This is such a brilliant conversation about masculinity and how the goal posts are being shifted by online discourse. As a middle school teacher I try so hard to help young men understand that masculinity is not defined by lambos and ladies, but integrity and respect.
I think an aspect of "aggrieved entitlement" that was a bit glossed over was the fact that young men feel like they're still under the same pressure from society to be natural patriarchs, but don't have the support network that their fathers had. It's not just that they're losing out on a thing that's nice so have, but the very tools used to fulfill what it means to "be a man" are being dismantled. And the only group that consistently recognizes that frustration as valid is, regrettably, the "manosphere". Unfortunately, the manosphere also instinctively knows that this frustration is what keeps them in business, and so instead of actually helping men by dismantling the idea that they _need_ to be patriarchs, the manosphere doubles down.
I think it glossed over the actual problem and it doesn't help democrats. I don't think gen z man experience the same gender divide that other generations experienced but are still told by the left and by the women in their life that they are privileged. Gen z man goes to college at lower rates than gen z women and that have a great consequence in their dating lives, college educated women are not very likely to date non college educated man so they options are rather limited. That together with how toxic and competitive the modern dating process has become is really fulling a wave of misogny in these people, which of course is not doing them any favors.
Exactly! He reminds me a bit of my dad too. Army vet and all. The thing about real men is they don’t need to put a woman down to feel strong. They’re perfectly comfortable with lifting other people up because they’re perfectly secure in their positive masculinity.
YES! He has MAN SKILLS and understands basic human compassion toward all people. Man skills I noticed lacking among my trust-fund peers in college (I wasn’t one of them): not being able to put air in your car tires, not knowing how to check your oil, being afraid of killing spiders, not knowing how to do laundry so they would just throw clothes away after wearing and by new ones, etc etc. I had one guy whose fave color was pink sigh contentedly with his head in my lap and say it was so cute how I knew more about football than him. Broke up with him the next day. THESE ARE PROBLEMS GUYS!!! When I saw Walz made a video as gov about changing a headlight , I was SOLD. DAD/man skills !! Bring ‘em back!!!!
Tim Walz really should do the podcast bro circuit - now and also (fingers crossed) regularly throughout his term as Vice President. That includes Rogan, Lex Fridman, Theo Von, etc. He would be perfect for this and it’s politically urgent.
Doug Emhoff is another! Before I knew aught about K Harris beyond Biden picking her for VP, I saw Doug on a chat show saying he'd divested himself of stocks to go be Second Gentleman! I felt that showed an awesome level of support for his wife, and a degree of seriousness about public service from the 2 of them that can set a rare example in our political climate! Doug looks good on her! I was hoping Harris would pick Walz for their matching grins and the, well, joy he could bring as her colleague. When Doug called Tim his "new best friend", I hope he wasn't just wisecracking about the public hug, because Tim & Doug also seem to have compatible cheer.
@@Iskander448 Trump's great success has been motivating alienated voters to vote. he fundamentally reshaped the GOP that way. But if you are getting your info from people like Tim Pool and Alex Jones it's better if you don't vote.
I'm a 50-year-old Canadian university professor who watches most Crooked Media podcasts AND many podcasts by stand-up comedians, including Theo Von and Tom Segura. I hold very left wing views and probably have what the right wing calls Trump Derangement Syndrome. While I may not represent the typical demographic of Theo's podcast, there's probably a larger overlap between his audience and yours than you might imagine. Also, he recently interviewed Bernie Sanders and, unlike with the Trump interview, agreed with Bernie on most political issues. Hopefully, the 20-30-year-old viewers got something out of that episode as well.
As with the author of this comment, I listen to all of the above, to include even more edgy comedy shows/podcasts, and in my late 40s. Your comedy bone isn't dictated your political leanings. Both David Sedaris and Stavvy's World have their place, even if they might not be for everyone - just like Monty Python ain't ever going to be for me no matter how hard I want to be that sophisticated.
Hello my northern brother. I am now a 40 year old stay at home father, who once held pretty right leaning views, and now consider myself much more left leaning. I too likely suffer from TDS , generally the itching and burning doesn't last for more than an hour, I'm one of the lucky ones. Together we can raise awareness about this horrible illness and eradicate the source of this nasty syndrome. Imo, these are not the democrats of the 90's nor are they the republicans of the 2000's. I think it's ok for us to evolve how we feel politically, as I believe the parties are shifting and evolving as well. Point being, I too am not his typical audience, but I only started to care about politics in the past few years, as well as I'm a big advocate for mental health and more specifically for recovery services and general addiction support. That's where Theo comes in, he's in that circle as well. He may hold some beliefs I do not, but he also cares a lot about some subjects I'm very passionate about. He's a great interviewer, as well and I don't feel like he's one of the ones in that circle that's just straight up lying and leading young men astray for clout. He might have his skeletons but that's my takeaway from him.
@faybancollins my god. I can tell you're a corporate media Schill. No one but old people care about MSM or "convention speeches." Tons of people tune into podcasts on a daily basis. When Harris loses, you'll all be screaming "Why was Comrade Kamala not doing these shows?"
The conversation is in the context of Theo Vonn being in recovery and cocaine being the main issue. Trump has always been sober and talks about that pretty frequently as his brother Fred struggled with alcoholism and I think his dad. I’m a 34 year old female and love Theo Vonn and think the podcasters are way off on this and lumping him with Joe Rogan and Andrew Tate somehow. I live in Berkeley and am very radical left.
Feels like this is a missed opportunity for Harris and definitely for Walz. Feels like they are hitting their base too much and not going after these low information voters.
Yeah, it feels like the Dems are missing where a lot of young Americans actually get their information from. And these are people who also won’t show up on polls.
I’m a 44-year-old woman (same age as Theo), and I’ve been a viewer of his podcast for almost 2 years. I watched him on Road Rules in 2000, which is how I originally discovered him. Always thought he was super goofy and genuinely sweet. I was actually kind of shocked when he had Trump on his show. I watched it though and it was just kinda cringe. Trump should never ever be normalized. Anyway, that’s my $0.02. 🤷🏻♀️ edit: And I still love Theo.
He will be normalized if she doesn't go on his show because there will only be one option. This is why the donkeys need to stop ignoring these platforms. Trump changed the game. Stop fighting reality, accept it, and adjust strategically.
Theo is great but his talent is that he can make ANYONE look good. Trump is doing EXACTLY what he needs to- he’s targeting that 50-thousand low-political-information swing voters in the few key districts that swing Electoral College votes- even if you lose the popular vote. He knows EXACTLY what he’s doing. I know Theo’s audience, I watch Lex - I know who watches him- Trump is winning votes without even trying- to the group most likely to think of Harris as an unknown. There are no trans or LGBTQ folks or birth age women or seniors in those demographics. They have nothing to lose in 2025- in fact the people who do, annoy them. Trump just won that whole demographic in one round of being a fun interesting guy who came to them.
I just think he was more proud that he was able to pull a guest like that instead of thinking of the ramifications of entering that kind of sphere with having that tier of guest. You can tell he was just there for a chat, but in reality he was normalizing one of the most powerful and dangerous men in the world. For an introspective guy, Theo really should have thought more about this ahead of time.
As a Gen z man who listens to both Theo von and offline (occasionally), this interview made Trump look pretty good, which is scary. It was Trump at his most normal and relatable, and least angry. These guys have a huge audience, and Kamala or her surrogates need to try to get into this scene. We can't dismiss them all, even if some are really dumb. Theo had on Bernie the other day, so he's willing to listen to other ideas. Gotta meet people where they are.
I totally agree. For the Joe Rogan, Theo Von, Lex Fridman crowd, vast majority are young men, but in terms of political affiliation, my guess is 30% are right wing, 20% are left wing, and the rest are moderate/independent/apolitical. The only people doing outreach to this crowd are right wing politicians and influencers trying to persuade that 50%. That’s a big reason why Gen Z men are tending rightward. Because, other than Bernie (who has gotten a ton of respect from them for it), democratic politicians just don’t show up to their media sphere. When they say they feel “forgotten,” this is what they mean. This is a HUGE slice of the persuadable electorate. They value long form podcasts because it makes guests seem human and authentic. They don’t trust interviews on mainstream media because they assume they are scripted and carefully choreographed. If Kamala doesn’t show up to a long form podcast for the entire campaign, people will assume she is just another politician who is afraid of going off script and therefore untrustworthy. In order to vote for someone. They want to make sure they are a down to earth human being. If Kamala can just show up on Joe Rogan and be authentic and show people that she is not the person right wing media portrays her to be, that would do more to boost her support than any single campaign rally. It would be a huge missed opportunity if not.
@@HeritageHannah I’m sorry but no American is an “unknown quantity.” Everyone is a potential voter and should not be dismissed. If there is no outreach or effort, then they will continue to be disengaged. The only politicians making an attempt to engage them are the right wing figures. That’s why Gen z men are trending rightward. So far, Bernie is the only one who has shown up to their podcasts, and he is universally respected by them for just showing up. More democrats need to show up and engage with them. This could be a big blind spot and liability for this election.
@@jacob56955 I think you're totally spot on. As someone who has listened to Pod Save America and Theo Von the Democrats (other than Bernie) don't really reach out to these groups of people or these areas of outreach. I think Tim Walz would be a great surrogate for this conversation in these spaces and I very much enjoyed his appearance here and on Ezra Klein's long form interview with the NYT (who Ezra himself said was probably the most natural speaking political figure he's ever spoken with in his own assessment) I'd love to see Tim Walz do an interview with Theo Von - It's really true you've got to meet people where they are.
Someone you might want to consider talking to about young men is Dr. Alok Kanojia, a psychiatrist who streams under "Healthy Gamer GG" (where he has conversations with streamers and viewers related to mental health), has published a book "How to Raise a Healthy Gamer," and runs a life coaching program. He talks a lot about the isolation of young men and how we can combat that, but also things like gifted children, anxiety, depression, autism, etc. (and of course real world/online balance).
@hash8169 Fair points. He was open about the issue related to his license, which was resolved with him keeping his license. From what I've seen, he tries to be open-minded and consider others' opinions, and he enjoys being challenged (vs. getting defensive), which is why I think he could make an interesting interview, not because I agree with everything he says. Because of his career focus, he has a lot of insight into young men who spend a ton of time online, which is why I think he'd be a great fit specifically for Off-line. He's talked at length with a lot of these young male influencers, and his platform targets a very overlapping audience.
Sure Walz can go on, but so does Kamala. A lot of the right wing Gen z bros were dunking on Kamala for “hiding” and not showing up to long form interviews, like she wasn’t intellectually capable of it or something. I think a lot of right leaning Gen z men are persuadable. She just needs to show up.
I couldn't watch more than 10 minutes of that Theo Von episodes because Trump seemed so normal and boring and it made me question reality and believe in the Simulation Hypothesis. The most depressing thing is how his Bernie Sanders interview got like 20% of the views of his Trump episode. And I do think it's interesting that he talked way more about policies with Bernie and only about irrelevant fluff with Trump, probably to avoid having to get confrontational with Trump because Theo might be more aligned with Bernie than Trump in that regard. But nonetheless the Trump episode will have more of an effect because people are more interested in UFC and cocaine than they are in social policies...
It's the same thing where people rant about Kamala being vague about her policies, when you have DT devolving into insane word salad where the transcript doesn't even read like English when asked about, well, anything. The guy was a game show host before becoming president and played musical chairs with bankruptcy, whereas Kamala was the AG of CA and VP for 4 years. Humanity is depressing
What got me was that Bernie explained e writhing to Theo yet he seemed to have forgotten when trump came on. He still couldn’t ask any substantive questions.
@@calla211trump 6 bankruptcies, great damage / destruction to Our Nation, the coup and his media company will fail all the way. No thanks. 🙏🏻🇺🇸⚖️💙🗽🩺🗳️🕊️
@@romulus_ He's big in mental health and drug recovery circles, generally a bit on the conservative side. He's pretty introspective about how drugs have made him do some crazy stuff (no surprise Trump asked him about cocaine) He's also interviewed a pretty wide array of guests, so I think he's got appeal across a pretty wide spectrum. Would love to see Tim Walz on Theo Von's podcast.
In the case of Brazil, the most salient fact which must be emphasized is that Musk is refusing to de-platform his fascist buddies, while happily de-platforming democratic critics of repressive governments.
Young men who are not interested in politics, usually don't vote. Meanwhile, young women are more likely to vote especially when abortion and fertility issues are on the ballot.
YES! Exactly but don't you think we should be focusing more of our time on the Liz and Dick Cheney endorsement of Kamala?! It's a huge boost and I'm honored that we have the big tent that welcomes the Cheney's into the fold with such open arms. YESSSS
I’m so glad you talked about the Theo Vonn interview. I saw it up the morning it was posted, and within a few hours, it had millions of views. I watched the first 10 mins before I turned it off. I was stressed about how not himself he sounded. That’s gonna work on someone. Also, don’t sleep on Theo; he reaches a vast audience. Depending on the guest, I watch him. 🤷🏾♀️
Trump's nonsense is working on the Pod as well. He is not and has never been a good golfer. He's terrible, cheats continuously, and just writes in whatever score he wants that day. Being good at golf requires extreme patience, loads of practice, and fine motor control. Does this sound like Trump?
