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  • @dcauwatchtower
    @dcauwatchtower  5 ปีที่แล้ว +223

    Things left on this video's cutting room floor:
    - Kai-Ro isn't in the GL museum room, but neither are any of the other "Beyond" Leaguers, perhaps because that team was the Justice League UNLIMITED, or they have their own room we didn't see.
    - Superman also flies into space without a spacesuit in "Little Girl Lost" to stop an asteroid, a similar emergency situation.
    - 2+ years pass between "Starcrossed" and the end of JLU, and Hand of the Creator knows how much time between then and this movie--a lot can happen on Thanagar in that time.
    - The Guardians' council chambers changes its look between STAS and JL/JLU as well (do you ever change your living room around?).
    - Reddit user Rstanz has suggested an in-universe explanation for Oa's new appearance could be due to precautionary security measures put in place after Amazo so easily penetrated the planet's perimeter. Bruce Timm also explained on the movie's commentary track that it's an overlay of the GLTAS Oa and the "First Flight" Oa, design-wise.
    - Despero's soldiers in "Hearts and Minds" were using Flame of P'ytar tech, and the Flame turned out to be not-actually-evil (we think) by the end of that episode arc, which may tie into Arkkis Chummuck not actually being dead.
    - Go buy our shirts on Teespring. The link's in the description. They're good shirts. Get them and wear them.

    • @lilywong9672
      @lilywong9672 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      There's another Toomeyan Green Lantern besides Arkkis Chummuck. That was most likely Barreer Wot in the JL vs F5 movie.

    • @dcauwatchtower
      @dcauwatchtower  5 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@lilywong9672 We bring this up in the video!

    • @AdamWhereseve77
      @AdamWhereseve77 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      the first 2 mins is fucking hilarious yall niggas belong in jail .lmaoooo

    • @knightofkorbin888
      @knightofkorbin888 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Oh yeah, forgot about time. I guess he can survive in space for a little while.

    • @Power-9Hunnid
      @Power-9Hunnid 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Maybe Superman felt like he should how to use most of his powers than suppressing them after fighting Darksied.

  • @mechajay3358
    @mechajay3358 5 ปีที่แล้ว +215

    All evidence points to Yes, Fatal Five will Canon.

    • @unchallengedmediocrity7886
      @unchallengedmediocrity7886 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Fatal Five has the big Canon.

    • @andreworders7305
      @andreworders7305 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      nope, sorry. It's not.

    • @Materminds187
      @Materminds187 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@andreworders7305 Did you watch the video?

    • @kal0247
      @kal0247 ปีที่แล้ว

      It's not canon, J'onn J'onzz was the only Survivor of the attack on Mars as it was shown in the 1st episode of JL.

    • @probot6515
      @probot6515 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@kal0247 Well, you're daft then. The video literally proves it is.

  • @deciusaemilius
    @deciusaemilius 5 ปีที่แล้ว +92

    I always figured after the end of Justice League Unlimited they shut down the orbiting Watchtower and started using the Metro Tower AS the "Watchtower" which is why it was called that in Batman Beyond. It fit the clear intent to stay "closer to Earth" that the JLU seemed to be aiming for. So why does Bruce in Epilogue call it the Metro Tower? Because he's OLD. He still thinks of it by the older name, just like how people refer to the Sears Tower or the Pan Am Building even though the names have changed.

    • @lewisaino
      @lewisaino 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Yeah or simplism.

  • @JTSEntertainment
    @JTSEntertainment 5 ปีที่แล้ว +48

    Whoever the guy hosting this is, he's really handsome.

  • @scantopup2226
    @scantopup2226 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    with the whole harley quinn being a villain: villains can flip flop, penguin almost reformed, harley even almost reformed in harley's holiday

  • @cryptocrew6456
    @cryptocrew6456 5 ปีที่แล้ว +375

    the real question is green lantern the animated series will it cannon

    • @vaggelistzanos9812
      @vaggelistzanos9812 5 ปีที่แล้ว +32

      man for some reason i wand it to be

    • @isetmfriendsofire
      @isetmfriendsofire 5 ปีที่แล้ว +50

      It won't canon, but I'd love to see this episode regardless. I have a feeling it would get into a mess of alt universe stuff considering Hal did make a small appearance as a Lantern in JLU. It'd be hilarious. I always wanted this show to work, and before I ever saw it, I asked all kinds of people if there were any way to fit it in.
      Edit: Commented this before the video got into the subject of Hal. And oh my...

