
For 30k rounds, you will need>
1: 1 complete AR-15 Rifle.
2: 3 complete spare uppers.
3: 3 lower receiver rebuild kits.
You will also need spare optics and spare accessories - (weapon lights, laser aimers, etc) along with spare batteries, and spare furniture pieces.
And some small miscellaneous items (detents and detent springs, roll pins, extractor kits, ejector kits, firing pins, buffer tubes, end plates, castle nuts & gas tubes).
If you need more than 30,000 rounds you are probably up to your eyeballs in the apocalypse and may God have mercy on your soul.
these consistent uploads are golden🙌🏽👌🏽
Trying hard my guy!
We carried 8 mags with 1 in the rifle when deployed for our M4s. None of us had pistols only officers and the medics had those. Buy as many mags as possible. They break and get damaged with hard use. You could lose them running or other things could happen. Stockpile the calibers that you would be using if on the run. (Meaning what you would carry.) I have a couple dozen different caliber rifles and pistols. I dont put my money into crazy off the wall calibers that I wont be carrying or are hard to find. For me its 556 and 9mm/45acp. My older cz, makarov, P90, etc that take a specialized caliber thats crazy expensive I will buy ammo when I want to shoot. Another point, use common calibers and rifles that you would find out there. AK, AR15, Glocks, 1911, Sig, etc. Battlefield pickups are a real thing. Dont go out there with something that takes proprietary mags that if you lose or get damaged cant be replaced. Buy a rifle of your choice and dont worry about optics right away. If you can get them..then great. When I first went into the Army we didnt have Eotechs or Trijicons and had to use iron sights. The stock sights are viable to use and in some cases will be better. Buy a rifle and a pistol then 500-100 round of ammo. I go to the gun store every couple weeks and buy a couple mags for pistols and rifles. ($50-75) That is how you stock pile slowly. If you can buy a bunch off the jump then great. A shotgun is probably another overlooked weapon if you can get it. Grab a pump remington or mossberg used for around $200 and that will get you started. A shotgun is very versatile because of the different types of ammo it can use. The main thing is dont panic buy and use all your money on guns. There are other things to buy as well to keep you safe.
A LOT of great points made in this comment. Very grateful that you shared this
I would go to my lgs once a week to slowly build up my stockpile like you suggested. The only problem is that they mark up their prices so much higher than what you can find online. I understand they have to make money, but it's kinda crazy even at the big box stores. I wouldn't mind if it was 1 to 5 cents more per round, but in most cases it's closer to 10 cents or more difference. And buying in bulk sucks because you have to come up with over $500 for rifle ammo all at once.
I get where you’re coming from. But once you account for shipping online. The cents per round usually equates to the same amount. At a local store they account for not having to ship. But I do find some pretty crazy deals online sometimes that I absolutely attack
Cries looking at prices of .308
SGAmmo is good free shipping on orders over $200. True shot is local to me so I pick up ammo in person
@@rico989 oh yeah I look at ammo seek religiously. Comparing my lgs and even a nearby Cabela's for PMC m855 to stuff you can find online is crazy. It's like 52cpr online after tax with free shipping, lgs and Cabela's are almost 75cpr after tax
@@rico989SG’s state tax fees are a deal breaker for me. The taxes are higher than shipping costs.
My issue is I have a lot of fmj ammo in 223/556 and 9mm. But not a ton of defensive rounds on rifle (1k green tips and some loose soft points), and maybe couple hundred match grade. As far as hollow points for 9mm im decent one. .308 have 300 rounds of soft points. Imho long range is where I will try to find myself as cqb is a death wish. Great video man! Think it is also important, if you have the mags... keep them loaded at all times.
All my mags stay loaded, even in my storage haha. And I have more fmj than hollow points for sure, so I get that
In a rifle round it really doesn’t matter if it’s FMJ or hollow point the damage will be devastating. FMJ will also be better for piercing armor. Hollow point is obviously “better” at wound cavity but with rifle speeds you’ll get crazy damage either way.
Green tips are what run best in my 1/7 for cheap
That’s what I stock on.
