The human body is an OPEN, NON- equilibrium DISSIPATIVE thermodynamic system. Thin people often produce substantial amount of lost energy in the form of HEAT DISSIPATION. They also produce a lot of heat to warm their cores. Thin people also have radically different gut microflora strains than many obese people- who often have unfortunate gut microbiota. Gut flora is CRUCIAL in the regualtion of body weight and health in general.
Stephen Phinney has shown that overexercising more than about an hour can actually DECREASE your metabolism, NOT increase it. It DECREASES it. This makes perfect sense and fits in with everything science has discovered thus far. Exercise does not even burn that many calories compared to your body keeping you alive. This is true even in Marathons. People overestimate it. Professional Kenyans are naturally thin and slight. There are plenty of fat or overweight amateur marathoners.
The genetic component of obesity is almost EQUAL TO HEIGHT. International samples of hundreds of monozygotic twins reared apart were systematically compared by scientiosts. What did they find? They found that DESPITE living very different lifestyles and in very different environements the they looked the SAME as their other twin for body weight. This provisdes POWERFUL EVIDENCE THAT GENES are the dominant factor in body weight.
The studies show increased physical activity NOT to be an effective morbid obesity treatment. It’s for health, not fat loss. In fact, it’s a wretched failure for weight loss. Fat cells in HOARD MODE are not cooperating. With obesity, fat cell’s become disregulated via their receptors - a disease state. Please look into Urgelt’ obesity video . Too little is known to science about fat cell regulation and the chemical behavior of fat cell receptors. The caloric hypothesis is dead.
There are MANY, MANY very hard working dedicated walkers and exercisers I see who are either obese or significantly overweight. Many obese poeple exercise and are NOT lazy at all. And the result? A few are fatter than ever. It is such a shame. All that effort for nothing ( weight loss wise) - At least they are improving their health though. They are VICTIMS of bad information and bad science and deeply held false beliefs.
To lady with ischial bursitis (hope you're reading comments): the solution is to get a home use ultrasound unit. Use it once/twice a day, for only five minutes. Any longer than that, it it can worsen the condition. That's what has worked for me. IB can be extremely painful and life altering - so I speak from empathy. There's also a rubber band technique that a good physical therapist can show you- works the hip flexors and piriformis. Strengthening this area diminishes irritation of bursa.
"if you put a child, a rabbit and a peach tree in the same room. what will the child eat.. the peaches of course..." A child would probably die of starvation because he'd unable to reach the peaches or catch and eat the rabbit. Using what a child would do isn't wise. If you put a peach and candies in front of a child, the child will most likely eat the candies first. Your way of thinking would lead to a conclusion that human's nature is to eat predominantly candies.
if you put a child, a rabbit and a peach tree in the same room. what will the child eat.. the peaches of course... if you put a hyena a rabbit and a peach what will the hyena eat? rabbit then peach are paleo primal diet goers, speciest? or do they eat human flesh aswell. because i'm sure a authentic true paleo primal man would definitely eat human flesh, dogs, rats, cats, insects, spiders, elephants, cockroaches, bore, bears, skunks, squirrels, pidgeon TH-cam: THE LEADING CAUSES OF DEATH.
Dieting PHYSIOLOGICALLY DOOMS us to failure long term. Weight regain is NOT about willpower, it is about BIOLOGY. This is extremely well established by thorough research. Scientists see regain ( over the long term) EVEN when people dilligently stick to their diets and exercise regimes. The First Law does NOT assign OR imply ANY blame or bad behavior WHATSOEVER.
While fundamentally your point is true, the diet being widely told by Mark, Robb, etc. as paleo/primal/10,000ya is not widely accepted (from an evolutionary perspective) as being that close to the way our ancestors actually ate. That might be part of what he was saying, but I'm certainly not defending him and don't agree with him necessarily.
Water weight, muscle weight , fat weight. Persons on low calorie diets have been known to lose SUBSTANTIAL amounts of muscle with the some fat. It’s how you LOOK NOT how much the scale says. It is how what the body fat measurement says. Total weight is meaningless.
