@@SirToastyToes that does sound about right, most of the time its not something most care about so it was the natural pick to make room for the capture card.
"Some kid is gonna be so hyped when they get this bed" -the sprite artist, not realizing it's going to be over two decades until somebody actually acquired it
The insane odds on Mystery Gifting completely blew my mind. As a kid, I had the Big Lapras doll. I figured it was just an inevitable item you could obtain; I didn't realize I had won the Pokemon lottery.
And I'm now mad I deleted that file. Knew it was rare, but not that there's also a 7 in 8 of it simply never appearing from a particular file. And Lapras is my favourite :(
people joke about being annoyed about mom buying you gifts with your own savings, but if my mom bought me a 1:1 scale snorlax plushie, i don't care if she put us into debt to do it, best mother ever
I love how this video starts off with the usual "decorative items having the hardest of conditions" before taking a steep nosedive into "using janky Gen 2 code to force a Pikachu bed into existence in defiance of God and Junichi Masuda"
@@momsforseti318not a lewyn pfp guy but i am an appreciator 👍 the fact that fe4 enjoyers are congregating under a video about obscure pokemon content is truly a fork in kitchen moment.
@@jeshirekitenkatt1212 I think someone on the Glitch City Labs figured it out. It used to just be the Glitch Dimension trick, but someone checked the code to figure out why it happened in the non-Japanese game and realized the wrong terminator was used. (The best way for me to explain it is that terminators tell the game to stop executing code at a specific point once they are reached.) In any case, once it was discovered that the wrong terminator was used, it then became a game to figure out how best to exploit it as it was manipulatable, but you had to figure out which tiles would work, which was a pain back then with less resources. Edit: Sanqui figured it out and posted it on July 10th, 2013. The ZZAZZ Glitch then contributed to it the next day and in December used it as part of a TAS run.
I'm quite amazed how Pokemon games manage to fit these insane rabbit holes of game mechanics that 99 percent of players would never encounter or bother with.
@@F_C... Game Freak is pretty notorious for planning things they never follow through on or fucking things up with oversights in their spaghetti code lol
I was so hyped as a kid when I did Mystery Gift with a friend and later saw their character appear as a battle in Viridian City. Was absolutely mind blowing for 9 year old me.
I had no friends and only ever used Mystery Gift with my Stadium 2 cart, so I thought that was just a room to fight Cal over and over and over again...
Oh yeah I remember getting experience from that battle so me and my friend used high level Pokémon so we could both go to level 100 faster. Unfortunately only 1 battle a day was allowed in Viridian City but it helped a lot
Wow. Another moment of "Thing I thought originated in Gen 3 actually originated in Gen 2" Just shows how much they could stuff into that Game Boy Color cart
The process to hack in the tentacool and pikachu bed literally sounds like some playground rumors on how to get Pikablue to appear lmao. Anyway, great video as always!
@@ddgnp1057gen 2 is peak still, despite everything. between the atmosphere of the actual games, the state of the series at the time, and the side content we were getting, gen 2 was the pinnacle. 4 and 5 are close, but nothing matches gen 2.
So they made the event have about a 1/500 chance of happening and used a PRNG with only 256 states? That's quite the bizarre choice, especially since the game already has a 32-bit PRNG with 4 billion states.
As someone actively in the crystal hacking community, yes, this is the problem. Even for situations that call for clear cut percent (out of 100) odds they instead roll a number out of 256 and apply a ratio to calculate the odds out of 100 but its obviously not able to be exact... We aren't sure why, the best guess is its easier and faster for the CPU to use 256 which is fair I guess... But I would think any gain you got from that would be wasted by having to do extra calculations after 💀
You can blame Nintendo EAD for the oversight with Tentacool Doll and Pikachu bed. They developed the Pokemon Stadium games alongside Hal Laboratory and were the sole developer of Pokemon Stadium 2.
I miss Hal Lab, Kirby the crystal shards and that beginning slide with the weiney dog and the eggs is seared into my memory I wish I could swim in that feeling
@@alwayshere6956 Dunno how you miss Hal Laboritories, in the past 15 years Kirby games have mostly ranged from good to awesome. Forgotten Land was hype.
@@alicevioleta3184 HAL Laboratory is one of the greatest companies in existence because they actually without a doubt ACTUALLY fucking care about making people happy with their games.
Omg, dude. I play Stadium 1 and 2 since I was 5. I learned English with it (alongside Ocarina of Time)! I always wanted to see a full completion of this decorations. I cannot describe in words how scarce content about this really is... And how grateful I am for you to bring this video. :D
Oh god, your story is exactly like mine. Same age, same games (Except for Ocarina of Time). I actually learned how to properly write in English before in my native language.
Wait, the Unown Doll was real after all?! Also, my favorite shot was not playing the system to get those elusive decorations (which was of course still also cool), but the shot of the real life Tentacool doll almost getting smashed by a wrench and then getting gently petted.
There’s something so charming about the glitches in older games, especially Pokémon games. The glitches have such a strange sequence and there’s something I love about that
If anyone's wondering about the Generation 1 mons having held items, they actually store the item ID in the Pokemon's catch rate. Since every individual Pokemon stored a catch rate before Gen 3 (which is useless when the Pokemon is already caught), it's used to store held items when trading between Gen 1 and 2. Pretty nifty. Those Stadium 1 mons had the trophies of course, but also Yellow's starter Pikachu is programmed to have a Light Ball, and any wild Kadabra from Yellow has a Twisted Spoon. Any Pokemon traded to Gen 1 will also keep their current held item.
Game Freak is so confounding because they can competently program a processor-intensive action game like Pulseman or Drill Dozer, but a simple RPG is just beyond them
In a lot of ways, it's a different skillset. Especially on harware as anemic as a Z80, an RPG of this scale is much more about memory accounting, data structures, data layout, flag/failsafe management, etc.
I've made both types of games and I personally think that creating an RPG engine and mechanics is significantly more difficult, especially on a tight time frame.