    • @cryptocrew6456
      @cryptocrew6456 5 ปีที่แล้ว +23

      @@isetmfriendsofire the way i see it green lantern the animated series takes place around or befor batman the animated series hall got his ring from some one else in the core and worked along side abin ser and the reason we never see him is cause he is out in space some were

    • @cryptocrew6456
      @cryptocrew6456 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @Will N in jlu they never said it was carol ferris. made she is another member of the star sapphire core

    • @tankgunner9860
      @tankgunner9860 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      This

  • @thatnamelessguy4011
    @thatnamelessguy4011 5 ปีที่แล้ว +48

    6 minutes feels like 6 hours

  • @infinityalbi9840
    @infinityalbi9840 5 ปีที่แล้ว +43

    Bruce Timm: "It's cannon..."
    Disembodied voice: "That's not good enough!"
    Me: "For me it is! I think James deserves some shut-eye..."

  • @brianmaneely
    @brianmaneely 5 ปีที่แล้ว +107

    Next on the Watchtower Database: "WILL IT ADJACENT?!"

    • @DigitalJediMaster
      @DigitalJediMaster 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Might work. They rejected my idea for "Will it QAnon?"

    • @brianmaneely
      @brianmaneely 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Inexcusable. You should fire these chumps.

    • @DigitalJediMaster
      @DigitalJediMaster 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Just wait till their contract is up.

  • @galaxystudios4089
    @galaxystudios4089 5 ปีที่แล้ว +64

    Fun Fact:Bruce Timm originally wanted to use the character designs from Justice League: Crisis on Two Earths and Justice League: Doom, but James Tucker convinced him to use the DCAU designs.

    • @unchallengedmediocrity7886
      @unchallengedmediocrity7886 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Good man.

    • @rileygallagher5484
      @rileygallagher5484 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Legend

    • @supratimchakraborty4244
      @supratimchakraborty4244 5 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      The days of Justice League crisis on infinite earths and doom designs are over (although I even still this day love JL Doom film) and that's why Young Justice also made the changes into their character designs. Now New 52-ish post JL War design is popular. Hence, switching back to JLU designs rather than any other would definitely not only be a beneficial step for the film since that's the most popular design in animation till date but also would tickle the nostalgia of the nerds like us until we all, at some point, shed a tear of joy.

    • @galaxystudios4089
      @galaxystudios4089 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@supratimchakraborty4244 The character designer of JL:Crisis on Two Earths,Doom , Young Justice and DCAMU is the same.

    • @lucapeyrefitte6899
      @lucapeyrefitte6899 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Mário Gabriel Dos Santos Correia I'm glad it happened because it was so beautiful that it also made me cry but only for a second

  • @roccoborghetti4693
    @roccoborghetti4693 5 ปีที่แล้ว +50

    I really have a hard time picking between Tim Daly and George Newbern as my favorite Superman. They’re both who I hear when I read Superman.

    • @unchallengedmediocrity7886
      @unchallengedmediocrity7886 5 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      The answer is yes.

    • @zyaicob
      @zyaicob 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@unchallengedmediocrity7886 Honestly

    • @henrybelman7424
      @henrybelman7424 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      they kinda sound the same. Though I think Tim Daly was a far better Bizzaro

    • @dnmstarsi
      @dnmstarsi 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I'm glad I'm not the only one!

  • @Power-9Hunnid
    @Power-9Hunnid 5 ปีที่แล้ว +32

    For those who don't know the TT 2003 series isn't a part of the DCAU. That doesn't mean there's not a TT team in the DCAU.

    • @unchallengedmediocrity7886
      @unchallengedmediocrity7886 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      My guess is you want to believe that Static is part of the DCAU Teen Titans?

    • @tipthelegonut4442
      @tipthelegonut4442 5 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      There was mention of TT DCAU, Batman says the static might join one day so yes there is TT

    • @acegamerultragamer1532
      @acegamerultragamer1532 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@tipthelegonut4442 That's what they said though right?

    • @zeldagameryt4018
      @zeldagameryt4018 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@tipthelegonut4442I thought it was that Batman said Static would meet them one day after he asked where was Robin

    • @irrespondible
      @irrespondible 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@unchallengedmediocrity7886 According to the fact that Static happens during the JL era or in the period between JL and JLU, it fits. And yes, Static Shock ends BEFORE JLU in universe. So, if there was a team of Titans (Not Teen Titans, just Titans), it may have had Static in it and MAYBE Gear.

  • @MateoAbadia
    @MateoAbadia 5 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    I think Superman's space suit is for him to talk since there isn't air in space, that's why he doesn't talk to Jessica when Starboy dies, he just touches her shoulder.

    • @dcauwatchtower
      @dcauwatchtower  5 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Good thought! He does make grunting/screaming sounds during the various times he's gone suit-less, though.