@@hash8169 And his dad, Kim Jong Il. Supposedly Jong Il got all holes in one the first time he ever played. He also fought the Japanese by shooting at them from his mother's hip because he was only 1 but could walk the day he was born. The propaganda they try to spread is WILD
I’ve heard this as well. There’s a book about it. He’s also played a very long time including while in office and people whom have heard this version of him painted would be very surprised by his video with Bryson. He played very well.
Commander in Cheat, How Golf Explains Trump by Rick Riley. Among takeaways, how a person golfs is how they do everything. Also Trump could be a good golfer but his cheating circumvents developing a better skill set. Self defeating habits, again.
Eh... not really on this point. Trump is a known T-Totaler who doesn't indulge in or tolerate Drugs or Alcohol in his orbit... I bet he's GENUINELY uncomfortable with even the idea of drug use. Which makes the entire interaction interesting.
You honestly think Trump understands anything about anything? No, he's genuinely ignorant. He thought bleach might kill Covid, within the human body. And that scientists hadn't ever wondered if bleach could be used usefully for that. He's an absolute buffoon.
The alt right is heavily addicted to amphetamines' like Adderall, crystal meth, crack and cocaine... I lost a close friend to Jan 6th and know the inside of what goes on... It ruins their lives, families, financials and friends. I am lucky as I am immune to propaganda as some bloodlines are, I saved myself.
As a 33 yo single father to a 8 yo girl who is from Oklahoma, does things like fishing and camping, works a manual labor job, and has always voted D, but can relate to both sides that are willing to compromise, feel like I'm swimming in a sea of extremism and I find myself a little dizzy by all of this. Voting Kamala-Walz. God bless the U.S.A.
I do not mean to make light of you, but I can tell you view politics through the media lens that is forced on you by your current market. If you were to look outside the US, you would realize the democrats are hardly extremism. They are center in most countries, maybe even center right, and those countries generally do fine. Even someone like Bernie Sanders would be considered a standard left in most of those countries. Maybe branch out a bit rather than both sides-ing your politics.
I'm a melennial white man. I line up to vote D every two years because I'm a union member. I sure as hell don't do it because Democrats have done a good job of reaching out to young men in my lifetime. These podcasts are the latest example. It is such a layup to go on them. They give the most softball interviews ever. But Democrats just won't do them. Unbelievable.
Perhaps you could tell them what it is that is keeping you back and they could address it. Do businesses discriminate against you because you are young, male and white? So post secondary schools do the same? Perhaps Democrats are actively trying to shut down unions which you care about? perhaps you could be more specific on what is a healthy young white man is dealing with and why they aren't in a position where there are no external barriers to their success. What is hold this demographic back? And I do say this as an old white man, who used to be a young white man. I would complain that I came from a very poor family and had poor social skills as a child that I had to relearn as an adult, but that doesn't really have anything to do with being a young white man, does it. Maybe there is something more institutionalize right now? Something not "they are working to level the playing field for others and that means they don't pay attention to me". Yes I am not being considerate of you in this comment. I am not using the kid gloves. I hope you can handle that and come up with an actual response.
@@SilortheBlade Listen, I'm not here to debate issues. But guess what? Neither are most voters. The point is, if you want people's votes, you have to court them. As a politician, it's your job. You go on black radio shows because you want to reach black voters. If you want to reach young male voters, what should you do? Go where they are.
If your are speaking about Fred, he is the son of Fred Jr who was Donald’s Dad. So, he is Mary’s brother. Thank God they are not nuts. Trump is a sociopathic malignant narcissist. Scary guy. 🙏🏻🇺🇸⚖️💙🗽🩺🗳️🕊️
And the only reason his nephew had to ask for money is because Trump cut him out of the Will. Plus, he specifically told his nephew to LET HIS DISABLED SON DIE. Trump is an actual monster.
This should be emphasized more. People should go and listen to Fred Trump and what Donald said about his son. If you want a leader who values you as a person no matter your health status or physical abilities, Trump isn't the one.
I think with the short time with campaign they wanted to get to all the States, more than once. They are getting biggest bang they can in shorter period of time. Most rallies are televised.🙏🏻🇺🇸⚖️💙🗽🩺🗳️🕊️
@@audreywellham2413 There are 50 plus days and seven swing states. They could go to each one three more times and still have plenty of time to sit down for an hour long podcast.
@@MrTheLuckyshotI agree. It would be incredibly beneficial for her. Just for her showing up, she would gain a lot of respect among independent/moderate Gen z men. The “manosphere” podcasters are their main source of media.
As a 39-year-old man, it's hard to not sympathize with Gen Z young men. They've been shown their whole lives that Straight Protestant Anglo Men are not only the top of the food chain, they ARE the food chain. Both pop culture and the history books support this idea. And they genuinely don't know the difference between "not having absolute power" and "persecution".
It’s been like that as long as I remember and I’m 25 years older than you. The only difference is the internet constantly telling them they are better and anyone different from them are dangerous. The ideas don’t change, the delivery system does.
I don't know that the internet makes much difference. For pretty much as long as this country has existed, marginalized groups have been slowly making progress and a significant portion of straight white protestant males freaked out about it. I suppose now they're angry at all liberals in the country, rather than focusing all their hate on the black family in their neighborhood.
@@KeyDash753 Then explain to me why I supported affirmative action and the civil rights movement, yet am still hesitant about these things. Have the considered there's a difference? African Americans have only ever tried to lift themselves up, nobody is tryna tear me down. I've never seen them spend years saying how "white people are trash."
@@AChickandaDuck Depends. I am watching from Germany and it`s not really enjoyable, we are way too close to Ukraine to not be anxious about the upcoming election.
It's pathetic how few Americans understand the importance of Ukraine. Our media is so mixed up with lies and propaganda😢. True Americans do understand, will vote Harris Walz and they ARE going to Win🎉
@@trrisner37absolutely blind to what the implication is- it’s treating young men like the deplorables this time. Big mistake to be this smug. And unfortunately PSA is a bubble of smug self righteousness at times. Apart from Dan…
I think you guys are making a big mistake by underestimating how WIDE the audience for these podcasts are, especially the comedy centric ones like Theo Von. Dismissing it and showing contempt to it is a mistake as well. Lots of guys (yes, they are mostly guys) consume this content because it is interesting, wide ranging and mostly non political. I would not be surprised if there are plenty of occasional Crooked media listeners who are also occasional listeners to that material.
He's a multimillionaire real estate magnate that came up in the 80s who regularly went to Studio 54. It's adorable that anyone thinks Trump doesn't know about cocaine.
@@SuziSPSquirrel Well you're a terrible student in that case because not a single soul can attest to Trump even taking a drop of alcohol, let alone cocaine. Don't you think a single person would have at least seen or heard something? You're ignorant so I'm sure you will stubbornly deny it but there is not a shred of evidence that Trump has ever taken any form of drug.
"Talk Tuah" is a brilliant name for a podcast. I know nothing about that girl (honestly never even seen the original video).. but I wish her the very best success. I hope she grows and gets successful.
Same here! I love Theo’s podcast and I’m a dedicated listener of Pod Save America too! So nice to know I’m not the only one! (44-year-old democrat from FL [sorry] here)
This characterization really scares me. I don't know that Pod Save America is even meant to be "informative". It is, by its own admission, a _partisan propaganda network_ that wants to help drive the Democratic Party message and a be counter to Fox News and right-wing media. Yes, Crooked Media has a newsroom and some editorial standards. So do Fox and the Daily Wire. It doesn't make them a great place to get information. I think PSA is a really cool and fun place to learn about how campaigns work. But talk shows aren't news, and it's probably not great that our media diets don't include independent journalism anymore.
Like a lifetime, or at least 18 years of child support. I've mentioned this to every younger guy who seems not to realize the ripple effort is real. Positive vibes from New Hampshire, remember to be kind to each other and yourself during these trying times.
And that P25 is going to get rid of nearly all elderly care programs (of any category). Do they want to be wiping their parents butts and having their parents live them till they die ?
Since men cant force abortions, either being pro choice or pro life ends up giving men the same 0% control over pregnancies. Even if the laws are pro choice, we essentially need to just accept whatever the woman decides.
@@lor3608except when men put abortion drugs in your drink (GOP politician), except when men make laws about what women are allowed to do with their own bodies. Why is it so difficult to accept that your choice about pregnancy was made when you left your sperm where it wasn't wanted? Every abortion is caused by a man
Kamala has done enough legacy media. It’s time for her to sit with Independent Media like Pod Save America, Meidas Touch, Hot Ones (since she’s a foodie), Tim Walz should go to Barstool Sports. She should go back to Brian Tyler Cohen, IamPoliticsGirl, and Roland Martin.
Harris has walked off the rally stage after introducing Tim Walz and was being interviewed 15 minutes later. Pod Save America does not deserve an interview with Kamala Harris.
I agree with this 💯 These pod conversationd do so much for just getting a better understanding of topics. Traditional media is lacking. Its become one big gossip magazine with everyone trying to one up each other.
@@anthill1510 If she does one Joe Rogan or adjacent interview, she would persuade a lot of moderate/independent young men. It’s a huge missed opportunity for her not to do it. She just needs to show up.
@@groinBlaster31I wholeheartedly disagree. It would be a huge missed opportunity to not do one long form interview. Joe Rogan has refused to interview Trump. If Kamala could go on Rogan’s show, that would not only be a way to “one up” Trump, it would gain her an enormous amount of attention and even respect from that mostly male fanbase (and that fanbase is like 30% right wing, 20% left wing, and the rest is moderate/independent). Other than that 30% (who will troll some in the comments), there are so many persuadable voters who consume Joe Rogan and adjacent content. Kamala is an incredibly interesting and articulate person and long form interviews tend to bring positive qualities to light. She would be able to win a lot of people over. I don’t like this huge political gender gap. If she wants to be president, it would benefit her a lot to reach out to young men. Again, she would get a lot of respect just for showing up.
I think so too, but that doesn`t matter. If he is so friendly to Trump, that will a lot of his edgy audience convince to vote for Trump. Bernie is not on the ballot.
Allegedly. I am also alleging it, carefully, watching to see if my post goes through. I believe he shared more than he ingested, to increase his magnetism.
I'm a 30 year old fella in academia who is to the left of the Crooked hosts. I'm not a regular listener of any podcasts in that world, but listened to the JRE pre-pandemic and listen to occasional episodes of Lex Fridman and Theo Von these days. Mostly comes down to the guest. This assessment of the average Rogan-verse listener is mostly spot-on, but I think you've seriously underestimated how much of their audience is made up of hate-watching progressives and liberals disarmed by the charm of some of the personalities involved -- Theo Von in particular, as I think you can see in some of these comments. Trump going on this podcast tour was sort of inevitable, specially as the broader political canon presented by the less restrained hosts in this sphere (e.g. Rogan or Hinchcliffe) began to take shape. You can keep an ear to the ground in conservative spaces and hear the latest talking points or disinformation efforts pop up in the Rogan-verse a week after they hit reddit and twitter. To be totally honest with you, I've been hoping that democratic messengers (not nominees -- thinking Crooked Media or Abdul El-Sayed types) went on more of those shows to prevent an alternative perspective to listeners. As it stands a lot of these shows buy fully into anti-woke, anti-academia, pro-Trump narratives, and it leaves a lot of the impressionable listeners in a bubble that the few left-wing guests that do come on (e.g. Hasan, Destiny, Cenk) are ill-suited to help pop. Worse yet, the closer to the center of that universe you get, the more aggressive and direct the political messaging gets. I know they're just podcasts, but I do worry about what'll come of Gen Z men if this particular cultural sphere goes uncontested.
As a non American I support Brazil, it’s not up to a single American billionaire to determine free speech in another country! Every country has the right to determine its own laws and if companies want to operate they need to obey those laws.
I first learned about Theo from watching other comedian podcasts and you can tell he’s a genuinely nice guy. I think it’s unfair to lump him into the more right-coded podcasts that Max was describing. But I’m glad they mentioned the Bernie interview because it really shows how Theo and people like him are very amenable to more populist economic policies like reducing corporate power and improving the middle class. It’s definitely an untapped audience for democrats.
As someone that is 22 from rural Michigan I can tell you most of em are for Trump. Democrats need to appeal more to the working class, less environmental and social justice stuff.
OR educate those people Why ignoring climate change equals death for everyone whereas using clean energy saves our environment and creates new and better jobs! Exact same thing with social justice! Rising tides lift ALL boats! Tell your guy pals!
Just the fact that he acted like he's not familiar with coke should just show all these guys how full of crap he is, how easily he lies about everything! He was at Studio 54 all through the 70s, he was part of the Hollywood-elite scene for decades. Like "Oh does coke make you not sleep I've never heard of that" it's so frustrating!
Trump doesn't even drink. He definitely doesn't know anything about cocaine. It's pretty clear he was in unfamiliar territory. Just cause he's hung out in Hollywood doesn't mean he's doing everything in the scene. Trump definitely lies a lot, but that doesn't mean in every situation, he's masterfully lying and in control of the situation, deceiving us all. He's clearly out of his element in that clip.