I have spoken to about 30 scientists since 2009 with specialties in biophysics, physics, genetics and non- equilibrium thermodynamics. My info discredits the popular attackers of Gary Taubes. ALL the physicists UNANIMOUSLY AGREE with his assessment- even if some were agreeing indirectly.
mostly because a lot of our modern day agricultural techniques involve taking out the natural vitamins and nutrients of soil, therefore making our vegetables and fruits grown in that soil less enriched with all that good stuff! :)
According to a long clinical experience of Krispin Sullivan, a clinical nutritionist, there are enough people who consume too little protein. According to her guidelines, most people do, as I've observed. See krispin . com/protein_basics.htm
Did you ever consider maybe they genuinely care about your health? If you had a kid that was constantly eating lead paint chips despite you telling him it wasn't good for him, wouldn't you eventually start to insist a little more aggressively?
Obesity is NOT a simple condition of eating too much , CarbSane. I do not see WHY you cannot grasp this when top experts like Dr. Linda Bacon, Dr Jeffery Friedman, Dr. Fred Turek, Dr. Gordon all ADMIT this. The reasons behind weight gain are VERY complex.
Dr. Rudolph Liebel and Dr. Michael Rosenbaum have ALL noted that their extremely thorough research which they have run back and forth 6 times in their own words demonstrates that “with regard to body weight, your body has a mind completely of its own.”
The problem is exercise ‘s success rate is WRETCHED. And my own observastions of numerous overweight neighbors CONFIRMS what the studies demonstrate consistently. Ah, the MYTH of exercise for fat loss. Linda Bacon has MUCH to say on this.
Yeah, I can see the vegan agenda and I can see what you mean about vegan certitude when it comes to science. But, it seems that the paleo camp are not just cautions about science but often seem to ignore it completely.
Have you ever heard someone talk so much and never really give any definitive objective answers on anything! These guys dont really understand much read their diet its so contradictory! Heart attack waiting to happen!
Bruce Lee ate raw meat shakes, he would mix all types of fruit, raw meat, veggies, protein shake, etc… in a blender and drink it straight up! Bruce Lee was not a vegetarian, you will find this information in his biography!
Oh I SO wish that was true. I've never missed anything more than I miss eating grains and legumes. Two years as a vegan and I never missed meat the way I miss grains and beans. I think you need a better theory.
It's true that these doctor's wrote books about vegan diets, but they don't talk about the long term damage to your central nervous system caused by eating nothing but fruit for ten years.
I think both sides have a profit motive, and since you can make a profit with any dietary idea, I don't see why the profit motive, in and of itself, would cause either side to write deliberately in favor of a dietary model that they know is not supported by the science. However, when it comes to ethical and emotional concerns - those can sway people to advocate a mode of living that might not have much scientific support, and it is obvious that most vocal vegans have a moral agenda.
See you're doing what he said right now. What's the point of calling him names now? Do you feel so unsecure about your diet that you feel the need to do that? Please... We don't really mind that you live vegan and I believe most of us would agree that a vegan diet is healthier than any standard western diet ever. So please stop that, if you disagree either provide proof or kindly leave.
You are making stuff up some historical figues and their lifespan: Pythagoras-570 - d. about 495 BC Philolaus-c. 470 - c. 385 BCE Thales-c. 624 BC - c. 546 BC Xenophanes- c.570 - c.475 BC Archytas-428-347 BC Democritus-ca. 460 - ca. 370 BC Gorgias- c. 485 - c. 380 BC Socrates-c. 469 BC - 399 BC Pyrrho- c. 360 BC - c. 270 BC Cleanthes- 330 BC - c. 230 BC Voltaire-21 November 1694 - 30 May 1778 Michelangelo-6 March 1475 - 18 February 1564
Because humans from the Paleolithic Era didn't have processed foods, refrigeration, additives, fads, diets, junk food or ads full of bad advice shoved in their faces.
It is presumptuous of you to think that I am not familiar with the men you mentioned. I have read their works and that is why I find the certitude of vegans unjustified.
I cannot understand why you Americans actually pay to listen to people like David Wolfe and markus rothkranz waffle on about mushrooms coming from outer space along with all sorts of bizarre nonsense. His behaviour and presentations on life / foods and the universe would perhaps not be tolerated here in UK as people would probably laugh at them.