So crazy to think they used a single byte to power such poorly thought out RNG. Dealing with prng myself a bit, and always paranoid about falling for these traps, but dang, I'm impressed they did that on an N64 game and didn't expect it not to work lol.
This is why it's good to have (alternative) versions of functions that take an explicit seed and return a (newSeed, randomNumber) pair. Makes testing a lot easier, rather than just having this ephemeral, implicit randomness bouncing around your program without any of the code declaring or really being aware of it. Global variables are a well-known code wart, but I see this sort of thing done all of the time and it's arguably as bad for the same sorts of reasons. As tedious as this sounds, imagine how much easier it would have been to ensure this code would have worked, when you can easily generate a huge list of potential seeds and manually (as in, not calling rand(); you'd obviously automate it) pass the parameters to the function to see if you can actually generate the full range of expected results.
@@GuyDude-hk8uy yeah, I usually prefer to have multiple seeds. My projects on more modern engines usually have different instances of random for different purposes. My current, more assembly based project has 4 different seeds that are all longwords, and are all used for various different purposes. Might even introduce more if I ever need 5 rng calls in a row.
This is SO interesting to me. The way the chance to give out those last items is coded perfectly fine, there should be no problem with it, but a flaw in the game's own RNG makes it so luck will never be on your side. Who could have anticipated that? Making an object that runs on specific logic and instruction produce a random number is and continues to be an extremely difficult task. I've seen so many things in games manipulated because of that, but I've never before seen a perfectly functional feature being made straight up impossible because of it.
I remember using Mystery Gift with my sister several times. I got many small dolls and two plants. My sis got a Virtual Boy, and I was thinking "what is this". And then I learned years later the Virtual Boy was a pretty terrible console. It sold poorly, gave people headaches, and it's entire library of 11 games can be held in one hand.
Thank you for completing my life long dream. I love gen 2 with all my heart and kept hoping I'd one day finish this task with my brother's gbc until my Crystal version died. It reignited when Crystal came out in VC, but then quickly died again when I learned classic 3DS didn't have infrared readers. I probably never would have realized how impossible this task still would have been without this video. Congrats! Enjoy all your decorations for me and thanks for bring one of my favorite pokémon mechanics that everyone thinks was introduced in 3rd gen to light.
Dude, just... Thank you!! You are amazing! Never saw these decorationa before! And you simply put the tutorial to how obtain them... Thank you to end this mystery for me! :D
Heya! Fantastic video, but I wanted to add a little something: the list showing Mystery Gift drops is either incomplete, or upon porting the games to Virtual Console the list was edited, because I somehow got an EXP. Share from Mystery Gift. I've only ever heard one other person mention this and as far as I know she and I have the only documented instances of this occurring. I'm further convinced that the Virtual Console Mystery Gift yields were updated because I have Unown Doll and Pikachu Bed on one of my gen 2 saves, which I don't believe should be possible?
@hisaceinthehole3426 yeah, and as far as the EXP Share goes it turns out Tamashii/TamaHero also experienced this, so something definitely happened when these games were ported to 3DS.
Super cool to see some in-depth documentation about the room decorations and even some stuff about the coin case glitch! I can't wait to see what you come up with next.
What was the mystery? The fact that gen 2 has decorations at all? Honestly something I completely forgot about. Seriously, though, I love that some items are legit impossible just because of the pRNG algorithm. Big props to RainingChain for actually noticing that. Also, if you really care about people not realizing the mystery, you could add chapters to timestamp it.
Because of how much people dissected these game's data down to the byte, it seemed like people would never figure out how to get the fabled 3 room decorations without a cheat device or game mod. So this is truly extraordinary to see it finally being done! Just think about the history here: Not only did it take multiple people to figure these combinations out across the span of over 20 years, but incredibly you also tirelessly did the really time consuming work to get them all on a single cart!
And once again, a deep dive reveals just how much GameFreak overestimates the number of friends the average Pokemon player has who also play the main series games... Carrie in Stadium 2 was my only way to Mystery Gift in the GSC days. Though, I remember reading in Nintendo Power or a players guide that the Pikachu Bed is obtainable from Mystery Gifting with the Pocket Pikachu virtual pets that look like the lovechild of a GBC and a Tamagotchi... Wonder if that's true or if those are bugged as well... Or if it was just plain wrong(it might have been from a Prima Guide instead of a Nintendo guide).
Your dedication is legendary. I loved looking at my room in Stadium 2. Something I didn't hear you mention was Mystery Gifting from the Pokemon Pikachu 2 peripheral!
That's because it doesn't have any decorations ;) Basically when you connect the item is always based on how many Watts you sent, Blue Moon Falls has a full list
HGSS may not have room decorations but it has it's own unique things like gold leaves, the decorations case (and partner pokemon finding rare decorations in certain locations) as well as pokeball/battle entry decoration.
@@troublesomeflame9036 You can also place decorations in the safari zone. Pretty sure most people just skip doing anything at safari zone so they wont know lol. Also Shiny Leaf is a cool feature for sure, just wish it was not so impossible to do without internet.
Oh man, this video took me right back to being in middle school and swapping mystery gifts with my friend in the library before classes. One of us got that surfing pikachu doll one time and it was so exciting, it was such a cool feature. It's so wild seeing it broken down like this, and even more so seeing those unobtainable prizes in your room, congrats on the complete collection! 🎉
i'm kind of floored that they never tell you about decorations in mystery gift, or about rarities. i think as a kid i got a berry once and never bothered with the feature again.
Tbh I didn't know the scope lens was a gen 2 item. That's a weird tidbit of info I got from this today. I absolutely loved the decorations as a kid and always wanted that lapras doll seeing it in the internet. I settled for real life when the released the big plush on the merch site 😂
I had no clue the Mystery Gift feature was preserved on New 3DS. I remeber friends using it on GBC back in the day, though I couldn't take part, as the only Pokemon game I owned as a child was Yellow.
This is crazy. I thought there were only the 3 dolls that your mother bought for you. I didn't even know the Snorlax doll existed, let alone all the rest of this.