For those of us around his age, yes, but there’s so many who have forgotten, & there’s an entire generation who only knows him as a billionaire who had a reality show on a major network.
As one of the few that fall in between the Venn diagram of this show and theirs, maybe don’t call people dumb that you’re trying to win votes from? You’re 2D stereotype of these people is what makes me, a gay liberal, hate the woke left culture. That said, I can’t stand Trump being on those shows.😢
@@franjkav I took it as dumb bros, not goofy, but I think they think they wear it with pride. I’m an out of the box bro and I don’t think many people like being called dumb except The Von lol 😂
Maybe realize who they are talking about. You know what descriptive adjectives are right? Is that you? No? Then it would be the others who are the majority of the audience. I have nothing but laughter for the majority of Freidmans audience who are conspiracy nuts. You are not the center of the universe.
@TrueTake. The sad truth is many of them ARE dumb. People who take surface level information and base an entire world view on it, with no desire to explore deeper to really understand things. They prefer what they want to be true, not what evidence suggests. That's just kinda dumb, or intellectually dishonest at least
Who would you rather face in the woods a bear or a man? Most women said the bear, men got offended, but never asked themselves why would a woman rather face a bear. 🇺🇸💙NEW PATH FORWARD💙🇺🇸
I live in Connecticut. Black bears walk across our backyard at least once a week (and that’s just the ones I see during the day), and I know that the bears are highly unlikely to attack me if I stay away from them & their cubs. But you bet I am calling 911 if unknown men start walking across my back yard. If there were a strange man walking around my campsite at night, I would be much more frightened than if a black bear were doing the same. Now a grizzly bear? That’s different. Of course, these a
It's so strange how much of gender divide there is in US politics. Why would that be your go-to line for a political podcast. Are you a Trump bot sent out to put of male voters by connecting such nonsense to the image of democratic voters
@@Tina06019 you prove my point, thank you. But why don't men ask themselves why are more frightened of men than bears, grizzly or otherwise. You can still get away from a grizzly if you remain calm and don't turn your back on them, back away slowly, but a man that has the intent to harm you there is no getting away and the men usually have a gun never seen a bear with a gun or knife.
@@lindajallen3805 Men don`t need a gun or any weapon to harm a woman, not at all. They sometimes don`t even need actual violence, a lot of women freeze when they get into a dangerous situation with a man because the body realizes he is ten times stronger and decides not to fight to not get harmed more.
You can't have free speech without responsibility. If you allow people to incite hate or violence, you must also allow governments to uphold their laws. Don't close your office X or clean up your act.
The “what’s wrong with men” discourse is still very alive, at least online. A pretty popular running internet joke(?) earlier this year was whether a woman would prefer to be stuck in a forest with a bear or a man, with women largely stating they’d prefer to be stuck with the bear. It’s nothing too insulting and there’s obviously nuance to the conversation, but to the lex Friedman, Theo von, Joe Rogan audience, I think it hits their ears like an accusation pointed directly at them as men.
@@cyndyjt7571 that’s part of the problem though. I’ll go out on a limb here and guess neither I nor you personally know any of those 3 men. We know their content but not them personally. And whenever you throw people into a broad category and skip all the nuance of who they are as individuals, I think you further contribute to this hypermasculine identity crisis that we see in these corners of the internet. But that’s just my read on it.
@@cyndyjt7571 I get it, there are ample examples for why women, or anyone, would paint with a broad brush that men are dangerous. However, if an example (bear vs man example) doesn't pass the flip it on it's head test (ie. taking something negative that some women have done and then lambast all women for the actions of some) then I don't think its a fair criticism nor a useful dialogue that will help men who have toxic views of themselves and others get to a better place of enlightenment and positive masculinity. Ultimately I would imagine we would agree that we want less men who are dangerous and toxic toward women and others. We have to find some practical way to do that.
@@cyndyjt7571 And what shall we do as revenge until you start holding toxic women accountable? Seems some of my peers thing voting for trump is a good way to do that. Good job you vindictive AHs, hope our democracy was worth a fleeting feeling of powerfulness
FYI 53 yr old watch some clips of Theo cuz he is genuinely funny and raw. I watch for entertainment. But cant watch an entire episode. Watch yours for political commentary. So it is not so out there.
I listen to both you guys and Theo Von! Not every episode, though. If I'm not interested in who's being interviewed or the topic seems like it'll be a lot of rehashing, then I don't bother.
This section on white men is very important! I’ve been doing research on white men and mental health for a while now and I think this conversation is great that you’re having on ways that men feel marginalized as we try to find equity for other groups. Thank you for talking about this!
Your glib mischaracterizations in the first half was crazy lol. To start, Theo von has little to do with the manosphere. Also, young gen z men are not primarily watching his podcast. For the first half of this episode you created a vison of what you thought this cohort was like, and it was painfully wrong. You're both my age, 40 something, but you sounded like someone in their 60's trying to pull the "all these dang kids don't wanna work anymore" by clearly not understanding the group your reporting on lol. Listen, genz are listening to adin ross, sneako, no jumper, full send/nelk boys, fresh and fit etc... Just go look at the guest theo has on, they're geared towards my age group . (ie., dana carvey, tommy lee, sal vulcano, joey diaz, dax sheperd, tony robbins, YG, rain wilson) that's just some of the recent guest from the last year, lol, come on guys, it should be a crime to lump theo in with the Rogans, tony henchcliffs, or Fridman etc.. of the world. It seems like your confusing genz with older millienals and younger gen x. And guys, I really like your podcast, i'm farther left then the host and guests at Pod Save, but I generally find you guys likable and almost comforting. But, in this epsiode, your contemptuous and smugness was really showing. It was giving off the "coastal, out of touch" liberal stereotype. Maybe, I wouldn't have picked up on that if you two weren't so wrong about your misconflations of both the manosphere and gen z men. If what I heard today is in anyway indicative of how the wider moderate democate thinks and you feel this is an important cohort, then were in trouble this novemember.
Theo Von is definitely part of the manosphere, can`t get much more manosphere than him. He is not necessarily part of redpill, though. Maybe you mean that.
I agree. I’m actually a fan of both Pod Save, and Theo Von. And I didn’t appreciate them painting with such a broad brush or telling me who I am and what I think as an audience member (most of which is untrue, just stereotypical).
It was wild to me that they admitted to only watching half of the Theo von one and they’re doing a whole show about the topic? Sloppy and unprepared tbh. We aren’t watching your show to just hear you riff guys. Anyone can do that. Actually do your research before filming a whole episode. Y’all just seemed out of touch and smug the whole time. This is a huge cohort of the electorate that consumes this type of media.
"Stop stereotyping Gen Z! Everything you said pertains to older millennials and younger Gen X." I mean at least if you are going to stereotype us older millennials, do a podcast elaborating on your views. Just because you are an older millennial, doesn't give you the right to paint older millennials and younger Gen X with one brush. Pretty smug yourself in judging two whole groups of Americans. And the worst part is your stereotyping is just to argue with a podcast. At least their stereotyping is an attempt to understand another generation. That's a noble goal to articulate your thoughts about another generation, even if you get something wrong. You can learn something now about that generation that you put your views out there. Not so noble to use us older millennials and Gen X to criticize a podcast.
abt that interview: Theo Von has the natural ability to approach people in a positive way, to somehow "disarm" them with his peaceful straightforwardness. It may have helped Trump to show himself in a more normal light, but Theo showed his personality even more (not a surprise for people who already watched his other interviews). In short, the magic is in Theo, def not in Trump
I think their is something also to be said about how quickly some of these social changes are happening. Sometimes it’s truly hard to keep up with when you’re removed from TV and social media. There is a lot of scolding and chastising that happens about issues that people aren’t aware of.
You will never be able to convince me that Trump hasn't done cocaine. The awkwardness wasn't because he's old, it was because he didn't want to say he's done cocaine but he wanted to talk about it.
So glad someone finally explained to me the hauk tua thing. I try not to be old and out of touch but for someone who remembers life before the internet your help is much appreciated. Btw, loved the show in Phoenix
It's not that men are upset that they don't have the same "privileges" as previous generations; it is that they still carry the same burden with fewer benefits. They still have to register for selective services, they are incarcerated at a higher rate, they don't get a say in child birth yet still have to support the child, they have fewer opportunities for education funding with the exception of literally risking their life by going to war (for the last 20 years anyway). Let's not over simplify legitimate complaints by just saying men are angry because they are losing privileges... I believe you're being intellectually dishonest.
Selective service registration is hardly a burden. And you do get a say - it’s when you decide to have sex, with who, and to wear a condom or not. You are reaching so hard to be oppressed
If men don't register to with SS then men can't work for the government, contract with the government, get home loans from funds funded in part or in total from the government, as well as funds for education. As for saying men have a say and it is not to have sex... flip the script on that and say hey if a women didn't want to have a kid she should have kept her knees together. That's a BS answer as is saying that if men didn't want to have kids they should have kept it in their pant. Men get upset because of double standards like this.
@@franjkavI'll also point out that these legitimate issues I raised was immediately dismissed as "ME" being a victim, and at no point did I claim to be a victim.
I am a listener who enjoys watching pod save America, the Joe Rogan experience, and the daily wire. I think it is important to take in the viewpoints of conservative media as well as more liberal media. It’s the only way to truly make up your own mind!
I listened to a bit of Theo Von . Trump used the word PARLANCE in a sentence. This is a *brilliant* tactic. Feeling SAFE changes his ability to stay present. Listeners were moved by "humility" etc AND by a host who listened to *Bernie and Trump in the same week*
WAit, wait wait. don trump knows the word parlance? Did he use it correctly? Did he add 5 really's and end with a bigly? And say it was more parlance than anyone had ever seen before?
I think Theo is so genuine he is disarming and allowed Trump to relax and not be on high alert and combative as he usually is with journalists. I'm a liberal, very cute, 71 year old woman and have recently started watching Theo. I had never heard of Theo but caught him briefly a couple of times on Rogan. I looked him up and saw John Mulaney was going to be a guest and I was in! Turns out they did not know each other. John, an erudite comic who's parents are both attorneys, at first did not quite know what to do with Theo. Comments echoed my observation. I think Theo's appeal is thoroughly engaged with every guest and doesn't use the podcast as just a vehicle for his company.
They want sympathy...they need to look in the dictionary, between shit and syphilis. Honestly, equity is suppression??!! I'm in my 50s, finally making "decent pay" but it goes nowhere. Luckily I get more than money satisfaction and I'm frugal. Positive vibes from New Hampshire, remember to be kind to each other and yourself during these trying times.
I hear someone who has never left his media bubble in his life. They are laughing at the groups detached from reality. Come join us Dennis. Come live in the actual world.
It's more than simply, "I can't make this joke anymore." It has become acceptable in a lot of left/progressive circles to overtly bash white men. On the one hand , men have gotten away with far too much crap for far too long, so maybe they're due some grief. On the other hand, if it's not acceptable to bash all these other groups, why is acceptable to bash white men? And the YOUNG men you're talking about are looking around and feeling like they're being punished for the suns of previous generations. Of they're not happy about that.
Criticism is not bashing. And “…feel like…” indicates feelings, not the reality that exists outside of one’s own self. Could it be that men generally need to work on dealing with their emotions a bit better?
@@franjkav You’re right: criticism is not bashing. And some criticism is fair and warranted. And some of what’s going on is also bashing. Those two things are not mutually exclusive. And yes, a lot of men could benefit from dealing better with their emotions. Some women could, too, though the problem there is not as wide spread. None of it is black and white, none of it is all or nothing.
@@edmundschubert4963 What is bashing? Why is it bad? This is your personal take so give your personal view. Is it being overly critical? Would making those "jokes" constantly to someone when it is unwanted be considered bashing? Would calling that hypothetical person to task also be bashing? My guess is you think a mostly decent guy who is young and doesn't get life yet makes one innocent joke and now hundreds of people come and constantly criticize him. How often do you think something even remotely like that happens? Freedom of speech is not freedom from consequences. I associate with one person who is always on about complaining about trans people and being inclusive of other groups. I put up with him because he's my best friends brother, and don't have to see him often. Is he bashing me? Or others? I point out how he is wrong in pretty much every conversation, but keep it light so the three of us can have a pleasant outing. IF he wasn't my friends brother I would tell him off. Is that bashing? Or is that me being allowed to speak my mind as he is allowed to speak his?
@@SilortheBlade I hope you’ll forgive me for keeping this at the high level, but I’m not going to address your every question and point with specifics. Actually, I agree with most of what you’re saying. Also I see in you someone who is working very hard to deny that there’s any bashing of young white men. I teach at a community college and see how freely some people are to say things about these young men that it would be 100% unacceptable to say about any other group. And I see you presenting all kinds of thoughts and ideas that say (to my understanding, anyway), that they’re just overreacting. I have friends on the political right who work equally hard to deny that white nationalism and nazis are a real thing. I’m trying to get away from the one-sided blindness that shapes so much of the discussion. We can’t fix things we refuse to acknowledge.