Processed food is the number one cause of the obesity epidemic today. The problem can be solved only by governments getting tough with the food industry, stopping all added sugar and salt would be the first recommendation. Supporting farmers who provide fruit and vegetables should be the second place to go. We also need an entrepreneur to open the first mega store to sell no processed foods at all, and fill the store with the following - the store should sell at least 80% healthy natural foods like fruit, veg, nuts and seeds along with salads, and approx 20% should provide poultry, fish, eggs etc.
Dun get it - with the whole "may contain" supplement thing. Just cause our ancestors got various minerals and vitamins on occasion at random, doesn't mean it is best for us. I believe in consistency of diet for consistency of performance. I want to eat, so I can train consistently. Plus, what's with all the supplements? Our ancestors didn't have whey protein did they?
I went from 260 to 200 pounds and 10% body fat after going paleo. My workout routine is the same, my sleep is the same the ONLY thing that changed was removing CARBS. Thank you Robb!!!!
There is no way our ancestors were filling their stomach and blood stream at breakfast, dinner, and evening, along with snacks and primal protein powders / supplements on a daily basis. No human at any time in history was or is designed to take in constant amounts of protein saturated fat and large amounts of cholesterol on a daily basis, this is not sustainable long term nor advisable for health In the long run. Non of these guys on a 70% fat 30% protein paleo diet ever show there blood tests to show that long term high greasy fat along with animal meat several times per day is not having any adverse effect.
Just what is it that you believe they thrived on? Just berries and vegetables? Clearly you are more qualified in ancestral biochemistry than Robb Wolf so please educate us.
***** I would have less of an issue and more respect for the paleo advocates if their information were more accurate, but it is not. Our ancestors would have eaten wild freshly caught meat which means a far healthier leaner meat such as up to 5 - 7 times less fat and with no added hormones, salt, additives or preservatives and they would not have eaten meat from a local store with a use by or sell by date on it !!! it would have been caught in it's natural environment which is completely different to the animals we eat today. Our ancestors did not eat breakfast / dinner and evening meals of meat, fats, veggies and a little fruit year round, our ancestors would have maybe eaten once daily and occasionally twice along with days when they were hungry. They were also more active, gathering fuel, food and medicinal plants daily but with no guarantee of success. Mankind today and at anytime in history is not designed to eat both meat and fat constantly throughout the day along with supplements. if you want to be a real strong dude both mentally and physically like our ancestors then you should live and eat just like them !!. Our ancestors did not get their weekly groceries from the local store, no way, their lifestyles were totally different in many ways. Stop looking for the elixir of life through a magic diet cause it ain't happening . Be wise and eat clean ... eat foods that require little digestion and are light and colourful and full of fibre. Remember this .. the foods that appear weak make you strong, and the foods that appear strong will make you ultimately weak " this will always be the case. A mans greatest weapon against any enemy in any attack of any size is ultimately the condition of his cardiovascular system. best wishes
Andrew Easson Never have I heard in the paleo circles (I'm not as plugged in as I used to be) preference to grocery food over wild food. Of course to make the thing more palatable (no pun intended) to the masses they have to talk about grocery store food options. Besides, grocery stores are a reality of our society today, in some ways very sad but true. If you eat 0% of your diet from a grocery store, then I put my next two paychecks on it that you at least have a garden that feeds you (if so massive props its an impressive feat). My point is while I agree that the absolute healthiest lifestyle is to hunt, gather and prepare all of our own food. Just read an article about Steven Rinella and he is probably about as close to anyone else to what you are describing in first world countries (not sure really where he's staying these days but I suppose its in US somewhere). I'll also point out he's had a couple nasty run ins with things like trichinosis. I still fully support the notion that we'd have a healthier and overall better society if far more of us hunted for our own food. Just pointing out both have their ups and downs. Neither is devoid of any potential risks to health.
My personal experience with Ketogenic diet was a detoxing reaction by way of increase bile release (dark green with most every BM) and parasite removal. My theory is that the bile creates an alkaline environment those little critters don't like much and after all that increased fat metabolism, well..... I do daily coffee enemas as a post chemo regimen anyway, to clean up my liver and toxin elimination. After hearing some people complain of reactions to keto conversion, even flu like symptoms, I thought the coffee enemas might help them too. I am convinced they can greatly help most people and help solve a HOST of problems. Effective elimination may be the head coach of the whole nutrient team, and maybe the most neglected in discussions!!
