TMNT Mutant Mayhem is Great! Except that one thing...
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- I still miss Rise. Bring back Rise.
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My video on Rise TMNT is one of my favorite things I've ever done: th-cam.com/video/h97LkMZilgU/w-d-xo.html
Have you ever made a video for TMNT 2012? It’s a good show, at least in my opinion.
I totally agree with you about rottmnt 😢
tbh i didnt like this as a tmnt movie the others are better
imo rotmnt is the best
I think your "grudge" against the creators and staff of Mutam Mayhem for having the recognition "Rise of TMNT" could have dad, should be directed at the excetutuves instead.
Aside from that, you make a good review! Thank you for your content.
One other thing, one of the animators confirmed they are not being overworked.
I feel like with each generation of TMNT since 2012, the goal has been to make the turtles be more "teen-like". However, Mutant Mayhem by far does the best job of representing teenagers. Their dialogue reminded me of how my younger 16 year old brother talks. The improv from the teen voice actors and the writers/directors working with the VAs definitely helped it's accuracy.
Many teenagers sound like adults though.
@@artistanthony1007 True, hence why I don't care hardly at all about teens with adult VAs (especially since that's the standard in all acting). However, it can be helpful to have a teen's perspective when making a film centered around them and their behaviors. :)
It feels surprisingly not annoying with how “with the kids” it feels. The dialog feels like teenagers would say that stuff.
ive never met a teenager that talks like this (i am a teenager as well)
@@tyler403congrats! You just learned that people have different experiences than you!
Honestly, Rise deserved so much better. They took a gamble with so many things, like Raph being the leader, they all have unique designs, April is already friends with the turtles, and Splinter's entire backstory, just to name a few. It all paid off so well, and I really want more, especially with how gorgeous that animation and fight scenes were.
I agree, though I wish we could see it continue, especially with what leo's arc in the movie could mean for team dynamic.
I personally just couldn’t get into that show, I grew up with the 2012 show, and just loved it so much, that when I tried rise, it didn’t really fell like the ninja turtles to me, but I may give it another try, I absolutely loved this movie
I think Rise did a much better job making me connect with the Turtles and see them as unique characters from each other.
MM doesn’t fail in this aspect, but I just think they ended up all feeling a little too interchangeable for me outside of their one “thing”
It happened too soon after the last show, and was way too different, which turned away a lot of people from liking it.
agreed, i WANT to see more rise and rottmnt donnie is one of my favorite characters in media of all time.
This movie had the TMNT actually be voiced by Teenagers instead of adults trying to sound like Teenagers
And I think the most well-known teen in the cast was Leonardo's VA, who was Gumball
@@MelonTartVA yep.
They hired the dumbest kid actors
Wow Hollywood! What a novel concept! Teenagers voicing the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles! Wow, I would have never guess that would have worked.
Which is great…except they don’t get credits during the fun animated credits sequence because they weren’t celebrity voices
I enjoyed that Leo's crush on April propelled the plot forward, it wasn't a gag. Leo being over the top and needing to save April's scooter was the catalyst to their first fight. Raph, Mikey, and Donnie were ready to bail. At the very start of the movie Leo "rats" out the boys to Splinter about seeing a movie and they all get grounded. This contributes to Leo being in on the lie with his brothers. He has this crush on April, he wants to go to school one day, and he learned already in the film that being honest with his dad gets him punished.
I think romance is a part of highschool. I feel like I must have lived a completely different life in HS because me and all my friends were girl/boy crazy. I found Leo's crush on April not creepy, but sweet. He obviously wants to impress her and it's very realistic for a 15 year old to have an interest in girls. Signed anyone who has dated in highschool. Where were some of you going to school where no one was dating? Please, tell me.
But maybe more selfishly, after all the hate April's design got before the movie for being bigger and black- to hear Leo refer to her multiple times as gorgeous, beautiful, or just dreamily stare at her- Like come on. That was the best!! Girls with April's body type are going to love this, it's a confidence boost, and Leo is correct. April is beautiful. I don't care if they get together in the end, I'm not a shipper. I am sure fanfiction can fulfill any whim I might have, but please. Let's have more characters like April be beautiful. Full stop. Not fat but beautiful. Not plump but gorgeous. Just beautiful.
Yes I agree with everything you said, having a crush on someone is being a teenager even if they don’t like you back like Leo and April’s case in that post credit when Leo gets friendzoned 😂 but I do wonder if they are going to play the crush thing out during the series or sequel since I feel with Leo and April’s case he’s like the best friend of a girl who he likes but she doesn’t like him in that way which is sad 😢 ❤💙
No. Mutant Mayhem April looks old and senile. I like Imagi April O'Neil better.
YES YES YES TO EVERYTHING ESPECIALLY THE LAST PART!!!! seeing a character with a similar body type to mine being actually admired felt really special because i NEVER got to see that in media growing up, and it feels nice knowing that other little girls are gonna have that now.
@@zeytinercan2982 right 🤩I’m loving the body positivity in this movie 😍✌🏼
This April the worst design ever given to her
Might be a controversial opinion, but this is probably my favorite iteration of Michelangelo, ever! Most versions of Mikey tend to be two things, an idiot, or a total beach bum, but this one is a total vibe. He's endearing and supportive, and I just found him to be really wholesome. To be fair, I haven't watched Rise yet, so I can't say definitively, but for now, this movie is my favorite iteration of the character.
You might like Rise Mikey then.
He’s similar being endearingly sweet and supportive, but he is the baby and likes using personas to better express himself (Dr. Delicate Touch is literally his meanness and rage through “tough love”).
I completely agree, I ADORED this version of him
Doctor delicate touch feels nothing 😈
I loved this version of mikey, but if you too like him, you will LOVE rise mikey. He has so much more personality along with his classic happy-go-lucky mikeyness.
hes sooo cute in this movie
This movie was so good. The animation, the characters, the fight choreography, and the fact that they were voiced by actual teenagers are all awesome, and I love how they really focused on the turtles and Splinter as a family over them as ninjas.
The family element is one of the strongest parts of the movie.
