I saw the murder as a mercy killing, he grew fond of the nice lady, but his obsession constantly consumes him. The nice lady constantly pleads him to realise his delusions but he just can't, and understands the pain the nice lady will go through, understanding she doesn't want to be alone. And so he does what he does, perhaps out of incredibly sick version of empathy. He had someone he cared about and cared about him but he couldn't let go of obsession.
Yeah. That was my read. It's truly a shame that Eric is so obsessed with a woman that hates him because his flashback and his brief collaboration with Rick show that he has the potential to be more than just a monster.
I don’t know if I consider Eric to be completely without empathy. He just has a very warped and selfish logic. He didn’t just kill the old woman just because but because he felt it was a mercy compared to leaving her lonely and miserable. That doesn’t make it right, but it’s a bit more than Eric likes to kill.
I kind of disagree because he kills those pilots for literally no reason, and he's willing to kill basically anyone without any reason; the students at the college, for instance. He's basically 100% focused on what he wants all the time, and typically empathy requires you to be able to think about being in someone else's shoes for a hot minute. That's not something he seems even capable of doing as a character. Like I get how people see it as you're saying, but I don't think it's quite that deep to him. I'm not sure he really values life at all or truly understands the deeper parts of it, there's been many moments where despite having a very advanced vocabulary he's been shown to be rather simpleminded and focused only on hedonism / self gain; his intro with the girls on the boat, etc. I read it as him being a very specific kind of man who can't see the world or anyone's value outside of his own.
It's a very abelist line of thinking but one that's quite common. "I would be miserable if I had to live with that disability" somehow becomes them projecting their own hypathetical misery onto the person, convincing themselves it's a mercy to kill them. The ultimate irony being, she wasn't miserable because she was blind, she seemed so at peace with it. She was lonely because she had no family. He can't cure blindness. he could have kept her company. But my mans is so in his own head he couldn't even see that as an option. had to get back to his "bride".
My theory is that it is a very elaborate set up, Circe is trying to make the Vision come true, but in order for it to come true, the creature commandos specifically have to try to, and FAIL to assasinate the Princess. So she has a reason to be angry at the USA and attack. Circe wasn't actually going to kill the princess herself, it was a setup and she allowed herself to get taken in, in order to set all of this in motion.
The scratches on her face felt pretty similar to something Weasel could do, so that seemed to be the direction they were heading in, but now I'm worried about Weasel :c
Which I buy but it's a dumb thing to do. This is going far and out of your way to fulfill a self-fulfilling prophecy. Seriously, this sounds like a plot that they could have avoided if Circe had not done anything
Circe transmitted false visions into Amanda Waller's mind. I knew from the beginning because Circe is actually the Princess in the vision. I will die on that hill because I grew up with the OG Wonder Woman and know how evil Circe is.
Tho it is also possible that Circe revealing her vision to Waller actaul start the chain of events that lead to World War 3. Like a force associated with the American Government trying to assassinate the Princess can be seen as an Act of War
I think the expert was killed after circe gave Amanda those visions just based on how different she acted when she was Clayfaces vs in the interrogation. Those visions were real
Totally! Imagine for a moment, when she was talking to waller about the vision and she says "the island full of LESSSSBBBIANSSSS!" Completely out of place for the character at that moment. The first scene with her vs that classroom scene? So wildly different
Eric Frankenstein is a great example of high intelligence, low wisdom. Knows a lot of things, but doesn’t understand why things are important or understand people
James Gunn has always valued themes and builds the story around it. Whatever the plot of this show is, i am thoroughly enjoying the theme of “appearances do not make the man or woman”
I think there’s a much simpler explanation for Circe: the vision is true, but the part we (and Circe) don’t see is that it’s the Creature Commandos trying to kill the princess that causes the vision to come to pass. McPherson told Waller that clairvoyants don’t choose what moments of the future they see - I’m willing to take this as truth. So what that could mean is that this vision only comes true if the Commados try to kill the princess, since it shows Waller once again choosing to assume the worst of people leading to the worst possible outcome
I commented this before but ,isn't it weird how the professor in this episode pronounces Themyscira as "Tim-is-kira" multiple times, while in the previous one when she's with Waller she pronounced it as "Them-is-kira".
I like this theory, and I've seen it floating around a little, but I think we're forgetting that Clayface is an actor by profession. I think it more likely is that he was brought on specifically to convince Waller to kill the princess, and after that was basically allowed to do whatever he wants. And that would also explain his behavior in the college, since he basically has a new lease on life, away from Gotham and Batman.
My theory is that Amanda Waller is playing the long game to get task force x re-established by pinning the the damage done to polkistan on the Creature Commandoes and season 2 will be a CC VS SS
My theory right now is that Clayface is actually working for the princess in a plan to try to create desbelief in CIrce's vision. Maybe she has a mole inside Waller's forces (or the Creature Commandos) who informed her aboutthe whole vision moment between Circe and Waller and, to try to discredit it, she went after killing the Dra. and putting a very obvious shapshifter like Clayface in her place to turn the table?
@@thezx5795 What I got from watching the show is they have their own proto Legion Of Doom and are using the conflict to make The USA an enemy of countries like pokolistan making the USA more vulnerable to attacks from the Legion and the person in the vision isn't actually the princess but Circe
I'm assuming Waller is up to something. She's always doing that 4d chess thing. Not sure if she's behind this whole thing, but she's going to use this whole thing to advance whatever her agenda happens to be. What a despicable woman.
Her agenda is to have superhero’s more accessible and popular worldwide. This could be tied into superman, where tech companies are used to control and sponsor superheros, however superman is the only one whos a problem for societies newly written rules, trying to do whatever he can to do what’s right whenever he can.
I was pretty sure by last episode that Circe was going to use the Creature Commandos to instigate that vision, whether that was intentional or not. The Clayface movie could be set in the past, which would be kinda funny, but it's awesome how much respect these characters are getting that we now have a big budget Clayface movie coming
The problem with attempting to prevent something that may happen in the future is that the act of preventing it actually ends up fulfilling the reality of the prediction. If they left the Princess alone then that future would not occur.
I think Circe genuinely belives the vision and is a pawn in another villains game here. I think Grodd for some reason wants the princess dead, and he implanted a false vision into her head and sent clayface to pose as the leading expert on Themyscira to back up the implanted vision. I don't know what his goal is but I think thats whats going on.