    • @MateoAbadia
      @MateoAbadia 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@dcauwatchtower Well, he might be able to grunt a little with Kriptonian something but not speak (?

    • @kyletowers9662
      @kyletowers9662 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Grunts and screams are involuntary while talking is voluntary so that doesn't discount that he's trying to hold his breath as much as possible

  • @isetmfriendsofire
    @isetmfriendsofire 5 ปีที่แล้ว +42

    This video was amazing. I like how you focused on the behind-the-scenes stuff as much as the actual content to determine its canon status! You then used that to find ways to justify the weird timeline stuff.
    Also your delivery and humor was top notch. Good sign for the future of this channel and it’s further improvement (not to say that lately you’ve been pumping out bad videos, because you certainly haven’t)

  • @storyrant
    @storyrant ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Theory. Hal Jordan did exist (his signature was on a plane in STAS if I'm remembering correctly, I've just finished my binge of the entire DCAU so it's all running together), but his adventures only took place off-world in this universe. This would explain why John Stewart doesn't have much of a relationship with Sinestro.

    • @dcauwatchtower
      @dcauwatchtower  ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I’d recommend our “Vanishing Point” episode on Hal Jordan! We kind of agree. But as for Sinestro, if you’ve seen the “Static Shock” episode “Fallen Hero,” you know they do indeed have a relationship!

  • @NovastarDoughnut
    @NovastarDoughnut 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    haha. I got that "Martian Manhunter eating Oreos in Nebraska" joke... because oreos are like cocaine to martians

  • @13KuriMaster
    @13KuriMaster 5 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    The Guy who is so in charge of the DCAU that many people refer to it WITH HIS NAME (The Timverse), says that this movie he worked on is apart of it and people question it?
    What!?

    • @VunderGuy
      @VunderGuy 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Word of God doesn't work when it's a Pantheon and you ultimately don't have the final say on matters but a third party, Warner Bros, does. It also doesn't work when your word directly contradicts what we see on the page.

    • @13KuriMaster
      @13KuriMaster 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@VunderGuy Well, dose any other member of the Pantheon contradict what he said? Or Warner Bros for that matter?
      If it wasn't true, then clearly it must have been contradicted by someone eventually since he said it to a live audience on stage.

  • @supratimchakraborty4244
    @supratimchakraborty4244 5 ปีที่แล้ว +46

    I honestly feel really proud as a DCAU fan for subscribing Watchtower Database. You guys work really hard to investigate all those small but important stuffs to provide us with simplified resolutions.
    IMO... DCAU should be brought back with a DCAU movie every year, (especially I do want another Justice League the Animated Series based film) and they should hire you guys to take on the mantle of DCAU.
    The film was really good; and about the changes.... changes can happen... and the future of DCAU can indeed change since John Stewart actually made a statement to Hawkgirl that he won't be destiny's puppet. It's like what if DCAU took a different turn from JLU and not ending up exactly as Batman Beyond but turning out to be somewhat different, although Terry does become Batman.
    This would, rather providing audiences with a predetermined scenario, provides both with scope and freedom for new ideas and to work on those on a grandeur scale.

  • @ManuDGraf
    @ManuDGraf 5 ปีที่แล้ว +55

    I think is part of the "GLTAS" continuity, hahaha

    • @probot6515
      @probot6515 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Wouldn't that be funny?

    • @patrickangelobalasa
      @patrickangelobalasa 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I miss GLTAS

    • @JoahTheThread5ive
      @JoahTheThread5ive 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@Mark Guerrero I am pretty sure that is in its own universe.
      They also gave his Origin story to Kyle Rayner in the DCAU.

    • @JoahTheThread5ive
      @JoahTheThread5ive 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @Mark Guerrero They each have their own Manhunter story line that are completely different from each other. .

    • @JoahTheThread5ive
      @JoahTheThread5ive 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @Will N Plus, GL:TAS is loosely based on the movie.
      (Yes, that movie)

  • @Numbuh1NerdX
    @Numbuh1NerdX 5 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    See, I just really wish this one got the same tie-in treatment that B&HQ got. Give me the prequel comic that sheds some light on Miss M's origin and how all that went down with J'onn, give me the sequel comic that clears up the Supergirl issue, find some place to tell the story of Hal and Guy (unless... will GL:tAS canon??), just...fill in those blanks. I get not doing it in the movie - it's an hour and a half story, you've gotta put the story first - but man do I want those stories told! Tie-in comics, please, and at least seventy-three more of these movies!!