Neat. Me and my roommate both bought Gameboys and Gold and Silver version. We did the wonder trade every day for like 3 weeks. Kinda sucks now knowing that I never would've got everything between the two of us if I had continued even to this day.
See, to get over the barely sentient 1-2 year old, have an older sibling who's obsessed with Pokemon because they were gifted a Pokemon gameboy with pokemon yellow when you were born. I played each generation when they moved on. I still have our old games and gameboys
Strange, I spent years mystery gifting on Pokémon Stadium 2 and between my multiple versions of the game and somehow got the Pikachu Bed on two saves. My main save on Silver has a Pikachu themed room with the bed, Pikachu Doll and Surfing Pikachu Doll, and Pikachu Poster. Unfortunately their batteries all dried up around 2008/2009, but I am pretty sure I took a picture of the 3D version of my room on my tv at one point. I might have to track that down again. I never did get the trophies, as I only had Stadium 2 and never got Tentcool or Unown dolls, though.
@hisaceinthehole3426 I would not be quite sure. The more consistent you were with Mystery Gifting on Pokémon Stadium 2, the better the gifts seem to get. I know I came close to Mystery Gifting for almost an entire year straight, but between 2001 and 2007, there were times I took breaks or had too much going on to keep up with it. I would also Mystery Gift in-between my copies of Gold, Silver, and Crystal, as well as a couple of friends and family's versions on weekends or whenever I had access to a second GBC. There is a big span of time there and it was a while ago. But, I had them for a few years, as I would often try to help others get some of cool items I had collected through Mystery Gift. Showing off my Pikachu room in 3D on Stadium 2 was one of the highlights of having friends over. I also had completed the PokéDex on Silver, including Celebi and Mew. The former I got from a save file my friend had from a used copy of Silver he got from Game Crazy. Obviously had been Game Sharked or something, but he traded me over a Celebi and level 16 Shiny Dragonite (which I do still have proof of that at least) before resetting it. Mew I had simply gotten from the nugget bridge, fly from that one trainer glitch (whatever they are calling it now, haha).
@hisaceinthehole3426 I would count Celebi as obtainable (Crystal virtual console) I meant getting the legendary birds, Mewtwo and Mew FROM Johto, since you can transfer from Gen 1 but can't breed 👍
I await the litany of creepypastas concerning someone miraculously managing to obtain one of the impossible gifts, only for things to go awry (haunted cartridges, hyper-realistic blood, you know the drill.)
I was like "this is the Holographic Venusaur card all over again right?" as soon as you started talking about the last decorations, and it indeed was the case lol, at least this time someone was able to say no u to the code itself.
There are videos using this glitch to do all sorts of cool things! Like playin pong in pokemon gold and silver, or even creating new routes in game! I highly recommend anyone looking into that if it interests you, as people dont normally talk about this small community
Well done! Glad to see someone figure out the mystery behind the exclusive Stadium 2 decorations. It's unfortunate that it turned out that they are unobtainable. My first decorations outside of the ingame ones were the Gold and Silver trophies since they were easy enough to get on your own as long as you had Pokemon Stadium. I slowly got some of the doll and video game decorations before just using a Gameshark to get all of them.
Defeating the Elite 4 and Rival in the Gym Leader Castle in Pokémon Stadium also gives you the opportunity to obtain Eevee from among the 8 random Generation 1 Pokémon, including the 7 mentioned in the video.
I tried getting all decorations too a few months back untill it just… stopped. I knew I didn’t had anything, but thought that I was unlucky or something. I did not know that every copy just cannot get everything on their own with Stadium 2, thanks for sharing that and the rest of the video. It was a good watch ^^
Great video. I was just thinking of this topic and could only see Gen 3 decoration videos, but I’ve been playing Pokémon Stadium 2 for a while and always wanted to see the full scope of what’s available in these games decoration wise.
15:00 So that's why I never found the Tentacool Doll. I suppose on a technicality of a bug, I had every obtainable decoration at the time (I don't remember exact dates, but I remember that it was Summer of 2007). I tried for at least 15 days straight before I decided to do the math myself and realized the probability of getting the Tentacool Doll would be less than winning the lottery, so I gave up and decided to gamble my time elsewhere. Glad to know I made the right decision back then on a whim. Just knowing I had every at-the-time legitimate decoration, makes me happy to have confirmation of that goal that I thought would be forever unfinished. Unfortunately, the battery has run dry on both my gold and silver versions so I cannot even save the games anymore, much less play them to any extent beyond a glitchless speedrun (which I most-likely won't be doing). The only thing I have left from that era is a Pokemon Stadium 2 cartridge with a shiny Tyranitar, Steelix, and either Drowzee or Hypno on it. I can't remember if I evolved it or not, but I caught it as a Drowzee. I also have a full Unown alphabet on there as well. Unfortunately, due to the state of the games, I can't access those pokemon, and even if I had working games, I'd need at least 150 OWNED in Pokedex just to be able to withdraw any of them. It really is too bad that GF never made the connection from gen 2 to gen 3. Guess we'll have to wait and see if Goppier is able to get one working that he can publicly distribute. I'd love to transfer my 15+years old pokemon into recent generations (however much of a pain that may be).
You can use a save converter on Blue Moon Falls to turn your cartridge save into a Virtual Console save, and use 3DS homebrew to load that into a virtual console game that you can then transfer from into Generation 7 using Poke Transporter
@@SirToastyToes Wouldn't that fall under Pokemon's very strict "No creating or changing data of pokemon" aka "genning" or "hackmons" due to it being third-party software? After the whole mess at the recent World Championships with someone's Cresselia they've had "for forever" (WolfeVGC covered it if you're looking for the details), I want to be very careful with how I obtain my pokemon.
Thank you ..because yesterday i saw a video on how much work this is and i wondered if ever ever there is anyone who have done this..there we go there o go THANK YOU!!!! THIS IS INSAINE!!!!!!!
FINALLY a video on this topic. I actually made a guide about the decorations some weeks ago on reddit (TH-cam don’t let me post the link though), but I still didn’t had enough info on the Stadium 2 mechanics, so I just assumed the decorations were possible to obtain. I’m also trying to get all decorations, but without using the clock reset. It’s been 2 years already and still didn’t get all of them.