Went to high school with Theo, a year behind him. He was a seriously chill, laid back dude, and he was one of the few upperclassmen I have memories of treating me decently. He also wrote some funny ass shit for our English department's yearly poetry journal compilation. I vaguely recall loving one about getting attacked by squirrels in the park. I used to joke that he sold his soul to MTV to get out of suburbia (which makes it weird that his stand-up comedy seemed focused on being from a poor rural area when we lived in what's basically the suburbs of New Orleans, a major hub for commuters who drove in to the city for work). I was happy to see him succeed, even if I thought his Netflix special came across as a less polished Jeff Foxworthy. It's honestly kind of sad to see him falling this far, but I'll still respect the guy I wasn't exactly friends with, but at least friendly acquaintances with, back in the day. It also amuses me that you call him a "young" comedian when he's 44. Makes me think I'm not quite middle-aged YET.
I’m a 59 year old Liberal Atheist Florida Man who has listened to Rogan and Fridman and was a huge Musk fanboy until recently. Tesla owner since 2013. I have a CS degree and am currently working as a consultant for a Si valley startup. I’m solidly in the Harris/Walz camp and most of my “techbro” friends and colleagues are as well. The Biden admin messed up by making Musk their enemy. There is a universe where an American car company with the explicit mission is to “accelerate the transition to renewable energy” gets invited to an event about Americas leading role in that transition. Instead GM and Ford, who have consistently fought against that transition were lauded as “innovators”. Musk is an asshat and he doesn’t like unions because of course he doesn’t. But the level of disdain and smugness that snarky elites like you and the reflexive hating on billionaires is quite off-putting to young men who admire and aspire to earn wealth. Young men in their “Atlas Shrugged” phase are not being served well by the dominant media. Listen - I also believe Donald Trump is an existential threat to my country. But instead of vilifying the nerds in your high school who loved violent video games and MMA dudes, we should be aware that young women are kicking their asses in most of the success metrics that matter. There is a surfeit of psychological dysfunction among young men. That’s one reason why Tim Walz was such a brilliant choice for VP. He should be going on Rogan and Fridman and Vonn and project his wholesome service-oriented view of masculinity on a crowd that will be surprisingly receptive to it.
👏👏👏👏👏 I have to agree that if we don’t start offering alternatives young men will continue to to suffer. We have to remember what equity means. There are so many reason this world needs to allow young men to gather, and explore what responsibility, and empathy are all about without denegrating masculinity.
Tim Walz was a terrible pick when targeting males. Anyone supporting tampons in boys bathrooms, lying about his service, and protecting underage children from their parents if they want sex changes. Ummm, no real dudes like any of Walz's nonsense.
I don’t understand your take. Tesla got so much money and help from the US government. The US government also has given so many contracts to SpaceX. How much more breastfeeding do you suggest Elon needs ? Many serious people have distanced themselves from him when he started embracing the far-right and neonazis
100% this. I love these guys but they conveniently ignore the Biden administrations attempts to hold back the electrification of cars in favour of massive union corruption on the level of the Fraternal Order of Police. The whole 'you led Mary and it matters' incident is HUGELY relevant to why Elon, who famously has a condition which makes it harder for him to deal with social matters, is fed up with them. They literally snubbed the most advanced car manufacturer in the world, an American company and gave credit to a fossil fuel chugged ICE (internal combustion engine) legacy manufacturer which did not lead, and does not matter. And the whole billionaire thing is insane and irrational. Your level of money does not affect how good a person you are. A poor serial killer and a rich serial killer are both horrible people. And being poor or rich doesn't make you a serial killer. Just because Elon is right about getting to Mars, about how big a thing it will be if The Boring Company actually makes significant improvements in TBMs, and electrification of vehicles, and robotics doesn't mean his political opinions being wrong in some (but definitely not all) areas is relevant to that. Plus he was literally on their side for decades until they started being irrational to him and snubbed his companies because of unions of all archaic things to worry about. Even though his non-union workers are financially better off without being a member, by far, and are quite invested in doing good for humanity. But hey ho, I'm sure that GM worker who proclaims that EVs are bad and namby pamby is the vote democrats want, not intelligent people who recognise the importance of switching to EVs and actually want children's lungs to be full of unpolluted air.
To the young men that are whining about not being able to joke and be crass. Grow up! When you make fun of others, it’s diminishing, not just to others, but yourself. You are only hurting yourself.
There are a couple library books documenting that Trump has never won any golf tournament in his life. He claims something like 20 club championships, most which were non existent and some that he didn't play but told his lackeys to put his name on the trophy because " I would have won if I had played ". His lifetime cheating at a game told me everything I needed to know about him. No integrity or honor.
I'm getting kind of worried that Harris' team isn't pursuing these types of outlets as well. Harris should go on Hot Ones, for example. Walz should go on Lex Fridman, Joe Rogan, ESPN, etc. I'm just concerned that they're not pursuing this demographic of voters where they are.
The requirements of patriarchy/patriarchal culture makes them so delicate. The goal is to make the standard of masculinity so out of reach, so impossible to satisfy, that ANY thing (using a straw to drink, wearing pink, having your female date pay for dinner instead of you) can knock that entire house of cards down. And, couple that with consumer culture that depends on people feeling bad enough about themselves to feel that they "need" to buy a certain product to become closer to being more socially acceptable, and you've got a mess of podcast boys buying classes, strange virility pills and memberships to desperately be seen as "manly". I think I see why Trump is targeting these young guys: the world is changing so fast and instead of using those young brains to keep up and ask questions, these guys are clinging to a fantastical past that never was; which Trump pushes quite readily. 👀👀👀
If I was trying to further exacerbate the political gender gap, this is exactly the type of language I'd use. "You don't agree with my opinions? Well, then you are snowflake." sounds like a familiar tactic .
@jacobk215 Ooh, the hit dog is hollerin. Look, bro, when you're part of a group that somehow has swallowed that they loving your wife as a husband is somehow "gay", maybe the problem isn't "da liiiibs" 🤔
@@Callimo this is a shitty approach to convincing others to change their opinion is all im saying; you clearly want to rope in unrelated shit and just attack me personally. Im gay so no problem being called gay, so...
Hawk tuah podcast seems like something MTV would make a show of akin to Jersey Shore. It's just the worst of TV that people love because it is like watching a car wreck.
How many of these young men are actually going to vote, though? I fondly tell people that I voted for Ross Perot back in 1992 when I was 22 (I'm a Democrat but have always felt skeeved out by Bill Clinton) - but when I really thought back I remembered it was my intention to vote Perot, but I never actually made it to the polls. I didn't become a reliably regular voter until my 30's despite my interest in politics, and I suspect that is even more likely to be the case with young men who consume these types of podcasts. There's also the matter a lot of these young men have young girlfriends and the ever present possibility of an unplanned pregnancy, for them voting for the Party promising to maintain abortion rights might be a bigger draw than an old man talking about cocaine and UFC.
I listen to both PSA and Theon Von! Theo interviewed Bernie the week before and it was an incredible show to watch. Theo is very down to earth and spoke about mainstream politics in a normal language. Then the next week Trump rambled on about himself and OCCASIONALLY and in an insincere way, asked about Theo. It made Bernie/ left politics look amazing (which I am very left)
This is such a brilliant conversation about masculinity and how the goal posts are being shifted by online discourse. As a middle school teacher I try so hard to help young men understand that masculinity is not defined by lambos and ladies, but integrity and respect.
Thank you for your service!
I think an aspect of "aggrieved entitlement" that was a bit glossed over was the fact that young men feel like they're still under the same pressure from society to be natural patriarchs, but don't have the support network that their fathers had. It's not just that they're losing out on a thing that's nice so have, but the very tools used to fulfill what it means to "be a man" are being dismantled. And the only group that consistently recognizes that frustration as valid is, regrettably, the "manosphere".
Unfortunately, the manosphere also instinctively knows that this frustration is what keeps them in business, and so instead of actually helping men by dismantling the idea that they _need_ to be patriarchs, the manosphere doubles down.
You are on the front lines, for certain. Thank you and Good Luck!
@@havcola6983 Well said!
I think it glossed over the actual problem and it doesn't help democrats. I don't think gen z man experience the same gender divide that other generations experienced but are still told by the left and by the women in their life that they are privileged. Gen z man goes to college at lower rates than gen z women and that have a great consequence in their dating lives, college educated women are not very likely to date non college educated man so they options are rather limited. That together with how toxic and competitive the modern dating process has become is really fulling a wave of misogny in these people, which of course is not doing them any favors.
Walz is a brilliant example of positive masculinity. On a personal level, he shares many qualities with my husband. I am one lucky woman.
Walz is seen as metrosexual at best and a pedo at worse to rural America. Ask em.
Exactly! He reminds me a bit of my dad too. Army vet and all. The thing about real men is they don’t need to put a woman down to feel strong. They’re perfectly comfortable with lifting other people up because they’re perfectly secure in their positive masculinity.
YES! He has MAN SKILLS and understands basic human compassion toward all people.
Man skills I noticed lacking among my trust-fund peers in college (I wasn’t one of them): not being able to put air in your car tires, not knowing how to check your oil, being afraid of killing spiders, not knowing how to do laundry so they would just throw clothes away after wearing and by new ones, etc etc.
I had one guy whose fave color was pink sigh contentedly with his head in my lap and say it was so cute how I knew more about football than him. Broke up with him the next day. THESE ARE PROBLEMS GUYS!!!
When I saw Walz made a video as gov about changing a headlight , I was SOLD. DAD/man skills !! Bring ‘em back!!!!
Tim Walz really should do the podcast bro circuit - now and also (fingers crossed) regularly throughout his term as Vice President. That includes Rogan, Lex Fridman, Theo Von, etc. He would be perfect for this and it’s politically urgent.
Doug Emhoff is another!
Before I knew aught about K Harris beyond Biden picking her for VP, I saw Doug on a chat show saying he'd divested himself of stocks to go be Second Gentleman!
I felt that showed an awesome level of support for his wife, and a degree of seriousness about public service from the 2 of them that can set a rare example in our political climate! Doug looks good on her!
I was hoping Harris would pick Walz for their matching grins and the, well, joy he could bring as her colleague.
When Doug called Tim his "new best friend", I hope he wasn't just wisecracking about the public hug, because Tim & Doug also seem to have compatible cheer.
The fact that Trump is leading among Gen Z men is horrific to me.
When you take their maturity levels and tendency to vote into account, it is not so scary
@@Iskander448 Trump's great success has been motivating alienated voters to vote. he fundamentally reshaped the GOP that way. But if you are getting your info from people like Tim Pool and Alex Jones it's better if you don't vote.
Hollywood needs to be held accountable for trying to destroy the next generation in America. Huge reparations.
Luckily, it’s a group who is least likely to vote. Video games don’t play themselves!
Young men are horrific. I know because I used to be one. Luckily I grew out of it by the time I turned 18, but many never do.
I'm a 50-year-old Canadian university professor who watches most Crooked Media podcasts AND many podcasts by stand-up comedians, including Theo Von and Tom Segura. I hold very left wing views and probably have what the right wing calls Trump Derangement Syndrome.
While I may not represent the typical demographic of Theo's podcast, there's probably a larger overlap between his audience and yours than you might imagine. Also, he recently interviewed Bernie Sanders and, unlike with the Trump interview, agreed with Bernie on most political issues. Hopefully, the 20-30-year-old viewers got something out of that episode as well.
Same here. Hi mommy!
Same
As with the author of this comment, I listen to all of the above, to include even more edgy comedy shows/podcasts, and in my late 40s.
Your comedy bone isn't dictated your political leanings. Both David Sedaris and Stavvy's World have their place, even if they might not be for everyone - just like Monty Python ain't ever going to be for me no matter how hard I want to be that sophisticated.
@@r7ndom LMAO... FIRST time I've ever heard Monty Python referred to as "sophisticated"! British, yes... Sophisticated, NOPE. 😉
Hello my northern brother. I am now a 40 year old stay at home father, who once held pretty right leaning views, and now consider myself much more left leaning. I too likely suffer from TDS , generally the itching and burning doesn't last for more than an hour, I'm one of the lucky ones. Together we can raise awareness about this horrible illness and eradicate the source of this nasty syndrome.
Imo, these are not the democrats of the 90's nor are they the republicans of the 2000's. I think it's ok for us to evolve how we feel politically, as I believe the parties are shifting and evolving as well. Point being, I too am not his typical audience, but I only started to care about politics in the past few years, as well as I'm a big advocate for mental health and more specifically for recovery services and general addiction support. That's where Theo comes in, he's in that circle as well. He may hold some beliefs I do not, but he also cares a lot about some subjects I'm very passionate about. He's a great interviewer, as well and I don't feel like he's one of the ones in that circle that's just straight up lying and leading young men astray for clout. He might have his skeletons but that's my takeaway from him.
Doing the podcast tour is a cheap alternative to paying his debts in convention spaces across the country.
That and Barron is telling who to go on with. Valuetainment is and example. Barron watches them.
@@carolinemaybewho cares what Barron does / says ?
@@drjanines3301 Well, apparently his idiot father.