More like 11 year olds
Meanwhile in Australia, TMNT coming out on 7th of September
I especially loved how they gave Splinter Parrells to Super fly.
I have no idea what you’re talking about man I watched it expecting more and it was just a generic kids cartoon.
Given that this Splinter doesn’t have any relation with Hamato Yoshi, I think it’d be cool if they incorporated the guy as an ally to the Turtles and Splinter in the sequel. Like he ends up a cool uncle to the turtles.
I can see this Splinter being bros with a cool laidback yet still capable version of Hamato Yoshi
Maybe the guy in the video tapes is hamato yoshi and separated that could still have a dynamic of the turtles teaming up with a command enemy allows the turtles to have a father separated from martial arts sensi now that is a genius new approach
Well it leaves Splinter's earliest history open ended, he starts off as a rat on the streets of New York but it doesn't specify that he was born there, it doesn't specify a few things actually. So they could easily work the rest of his back story to be more akin to something from the original comic or first movie, he ends up a scavenger after Hamato Yoshi was killed. Maybe that's just something he wants to keep a secret or he has a reason for not bringing that up.
@@RetroCynical maybe he used the video tapes to teach the turtles better and show them moves even he doesn’t know
That would be pretty cool having Yoshi become a friend to the turtles and splinter who goes on to improve their ninja skills. Then you could have Shredder kill Yoshi in what would be a very sad moment as unlike the usual storyline, the audience and the characters had time to build a connection with Yoshi. Also it would give the turtles and Shredder a strong connection.
As a huge TMNT fan who prefers darker and older turtles, MM was fantastic. Just because it isn’t what I prefer doesn’t mean I didn’t enjoy the absolute heck out of it! My little brother and I had a great time at the theater with our themed popcorn, drink, and action figures we brought from home
I supposed that's where the heart of the matter lays, whether or not the children like it.
Part of the reason seasons 1-5 of 03 TMNT will forever be GOATed is for having the most healthy Casey/April ship, and not having the turtles pursue humans romantically. In season 5, Mikey is approached with the topic and says, “Maybe if she was green and had a shell, you’d have something.”
I am not for a ship between April and one of the Turtles, but they do have human level intelligence and emotions. And it's not like there is an abundance of Mutants their age. It typically works out for Raph, but if they want a significant other I feel like it's unfair to say, "suck it up and hope for the small chance you'll run into another mutant your age who doesn't want to kill you".
@@thebeavpercabethftw9604 I get where you’re coming from, and in modern sci-fi beings from different species have romances all the time. I can also see where it’s off putting for some because it can be hard to wrap your head around a human being attracted to a giant turtle. I think there’d be less of a cognitive dissonance if they started out as humans instead of literal turtles.
@@emperortime4380 I guess that's why it is easier to justify Jennika still trying to make things work with Casey after she gets mutated in the IDW Comics. What about Mikey's main crushes? I mean Kala and Princess Trib are humanoid aliens and Renet is an Interdimensional Timme Sorceress.
*Time
@@thebeavpercabethftw9604 It ultimately comes down to the writers and, while I think it can be done well, Apriltello wasn’t executed well in 2012. IDW’s eclectic style of mishmashing continuities could lend itself to making those ships less distracting, since there’s so much going on. I do think Raph/Alopex has been a pretty cute ship overall.
Briefly on that last bit: From what I'm told, even the animators on Sausage Party say that Rogen and Goldberg weren't responsible for the bad working conditions (that was mostly Nitrogen Studios and co-director Greg Tiernan apparently), so I can buy that that wasn't carried over to this film. If anything it probably convinced Rogen to keep a closer eye on things this time.
Glad that someone still thinks that Rise DESERVES more time. I really enjoyed the movie and still wished that the show got at least 2 more seasons.
Also I agree with the romance it's annoying.
A show cramped by what it preceded and what immediately followed it.. and Nickelodeon's weird habit of marketing using the 80s designs, rather than Rise or 2012.
@@amesstarline5482That’s…A really great point
@@amesstarline5482 I'm surprised they aren't recognizing the 03 designs at all really. Sure they ARE a bit copy paste, BUT in terms of BUILD at least they all look like they could ONE take a hit, and TWO land a hit. ALL the other designs kinda make me raise a brow tbh. The 03 look was SIMPLE but sometimes that's better. Don doesn't need GLASSES to tell you he's the smart one.
Real.
@@TheRibottoStudios that's why I enjoyed 2003's and Rise's designs alot more than the others. Like you mentioned, 2003 has a simple yet enjoyable design to them. Then Rise just makes them a bit more unique and I enjoy that. Nothing too crazy but making each turtle a different species is awesome
As someone who’s not big on TMNT I absolutely loved this movie and the down to earth Teenage approach and I loved seeing the Turtles Struggles with wanting to be among society, it’s cliche done right. Also I feel like Leo having a crush on April worked because teens are gonna have crushes (not always) and it was hilarious seeing the turtles dunking on Leo for it! But yeah it seems like they remained friends in the end HOPEFULLY
Ok so this is random but I never really had a crush in my teen years and I still have never had a crush
Sure I had fictional crushes but those don’t really count anyway is this normal or is it just me
Also I think a big reason why I never had a crush in my teen years is because my parents gave me medication/shots to halt my puberty/growth hormones
Because I was a late bloomer child I was tiny if I didn’t take those medications I would have been much shorter (like 4 feet and above) and my bones would of been weaker so my parents gave me growth shots so I would grow faster and I took a monthly shot to stop my period from happening
So I guess this is why I never had any crushes (I was also a sheltered teen I didn’t go to school in my teens I was home schooled) but anyway idk
I’m just theorizing here but yeah sorry about the long rambling
@@PixelaGames2000 wow that’s messed up it’s ok to not have crushes but halting puberty that’s not right
@@PixelaGames2000I am no expert, I have no clue what the affects of those shots would be, but you can also be aromantic which is when you just don’t develop crushes or romantic feelings at all.
If April’s a lesbian, that would be super funny and relatable for Leo because I had a crush on two girls who were lesbians, and it took me 4 weeks to find out they’re gay.