Just use the 55 fmj rounds to train with from now on and start to stockpile 77 grain OTM and you will be good to go. Hold onto those green tip rounds bc they are useful for situations where barriers are blocking the target. They also perform a lot better than most people think they do.
Solid S2 here...another item, and it's relatively cheap, to augment your load out is a bandolier; pull the bottom string and viola, you just increased your mag count by four.
Sound advice. Greatly appreciated.
I often speak of how my wife was annoyed at my constant 'Winchester white box' purchases at Walmart. Every time I walked by the counter I picked up a box of 9mm and .22lr at 9.98 a box.
Who's giggling now? :)
Excellent video!
First video I have seen of yours, very well done.
I couldn't smash that like and subscribe button fast enough.
I am definitely sharing your video with my brothers.
Keep yup the good work!
Ye, I keep all my ammo in .50 cal ammo cans and have 2 to fit 1k rounds of 5.56 in each can so when I run out of one I then know I need to place an order for another 1k rds. Same thing for 9mm except 2k can fit in 1 can so 4k rds total for 9mm! I learned my lesson too from 2020!
I feel like we all got burned in 2020. And now I’m hoping to help others avoid that heartache lol
You’re fast becoming one of my favorite gon TH-camr
Great video with food for thought. Some are complaining they dont have 'defensive rounds' Hmmm. as long as the round goes bang when I pull the trigger Im happy. Something to think about, 99% of us wont have a medevac bird to extract us or a whole surgical team waiting if we get hit. This wont be Call of Duty and we're not assaulting a position with a team we have trained with. We need to avoid contact and break contact if necessary. Have lots of ammo to defend yours elf and loved ones. Stay under the radar.
Remember no body has ever said “damn I have to much ammo”
Many ammo dealers allow Sezzle or Affirm or Afterpay to finance ammo
Purchases. I have gone from buying 5 boxes at a time to 500-1000 rounds at a time. Makes it less painful to stock up.
For what is worth I’ve told my group in the short term your need 330 rounds for a single combat load of up to 11 mags
Longer term 660
We’ve been prepping for awhile so we all are in the thousands now
If you survive through using 2 combat loads you are doing incredibly well
I like this advice. I have the most out of my friends group, but I plan on helping them get their numbers up
When your order bulk don’t forget a decent gift card for your UPS person around the holidays.
This is a genius idea
Naw they getting 6 figures now so they can just do their job.
Every time I ruck march I realize how unrealistic this is
For most folks I would say a pistol and a few magazines. Why? Because they aren’t in combat shape. And how likely are we to be rucking around full kit w/ battle rifle in hand.
It’s America what happens in Maine doesn’t affect Kansas. Better off focusing on the basic and training. Most SHTf situations that happen a person has there CCW on them and the rifle is gets left home or the truck. It’s a fantasy thinking people are gonna put down their beer. Gear up and be ready. Not to mention your enemy combatant will likely have the same caliber as you. Take there’s.
My rule of thumb is every time I go to the gun store either to browse or buy parts I always leave with 1-2 magazines or 1-2 boxes of ammo that’s just me especially if your on a budget
In SHTF situation the first you thing anyone would do is hunker down in place. your home will initially be your best chance for survival. Obviously not for a tsunami or storm threat but im talking about civil unrest or martial laws scenario. Having to grab and go is a last ditch effort that you want to avoid, so the real question is not how much ammo can you carry, its how much water can you carry...
I stopped stockpiling loaded ammo. Now I stockpile components. I measure said stockpile in terms of “years of matches”. I’m rated A/M with a rifle and now starting my handgun journey in D. For a rifle I “only” need 1.5k- 2k a year.
I really feel bad for people that have to buy factory ammo. I’ve been reloading for 10 years and started prior to all of the Covid shortages. The irony is that I can load a 75/77 grain 5.56 for .28, but loading 9mm rounds still costs about .21. It’s just the breakdown of the components and the fact that primers are at best .07 each. Can’t get around that. But your video is good advice for those who don’t reload.