Facts
@faybancollins my god. I can tell you're a corporate media Schill. No one but old people care about MSM or "convention speeches." Tons of people tune into podcasts on a daily basis. When Harris loses, you'll all be screaming "Why was Comrade Kamala not doing these shows?"
LOL. The man lived through the 80s in New York City and partied at studio 52, He is well aware of the effects of cocaine
*Studio 54
Effects that it brings admirers if you share it.
The conversation is in the context of Theo Vonn being in recovery and cocaine being the main issue. Trump has always been sober and talks about that pretty frequently as his brother Fred struggled with alcoholism and I think his dad. I’m a 34 year old female and love Theo Vonn and think the podcasters are way off on this and lumping him with Joe Rogan and Andrew Tate somehow. I live in Berkeley and am very radical left.
Thinking the same. These guys are supposedly smart and don't know that there were drugs during the lifetime of a 78 year old?
@@adixon1120 You believe what Trump says about himself?
Do more research!
Feels like this is a missed opportunity for Harris and definitely for Walz. Feels like they are hitting their base too much and not going after these low information voters.
Bahaha... yes, all dem voters are educated and elite. 😂😂😂😂😂
Because we are too smart to fall for a felon
@@EarlyRiser71 Rogan used to talk about flat earth stuff. And, how the moon landing was faked.
Yeah, it feels like the Dems are missing where a lot of young Americans actually get their information from. And these are people who also won’t show up on polls.
They are on a campaign trail and talking to actual voters and listening to their concerns
Love from South Korea. Cannot wait to see the first female president of the United States!
65 days roughly 🎉
투표하자!
You will have to wait at least 4.5 more years.
@@EarlyRiser71 he will lose again and claim election fraud for the third time
So kind of you ❤❤❤
tRump's "personal Vietnam" was not catching the clap while nightclubbing back in the 70s. He knows what cocaine is.
He is not drinking or taking drugs. People who don`t like him confirmed that it`s true, for example Mary Trump, his niece.
@@anthill1510 I'm aware. I didn't say he was actually doing it, but don't doubt everyone else was around him.
@@emgeeklees Yeah, that`s a good point. I have never done cocaine, but I know pretty well how it works because people around me took it.
It’s a stimulant, its very clear what it does if you’ve been conscious on earth for more than 10 years.
Trump doesn’t drink but the pretending he doesn’t know what cocaine does tells me he’s definitely partaken.
I’m a 44-year-old woman (same age as Theo), and I’ve been a viewer of his podcast for almost 2 years. I watched him on Road Rules in 2000, which is how I originally discovered him. Always thought he was super goofy and genuinely sweet.
I was actually kind of shocked when he had Trump on his show. I watched it though and it was just kinda cringe. Trump should never ever be normalized.
Anyway, that’s my $0.02. 🤷🏻♀️
edit: And I still love Theo.
He will be normalized if she doesn't go on his show because there will only be one option. This is why the donkeys need to stop ignoring these platforms. Trump changed the game. Stop fighting reality, accept it, and adjust strategically.
Theo is great but his talent is that he can make ANYONE look good.
Trump is doing EXACTLY what he needs to- he’s targeting that 50-thousand low-political-information swing voters in the few key districts that swing Electoral College votes- even if you lose the popular vote.
He knows EXACTLY what he’s doing. I know Theo’s audience, I watch Lex - I know who watches him- Trump is winning votes without even trying- to the group most likely to think of Harris as an unknown. There are no trans or LGBTQ folks or birth age women or seniors in those demographics. They have nothing to lose in 2025- in fact the people who do, annoy them.
Trump just won that whole demographic in one round of being a fun interesting guy who came to them.
lol, had no idea he was on Road Rules. Honestly, I was clueless how he got famous.
I just think he was more proud that he was able to pull a guest like that instead of thinking of the ramifications of entering that kind of sphere with having that tier of guest. You can tell he was just there for a chat, but in reality he was normalizing one of the most powerful and dangerous men in the world. For an introspective guy, Theo really should have thought more about this ahead of time.
Hard to be angry at that joker. Hes one of the least fascist in the knucklehead space😂. We all have a friend like him but know we should do better
As a Gen z man who listens to both Theo von and offline (occasionally), this interview made Trump look pretty good, which is scary. It was Trump at his most normal and relatable, and least angry. These guys have a huge audience, and Kamala or her surrogates need to try to get into this scene. We can't dismiss them all, even if some are really dumb. Theo had on Bernie the other day, so he's willing to listen to other ideas. Gotta meet people where they are.
I totally agree. For the Joe Rogan, Theo Von, Lex Fridman crowd, vast majority are young men, but in terms of political affiliation, my guess is 30% are right wing, 20% are left wing, and the rest are moderate/independent/apolitical. The only people doing outreach to this crowd are right wing politicians and influencers trying to persuade that 50%. That’s a big reason why Gen Z men are tending rightward. Because, other than Bernie (who has gotten a ton of respect from them for it), democratic politicians just don’t show up to their media sphere.
When they say they feel “forgotten,” this is what they mean. This is a HUGE slice of the persuadable electorate. They value long form podcasts because it makes guests seem human and authentic. They don’t trust interviews on mainstream media because they assume they are scripted and carefully choreographed. If Kamala doesn’t show up to a long form podcast for the entire campaign, people will assume she is just another politician who is afraid of going off script and therefore untrustworthy. In order to vote for someone. They want to make sure they are a down to earth human being.
If Kamala can just show up on Joe Rogan and be authentic and show people that she is not the person right wing media portrays her to be, that would do more to boost her support than any single campaign rally. It would be a huge missed opportunity if not.
Good assessment!
I always seek the opposite opinion to check my perspective ❤
@@jacob56955but do they vote?
If they don’t participate in polls, then they’re an unknown quantity.
@@HeritageHannah I’m sorry but no American is an “unknown quantity.” Everyone is a potential voter and should not be dismissed. If there is no outreach or effort, then they will continue to be disengaged. The only politicians making an attempt to engage them are the right wing figures. That’s why Gen z men are trending rightward. So far, Bernie is the only one who has shown up to their podcasts, and he is universally respected by them for just showing up. More democrats need to show up and engage with them. This could be a big blind spot and liability for this election.
@@jacob56955 I think you're totally spot on. As someone who has listened to Pod Save America and Theo Von the Democrats (other than Bernie) don't really reach out to these groups of people or these areas of outreach. I think Tim Walz would be a great surrogate for this conversation in these spaces and I very much enjoyed his appearance here and on Ezra Klein's long form interview with the NYT (who Ezra himself said was probably the most natural speaking political figure he's ever spoken with in his own assessment) I'd love to see Tim Walz do an interview with Theo Von - It's really true you've got to meet people where they are.
Someone you might want to consider talking to about young men is Dr. Alok Kanojia, a psychiatrist who streams under "Healthy Gamer GG" (where he has conversations with streamers and viewers related to mental health), has published a book "How to Raise a Healthy Gamer," and runs a life coaching program. He talks a lot about the isolation of young men and how we can combat that, but also things like gifted children, anxiety, depression, autism, etc. (and of course real world/online balance).
@hash8169 Fair points. He was open about the issue related to his license, which was resolved with him keeping his license. From what I've seen, he tries to be open-minded and consider others' opinions, and he enjoys being challenged (vs. getting defensive), which is why I think he could make an interesting interview, not because I agree with everything he says. Because of his career focus, he has a lot of insight into young men who spend a ton of time online, which is why I think he'd be a great fit specifically for Off-line. He's talked at length with a lot of these young male influencers, and his platform targets a very overlapping audience.
Lex Fridman is more manosphere adjacent than manosphrere. Walz should do the podcast. I think he would do well.
Walz and Fridman would be an amazing show!
Sure Walz can go on, but so does Kamala. A lot of the right wing Gen z bros were dunking on Kamala for “hiding” and not showing up to long form interviews, like she wasn’t intellectually capable of it or something. I think a lot of right leaning Gen z men are persuadable. She just needs to show up.
Yes let's pander to incels and antifeminists.
@@amberinthemist7912 look dude, I am left wing, but if you generalize people that way, you come across as a smug douchebag. Cut it out.
I don't think he would, I used to watch and then started digging and Lex seems like Thiel backed guy.
I couldn't watch more than 10 minutes of that Theo Von episodes because Trump seemed so normal and boring and it made me question reality and believe in the Simulation Hypothesis.
The most depressing thing is how his Bernie Sanders interview got like 20% of the views of his Trump episode. And I do think it's interesting that he talked way more about policies with Bernie and only about irrelevant fluff with Trump, probably to avoid having to get confrontational with Trump because Theo might be more aligned with Bernie than Trump in that regard. But nonetheless the Trump episode will have more of an effect because people are more interested in UFC and cocaine than they are in social policies...
It's the same thing where people rant about Kamala being vague about her policies, when you have DT devolving into insane word salad where the transcript doesn't even read like English when asked about, well, anything. The guy was a game show host before becoming president and played musical chairs with bankruptcy, whereas Kamala was the AG of CA and VP for 4 years. Humanity is depressing
theo and all the podbros he hangs with are way into trump.
What got me was that Bernie explained e writhing to Theo yet he seemed to have forgotten when trump came on. He still couldn’t ask any substantive questions.
@@calla211the uneducated + low information voters are the minority - they're just louder, more obnoxious & certainly more violent
@@calla211trump 6 bankruptcies, great damage / destruction to Our Nation, the coup and his media company will fail all the way. No thanks. 🙏🏻🇺🇸⚖️💙🗽🩺🗳️🕊️
I listen to theo von and love your podcast! I am not a fan of his right wing guests but theo is quite an entertaining individual
for the record i listen to both theo von podcast and this one
to someone who is skeptical from the outset, what's his appeal?
@@romulus_ He's big in mental health and drug recovery circles, generally a bit on the conservative side. He's pretty introspective about how drugs have made him do some crazy stuff (no surprise Trump asked him about cocaine) He's also interviewed a pretty wide array of guests, so I think he's got appeal across a pretty wide spectrum. Would love to see Tim Walz on Theo Von's podcast.
Let's f-ing go. Get Kamala on the Jason Kelce podcast. Or at least Tim Walz.
In the case of Brazil, the most salient fact which must be emphasized is that Musk is refusing to de-platform his fascist buddies, while happily de-platforming democratic critics of repressive governments.
Young men who are not interested in politics, usually don't vote. Meanwhile, young women are more likely to vote especially when abortion and fertility issues are on the ballot.
YES! Exactly but don't you think we should be focusing more of our time on the Liz and Dick Cheney endorsement of Kamala?! It's a huge boost and I'm honored that we have the big tent that welcomes the Cheney's into the fold with such open arms. YESSSS
@@nonamenow3839Thats a travesty
Theo got a laugh from Bernie when he suggested Trump name Kid Rock his Secretary of Defense.
I’m so glad you talked about the Theo Vonn interview. I saw it up the morning it was posted, and within a few hours, it had millions of views. I watched the first 10 mins before I turned it off. I was stressed about how not himself he sounded. That’s gonna work on someone. Also, don’t sleep on Theo; he reaches a vast audience. Depending on the guest, I watch him. 🤷🏾♀️
Trump's nonsense is working on the Pod as well. He is not and has never been a good golfer. He's terrible, cheats continuously, and just writes in whatever score he wants that day.
Being good at golf requires extreme patience, loads of practice, and fine motor control. Does this sound like Trump?
It’s so exhausting to try and keep up with Trump’s constant floods of bullshit 🤦♀️
@@hash8169 And his dad, Kim Jong Il. Supposedly Jong Il got all holes in one the first time he ever played. He also fought the Japanese by shooting at them from his mother's hip because he was only 1 but could walk the day he was born. The propaganda they try to spread is WILD
@@hash8169 ????
I’ve heard this as well. There’s a book about it. He’s also played a very long time including while in office and people whom have heard this version of him painted would be very surprised by his video with Bryson. He played very well.
Commander in Cheat, How Golf Explains Trump by Rick Riley. Among takeaways, how a person golfs is how they do everything. Also Trump could be a good golfer but his cheating circumvents developing a better skill set. Self defeating habits, again.
He knows all about cocaine as evidenced by his over-acted ignorance; just like he doesn’t know the women he assaults and the crimes he commits.
Eh... not really on this point. Trump is a known T-Totaler who doesn't indulge in or tolerate Drugs or Alcohol in his orbit... I bet he's GENUINELY uncomfortable with even the idea of drug use.
Which makes the entire interaction interesting.
You honestly think Trump understands anything about anything? No, he's genuinely ignorant. He thought bleach might kill Covid, within the human body. And that scientists hadn't ever wondered if bleach could be used usefully for that. He's an absolute buffoon.
@@HimitsuHunter T-Toddler is a good nickname for Trump.
@@HimitsuHunter Do you think he is unaware that his son is frequently up all night posting incoherent rants online in a very coke fueled way?
The alt right is heavily addicted to amphetamines' like Adderall, crystal meth, crack and cocaine... I lost a close friend to Jan 6th and know the inside of what goes on... It ruins their lives, families, financials and friends. I am lucky as I am immune to propaganda as some bloodlines are, I saved myself.
