KEN ONION WORK SHARP GOOD & BAD REVIEW WITH BLADE GRINDER ATTACHMENT
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- THIS IS A KEN ONION WORK SHARP OUTDOOR SHARPENER WITH BLADE GRINDER ATTACHMENT GOOD & BAD REVIEW
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No disrespect but read the instructions. The problems you had would have been avoided.
It's pathological. I'm sure it happens (or will happen) to most of us in any of our life endeavors...
He clearly can’t read
@ Neeves Knives I have learned over 50 years that it is best when you are using a system to follow manufacturers directions and in this case reading the instructions you were sent in the packaging.
I caught that too.
The manufactures opinion is like every other opinion except written by lawyers.
Thanks Jared - great review, we appreciate your thoughts!
Im making a new video, im not happy with how the first video came out and im going to take it down, i failed in using the tool correctly and its absolutely not excusable, i apologize about the first video and will absolutely re due it the way it shoulda been done from the beginning, i appreciate your kindness in wanting to work with us and i want to make it right. Thank you guys for being so awesome
Instructions say low speed with 1 inch per second strokes and stop on the tip releasing the trigger on the system to stop the belt as not to round off the tip..plus there is a chart for which belts to use..i.e. heavy grit for re profile or medium to fine grit for touch up ,and hone..,but saying and doing are two very different things I plan on testing this system out as well.
4:10 the vibration is very low it doesn't move.
- Turns it on it vibrates and moves... lol
This may sound silly and I know I’ve never tried it before, but just how hard is it to take a thumb stud off then reinstall when finished?
Good video, I have had this setup for years, just FYI... you don't need to take out the screws to remove the angle guide, it just pulls off. (It has notches/detents so it snaps into place,)
Yeah thank you i quickly learned that after, i appreciate you trying to help though, i have a long term video coming soon that will hopefully be better than the lasts
That attachment is over price... $70-$100 for a $25-$30 attachment all because the name *ken onion* is slap on it. In reality you are paying a extra 40-70 for ken onion name.
Yeah that seems to happen
The problems you’re having could have all been avoided by reading the instructions. Place the knife on the belt where you want the grind to start, turn on the machine, turn off the machine when your tip is at the mid-point of the belt. Just use your left hand to turn it on and off instead of using the trigger lock.
This is an old video and ive done a couple videos talking about the mistakes i made
Agreed
Using your left hand to turn off the machine? How inelegant. Think outside of the box. Purchase a foot operated (pedal) power switch$20~$30, all sorts of styles, on Amazon.😊😊
Great review, learned a lot! Many thanks 🙏🙏🙏😊😊
@Eric Freutel
It's not a sewing machine ya know. 🤣
Thanks for the great, informative video. What did you mean by "tape up the knife if you're worried about scratching it?"
Your freehand skills are on point! And some of the best I've seen.!👍
You can buy a leather belt for the grindiner attachment. It works great for stripping. Slap compound on it put the machine on low rpm and it will polish the heck out of your blade. The more you use this machine the better you get
You know you can remove thumb studs
The guide actually pops off no removal of screws
Did you profile the edge as well? or did you just sharpen the edge? If you did both then you did a good job. In my opinion a good sharp knife needs to do more than just cut through paper. It has to cut through paper with a good amount of ease to where you can hear the sound. It sounds different than other knifes and it is also able to cut in any direction such as curves into the paper without any hang ups.
I would make an update on the video just a text or something saying that the guide slides off instead of unscrewing those two screws because anyone you to use in the sharpener are going to think That you have to unscrew those when in fact you don’t it just lslides off
I’ve been sharpening on belt sanders for years and this machine with the belt grinder attachment is still my go to. I’m practicing more and more with stones but man it’s really easy for me to just say f-it and go to this machine. Plus u can get 1x18 3M trizact belts so yeah.
I just finished sharpening some of my knives and all take hair off my arm. I wish I had purchased the model that locks the angle but only because I am forgetful and forgot to check during my first use and when changing a belt I moved the angle and didn’t notice right away….oops…. Great system for great price.
So far this is the best review I've found for this system. Thanks a ton for the info and advice.