I would love to get into reloading! Just haven’t invested in it yet. I want to experiment with different loads like Walter Sobchak Security
@ It’s definitely an investment, and it becomes a sickness. I’ll have to watch the Walter channel. There’s also Johnny’s reloading bench, who did great videos but has since stopped posting. But I modeled his Black Hills loads and pretty much have the same results. Good Luck
Have you gotten into casting your own bullets? I am able to bring 9mm down to .13 per round with that. Pre-Covid I was able to do it for .06! Definitely helps when you're a high-volume shooter.
Where are you getting powder from for good prices?
@ I kind of lucked out last year with a LGS. They were liquidating pound size powder. I was getting PP Varmint, Win 296, H110, W748, and BLC2 for 35 a pound. My bank account suffered for a few months but I loaded up with enough for quite a few years. Other than that, i try to find no hazmat sales and buy 8# qty of things like A2520. That works out to around 40 a pound. I can’t justify buying the “great” powders like Varget or H4350 for 65 plus a pound so I’m using what works for a variety of calibers.
depends on your circumstance and plan. In a city an likely will have to evacuate? 7 mags and enough ammo for to reload them. In the country or in a secure location? Whatever you can stuff into your house.
Yep! It all depends!
If you know you are in a must bug out kind of place, know where you are going to bug out to; then 1,000rds is a really small box, and any real friend would gladly let you put a few someplace on their farm.
Depends.
Assuming you have a 5.56 AR, a 9mm pistol, and a 12 gauge, then a decent supply would be 2,000 for your primary rifle, 1,000 for pistol, and at least 750 for the 12 (500 00-buck and 250 slugs).
Ammo is a commodity that you'll be able to trade, so stockpiling "too much" isn't really an issue.
This assumes you have a community of like-minded (and skilled) people who also want to survive the SHTF, and you have plenty of other necessities.
Let's say SHTF is a 5 year period. You'll have at least one monthly encounter of fight and flight. The more ammo you have the higher the chance you have of making it to the next challenge. 300 rounds a month minimum, ~3600 rounds a year, roughly 20000 rounds to survive SHTF scenario. If you're just talking about serious LA/BLM/Detroit 67 rioting for a month at most - min. 5000 rounds.
PS - If the new administration relaxes ammo import rules (and firearm import rules), I HIGHLY recommend buying some to stash away.
I recall buying steel core, brass cased ammo for the AK for around $75 per 1,000 in the early 1990's. Before Clinton was in office, 7.62x39 could be had for $49 a 1,000 round case. I reloaded 5.56 until the early 90's, but I recall it being about $180 a 1,000 when I began purchasing by the case.
Point being, stock up when prices drop. Over time, ammo outpaces inflation - particularly when the halls of power are filled with those hostile to the 2A. Set it aside in a closet (or similar) where you have a stable environment.
Sounds like good advice. Question, do you store your mags loaded and at full capacity? Thanks.
Yes
223/556 is like 65 cents a round.
If you buy it online you have to pay an extremely high shipping penalty.
Personally I am not shooting matches or long range therefore I buy 55 grain .223 or 5.56 for training (7000 rounds). It is still lethal for SHTF! I do have a few hundred 62 & 77 grain defensive or match (buying more 62 gr). I shoot more 9mm FMJ as I’m handgun focused in training currently (7000+) with 600+ JHP’s (need more)!
A "combat load" is usually 6 magazines +1 in the gun. If you have a reload, say a 6-mag bandolier, or 2 of the M855 bandoliers with the strings pulled, most people are looking at 13-15 mags total. Most AR mags are ~1lb. So ~15lb weight budget. Pistol... 3 mags + 1 in the gun, and say 2bx of 50? Grand total that's ~450 rounds of 5.56, and 161 (17rd mags) of 9mm. I usually like to keep plenty of ammo so I can go shoot matches and train, It's kinda funny you point out "you don't shoot that much in matches" I've done a few recently, where I shot less than 20 rounds the whole 3 hour match.
I think what some people may not appreciate is that ammo stockpile is your gift to future you. I was digging around looking for some camping gear and found another stash of ammo I bought just as things were going pear shaped for the coof. Thanks 2020 me!
There are a lot of strategies out there, one thing I suggest is finding some decent 9mm hollowpoints and stashing those. Come SHTF, I'd rather not be carrying ball ammo.
