another thing about the style, their actual reasoning for it was that they wanted it to feel like how the turtles would draw themselves. That's why it looks so amateurish and messy because it's also supposed to represent the messiness of teenager's notebook or sketchbook
That's only possible with the addition of a texture layer though as 3d animation only comes in two flavours. Something you can tolerate seeing and something that wants you to claw your eyes out. As I see it the real thing that came from Spiderverse was that 3d animators were reminded that it was 3d ANIMATION and that you can use style to tell a lot that you could never get away with in the Pixar style 3d animation. What's great is that so far each studio has given it its own spin and made the visual style a companion to the story they were telling instead of just a quick paste job of "others do it, it's profitable, so let's do it as well," that has been prevalent in the animation medium since the original Toy Story. Spiderverse had the comic book style, "The Last Wish" had the watercolour, fairy tale style, and Mutant Mayhem has that messy edge to it that you'd expect from someone who's yet to learn how to draw well. And I love it! I find it far more interesting to look at that than the cut-and-paste photorealistic style since that does nothing to move the story and frankly, I can look out the window and see a better resolution. I come to animation for spectacle, to enjoy the look of the unreal, and visual exaggerations presented in a way that supports the narrative. That's what animation can do.
@@nielsjensen4185 One reason I think the teams have been so keen on giving the style its own spin and going all out with it is because the style is so intensive and work inducing that you literally can’t do that, or else it’ll visibly look like garbage. So I feel once they decide to animate like this they’re all in or all out.
@@PokeMadness1996oh you’re talking about Mutant Mayhem? Yeah its more like Claymation, but there is the sharp spiderverse comic books lines on the human faces, the shiny painted look of the last wish on their weapons, the white slashing effects when the weapons are swung, the frame rate changes, it’s all there, really.
I genuinely believe we’re in a new animation renaissance with Spider-Verse’s influence on the industry! I think of it like what the original Toy Story did for 3D focused animation
@@PokeMadness1996 Yeah, and that's the result of Spider-Verse's influence. OP's not saying it literally looks like Spider-Verse, but that in the wake of Spider-Verse we're starting to see animated movies embrace more varied art/animation styles.
Had the same thought when watching the new puss in boots. You could see the influence spiderverse had on this movie and its animation and now the tmnt movie too. Im confident that we will have a lot of great animation movies to look forward to in the near future
Something else i love is the lighting of the film. A lot of scenes take place at night which TMNT has done before but this one looks to hit different with the animation techniques there using in the dark.
As soon as I saw John Cena and Ice Cube in the casting list at the end of the trailer, I immediately went "oh they're Beepbop and Rock steady huh?" Just purely because of their deeper older voices.
I'm so happy that the trailer gave the ROTTMNT fans one word of RISE screentime tbh. Btw, the Rise of the TMNT movie is LIT! Man the animation team for that show and Lego Monkie Kid need better distributors.
I thought Rise of the TMNT handled the teenage angle of the TMNT franchise very well. My favorite examples of this are when they go to Comic Con and meet their idol, or the episode where they're tryna fight and watch a skateboarding contest and can't do it.
Oh for sure, hell, id even say it’s the first time in a while I’ve watched a show where the teenagers are written to ACT like teenagers, AND doesn’t have that same putrid stink of ‘clearly written by a senile divorced white guy’. It’s like- super refreshing to have a show where the teenagers aren’t written like adults, but also don’t get tossed around by writers who can’t write a believable young person.
@@no.1spidey-fan182 i saw the first episode and wasnt interested in the lack of talking. ntm i dont like the designs taking too much inspiration from michael bay's films.
@@artistick4820 was thinking the same thing, but it seems like they only take inspiration in the framerate and stylization as a technique for more appealing animation, and is not about the methods, its about how you use those methods to make something of your own, let's hope they keep it that way edit: sorry for my horrible spelling lol, corrected, i think
@@artistick4820 nahh Spiderverse, Arcane, Puss in Boots 2 and TMNT clearly has very distinct art style. And even if eventually what you're saying might come true, I'd prefer showy art styles than just 3D animation being ultra realistic and devoid of creativity.
It's funny how Spider-Verse is always credited as starting the revolution (which is fair, it was the movie that heavily popularized it) but imo, it was really the Peanuts movie and Captain Underpants: The First Epic Movie that STARTED this whole thing
The art style is like something a indie comic book artist would make while spider verse is clean nice and pristine while mutant mayhem is grungy, dirty but it's on purpose it's kinda awesome
Been deep in this Turtles fandom for YEARS. Since I was in Pulls Ups n' jazz. I swear, I had a gut feeling this was gonna be the one to get people talking about this franchise on a larger scale despite the brand continuing to push so much quality during these past few quiet years in the larger eye of the public. I can't count how many times I said this was gonna happen (even on the internet multiple times) and it's neat seeing it grow so quickly after just one trailer. Can't wait to see what this take on the franchise grows into over the years! And I'm basic- favorite topping is pepperoni.
@@SayviRock I've seen it and hate how overlooked it got by the larger community. Didn't end up being my favorite, BUT GOODNESS IT DESERVED SO MUCH MORE.
Honestly, I adore the effect of Spiderverse, because it's not just one to one copying the style. While Puss and Boots, the Bad Guys, and now Mutant Mayhem are clearly taking inspiration from Spiderverse, they're all so clearly going for something different and unique. The thing they're taking from is the blend of 2D and 3D to add unique style, not Spiderverse's specific style, and I adore that.