I havent had mine not even a year. And its broken already. We took good care of it. But the plastic when you remove the assembly cassette right at the wheel that spins the sand paper . If you look at the plastic on there right where-the spinner attaches the sand paper assembly is cracked I don’t know how it happened but it doesn’t even work anymore. The motor is fine When the spindle spins but when you try to put the attachment back together it won’t stay on…..its loose cause of the black plastic is almost sheared off. Very dissapointed
I have the worksharp without the attachment, I just took the angle guide off and freehand all my knives. Got rid of any issue you described. Use a sharpie to determine factory edge angle boom done.
This person obviously is biased and doesn’t know how to use the Ken Onion model. To remove the angle guide, you pull it straight up. No screws need to be removed. Also, the edge guide rotates out of the way. Learn the machine by watching the Work Sharp videos! Not this guy!
You don’t need to remove the screws to remove the angle guide, that can be removed freely just pull it out
Thanks Bard appreciate the info
I just got 1 and I cannot sharpen a knife with it. I like my knives razor sharp not sure what I’m doing wrong.
Hey man, you need to get a sleep study done for your sleep apnea. It will help you stay around longer. I had somebody reach out to me too and I thought they were nuts until I looked into it. I can save your life and you’ll feel 100 times better every day. I got no reason to tell you any different. Love your channel
Dude sounds like John Malchavich and Kermit the Frog had a love child, and this poor bastard fell off the lily pad for 3-5 minutes. The damage is done.
There isn't any good reason why someone who isn't old or imparied couldn't freehand sharpen imo. The only reason I got this was because of the elite attachment otherwise I'd have zero interest. Super handy for reprofiling and grinding blades if I don't want to whip out the choseras. I'd like to get a professional belt grinder one of these days.
I just got mine and have been playing with moving the settings, etc... On the angle guide... Just pull up... Do not remove the two screws... It come right off and then will click back in place when you want to put it back...
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This thing scares the crap out of me to be frank, all powered sharpeners do.
Every 250 dollar knife this thing f's up makes it 250 dollar more expensive.
I know what you mean
Agree !
Hi Klaas, I have one but I only use it on kitchen knives and tools. It rounds the tip of the knife. I DO NOT use it on my good knives. I have the Lansky diamond system and I like it. Take care, Mickey
So I have a field sharpener it works good cuts paper but it won't take hair off why is that?
You should disclose that the company sent you the product FIRST THING, so people don't waste their time watching a (potentially) biased review.
You should read descriptions and watch part one before commenting, so you don't leave stupid comments, and people don't waste their time listening to a (potentially) Karen.
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I think that the Ken Onion attachment is neat, but I seriously need to adapt to the freehand game. I've been stuck on a Lan
sky, never got out of it. Any tips?
I can tell you unless you are sharpening small knives go for bigger stones. I got a 2x5 diamond stone and it's a pain to use on anything but folders.
Absolutely, first thing check out my sharpening tips and videos in my play list, also worksharp has some really cool diamond stones with guides that could seriously help even that little one i just reviewed is awesome
Nothing at all wrong with Lansky. No great reason to "get out of it."
Just pull the head up buddy you don’t need to unscrew anything it will just come out when u pull up hard
I have this system and I love it. It’s so quick. I’m not picky with having a perfect sharpening job. I would like to get into freehand one day and learn how to sharpen the way you do Jared. You are badass!! This system is great for quickly sharpening cheap kitchen knives. Some people complain about how difficult super steels are to sharpen and they spend like an hour on their fixed angle system. I’m not trying to spend an hour sharpening a knife.
And thats awesome, not everyone wants to or can spend the time to sharpen and this makes easy work out of getting a sharp knife, usually it only takes an hor to sharpen what your reprofiling or taking out a massive chip, when your using the right stones 20-30 min can get you a fine edge, also the thickness of the knife makes a difference if its thin it's very quick. But i think the work sharp is a great system especially with the attachment
Thanks for the video!
One major issue I had with the KO were uneven bevels. I've spoken to another owner & he was surprised when I pointed out that the guides & belt leave a taller bevel on one side than the other. I ficked & fuddled around with it a lot to see if it was me... nope. He and many others have that issue.
I noticed that to.Youd think that wouldn't be an issue for what they cost
Spent too much time showing his knives than showing the sharpeners!
Just grab the guide and pull up it comes right off
I know i figured that out after having it a while ive done a couple videos since
Do you need the grinder attachment if you buy the Ken Onion Elite Tool Sharpener?
yes yes yes i dont know anyone who doesnt prefer it over without
Bro, the guide just pops off. Just pull up, dont unscrew anything. Jeez. This guy's doing a review with a whopping 40 dollars worth of knives.