@@ShockwaveFPSStudios oh my god same here😂. They were so hot but than I found out they were lesbian I thought they were really good friends
The after credits was great. I gotta say, I was glad that they focused on mutants rather than the Foot Clan for once, but I wished Splinters backstory was more like the Nicktoons one.
...which nicktoon's one? There's 2, maybe three, of em.
@@knightofblackfyre7950probably the 2012 one if I had to guess
@@knightofblackfyre7950 The creepy good one that came out before "Rise". Had Sean Astin in it, etc;
You called the 2012 show creepy?
@@ac_nerd9794 Not because it was bad! But there were soooo many scary moments. Pulverizer being mutated, the new iteration of the Rat King...just to name a few.
Shout out to Raphael for being the only Turtle who hasn’t crushed on April (as of now, please don’t ever do it) He’s got his lizard Queen Mona Lisa and they are the best couple (in 2012)!!
Nah 87 version of Mona Lisa was better
Not only his canonical girlfriend, but the legion of Raph fangirls that would revolt if it ever happened 😅
@@dreamsdeep1076 She’s amazing too!
It helps that actual teens did the roles and supposedly improved some of the dialogue. I've been teaching HS students for 25 years and this felt pretty authentic by movie standards.
I also get the sense that these TMNT are still on the younger side. I don't think Mikey and Donnie have had their growth spurts or voices change yet, which would be typical of HS freshmen boys, roughly ages 14-15. We will hopefully see these characters grow and mature into the characters we are more familiar with.
It's nice to know we can have a good Ninja Turtles story without Shredder or Krang.
And I'm sure the Leo and April thing was all in good fun. 😙
Yeah, I definitely think Cynthia Utrom is going to be this universe's version of Krang. I just feel it in my soul, you know?
And I kind of disagree with Cell's take on the Leo and April thing. I didn't think it was actually that bad. His very one-sided crush on her was actually fairly understated all things considered, and their friendship is by far the focal point. It didn't drag either of their personalities nor character arcs down. Her accepting his prom proposal could very much be read as a "platonic date" sort of deal.
I'm also not _completely_ opposed to any of the four of them having crushes on her, nor that she would eventually get together with any of them. However, you would need to be incredibly careful with that approach. They need to have their own character and stories going on first and foremost for it to work.
I agree with you all the way. Leo and April's dynamic was truly great and I get the feeling Cynthia is going to turn put to be Krang.@@Acidfrog475
How is it good to know we can have "good" stories without the best maim villains?
@@hassanalkhalaf1115because it means that teenage mutant ninja turtles is more than just their villain
movie is a ten out of ten for having that superfly entrance. Ice Cube killed it as the villain!
I loved the actors in mutant mayhem Jackie Chan was amazing as good ol splints.
Even if you don't particularly care for TMNT, I feel like EVERY animation enthusiast NEEDS to see this film. It is GORGEOUS. I had to stop myself multiple times in the theatre from literally going "MMM! OOH!" as the different shots came on screen. It's all so tasty and textural and there was clearly so much love put into it
My 21 year old sister and i went to see it knowing literally NOTHING about TMNT, but we were drawn in by the visuals. Neither of us had seen a single episode or movie prior nor had we ever wanted to. Regardless, we came out of the theatre literally beaming. Whether you're a TMNT fan or not, this movie really works!
I don't say this often, but yeah this film has STUNNING animation. Every frame is a painting.
For those wondering about April’s race I’ll just leave these quotes by the original authors
“ (April was) originally created as an Asian character in Pete’s notes, but named after an African American woman I once knew.” -Kevin Eastman
“It depends on which co-creator of the TMNT you ask. If you ask me, I always saw April O’Neil as white. If you ask Kevin, I suspect he would say - as he has in a number of interviews - that she was of mixed race, much like his former girlfriend (then wife, then ex-wife) April.” -Peter Laird
Yeah, no. They made here here and in the Rise CLEARLY black because she is ginger in 80's cartoons.
Original comics has absolutely 0 relevancy (not to mention in them she was 1/8 non white At best, and still Not black) here. They are strategically replacing all gingers there ever was.
Even Dr Manhattan became black in HBO show because one of the first recolorings of Watchmen had Ostermann's hair ginger in color.
Jimmy Olsen, medium woman from Hellboy 2019, Starfire, Heimdall, MJ. List just endless.
@@FirstnameLastname-my7bz ok
@@FirstnameLastname-my7bzpsycho shit
@@animasuperfreakgirl not ok at all tbf. Clear evidence of animosity towards people of certain skin + hair color from hollywood producers. Who replacing them even in animations and even in comics (Wally West in new52, Geoff Johns before he was comics writer was hollywood producer trainee). And hidden blatant racism because there is only one anagram for a word ginger.
Just like there are A LOT of arab/muslim characters with sand powers like Dust from X-Men or that Syrian refugee boy from Kandaq from Doomsday Clock. Just like almost every black character gets electric powers.
Once you notice there is no going back.
@@FirstnameLastname-my7bz ok
Normally I'm not that big of a TMNT fan, but that quickly changed after discovering Rise and I'm glad there are people out there that still care for this show especially with all the hate it got when it first premiered. I was so glad that April wasn't a love interest to any of the brothers in Rise because she fit WAY better as an older sister figure to the brothers. I do have hope for Rise to come back since they stated the show was technically on pause due to work on Mutant Mayhem so who knows all we can do is wait
I'd much rather the 2012 show come back. It was a much better show overall and Rise getting a movie over the 2012 show is just crazy. I enjoyed Rise but it just doesn't hit like the 2012 show.
@@ac_nerd9794 But to be fair tmnt 2012 did get a lot of season, rise deserves better than what it got but I do still agree that the 2012 was quite good
@@Donnie_is_cool The 2012 got more seasons but it should have went on a bit longer.
@@ac_nerd9794 The fifth season jumped a shark.