You successfully put into words my exact thoughts on the style of this film. Very few people I see on TH-cam seem to be literate in the intricacies, importance and purpose of visual style and consistency, and how that should tie in with the cohesive “ooze” that forms the artistic product’s identity from a purely narrative standpoint - but you do really seem to care. As an Animation student in Uni, watching this felt really vindicating, thank you
This TMNT project looks like the people behind it have a genuine care for the franchise. The art style looks very gritty and dirtied up, but I think it's for a much deeper reason than just a stylist choice. I took it as an indication of how long the turtles have been training and fighting as ninjas, as brothers. And you already pointed this out, but I LOVE how the main cast aren't A- list celebrities because this gives us a fresh take on a classic franchise like Ninja Turtles. As someone who has grown up with these turtles, I can say that this movie's going to be one of the best TMNT movies we've gotten so far. Also, pineapple and pepperoni are top tier toppings.
Surprised people forgot Mitchells Vs The Machines in the conversation about this style of animation, especially since Jeff Rowe (Co-Director of that film) is directing TMNT Mutant Mayhem.
I grew up with TMNT, starting with the 1990 Jim Henson movie and I've been a fan ever since! This movie pulled me back in and reminded me why I still love them! Can't wait to watch this movie with the family, TURTLE POWER! 💚💚💚 EDIT: Favorite pizza toppings are, in no particular order: Ham and Pineapple Pepperoni Olives Peppers Onions Mushrooms Red Pepper Flakes Spinach
Dude, i could care less about the TMNT franchise, but as an animation student i cannot wait to watch this later this year! I absolutely love the vibe and the style the trailer put out
i think it’s really cool that we’re getting new animation styles, but i hope they’re not all so close to looking like ITSV. i hope they decide to push it even further and give us new art styles in animation
never been a tmnt person but this movie's really caught my eye. i'm really loving the feel of this movie, its so textured its almost like i could reach out and touch it. favorite pizza toppings: honestly a plain cheese person, followed by pepperoni (the little ones that curl up and get crisp on the edges), and artichoke.
While Spider-Verse for sure heavily influenced the animation industry, we shouldn't forget the contributions of The 2015 peanuts movie and the captain underpants movie which both did the sort of 'adapting visual elements of 2d into 3d; .. thing. A few years before spider-verse.
Honestly, I really hope Mutant Mayhem is a good movie. Nowadays, I try to remain cautiously optimistic about new projects coming out, and not expecting too much to avoid getting burned by disappointment. This rings especially true for me with animated things. Plus, the Great HBO Max Purge of 2022 has made me super paranoid about animated projects, since many of the Purge's unfortunate victims were animated projects (thanks a lot for that, Zaslav... 😒). So, I'm really hoping Mutant Mayhem will end up being another home run. Also, I'm kind of a basic bitch. You give me pepperoni pizza and I'll scarf that down like a wolf.
I really like the direction that animation is going in right now, cuz you're right, for a long time, animation was dominated by a single style and pushing for realism rather than letting the style tell a story along with the story itself. And none of disney's animation has been bad, really, that realism is still super pretty and it IS impressive that they're able to do that and come up with all this new technology for it, but when all your movies look the same, it unintentionally makes them all *feel* the same, in a sense, which isn't really what you want? I definitely believe Spiderverse was a complete turning point for animation, and I love how companies have started to take notice of the praise for that movie and it's animation and style and the love put into it and have started to bring that into their own movies. And at first, I was afraid that companies would do the same thing they've been doing for years but just with the spiderverse style and just have every movie replicate the spiderverse style and make things feel stale again, but while a lot of this newer animation is similar and definitely takes inspiration from spiderverse, I love that each style feels like it fits the movie it's in, and has started to combine the 2D and 3D to tell Like spiderverse tries to replicate the style and feel of comics because the story is from comics, arcane to me feels like it's replicating video-game cutscenes (or at least how a video game cut scene can feel when the better graphics of a cut scene can pull you into the story and action a lot more) and it mixes 2D and 3D to show the power and impact of certain things like in the fight scenes or jinx's mental state, puss in boots replicates the style of the illustrations on old storybooks with a somewhat watercolor vibe, the bad guys uses the 2D elements to make it feel more like these are corny heist-pulling bad guys straight out of a cartoon, etc. And mutant mayhem is no different, it feels like the drawings of a dorky teenager mixed with like a grungy spraypaint feel and uses that 2D to emphasize that (like if you pause on a smear frame, the 3D model is practically untouched, but it uses little scribbles on top of it to give the motion effect, or there's little lines around light sources like you would draw on a cartoon sun, or there's sketchy lines around certain things to emphasize them (like when donnie gets stabbed, there's a couple lines on the edges of the sai to subtly direct your attention to it)). Like idk, yeah spiderverse is definitely an inspiration for all of these with how it made the entire movie feel like the story literally broke out of the pages of a comic book straight onto the screen, but it definitely feels like these movies aren't trying to replicate that style exactly, just take inspiration from how it's done and how to actually put love and creativity into the animation to further the story and pull you into it thanks for coming to my ted talk (sorry for rambling I'm autistic and an animation nerd XD)
It's insane that Spider-Verse forced animation to evolve into something different, so it's not just the same Pixar realism attempt, and it's all done by the fine folks at Sony Pictures Imageworks.
I wish people would stop saying "oh, all tmnt movies are trash, this has gotta be the best one yet". Which.. I agree with: "the best one yet" part, but what about Rise? The Rise of The TMNT movie was amazing too, visually and story-wise. I think we shouldn't forget about it or the series, and at least give it the recognition it deserves.
Whoa, missed that Giancarlo Esposito was voicing Baxter Stockman. Even his voice for the Phantom Blot in Ducktales was intimidating. He can really bring that edge to the character that he's been missing for literal decades. The best attempt IMO was the 2003 version and even then he was still kinda comedic.
*Weirdest comment I’ve seen in a while* was someone suggesting “Zack Snyder” direct an R Rated TMNT.. like - - I think Snyder Fans are just embarrassed to say they love something and wanna make it dark and edgy to justify them still liking it cos it’s “for adults”
A dark TMNT would be more along the lines of idw or mirage. Honestly, I don't think you can go full R with any of those arcs, plus not everything has to be gory, graphic, or crass in order for it to be mature.