Yeah i know, and im doing a long term video soon after working and using it for a while, im a pro freehand sharpener, so im not going to put my hinderer or shiro through a machine that i dont have a ton of time on
Only an idiot would use one of these on a good knife . Jerad is a master sharper.
@@garyjacobs2789 thanks Gary
Wow, you actually have used this sharpener.
I own one for my kitchen, and Spyderco knives. It has the limitations you spoke about, but it also makes scary sharp edges.
I special ordered a stropping bat...😇👍
Nice! I just recently ordered a new strop from viking and its decent, but the leather i got from badger leathers was real nice and very affordable
@@NeevesKnives thanks my brother.
Glad I got this for my thick bushcraft knives and axes! Especially my Tom Brown Tracker and the Skullcrusher! The work sharp Guided system with the upgrade stones will be what I get next month. So I can practice my hand sharpening skills too. Thanks for all the valuable information you share!
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I don't need the grinding guides, I can do find the angle without it.
Very helpful Thanks.
I bought this system, without the attachment, to quickly sharpen the cheap, multitools and other knife like objects I get when buying used knives in bulk. I am not happy with it for the reasons you identified.
The attachment does help but also you can use the best from the reg system the same way and it can work great im going to end up doing another video on the system after a little bit
No one seems to read worksharp manual.
It looks like this system still scratches the heck out of the blades on sides. Just like the older ones. Do you agree?
well this is not the brand new version however i do have a video coming very soon
13:15 Yeah, it's in the instruction manual bruh
Good lord man could have made a real solid 10m video without 30min of rambling
This is am older video I was still learning, I actually have the new version v2 and I'm making a video now on it
Seems like the problems you are having could have all been fixed prior to having the problem in the first place by just reading the included manual. 🤷♂️
This machine can produce perfect results. Anyone who complains about things like rounded edges or anything like that, just hasn't learnt how to use it. 100% user error.
The lifespan of the electric motor is not mentioned.
I've been searching on Google.
I've watched all the reviews on TH-cam.
I know on the other models the lifespan is only 30 hours wich is ridiculous in my opinion.
I am working in a electric motors factory and our motors are coming back after few years just to repaint them.
I just ordered this model on amazon and I hope for the best.
Thanks for review.
Do you think you could grind primary bevels with the attachment? I've watched a lot of videos about this unit now, nobody seems to cover this area, their marketing ploy suggests that this is a machine knifemakers could use, Would be interested to know your thoughts as I"ve just purchased the base model but can now see that the attachment is kind of a neccessity.. Cheers from Mike, Waikato, New Zealand..
Yes you absolutely can, they also have even coarser belts you can get to make work even easier
I have with good results
How would this work for an S90/M390 Steel?
I wouldn't doit unless it's a very large fixed blade, you want to use diamond on those steels
You would still be able to get a 🗡 sharp if you lost half your hand in a sword fight
yes but you will probably need some practice lol
5 minutes of info in 45 minutes.
That guy that you were talking about removing two screws to remove the guide. All you have to do is pull with a little force. It’s a tight fit, but it does not have to be unscrewed.
HELP!! So I’m using the grinding attachment and once I get to the belts past the 120 the edge ends up not being shaving sharp at all. I see the wire edge and everything but it just does not cut as well a I would like !
Every tool has its use. The key is always the right tool for the job. This is definitely one for the tool belt! Good vid sir! ✌️
Great for tools and kitchen knives machete, fixed blades, even pocket knives with the attachment
I think this guy is a lil slow
is this the best system for convex? my bark rivers need some love, and I can't freehand for the life of humanity...
It seems pretty pointless to have an angle adjustment if there's no guide. You're just free handing it so why not just use a belt sander? This seems like a design fail to me.
The angle guides are on there, you can adjust it to the angle you want
@@NeevesKnives the angle doesn't really make a difference if you're just eyeballing it from level. They shouldve had the level platform meet the belt where the proper angle is. That seems pretty obvious. You could make a jig out of wood to achieve the same result but why wouldn't they just design it that way to start with?
@@ethancntower8850 its pretty easy to hold it level but i know what you mean
Wish you would quit putting your thumb on the knife edge. If you do that with one of my knives, your going to bleed.