As a 33 yo single father to a 8 yo girl who is from Oklahoma, does things like fishing and camping, works a manual labor job, and has always voted D, but can relate to both sides that are willing to compromise, feel like I'm swimming in a sea of extremism and I find myself a little dizzy by all of this.
Voting Kamala-Walz.
God bless the U.S.A.
I do not mean to make light of you, but I can tell you view politics through the media lens that is forced on you by your current market. If you were to look outside the US, you would realize the democrats are hardly extremism. They are center in most countries, maybe even center right, and those countries generally do fine. Even someone like Bernie Sanders would be considered a standard left in most of those countries.
Maybe branch out a bit rather than both sides-ing your politics.
I'm a melennial white man. I line up to vote D every two years because I'm a union member. I sure as hell don't do it because Democrats have done a good job of reaching out to young men in my lifetime. These podcasts are the latest example. It is such a layup to go on them. They give the most softball interviews ever. But Democrats just won't do them. Unbelievable.
They don’t exactly do much for women either lol
It's easy to focus on what you don't have, and not see how what you have is slipping and needs shoring up.
Perhaps you could tell them what it is that is keeping you back and they could address it. Do businesses discriminate against you because you are young, male and white? So post secondary schools do the same? Perhaps Democrats are actively trying to shut down unions which you care about?
perhaps you could be more specific on what is a healthy young white man is dealing with and why they aren't in a position where there are no external barriers to their success. What is hold this demographic back?
And I do say this as an old white man, who used to be a young white man. I would complain that I came from a very poor family and had poor social skills as a child that I had to relearn as an adult, but that doesn't really have anything to do with being a young white man, does it. Maybe there is something more institutionalize right now? Something not "they are working to level the playing field for others and that means they don't pay attention to me".
Yes I am not being considerate of you in this comment. I am not using the kid gloves. I hope you can handle that and come up with an actual response.
@@SilortheBlade Listen, I'm not here to debate issues. But guess what? Neither are most voters. The point is, if you want people's votes, you have to court them. As a politician, it's your job. You go on black radio shows because you want to reach black voters. If you want to reach young male voters, what should you do? Go where they are.
@Silverhawk100 There's hours in the day to do both. It takes literally an hour to do one of these podcasts and millions of young men will hear it.
Trump’s brother has been speaking out about how Trump would not help him either to his son’s health issue despite being a billionaire.
He's his nephew. The son of his older brother who died of alcoholism.
If your are speaking about Fred, he is the son of Fred Jr who was Donald’s Dad. So, he is Mary’s brother. Thank God they are not nuts. Trump is a sociopathic malignant narcissist. Scary guy. 🙏🏻🇺🇸⚖️💙🗽🩺🗳️🕊️
The brother who was a good person raised in a family of monsters. Can’t imagine how he be came an alcoholic.
And the only reason his nephew had to ask for money is because Trump cut him out of the Will. Plus, he specifically told his nephew to LET HIS DISABLED SON DIE. Trump is an actual monster.
This should be emphasized more. People should go and listen to Fred Trump and what Donald said about his son. If you want a leader who values you as a person no matter your health status or physical abilities, Trump isn't the one.
Why can't Harris and Walz do some of these same podcasts? Both Theo Von and Friedman said they would be happy to have them on.
I think with the short time with campaign they wanted to get to all the States, more than once. They are getting biggest bang they can in shorter period of time. Most rallies are televised.🙏🏻🇺🇸⚖️💙🗽🩺🗳️🕊️
They definitely should. I think Walz, in particular would do really well.
@@audreywellham2413 There are 50 plus days and seven swing states. They could go to each one three more times and still have plenty of time to sit down for an hour long podcast.
@@MrTheLuckyshotI agree. It would be incredibly beneficial for her. Just for her showing up, she would gain a lot of respect among independent/moderate Gen z men. The “manosphere” podcasters are their main source of media.
@@audreywellham2413 Besides short clips of rallies in the news, I have never once watched a rally on tv for the 20 years I've voted.
As a 39-year-old man, it's hard to not sympathize with Gen Z young men. They've been shown their whole lives that Straight Protestant Anglo Men are not only the top of the food chain, they ARE the food chain. Both pop culture and the history books support this idea. And they genuinely don't know the difference between "not having absolute power" and "persecution".
It’s been like that as long as I remember and I’m 25 years older than you. The only difference is the internet constantly telling them they are better and anyone different from them are dangerous. The ideas don’t change, the delivery system does.
I don't know that the internet makes much difference. For pretty much as long as this country has existed, marginalized groups have been slowly making progress and a significant portion of straight white protestant males freaked out about it. I suppose now they're angry at all liberals in the country, rather than focusing all their hate on the black family in their neighborhood.
@@KeyDash753 Then explain to me why I supported affirmative action and the civil rights movement, yet am still hesitant about these things. Have the considered there's a difference? African Americans have only ever tried to lift themselves up, nobody is tryna tear me down. I've never seen them spend years saying how "white people are trash."
I listen to both you and theo von.
But i’m in ireland watching the American experiment through my fingers.
That sounds much more enjoyable from watching it from inside 😂
@@AChickandaDuck Depends. I am watching from Germany and it`s not really enjoyable, we are way too close to Ukraine to not be anxious about the upcoming election.
It's pathetic how few Americans understand the importance of Ukraine.
Our media is so mixed up with lies and propaganda😢.
True Americans do understand, will vote Harris Walz and they ARE going to Win🎉
Fisher’s summary of the „anti-woke Podcast sphere“ shows how glibly out of tune they are. And I say this as someone who despises Trump.
Agreed
@@trrisner37absolutely blind to what the implication is- it’s treating young men like the deplorables this time. Big mistake to be this smug. And unfortunately PSA is a bubble of smug self righteousness at times. Apart from Dan…
Hopefully, they'll be glad they asked.
I'm going to be in full panic attack until November, especially if everyone keeps treating Trump like he's not going to end America.
🤣🤣🤣
Thank you for demonstrating a stereotypical case of Trump Derangement Syndrome.
@@erc9468 we should all be incredibly worried about this. The people with TDS are the people blindly following the cult leader Trump
I think you guys are making a big mistake by underestimating how WIDE the audience for these podcasts are, especially the comedy centric ones like Theo Von. Dismissing it and showing contempt to it is a mistake as well. Lots of guys (yes, they are mostly guys) consume this content because it is interesting, wide ranging and mostly non political. I would not be surprised if there are plenty of occasional Crooked media listeners who are also occasional listeners to that material.
If Donald Trump wants to know about cocaine, just ask Don Jr.
If Don Jr was a coke head he would have proof
He's a multimillionaire real estate magnate that came up in the 80s who regularly went to Studio 54. It's adorable that anyone thinks Trump doesn't know about cocaine.
He was a big coke head and snorted adderall.…allegedly. They were in his circle through their job and have spoken out.
You can tell by the bags near the top of his nose…it’s a sign of heavy cocaine use. I went to nursing school.
Even if Trump didn't know, he could just ask Don jr., an apparent expert in that field.
@@SuziSPSquirrel Well you're a terrible student in that case because not a single soul can attest to Trump even taking a drop of alcohol, let alone cocaine. Don't you think a single person would have at least seen or heard something? You're ignorant so I'm sure you will stubbornly deny it but there is not a shred of evidence that Trump has ever taken any form of drug.
"Talk Tuah" is a brilliant name for a podcast. I know nothing about that girl (honestly never even seen the original video).. but I wish her the very best success. I hope she grows and gets successful.
Her next move should be a sex talk podcast.
I watch both pod save america and theo von. Theo is a magnificent storyteller. PSA is the most informative podcast out there.
I was afraid I was going to be the only one to admit listening to both.
I’m 😊 no
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Same here! I love Theo’s podcast and I’m a dedicated listener of Pod Save America too! So nice to know I’m not the only one! (44-year-old democrat from FL [sorry] here)
This characterization really scares me.
I don't know that Pod Save America is even meant to be "informative". It is, by its own admission, a _partisan propaganda network_ that wants to help drive the Democratic Party message and a be counter to Fox News and right-wing media. Yes, Crooked Media has a newsroom and some editorial standards. So do Fox and the Daily Wire. It doesn't make them a great place to get information.
I think PSA is a really cool and fun place to learn about how campaigns work. But talk shows aren't news, and it's probably not great that our media diets don't include independent journalism anymore.
I’m over 60 & had subbed to Von for 5 years, but I just cannot with DJT, & found other things to do.
Please remind Gen Z men that a woman's reproductive rights has a huge effect of their lives too!
Like a lifetime, or at least 18 years of child support. I've mentioned this to every younger guy who seems not to realize the ripple effort is real. Positive vibes from New Hampshire, remember to be kind to each other and yourself during these trying times.
And that P25 is going to get rid of nearly all elderly care programs (of any category). Do they want to be wiping their parents butts and having their parents live them till they die ?
Since men cant force abortions, either being pro choice or pro life ends up giving men the same 0% control over pregnancies. Even if the laws are pro choice, we essentially need to just accept whatever the woman decides.
@@lor3608except when men put abortion drugs in your drink (GOP politician), except when men make laws about what women are allowed to do with their own bodies.
Why is it so difficult to accept that your choice about pregnancy was made when you left your sperm where it wasn't wanted?
Every abortion is caused by a man
"He's a good golfer"
He is a golfer. There's a difference. Plenty of stories about how frequently he cheats.
Young bros can make whatever jokes they want. The girls they want to date can tell them to get lost. That’s freedom. There can still be consequences.
Many of these guys confuse disdain with censorship.
Trump asking about cocaine is Trump finally taking an interest in Don Jr's life.
Excellent analysis and episode as usual gentlemen. Keep up the good work! Always love listening to my episode of Offline each week! 👏🏼😺
Kamala has done enough legacy media. It’s time for her to sit with Independent Media like Pod Save America, Meidas Touch, Hot Ones (since she’s a foodie), Tim Walz should go to Barstool Sports. She should go back to Brian Tyler Cohen, IamPoliticsGirl, and Roland Martin.
Harris has walked off the rally stage after introducing Tim Walz and was being interviewed 15 minutes later.
Pod Save America does not deserve an interview with Kamala Harris.
She needs to get more out of that bubble, nobody here has to be convinced.
I agree with this 💯
These pod conversationd do so much for just getting a better understanding of topics.
Traditional media is lacking. Its become one big gossip magazine with everyone trying to one up each other.
@@anthill1510 If she does one Joe Rogan or adjacent interview, she would persuade a lot of moderate/independent young men. It’s a huge missed opportunity for her not to do it. She just needs to show up.
@@jacob56955 Yes, but it`s maybe even better if Tim Walz does it, I think a man could reach them better.
Has the Harris campaign put out feelers to these podcasters? Nothing ventured, nothing gained, right?
She shouldn't go on them.
@@groinBlaster31agreed, though she could go on a podcast if there’s a moment she can on the campaign.
Those knuckleheads dont want policy they want jokes, fistbumps and recipes for protein shakes. And to say bro way too much🤤
@@groinBlaster31I wholeheartedly disagree. It would be a huge missed opportunity to not do one long form interview. Joe Rogan has refused to interview Trump. If Kamala could go on Rogan’s show, that would not only be a way to “one up” Trump, it would gain her an enormous amount of attention and even respect from that mostly male fanbase (and that fanbase is like 30% right wing, 20% left wing, and the rest is moderate/independent). Other than that 30% (who will troll some in the comments), there are so many persuadable voters who consume Joe Rogan and adjacent content. Kamala is an incredibly interesting and articulate person and long form interviews tend to bring positive qualities to light. She would be able to win a lot of people over. I don’t like this huge political gender gap. If she wants to be president, it would benefit her a lot to reach out to young men. Again, she would get a lot of respect just for showing up.
I'm a lady who loves Theo and you guys! He's more for Bernie though and not trump I think
I think so too, but that doesn`t matter. If he is so friendly to Trump, that will a lot of his edgy audience convince to vote for Trump. Bernie is not on the ballot.
He was actually for RFK Jr. Since he’s dropped out, I’m not really sure which way he’s going to vote, but if I were to guess it would be Trump.
@@jacob56955Yep. Theo is a workaholic, & DJT gives plenty of material.
Trump admitted he lost on Lex.
Yet the ostrich bros wont budge. The dont care about facts they care about OPINIONTRUTHS. brobrobrobro
this guy lived on cocaine during the Studio 54 era, but the voters he is courting are too young to know that
Allegedly. I am also alleging it, carefully, watching to see if my post goes through.
I believe he shared more than he ingested, to increase his magnetism.
That exact same thing happened when Trump went on the Tonight Show and Jimmy Fallon normalized him.
I'm a 30 year old fella in academia who is to the left of the Crooked hosts. I'm not a regular listener of any podcasts in that world, but listened to the JRE pre-pandemic and listen to occasional episodes of Lex Fridman and Theo Von these days. Mostly comes down to the guest. This assessment of the average Rogan-verse listener is mostly spot-on, but I think you've seriously underestimated how much of their audience is made up of hate-watching progressives and liberals disarmed by the charm of some of the personalities involved -- Theo Von in particular, as I think you can see in some of these comments.