2,5d animation is underrated. I feel it's overlooked how games have been part of creating that artstyle like with Guilty Gear, Dragon Ball FighterZ. Where they stretch models to be more cinematic.
I'm honestly just happy that they sound like teenagers. It's usually a bunch or 30 year old men trying to sound young. Also Splinter with an afro is awesome.
I remember watching the trailer for Mutant Mayhem and mistaking it for stop-motion, because of like how the details on the characters and the deliberate short frame-rate made it as if though they were clay figurines. It was actually interesting for me.
Man, we're finally having animation look like Animation for freaking ONCE. And I'm just proud to say this. *But it's all thanks to The Spider-Man* Honestly, if it was done by either The Batman, sucka, the difference wouldn't be changed, and you'd just love to see that.
How dare you disregard Rise of the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: the movie, one of the tastiest pieces of animation ever made. also i love me some pineaple pizza, but we've got a jojo's place nearby that serves mediterranean pizza and it slaps hard
Wow, you went a full eight minutes of talking about Mutant Mayhem without once talking about April's design and how everyone's pitching a fit about her being a black woman again. Good for you. Also, I feel like they're trying to do what the 2007 movie did and have everyone except the Turtles and possibly a few other characters voiced by celebrity actors.
What I like about the TMNT as a concept and what I think reflects in the animation style of this new movie is, it feels like an idea a couple of college guys came up with while stoned out of their minds then just sketched out messily
im not gonna lie, it's really exciting to see new tmnt movies made with this much love and care!! first the rise of the tmnt movie and now mutant mayhem, i seriously cant wait to watch it
I love what Spider-Verse did, and how it broke the mold…nay…OBLITERATED AND REBUILT AND REARRANGED THE MOLD! However…I don’t think Spider-Verse is the only one we should thank! And I don’t just mean various animation shorts. Before Spider-Verse, there was another animated movie…equally as visually stunning and just as experimental as all these new films! The Peanuts Movie!!! Yup! From the late Blue Sky studios! The Peanuts Movie, which came out, I think around 2015! That film was animated in such a way that it literally felt like a classic episode of Peanuts, or even a classic comic strip! It also used a hybrid 2D, 3D, low frame rate style!!! Also, films like the LEGO Movie, and even older live action films, like Speed Racer, and Scott Pilgrim!!! I feel that the groundwork has been laid for new creators to push the envelope, and even showed, if only for a few years, what the medium of animation, live action, and film in general can do if the right minds are given the tools and resources!!! While, I personally think that the start of this new animation revolution (specifically animation) began with the Peanuts Movie, Spider-Verse showed just how insane this new experimental style can be! Though again, LEGO movie also helped in practically recreating the exact style of LEGO Stop motion, when only a handful of things were actually Stop Motion, but nonetheless, the hyper stylized CGI is still impressive!!!
Some shots almost give a quasi-claymation vibe if that makes any sense 😅 and I’m here for it! And I’m personally a fan of the pepperoni & black olive combo (maybe a lil mushroom action)
I love the movie from what we've seen so far, when I first saw the trailer I was like, "Oh, another movie trailer, can't wait to see if I'm really going to enjoy this or not." but instead of skipping after 10 seconds I watched it all the way through and I really want to see it! TMNT was something I grew up with, albeit the one on Nickelodeon in the 2010's, so I'm excited to see how this comes out. Also, favorite topping is bacon.
I saw someone imply spiderverse had copyright over experimental 3d animation animated on 2s and i wanted to rip my hair out 😭😭 i am very glad spiderverse opened up the minds of the people in charge at big studios, seeing how much praise and awards it got, and now theyre allowing their artists to experiment!!! Im so glad 3d animation is shifting away from realism anf more into the territory of 2d animation
I am so gonna watch it. Rise tmnt brought me back to the franchise and I'm glad to see them get a new movie. Love the gritty style. Wonderful voice acting and hope it will be as action loaded, funny and chaotic as it sounds to be. Oh and I am a hawaiian pizza fan here. 🍕😊
I love how neither Krang nor Shredder is in this movie. (Well, it will have a utrom character). If I were to make a TMNT film series, I'd have Stockman as the villain as the first film, then Krang in the sequel and Shredder as the big finale.
People arent saying this looks exactly like spiderverse, the idea is that if not for spiderverse this style wouldnt be being used and would just look like something illumination would animate
I've honestly never cared about the turtles outside of "hey, they're a parody of my favourite superhero!" but holy hell I LOVE the new movie's animation style. really hyped for it, almost more than I am for spiderverse 2... favourite pizza topping is broccoli
4:05 lmao ur kidding right out of all the tmnt iterations whether most beloved or most hated literally noone talks about the 2000s series for nostalgia they think of the og for the modern era they think of the 2012 series the 2003 show is the forgotten middle child of tmnt i mean it has a small cult following but in terms of mainstream media noone really talks about it also ur right about every iteration having its own style that includes the bay movies too also some of those 4 turtle actors have been on nickelodeon for sometimes so they are only unknowns to people who dont watch nickelodeon
I never read or watched the Ninja Turtles before, aside from the first movie, but the way you described them as having an inherently grimy, gross premise while still being full of love and heart, it made me want to see a TMNT cartoon made by Klasky Csupo. But, like, early seasons Rugrats/Duckman/Aaahh!!! Real Monsters era Klasky Csupo
I am actuslly writing a paper rn about the effect Spider-Verse had on animation and how it is a revolutionary step. So seeing this movie come out and Puss n boots2 doing well have just been a joy
I’m so happy that spiderverse exists so we can get more animated comic book films with. With the mcu being as big as it was and being so influential in media it’s spiderverse was really needed to diversify the super hero genre, and it’s cool to see so many studios following suit. Hell we’re getting a spiderverse inspired Batman beyond movie.