@@maddenboseroy4074 It did but I'm comparing the two seasons of Rise to the beginning to 2012. I think they went crazy with the last season instead of introducing us to some of the other characters in the lore. Other than that, Season 5 was just a whack experiment which ended the best show and that didn't go well with me. It's sad but Rise had a few good moments. Haven't watched the movie yet though.
I'm just so in love with this tmnt cession that is so so gen Z. I loved every single thing about this animated feature. It's also so cool to know that the animators weren't overworked and underpayed.
Can we just get back to 2003 format and Rise format where April just like one of the guys? It made anything they did for her and vice versa feel INCREDIBLY genuine and heartfelt vs "oh I'm just doing it to impress a GIRL." Like, for instance in the 03 version, she lost her HOME, her LIVELIHOOD for the turtles and DID NOT GIVE THEM THE COLD SHOULDER even though it was well within her right. She had no need to go upstate with them to take care of a comatose Leonardo. But she DID. THEY had no real obligation to keep in contact after they first worked together to stop Stockman but they did and they did keep in contact cause they're genuine friends.
And in Rise she got herself POSSESSED to help fight the Shredder, she took on the KRANG she's a real one. She took part in their shenanigans, she was more than just a cheerleader or side piece or love interest. She was an ACTIVE member of that family and to me that's so heartwarming. Someone becoming part of the family because of a romantic plot vs found family is something I never really liked; it's why Harry x Ginny always kinda rubbed me the wrong way. Cause it just kinda felt like Harry was given that ship TO BECOME part of the Weasley family. When he always was already. Can we get THOSE Aprils back please?!
“But rise is still better”
YES ABSOLUTELY
It took 30 years but we finally got another great [theatrical] TMNT movie
The 2007 movie is very underrated
That 2007 movie may have been very different from most TMNT projects but it's amazing and a little refreshing.
What about Rottmnt; the movie?
@@Donnie_is_coolThat's Streaming movie,but got a theatrical release on other country.
@@Donnie_is_coolit was so good bro but I wish mikey got more screen time😭
FINALLY! Someone who agrees with me. I hate that Nick has this obsession of making April a teen and love-interest to any of the turtles. It's so weird and unnecessary. I always loved that she was like an older sister to them.
Honestly I’m not totally on board with “rise is better, we should’ve gotten more of that” which surrounds this movie, as that kind of harsh comparison is what originally doomed Rise of the TMNT in the first place. Mutant Mayhem is something different, and was put in production seperately from rise of the tmnt. It isn’t responsible for rise’s cancellation, it was the network cancelling partway through the series.
Idk, I’m just tired of people complaining that this “cancelled Rise” and the general fandom around rise of the tmnt which tends to devalue the rest of the franchise that isn’t Rottmnt. (A popular example is that past series were relentlessly insulted by rise fans, especially tmnt 2012)
Plus how quickly Rise replaced 2012 I mean the announcement came while the final episodes were still airing meaning people didn't get to miss 2012 before getting slammed with new turtles. Rise was mocked for its character designs and choices for certain changes like Raph being leader now all of a sudden the new take is Rise is actually good and is now the most praised animated series with people pretending like 2003 and 2012 are trash. I haven't seen Rise myself but a lot of people say positive things about it so I don't want to crap on something I haven't seen but I'm still salty about how quickly people forgot about 2012 when in my opinion it's the best TMNT series we've gotten.
@@BriSand1993I mean 2012 tmnt has been considered to be the best version you can search it up.
@@victor2641 I do consider it the best version and this is coming from me who grew up with the 2003 cartoon and loved it but the 2012 cartoon took lore from other TMNT iterations and improved upon them while also telling their own unique story meaning they still honored the source material while Rise just did its own thing which I'm not saying is bad as I haven't seen that series yet but it just feels like they wanted to do their own original cartoon and got lucky they were stuck with a well known IP meaning people would check it out because it's just another version. But to me there's a fine line between doing something different to completely changing the core concept of what TMNT is and that to me is where Rise fails yet their fans get so touchy when you bring it up; like I'm not saying Rise is a bad cartoon just that it's not a good TMNT cartoon.
Agreed. Tmnt is just a franchise that gets updated every five years. Just because we get another version doesn’t mean it « replaces » the previous one
I'm going to keep being completely delusional that ROTTMNT will be unpaused and will continue.
same
Yo siento el mismo (idk if I spelt that right, Spanish mwahahahahah)
Translation btw: I feel the same way
Till the day I die 😔🤚
Let’s keep it going 💪
I so agree! I think people struggle with writing Raph without the angst (which this film didn't really focus on) and I don't blame them. He turns more into his 87 counterpart which isn't bad but I want more out of him, hopefully as they age and the story become more serious (at least I hope). Regarding Splinter it was a bit weird honestly. He COULD of course be lying about his backstory but that would feel a bit dishonest and lazy I guess... Yoshi = Splinter is still the best version if they are gonna incorperate Shredder though. Redgarding Shredder I think he is gonna be an alien again, which is not my favorite... and TMNT 2007 is miles better than the 1990s film - FIGHT ME!!!
No. Yoshi =/= Splinter.
However, I also love TMNT 2007.
I might revisit the 2007 film, but all I know is I never actually finished it because I got bored and turned it off.
I agree the 2007 movie is better than the OG, though obviously Mutant Mayhem blows them both out of the water.
Raph is my favourite turtle and has been since I was a child, and I honestly think they did a decent job with his character. I didn’t feel like any one turtle was the star of the movie, and I liked that!
For the series that’s gonna accompany the movie, I hope we get to see Raph entering his more rebellious phase, ignoring Leo and getting into trouble on his own as per usual. I also hope we get to see more of the turtle’s personalities through character-focused episodes. That’d make this my favourite iteration of TMNT, personally
@@moistwrmonastring1017 No. Klaus Badelt's score gave a whole lotta life to the film. Raznor and Ross couldn't even handle a 62-piece orchestra like that. Besides, Raphael is the most badass character as the Nightwatcher. Plus, I even explored some interesting Aztec vibes from the Stone Generals.