This is awesome! I really wish there was compatibility with the virtual console to see the trailer's bedroom decorations. Very well done and congratulations on the achievement! Cant wait for the next one
I had the Lapras in Crystal when I was a child! I assumed it's because I did that Pokemon league over 100 times because it's "how you catch Celebi" 😂 (anybody remember "cheatcc") Now I know it's the single time my friend and I did the IR so we could have each other to battle. Wild
I got most of the decorations from just using the coin case glitch without any setup. Doesn't change Cal and gives a free EXP Share too. (What I got were most of the dolls, the Pikachu bed and poster, SNES)
I just got Pokemon Stadium 1 and 2 , but not yet an N64 nor transfer pak... I am shocked to see how many of these decoration are hidden from the player! Thankfully I still have my Pokemon Crystal save data, can't wait to unlock these decorations and fully complete the game! Great video!!!!
When Gold came out back in around the year 2000, I can remember using a TV remote control and the Mystery Gift thingo in the game to somehow get an item called TERU-SAMA
Alright I'll hand you the "mystery" label for figuring out the Carrie situation but you can't claim getting all the decorations legitimately when the answer for the unobtainables was arbitrary code execution lmao
Haha yeah was it D0UBLESLAP? They've used some of my footage before for their short about My Pokemon Ranch I think they're really cool! When they mention that the oversight in Stadium 2 wasn't discovered until recently they were referring to the discovery talked about in this video :)
Ah, man. A bunch of things in old Neopets code, still crushing hopes and dreams to this day, are victims of nearly identical mathematical quandaries as these. I think the most notorious are the Scorchstone drops from the Healing Springs.
When I was 14, my friends and I would use a password calculator site (no idea if it was the one mentioned in the video) so that we could mystery gift lots of times per day. I distinctly remember doing this a lot during a sleepover
All 3DS models have an infrared sensor. The original 3DS and 3DS XL use it for the Circle Pad Pro.
Ah I think mine had it taken out for the capture card mod it has to fit. Neat!
Even the 2DS? I figured they'd have removed it to cut as many corners as possible.
@@Vulpas yep, It's by the game card slot. It just doesn't have an NFC reader like the New consoles do
@@Whiteythereaper Yeah now that I think about it more there was an IR NFC reader for older models to use Amiibo
@@SirToastyToes that does sound about right, most of the time its not something most care about so it was the natural pick to make room for the capture card.
"Some kid is gonna be so hyped when they get this bed" -the sprite artist, not realizing it's going to be over two decades until somebody actually acquired it
The insane odds on Mystery Gifting completely blew my mind. As a kid, I had the Big Lapras doll. I figured it was just an inevitable item you could obtain; I didn't realize I had won the Pokemon lottery.
And I'm now mad I deleted that file. Knew it was rare, but not that there's also a 7 in 8 of it simply never appearing from a particular file. And Lapras is my favourite :(
On the bright side the battery in your cartridge would have surely burnt out by now and your save file wiped.
people joke about being annoyed about mom buying you gifts with your own savings, but if my mom bought me a 1:1 scale snorlax plushie, i don't care if she put us into debt to do it, best mother ever
And, honestly, $228 isn't a bad price for it.
Ye at least that mom actually has a purpose..giving you cool stuff
Bro, GSC Mom is the best.
@@TheTrueMerrio she's literally the only one with a purpose, you'd think the mom is an mc but nah she just be some deadbeat off f***ing the professor
@@TheTrueMerrioSinnoh mom is a close second, since she also actually does stuff
I'm addicted to drugs
I'm addicted to gambling
I'm addicted to collecting hard to obtain virtual decorations in 20 year old games
Well, when you gotta 100% it, you GOTTA 100% it.
I love how this video starts off with the usual "decorative items having the hardest of conditions" before taking a steep nosedive into "using janky Gen 2 code to force a Pikachu bed into existence in defiance of God and Junichi Masuda"
Always love to see another Lewyn Profile Pic
@@momsforseti318not a lewyn pfp guy but i am an appreciator 👍 the fact that fe4 enjoyers are congregating under a video about obscure pokemon content is truly a fork in kitchen moment.
FE4 good game. One of the best OSTs on the SNES too.
Remake when?
@@nightingemYeah, FE4 is nice, so it's a nice sight
I love how the coin case glitch seems like one of those made up playground rumors.
it truly is, when he started taking about the bulbasaur cry I was almost sure he'd take a turn and say "yeah I just made up all that"
That’s why those rumors were so convincing: some of them were real lol. Pokémon games are held together with shoelaces and glue.
literally witchcraft, how the hell did people figure that out
@@jeshirekitenkatt1212 I think someone on the Glitch City Labs figured it out. It used to just be the Glitch Dimension trick, but someone checked the code to figure out why it happened in the non-Japanese game and realized the wrong terminator was used. (The best way for me to explain it is that terminators tell the game to stop executing code at a specific point once they are reached.) In any case, once it was discovered that the wrong terminator was used, it then became a game to figure out how best to exploit it as it was manipulatable, but you had to figure out which tiles would work, which was a pain back then with less resources.
Edit: Sanqui figured it out and posted it on July 10th, 2013. The ZZAZZ Glitch then contributed to it the next day and in December used it as part of a TAS run.
LMAO it’s so bizarre and I love that about it!
I'm quite amazed how Pokemon games manage to fit these insane rabbit holes of game mechanics that 99 percent of players would never encounter or bother with.
Probably was meant to players to access but developers lacked time or resources to fully implement the idea
@@F_C... Game Freak is pretty notorious for planning things they never follow through on or fucking things up with oversights in their spaghetti code lol
I was so hyped as a kid when I did Mystery Gift with a friend and later saw their character appear as a battle in Viridian City. Was absolutely mind blowing for 9 year old me.