I wonder why Circe needs a Simpcel Army, like in theory she could take on armies herself, and if she needs minions she could conjure loyal beastmen. On the creative side, I guess the Simpcels might be comentary on Gunn's own experiences
My theory is Gunn doesnt bother about Wonder Woman mythos lol so he also lacks understanding of Circe, that's why he also made her an Amazon in DCU. He just knows Circe is a sorceress and he needed a witch for CC.
Grant Morrison’s Frankenstein was such a cool strong silent badass in the comics. Like a warrior with the hart of a poet. I hope they dont change him in the comics to match James version. Like they did with starlord.
Comic star lord mostly changed because, for better or worse, Gunn actually made him a likeable character. Gunns Frankenstein, frankly, sucks, so I doubt their gonna do anything
@cornfield2120 yeah but, just to be clear Starlord was already likable in the comics (read Annihilation if you havent) he just wasn’t a goofy womanizing manchild (but With a heart of gold) like Gunn made him.
@ that’s fair, I just meant he wasn’t a “generally” liked character. It’s his characterization in the movies that made him a household name, not his minimal and often confusing role in pre-mcu comics
I do have my doubts with Eric in Creature Commandos... but while I do think his murder of the old woman was awful on the surface... something he said before the flashback ever happened really stuck out to me... He was looking at all the cats and leashes, saying how "odd" they seem and called it an 'augery' or "bad omen", and that he knows these things because he once "stayed with an old gypsy that dabbled in the occult". And I could be overthinking this... but maybe there was more to the old woman than we see? Also like... I don't really feel any pity for Dr. Frankenstine. He literally was hooking up with the Bride when he's married with kids and the Bride isn't even mentally mature to understand much of what he's doing. She may as well be mentally about 7 or 8 years old by the time the Doctor does... that, with her. He acted like a father to her, but never Eric, and then just has sex with her when he's already got a wife... I wonder if he did it to spite Eric or had bad intentions with both of them we don't know about yet. Like something is really fishy here and I am beginning to wonder if there could be more about Eric they aren't showing us just yet.
While I really like your theory, I personally saw his comment about the old woman dealing with the 'occult' as more evidence of his quasi-delusional 'fantasy' outlook on life...we hear what we says, but in the flashback she was just a lonely old romani woman living in the woods. While there definitely could be more to that, I think it was likely just another case of Eric being...Eric. For example, he always talks about 'his' Bride and how she's 'playing hard to get', etc but the reality is she hates him, has always been freaked out by him, and just wants him to leave her alone. He was convinced the Bride had a thing for Flagg, but the two had barely interacted with one another. He murdered the pilots for 'judging him' for being unable to grow facial hair, when it was clearly all in his head. Over and over, the show demonstrates to us how unstable Eric is...not only does he constantly jump to wild conclusions, but he also exaggerates everything in his own mind to make them more interesting; he romantacizes things he likes, while demonizing things that annoy or displease him. I think they definitely had borderline personality disorder in mind when they wrote him. All that said, I find your observations are really interesting and you very well could be onto something...these are just my own observations on things. I'm also totally with you on Dr. Frankenstein. While he was not behaving inconsistantly for the standards of his time, by our standards he's a total creep and a predator. I feel like at some point this is gonna come up again.
@@IronShaman81Im pretty sure cheating on you wife with a corpse that has the mind of a child, that you created with the sole purpose of being someones else girl friend, would be seen poorly in any part of history, regardless i agree with you.
@@IronShaman81 I mean that's also very true. It's why I am not 100% certain on it, but I do imagine there is at least some possibility. He does have a habit of having a rose colored view of things when it comes to his own desires, and he's extremely self centered. I just want to give him a bit more time to see where it goes at least before finally just saying "yeah he's a completely irredeemable asshole". The thing with the cats on leashes was just so oddly highlighted by the narrative so... I think there is at least some chance of Eric being correct on that point.
I think Frankenstein is very much meant to foil the commandos, we've been seeing their backstories and how despite appearances they aren't really monsters. Frankenstein meanwhile seems to initially have a sympathetic backstory here, but then we find that his own obsession, his own sick self-obsessed world view makes him a monster through and through. He cannot be taught, he will not grow. He has wandered for centuries and nothing about him as changed, age is no excuse any more. His upbringing is no excuse, he's had good people in his life, opportunities to begin anew, but he cannot let go of his possessive nature over the Bride.
@@BeyondTrash-xe1vs honestly that may very well be what happens, I just hope they wouldn't. I find that trope just gets stale... plus it really doesn't make any sense to me. People change all the time and literally no one "never changes", even the most stubborn. Change can be for the better or worse. In the end it's all fiction, but I just really hope they would avoid that route.
4:44 Clayface is a professional actor. He lives for the performance. And given that Amanda had never met McPherson before this (I assume), all Clayface had to do was sound convincingly professional, and that combined with Waller clearly being shaken by the vision, would have been enough to send the CC to kill the princess
Clay face is definitely not dead, he has a weakness to electricity and freezing cold temperatures they're very detrimental to him but they don't kill him, his regeneration factor is crazy
A thing I’d like to add is that Circe did spare the bride and fish lady when she could’ve easily killed them in ep 2, she didnt even lay a trap for the rest of the creature commandos. The diversion was going to happen regardless, and it wasn’t until GI robot went ham that she started using lethal force.
It really seems like they're wanting us to believe the princess is innocent. I think she's hiding something big. Probably not what was in Circe's vision, but still something that will need to be dealt with.
Rick Flagg’s (Sr or Jr) brain is going to be put into Frankenstein’s body after the Bride finally takes him down. This was we get both Flagg AND Frankenstein
Couldn’t Circe see a future where Clayface is the princess and he only takes over her persona because Circe kills the original princess because she sees that future? One of those self fulfilling prophecy type situations.
Theory: The vision is real but Circe is trying to have it realized by goading the Americans into declaring war on Pokolistan and pushing it into the arms of Grodd for aid.
My (convoluted) theory is that Grodd is playing Circe. He wants the princess dead for one reason or another (maybe to cause an international incident, maybe to cause a smaller political shift to his advantage) and put the vision into Circe's head with his mind powers. When Circe got captured, he figured she'd try and warn people about the vision, and hired Clayface to replace the professor to ensure that people would believe her (Clayface is now just hanging out as the professor just in case, but isn't giving as much of a shit about keeping his cover).
My current theory is Creature Commandos is the sneak-prequel to Superman so the movie can have more punching, no one will survive, and the "second season" will be changed to a new series and was always planned to be.