The most impressive thing this movie did was release in the same year as the Spider Society escape and the Guardians "No Sleep" hallway fight, but STILL manage to have the best action scene in a comic book movie thanks to the "No Diggity" montage
Love this movie. It was absolutely fantastic and one of the best things the Turtles brought out, and considering how popular the franchise is, that is really saying a lot.
I love TMNT 2007, not just the Leo vs Raph scene, I really like the whole movie
Yeah I'm really sick of the take of people saying only the rooftop scene is worth watching. Is this guy who made the video a genuine tmnt fan or is he a casual fan because it's clear TMNT 2007 was trying to go with more established older mature turtles and that over all it's a story about reconnecting with family which I still think is one of the most ambitious things this franchise has ever done which is have the main conflict be internal. I don't care what anyone says TMNT 2007 is the second greatest theatrical movie only under the 1990 film.
First it's not a guy. Second she likes Rise which is already red flag that screams modern fan of tmnt not OG. So yeah her opinion should taken with multiple grains of salt.
@@mrksimka1159 Yeah, I mean I haven't seen Rise but I've heard good things about it. That being said it seems to me like Rise is more of an anime with the TMNT IP attached to it which is why I can't take anyone serious who would put it above the 2003 or 2012 cartoon series because despite the differences between those two series they are TMNT at their core. I won't dunk on Rise since I haven't seen it all the way through but based on what people say about it my take is Rise is a good cartoon just not a good TMNT cartoon.
@@mrksimka1159So what if she likes it? A lot of Rise fans were fans of the 2003 and 2012 TMNT
Giving Donatello glasses: colourblind people who can’t distinguish between blue and purple are incredibly grateful for this.
My thought regarding the romance angle is I like the idea of them all having schoolboy crushes on April completely oblivious to the fact she's thoroughly uninterested and doesn't even see them close to that way. Like it doesn't dominate their relationship with her, they want to be friends first and foremost, but you can tell these guys have never interacted with a woman before (it'd help if she's way older than them)
Also yeah Rise is still aces, I think if Leo was just a bit closer to his normal characterization in that it'd be flawless
I loved Rise so much. While I'll love the turtles to my death, having that incarnation end so early really sucked.
I LOVED this movie when I first saw it (on the UK release date)! The ending especially is the happiest I've been watching TMNT since the Rise movie (which is saying something as someone who still hopes it will return someday)!
Also, I appreciate how toned down the Leo x April thing was, at least. Like it didn't take up most of the movie. It reminds me of how I found the Donnie x April thing in 2012 cute at first (but then it got progressively worse). I'm not actually opposed to the anthropomorphic romance thing but... wow that writing (I still believe that romance could've been written to be perfectly serviceable but NOPE HERE'S A LOVE TRIANGLE 😒).
It's also nice to see Leo have a crush on this version of April after everyone and their mother kept sh*tting on her character design.
Nah yeah, the writing for Donnie and April for the 2012 one was wack asf. I think everyone can agree on that honestly.
Loved it!! But without this animation style I might've not. I wonder if we're at another animation renaissance? They're definitely inspired by Spider-verse but Mitchel vs Machine, Puss in boots and this are unique in their approach! Can't wait to see what's next!
It is pretty interesting how this franchise always use a different technique.
The first trilogy was puppetry;
The 2007 CGI animation;
The 2010s duology was mocap CGI;
Rise was 2D animation;
And this one is CGI with 2D.
I hope we get a stop motion film someday
Tim Burton’s Tmnt 😂😂😂
@@coldchillywilly9901 Wes Anderson Tmnt
This movie was really amazing and I love the idea of graffiti come to life. I still have a few gripes as a long-time TMNT fan such as Splinter's origin and how the turtles learned martial arts, but I think it's alright for the most part and I had such a fun time with this movie. However, the sudden end of RISE still hurts a bit in my soul. Regardless, this is a new generation of TMNT, and just like RISE, I'm sure they're gonna deliver. I still think the Rise movie is my favorite TMNT movie of all time. But as a theatrical movie, it's my favorite. I give it a 9/10. Great movie and I had a fantastic time.
The amazing part for me is how the 2014 movie did some similar ideas, and yet I found that worked so much better here since it felt intentional as opposed to scrambling to find a vision that will please the fan outcry that 2014 did.
Even if you dislike it, you can't deny that out of the shadows gave them more aspirations than just beating the bad guy.
I’d rather watch both live action ones ten times each then spend 10 more mins on this movie
I for one, kinda appreciate that they didn't have a Japanese man turn into a rat.
A pretty fun time. Kinda rushed and standard in some places, and a few too many pop culture references but otherwise well done. Solid groundwork for sequels and a series so I',m glad this is our next major iteration.
Because they really felt actual teenagers all the references felt natural so I didn’t really have a problem with it.
Yeah, but real teenagers suck...
@@Gong-Fu_Hermit"real teenagers suck" 🤡
@@Gong-Fu_Hermitwell not turtles, think about that
The pop culture references that often sound dated a few years after is part of the Turtles charm, though. I dig it.
If Leo is still obsessing over April in the sequel or series I will riot.
Scrolling down the newest comment section was WORTH IT!
I loved the animation style in Mutant Mayhem because it showed me my drawings don’t have to be perfectly symmetrical to be pretty. Also, I know it’s weird that the writers erased the Hamato Yoshi lore but put it this way:
In most iterations when the Turtles have to fight Shredder, it sometimes feels like Splinter is making them fight his own battles. It feels like he’s saying “Okay my adopted kids, go defeat my nemesis like I taught you!” You know? So even though I miss Splinter being Hamato or his pet rat, I feel like it’s a little better that the turtles fight their own antagonists.
About the whole turtle x April thing, it’s funny how this is the only time it’s written right. Like you said, Leo’s not obsessed with April and his crush kind of helps him develop into trusting people more.
One more thing, I’m still a little a bitter too of how dirty Nick did ROTTMNT.
For the first time, I have no idea where the turtles are going aftet this, and that excites me.
I liked how this movie was able to do new things with the turtles, without going too far, like the Micheal Bay films did.
I can't wait for the Shredder and Kraang teamup in the second movie. Go ninja, go ninja, go!