Wow I thought RSE record mixing and exchanging secret bases was when this first became possible! Amazing that gen 2 already had something like this
I had no friends and only ever used Mystery Gift with my Stadium 2 cart, so I thought that was just a room to fight Cal over and over and over again...
Oh yeah I remember getting experience from that battle so me and my friend used high level Pokémon so we could both go to level 100 faster. Unfortunately only 1 battle a day was allowed in Viridian City but it helped a lot
Wow. Another moment of "Thing I thought originated in Gen 3 actually originated in Gen 2" Just shows how much they could stuff into that Game Boy Color cart
The process to hack in the tentacool and pikachu bed literally sounds like some playground rumors on how to get Pikablue to appear lmao. Anyway, great video as always!
That's exactly what I was thinking!
We need a movie with Nicholas Cage where he goes "Get me a coin case. Im gonna steal the decoration of Independence"
i like how they could barely fit Kanto into this game but somehow coded all this bs match and checks into it
@@gnomefrompinkerton That's Game Freak in general. Wasting resources on useless shit instead of adding meaningful content or making a functional game.
@@ddgnp1057gen 2 is peak still, despite everything. between the atmosphere of the actual games, the state of the series at the time, and the side content we were getting, gen 2 was the pinnacle. 4 and 5 are close, but nothing matches gen 2.
@@alicevioleta3184FINALLY SOMEBODY SEES GEN 2‘S TRUE CHARM you also forgot to mention Dunsparce. Who is also apart of gen 2‘s charm
@@GayMothWhoIsUgly Dunsparce is for Gen 2 what Farfetch'd is for Gen 1. "Rare doesn't mean useful/powerful" embodied.
@@RoninCatholic Dunsparce is just a funnier sillier little guy. This is what I meant
I wasn't even aware Gen 2 had decorations. Learn something new everyday.
It really would have made a lot more sense if your room was a place you ever returned to.
@@BMoser-bv6kn You return to your room when you beat the E4 or Red
😂
So they made the event have about a 1/500 chance of happening and used a PRNG with only 256 states? That's quite the bizarre choice, especially since the game already has a 32-bit PRNG with 4 billion states.
As someone actively in the crystal hacking community, yes, this is the problem. Even for situations that call for clear cut percent (out of 100) odds they instead roll a number out of 256 and apply a ratio to calculate the odds out of 100 but its obviously not able to be exact... We aren't sure why, the best guess is its easier and faster for the CPU to use 256 which is fair I guess... But I would think any gain you got from that would be wasted by having to do extra calculations after 💀
@@morgan4574 surely gamefreak is just uh... well im not going to say "bad" at code i know nothing about it. But i am going to say "bad"
@@morgan4574 I am shocked no one ever made action replay codes to get the codelocked decorations. I guess no one cared back in the day.
You can blame Nintendo EAD for the oversight with Tentacool Doll and Pikachu bed. They developed the Pokemon Stadium games alongside Hal Laboratory and were the sole developer of Pokemon Stadium 2.
I'm still fine blaming GameFreak regardless after recent years ngl
I miss Hal Lab, Kirby the crystal shards and that beginning slide with the weiney dog and the eggs is seared into my memory I wish I could swim in that feeling
@@alwayshere6956 Dunno how you miss Hal Laboritories, in the past 15 years Kirby games have mostly ranged from good to awesome. Forgotten Land was hype.
@@costby1105i personally miss HAL Lab pokemon games(Stadiums, Ranger)
@@alicevioleta3184 HAL Laboratory is one of the greatest companies in existence because they actually without a doubt ACTUALLY fucking care about making people happy with their games.
Omg, dude. I play Stadium 1 and 2 since I was 5. I learned English with it (alongside Ocarina of Time)! I always wanted to see a full completion of this decorations. I cannot describe in words how scarce content about this really is... And how grateful I am for you to bring this video. :D
I didn't learn English from it, but pokemon taught me how to read. Love that its such a common thing
Oh god, your story is exactly like mine. Same age, same games (Except for Ocarina of Time). I actually learned how to properly write in English before in my native language.
Holy shit, I never knew the boxes in the BDSP Grand Underground were actually a callback to gen 2. That's wild.
Wait, the Unown Doll was real after all?!
Also, my favorite shot was not playing the system to get those elusive decorations (which was of course still also cool), but the shot of the real life Tentacool doll almost getting smashed by a wrench and then getting gently petted.
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Here's a fun fact: the models of the dolls were used in Shop N' Squirtle in Pokemon Channel
Oh so that's why the Unown doll looked so familiar to me. I knew I had seen it somewhere before.
Wow an easter egg that doubles as a cruel tease.
There’s something so charming about the glitches in older games, especially Pokémon games. The glitches have such a strange sequence and there’s something I love about that
Since ACE is editing the RAM of the game, it's no different than using a Gameshark other than you not requiring an external tool for it.
If anyone's wondering about the Generation 1 mons having held items, they actually store the item ID in the Pokemon's catch rate. Since every individual Pokemon stored a catch rate before Gen 3 (which is useless when the Pokemon is already caught), it's used to store held items when trading between Gen 1 and 2. Pretty nifty.
Those Stadium 1 mons had the trophies of course, but also Yellow's starter Pikachu is programmed to have a Light Ball, and any wild Kadabra from Yellow has a Twisted Spoon. Any Pokemon traded to Gen 1 will also keep their current held item.
The quest for the comfiest room ever.
Game Freak is so confounding because they can competently program a processor-intensive action game like Pulseman or Drill Dozer, but a simple RPG is just beyond them
In a lot of ways, it's a different skillset. Especially on harware as anemic as a Z80, an RPG of this scale is much more about memory accounting, data structures, data layout, flag/failsafe management, etc.
I've made both types of games and I personally think that creating an RPG engine and mechanics is significantly more difficult, especially on a tight time frame.
So crazy to think they used a single byte to power such poorly thought out RNG. Dealing with prng myself a bit, and always paranoid about falling for these traps, but dang, I'm impressed they did that on an N64 game and didn't expect it not to work lol.