I do feel like it's gonna be hard to continue with these guys at this point, I like Dr. Phosphorus but I'm struggling to root for the psycho now. They could just bring in an new squad of characters but at that point I'd want them to just make it the Suicide Squad again.
Doc Phosphorus seems to be pretty damn hard to kill, so I doubt he won’t make it out alive, same with Weasel because that would be hilarious. I think Frankie or Bride will die, one or the other, and I hope Nina doesn’t die lol
I’m of the opinion that everything Circe is doing is to make sure that vision comes to pass. She wants Rostovic to turn against and destroy the US, along with Wonder Woman and other US-based superheroes, so that she is free to conquer Paradise Island as she wants to. I think Clayface was someone she hired to sell her manipulated vision to Waller, and I think Grodd may already be in Pokolistan taking advantage of the Princess’s desire for rapid progress to advancer her country, and helping them upgrade their military capabilities (those purple blasters the amethyst knights use) to make Pokolistan powerful enough to destroy the US.
Flag will be alright too, he’s not dead as he’s in Superman and Peacemaker. Frank will probably be sent to find the Creature Commandos. And The Bride will probably gain respect for Frank although they won’t be together I don’t think at least not yet.
I'm pretty sure in the comics Rick Flagg has come back as a clone. The original Rick Flagg was written so long ago that it needed to be explained how he was still alive and active. I think the comics explained it by saying that the younger version of Flagg was actually a clone of the original and wasn't "Junior" at all. So.... my hope for Joel Kinnaman lives!
I assume that the real MacPherson was the one in the prison, since Clayface is barely disguising his personality when we see him disguised as her in the next episode.
Or maybe Grodd si going to control the princess and Circe saw the real future but mistaken the princess for the main villain insted of Grodd. And Clayface is just working with Circe for money as a plan B.
Maybe Circe, Grodd, and Clayface are signs of a legion of doom are at work. The monster's thing seems like he's just emotionally immature, selfish and overly dramatic. He said he didn't intend to leave the old lady alone but also wanted to find his bride so is logic just came down to killing her was an act of mercy
I think psycho pirate is manipulating Cersei so those premonitions are real from her mindset and it would explain why the princess is going to flip on the world and be evil. Psycho pirate can manipulate how people feel or perceive things and act out. So a team of monsters who know and accept themselves will be able to see through the manipulation
Is no one gonna talk about how weird it is victor slept with the bride when she was like a month old and literally his creation? Like Eric obviously has flaws and is clearly possessive but I don’t think it’s as black and white as it seems
I think the show is set in a bubble DCEU where events of Shazam, Peace Maker 1 and the other movies are still canon but by the end of the show there would be a cross over and that’s what Circe is foretelling.
I like to see Frankenstein’s character develop through his backstory I like that there’s something just fundamentally not there in him that’s in other people he’s interesting because he is a result of one man’s hubris a man that shouldn’t exist
That old woman was alive in the present day, we see her before we see Frankenstein. I think Frankenstein figured out the experiment that brought him to life and did that to Flagg.
Imagine being a reanimated corpse... a construct of a being... then given promise of someone like him. A singular one being that is like him, made as his supposed companion Learning a lesson on letting go of THAT aint gonna take some rando dandos he met yesterday telling him stuff... His entire fabric of reality is built on a lie... Realizing that one's entire existence is built on a lie is something actual not-reanimated-corpse humans have trouble learning in entire lifetimes... Expecting him to unlearn a horrible existential habit on a whim because of some rando dandos... is so extremely unreasonable
I dont know maybe she's (the princess) circe's daughter and saw her a threat as she may potentially have or can counter her powers? Similar to greek gods and how petty they are lol.
I saw this episode, even with Clayface, and thought exactly who was behind taking that professor out. I thought back to the second Suicide Squad movie. Waller seems like she may be behind it. I almost feel like Flagg may fake his death to bring Frankenstein into the Commandos. I'm more interested in what's behind the vision of the princess and who is actually responsible for sending Clayface to replace the professor and for what reason.
Gunn makes an unusual decision. 1. Eric believed the old lady because the entire reason Eric was here was because the old lady told him he had found the bride. 2. Why Did Gunn kill Rick Flag? Despite his upcoming role in the new Superman film. 3. "So you are telling me Clayface killed a Gotham professor lived in her home, drank beer, played Mortal Kombat, and fed her cat. All the while, impersonate the professor for who knows how long and continue to work at her job, reassuring her parents that she is still alive, all the while the government has not kept tabs on this dangerous individual, and clay face bumbling in a government run prison making shit that could result in WW3. 4. G.I robot died in his third episode and there is no word on where he is? 5. Strange color mixing
Clayface is usually an expert actor and impersonator. I'm gonna assume he isn't doing this randomly and has guides and resources to keep the facade Also, GIBot is just gone, I don't think there's anything more to say about that
@@LouiseBelcher69 I said "I'm gonna assume he isn't doing this randomly". How do you arrive from that to "he did it for vibes"? No, he probably didn't, it's obviously part of some plan, one that accounts for minecrafting the doctor, it may even necessitate it, we don't know yet About the government reprogramming GIBot, they already took what they needed from him. I suppose you know it because you're in this channel but the government made the Metal Men based on GIBot, far more advanced and powerful than him. At this point GIBot is but an old toaster technology-wise
I think Frankenstein is a little empathetic… like his murder of the old woman had a bit of mercy. Offing her is better than leaving her alone with the pain and heartbreak. Kinda. He still did the worst thing.
No need to overthink it, especially in a show as silly as this. With clayface's intervention it's very clear that the vision Circe employed is either very curated snippets of the future that is missing vital context to it's creation, or just a blatant fabrication.
I’m curious about how Grodd works out here, like is he going to be the Thanos of the DCU or is he just a villain for the Waller side of the universe? If so, what is his vibe?
So I'm not sure but maybe Creature Commandos takes place after Peacemaker season 2 and Superman. Personally I hope that's not the case because I don't want the character to die but it's a possibility right?
Preface to this claim: I have not watched any of Creature Commandos, I don't have Max, I have only consumed the show through this series and like, 2 other videos, but my immediate hare-brained theory is that whoever is behind this, the goal is to cause one of two things to happen: 1. The Creature Commandos are supposed to attack the Princess, motivating her to enact the vision that Circe has revealed. or 2. The Creature Commandos are meant to foil a separate attack, probably made by the United States, against the Princess, in order to prevent the attack. Because it is impossible that they didn't kill Rick Flagg Sr here in order to have someone impersonate him later as part of a FALSE FLAG operation.