  • @Demonstryke13
    @Demonstryke13 5 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    So glad I could watch this video now (just bought the movie at Walmart today).
    I actually thought of a really neat reason that Superman (spoiler alert for those who haven't seen the movie yet) could fly up and reach the sun while being unable to do so in the episode Eclipsed. In the JLU finale (spoiler alert again for those who haven't seen that, please ignore this comment if that's the case) he seemed to be in a much greater power level than ever in his battle with Darkseid. He stated that he often felt like he would crush a world that felt like cardboard, but maybe that fight with Darkseid (So hope I didn't ruin it for anyone, sorry if I did) was a kind of liberation. Maybe at this point he had much greater confidence and control, not to mention everything else he'd gone through in JLU as a whole (totally avoiding any other spoiler moments, you get the general idea I assume). Simply put, his character grew in many ways after JLU was done. So, maybe that's why he could fly faster.
    Just a theory, no big deal, I paused the video so I wouldn't forget to mention it in the comics. Back to the video now!!!

  • @PGBQW
    @PGBQW 5 ปีที่แล้ว +46

    We should send this to Bruce Timm to make sure he watches it.

    • @supratimchakraborty4244
      @supratimchakraborty4244 5 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      Bruce Timm.. hire Watchtower Database as your successor on your vision of the DCAU already.

  • @StunsyGND
    @StunsyGND 5 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    If James Strecker himself tells me it is, then it is.

  • @michaellabonte6390
    @michaellabonte6390 5 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Maannn, you guys have been stepping up in quality. Those fancy animations 👀 I am officially aroused

  • @michaelrhett4958
    @michaelrhett4958 4 ปีที่แล้ว +24

    James: “Fatal five is canon with evidence!”
    People who don’t think it’s canon: “Fart nuggets!”

  • @MrFedoraFilm
    @MrFedoraFilm 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    26:15 So that's the new Arkham Asylum facility that was mentioned in BB: ROTJ

    • @dcauwatchtower
      @dcauwatchtower  5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      It may not have purposely been that, but it wound up being so!

  • @gaeldiaz2132
    @gaeldiaz2132 5 ปีที่แล้ว +34

    So, can we now fit The Green Lantern Animated Series in the DCAU?

    • @mcmultigamer847
      @mcmultigamer847 5 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      I hope so! I mean it would explain where Hal and Guy were when the Imperium and his goo-guys were attacking earth, Hal and Guy were the first two GLs of earth and in GLTAS (the series finale I believe) Guy mentions earth having a new Green Lantern.
      EDIT: So I forgot there was a two part episode called "Blackest Night", y'know with those manhunter dudes. XD
      I think when John and Bats went time travelling they retconned the manhunters from Blackest Night. But that's just a theory. :D

    • @SeanWheeler100
      @SeanWheeler100 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      But the transition from 3D to 2D is such a drastic change! Oh, right, he explained redesigns. But Star Sapphire Carol Ferris was a hero in Green Lantern TAS and a villain in Justice League. Can you explain her drastic change in characterization?

    • @mcmultigamer847
      @mcmultigamer847 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@SeanWheeler100 If I remember correctly there isn't anything confirming (or denying) that the Star Sapphire we see in JL and JLU is Carol, for all we know it could be some soccer mom.

    • @ItsButterBean1020
      @ItsButterBean1020 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Hey I can buy it

    • @chrisanderson2204
      @chrisanderson2204 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The writers stated that Star Sapphire in JL/JLU is Carol Ferris

  • @lukelandis3090
    @lukelandis3090 5 ปีที่แล้ว +45

    To those who STILL think Fatal Five isn’t canon, please remember the Mystery Science Theater 3000 Mantra:
    “It’s just a show; I should really just relax”

  • @nicolaswalli4722
    @nicolaswalli4722 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I just want a comp vid of every way James says, "Not Canon!"

  • @Yungtacosss
    @Yungtacosss 5 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    If JLU ever comes back I'd love if they did either a mini series or a movie like this one about Parallax. Except they trim all the unnecessary fat like Zero Hour...
    Just focus on Jon Stewart or even Jessica Cruz having to fight to a Hal Jordan that seemingly fell from grace before the continuity of the show and just say he was active long before the formation of the Justice League in the DCAU so they can sort of say Hal was the GL of the silver age and that's why nobody remembers him.

    • @robocelot
      @robocelot 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Last year I did a script outline of a Parallax-style story where the Guardians (aware of the emergence of Parallax in other realities) omitted Hal from the GLC in the DCAU to prevent such a situation... except that they miscalculated and it emerges using Kyle as a host. John co-operates with Sinestro to help contain Parallax and is 'rewarded' by being ejected from GLC and subsequently replaced by Gardner. It was a rush to see both Hal and Guy there in the museum in JLvFF though and I still think my rough script can still be worked into the DCAU. Time will tell!