Man seeing this makes me wish someone could fix this lmao
This is why it's good to have (alternative) versions of functions that take an explicit seed and return a (newSeed, randomNumber) pair. Makes testing a lot easier, rather than just having this ephemeral, implicit randomness bouncing around your program without any of the code declaring or really being aware of it.
Global variables are a well-known code wart, but I see this sort of thing done all of the time and it's arguably as bad for the same sorts of reasons.
As tedious as this sounds, imagine how much easier it would have been to ensure this code would have worked, when you can easily generate a huge list of potential seeds and manually (as in, not calling rand(); you'd obviously automate it) pass the parameters to the function to see if you can actually generate the full range of expected results.
@@GuyDude-hk8uy yeah, I usually prefer to have multiple seeds. My projects on more modern engines usually have different instances of random for different purposes. My current, more assembly based project has 4 different seeds that are all longwords, and are all used for various different purposes. Might even introduce more if I ever need 5 rng calls in a row.
My head started hurting in the last third of this video.
I wish more people had passion for such niche collectables - I always love these videos!
I'm here for the lucky number show but I stayed for the information! this rocks!
This is SO interesting to me. The way the chance to give out those last items is coded perfectly fine, there should be no problem with it, but a flaw in the game's own RNG makes it so luck will never be on your side. Who could have anticipated that? Making an object that runs on specific logic and instruction produce a random number is and continues to be an extremely difficult task. I've seen so many things in games manipulated because of that, but I've never before seen a perfectly functional feature being made straight up impossible because of it.
who else but Game Freak?
I remember using Mystery Gift with my sister several times. I got many small dolls and two plants. My sis got a Virtual Boy, and I was thinking "what is this". And then I learned years later the Virtual Boy was a pretty terrible console. It sold poorly, gave people headaches, and it's entire library of 11 games can be held in one hand.
Thank you for completing my life long dream. I love gen 2 with all my heart and kept hoping I'd one day finish this task with my brother's gbc until my Crystal version died.
It reignited when Crystal came out in VC, but then quickly died again when I learned classic 3DS didn't have infrared readers. I probably never would have realized how impossible this task still would have been without this video.
Congrats! Enjoy all your decorations for me and thanks for bring one of my favorite pokémon mechanics that everyone thinks was introduced in 3rd gen to light.
I spent months Mistery Gifting myself everyday with my two 3DS Virtual Console copies and never got a single damn carpet. Thank you for this video.
Mysterygift works on 3ds???
What was the mystery again? Shadow Togepi is stored in the Park Balls?
Pi is indeed stored in the balls.
Pee is stored in the Park Balls
Dude, just... Thank you!! You are amazing! Never saw these decorationa before! And you simply put the tutorial to how obtain them... Thank you to end this mystery for me! :D
12:12 But when all hope was lost...
*IT'S RAININGCHAIN, ALLELUJAH - IT'S RAININGCHAIN, AMEN*
Heya! Fantastic video, but I wanted to add a little something: the list showing Mystery Gift drops is either incomplete, or upon porting the games to Virtual Console the list was edited, because I somehow got an EXP. Share from Mystery Gift. I've only ever heard one other person mention this and as far as I know she and I have the only documented instances of this occurring.
I'm further convinced that the Virtual Console Mystery Gift yields were updated because I have Unown Doll and Pikachu Bed on one of my gen 2 saves, which I don't believe should be possible?
Woaaaah. You got unknown doll from the virtual console version???
@hisaceinthehole3426 yeah, and as far as the EXP Share goes it turns out Tamashii/TamaHero also experienced this, so something definitely happened when these games were ported to 3DS.
@@Sev_Henry huh, well at least game freak were nice enough to fix those issues when porting to the virtual console.
Super cool to see some in-depth documentation about the room decorations and even some stuff about the coin case glitch! I can't wait to see what you come up with next.
What was the mystery? The fact that gen 2 has decorations at all? Honestly something I completely forgot about.
Seriously, though, I love that some items are legit impossible just because of the pRNG algorithm. Big props to RainingChain for actually noticing that.
Also, if you really care about people not realizing the mystery, you could add chapters to timestamp it.
41:07 I love when he yeeted the scrub daddy at him, and that scream was hilarious
I think this might be the wrong video :)
After years of "did you know" with me knowing, finally a video full of stuff I never knew despite playing since pokemon came to america lol.
Another absolutely spectacular deep dive on the mysteries and nuances of niche old-school Pokémon mechanics. Well done as always!
This mechanic was so obscure that even gamefreak itself forgot about it in the remakes
This is amazing, and I loved your ending to this video where you went to your bolt designed sheets. Amazing stuff man!
Because of how much people dissected these game's data down to the byte, it seemed like people would never figure out how to get the fabled 3 room decorations without a cheat device or game mod. So this is truly extraordinary to see it finally being done! Just think about the history here: Not only did it take multiple people to figure these combinations out across the span of over 20 years, but incredibly you also tirelessly did the really time consuming work to get them all on a single cart!
And once again, a deep dive reveals just how much GameFreak overestimates the number of friends the average Pokemon player has who also play the main series games... Carrie in Stadium 2 was my only way to Mystery Gift in the GSC days.
Though, I remember reading in Nintendo Power or a players guide that the Pikachu Bed is obtainable from Mystery Gifting with the Pocket Pikachu virtual pets that look like the lovechild of a GBC and a Tamagotchi... Wonder if that's true or if those are bugged as well... Or if it was just plain wrong(it might have been from a Prima Guide instead of a Nintendo guide).
Your dedication is legendary. I loved looking at my room in Stadium 2. Something I didn't hear you mention was Mystery Gifting from the Pokemon Pikachu 2 peripheral!
That's because it doesn't have any decorations ;)
Basically when you connect the item is always based on how many Watts you sent, Blue Moon Falls has a full list
@@SirToastyToes TIL, thank you! I swore I got decorations from it as a kid but 20+ year old memories aren't super reliable 🤣
The thing i miss the most in the remakes
Yeah idk why they thought Safari Zone was a good enough replacement. Being able to decorate your room was so fun.
considering the HG/SS carts had built in IR for the poke walker, they totally couldve did it again
HGSS may not have room decorations but it has it's own unique things like gold leaves, the decorations case (and partner pokemon finding rare decorations in certain locations) as well as pokeball/battle entry decoration.