Pokolistan doesnt seem very advanced, which makes their fancy knight armor a mystery. Did they get that tech from someone who is orchestrating events to showcase it on an international level? Is this an elaborate arms demonstration?
I feel like Frankenstein is going to be redeemed. I can see in another episode we get a flashback where the "nice" old lady turns out to have been a evil gypsy. Maybe she kidnapped a few kids or something really evil. And Eric kills her before leaving because she was low key evil. That just feels like a Gunn twist. Then we all will be like ohhh he killed the old lady for a reason😂
Same tho! Like something about the whole scenario feels off because Eric mentions he "once stayed with an old gypsy who dabbled in the occult" when talking about the cats on leashes seeming like a bad omen. It's such a specific thing to notice or add to a script, and it feels like a clue to something deeper going on. I am not giving up on Eric yet at least lol.
@anklebiter2323 exactly lol. He says she dabbled in the occult, but the flashbacks make her seem nice. Maybe he saw her doing dark shit. Eric can't be that bad 🤣🤣
Whatever happens will be resolved before Superman. I thought this has been build up for the Themyscira show. They seem to be really interested in Amazon stuff, it’s kinda driving the whole plot.
It sounds like the clayface movie is an origin story based off of reports. I’m interested to see how much of clayface we actually see, since it’s only got a 40 million dollar budget.
Why are you so insistent that Grodd and Circe are on the same team? Grodd was the princess's general in that vision. Circe is actively trying to kill the princess to prevent that vision from becoming true. Circe and Grodd are not working together, they are literally on opposite teams in this scenario. Grodd is team princess, Circe is against the princess which by association means she is against Grodd
Circe needs to get waller to do it to complicate international relations. The princess is obviously scratched by weasel and survives and launches a war in retaliation. Circe maybe had a prophecy that doomsday or something would come with all the superheroes so she orchestrated a war on superheroes. Also it seems like in the superman trailer they were shooting at superman. Maybe waller goes too far and starts a war on superheroes.
I dunno man, I'm only really tuned into this stuff because I'm a comic fan, but this seems to be James Gunn just telling his own stories with DC Characters, not doing any homages or treatments of previously beloved stories. The appearance of Frankenstein keeps making me think I'm getting some Grant Morrison Seven Soldiers action, but that's clearly not the case, and it kinda disappoints me. This is too much Gunn, not enough DC.
I'm really unsure about what's going on too. I have a feeling cerce's vision was real but the professor woman is where I'm confused. It would make sense that clayface was sent in by whomever to impersonate her with the goal of convincing waller of the vision, but they made a point to show how incompotant he is at faking expertise like in the classroom. She seemed like a completely different person. So why then would he have killed and replaced her after the fact? To steer waller away from killing the princess? to do the opposite? is grod in charge of this? idkk
How so? the blood on the floor was fresh & sticky with the body still left on the chair. Waller knew flag was doing it with the Princess & refused to kill her, and did nothing to stop him leaving to ... warn the princess. So if she was doing her job the CC would have killed the Princess, and we know Waller is not a villain just a dick. Circe was only hiding the reason for attacking the Bride. And it's like to do with the purple gem she has, and likewise the Princess. The laugh in the vision sounds like Granny Goodness who is a brilliant military commander & can make advanced weapons.
I saw the murder as a mercy killing, he grew fond of the nice lady, but his obsession constantly consumes him. The nice lady constantly pleads him to realise his delusions but he just can't, and understands the pain the nice lady will go through, understanding she doesn't want to be alone. And so he does what he does, perhaps out of incredibly sick version of empathy. He had someone he cared about and cared about him but he couldn't let go of obsession.
This was absolutely the case, I’m surprised so few people saw it this way.
All that for a women who hates his guts, if the gypsy woman was like 30 years younger she would have been prime wife material.
Which is such a shame, if the gypsy woman was like 30 years younger she would have been prime wife material for Eric.
Yeah. That was my read. It's truly a shame that Eric is so obsessed with a woman that hates him because his flashback and his brief collaboration with Rick show that he has the potential to be more than just a monster.
No i think he just a literal monster that have a warp concept of humanity, its pretending.
I don’t know if I consider Eric to be completely without empathy. He just has a very warped and selfish logic. He didn’t just kill the old woman just because but because he felt it was a mercy compared to leaving her lonely and miserable. That doesn’t make it right, but it’s a bit more than Eric likes to kill.
I kind of disagree because he kills those pilots for literally no reason, and he's willing to kill basically anyone without any reason; the students at the college, for instance. He's basically 100% focused on what he wants all the time, and typically empathy requires you to be able to think about being in someone else's shoes for a hot minute. That's not something he seems even capable of doing as a character. Like I get how people see it as you're saying, but I don't think it's quite that deep to him. I'm not sure he really values life at all or truly understands the deeper parts of it, there's been many moments where despite having a very advanced vocabulary he's been shown to be rather simpleminded and focused only on hedonism / self gain; his intro with the girls on the boat, etc. I read it as him being a very specific kind of man who can't see the world or anyone's value outside of his own.
@@awhitney3063he kills the pilot so no one knows where he is I think
It's a very abelist line of thinking but one that's quite common. "I would be miserable if I had to live with that disability" somehow becomes them projecting their own hypathetical misery onto the person, convincing themselves it's a mercy to kill them. The ultimate irony being, she wasn't miserable because she was blind, she seemed so at peace with it. She was lonely because she had no family. He can't cure blindness. he could have kept her company. But my mans is so in his own head he couldn't even see that as an option. had to get back to his "bride".
My theory is that it is a very elaborate set up, Circe is trying to make the Vision come true, but in order for it to come true, the creature commandos specifically have to try to, and FAIL to assasinate the Princess. So she has a reason to be angry at the USA and attack.
Circe wasn't actually going to kill the princess herself, it was a setup and she allowed herself to get taken in, in order to set all of this in motion.
I thought that it was pretty clear that was her goal idk why Nando is so oblivious and has dumb theories
The scratches on her face felt pretty similar to something Weasel could do, so that seemed to be the direction they were heading in, but now I'm worried about Weasel :c
That makes a lot of sense
This was what I took from it… stories involving seeing into the future often leads the characters to cause said future in their efforts to stop it.