    • @Yungtacosss
      @Yungtacosss 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@robocelot that sounds fucking awesome man!

    • @aleanddragonITA
      @aleanddragonITA 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@robocelot I remember to have already seen a Kyle Parallax (somewhere) in Dc Legends if i remember correctly
      So what about a John Parallax?
      Or why not a surprise Alan Scott Parallax(?)
      It would make sense why Parallax would use Alan Scott, because he would have sensed the Guardians intention of stopping him he would have used a Latern that is not Connected to the Guardians nor is under their Surveillance (like Sinestro) to try to avoid a direct confrontation until he gained/regained enough strength to face them

    • @aleanddragonITA
      @aleanddragonITA 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Kyle Parallax
      th-cam.com/video/ZeC6Co11Qz0/w-d-xo.html

  • @Luis-Sosa
    @Luis-Sosa ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I like to think Hal and Abin knew each other making his death more impactful for Hal

    • @lewisaino
      @lewisaino 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Maybe Abin trained him

  • @gaberthetater0149
    @gaberthetater0149 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    “Shining Knight is at the psychiatrist” *flashbacks to How Many Justice Leaguers* oof

  • @thestarwarsguy1821
    @thestarwarsguy1821 5 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    You know what this show needs? An actual Cannon. To fire things from.

  • @cbrock5529
    @cbrock5529 5 ปีที่แล้ว +26

    if miss martian was an imperium, wouldn’t she die in sunlight?

    • @prinzessinugk1279
      @prinzessinugk1279 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Cadmus clone?

    • @prophetofrage3099
      @prophetofrage3099 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      ... also, if the "young justice" version of miss martian is a white martian then why is it that when she gave the boy that would become beast boy a blood transfusion his skin turned green?

    • @cbrock5529
      @cbrock5529 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Clinton Fraser well she says she shifts on a molecular level, which is how she was able to give him a transfusion, so maybe since she was green at the time she was a green martian on a molecular level (besides blood type) which turned him green.
      that’s all i can think of besides “that’s just what the writers want”.

  • @isabelr3467
    @isabelr3467 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    The real question is do all these Green Lantern Corps shenanigans mean that GLTAS is now on the table for canon?

  • @unchallengedmediocrity7886
    @unchallengedmediocrity7886 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    If only Mattie could analyze how Ben 10 fits into the DCAU!

    • @unchallengedmediocrity7886
      @unchallengedmediocrity7886 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      I've been watching it on Google Play. It has every show in HD. I've seen every series except the reboot, since it's apparently bad.

    • @unchallengedmediocrity7886
      @unchallengedmediocrity7886 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @Non-Ugandan Knuckles Neat.

    • @thevenom2731
      @thevenom2731 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@unchallengedmediocrity7886 I don't think the reboot is bad. It's different but different doesn't always mean bad. I suggest watching and forming your own opinion.

  • @connorbeith3232
    @connorbeith3232 5 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Many people don’t worry about cannon.
    But not us.

  • @robertbarnes1828
    @robertbarnes1828 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    You should do a "Batman: The Killing Joke" will it canon video. Similar visual design as the DCAU, three voice actors reprising their roles from the DCAU, Bruce Timm involvement, and the whole Bruce/Barbara relationship. I mean that last point alone would drive DCAU fans nuts.

  • @chez2885
    @chez2885 5 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Good show. In my humble opinion, we as fans should stop worrying about if its cannon or not but just enjoy the well written story for what it is and be thankful our childhood heroes are still being brought to us to share with our kids and the younger generation.

    • @lewisaino
      @lewisaino 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I mean that is why we love DC , because the Characters have marked
      our lives more than the order of the Green Lantern.

  • @ohitsthatguy8079
    @ohitsthatguy8079 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Is it weird that I want a prequel movie about Dick’s time as Robin while it flashes back and forth between the past and his present as Nightwing and end with him meeting the League and denying membership because he needs to be his own man. But leaving it open to him joining later.

  • @amccomics7560
    @amccomics7560 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Thorough video, as always, guys! At 28:00, I always took GL's "time shift" explanation to mean that Hal had once been in possession of John Stewart's ring, presumably in the past. For instance, we also know he had to exist by the time of STAS, due to the appearance of his plane in "In Brightest Day." Most likely, Hal existed sometime in the earlier 20th century and the Legion just had the statue to commemorate all of the Earth-born Green Lanterns.

  • @exchanegedtag
    @exchanegedtag 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Watching this felt like only 5-10 Minutes has passed... yet some how I obsorbes the secrets to the multiverse!