@@troublesomeflame9036 You can also place decorations in the safari zone. Pretty sure most people just skip doing anything at safari zone so they wont know lol. Also Shiny Leaf is a cool feature for sure, just wish it was not so impossible to do without internet.
Oh man, this video took me right back to being in middle school and swapping mystery gifts with my friend in the library before classes. One of us got that surfing pikachu doll one time and it was so exciting, it was such a cool feature. It's so wild seeing it broken down like this, and even more so seeing those unobtainable prizes in your room, congrats on the complete collection! 🎉
i'm kind of floored that they never tell you about decorations in mystery gift, or about rarities. i think as a kid i got a berry once and never bothered with the feature again.
Tbh I didn't know the scope lens was a gen 2 item. That's a weird tidbit of info I got from this today.
I absolutely loved the decorations as a kid and always wanted that lapras doll seeing it in the internet. I settled for real life when the released the big plush on the merch site 😂
I had no clue the Mystery Gift feature was preserved on New 3DS. I remeber friends using it on GBC back in the day, though I couldn't take part, as the only Pokemon game I owned as a child was Yellow.
Surprised every day at the moment, by the amount of new pokemon content appearing, that I didn't know I needed to know.
Awesome work!
This is crazy. I thought there were only the 3 dolls that your mother bought for you. I didn't even know the Snorlax doll existed, let alone all the rest of this.
Absolutely love these types of videos, there's so much to explore here and you're a really great commentator!
I like how this deco stuff made a random NPC have a portrait and everything. Nice mystery solved!
All I can say is, wow. The ambiguous depth of this game was lost on all of us as kids. We had no idea how deep the iceberg went.
Hey thanks for making the video so visually interesting, i usually just hear these while shiny hunting but it was fun to see it too!
Unreal accomplishment, Toasty. You're the best in the biz!
This is a really cool video! I'm looking forward to seeing what interesting Pokémon obscurities you cover next.
That's actually really cool !
You even got the "G" Unown so you can show the world who's the GOAT
Neat. Me and my roommate both bought Gameboys and Gold and Silver version. We did the wonder trade every day for like 3 weeks. Kinda sucks now knowing that I never would've got everything between the two of us if I had continued even to this day.
See, to get over the barely sentient 1-2 year old, have an older sibling who's obsessed with Pokemon because they were gifted a Pokemon gameboy with pokemon yellow when you were born. I played each generation when they moved on. I still have our old games and gameboys
Strange, I spent years mystery gifting on Pokémon Stadium 2 and between my multiple versions of the game and somehow got the Pikachu Bed on two saves. My main save on Silver has a Pikachu themed room with the bed, Pikachu Doll and Surfing Pikachu Doll, and Pikachu Poster. Unfortunately their batteries all dried up around 2008/2009, but I am pretty sure I took a picture of the 3D version of my room on my tv at one point. I might have to track that down again. I never did get the trophies, as I only had Stadium 2 and never got Tentcool or Unown dolls, though.
Incredible if true. How long did it take and what do you think made it finally work?
@hisaceinthehole3426 I would not be quite sure. The more consistent you were with Mystery Gifting on Pokémon Stadium 2, the better the gifts seem to get. I know I came close to Mystery Gifting for almost an entire year straight, but between 2001 and 2007, there were times I took breaks or had too much going on to keep up with it. I would also Mystery Gift in-between my copies of Gold, Silver, and Crystal, as well as a couple of friends and family's versions on weekends or whenever I had access to a second GBC.
There is a big span of time there and it was a while ago. But, I had them for a few years, as I would often try to help others get some of cool items I had collected through Mystery Gift. Showing off my Pikachu room in 3D on Stadium 2 was one of the highlights of having friends over.
I also had completed the PokéDex on Silver, including Celebi and Mew. The former I got from a save file my friend had from a used copy of Silver he got from Game Crazy. Obviously had been Game Sharked or something, but he traded me over a Celebi and level 16 Shiny Dragonite (which I do still have proof of that at least) before resetting it. Mew I had simply gotten from the nugget bridge, fly from that one trainer glitch (whatever they are calling it now, haha).
@@stoic_hero he gave you a shiny dragonite??? What a good friend, damn
Well done sir! That coin case glitch is something else! (I did it recently to get the 5 "unobtainable" Pokémon in GSC.
AMAZING work!
5? I know celebei is. Ard you referring to the kanto legendaries? I'm assuming you don't have gen 1 games?
@hisaceinthehole3426 I would count Celebi as obtainable (Crystal virtual console)
I meant getting the legendary birds, Mewtwo and Mew FROM Johto, since you can transfer from Gen 1 but can't breed 👍
@@EveryGameEver true
I await the litany of creepypastas concerning someone miraculously managing to obtain one of the impossible gifts, only for things to go awry (haunted cartridges, hyper-realistic blood, you know the drill.)
I was like "this is the Holographic Venusaur card all over again right?" as soon as you started talking about the last decorations, and it indeed was the case lol, at least this time someone was able to say no u to the code itself.
I love when someone gets obsessed with Pokémon gen 2, you're a champ!
There are videos using this glitch to do all sorts of cool things! Like playin pong in pokemon gold and silver, or even creating new routes in game! I highly recommend anyone looking into that if it interests you, as people dont normally talk about this small community
When you were talking about all the step for the glitch, I had to pause to check the date to see if it wasn't an April's foolery
Well done! Glad to see someone figure out the mystery behind the exclusive Stadium 2 decorations. It's unfortunate that it turned out that they are unobtainable.
My first decorations outside of the ingame ones were the Gold and Silver trophies since they were easy enough to get on your own as long as you had Pokemon Stadium. I slowly got some of the doll and video game decorations before just using a Gameshark to get all of them.
Defeating the Elite 4 and Rival in the Gym Leader Castle in Pokémon Stadium also gives you the opportunity to obtain Eevee from among the 8 random Generation 1 Pokémon, including the 7 mentioned in the video.