Which I buy but it's a dumb thing to do. This is going far and out of your way to fulfill a self-fulfilling prophecy. Seriously, this sounds like a plot that they could have avoided if Circe had not done anything
Circe transmitted false visions into Amanda Waller's mind. I knew from the beginning because Circe is actually the Princess in the vision. I will die on that hill because I grew up with the OG Wonder Woman and know how evil Circe is.
I agree with you I think her plan is to make pokolistan the enemy of the US and use her army to attack the us
Tho it is also possible that Circe revealing her vision to Waller actaul start the chain of events that lead to World War 3. Like a force associated with the American Government trying to assassinate the Princess can be seen as an Act of War
so are you saying she wants to replace the princess and take over?
The visions might be real but I think her job was the make sure it happens
I think the expert was killed after circe gave Amanda those visions just based on how different she acted when she was Clayfaces vs in the interrogation. Those visions were real
I think that MacPherson was killed afterwards. Mainly because MacPherson correctly pronounced Themyscira. While Clayface kept saying Thee-myscira.
Totally! Imagine for a moment, when she was talking to waller about the vision and she says "the island full of LESSSSBBBIANSSSS!" Completely out of place for the character at that moment. The first scene with her vs that classroom scene? So wildly different
Great catch
Eric Frankenstein is a great example of high intelligence, low wisdom. Knows a lot of things, but doesn’t understand why things are important or understand people
Rick flag is dead again. Time to bring in his dad a guess, Rick flag senior senior (maybe he spells his name rikk)
I don’t think he is truly dead
Can’t be right since he’s in Superman
He's definitely not dead, he's in the live action superman movie.
@@Jaysin412 yup
He's in Peacemaker season 2 and Superman, which are events that happen after Creature Commandos
James Gunn has always valued themes and builds the story around it. Whatever the plot of this show is, i am thoroughly enjoying the theme of “appearances do not make the man or woman”
I think there’s a much simpler explanation for Circe: the vision is true, but the part we (and Circe) don’t see is that it’s the Creature Commandos trying to kill the princess that causes the vision to come to pass. McPherson told Waller that clairvoyants don’t choose what moments of the future they see - I’m willing to take this as truth. So what that could mean is that this vision only comes true if the Commados try to kill the princess, since it shows Waller once again choosing to assume the worst of people leading to the worst possible outcome
Clayface playing an Xbox. Never thought I'd see that.
Not just that, he’s playing on a series x. I feel like the 360 was the only xbox that’s ever on tv stands in television
I commented this before but ,isn't it weird how the professor in this episode pronounces Themyscira as "Tim-is-kira" multiple times, while in the previous one when she's with Waller she pronounced it as "Them-is-kira".
I like this theory, and I've seen it floating around a little, but I think we're forgetting that Clayface is an actor by profession.
I think it more likely is that he was brought on specifically to convince Waller to kill the princess, and after that was basically allowed to do whatever he wants.
And that would also explain his behavior in the college, since he basically has a new lease on life, away from Gotham and Batman.
My theory is that Amanda Waller is playing the long game to get task force x re-established by pinning the the damage done to polkistan on the Creature Commandoes and season 2 will be a CC VS SS
I’m down with that
@ To me it’s way too much of a coincidence that Amanda sent the bride to the country she was born in.
Let’s not call it the SS lol
@@cartoonishidealism582 Oh shit lol
@@cartoonishidealism582gi robot is gonna put himself back together after hearing that
My theory right now is that Clayface is actually working for the princess in a plan to try to create desbelief in CIrce's vision.
Maybe she has a mole inside Waller's forces (or the Creature Commandos) who informed her aboutthe whole vision moment between Circe and Waller and, to try to discredit it, she went after killing the Dra. and putting a very obvious shapshifter like Clayface in her place to turn the table?
Congratulations!
Why does it seems to you like Clayface is dead? He’s clearly just unconscious
We’re also getting a Clayface horror movie at some point
I think Gunn's slow intriducing the Legion of Doom in DCU. Grods, Circe, Clayface....
Don’t forget about Lex Luthor in Superman
If nando is left pondering then you know it’s peak
its peak but bro just got too dumb the idea was pretty clear
@@birukmulugeta5817 enlighten us
Dude is over-thinking it. Or not thinking enough? Either way it's just clay-face working with circe
@@thezx5795 What I got from watching the show is they have their own proto Legion Of Doom and are using the conflict to make The USA an enemy of countries like pokolistan making the USA more vulnerable to attacks from the Legion and the person in the vision isn't actually the princess but Circe
I'm assuming Waller is up to something. She's always doing that 4d chess thing. Not sure if she's behind this whole thing, but she's going to use this whole thing to advance whatever her agenda happens to be. What a despicable woman.
Her agenda is to have superhero’s more accessible and popular worldwide. This could be tied into superman, where tech companies are used to control and sponsor superheros, however superman is the only one whos a problem for societies newly written rules, trying to do whatever he can to do what’s right whenever he can.
There's only 1 Nando...an that's me!!!!
imposter!
I was pretty sure by last episode that Circe was going to use the Creature Commandos to instigate that vision, whether that was intentional or not. The Clayface movie could be set in the past, which would be kinda funny, but it's awesome how much respect these characters are getting that we now have a big budget Clayface movie coming
The problem with attempting to prevent something that may happen in the future is that the act of preventing it actually ends up fulfilling the reality of the prediction. If they left the Princess alone then that future would not occur.
Pour one out for Alexei. He was a real one.
I think Circe genuinely belives the vision and is a pawn in another villains game here. I think Grodd for some reason wants the princess dead, and he implanted a false vision into her head and sent clayface to pose as the leading expert on Themyscira to back up the implanted vision. I don't know what his goal is but I think thats whats going on.
I wonder why Circe needs a Simpcel Army, like in theory she could take on armies herself, and if she needs minions she could conjure loyal beastmen.
On the creative side, I guess the Simpcels might be comentary on Gunn's own experiences
I’m leaning towards the fact they are an easy to manipulate group coupled with Gunn inserting his own social commentary
My theory is Gunn doesnt bother about Wonder Woman mythos lol so he also lacks understanding of Circe, that's why he also made her an Amazon in DCU. He just knows Circe is a sorceress and he needed a witch for CC.
Grant Morrison’s Frankenstein was such a cool strong silent badass in the comics. Like a warrior with the hart of a poet. I hope they dont change him in the comics to match James version. Like they did with starlord.