Never really got into a TMNT just bc it never caught my interest and I always associated it with my younger cousin and so kids media, but recently I’ve been woken to this franchise in a new light and I want this to be my introduction to the franchise bc the style blew me away.
I can’t wait for Baxter Stockman to eat pizza with the Turtles that he barfs up because he poisoned it. Or what if he runs a pizza chain as a front for his plans?
Great video but in something you point and some misconceptions.....like LOW BAR when it comes to movies of the TMNT......this franchise only have truly 3 bad films (TMNT III, and the 2 of Michael Bay reboots), and when it comes to ANIMATION, the franchise have not a single bad film....from Turtles Forever, TMNT vs Batman, the first CGI film TMNT 2007, recently the BRILLIANT Rise of the TMNT Movie, the animated films of the Ninja Turtles flipping ROCKS, and this is why I'm super excited about Mutant Mayhem, plus Seth Rogen company have produce 2 of my modern favorites comic adaptations in Invincible and the Boys. And About the Spiderverse style (I keep comment this....WE NEED A NAME PEOPLE FOR THIS STYLE someone give it a name can't be just SPIDERVERSE STYLE)....this style have been use to perfection in every project I have see it and all have a very different FEEL and Look, despite all blend 3D with 2D, and have lower frames, go watch every project have this style.....start from the begging that is NOT Spiderverse, the first thing I have seen using that style was that Disney Short Paperman (yeah ironically was DISNEY the first place this start got a recognition, I'm sure someone else did before but this is the more mainstream first appearance), that short emulate the classic Disney 2D animation without been fully 2D, been done in CG for the most part, but it have that classical Disney look........Spiderverse use it to recreate a COMIC STYLE, from panels compositions that emulate a comic page, to Onomatopoeias appear when ever a big sound effect happen, to blending half tones to create texture, the idea was making a Comic in the same vane as classic Jack Kirby / Stan Lee era......The Mitchells vs the Machines the next big film using this style do it to emulate this concept art that we see in initial pitches for any kind of project, that feel more experimental than final....The Badguys emulated classic cartoons, that feel more in tune with the vibes of that film....Arcane League of Legends (yes not only FILMS are using this style) used to emulate the ARTWORKS you can find the same illustrations that promote games like League of Legends use, so every frame feel like a painting for art books, Puss in Boots try to emulated the illustrations of Children Books like the fantasy stories of fairy tales, and now TMNT Mutant Mayhem, is emulating that grunge art style that inspired comics like the original TMNT, been more messy and kinda ugly but artistic ugly....I effing love it. This is why I think we need to come for a BETTER name than just call it the SPIDERVERSE STYLE.....this have been use even in videogames like Guilty Gear, Street Fighter, and others use it, is a very versatile style and it deserved a better name.
My favorite pizza topping is pineapple. There are dozens of us.
I'm with you, man! Hawaiian Pizza is one of my favorites!
I like olives.
YEAH I SAID IT.
Also extra cheese is nice.
Damn, hope you get better soon
#MargheritaSweep
Pineapple isn’t even that bad it’s my favorite but I feel there are worse things that have been on a pizza
another thing about the style, their actual reasoning for it was that they wanted it to feel like how the turtles would draw themselves. That's why it looks so amateurish and messy because it's also supposed to represent the messiness of teenager's notebook or sketchbook
Oooh I really like that, I didn’t know they said that that’s sick
Relatable lol
Sht trash
That's only possible with the addition of a texture layer though as 3d animation only comes in two flavours. Something you can tolerate seeing and something that wants you to claw your eyes out.
As I see it the real thing that came from Spiderverse was that 3d animators were reminded that it was 3d ANIMATION and that you can use style to tell a lot that you could never get away with in the Pixar style 3d animation.
What's great is that so far each studio has given it its own spin and made the visual style a companion to the story they were telling instead of just a quick paste job of "others do it, it's profitable, so let's do it as well," that has been prevalent in the animation medium since the original Toy Story. Spiderverse had the comic book style, "The Last Wish" had the watercolour, fairy tale style, and Mutant Mayhem has that messy edge to it that you'd expect from someone who's yet to learn how to draw well.
And I love it! I find it far more interesting to look at that than the cut-and-paste photorealistic style since that does nothing to move the story and frankly, I can look out the window and see a better resolution. I come to animation for spectacle, to enjoy the look of the unreal, and visual exaggerations presented in a way that supports the narrative. That's what animation can do.
@@nielsjensen4185 One reason I think the teams have been so keen on giving the style its own spin and going all out with it is because the style is so intensive and work inducing that you literally can’t do that, or else it’ll visibly look like garbage. So I feel once they decide to animate like this they’re all in or all out.
The Post Spider-Verse era will go down in history as the renaissance for unique and stylized animation in western studios and I could not be happier.
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im sorry i just dont see the spiderverse influence maybe its just me but this movie looks more influenced by claymation if anything
@@PokeMadness1996oh you’re talking about Mutant Mayhem?
Yeah its more like Claymation, but there is the sharp spiderverse comic books lines on the human faces, the shiny painted look of the last wish on their weapons, the white slashing effects when the weapons are swung, the frame rate changes, it’s all there, really.
I genuinely believe we’re in a new animation renaissance with Spider-Verse’s influence on the industry! I think of it like what the original Toy Story did for 3D focused animation
What Toy Story did 4 3D CGI, Spider-Verse and the Peanuts Movie, did for 2.5 D
im sorry i just dont see the spiderverse influence maybe its just me but this movie looks more influenced by claymation if anything
@@PokeMadness1996 Yeah, and that's the result of Spider-Verse's influence. OP's not saying it literally looks like Spider-Verse, but that in the wake of Spider-Verse we're starting to see animated movies embrace more varied art/animation styles.
Had the same thought when watching the new puss in boots. You could see the influence spiderverse had on this movie and its animation and now the tmnt movie too. Im confident that we will have a lot of great animation movies to look forward to in the near future
Something else i love is the lighting of the film. A lot of scenes take place at night which TMNT has done before but this one looks to hit different with the animation techniques there using in the dark.