This is the best kind of content obscure Pokémon vids are so good
I tried getting all decorations too a few months back untill it just… stopped.
I knew I didn’t had anything, but thought that I was unlucky or something. I did not know that every copy just cannot get everything on their own with Stadium 2, thanks for sharing that and the rest of the video. It was a good watch ^^
Welp. _Thats a heartbreaker._ At least I can still shiny hunt on it.
Knocked out of the park once again, or should I say out of the Stadium
You've saved me so much time looking for my Scope Lens! Thank you!
"We deleted the kanto safari zone so the player could have a pikachu bed (sike not really)"
Great video. I was just thinking of this topic and could only see Gen 3 decoration videos, but I’ve been playing Pokémon Stadium 2 for a while and always wanted to see the full scope of what’s available in these games decoration wise.
15:00 So that's why I never found the Tentacool Doll. I suppose on a technicality of a bug, I had every obtainable decoration at the time (I don't remember exact dates, but I remember that it was Summer of 2007). I tried for at least 15 days straight before I decided to do the math myself and realized the probability of getting the Tentacool Doll would be less than winning the lottery, so I gave up and decided to gamble my time elsewhere. Glad to know I made the right decision back then on a whim. Just knowing I had every at-the-time legitimate decoration, makes me happy to have confirmation of that goal that I thought would be forever unfinished. Unfortunately, the battery has run dry on both my gold and silver versions so I cannot even save the games anymore, much less play them to any extent beyond a glitchless speedrun (which I most-likely won't be doing). The only thing I have left from that era is a Pokemon Stadium 2 cartridge with a shiny Tyranitar, Steelix, and either Drowzee or Hypno on it. I can't remember if I evolved it or not, but I caught it as a Drowzee. I also have a full Unown alphabet on there as well. Unfortunately, due to the state of the games, I can't access those pokemon, and even if I had working games, I'd need at least 150 OWNED in Pokedex just to be able to withdraw any of them. It really is too bad that GF never made the connection from gen 2 to gen 3. Guess we'll have to wait and see if Goppier is able to get one working that he can publicly distribute. I'd love to transfer my 15+years old pokemon into recent generations (however much of a pain that may be).
You can use a save converter on Blue Moon Falls to turn your cartridge save into a Virtual Console save, and use 3DS homebrew to load that into a virtual console game that you can then transfer from into Generation 7 using Poke Transporter
@@SirToastyToes Wouldn't that fall under Pokemon's very strict "No creating or changing data of pokemon" aka "genning" or "hackmons" due to it being third-party software? After the whole mess at the recent World Championships with someone's Cresselia they've had "for forever" (WolfeVGC covered it if you're looking for the details), I want to be very careful with how I obtain my pokemon.
Thank you ..because yesterday i saw a video on how much work this is and i wondered if ever ever there is anyone who have done this..there we go there o go THANK YOU!!!! THIS IS INSAINE!!!!!!!
Using the computer as an in game save state hack is incredible
FINALLY a video on this topic. I actually made a guide about the decorations some weeks ago on reddit (TH-cam don’t let me post the link though), but I still didn’t had enough info on the Stadium 2 mechanics, so I just assumed the decorations were possible to obtain. I’m also trying to get all decorations, but without using the clock reset. It’s been 2 years already and still didn’t get all of them.
This is awesome! I really wish there was compatibility with the virtual console to see the trailer's bedroom decorations. Very well done and congratulations on the achievement! Cant wait for the next one
I had the Lapras in Crystal when I was a child!
I assumed it's because I did that Pokemon league over 100 times because it's "how you catch Celebi" 😂 (anybody remember "cheatcc")
Now I know it's the single time my friend and I did the IR so we could have each other to battle.
Wild
Big Lapra's first try? Incredible luck
These videos are always a joy to watch
This is why I loved Pokémon so much back then
I got most of the decorations from just using the coin case glitch without any setup. Doesn't change Cal and gives a free EXP Share too. (What I got were most of the dolls, the Pikachu bed and poster, SNES)
Really love how the Coin Case glitch is like a playground rumor but functional.
This is right up my alley! I play so much stadium 2 with gold and I mystery gift with that girl every time.
keep it up man. this video deserves to blow up!
I just got Pokemon Stadium 1 and 2 , but not yet an N64 nor transfer pak... I am shocked to see how many of these decoration are hidden from the player! Thankfully I still have my Pokemon Crystal save data, can't wait to unlock these decorations and fully complete the game! Great video!!!!
When Gold came out back in around the year 2000, I can remember using a TV remote control and the Mystery Gift thingo in the game to somehow get an item called TERU-SAMA
bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Teru-sama
Alright I'll hand you the "mystery" label for figuring out the Carrie situation but you can't claim getting all the decorations legitimately when the answer for the unobtainables was arbitrary code execution lmao
came here from a video saying no one could 100% this without a Gameshark. well played sir
Haha yeah was it D0UBLESLAP? They've used some of my footage before for their short about My Pokemon Ranch I think they're really cool! When they mention that the oversight in Stadium 2 wasn't discovered until recently they were referring to the discovery talked about in this video :)
You’re telling me there isn’t a time travel putting random stuff into these old games? How are we just finding out about stuff like this? Great video!
Me as a 10 year old 'omg Chimeco is so rare!'
What was actually rare when I was 10 years old:
Ah, man. A bunch of things in old Neopets code, still crushing hopes and dreams to this day, are victims of nearly identical mathematical quandaries as these. I think the most notorious are the Scorchstone drops from the Healing Springs.
Wow! Thanks for sharing. Congrats brother!
When I was 14, my friends and I would use a password calculator site (no idea if it was the one mentioned in the video) so that we could mystery gift lots of times per day. I distinctly remember doing this a lot during a sleepover
This was fascinating, I’ve been wanting a needlessly in-depth explanation of obscure Pokémon mechanics! (Genuinely! I am a strange person!)
Great run & analysis video! Thanks for uploading!