Comic star lord mostly changed because, for better or worse, Gunn actually made him a likeable character. Gunns Frankenstein, frankly, sucks, so I doubt their gonna do anything
@cornfield2120 yeah but, just to be clear Starlord was already likable in the comics (read Annihilation if you havent) he just wasn’t a goofy womanizing manchild (but With a heart of gold) like Gunn made him.
@ that’s fair, I just meant he wasn’t a “generally” liked character. It’s his characterization in the movies that made him a household name, not his minimal and often confusing role in pre-mcu comics
I do have my doubts with Eric in Creature Commandos... but while I do think his murder of the old woman was awful on the surface... something he said before the flashback ever happened really stuck out to me...
He was looking at all the cats and leashes, saying how "odd" they seem and called it an 'augery' or "bad omen", and that he knows these things because he once "stayed with an old gypsy that dabbled in the occult". And I could be overthinking this... but maybe there was more to the old woman than we see?
Also like... I don't really feel any pity for Dr. Frankenstine. He literally was hooking up with the Bride when he's married with kids and the Bride isn't even mentally mature to understand much of what he's doing. She may as well be mentally about 7 or 8 years old by the time the Doctor does... that, with her. He acted like a father to her, but never Eric, and then just has sex with her when he's already got a wife... I wonder if he did it to spite Eric or had bad intentions with both of them we don't know about yet.
Like something is really fishy here and I am beginning to wonder if there could be more about Eric they aren't showing us just yet.
While I really like your theory, I personally saw his comment about the old woman dealing with the 'occult' as more evidence of his quasi-delusional 'fantasy' outlook on life...we hear what we says, but in the flashback she was just a lonely old romani woman living in the woods. While there definitely could be more to that, I think it was likely just another case of Eric being...Eric. For example, he always talks about 'his' Bride and how she's 'playing hard to get', etc but the reality is she hates him, has always been freaked out by him, and just wants him to leave her alone. He was convinced the Bride had a thing for Flagg, but the two had barely interacted with one another. He murdered the pilots for 'judging him' for being unable to grow facial hair, when it was clearly all in his head. Over and over, the show demonstrates to us how unstable Eric is...not only does he constantly jump to wild conclusions, but he also exaggerates everything in his own mind to make them more interesting; he romantacizes things he likes, while demonizing things that annoy or displease him. I think they definitely had borderline personality disorder in mind when they wrote him. All that said, I find your observations are really interesting and you very well could be onto something...these are just my own observations on things.
I'm also totally with you on Dr. Frankenstein. While he was not behaving inconsistantly for the standards of his time, by our standards he's a total creep and a predator. I feel like at some point this is gonna come up again.
@@IronShaman81Im pretty sure cheating on you wife with a corpse that has the mind of a child, that you created with the sole purpose of being someones else girl friend, would be seen poorly in any part of history, regardless i agree with you.
@@IronShaman81 I mean that's also very true. It's why I am not 100% certain on it, but I do imagine there is at least some possibility. He does have a habit of having a rose colored view of things when it comes to his own desires, and he's extremely self centered. I just want to give him a bit more time to see where it goes at least before finally just saying "yeah he's a completely irredeemable asshole".
The thing with the cats on leashes was just so oddly highlighted by the narrative so... I think there is at least some chance of Eric being correct on that point.
I think Frankenstein is very much meant to foil the commandos, we've been seeing their backstories and how despite appearances they aren't really monsters. Frankenstein meanwhile seems to initially have a sympathetic backstory here, but then we find that his own obsession, his own sick self-obsessed world view makes him a monster through and through. He cannot be taught, he will not grow. He has wandered for centuries and nothing about him as changed, age is no excuse any more. His upbringing is no excuse, he's had good people in his life, opportunities to begin anew, but he cannot let go of his possessive nature over the Bride.
@@BeyondTrash-xe1vs honestly that may very well be what happens, I just hope they wouldn't. I find that trope just gets stale... plus it really doesn't make any sense to me. People change all the time and literally no one "never changes", even the most stubborn. Change can be for the better or worse.
In the end it's all fiction, but I just really hope they would avoid that route.
4:44 Clayface is a professional actor. He lives for the performance. And given that Amanda had never met McPherson before this (I assume), all Clayface had to do was sound convincingly professional, and that combined with Waller clearly being shaken by the vision, would have been enough to send the CC to kill the princess
I think he was more then a couple of days old at the point he kills the doctor not really sure where you got the implication he was just born
Yep. Several of his takes here are WAY off base
New dcu is peak
4:44 I'm pretty sure Aisla was telling the truth, but Amanda had her assassinated to keep the future of the world a secret
this is it
I believe clayface is a villian for hire in this universe
Clay face is definitely not dead, he has a weakness to electricity and freezing cold temperatures they're very detrimental to him but they don't kill him, his regeneration factor is crazy
A thing I’d like to add is that Circe did spare the bride and fish lady when she could’ve easily killed them in ep 2, she didnt even lay a trap for the rest of the creature commandos. The diversion was going to happen regardless, and it wasn’t until GI robot went ham that she started using lethal force.
Nando...you weren't sure if the guy who was obsessed with his entitlement to a woman's body was gonna be redeemed or not? By James Gunn?
Thank you for this brother!!! You scratching my itch for this show. Didn’t think I’d be so intrigued by this show initially. But now I’m hooked
It really seems like they're wanting us to believe the princess is innocent. I think she's hiding something big. Probably not what was in Circe's vision, but still something that will need to be dealt with.
Rick Flagg’s (Sr or Jr) brain is going to be put into Frankenstein’s body after the Bride finally takes him down.
This was we get both Flagg AND Frankenstein
I would kind of like that.
If you look the Pokolistan soldiers armor seems to be the same armor worn by Luthors soldiers in the Superman trailer so perhaps he's tied up in this.
Couldn’t Circe see a future where Clayface is the princess and he only takes over her persona because Circe kills the original princess because she sees that future? One of those self fulfilling prophecy type situations.
Theory: The vision is real but Circe is trying to have it realized by goading the Americans into declaring war on Pokolistan and pushing it into the arms of Grodd for aid.
My (convoluted) theory is that Grodd is playing Circe. He wants the princess dead for one reason or another (maybe to cause an international incident, maybe to cause a smaller political shift to his advantage) and put the vision into Circe's head with his mind powers.
When Circe got captured, he figured she'd try and warn people about the vision, and hired Clayface to replace the professor to ensure that people would believe her (Clayface is now just hanging out as the professor just in case, but isn't giving as much of a shit about keeping his cover).