2007 was my childhood
same. and had the old cartoon on vhs at my grandmother's
This movie is honestly my favorite animated movie in some time. I know it's cause I'm already a TMNT fan but something about it really makes me love it.
I very much enjoyed this movie. It made me understand teenager cliques a bit more as a introverted person. Animation is great (the Hot Diggity fight scene is an animation moment of the year), the Turtles are endearing and loveable, and the other mutant are pretty good too. As far as April and Leo goes, it's harmless imo because 1. Romance is not a subplot in this movie at all, 2. they can resolve that thread in the new TV show and 3. April is the only human I can say that looks "normal" in comparison to every other human. So her being deemed as a "beautiful young woman" by Leo is funny in that context.
That said, I'm looking forward to what's next for this incarnation of Turtles.
I think the movie just depicted how people really look in real life. Like honestly majority of people are average to not good looking. Personally as a ugly person it felt kind of good to see not everyone was perfect beautiful humans in this movie.
@@emmarod8746 I agree with you. It's actually nice to see humans look ugly/unconventional in a mainstream animated feature.
I love the TMNT 2007 movie 😅 but thats just my nostalgia glasses
TMNT 2007 is amazing!
This movie is amazing but still disappointed this replaces Rise quickly. I'm excited for the future for this version of the turtles but sad this replaces Rise.
Same. The movie is really good but rise was what got me into tmnt so I still feel a bit bitter.
@@avibingplaylist6381 I got into TMNT when 2012 was around and was a little skeptical about Rise but ended up loving the show. I'm mad still Nickelodeon treated the show like crap
Loved this move sm, definitely miss Rise but I'm so exited for more of this :))
This movie was really good I saw it today with my lil' bro. My fav character was Superfly even though he was the "bad guy" but baby Superfly was too cute 🥺🥺🥺
It’s been nearly two weeks since I watched the film (14th august), but it was still stuck in my mind from how exciting it was.
My only complaints is I hate how they treat Splinter as a typical middle aged dad figure instead of the BA Ninja Assassin Sensei he is portrayed as in other cinemas' and the fact Donny sounds like a typical kid in Fortnite that would yell and scream if things didn't go his way
This splinter kind of breaks away from the stereotype, i think its good
Maybe Paramount it making up for how Rise was treated by showing more confidence in this new iteration.
I have a theory. Splinter is Hamato Yoshi's pet rat! When he tells the boys his back story he looks different than the other rats and he starts his story as an adult rat in his "prime." He even told them other rats didn't like him. His only friend was Kevin the cockroach but he died. I think Splinter started as a pet rat. It explains why he a bit softer around the edges. I am betting in the show or the second movie Splinter will have to tell the boys the truth, the reason he wouldn't want them to know is maybe because it is embarrassing to be a pet rat? That's my theory. And then The Shredder will still have killed Hamato Yoshi, so when Splinter finds out the TCRI has hired Shredder to take down the turtles Splinter will have all this fear over his sons getting killed just the way his master did.
That'd be interesting, I think splinter from the og comics was Also just Yoshi's pet rat so that'd be a interesting call back.
"...that believes that Leo has a thing for his sister."
Good thing I wasn't drinking during this video or else I probably would of spit it out after I heard that XD
Honestly it annoys me that people keep bringing it up because they're not siblings and they weren't raised together. Splinter is Karai's father but he only adopted the turtles which were only meant to be simple pets before certain things happened; it's not like Splinter could have ever foreseen those little turtles he bought at the pet shop would actually become sons to him. Plus Karai has her own life outside of them, it's not like when they found out she immediately started living under the same roof as them. People also want to act like these are the only versions of Leo and Karai when 2003 was teasing that as well but it was done in a respectful mutual rivalry as warriors with honor with Karai always towing that line of trying to stay loyal to the Shredder who adopted her while also trying to uphold her principles which Leo always reminded her of. TMNT 2003 doesn't focus on shipping except Casey and April but those seeds were planted if they ever wanted to go that direction with Leo and Karai. I think even in the 80s cartoon they did it but I believe for legal reasons they couldn't use the name Karai so they named the character Lotus Blossom I think but anyone can tell who she's meant to be.
Watching this back to back with your Rise video (#saveROTTMNT), and having watched Sarcastic Chorus's review and WickedBinge's Mutant Mayhem videos, I found many similarities between Mutant Mayhem and Rise:
- Donnie being more involved and having Rise-level snark
- Mikey being the extremely emotional brother
- a focus on Leo being the insecure one, with the only reason he becomes as active as his brothers in trying to see the human world being April
- stay-at-home Splinter whose character arc drives the movie (interesting take being an understandable racism against humans)
- the turtles looking human in clothes
- the turtles moving largely as a unit in their debut
- the film does try to distinguish itself from previous incarnations, simply not going as far as Rise because Rogen was an '80s fan (his Bebop voice is a reference to how Bebop was voiced in the '80s series; and I had NO idea that Wingnut, Genghis Frog, Ray Fillet, and Scumbug were preexisting TMNT characters)
- AND HIS NAME IS JOHN CENA! (cue John Cena theme and cheering crowds)
Also, compare the action here to in Rise.
Donnie def doesn’t have THAT level of snark
@@coldchillywilly9901 Then why is he called savage?
This movie makes me want to replay Psychonauts again
Yeah, also agree with you
The movie was really fun! But man, I'm not going to lie, I'm still sad we're probably never going to get something like Rise again...
Also whoever is insisting one of the turtles needs to have a crush for April?!? Stop... Please???
I get the whole trope with April and the one of the turtles romance can be tiring. However, her and Donnie’s relationship was WAY more healthy compared to 2012. Mainly because it was more close friends but I wouldn’t mind if they had a romance. (Another reason why I love Rise so much).
I really liked this movie, didn’t mind the Leo and April crush thing, I could take it or leave it when it comes to any of the turtles crushing on April, in this I thought it was cute since it was pretty mild, like it didn’t really take any thing away from the characters, particularly April. For Leo, it just made him more awkward and gave the other turtles another reason to tease him. Maybe not necessary but ultimately harmless. All the references were a bit much but overall pretty good movie.