  • @bradenhogan2
    @bradenhogan2 5 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    34 min and 43 sec of the best TH-cam has to offer 😌

  • @gl0087
    @gl0087 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    You brought up the episode of Superman when Kyle Rayner became Green Lantern, that same episode showed that he'll Jordan exists in that universe. There was a scene that took place in an airfield and there was a close up of the side of one of the planes that said Colonel Hal Jordan. So I figure along with Jessica getting her ring Hal and Guy also got their rings after the show went off the air.

    • @zyaicob
      @zyaicob 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Hal exists. The Once and Future Thing happened so I'm saying Hal exists.

    • @gl0087
      @gl0087 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@zyaicob well they've shown that he exists, he just got the ring at a different time

  • @ulicespedraza
    @ulicespedraza 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I just remembered that Lex Luthor is dead now and I’m sad.

    • @mcmultigamer847
      @mcmultigamer847 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      As Bruce Timm said we can't truly consider a character dead unless we see a body, so Luthor may be out there... somewhere...

    • @ulicespedraza
      @ulicespedraza 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      DC MEDIA NEWSWIRE yeah but he’s practically dead if he ain’t moving.

  • @Elvisbackpack
    @Elvisbackpack 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    My personal headcanon is that Miss Martian is one of J'onn's daughters who actually survived and was discovered later.

  • @OurKindofEntertainment
    @OurKindofEntertainment 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I just wanted to say that I appreciate how much you all put into these videos! GREAT JOB!

    • @dcauwatchtower
      @dcauwatchtower  5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thank you!

    • @OurKindofEntertainment
      @OurKindofEntertainment 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      No problem! I do reviews on my channel and for The Haves and the Have Nots I gotta know my stuff from episode 1 to where the show is now over 150+ episodes later in Season 6! Really cool to see channels doing indepth analysis on shows I grew up on! I know you'll hit 100k subscribers soon enough because more and more people will find your videos :D

  • @goldreaper4209
    @goldreaper4209 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Any potential future videos on Justice League Gods and Monsters?

  • @crazyguyinmak77
    @crazyguyinmak77 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Old Bruce could have just been doing that thing my parents do. Referring to buildings as what they remember them being called for a long time. It could have previously been the metro tower and Bruce just instinctively calls it such, despite a name change.

    • @lewisaino
      @lewisaino 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yeah, we tend to refer to the Og name if the new one is stupid.

    • @foldabotZ
      @foldabotZ 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      In my home of Quezon City, is a section of Quezon Avenue called "Delta" because of the old Delta theatre/Dela Marced building. It was demolished just recently and a new building will take place(don't know when yet), but I imagine a lot of people including my generation and my father's, will still be calling it Delta.

  • @LibraGamesUnlimited
    @LibraGamesUnlimited 5 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    We so need to see the Rann/Thangar war in a movie.

    • @devinkavanaugh1034
      @devinkavanaugh1034 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      That would give me such a geek boner. It must be done

    • @LibraGamesUnlimited
      @LibraGamesUnlimited 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @Awohali Uhyoha Ashamed to admit I had to google that reference. I forgot all about that. :)

  • @kevins0326
    @kevins0326 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Excellent video. I feel like people have been waiting for this since even before Justice League vs Fatal Five was even out.

  • @randomericthings7506
    @randomericthings7506 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    My theory about Hal Jordan is that at some point he was a Green Lantern, but ultimately retired sometime before Batman the Animated Series or Superman the Animated Series Volume 1.

  • @atreestump
    @atreestump 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I always liked to think Superman said he couldn't fly that fast so nobody would expect him too. I get he's OP and all, but going that fast has to be exhausting, and I don't know anyone who'd put forth more effort than they have to.

  • @rgnldchrdetc.6011
    @rgnldchrdetc.6011 5 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Why do you say; The Creeper, Jack Ryder???

  • @ThePuff18
    @ThePuff18 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Ok personal canon:
    Before every interview, the writers flip a coin to decide whether or not the subject is canonical to the DCAU.
    This way, they can watch the chaos unfold, and enjoy seeing the internet nerds go through the same pain the writers do EVERY FUCKING TIME YOU ASK THIS SHIT.

  • @mythosinfinite6736
    @mythosinfinite6736 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I always figured Ms Martian was the child of Manhunter and the wife he settled down with in China.

  • @barryscott9590
    @barryscott9590 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Love key they're gonna say that Barry and Jay existed before Wally and that he was actually on the Teen Titans in the next film.

    • @barryscott9590
      @barryscott9590 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @Will N I'm aware he was alluded to. They also Alluded to Heal Jordan the same way. If anything, making that cannon kinda makes this cannon.