I’ve got 308 fever 🇺🇸🦅🕑A
Forward force projection in shtf is undoubtedly important and a well stocked ammo locker being a integral component. As a comment posted here mentioned a house fire. This is why I have the largest ABC fire extinguisher’s available to the public in every room of my house. Now everyone’s trained and can effectively use one, this was cheaper than another high dollar AR build. Clint Smith has some good content on this subject.
I think this is VERY important. Didn’t think about that and now I have some things I need to switch around for my ammo storage! Good stuff here
I have been buying guns and ammo since the 80's.. and old schoolers like myself at some point have probably all gone through trying to cut down and minimize on the amount of different calibers that you own, shoot, reload and stockpile for at some point along the way.
Many new gun owners make that mistake of trying to own a firearm in every single caliber out there.. and that is NOT the key to having a well rounded collection and you just end up with having a big collection of firearms most of which you dont ever shoot because you can never find ammo or simply because they are just not among your top favorite firearms to shoot - so then you find yourself asking the question.. "why do I even own it.. if I never ever shoot it?.. and whenever I do shoot it.. I find myself wanting to shoot something else that I enjoy more" - Safe Queens that just sit in the safe and look pretty are useless.. stockpile ammo for the firearms that you shoot and train with!
I have a 8mm Mauser.. it sits in my safe and does absolutely nothing.. it is the only firearm that I own in 8mm.. and it is the last gun I would ever grab if I heard a bump in the night and the last gun I would ever want in a SHTF situation - I have only a few boxes of ammo for it.. and I rarely ever shoot it.
Do I really need this firearm? - only for collection purposes.
Do I need to stockpile 10,000 rounds for it? - Hell no!
If you have a quality AR in 5.56x45/.223.. do you really need to get one in .224 Valkyrie and 6.5 Grendel and .300 BlkOut and 7.62x39 and 350 Legend and 450 Bushmaster and 50 Beowulf and 458 Socom and 6 Arc.. and every other caliber that can be found in the AR platform? - Trying to keep and maintain a stockpile of a few 1000 rounds of each of those calibers will cost you a small fortune! (and kinda makes no sense especially when some of those calibers have very similar ballistic results anyways!)
It is much better In my opinion to have different rifles in different configurations and barrel lengths that all serve different purposes and that all share the same common caliber.. than to have a bunch of different rifles that all shoot different calibers - for example an AR-10 and a Scar 17 and a KelTec RDB Bullpup and a Ruger American bolt action and a Remington 7600 pump action are all 5 very different firearms yet can ALL share the same .308 ammo.. making thing a lot easier on that new collector who might be on a budget while trying to build up his collection - buying 10,000 rounds of bulk 308 ammo compared to buying 2000 rounds of 5 different types of ammo could end up costing you TWICE as much for a 10,000 round stockpile.
If you are RICH and can afford to buy anything and everything that you see and want.. then totally IGNORE every single word that I wrote above.. and continue doing your thing playa!
C.R.E.A.M. - and if you got it like that.. you got it like that! (just leave a little something on the shelves for the rest of us poorer folks!)
Quality over Quantity is still always the key.
Salute!
Having too many calibers can be counterproductive to achieving this goal. I had to get rid of some calibers. Good video, first time here, I will subscribe.
If you had to leave your location for whatever reason how much could you carry. This is especially true for those who live in built up areas. A load out bag with all of your kit, medical, and ammo is essential. Not to mention food and water. This is so complex.
Definitely a hard question to answer, because we will never know what the right answer is. A good bag will help assist in carrying more gear without stressing the body too much
I’ve got a black army issued duffle bag that is packed and ready to grab and go.
True, what you can carry definitely limits what you can carry, if you need to bug out; however, for the vast majority of real world scenarios, you're probably better staying home. So if you do have to GTFO, take what you can carry; however, that shouldn't be the limiting factor of what you stockpile. Or, if you KNOW you are in a bad place to hole up and that you would bug out to so-and-so's farm, then put your stockpile in a storage unit near there, or maybe your friend will let you store some ammo at their place.
@@andycole5957 I am completely in agreeance with bugging in while also creating a plan to bug out with what we can.