My current theory is Creature Commandos is the sneak-prequel to Superman so the movie can have more punching, no one will survive, and the "second season" will be changed to a new series and was always planned to be.
I do feel like it's gonna be hard to continue with these guys at this point, I like Dr. Phosphorus but I'm struggling to root for the psycho now.
They could just bring in an new squad of characters but at that point I'd want them to just make it the Suicide Squad again.
Doc Phosphorus seems to be pretty damn hard to kill, so I doubt he won’t make it out alive, same with Weasel because that would be hilarious. I think Frankie or Bride will die, one or the other, and I hope Nina doesn’t die lol
The moral of the story really is "if you want a DC spinoff all you have to do is kill Rick Flag"
I’m of the opinion that everything Circe is doing is to make sure that vision comes to pass. She wants Rostovic to turn against and destroy the US, along with Wonder Woman and other US-based superheroes, so that she is free to conquer Paradise Island as she wants to. I think Clayface was someone she hired to sell her manipulated vision to Waller, and I think Grodd may already be in Pokolistan taking advantage of the Princess’s desire for rapid progress to advancer her country, and helping them upgrade their military capabilities (those purple blasters the amethyst knights use) to make Pokolistan powerful enough to destroy the US.
Flag will be alright too, he’s not dead as he’s in Superman and Peacemaker. Frank will probably be sent to find the Creature Commandos. And The Bride will probably gain respect for Frank although they won’t be together I don’t think at least not yet.
I am enjoying this show alot!
I'm pretty sure in the comics Rick Flagg has come back as a clone. The original Rick Flagg was written so long ago that it needed to be explained how he was still alive and active. I think the comics explained it by saying that the younger version of Flagg was actually a clone of the original and wasn't "Junior" at all.
So.... my hope for Joel Kinnaman lives!
I assume that the real MacPherson was the one in the prison, since Clayface is barely disguising his personality when we see him disguised as her in the next episode.
Or maybe Grodd si going to control the princess and Circe saw the real future but mistaken the princess for the main villain insted of Grodd. And Clayface is just working with Circe for money as a plan B.
Maybe Circe, Grodd, and Clayface are signs of a legion of doom are at work. The monster's thing seems like he's just emotionally immature, selfish and overly dramatic. He said he didn't intend to leave the old lady alone but also wanted to find his bride so is logic just came down to killing her was an act of mercy
5:00 yes. That’s what I was thinking. He got the professor after.
I would say he is amoral.
There is no right or wrong there is just him and his needs and emotions.
I think psycho pirate is manipulating Cersei so those premonitions are real from her mindset and it would explain why the princess is going to flip on the world and be evil. Psycho pirate can manipulate how people feel or perceive things and act out. So a team of monsters who know and accept themselves will be able to see through the manipulation
Good has mind control powers. He's controlling the princess. The army are Frankenstein like creatures because grod has Victor's notes.
Is no one gonna talk about how weird it is victor slept with the bride when she was like a month old and literally his creation? Like Eric obviously has flaws and is clearly possessive but I don’t think it’s as black and white as it seems
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I think the show is set in a bubble DCEU where events of Shazam, Peace Maker 1 and the other movies are still canon but by the end of the show there would be a cross over and that’s what Circe is foretelling.
Except that there is no reason to think that
But we see Superman in his DCU suit in the show
I like to see Frankenstein’s character develop through his backstory I like that there’s something just fundamentally not there in him that’s in other people he’s interesting because he is a result of one man’s hubris a man that shouldn’t exist
I kinda hate Frankenstein
Circe threw that princess into a wall and she took minimal damage and didn’t break. Yeah she is a Meta human.
International conflict. That's what I'm holding at
I was thinking last episode when the professor said “she can’t imagine the future”, that like… yes. We all can. Wtf are you talking about.
I loved the phonecall scene. I busted a gut when he did that bit with Flagg.
TELL HER ABOUT ME
That old woman was alive in the present day, we see her before we see Frankenstein. I think Frankenstein figured out the experiment that brought him to life and did that to Flagg.
That's a different old lady she was not blind lol
Imagine being a reanimated corpse... a construct of a being... then given promise of someone like him. A singular one being that is like him, made as his supposed companion
Learning a lesson on letting go of THAT aint gonna take some rando dandos he met yesterday telling him stuff...
His entire fabric of reality is built on a lie... Realizing that one's entire existence is built on a lie is something actual not-reanimated-corpse humans have trouble learning in entire lifetimes...
Expecting him to unlearn a horrible existential habit on a whim because of some rando dandos... is so extremely unreasonable
I dont know maybe she's (the princess) circe's daughter and saw her a threat as she may potentially have or can counter her powers? Similar to greek gods and how petty they are lol.
he will be on the team the thing is, this team is of monsters characters with layers but mostly bad people
Finished this one and was like hm wonder what Nando has to say
I saw this episode, even with Clayface, and thought exactly who was behind taking that professor out. I thought back to the second Suicide Squad movie. Waller seems like she may be behind it. I almost feel like Flagg may fake his death to bring Frankenstein into the Commandos. I'm more interested in what's behind the vision of the princess and who is actually responsible for sending Clayface to replace the professor and for what reason.
He killed that lady out of compassion and love, so that she is never left alone
Gunn makes an unusual decision.
1. Eric believed the old lady because the entire reason Eric was here was because the old lady told him he had found the bride.
2. Why Did Gunn kill Rick Flag? Despite his upcoming role in the new Superman film.
3. "So you are telling me Clayface killed a Gotham professor lived in her home, drank beer, played Mortal Kombat, and fed her cat. All the while, impersonate the professor for who knows how long and continue to work at her job, reassuring her parents that she is still alive, all the while the government has not kept tabs on this dangerous individual, and clay face bumbling in a government run prison making shit that could result in WW3.
4. G.I robot died in his third episode and there is no word on where he is?
5. Strange color mixing
I don't know about Flagg being dead, I think he is just unconcious, like Bruce in TDK Rises.
@ ok what about clay face why did he do all the thinks he did?
Clayface is usually an expert actor and impersonator. I'm gonna assume he isn't doing this randomly and has guides and resources to keep the facade
Also, GIBot is just gone, I don't think there's anything more to say about that
@ so clay face killed her because of vibes? Also why didn't the government not reprogram G.I for other purposes?
@@LouiseBelcher69 I said "I'm gonna assume he isn't doing this randomly".