  • @clockstomper
    @clockstomper 5 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    As a physical media guy, I'm still waiting on my copy to ship. But I love this channel so much I'll risk the spoilers to watch it.

  • @XxKevinJxX
    @XxKevinJxX 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Kilowog just let himself go

  • @BATTY3459
    @BATTY3459 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    My theory is the Kilowog in the movie is actually from the GL TAS universe and the DCAU Kilowog has since died, along with DCAU Jonathan Kent apparently. So GLTAS Kilowog came over to DCAU Earth to replace DCAU Kilowog

  • @markmolino6091
    @markmolino6091 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Hope after you did this video James that you got some sleep ,Cuz we can't live without you guys content.

  • @AWW8472
    @AWW8472 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Kilowog is still Kilowog. Just squint when he's on screen. It's fine. I didn't even notice the difference.

  • @dusanstojsin4938
    @dusanstojsin4938 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This video had pretty much all the Watchtower Database running gags.

  • @Mudkip971
    @Mudkip971 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Things to note:
    -For Miss Martian maybe she's J'onn's daughter he had with his human wife or a clone?
    -It would be hard for the Fatal Five to be from before Far From Home because it seems like the Eye of Ekron was destroyed and the Empress was leaving it behind. (also they may be all dead)
    -Also if it takes place after than the scene where it shows all the Legion of Superheores would have had her as a statue...probably.

    • @dcauwatchtower
      @dcauwatchtower  5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      We don’t see maybe half the LoSH statues in that room. We’ll likely be doing a whole video on Miss Martian though!

    • @Mudkip971
      @Mudkip971 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@dcauwatchtower Personally I think it could be a daughter who grows up fast tank to Martian genes
      or
      A hybrid clone between Martian and Human because J'onn wanted children. And then had her aged up (Like how Galatea had her be aged up)

  • @comixproviderftw_02
    @comixproviderftw_02 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    In the words of CM Punk when he did a brief period of working with Marvel on Drax;
    "I think its pretty obvious that all writers out there don't really give a shit about continuity."

  • @isetmfriendsofire
    @isetmfriendsofire 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The way I see it, writers saying their word isn’t official and Brice Timm dancing around canonicity and just to avoid getting in trouble with WB

    • @isetmfriendsofire
      @isetmfriendsofire 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@mattiesavannahpahl9934 Ahhhhhh, so they're essentially not confirming its canon in fear of overlooking contradictions and getting called out lmao

  • @driveasandwich6734
    @driveasandwich6734 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    When I heard that "adJacenT odd" joke I instictively threw my popcorn forward

  • @Fargoth_Ur
    @Fargoth_Ur 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Plot twist: Arkkis Chummuck got blasted into the alternate timeline Hal and Guy are from, and through dimension-hopping shenanigans, they brought him back to the DCAU, but both ended up either permanently stuck there, or stayed around long enough to become honorary members of the League.

  • @tfGalvatron1
    @tfGalvatron1 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    This whole channel is so niche yet fantastic quality. I don't understand it honestly. How can you keep making such great content from such a narrow subject matter?!?

    • @dcauwatchtower
      @dcauwatchtower  5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      nothing up my sleeve...

    • @zyaicob
      @zyaicob 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      The niche narrow subject matter is the best part

  • @kyletowers9662
    @kyletowers9662 5 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I wish that the animators would have had Two-face at the funeral. He could have been escorted there in hand-cuffs by Batman and it would be so easily explained. 😢

  • @patrickangelobalasa
    @patrickangelobalasa 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    That Blink 182 reference tho

  • @Garrettsamuel98
    @Garrettsamuel98 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Kilowags outfit actually changed in Justice League Unlimited from his justice league outfit as well ;)

  • @Comic3247
    @Comic3247 5 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Showed up just in time

  • @themattylee
    @themattylee 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Just discovered your channel, and this video is giving me flashbacks of when I was working on the Star Wars ttrpg and we'd constantly get emails asking "what level of canon" something from our books was and I was like, "I don't decide that. You all decide that. Leave me out of it."

  • @BovineDesigns
    @BovineDesigns 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    God has spoken.

  • @battleupsaber462
    @battleupsaber462 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I guess I was the only one rooting for the Teen Titans video to come out first -.-

  • @hunteremison524
    @hunteremison524 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hal Jordan was directly referenced in brightest day from STAS

    • @dcauwatchtower
      @dcauwatchtower  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Correct. But not necessarily as a Green Lantern. We’ve done a whole video on how Hal Jordan might work in DCAU continuity!

  • @Kyle_Noronha
    @Kyle_Noronha ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Post JLU content rewatch continues. JLVTFF is incredible.