There will be plenty of standard rounds laying around on the ground along side some high priced equipment.
Reloading should also not be overlooked. It depends on the caliber, but generally speaking a brand new load (buying brass powder primers and projectiles) can tend to be cheaper than classic ammo. If your reloading ammo, then I’ve found it to be roughly half as much per round. Often times brass is the most expensive part of ammo. It could also be a good opportunity to invest in good, and long lasting brass for better results than the cheapest ball ammo.
Also, the ability to reload ammo gives you more options when there are supply shortages (for one reason or another) and reloading supplies are generally less restricted than regular ammo.
I hear this a lot so it must be and efficient way to save ammo. My thing is, is that the start up cost seems to be a lot.
@@ConcreteCowboyx It for sure can be. you can spend an almost infinite amount of money on the nicest progressive press with all the bell and whistles. But you can also get a $200 Hornady lock n load, some cheap dies, a priming tool, a cheap scale and maybe a resizing drill bit. With all of this, you might be approaching a little over $300.
This difference of this would be made up very quickly on the scale of thousands of rounds. Especially with something like 5.56 where you might be saving upwards of 20 cents a round.
I find for 9mm and 223, it's not worth it money wise. I stopped reloading for those, except for 9mm for my open class competition pistol, cause I've dialed those in to be the softest shooting for competition. When I did the math on those I was maybe saving 1c per round, maybe; compared to buying in bulk. Now for a lot of less popular calibers, and especially larger calibers, oh hell yes! I save full dollars per round reloading 338LM! After living through a few ammo shortages now though, I do keep a couple years worth of primers on hand, so if supplies dry up or they get too expensive, I can start again.
If bugging out my cars suspension will break . No way I'm leaving anything behind. That's why I keep about 500 rounds per pistol caliber and 1000 per rifle. Ammo is heavy and every member of the family is carrying a pistol and a long gun.
Just remember, while we all love our 10.3” MK18s and 11.5s, they need special, heavy for caliber rounds to be really effective - eg 77gr SMK bullets a la MK262. 16” and up turns you’re standard 55gr M193 “plinking round” into a kick ass defensive round. You get those little 55gr pills up to 3,100 FPS and they kick ass.
@@smith8124 Your MK18 will run just fine on 62 and 64 grain pills…
My man! I always say 1-2k rds. per rifle ( per caliber ) minimum...and 500/750 rds. per handgun rd. Our combat loadout was 8 mags. (7 full & 1 in ) I carried 5 extra...anywhere I could fit them!
I can comfortably carry 12 30rd magazines. 6 in a magazine bandoleer in my backpack, 3 on my chest, 2 on my battle belt and 1 in the rifle. Also have 2 pistol mags on my chest, 2 on my belt and 1 in the pistol.
Sounds like you stay in shape!
Got Batmans load out.😎
I found the runner I want on my squad. 😂
How much really depends on what you expect to happen. If you consider a real civil war you can look to something like Selco experienced in the Bosnian War in the 90s. He had 1,000 rifle round and he says it was gone the first day. That's getting stuck in the city and not getting out when the warning signs were there which he admits. If you look at Ukraine and the people that were able to flea they had one or two suitcases. I doubt if I were a walking refugee that I would carry out much ammo versus survival items, dense valuables, and small family heirlooms. Argentina's collapse is another example type where things sorta worked but you couldn't count on the government to keep crime at a minimum. No organized units in gun battles but you might have to fight off robbers and car jackers.
"As a bare minimum you should have enough to fill all your mags". If you have extra ammo then you need more mags :)
I delicate just under $300 a month for ammo. It allows me to get 100 rounds of 77gr 556, 200 rounds of 55gr 556, and 100 round of 9mm
14 mags of 5.56
1,000 rounds of 9mm
5,000 rounds of .22lr
Couple hundred variety 12 gauge
Finally a black dude posting gun videos on YT that actually knows what hes talking about 😂
There are many others haha, but I appreciate that!
Collion noir is pretty good too
Plenty out there. Don't be racist
Guerillas in the mist are good dudes as well.
@@some-random-idiot6853 collion, prob the biggest lame in the gun world.
Ammo should be treated like grocery shopping.