Anyone else like Cellspex’s new design for her persona?
I do.
TMNT 2007 is perfect that one scene is not the only good scene i'm so angry about this.
That movie is mid lmao
@@pjdixon6199 You're the reason your parents split up
To be fair, it's not the first time a turtle has had a crush on April.
Yeah and it won't be the last
Unfortunately
Heck the first 90’s movie had Mikey having a thing for April. Yeah he dropped it when she got with Casey but it was there. Meanwhile in 2003 it’s clear as day that Donnie got feelings for April but was too shy to actually say anything and once Casey showed up he decided to not even bother to try. The only incarnations that didn’t do a romance with April is the 80’s show (as far as I can recall) and the 2007 movie which makes sense as April’s married to Casey in that film so there’s no point in having it.
@@GoleonRise also didn't have a romance with April- iirc it didn't have romance at all
@@Commenter839 - I didn’t include that because it was already said.
I don't get why April is the token love interest either. As for Jackie Chan, he seems to be playing almost the same role as in the Lego Ninjago Movie.
As a TMNT fan this movie was such a blast to watch understanding all the characters and refrences and i just had a huge smile on my face the whole way through
I loved this movie and the fact that recent depictions of the Turtles are starting to show them as a family unit more often. Seth Rogan is hit or miss with his work but this is a definite hit! Not as good as ATSV though but that’s neither here nor there.
What does ATSV stand for?
@@ethancox9737 Across The Spiderverse. How does someone not know that?
@@firecrakerj3312 Sorry, I haven't seen it abbreviated like that before.
@@ethancox9737 I see. Apologies if I sounded rude.
@@firecrakerj3312 It's ok.
Tmnt 2007 SLANDER
That scene is worth it’s weight in DIAMONDS. the rest of the movie is!
I mean it’s Tmnt 2007! It’s got other scenes!
The great thing about the TMNT: there are so many different versions and they are all valid and none are really meant to replace the other previous incarnations. I grew up reading the original Mirage comics, but like a lot of the other takes on the franchise. The new movie is coo af
I honestly didn’t love this film on a first watch, but after 3 viewings I can honestly say it gets better every time.
I’m sorry, but if you didn’t love it why did you watch it 3 times 💀
I’ve seen it twice (took my niece) and still didn’t like it all that much the 2nd viewing. Just got more tolerable 🤷🏽♀️
@@memeview2566 1) cause while I didn’t love it I still LIKED it, and 2) because I had friends who wanted to see it with me.
Review when?
@@alditoification kinda got a lot on my plate unfortunately
For me, Mutant Mayhem is up there with TMNT (1990) and definitely my favorite movie of the year.
I like how you don’t mention the fact that Rogen also produced invincible and the boys the dude been killing it when it comes to adapting the info sphere of comics
A few of the animators came out and have supported the claims of no overwork with one even saying they did overtime through their own decision and director actively asked them if they were okay and to stop when they wanted
The thing about April being a love interest is that these are teenage boys meeting a woman who won’t scream at them. It’s somewhat realistic that one of the turtles would have some sort of crush. Not to say that it should be a thing, I’d be happy if April were to be like “I appreciate it, but you’re a turtle,” and then have another side story about finding a mutant love interest or some
Love the style of animation sm
Note on the last bit: April in rise more like a sister than a friend
Too bad we never got a movie for the best one of all, the 2012 series, the only modern TMNT series that didn’t rely on a gimmick (powered weapons, crazy art style and character dynamic changes, or hulking them up and leaning towards the Transformers aesthetic, or looking like a messy sketchbook and making the turtles more like kids than ever before)
I really do think the style and writing of the 2012 series woulda been good for a theatrical film to get attention from the general audiences. Their designs weren’t too crazy and yet were distinguishable. The acting was pretty good. The story was easy to be invested in. Splinter and Shredder were a combination of their best traits from past incarnations (now he’s a freakin Guinea pig the last 2 incarnations for some reason. And in the 2014 movie he looked like a sick kangaroo)
Without a doubt 2012 is still the best series and this is coming from someone who grew up with the 2003 series and was hesitant to ever check out 2012 but after hearing so much people talk about how good it was I had no choice but to see for myself and while it does have its problems overall there's more good than bad. I like 2012 the best but at the same time I won't ever rank it above or below the 2003 series because the way I see it 2003 walked so that 2012 could run and I prefer the human characters more as adults but I understand why the change was made for 2012 because it works for the story they're telling.
@@BriSand1993 When I say that 2012 is the best, I just mean in my opinion. And that said, I like the others as well. 2003 is my second favorite. I think 2003 would be definitive to me because it feels so natural as the TMNT style for the first 5 seasons while being darker but still being able to be for kids on… well… 4kids. I feel like 2012’s series is just slightly stylized in a way that’s not completely faithful to the look and feel of TMNT overall, as TMNT is usually a bit more gritty. BUT I think most everything else about it was so well balanced and took things I liked from past incarnations. They felt more like the classic Turtles than 2003 yet more like the 2003 turtles than the classics. It felt like the original movies in some ways. It felt like the 2007 movie in a lot of ways. It showed all the characters. Like we got to see Bishop. But also Baxter Stockman. But also Bebop and Rocksteady again. We got to see Kurai and Casey, but they also had their own version of Mona. They referenced Venus. They showed Kraang in the form similar to the Utrom yet actually showed Kraang himself in connected lore, they show their pupils but turn completely white when in fierce mode like the 2003 series. They referenced the designs of the 2014 movie. You hear a new catchphrase but still hear Cowabunga. They showed Razaar and I forgot the other one’s name. They showed Super Shredder. They referenced Shredder’s movie death. They switched Leo’s voice actor and handled the transition very well imo and he was still portrayed similarly. They showed the thing where Leo flies through the window from the comic and 2003 series. They even showed that Doctor android dude and the Triceraton that I mostly know from the 2003 series. It was just a really cool and well done combination of all things TMNT. I think going forward, they can’t just copy that so they sorta have to start applying new twists and gimmicks. Even the new movie overall felt like something I coulda seen in the 2012 series.