I will defend John Cena being in this because he has been in tmnt before as a voice actor and he knows how to do it.
John Cena is goated
As soon as I saw John Cena and Ice Cube in the casting list at the end of the trailer, I immediately went "oh they're Beepbop and Rock steady huh?" Just purely because of their deeper older voices.
He was so good as Baron Draxum, I have no complaints
@@OdaKaAND was a goat!
I’m glad that they got actual teenagers to voice teenagers and that the artstyle looks exactly how Kevin Eastman draws the turtles
I'm so happy that the trailer gave the ROTTMNT fans one word of RISE screentime tbh. Btw, the Rise of the TMNT movie is LIT! Man the animation team for that show and Lego Monkie Kid need better distributors.
Dude I LOVE the sketchbook esthetic they’re going with for this movie
yeah that ninja star in the watermelon was LITERALLY squiggles
I thought Rise of the TMNT handled the teenage angle of the TMNT franchise very well. My favorite examples of this are when they go to Comic Con and meet their idol, or the episode where they're tryna fight and watch a skateboarding contest and can't do it.
Oh for sure, hell, id even say it’s the first time in a while I’ve watched a show where the teenagers are written to ACT like teenagers, AND doesn’t have that same putrid stink of ‘clearly written by a senile divorced white guy’. It’s like- super refreshing to have a show where the teenagers aren’t written like adults, but also don’t get tossed around by writers who can’t write a believable young person.
Facts. Rise NEEDS more love. Hope it gets that second movie and eventually even a series renewal
@@no.1spidey-fan182 i saw the first episode and wasnt interested in the lack of talking. ntm i dont like the designs taking too much inspiration from michael bay's films.
Fr rise is my favorite version of the tmnt and it’s still so slept on 😭😭
rise is the best tmnt adaption, anyone who disagrees is hung up on nostalgia
God Bless Spider-Verse for being so influencial 😭💯
My only problem is: everyone gonna start copying them and then: Boom, no one’s original and everyone has the same god damn art style
@@artistick4820 was thinking the same thing, but it seems like they only take inspiration in the framerate and stylization as a technique for more appealing animation, and is not about the methods, its about how you use those methods to make something of your own, let's hope they keep it that way
edit: sorry for my horrible spelling lol, corrected, i think
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@@artistick4820 nahh Spiderverse, Arcane, Puss in Boots 2 and TMNT clearly has very distinct art style. And even if eventually what you're saying might come true, I'd prefer showy art styles than just 3D animation being ultra realistic and devoid of creativity.
@@istar_kj fair enough
Visual quality is reaching a point now where purposely lowering the quality is a very visually pleasing, artistic thing to do and I'm all for it.
It's funny how Spider-Verse is always credited as starting the revolution (which is fair, it was the movie that heavily popularized it) but imo, it was really the Peanuts movie and Captain Underpants: The First Epic Movie that STARTED this whole thing
TRUE- it was like the blueprint of it all.
YESSSSSSS
Peanuts certainly. And I feel like Bad Guys came around the same time as or even before Into the Spider-Verse, right?
@@lihns nope. Came out like 4 years later lol
@@KoopaKaper fuck dude it was 2 years ago. Hard to think about that man
The art style is like something a indie comic book artist would make while spider verse is clean nice and pristine while mutant mayhem is grungy, dirty but it's on purpose it's kinda awesome
Been deep in this Turtles fandom for YEARS. Since I was in Pulls Ups n' jazz. I swear, I had a gut feeling this was gonna be the one to get people talking about this franchise on a larger scale despite the brand continuing to push so much quality during these past few quiet years in the larger eye of the public. I can't count how many times I said this was gonna happen (even on the internet multiple times) and it's neat seeing it grow so quickly after just one trailer. Can't wait to see what this take on the franchise grows into over the years!
And I'm basic- favorite topping is pepperoni.
watch rise of the tmnt
@@SayviRock I've seen it and hate how overlooked it got by the larger community. Didn't end up being my favorite, BUT GOODNESS IT DESERVED SO MUCH MORE.
Ello, Geekily
@@ihavespoken9871 hey, bud!
GEEKILY!? WHAT ARE YOU DOING IN HERE!?
Honestly, I adore the effect of Spiderverse, because it's not just one to one copying the style. While Puss and Boots, the Bad Guys, and now Mutant Mayhem are clearly taking inspiration from Spiderverse, they're all so clearly going for something different and unique. The thing they're taking from is the blend of 2D and 3D to add unique style, not Spiderverse's specific style, and I adore that.
You successfully put into words my exact thoughts on the style of this film. Very few people I see on TH-cam seem to be literate in the intricacies, importance and purpose of visual style and consistency, and how that should tie in with the cohesive “ooze” that forms the artistic product’s identity from a purely narrative standpoint - but you do really seem to care. As an Animation student in Uni, watching this felt really vindicating, thank you
This TMNT project looks like the people behind it have a genuine care for the franchise. The art style looks very gritty and dirtied up, but I think it's for a much deeper reason than just a stylist choice. I took it as an indication of how long the turtles have been training and fighting as ninjas, as brothers. And you already pointed this out, but I LOVE how the main cast aren't A- list celebrities because this gives us a fresh take on a classic franchise like Ninja Turtles. As someone who has grown up with these turtles, I can say that this movie's going to be one of the best TMNT movies we've gotten so far.
Also, pineapple and pepperoni are top tier toppings.
7:05 it's worth mentioning arcane as well, definitely wasn't the first to use this but it had a chunk of inspiration and similarities in the animation
Surprised people forgot Mitchells Vs The Machines in the conversation about this style of animation, especially since Jeff Rowe (Co-Director of that film) is directing TMNT Mutant Mayhem.