Every week buy a box.
One week 9mm, the next week .223 or 5.56 continue, the next week shotgun ammo. etc….
I have 5k rounds of 5.56 goin down as I go to the range on Saturdays but it goes 1500 of AAC 77g otm 2k of 62g green tip and 1500 of 55g rounds to train with and I have 1000 rounds of 9mm
AAC ammo is nothing to sleep on i love there 77gr otm 5.56
It’s legit for sure. When PSA has the 77 otm on sale for 10.99 I figured out you can order exactly 20 boxes and the shipping is still 9.99$ so that’s what I do 😂
@@Gadsdenflag thanks for letting me know that $9.99 shipping for that much ammo is a deal
Are you staying in one location? Then you will probably be maneuvered on and killed at some point.
Are you keeping it moving? Then you need to be light, a couple thousand rounds in a vehicle but no more than 300 on dismount
I don't know about stock piling FMJ's for SHTF. I know they're better than nothing and they are more affordable but I think I would still try and get as many hollow points or some kind of defensive rounds as possible first.
FMJ's are what the military uses, so they aren't all bad; however, yeah, I'd rather have full power defensive loads too. Also depends on if you are stockpiling "plinking" ammo, or full power FMJ's.
For my AR's/AKs, I like 15 magazines per gun generally. SHTF/WROL/Book of Eli/Mad Max zombie apocalypse, requires at least 5K per MAJOR weapon category. Meaning that, if you run a 9mm as your primary handgun then that should be your 5K ammo gun. And then if you have a 40., a 45. and other guns, I would worry much less about having a lot of ammo for those calibers if I haven't loaded up on my primary. Same with your rifle. If you run an AK, then 5K in AK ammo is what it should be. And then you can get peripheral ammo for all of your other guns. For handguns, 7 mags minimum should do the trick I prefer 10.
Solid numbers here for many to consider. I like how we all have different ways about going about this!
2-3 boxes a week or set the cash aside and wait till a bulk deal holidays are around the corrner
i keep half my AR mags New in packaging, that way i know they are not worn out. i do the 2/1 purchase /savings ratio with mags and ammo. buy 2 mags, one for practice/ shooting and one goes in storage, same for ammo, if i buy 200 rounds, I shoot 100 and save 100. over time you get to both shoot and stock.
I'm paranoid, I'd worry about failure if I broke out a mag I hadn't field tested in an emergency
@@512productions3 ive never had a pmag not work out of the bag, if so, its ok , there's another behind that one!
Very similar to what I do. Keeps things moving in a positive direction
Pmags are VERY reliable. I too have never had one fail straight out of the bag. But I definitely understand where you are coming from
Solid video bud you definitely are a channel I look forward when I see new uploads
Yo I appreciate that!
ShTF is over there’s robot 🤖 dogs walking around.
A side arm is back up so you don't need much 100-200 defense rounds and 300 training for primary side arms. Shot gun 500 bird and 500 buck. Primary rifle 5k and dmr/hunting 2000. Finally 10000 rounds of 22lr.
Reloading is viable for Gucci calibers and training ammo. I have over 20k 9mm rounds reloaded stock pile them for barter and training.
Ok I really need to get into reloading
Just found your channel, enjoying the content for sure. What shirt is that button down green one?
also learning to reload is helpful to if your budget allows for it.
I have well past 100 30rd rifle mags all loaded and feel pretty comfortable with it but still find myself continuing to buy more mags and ammo every chance I get lmao
Two classes a year at 1000 rounds each plus another 100 (at least) per month to keep you sharp thats 3200 per year give or take multiplied by however many years you want to have on hand. A lot of it already loaded into mags. I'm betting ammo pricing will get pretty low again in the next few years.
If they are I’m definitely going to take advantage of the discounts before the next election!
I disagree with these arbitrary numbers for "how much do you need" questions. Where did 1000 come from?
At a minimum, I do how many magazines I may need for a given firearm. I get 3× that. One set I keep loaded with 'serious' ammo, one set for practice, and one stored to replace damaged mags. I keep enough 'serious' ammo to load each. For example I keep 9 10/22 magazines per 10/22 and enough small game ammo for each. I keep 21 AR15 magazines per AR and enough Speer GD to fill them. I keep more practice rounds than this.