I'm a professional freehand knife Sharpener, I know my way around edges
@@NeevesKnives I know a lot of professional farmers that are missing fingers, and I've seen more than one professional construction worker taken to the hospital because of a nail gun incident. From the viewers perspective, we can't see that your brushing your thumb laterally across the blade to feel how well it catches the skin. Just don't want anyone to get the wrong idea about how to treat a sharp blade.
You slide off the guide no screws need to be removed I’m sure you know by now but for anyone who’s new to using the sharpener
I have owned the Ken Onion grinder knife sharpened for many years and I think it is garbage so just recently I purchased the grinder attachment and I'm waiting for it to arrive.
I do pretty well with the angle guide, mainly because I bought belts that don’t come with like an 80 grit and a 12000 grit
Too Much Distance to the belts on the Blade Grinder. Not Well Thought Out
So you place the knife on this "guide" thing and then you remove it and place it on top of the belt. Angle doesn't change at all does it, ever?
Man what buck is that ? It’s got such a nice profile
I like you in a non homo way you seem like a genuine dude love the vids and you ehhhhh just effing around but yeah love the vids man keep em coming no homo
I can never get the blade angle right with this thing, It's crap
Well if you can't get an angle right you know what you need to work on, work on holding your angles or figure out a way that helps
Watching to try to use guides is like watching me try to freehand lol
What is the knife you are holding at 25:25? It looks amazing.
Rassenti snafu 2.0
@@NeevesKnives Thanks!!
Qsp 🐧 I see you
..re - pulling out - seems to be good advice on a lot of things in life...
Facts
I’m wondering how well I can sharpen chisels and plane irons with the attachment.
I'm not sure what you mean by "toothy edge".
A toothy edge is a lower grit edge, or an edge with lots of bite
I'm sure someone told you you don't have to remove any screws to remove the cassette. Read the instructions before you do a review
I’m a man I don’t read instructions lol, I’m obviously joking but not really this was only the first video, but I still stand by my thoughts on the system after years of use
@@NeevesKnives I've used oil stones in the beginning, waterstones and DMT Diamond Stones until I recently bought the Work Sharp can onion Edition. And it totally takes the guess work out of everything. My only concern was putting a convex Edge on but it Cuts Like Crazy I have a huge amount of carving tools and I can take the cassette off and do a lot of my gouges. And my spoon carving tools are now a piece of cake to sharpen
@@johnmock1008 I usually dont use it for folding knives i mostly use it for large folders cheap chef knives, and repairs before using stones.i prefer stones much more as the edges are superior, however i do think its a great system for those not able to get a quality edge on a stone or dont have a fixed angled system, but its still a good system imo
Do you think you can do a serrated knife on this sharpener? Like a bread knife? I’d love to see you show some advice on that.
With the 3d printed riser its an awesome device!
Literally, every problem you mentioned, could be solved by reading instructions, or watching their videos.🤦♂️
I've done multiple videos and admitted that
I'm looking for a sharpener I can use to set the angle then use my Mitsumoto Sakari sharpening stone to finish. I'm a professional chef that need to keep my 50 + year old carbon steel sharp. The group I use regularly are my Japanese sushi, veg knifes and my carbon steel American knifes are valued at $3500.00 for the set. The last thing I need is brunt or a bur edge left by most power tools on one of my 500 dollar beveled edge nakiri or Yanagiba. I might give this a shot for my cheaper stainless henckels and wusthof knives you can buy today first. The only thing I didn't like is you are distorting the belt as you pull through and this would round the angle over dulling it.
If you want to go very professional then the TS PROF Blitz is a great and superior option, this system imo is great for fixed blades, axes machetes, exc.. and the edges are good, they don't burn the edges, but for very professional edges, watch my TS PROF Blitz video. Andis you really want to learn Sharpening sign up for Mt membership program I'm teaching professional Sharpening from freehand to fixed angled exc..
Both of these are good but the new attachment is just brilliant. 👍🇬🇧
Did that real large knife have a scandy and then a secondary bevel?
This video was so helpful. Thank you!
This is the lee load all 2 of knife making lol I want one a few cold steels will be modified soon
I am curious how did it do sharpening d2?
You keep saying static is picking up the shavings. I would think that the static could easily be discharged. Is it possible the moving shavings still on the belt are aligning the magnetic poles of the iron within the knife turning it into a slight magnet?
I'm not sure that made sense, but I hope you get what I'm saying. Cheers.