As seen in this Q & A, Robb Wolf and Mark Sisson approach scientific findings with caution, acknowledging that much of what science has to offer, especially in the realm of nutrition, is tentative. When you hear vegan proponents, they speak with such certitude, as if the science promoting their view is infallible. From their approaches to science alone, you can tell which camp is more motivated by proper science, and which is motivated by dogma and a political/social agenda.
In assessing diet, it is like training for a sport: your genetics will give you certain predilections (such as carb sensitivity, ability to absorb certain nutrients, etc.) which can be quite variable, and how that meshes with your environment and stressors varies from individual to individual. You have to use trial and error (empirical feedback) and evaluate (preferably with some objective feedback like athletic performance measures) and determine FOR YOURSELF which diet option works best for you. I think that, for instance, both vegan and paleo proponents can make very good cases for each, but having tried veganism for years (and suffering severely from carb-related issues), my current modified paleo serves best all of my long-term requirements. But self-education will continue. Just because I think that running and rock climbing are the best sports in the world FOR ME, I in no way look down on friends who passionately pursue their own sports, and admire them when they succeed. Same with dietary paths. I have a running friend who is adamantly vegan, and I think he does well with it. Some day he may actually match the times of this old carnivore!
The difference between the cognitive abilities of these guys versus the vegans I've been seeing on the other channels is astounding. These guys can actually critically think and express themselves in a healthy manner, making actual reasonable claims.
These guys are great, nice unbiased, and thoughtful responses. Especially when the last guy mentioned the soccer players on the higher carb diets getting hard attacks. Robb took other variables until account and didn't immediately jump on the "it must be high carb" wagon, despite being a generally low carb advocate. I doubt you'd ever see the 811ers with that same approach.
***** Yes, dogma aside, you must eat fruits and veggies or you die. Me? I am 100% fruits and veggies. In light of this, it is easy to see what is natural and healthy, no?
***** That is rare, for a paleo to look past their ominous dogma and brainwashing. But why do others need to rape and torture animals and eat diseased rotting corpse? Does he say? Do you know?
FathomlessJoy I think you are hanging out in the wrong company. There are lots of people with your beliefs that you should go hang out with. Or are you one of those types that wants to force your own beliefs onto everyone else? If your next response is erratic and full of loaded statements I'm going to spare my limited life capacity for more valuable interactions. Of course my life will be very limited because I eat tons of eggs and butter and whole cream and dreaded bacon every day.
A broscientist conference
+Clyde Rembrandt Yup, it is like Dumb and Dumber cancelled so Tweedle dee and Tweedle dum filled in.
These two remind me of idiot day at the stupid fair.
The human body is an OPEN, NON- equilibrium DISSIPATIVE thermodynamic system. Thin people often produce substantial amount of lost energy in the form of HEAT DISSIPATION. They also produce a lot of heat to warm their cores. Thin people also have radically different gut microflora strains than many obese people- who often have unfortunate gut microbiota.
Gut flora is CRUCIAL in the regualtion of body weight and health in general.
Stephen Phinney has shown that overexercising more than about an hour can actually DECREASE your metabolism, NOT increase it. It DECREASES it. This makes perfect sense and fits in with everything science has discovered thus far.
Exercise does not even burn that many calories compared to your body keeping you alive. This is true even in Marathons. People overestimate it. Professional Kenyans are naturally thin and slight. There are plenty of fat or overweight amateur marathoners.
The genetic component of obesity is almost EQUAL TO HEIGHT. International samples of hundreds of monozygotic twins reared apart were systematically compared by scientiosts. What did they find? They found that DESPITE living very different lifestyles and in very different environements the they looked the SAME as their other twin for body weight. This provisdes POWERFUL EVIDENCE THAT GENES are the dominant factor in body weight.
The studies show increased physical activity NOT to be an effective morbid obesity treatment. It’s for health, not fat loss.
In fact, it’s a wretched failure for weight loss. Fat cells in HOARD MODE are not cooperating. With obesity, fat cell’s become disregulated via their receptors - a disease state.