Trump going on this podcast tour was sort of inevitable, specially as the broader political canon presented by the less restrained hosts in this sphere (e.g. Rogan or Hinchcliffe) began to take shape. You can keep an ear to the ground in conservative spaces and hear the latest talking points or disinformation efforts pop up in the Rogan-verse a week after they hit reddit and twitter. To be totally honest with you, I've been hoping that democratic messengers (not nominees -- thinking Crooked Media or Abdul El-Sayed types) went on more of those shows to prevent an alternative perspective to listeners. As it stands a lot of these shows buy fully into anti-woke, anti-academia, pro-Trump narratives, and it leaves a lot of the impressionable listeners in a bubble that the few left-wing guests that do come on (e.g. Hasan, Destiny, Cenk) are ill-suited to help pop. Worse yet, the closer to the center of that universe you get, the more aggressive and direct the political messaging gets.
I know they're just podcasts, but I do worry about what'll come of Gen Z men if this particular cultural sphere goes uncontested.
Pod Save America, you're a rising star on TH-cam
As a non American I support Brazil, it’s not up to a single American billionaire to determine free speech in another country! Every country has the right to determine its own laws and if companies want to operate they need to obey those laws.
Polling shows most Brazilians want x back
@@philipc8280 Did the people vote for x to be banned
I first learned about Theo from watching other comedian podcasts and you can tell he’s a genuinely nice guy. I think it’s unfair to lump him into the more right-coded podcasts that Max was describing. But I’m glad they mentioned the Bernie interview because it really shows how Theo and people like him are very amenable to more populist economic policies like reducing corporate power and improving the middle class. It’s definitely an untapped audience for democrats.
As someone that is 22 from rural Michigan I can tell you most of em are for Trump. Democrats need to appeal more to the working class, less environmental and social justice stuff.
OR educate those people Why ignoring climate change equals death for everyone whereas using clean energy saves our environment and creates new and better jobs! Exact same thing with social justice! Rising tides lift ALL boats!
Tell your guy pals!
Like supporting unions?
Less expensive education?
What do they need to focus on more for you?
Just the fact that he acted like he's not familiar with coke should just show all these guys how full of crap he is, how easily he lies about everything! He was at Studio 54 all through the 70s, he was part of the Hollywood-elite scene for decades. Like "Oh does coke make you not sleep I've never heard of that" it's so frustrating!
Trump doesn't even drink. He definitely doesn't know anything about cocaine. It's pretty clear he was in unfamiliar territory. Just cause he's hung out in Hollywood doesn't mean he's doing everything in the scene. Trump definitely lies a lot, but that doesn't mean in every situation, he's masterfully lying and in control of the situation, deceiving us all. He's clearly out of his element in that clip.
For those of us around his age, yes, but there’s so many who have forgotten, & there’s an entire generation who only knows him as a billionaire who had a reality show on a major network.
I find y‘all’s conversations to be very enjoyable and informative. Gracias, Mofos.
God has a sense of humor, and tRrump is His punchline!
Trump is a mental patient and so dangerous. 🙏🏻🇺🇸⚖️💙🗽🩺🗳️🕊️
As one of the few that fall in between the Venn diagram of this show and theirs, maybe don’t call people dumb that you’re trying to win votes from? You’re 2D stereotype of these people is what makes me, a gay liberal, hate the woke left culture. That said, I can’t stand Trump being on those shows.😢
I think they meant dumb more like goofy
@@franjkav I took it as dumb bros, not goofy, but I think they think they wear it with pride. I’m an out of the box bro and I don’t think many people like being called dumb except The Von lol 😂
Maybe realize who they are talking about. You know what descriptive adjectives are right? Is that you? No? Then it would be the others who are the majority of the audience. I have nothing but laughter for the majority of Freidmans audience who are conspiracy nuts. You are not the center of the universe.
@TrueTake. The sad truth is many of them ARE dumb. People who take surface level information and base an entire world view on it, with no desire to explore deeper to really understand things. They prefer what they want to be true, not what evidence suggests. That's just kinda dumb, or intellectually dishonest at least
Who would you rather face in the woods a bear or a man? Most women said the bear, men got offended, but never asked themselves why would a woman rather face a bear.
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I live in Connecticut. Black bears walk across our backyard at least once a week (and that’s just the ones I see during the day), and I know that the bears are highly unlikely to attack me if I stay away from them & their cubs. But you bet I am calling 911 if unknown men start walking across my back yard. If there were a strange man walking around my campsite at night, I would be much more frightened than if a black bear were doing the same. Now a grizzly bear? That’s different.
Of course, these a
It's so strange how much of gender divide there is in US politics. Why would that be your go-to line for a political podcast. Are you a Trump bot sent out to put of male voters by connecting such nonsense to the image of democratic voters
@@Tina06019 you prove my point, thank you. But why don't men ask themselves why are more frightened of men than bears, grizzly or otherwise. You can still get away from a grizzly if you remain calm and don't turn your back on them, back away slowly, but a man that has the intent to harm you there is no getting away and the men usually have a gun never seen a bear with a gun or knife.
So we disregard men then? Let them unite and create something worst
@@lindajallen3805 Men don`t need a gun or any weapon to harm a woman, not at all. They sometimes don`t even need actual violence, a lot of women freeze when they get into a dangerous situation with a man because the body realizes he is ten times stronger and decides not to fight to not get harmed more.
You can't have free speech without responsibility. If you allow people to incite hate or violence, you must also allow governments to uphold their laws. Don't close your office X or clean up your act.
The “what’s wrong with men” discourse is still very alive, at least online. A pretty popular running internet joke(?) earlier this year was whether a woman would prefer to be stuck in a forest with a bear or a man, with women largely stating they’d prefer to be stuck with the bear.
It’s nothing too insulting and there’s obviously nuance to the conversation, but to the lex Friedman, Theo von, Joe Rogan audience, I think it hits their ears like an accusation pointed directly at them as men.
Because it is directed at them
@@cyndyjt7571 that’s part of the problem though. I’ll go out on a limb here and guess neither I nor you personally know any of those 3 men. We know their content but not them personally. And whenever you throw people into a broad category and skip all the nuance of who they are as individuals, I think you further contribute to this hypermasculine identity crisis that we see in these corners of the internet. But that’s just my read on it.
@@alkirehomevideos until every man holds other men accountable, we'll be using that broad brush.
@@cyndyjt7571 I get it, there are ample examples for why women, or anyone, would paint with a broad brush that men are dangerous. However, if an example (bear vs man example) doesn't pass the flip it on it's head test (ie. taking something negative that some women have done and then lambast all women for the actions of some) then I don't think its a fair criticism nor a useful dialogue that will help men who have toxic views of themselves and others get to a better place of enlightenment and positive masculinity.
Ultimately I would imagine we would agree that we want less men who are dangerous and toxic toward women and others. We have to find some practical way to do that.
@@cyndyjt7571 And what shall we do as revenge until you start holding toxic women accountable? Seems some of my peers thing voting for trump is a good way to do that. Good job you vindictive AHs, hope our democracy was worth a fleeting feeling of powerfulness
Trump should ask Don Jr about cocaine
"What is this cocaine of which you speak?" Riiiiiiiiiiiiiight. LMAO
His bullshit is endless.
In the 70s,we basically ordered a plate of coke for the table
FYI 53 yr old watch some clips of Theo cuz he is genuinely funny and raw. I watch for entertainment. But cant watch an entire episode. Watch yours for political commentary. So it is not so out there.
Agreed I’m in the same camp as you. And I found the Pod Save dialogue around that insufferable and smug.
I listen to both you guys and Theo Von! Not every episode, though. If I'm not interested in who's being interviewed or the topic seems like it'll be a lot of rehashing, then I don't bother.
So did you listen to the Trump one? What did you think about it?
This section on white men is very important! I’ve been doing research on white men and mental health for a while now and I think this conversation is great that you’re having on ways that men feel marginalized as we try to find equity for other groups. Thank you for talking about this!
The white men are also the largest voting block in many states, and will be for a long time. And they often come out to vote.
karen hunter show discussed similar topic a few days ago as well.
@@ahantu Is that her name or her job title?
@@SamAronow It is karen' hunter's show on radio. There are short segmented clips on yt where you can listen to.
Your glib mischaracterizations in the first half was crazy lol. To start, Theo von has little to do with the manosphere. Also, young gen z men are not primarily watching his podcast. For the first half of this episode you created a vison of what you thought this cohort was like, and it was painfully wrong. You're both my age, 40 something, but you sounded like someone in their 60's trying to pull the "all these dang kids don't wanna work anymore" by clearly not understanding the group your reporting on lol.
Listen, genz are listening to adin ross, sneako, no jumper, full send/nelk boys, fresh and fit etc... Just go look at the guest theo has on, they're geared towards my age group . (ie., dana carvey, tommy lee, sal vulcano, joey diaz, dax sheperd, tony robbins, YG, rain wilson) that's just some of the recent guest from the last year, lol, come on guys, it should be a crime to lump theo in with the Rogans, tony henchcliffs, or Fridman etc.. of the world.
It seems like your confusing genz with older millienals and younger gen x. And guys, I really like your podcast, i'm farther left then the host and guests at Pod Save, but I generally find you guys likable and almost comforting. But, in this epsiode, your contemptuous and smugness was really showing. It was giving off the "coastal, out of touch" liberal stereotype. Maybe, I wouldn't have picked up on that if you two weren't so wrong about your misconflations of both the manosphere and gen z men.
If what I heard today is in anyway indicative of how the wider moderate democate thinks and you feel this is an important cohort, then were in trouble this novemember.
Theo Von is definitely part of the manosphere, can`t get much more manosphere than him. He is not necessarily part of redpill, though. Maybe you mean that.
I agree. I’m actually a fan of both Pod Save, and Theo Von. And I didn’t appreciate them painting with such a broad brush or telling me who I am and what I think as an audience member (most of which is untrue, just stereotypical).
It was wild to me that they admitted to only watching half of the Theo von one and they’re doing a whole show about the topic? Sloppy and unprepared tbh. We aren’t watching your show to just hear you riff guys. Anyone can do that. Actually do your research before filming a whole episode. Y’all just seemed out of touch and smug the whole time. This is a huge cohort of the electorate that consumes this type of media.
"Stop stereotyping Gen Z! Everything you said pertains to older millennials and younger Gen X."
I mean at least if you are going to stereotype us older millennials, do a podcast elaborating on your views. Just because you are an older millennial, doesn't give you the right to paint older millennials and younger Gen X with one brush. Pretty smug yourself in judging two whole groups of Americans. And the worst part is your stereotyping is just to argue with a podcast. At least their stereotyping is an attempt to understand another generation. That's a noble goal to articulate your thoughts about another generation, even if you get something wrong. You can learn something now about that generation that you put your views out there. Not so noble to use us older millennials and Gen X to criticize a podcast.
Absolutely this- they should speak to Destiny- who gets it - these guys are totally detached
What do so many of our citizens hear when tRump rambles on about such nonsense?! Can't fathom what they draw from it.
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It’s not that they hear. It’s that they feel
They feel younger & smarter, by comparison.
In my 40s, progressive liberal, friend of the Pod: I listen to Joe, Theo, etc. I know I’m not alone.
abt that interview: Theo Von has the natural ability to approach people in a positive way, to somehow "disarm" them with his peaceful straightforwardness. It may have helped Trump to show himself in a more normal light, but Theo showed his personality even more (not a surprise for people who already watched his other interviews). In short, the magic is in Theo, def not in Trump
Yes, I agree. Theo has very disarming vibes
There’s definitely something soulful and sort of magical about Theo.
Like normalizing an insurrectionist, great guy otherwise 👍
Aggrieved entitlement is a great term and much more eloquent than what I would call them.
Excuse me, what the heck, Trump knows cocaine. Let’s not get stupid. Cocaine is an old drug. Maybe that’s why he “acted” different.
Max: Trump is sounding very Abe Simpson.
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trump couldn’t pass 5th grade civics exam.
I think their is something also to be said about how quickly some of these social changes are happening. Sometimes it’s truly hard to keep up with when you’re removed from TV and social media. There is a lot of scolding and chastising that happens about issues that people aren’t aware of.
Endorsement? No :
Von - demonstrating respect for TRUMP AND Bernie is powerful NORMALIZATION.
Normalizing Trump is wrong. Period.
It's always amazing how many Bernie bros are a miniscule step away from being Trump supporters
Good show guys!
11:21 exactly! These bros are platforming this monster who stands on Dobbs and project 2025
Orangina asking "what is this cocaine? what does it do to you?" is like Snoop asking the same of marijuana.
You will never be able to convince me that Trump hasn't done cocaine. The awkwardness wasn't because he's old, it was because he didn't want to say he's done cocaine but he wanted to talk about it.
So glad someone finally explained to me the hauk tua thing. I try not to be old and out of touch but for someone who remembers life before the internet your help is much appreciated. Btw, loved the show in Phoenix
It's not that men are upset that they don't have the same "privileges" as previous generations; it is that they still carry the same burden with fewer benefits. They still have to register for selective services, they are incarcerated at a higher rate, they don't get a say in child birth yet still have to support the child, they have fewer opportunities for education funding with the exception of literally risking their life by going to war (for the last 20 years anyway). Let's not over simplify legitimate complaints by just saying men are angry because they are losing privileges... I believe you're being intellectually dishonest.