  • @KidFlash87
    @KidFlash87 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Anyone else ever notice that the metro tower look like the hall of justice

  • @ShinySephiroth1
    @ShinySephiroth1 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    16:25 Another that combines what you said is that Supergirl was working behind the scenes because they don't want to have to mind-wipe Clark every time, so she didn't get involved in the time travel shenanigans because Clark shouldn't know his cousin is in the future.

  • @1mccaffery879
    @1mccaffery879 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    A thing about the GL central power battery, it seems that they used the same model from Green Lantern: first flight which Bruce Timm produced. This doesn't really change anything just thought that was interesting.

    • @dcauwatchtower
      @dcauwatchtower  5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yep! Oa is also an overlay of the “First Flight” and GLTAS Oas.

  • @theoneandonly7063
    @theoneandonly7063 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    We could say superman can survive in space now because his gotten better/stronger at using his powers and that he isn't human

    • @alexsapsarras4812
      @alexsapsarras4812 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      We couldnt not say that. He probably just can hold his breath with his super-lungs , for a while(not as limited as humans but limited still) BUT that doesnt mean he wont wear a spacesuit if he has one available and at the ready.

    • @theoneandonly7063
      @theoneandonly7063 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@alexsapsarras4812 no body can hold ur breathe in space because its close to a vacuum the air gets ripped out ur lungs

  • @arjansingh8059
    @arjansingh8059 5 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Hell yeah about time!!

  • @michaelrhett4958
    @michaelrhett4958 5 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    But WILL we get that Titans will it canon episode?

    • @unchallengedmediocrity7886
      @unchallengedmediocrity7886 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      It's not really necessary, since it's pretty clear that the show has no ties to the DCAU. Also, they've talked about why it isn't canon in the past.

    • @ilitardo160
      @ilitardo160 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      It’s pretty obvious that it isn’t bud

  • @skeaneable
    @skeaneable 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    anybody remembers the new guys from JLU Miss Martian and Jessica Cruz?

  • @rorylumley4727
    @rorylumley4727 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    the legion of superheroes is 1,000 years from now whenever now is.

  • @yashmakesstuff
    @yashmakesstuff 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I love the editing!!

  • @AETorrePuerto
    @AETorrePuerto 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great article. There are some things that are harder to fit than the few Green Lanlantern and Legion differences. Zatanna, the Penguin, Zeta, Hardcastle and old Static are more problematic.

  • @Vilivagod2
    @Vilivagod2 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    My headcanon for Kilowog is that his old look was him as a teenager, and his species just ages different, maybe with their mouth things changing and their body under the chest gets bulkier.

  • @unchallengedmediocrity7886
    @unchallengedmediocrity7886 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I love how Superman in "Hereafter" looks strikingly similar to rugged Jack in Season 5 of Samurai Jack. #Lamaar4life

  • @fatenabu1
    @fatenabu1 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Was thinking about that yellow batsuit.. who says it is Bruce's Could it be a Batgirl Beyond outfit ?

  • @matthewbaugh5560
    @matthewbaugh5560 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Despite the different animation style, and no connection to Bruce Timm, I've often thought the Green Lantern animated series could easily be reconciled with the DCAU.

    • @cracktoon_powerscaling
      @cracktoon_powerscaling 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It is an awesome show but the continuity doesn't really match up

  • @Early666
    @Early666 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    32:56
    "That Damn Yellow Bat-Suit!" Hahahaha!

  • @ghostgabe81
    @ghostgabe81 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Wonder Woman doesn't use a sword in the DCAU! *n O t C a N o N*

    • @chrisanderson2204
      @chrisanderson2204 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      In the episode of JLU"The balance" , you see a sword and shield on her room wall

  • @bdr113080
    @bdr113080 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Been wanting to watch this video since you guys put it up but I wanted to watch the movie first. Just got done watching it, loved it!

  • @oldkingcole4354
    @oldkingcole4354 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Another thing about Kyle he changes his costume constantly because he’s an artist and has a creative mind as explained in the green lantern comics when he was becoming a white Lantern

  • @simonf9160
    @simonf9160 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The Jl and JLU themes were both played in the movie as well 😁

    • @dcauwatchtower
      @dcauwatchtower  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yep! Check out our Easter Eggs video!

  • @firmanchristiansianturi4794
    @firmanchristiansianturi4794 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Bruce Timm explains a lot. It explains why Superman is sidelined when The Legion is HIS team.

  • @sustelsuk
    @sustelsuk 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Kilowog look different and I thought the fatal five movie was part of the green lantern series at the time, which explained Hal and Guy being in dcau

  • @strifeconquest9067
    @strifeconquest9067 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    That “correct”and pause plus the stare off into the distance 😂😂😂😂