I grew up with TMNT, starting with the 1990 Jim Henson movie and I've been a fan ever since! This movie pulled me back in and reminded me why I still love them! Can't wait to watch this movie with the family, TURTLE POWER! 💚💚💚
EDIT: Favorite pizza toppings are, in no particular order:
Ham and Pineapple
Pepperoni
Olives
Peppers
Onions
Mushrooms
Red Pepper Flakes
Spinach
Dude, i could care less about the TMNT franchise, but as an animation student i cannot wait to watch this later this year! I absolutely love the vibe and the style the trailer put out
i think it’s really cool that we’re getting new animation styles, but i hope they’re not all so close to looking like ITSV. i hope they decide to push it even further and give us new art styles in animation
never been a tmnt person but this movie's really caught my eye. i'm really loving the feel of this movie, its so textured its almost like i could reach out and touch it. favorite pizza toppings: honestly a plain cheese person, followed by pepperoni (the little ones that curl up and get crisp on the edges), and artichoke.
0:19 Now hold on sir, the Rise of the TMNT movie was pretty freaking good.
I love how down to earth the turtles interactions are. Can’t wait for this
While Spider-Verse for sure heavily influenced the animation industry, we shouldn't forget the contributions of The 2015 peanuts movie and the captain underpants movie which both did the sort of 'adapting visual elements of 2d into 3d; .. thing. A few years before spider-verse.
Honestly, I really hope Mutant Mayhem is a good movie. Nowadays, I try to remain cautiously optimistic about new projects coming out, and not expecting too much to avoid getting burned by disappointment. This rings especially true for me with animated things. Plus, the Great HBO Max Purge of 2022 has made me super paranoid about animated projects, since many of the Purge's unfortunate victims were animated projects (thanks a lot for that, Zaslav... 😒). So, I'm really hoping Mutant Mayhem will end up being another home run.
Also, I'm kind of a basic bitch. You give me pepperoni pizza and I'll scarf that down like a wolf.
I really like the direction that animation is going in right now, cuz you're right, for a long time, animation was dominated by a single style and pushing for realism rather than letting the style tell a story along with the story itself. And none of disney's animation has been bad, really, that realism is still super pretty and it IS impressive that they're able to do that and come up with all this new technology for it, but when all your movies look the same, it unintentionally makes them all *feel* the same, in a sense, which isn't really what you want? I definitely believe Spiderverse was a complete turning point for animation, and I love how companies have started to take notice of the praise for that movie and it's animation and style and the love put into it and have started to bring that into their own movies. And at first, I was afraid that companies would do the same thing they've been doing for years but just with the spiderverse style and just have every movie replicate the spiderverse style and make things feel stale again, but while a lot of this newer animation is similar and definitely takes inspiration from spiderverse, I love that each style feels like it fits the movie it's in, and has started to combine the 2D and 3D to tell
Like spiderverse tries to replicate the style and feel of comics because the story is from comics, arcane to me feels like it's replicating video-game cutscenes (or at least how a video game cut scene can feel when the better graphics of a cut scene can pull you into the story and action a lot more) and it mixes 2D and 3D to show the power and impact of certain things like in the fight scenes or jinx's mental state, puss in boots replicates the style of the illustrations on old storybooks with a somewhat watercolor vibe, the bad guys uses the 2D elements to make it feel more like these are corny heist-pulling bad guys straight out of a cartoon, etc.
And mutant mayhem is no different, it feels like the drawings of a dorky teenager mixed with like a grungy spraypaint feel and uses that 2D to emphasize that (like if you pause on a smear frame, the 3D model is practically untouched, but it uses little scribbles on top of it to give the motion effect, or there's little lines around light sources like you would draw on a cartoon sun, or there's sketchy lines around certain things to emphasize them (like when donnie gets stabbed, there's a couple lines on the edges of the sai to subtly direct your attention to it)).
Like idk, yeah spiderverse is definitely an inspiration for all of these with how it made the entire movie feel like the story literally broke out of the pages of a comic book straight onto the screen, but it definitely feels like these movies aren't trying to replicate that style exactly, just take inspiration from how it's done and how to actually put love and creativity into the animation to further the story and pull you into it
thanks for coming to my ted talk (sorry for rambling I'm autistic and an animation nerd XD)
It's insane that Spider-Verse forced animation to evolve into something different, so it's not just the same Pixar realism attempt, and it's all done by the fine folks at Sony Pictures Imageworks.
I wish people would stop saying "oh, all tmnt movies are trash, this has gotta be the best one yet". Which.. I agree with: "the best one yet" part, but what about Rise? The Rise of The TMNT movie was amazing too, visually and story-wise.
I think we shouldn't forget about it or the series, and at least give it the recognition it deserves.
Great video. Glad you pointed out how TMNT has took inspiration from other stuff but it's also created its own unique style
Whoa, missed that Giancarlo Esposito was voicing Baxter Stockman. Even his voice for the Phantom Blot in Ducktales was intimidating. He can really bring that edge to the character that he's been missing for literal decades. The best attempt IMO was the 2003 version and even then he was still kinda comedic.
*Weirdest comment I’ve seen in a while* was someone suggesting “Zack Snyder” direct an R Rated TMNT.. like - - I think Snyder Fans are just embarrassed to say they love something and wanna make it dark and edgy to justify them still liking it cos it’s “for adults”
Mirage TMNT and Last Ronin are "serious" TMNT stories that should be adapt sometimes in the future
A dark TMNT would be more along the lines of idw or mirage. Honestly, I don't think you can go full R with any of those arcs, plus not everything has to be gory, graphic, or crass in order for it to be mature.
Was it from a video by a TH-camr called "Tex", yeah I've seen that one.
If it wasn’t for Sony buying Spiderman, we would’ve never had Spiderverse…
2,5d animation is underrated. I feel it's overlooked how games have been part of creating that artstyle like with Guilty Gear, Dragon Ball FighterZ. Where they stretch models to be more cinematic.