If you’re talking about saving $$$, why are you buying by the box, at the range, instead of in bulk like the 9mm you mentioned for $260/1000?
"Buy all the ammo". Yes sir. Got it. 😂
Everybody on those AAC 77otm's! The poor man's mk262...lol
No magic number to have for SHTF. Get as much as one can get. Caveat however!..... The odds of someone surviving enough 2-way engagements to burn through 1 case of ammo alone; is highly unlikely.
Hey don’t hate on my AAC 😂😂 And I agree, get as much as you can!
@@ConcreteCowboyx Yessir! I load up every time it hits that .55 sale. Sub/notifications/like buttons all smashed btw!
12, 30 round mags min. After that you need to know how to "acquire" more ammo.
I think people never consider how much ammo they can realistically employ. How many people have ever moved a few miles with 8-10 magazines? I think three or four combat loads (210rds x4) is extremely realistic. That will allow you to pass it on to a friend or have a resupply laying around. Keep up the great work bro
exactly. without a full team, howmany gunfights do people expect to win? the rest is for game and use as currency
Yeah it’s a lot to think about. My traveling rig is 270 rounds in body, and a few hundred extra in my pack. You want as much as you can properly maneuver with. Thanks for the input!
We learned this during basic training at Ft. Sill. 4 loaded magazines, plus your remaining gear adds up quickly when you doing 7, 14, and 21 miles marches.
A minimum of 1k per FIREARM owned. Regardless of caliber.
You have 2 9mm glocks? Your edc and "go to war" rig. Then 2k minimum. Thats stocked. Any training ammo is additional to that. So if you own 1k and go shoot 500 training. You should still have a stock of 1k stored.
Different way of thinking, but I like that your numbers are still in the same ball park. We should all strive to be past 1K minimum!
"Bear" minimum, by platform:
1000 rds for rifle
1000 rds for handgun
250 rds for shotgun
Outlier: 5000 rds of .22 caliber. With a CMMG BCG conversion and mag, you can easily get in quality training time at the range with your SHTF AR, without using your more expensive .223 and .556 rounds.
I disagree with buying a box or two every day or week. It's a waste of time, money, and gas. Buy a minimum of 500 rds (except shotgun), every time. If you're not rolling in cash, budget until you can afford that minimum.
Max amount of ammo should be whatever your budget, space and common sense allows.
I think it depends on everyone’s situation. For me, a few boxes a week isn’t an inconvenience. I pass the gun store almost everyday on my normal route to work. Even though I take my preparedness seriously, I do have other things that I deem important. Such as buying a house, investing in stocks, and also saving up a ring. For my personal situation, it doesn’t make sense to dump all my money on something that has a possibility of not happening. It’s great to be prepared, but we also have to live our lives as well 👍
Thanks for being reasonable. A single guy I know flexed that he he had 12K rounds. How are you going to move that if your house catches on fire?
Weird reason to not stock that much, if you can. Seems like the same argument could be said of why stockpile at all, when SHTF might be Russia nuking us and you get vaporized immediately anyway. I don't think how much you can get out of your house, if it caught fire is a good limiting factor, in my opinion.
One thing I used to do is when ever I got ammo to go shoot I would buy that same amount to store. But it’s harder to do that now😅
The prices are brutal out here!
Bare minimum 1000 rounds in a can with all mags loaded. I'd say that decent enough. Hauling around too many cans is a bad idea.
Let me answer this for you "How Much Ammo Is Enough For SHTF?" its never enough.... No one who has been in a firefight has ever said "holy crap we have too much ammo, thank god we have these slave state 10 round magazines or we would be loading forever."
Yea, get plenty of 556 because you're gonna need it. Stopping power is for rodent control. I'm speaking from work experience.
I fully agree!
Question. So how much of this is dedicated to self defense rounds?
Great video! What is the chest rig you are wearing in the beginning of the video?
The TREX ARMS quad chest rig
Remember the day when 223 was .27 a round and it came with metal cans
Good video!