It's very possible, and using a dryer sheet will help
I'm interested in the setup, but have yet to find a video as decryptive as this one, that includes: mower blades.
I like the note on the beveled edges. As mower blades have them as well. (though most people grind them flat like your "V" example..)
If you could make an in-depth review on mower blades, that'd be great. And would probably score you lots of more views.
Maybe with a mower blade that's beaten, and nicked, being restored on it. Along with one that's just ready for its first sharpening after use. (just dull..)
As I find, a lot of people tend to have a hard time keeping, not only the 30° angle when sharpening them, but also keeping the factory beveled edge. While doing so.
And IMPORTANT NOTE, for EVERYONE:
STOP presharpening your mower blades before install, after buying them new.. Please. Waste of time, and money.. Mower blades come presharpened. The "blades" are painted black (or colour of blade), so you DON'T cut yourself on the way home with it. Just install, and let mower run for couple minutes. The rpms of the blade turning in the grass, will take the paint right off for you. 👍
Thanks. And good video regardless.
👊 I almost did a lawn mower blade video a while back I will Definitely keep that in mind
Pretty cool! Definitely nice for a quick sharpening would also be nice to go thru and do all the kitchen knives at once. Great review 👍
Definitely you could do all your fixed blades and kitchen knives in an hour, and im saying that without knowing how many you have because it makes for fast results, and im getting better and better with the machine and my results are fantastic, im definitely going to make an update video in a month or so
Absolutely smashed the review bruv!
I subscribed...good video do you recommend the full system on long blades...swords...Katana as that is my collection per my channel...I find it difficult to keep the same angle when I finally get to the point...29" blade...do you have any recommendations as how to use this properly with a long blade?
😊 thanks
I would definitely use the grinder attachment, the same way i did would work great
what belt dose the BLADE GRINDER ATTACHMENT use?
1" ×18" 👍
I was thinking about this for blade reprofiling but I'll just get the ws precision adjust elite and just spend a little more time on the edge. I just don't like the possibility of rounded edges.
This works great for larger blades, or for chip removal, blade grinding exc.. I use it often along side freehand Sharpening and fixed angle system Sharpening
Having used both parts of the Ken onion edition....I can say that your method for the blade grinding attachment was spot on...but you were way off with the standard attachment. First off you are supposed to place the knife in guide them power and pull as soon as you trigger.....if not after several sharpenings you will begin to develop a recurve...secondly you are not supposed to pull the blade fully through...you learned the hard way by rounding your tips....had you fully read the provided materials this would have been avoided.
All in all it was a very good presentation on what I consider a very versatile system.
I'm not saying it's the end all be all....but it's a very handy tool in ones sharpening arsenal.
I agree, also i didnt have an issue with recurving the knife but i definitely learned the hard way with the tip, however the attachment makes it very easy and its a great system for many tools and blades, my biggest issue with the basic guided system was getting to the choil, which was only possible when not using the guides, I appreciate you watching and giving some feedback
@@NeevesKnives your very welcome. I like the content so I subbed.
We are a small tight knit community.....if we can't help each other what's the point.
For the record, I was able to make the critique because I learned the hard way....in typical guy fashion....instructions...who reads instructions....lol
Then I learned.
There are so many that bash this system....if they can only take off the blinders...they can see a very useful tool.
There are pros and cons to every system....some are great at a certain thing, and not so much in other areas.
I once told the owner of a very popular system that I look at it this way....they are tools...it's better to have a tool and not always use it, then to need said specific tool for a job and not have it.
@@fldiverjc4496 what you said is so important and is what makes this community great, and also sometimes can be the down fall, and that is what i said to many people is that with every systems you can have issues or do damage, theres always a learning curve, hey bud if your able to we are going live in 30 min 730 our time if you can or want to, come through right here on the channel live we talk to everyone and its usually a good time
@@NeevesKnives what time zone
@@fldiverjc4496 central in 6 min
Sharpening the tip is what gets me
How is it with swords?
Good but it's going to rely on your ability to hold the blade stable
By not getting the back of a knife is that bad ? I don’t tend to use the back of my knife when I cut
The first part of your edge
Got one of these a few years ago as a gift. I had always used a Lansky. I did mess up a few tips and have not used it again. I will be getting the other attachment. Thanks for the video.
The ladies seem to like this one Jared 😆
Lmfao
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