Stopping in to say I've been mega enjoying the change up of your videos since you started doing the old face cam! Keep going bro 👊
I feel like Mitchells vs. The Machines is a pretty important benchmark between Spiderverse and Mutant Mayhem?
Don't forget Arcane! That has made a huge impact as well. Also my favorite toppings are chicken and pinnaple.
you're amazing and I love the TMNT, perfect combo
If anyone sees me complaining about the spider verse animation renaissance, shoot me because that is an imposter.
I'm honestly just happy that they sound like teenagers. It's usually a bunch or 30 year old men trying to sound young. Also Splinter with an afro is awesome.
I just hope that at a minimum, this movie is as good as the Rise of the TMNT movie. That movie was awesome
I remember watching the trailer for Mutant Mayhem and mistaking it for stop-motion, because of like how the details on the characters and the deliberate short frame-rate made it as if though they were clay figurines. It was actually interesting for me.
Man, we're finally having animation look like Animation for freaking ONCE.
And I'm just proud to say this.
*But it's all thanks to The Spider-Man*
Honestly, if it was done by either The Batman, sucka, the difference wouldn't be changed, and you'd just love to see that.
Spiderverse completely changed animation, for the better, of course. It opened so many doors to stylization that 3D animation always lacked.
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So nice to see a positive video about it... I love to slightly claymation action figure look that it has going
How dare you disregard Rise of the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: the movie, one of the tastiest pieces of animation ever made.
also i love me some pineaple pizza, but we've got a jojo's place nearby that serves mediterranean pizza and it slaps hard
Wow, you went a full eight minutes of talking about Mutant Mayhem without once talking about April's design and how everyone's pitching a fit about her being a black woman again. Good for you.
Also, I feel like they're trying to do what the 2007 movie did and have everyone except the Turtles and possibly a few other characters voiced by celebrity actors.
I’d love to see more Ninja Turtles videos from you in the future
What I like about the TMNT as a concept and what I think reflects in the animation style of this new movie is, it feels like an idea a couple of college guys came up with while stoned out of their minds then just sketched out messily
im not gonna lie, it's really exciting to see new tmnt movies made with this much love and care!! first the rise of the tmnt movie and now mutant mayhem, i seriously cant wait to watch it
I love what Spider-Verse did, and how it broke the mold…nay…OBLITERATED AND REBUILT AND REARRANGED THE MOLD!
However…I don’t think Spider-Verse is the only one we should thank! And I don’t just mean various animation shorts. Before Spider-Verse, there was another animated movie…equally as visually stunning and just as experimental as all these new films! The Peanuts Movie!!!
Yup! From the late Blue Sky studios! The Peanuts Movie, which came out, I think around 2015! That film was animated in such a way that it literally felt like a classic episode of Peanuts, or even a classic comic strip! It also used a hybrid 2D, 3D, low frame rate style!!!
Also, films like the LEGO Movie, and even older live action films, like Speed Racer, and Scott Pilgrim!!!
I feel that the groundwork has been laid for new creators to push the envelope, and even showed, if only for a few years, what the medium of animation, live action, and film in general can do if the right minds are given the tools and resources!!!
While, I personally think that the start of this new animation revolution (specifically animation) began with the Peanuts Movie, Spider-Verse showed just how insane this new experimental style can be! Though again, LEGO movie also helped in practically recreating the exact style of LEGO Stop motion, when only a handful of things were actually Stop Motion, but nonetheless, the hyper stylized CGI is still impressive!!!
Some shots almost give a quasi-claymation vibe if that makes any sense 😅 and I’m here for it!
And I’m personally a fan of the pepperoni & black olive combo (maybe a lil mushroom action)
Tmnt making the fattest comeback in 2023 and I’m here for it
I love the movie from what we've seen so far, when I first saw the trailer I was like, "Oh, another movie trailer, can't wait to see if I'm really going to enjoy this or not." but instead of skipping after 10 seconds I watched it all the way through and I really want to see it! TMNT was something I grew up with, albeit the one on Nickelodeon in the 2010's, so I'm excited to see how this comes out. Also, favorite topping is bacon.
Hopefully Jackie Chan has more lines in this than he does in the Ku Fu Panda movies.
This type of animation is known by many as "2.5D", "Spider-Verse Style", and on TV Tropes "Painted CGI".
I saw someone imply spiderverse had copyright over experimental 3d animation animated on 2s and i wanted to rip my hair out 😭😭 i am very glad spiderverse opened up the minds of the people in charge at big studios, seeing how much praise and awards it got, and now theyre allowing their artists to experiment!!! Im so glad 3d animation is shifting away from realism anf more into the territory of 2d animation
What impresses me more is that you know their characters in 30 Seconds! Especially Leo!
0:51 putheadphones on and you’re gonna think it’s raining
I really love how everything is filled in with squiggles instead of comic dots which helps it stand apart from spider-verse.
Bar low--? Troy have you SEEN the Rise of The Teenage Mutant Turtles movie?
1:34 technically Michael Bay was a producer on those movies not the director
My favorite pizza topping is cheese turtles forever
Cartoon network needs to step up their game with animated theatrical films
The way I see the style of animation is a teenagers sketchbook and I think it works really well
I am so gonna watch it. Rise tmnt brought me back to the franchise and I'm glad to see them get a new movie. Love the gritty style. Wonderful voice acting and hope it will be as action loaded, funny and chaotic as it sounds to be.
Oh and I am a hawaiian pizza fan here.
🍕😊
I don't care about pizza but I do care about your circulation in the algorithm
“Leo is my favourite character” YOU ARE POLICE!!
Into the Spider-Verse is practically (maybe more than) the Toy Story of the 21st century with the amazing advancement and influence in animation.