I was literally thinking about this scenario last week. In my mind, I thought I needed at least 1000 rounds of hollow points.. but I guess target ammo is fine as long as I know what’s behind the target.
Ideally hollow points is better. But the way I see it is if shtf and you end up having to use your firearm, I think you’re in a horrible situation regardless. Obviously I don’t know every scenario, this is just speculation. But more often than not, you’ll be fighting for your life. And at that point I believe shot placement is more important than a specific round.
1. 223 Target ammo is just fine (a little cheaper )..
2. 90% won’t be engaging beyond 50 yards..
3. Dump most of your gun collections, keep 1or 2 solid handguns and 1-2 rifles,
invest in night vision / thermal ..
Edit : 4 invest in level 4 armor and helmet if you can.
@@Mr.R_McCall you read my mind about Thermal. I mentioned this earlier to concrete cowboy. Hopefully he dabble with some videos about it. Never used it before but I feel like it’s literal CHEAT CODE.
Great video 👊🏾👊🏾👊🏾
Full up all the magazine you own, bare minimum. 120 rounds at all times, oops 300 rds at all times, Stock pile as much ammo as you can. Stock pile rule 1000 rds for each weapon you own, and 100 for training. So 10 times for training if the SHTF, then your out of ammo. Maybe a few 1000 rds for each weapon. 14.99 for a box of blazer Brass, 259.00 for 1000?? MMM interesting. Got to go get some Blazer Brass.
Do you recommend stocking hollow points/self defense ammo for 9mm or FMJ?? Strictly for a SHTF situation
Enough to get off the X and live another day is enough for shtf
I have rifle ammo separate for the range and for shtf in 5.56. I also have the same for 9mm.
Thinks the way
Do you buy hp or fmj for stock piling?
However much the gun cost. You shud have 3x that amount in rounds minimum. Then you start buying ammo for training lol
Never heard of this formula, but I like it. In that case I need 5k rounds. So I’ve got some work to do!
I don't think magazines is a good measurement. I applaud your effort tackle this impossible question though. Any type of situation that would require stockpiling ammo, is going to last long enough to reload, and cardboard boxes are lighter than magazines. In reality it's about levels of SHTF. Are we talking the recent rioting that lasted a single night? The 90's riots that lasted days? New Orleans after Katrina which took a couple weeks to restore order? Or, the "real" SHTF Red Dawn/end of western civilization? For a single night of looting, you would probably be fine with 2 mags and 1 box of 50rds; I never saw footage of rioters storming people shooting at them in human meat waves. That is the most likely, and could really happen at any time, scenario. A couple days, probably good with 100rds, but 200 is better. A couple weeks; probably still good with 200, cause that's a lot of defending yourself. "Real" SHTF; never enough. Really never enough. I used to be on a big kick, trying to buy one of every caliber, so when supplies get low I've got something that shoots what ever ammo I can find. I like the few thousand per caliber number; however, the chances are extremely unlikely, so take your time building up to that. I like the idea of buying a little regularly method; it's not the cheapest, but you can build a major stockpile before you know it.
Too much ammo is never enough...still need to practice and restock...rotating stock of 1k
i do something similar, i just buy a little every paycheck. i usually just use the ammo i bought for the range and try not to go into my stockpile. but if i do i replace it.
Sounds about right!
Gosl 10k of each cal I own... once I got to 10k of each now I'm going for 15k per caliber
Rattle can looks sick
Here in Texas academy has steel 9mm monarch target ammo for $10 a box of 50 rounds now it’s target ammo so don’t use it as self defense
Dang those are some good prices
Cool content bro. Subbed.
What chest rig you rockin?
TREX ARMS quad chest rig
lols, 300 rounds on your vest plus additional in your pack. If you going through all that and not dug in somewhere on the front line you either a shit aim or not known when to egress from the situation.
Best advice would be to follow western military doctrine for this matter, we have been doing this for decades. Funny video tho, thx.
You guys keep your magazines loaded?
Yes sir! You actually wear out the spring more by loading and unloading it. I used a friends magazine a while back that he had loaded for years, and it had more spring tension than all my mags I use for matches
@ConcreteCowboyx Awesome info and thanks for a great video