@@Axxidous I agree, I love both the 2003 and 2012 show but I do think 2012 is my favorite for mixing different things together from other iterations.
My big issue with that"ninjitsu on tv" thing is that it breaks one of the MOST important parts of the TMNT lore, one that Bay also failed at
Without Splinter being Hamato Yoshi or Yoshi's pet there is ZERO connection nor reason for the Shredder to constantly antagonize them as a Nemesis
it reduces him to just a goon, which is what they seem to be doing AGAIN!
I was also on the fence about Don's glasses, till my son who we took to see the movie who wasn't into the turtles wanted a Don toy because he had "glasses like me."
god damn, it’s good to see you’re still around, i remember your original vid on the tmnt 2012 series like 10 years ago, cool to see you’re still kicking. imma sub and stick around
PLEASEE RISE IS SO GOOD, YOU CAN TELL THE WRITERS REALLY CARE ABOUT CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT
I had showed your Rise video to my dad to get him into Rise but the stuff you said about the 2012 show has him more interested in seeing that.
Mission Failed Successfully.
@@nicenameyougotthere.5021 - Yeah. He is interested in a TMNT show. Just not the one I wanted. Tbh I actually have been trying to get him to watch the 2003 version cause it’s really up his alley with things he likes.
Don't blame him.
I understand having an issue with the romantic relationship between any of the turtles and April but I thought it worked here
Not because they actually had much chemistry (they didn’t really need to since both of them were fleshed out in their own right) but rather because it fills a crucial narrative function: it gives Leo a reason to leave the sewers and not be a narc. One of the biggest issues consistently with Leo as a character is that oftentimes his motives align pretty closely with splinter’s. And on its own that’s fine, good even, it shows that Leo is the more responsible and cautious one of the bunch. But in the service of that he more often than not ends up being kind of a buzzkill and teachers pet in a way that isn’t really that fun
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LMAO so 2014 Live Action TMNT had April as a “news reporter”
Rise was so good and I'm tired of it getting looked down so much. I am excited for this new film though, it looks like it is great.
“…But Rise is still better.”
I’d like to politely agree to disagree, but still, very good review.
I definitely agree that the ROTTMNT movie is a silver medal to others, but i personally think it was a gold (JUST. MY. OPINION). Not many films make me cry, the only ones being A dogs purpose and now this. Im the second oldest and can relate to Raph and Donnie the most while being autistic myself. Hence why donnie is my profile picture. I mean look at him, he is magnificent.
The sacrifices leo and raph made in this film truly reminded many people that if you have younger siblings or not, people and friends ARE WILLING TO MAKE SACRAFICES, because the *do* in fact care about you.
this movie was fantastic, but yeah i prefer rise's way of making april an older sister rather than a love interest
I was reading the comments on Sarcastic Chorus' video, and I was genuinely pleasantly surprised to see for once a fandom that approved of a female protag being platonic friends/having a sisterly bond with the male protags, and not wanting to jump to romance. I think we need more stories of just men and women being friends so it's nice there's a fandom that supports that. I also hear the fandom loud and clear that the turtles have never really been about exploring their romantic interests, so they could take or leave with a slight lean towards leave giving the turtles love interests at the door. Imo the TMNT franchise has a great opportunity to explore themes of prejudice in greater, more nuanced detail, and I could especially see this series taking a page from the current comics run (hehe, page) and giving the mutants their own place in New York, with the turtles acting as their defenders. To that end, I absolutely think there's room to explore what a mutant/human romantic relationship might look like and where there might be outside pressures that make making it work out difficult. If they picked a mutant that wasn't one of the turtles and gave them a human partner (bf/gf/nb/whatever), and just did series episodes that weren't as turtle focused about them being cute together and making it work, while exploring themes of interracial coupling and prejudice, while still having an in to get the turtles involved (Such as if human gets kidnapped and they need to do a heckin' rescue.), and think that'd be pretty cool to see.
Also, side tangent, but I have a weird reason for not wanting to see the turtles get romantic: Biologically, I think anthro turtles get weird and gross quick when you think about it. I know that's entirely subjective, and I can't really throw stones since I crush on characters like Sidon and Kass from Zelda, but for me, maybe it's because I've seen what a male turtles think looks like but I don't want to imagine a giant turtle physically in any stretch. Still, if they go a romance route in TMNT if the characterization is good I'd get over it.
Everyday I wake up, and miss Rise of the TMNT.
It was genuinely one of my favorite shows and it getting canned upsets me.
I heard some people who worked on it would like a season 3, so maybe sometime..
This movie made me say "is that allowed!?" multiple times, and I love it for that
Donnie has been wearing glasses or high-tech googles for almost a decade. Those Michael Bay movies have pretty much contributed to Donnie's current status as an adorkable/nerdy cliche. lol
While I do agree the whole tropue of April being ship with the turtles has been overdone but for the most part in this movie its been more of just a hormonial crush and nothing more, April even established this even in the end of the movie and thats it.
Also side note I have no problem with 1 of turtles especially in the 2012 series having romantic feelings towards April, the only major problem that I had with that was Donnie being a total simp and going out of his to hard trying to impress her.
God thank you for being one of the few content creators to not take issue with April being Black again. Totally agree with your concerns about the crush and the high school plot.
Not how she ordinarily look like. At least rise of tmnt still kept her cute as other adaptations did. They made her just ugly looking and fat
@@dreamsdeep1076 facts, guess that reporter salary can't afford a gym membership
@@dreamsdeep1076all of the characters in the film were supposed to look strange in some way, like literally every single human.
The crush was fine. I mean if people can have crushes on cartoon animals, wouldn't it just make sense that it might be the other way around for them? Also, has this person ever hung out with teenage boys? They have a crush on almost everyone, haha.
I love love LOVE murant mayhem. It looks so good and the characters are so charming. But nothing, NOTHING will ever replace rise. Rise is best. And thankfully, with the strong fandom it has recently gained, if we don't get a season 3, we'll make it ourselves.