I love how neither Krang nor Shredder is in this movie. (Well, it will have a utrom character). If I were to make a TMNT film series, I'd have Stockman as the villain as the first film, then Krang in the sequel and Shredder as the big finale.
i fucking love this animation evolution sm im so tired of seeing real life but slightly cartoony
People arent saying this looks exactly like spiderverse, the idea is that if not for spiderverse this style wouldnt be being used and would just look like something illumination would animate
I've honestly never cared about the turtles outside of "hey, they're a parody of my favourite superhero!" but holy hell I LOVE the new movie's animation style. really hyped for it, almost more than I am for spiderverse 2...
favourite pizza topping is broccoli
5:08 I can't believe anyone else has seen Entergalactic I feel like I haven't heard many talks about it 😭😭
I have recently become a big fan of Gumball and am on my way to loving the TMNT. So seeing Nic get cast as Leonardo is really exciting for me.
4:05 lmao ur kidding right
out of all the tmnt iterations whether most beloved or most hated literally noone talks about the 2000s series
for nostalgia they think of the og
for the modern era they think of the 2012 series
the 2003 show is the forgotten middle child of tmnt i mean it has a small cult following but in terms of mainstream media noone really talks about it
also ur right about every iteration having its own style that includes the bay movies too
also some of those 4 turtle actors have been on nickelodeon for sometimes
so they are only unknowns to people who dont watch nickelodeon
I never read or watched the Ninja Turtles before, aside from the first movie, but the way you described them as having an inherently grimy, gross premise while still being full of love and heart, it made me want to see a TMNT cartoon made by Klasky Csupo. But, like, early seasons Rugrats/Duckman/Aaahh!!! Real Monsters era Klasky Csupo
I am actuslly writing a paper rn about the effect Spider-Verse had on animation and how it is a revolutionary step. So seeing this movie come out and Puss n boots2 doing well have just been a joy
I feel like mutant mayhem is giving me claymation vibes. idk why
After really looking at the more grungy shots, I get a Borderlands vibe from them.
So hyped for this movie. It looks fantastic. Plus it has my favourite villains, bebop and rocksteady.
my favorite pizza topping is mushrooms :]
finally someone not so hard on the movie! you're cool, and you got a new subscriber! ^^
Both of those movies have great stylized animation.
The style from this movie reminds me a lot of the 2012 TMNT which I grew up with
I am going to show up day one, Getty as a school girl for this one. Can't wait!!
Mutant Mayhem's art style kinda looks like a cross between Eastman and Laird's style and Into the Spider Verse.
So, Donkey Kong's making a TMNT movie, shall be interesting.
I’m so happy that spiderverse exists so we can get more animated comic book films with. With the mcu being as big as it was and being so influential in media it’s spiderverse was really needed to diversify the super hero genre, and it’s cool to see so many studios following suit. Hell we’re getting a spiderverse inspired Batman beyond movie.
If we get the spider verse animation style for the next decade I will be pleasantly impressed. That stuff takes years to perfect and work on
Never really got into a TMNT just bc it never caught my interest and I always associated it with my younger cousin and so kids media, but recently I’ve been woken to this franchise in a new light and I want this to be my introduction to the franchise bc the style blew me away.
I can’t wait for Baxter Stockman to eat pizza with the Turtles that he barfs up because he poisoned it. Or what if he runs a pizza chain as a front for his plans?
I hope 3D movies try to get inspired by 2D artistic variations over simply spider verse
Olive and sausage on the same slice hits different
Another Troy banger as usual
Ey can we get a mutant mayhem prewrite? I think that'd be interesting!
Can’t wait for this to come out🎉 2:31 Also My favorite toppings are bacon,ham,and extra cheese 🧀
Great video but in something you point and some misconceptions.....like LOW BAR when it comes to movies of the TMNT......this franchise only have truly 3 bad films (TMNT III, and the 2 of Michael Bay reboots), and when it comes to ANIMATION, the franchise have not a single bad film....from Turtles Forever, TMNT vs Batman, the first CGI film TMNT 2007, recently the BRILLIANT Rise of the TMNT Movie, the animated films of the Ninja Turtles flipping ROCKS, and this is why I'm super excited about Mutant Mayhem, plus Seth Rogen company have produce 2 of my modern favorites comic adaptations in Invincible and the Boys. And About the Spiderverse style (I keep comment this....WE NEED A NAME PEOPLE FOR THIS STYLE someone give it a name can't be just SPIDERVERSE STYLE)....this style have been use to perfection in every project I have see it and all have a very different FEEL and Look, despite all blend 3D with 2D, and have lower frames, go watch every project have this style.....start from the begging that is NOT Spiderverse, the first thing I have seen using that style was that Disney Short Paperman (yeah ironically was DISNEY the first place this start got a recognition, I'm sure someone else did before but this is the more mainstream first appearance), that short emulate the classic Disney 2D animation without been fully 2D, been done in CG for the most part, but it have that classical Disney look........Spiderverse use it to recreate a COMIC STYLE, from panels compositions that emulate a comic page, to Onomatopoeias appear when ever a big sound effect happen, to blending half tones to create texture, the idea was making a Comic in the same vane as classic Jack Kirby / Stan Lee era......The Mitchells vs the Machines the next big film using this style do it to emulate this concept art that we see in initial pitches for any kind of project, that feel more experimental than final....The Badguys emulated classic cartoons, that feel more in tune with the vibes of that film....Arcane League of Legends (yes not only FILMS are using this style) used to emulate the ARTWORKS you can find the same illustrations that promote games like League of Legends use, so every frame feel like a painting for art books, Puss in Boots try to emulated the illustrations of Children Books like the fantasy stories of fairy tales, and now TMNT Mutant Mayhem, is emulating that grunge art style that inspired comics like the original TMNT, been more messy and kinda ugly but artistic ugly....I effing love it. This is why I think we need to come for a BETTER name than just call it the SPIDERVERSE STYLE.....this have been use even in videogames like Guilty Gear, Street Fighter, and others use it, is a very versatile style and it deserved a better name.