How do you arrive from that to "he did it for vibes"? No, he probably didn't, it's obviously part of some plan, one that accounts for minecrafting the doctor, it may even necessitate it, we don't know yet
About the government reprogramming GIBot, they already took what they needed from him. I suppose you know it because you're in this channel but the government made the Metal Men based on GIBot, far more advanced and powerful than him. At this point GIBot is but an old toaster technology-wise
I think Frankenstein is a little empathetic… like his murder of the old woman had a bit of mercy. Offing her is better than leaving her alone with the pain and heartbreak. Kinda. He still did the worst thing.
They are making a clayface origin story i believe cersi can see multiple versions of the future and knows how to manipulate to arrive where she wants
No need to overthink it, especially in a show as silly as this. With clayface's intervention it's very clear that the vision Circe employed is either very curated snippets of the future that is missing vital context to it's creation, or just a blatant fabrication.
I’m curious about how Grodd works out here, like is he going to be the Thanos of the DCU or is he just a villain for the Waller side of the universe?
If so, what is his vibe?
this is really the first time where I just hate a character, like not in a "oh man, this is a bad dude", but more in a "this character is wack"
So I'm not sure but maybe Creature Commandos takes place after Peacemaker season 2 and Superman. Personally I hope that's not the case because I don't want the character to die but it's a possibility right?
Nando I just got dizzy listening to you explain the clayface/professor swap. It’s probably Circe just pulling the strings.
Preface to this claim: I have not watched any of Creature Commandos, I don't have Max, I have only consumed the show through this series and like, 2 other videos, but my immediate hare-brained theory is that whoever is behind this, the goal is to cause one of two things to happen:
1. The Creature Commandos are supposed to attack the Princess, motivating her to enact the vision that Circe has revealed.
or
2. The Creature Commandos are meant to foil a separate attack, probably made by the United States, against the Princess, in order to prevent the attack.
Because it is impossible that they didn't kill Rick Flagg Sr here in order to have someone impersonate him later as part of a FALSE FLAG operation.
You can put out a phosphorus fire with anhydrous copper sulphite powder I think.
Pokolistan doesnt seem very advanced, which makes their fancy knight armor a mystery. Did they get that tech from someone who is orchestrating events to showcase it on an international level? Is this an elaborate arms demonstration?
I feel like Frankenstein is going to be redeemed. I can see in another episode we get a flashback where the "nice" old lady turns out to have been a evil gypsy. Maybe she kidnapped a few kids or something really evil. And Eric kills her before leaving because she was low key evil. That just feels like a Gunn twist. Then we all will be like ohhh he killed the old lady for a reason😂
Same tho! Like something about the whole scenario feels off because Eric mentions he "once stayed with an old gypsy who dabbled in the occult" when talking about the cats on leashes seeming like a bad omen. It's such a specific thing to notice or add to a script, and it feels like a clue to something deeper going on. I am not giving up on Eric yet at least lol.
@anklebiter2323 exactly lol. He says she dabbled in the occult, but the flashbacks make her seem nice. Maybe he saw her doing dark shit. Eric can't be that bad 🤣🤣
The wife and I refer to Franenstein as: FrankIncel.
You have a point he should have hundred of years of experience he would be a better character or have better character.
Whatever happens will be resolved before Superman.
I thought this has been build up for the Themyscira show. They seem to be really interested in Amazon stuff, it’s kinda driving the whole plot.
I wonder how this will connect with the Clayface movie?
It sounds like the clayface movie is an origin story based off of reports. I’m interested to see how much of clayface we actually see, since it’s only got a 40 million dollar budget.
Waller used ClayFace (who could’ve been locked up) to tie up lose ends and kill her because she knew too much?
Why are you so insistent that Grodd and Circe are on the same team? Grodd was the princess's general in that vision. Circe is actively trying to kill the princess to prevent that vision from becoming true. Circe and Grodd are not working together, they are literally on opposite teams in this scenario. Grodd is team princess, Circe is against the princess which by association means she is against Grodd
Its a bit basic if circe just wants to kill the princess
Can anyone explain how the old woman is killed by frank in this episode but she’s the one who calls him up in episode 1?
It's so weird how Dr. Phosphorus looks identical to Blight from Batman Beyond.
Blight was probably modeles after the dr. This is assuming the dr was in the comics from a long time ago
Circe needs to get waller to do it to complicate international relations. The princess is obviously scratched by weasel and survives and launches a war in retaliation. Circe maybe had a prophecy that doomsday or something would come with all the superheroes so she orchestrated a war on superheroes. Also it seems like in the superman trailer they were shooting at superman. Maybe waller goes too far and starts a war on superheroes.
I had that same reaction
This really should’ve been a movie instead of a show. It’s 5 episodes deep and has zero pull.
I’m curious about how Grodd works out here, like is he going to be the Thanos of the DCU or is he just a villain for the Walker side of the universe?
I don't think Grodd is Thanos level. Maybe it could be Brainiac or Darkseid
@ that’s true, maybe the Legion of Doom is what we’re looking at here?
I dunno man, I'm only really tuned into this stuff because I'm a comic fan, but this seems to be James Gunn just telling his own stories with DC Characters, not doing any homages or treatments of previously beloved stories. The appearance of Frankenstein keeps making me think I'm getting some Grant Morrison Seven Soldiers action, but that's clearly not the case, and it kinda disappoints me. This is too much Gunn, not enough DC.
Isn't the old lady the same old lady who notified Eric of the Bride's presence at Frankenstein's manor.
Legion of Doom baby 🤘🤘
I'm really unsure about what's going on too. I have a feeling cerce's vision was real but the professor woman is where I'm confused. It would make sense that clayface was sent in by whomever to impersonate her with the goal of convincing waller of the vision, but they made a point to show how incompotant he is at faking expertise like in the classroom. She seemed like a completely different person. So why then would he have killed and replaced her after the fact? To steer waller away from killing the princess? to do the opposite? is grod in charge of this? idkk
How so? the blood on the floor was fresh & sticky with the body still left on the chair. Waller knew flag was doing it with the Princess & refused to kill her, and did nothing to stop him leaving to ... warn the princess. So if she was doing her job the CC would have killed the Princess, and we know Waller is not a villain just a dick.
Circe was only hiding the reason for attacking the Bride. And it's like to do with the purple gem she has, and likewise the Princess.
The laugh in the vision sounds like Granny Goodness who is a brilliant military commander & can make advanced weapons.
Also, anyone else thought phosphorus was was initially blight?
Does anyone know if this clayface is the same as others in the new dceu? I know there were multiple in the comics