Selective service registration is hardly a burden. And you do get a say - it’s when you decide to have sex, with who, and to wear a condom or not. You are reaching so hard to be oppressed
If men don't register to with SS then men can't work for the government, contract with the government, get home loans from funds funded in part or in total from the government, as well as funds for education.
As for saying men have a say and it is not to have sex... flip the script on that and say hey if a women didn't want to have a kid she should have kept her knees together. That's a BS answer as is saying that if men didn't want to have kids they should have kept it in their pant. Men get upset because of double standards like this.
@@franjkavI'll also point out that these legitimate issues I raised was immediately dismissed as "ME" being a victim, and at no point did I claim to be a victim.
@franjkav are you aware of all the doors closed to men who don't register with SS?
@@franjkavoh and by the way 1.9 million men were drafted to go to Vietnam... I'm willing to wager they would disagree that SS isn't a burden.
I am a listener who enjoys watching pod save America, the Joe Rogan experience, and the daily wire. I think it is important to take in the viewpoints of conservative media as well as more liberal media. It’s the only way to truly make up your own mind!
I listened to a bit of Theo Von . Trump used the word PARLANCE in a sentence.
This is a *brilliant* tactic.
Feeling SAFE changes his ability to stay present.
Listeners were moved by "humility" etc
AND by a host who listened to *Bernie and Trump in the same week*
WAit, wait wait. don trump knows the word parlance? Did he use it correctly? Did he add 5 really's and end with a bigly? And say it was more parlance than anyone had ever seen before?
I think Theo is so genuine he is disarming and allowed Trump to relax and not be on high alert and combative as he usually is with journalists.
I'm a liberal, very cute, 71 year old woman and have recently started watching Theo.
I had never heard of Theo but caught him briefly a couple of times on Rogan. I looked him up and saw John Mulaney was going to be a guest and I was in!
Turns out they did not know each other. John, an erudite comic who's parents are both attorneys, at first did not quite know what to do with Theo.
Comments echoed my observation.
I think Theo's appeal is thoroughly engaged with every guest and doesn't use the podcast as just a vehicle for his company.
as a woman it's hard to feel with these boys and young men tbh. Not feeling entitled is their only problem? uff...
They want sympathy...they need to look in the dictionary, between shit and syphilis. Honestly, equity is suppression??!! I'm in my 50s, finally making "decent pay" but it goes nowhere. Luckily I get more than money satisfaction and I'm frugal. Positive vibes from New Hampshire, remember to be kind to each other and yourself during these trying times.
Correct! Social media companies CANNOT be above the law.
I hear utter condescension toward anything Republican, male, conservative, etc. This is exactly the smugness the right rails about.
I hear someone who has never left his media bubble in his life. They are laughing at the groups detached from reality.
Come join us Dennis. Come live in the actual world.
Lex Friedman takes fascim and delivers it in a calming NPR format
It's more than simply, "I can't make this joke anymore." It has become acceptable in a lot of left/progressive circles to overtly bash white men. On the one hand , men have gotten away with far too much crap for far too long, so maybe they're due some grief. On the other hand, if it's not acceptable to bash all these other groups, why is acceptable to bash white men? And the YOUNG men you're talking about are looking around and feeling like they're being punished for the suns of previous generations. Of they're not happy about that.
Criticism is not bashing. And “…feel like…” indicates feelings, not the reality that exists outside of one’s own self. Could it be that men generally need to work on dealing with their emotions a bit better?
@@franjkav You’re right: criticism is not bashing. And some criticism is fair and warranted. And some of what’s going on is also bashing. Those two things are not mutually exclusive. And yes, a lot of men could benefit from dealing better with their emotions. Some women could, too, though the problem there is not as wide spread. None of it is black and white, none of it is all or nothing.
White man (and woman, to be fair) brought us the Trump presidency. So spare me.
@@edmundschubert4963 What is bashing? Why is it bad? This is your personal take so give your personal view.
Is it being overly critical? Would making those "jokes" constantly to someone when it is unwanted be considered bashing? Would calling that hypothetical person to task also be bashing?
My guess is you think a mostly decent guy who is young and doesn't get life yet makes one innocent joke and now hundreds of people come and constantly criticize him. How often do you think something even remotely like that happens?
Freedom of speech is not freedom from consequences. I associate with one person who is always on about complaining about trans people and being inclusive of other groups. I put up with him because he's my best friends brother, and don't have to see him often. Is he bashing me? Or others? I point out how he is wrong in pretty much every conversation, but keep it light so the three of us can have a pleasant outing. IF he wasn't my friends brother I would tell him off. Is that bashing? Or is that me being allowed to speak my mind as he is allowed to speak his?
@@SilortheBlade I hope you’ll forgive me for keeping this at the high level, but I’m not going to address your every question and point with specifics. Actually, I agree with most of what you’re saying. Also I see in you someone who is working very hard to deny that there’s any bashing of young white men. I teach at a community college and see how freely some people are to say things about these young men that it would be 100% unacceptable to say about any other group. And I see you presenting all kinds of thoughts and ideas that say (to my understanding, anyway), that they’re just overreacting. I have friends on the political right who work equally hard to deny that white nationalism and nazis are a real thing. I’m trying to get away from the one-sided blindness that shapes so much of the discussion. We can’t fix things we refuse to acknowledge.
Went to high school with Theo, a year behind him. He was a seriously chill, laid back dude, and he was one of the few upperclassmen I have memories of treating me decently. He also wrote some funny ass shit for our English department's yearly poetry journal compilation. I vaguely recall loving one about getting attacked by squirrels in the park. I used to joke that he sold his soul to MTV to get out of suburbia (which makes it weird that his stand-up comedy seemed focused on being from a poor rural area when we lived in what's basically the suburbs of New Orleans, a major hub for commuters who drove in to the city for work). I was happy to see him succeed, even if I thought his Netflix special came across as a less polished Jeff Foxworthy. It's honestly kind of sad to see him falling this far, but I'll still respect the guy I wasn't exactly friends with, but at least friendly acquaintances with, back in the day.
It also amuses me that you call him a "young" comedian when he's 44. Makes me think I'm not quite middle-aged YET.
I’m a 59 year old Liberal Atheist Florida Man who has listened to Rogan and Fridman and was a huge Musk fanboy until recently. Tesla owner since 2013. I have a CS degree and am currently working as a consultant for a Si valley startup.
I’m solidly in the Harris/Walz camp and most of my “techbro” friends and colleagues are as well.
The Biden admin messed up by making Musk their enemy. There is a universe where an American car company with the explicit mission is to “accelerate the transition to renewable energy” gets invited to an event about Americas leading role in that transition. Instead GM and Ford, who have consistently fought against that transition were lauded as “innovators”.
Musk is an asshat and he doesn’t like unions because of course he doesn’t. But the level of disdain and smugness that snarky elites like you and the reflexive hating on billionaires is quite off-putting to young men who admire and aspire to earn wealth.
Young men in their “Atlas Shrugged” phase are not being served well by the dominant media.
Listen - I also believe Donald Trump is an existential threat to my country. But instead of vilifying the nerds in your high school who loved violent video games and MMA dudes, we should be aware that young women are kicking their asses in most of the success metrics that matter.
There is a surfeit of psychological dysfunction among young men.
That’s one reason why Tim Walz was such a brilliant choice for VP. He should be going on Rogan and Fridman and Vonn and project his wholesome service-oriented view of masculinity on a crowd that will be surprisingly receptive to it.
👏👏👏👏👏 I have to agree that if we don’t start offering alternatives young men will continue to to suffer. We have to remember what equity means. There are so many reason this world needs to allow young men to gather, and explore what responsibility, and empathy are all about without denegrating masculinity.
Tim Walz was a terrible pick when targeting males. Anyone supporting tampons in boys bathrooms, lying about his service, and protecting underage children from their parents if they want sex changes. Ummm, no real dudes like any of Walz's nonsense.
I don’t understand your take. Tesla got so much money and help from the US government. The US government also has given so many contracts to SpaceX. How much more breastfeeding do you suggest Elon needs ? Many serious people have distanced themselves from him when he started embracing the far-right and neonazis
100% this. I love these guys but they conveniently ignore the Biden administrations attempts to hold back the electrification of cars in favour of massive union corruption on the level of the Fraternal Order of Police. The whole 'you led Mary and it matters' incident is HUGELY relevant to why Elon, who famously has a condition which makes it harder for him to deal with social matters, is fed up with them. They literally snubbed the most advanced car manufacturer in the world, an American company and gave credit to a fossil fuel chugged ICE (internal combustion engine) legacy manufacturer which did not lead, and does not matter. And the whole billionaire thing is insane and irrational. Your level of money does not affect how good a person you are. A poor serial killer and a rich serial killer are both horrible people. And being poor or rich doesn't make you a serial killer.
Just because Elon is right about getting to Mars, about how big a thing it will be if The Boring Company actually makes significant improvements in TBMs, and electrification of vehicles, and robotics doesn't mean his political opinions being wrong in some (but definitely not all) areas is relevant to that. Plus he was literally on their side for decades until they started being irrational to him and snubbed his companies because of unions of all archaic things to worry about. Even though his non-union workers are financially better off without being a member, by far, and are quite invested in doing good for humanity.
But hey ho, I'm sure that GM worker who proclaims that EVs are bad and namby pamby is the vote democrats want, not intelligent people who recognise the importance of switching to EVs and actually want children's lungs to be full of unpolluted air.
And yes, perhaps Walz should probably go on some of those podcasts as he'd do well. Perhaps not with the crazier hosts.
To the young men that are whining about not being able to joke and be crass. Grow up! When you make fun of others, it’s diminishing, not just to others, but yourself. You are only hurting yourself.
If trump is a good golfer why does he cheat at every game he plays?
He arguably plays more than the majority of us and even did so in office. Being a cheater isn’t mutually exclusive from being a capable golfer.
There are a couple library books documenting that Trump has never won any golf tournament in his life. He claims something like 20 club championships, most which were non existent and some that he didn't play but told his lackeys to put his name on the trophy because " I would have won if I had played ". His lifetime cheating at a game told me everything I needed to know about him. No integrity or honor.
@@blkusel I never noticed he did very much else in office.
I'm getting kind of worried that Harris' team isn't pursuing these types of outlets as well. Harris should go on Hot Ones, for example. Walz should go on Lex Fridman, Joe Rogan, ESPN, etc. I'm just concerned that they're not pursuing this demographic of voters where they are.
Young men sound like a fragile group. Worried that some unseen person somewhere is after their happiness
The requirements of patriarchy/patriarchal culture makes them so delicate. The goal is to make the standard of masculinity so out of reach, so impossible to satisfy, that ANY thing (using a straw to drink, wearing pink, having your female date pay for dinner instead of you) can knock that entire house of cards down.
And, couple that with consumer culture that depends on people feeling bad enough about themselves to feel that they "need" to buy a certain product to become closer to being more socially acceptable, and you've got a mess of podcast boys buying classes, strange virility pills and memberships to desperately be seen as "manly".
I think I see why Trump is targeting these young guys: the world is changing so fast and instead of using those young brains to keep up and ask questions, these guys are clinging to a fantastical past that never was; which Trump pushes quite readily.
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If I was trying to further exacerbate the political gender gap, this is exactly the type of language I'd use. "You don't agree with my opinions? Well, then you are snowflake." sounds like a familiar tactic .
@jacobk215 Ooh, the hit dog is hollerin.
Look, bro, when you're part of a group that somehow has swallowed that they loving your wife as a husband is somehow "gay", maybe the problem isn't "da liiiibs" 🤔
@@Callimo Could you maybe reformulate these words into an intelligible sentence please?
@@Callimo this is a shitty approach to convincing others to change their opinion is all im saying; you clearly want to rope in unrelated shit and just attack me personally.
Im gay so no problem being called gay, so...
Hawk tuah podcast seems like something MTV would make a show of akin to Jersey Shore. It's just the worst of TV that people love because it is like watching a car wreck.
15 year old boys can influence people who do vote
These bros don’t know what they’re talking about. The Lex and Theo interviews are the best Trump interviews to date
What policy did he explain in those shows?
How many of these young men are actually going to vote, though? I fondly tell people that I voted for Ross Perot back in 1992 when I was 22 (I'm a Democrat but have always felt skeeved out by Bill Clinton) - but when I really thought back I remembered it was my intention to vote Perot, but I never actually made it to the polls. I didn't become a reliably regular voter until my 30's despite my interest in politics, and I suspect that is even more likely to be the case with young men who consume these types of podcasts. There's also the matter a lot of these young men have young girlfriends and the ever present possibility of an unplanned pregnancy, for them voting for the Party promising to maintain abortion rights might be a bigger draw than an old man talking about cocaine and UFC.
I listen to both PSA and Theon Von! Theo interviewed Bernie the week before and it was an incredible show to watch. Theo is very down to earth and spoke about mainstream politics in a normal language. Then the next week Trump rambled on about himself and OCCASIONALLY and in an insincere way, asked about Theo. It made Bernie/ left politics look amazing (which I am very left)