Please look into Urgelt’ obesity video .
Too little is known to science about fat cell regulation and the chemical behavior of fat cell receptors. The caloric hypothesis is dead.
There are MANY, MANY very hard working dedicated walkers and exercisers I see who are either obese or significantly overweight. Many obese poeple exercise and are NOT lazy at all. And the result? A few are fatter than ever. It is such a shame. All that effort for nothing ( weight loss wise) - At least they are improving their health though. They are VICTIMS of bad information and bad science and deeply held false beliefs.
To lady with ischial bursitis (hope you're reading comments): the solution is to get a home use ultrasound unit. Use it once/twice a day, for only five minutes. Any longer than that, it it can worsen the condition. That's what has worked for me. IB can be extremely painful and life altering - so I speak from empathy. There's also a rubber band technique that a good physical therapist can show you- works the hip flexors and piriformis. Strengthening this area diminishes irritation of bursa.
"if you put a child, a rabbit and a peach tree in the same room. what will the child eat.. the peaches of course..."
A child would probably die of starvation because he'd unable to reach the peaches or catch and eat the rabbit.
Using what a child would do isn't wise. If you put a peach and candies in front of a child, the child will most likely eat the candies first. Your way of thinking would lead to a conclusion that human's nature is to eat predominantly candies.
if you put a child, a rabbit and a peach tree in the same room. what will the child eat.. the peaches of course...
if you put a hyena a rabbit and a peach what will the hyena eat? rabbit then peach
are paleo primal diet goers, speciest? or do they eat human flesh aswell. because i'm sure a authentic true paleo primal man would definitely eat human flesh, dogs, rats, cats, insects, spiders, elephants, cockroaches, bore, bears, skunks, squirrels, pidgeon
TH-cam: THE LEADING CAUSES OF DEATH.
Dieting PHYSIOLOGICALLY DOOMS us to failure long term. Weight regain is NOT about willpower, it is about BIOLOGY. This is extremely well established by thorough research. Scientists see regain ( over the long term) EVEN when people dilligently stick to their diets and exercise regimes.
The First Law does NOT assign OR imply ANY blame or bad behavior WHATSOEVER.
While fundamentally your point is true, the diet being widely told by Mark, Robb, etc. as paleo/primal/10,000ya is not widely accepted (from an evolutionary perspective) as being that close to the way our ancestors actually ate. That might be part of what he was saying, but I'm certainly not defending him and don't agree with him necessarily.
Water weight, muscle weight , fat weight. Persons on low calorie diets have been known to lose SUBSTANTIAL amounts of muscle with the some fat.
It’s how you LOOK NOT how much the scale says. It is how what the body fat measurement says.
Total weight is meaningless.
I have spoken to about 30 scientists since 2009 with specialties in biophysics, physics, genetics and non- equilibrium thermodynamics. My info discredits the popular attackers of Gary Taubes. ALL the physicists UNANIMOUSLY AGREE with his assessment- even if some were agreeing indirectly.
mostly because a lot of our modern day agricultural techniques involve taking out the natural vitamins and nutrients of soil, therefore making our vegetables and fruits grown in that soil less enriched with all that good stuff! :)
According to a long clinical experience of Krispin Sullivan, a clinical nutritionist, there are enough people who consume too little protein. According to her guidelines, most people do, as I've observed. See krispin . com/protein_basics.htm
Did you ever consider maybe they genuinely care about your health? If you had a kid that was constantly eating lead paint chips despite you telling him it wasn't good for him, wouldn't you eventually start to insist a little more aggressively?
Obesity is NOT a simple condition of eating too much , CarbSane. I do not see WHY you cannot grasp this when top experts like Dr. Linda Bacon, Dr Jeffery Friedman, Dr. Fred Turek, Dr. Gordon all ADMIT this.
The reasons behind weight gain are VERY complex.
Dr. Rudolph Liebel and Dr. Michael Rosenbaum have ALL noted that their extremely thorough research which they have run back and forth 6 times in their own words demonstrates that “with regard to body weight, your body has a mind completely of its own.”
The problem is exercise ‘s success rate is WRETCHED. And my own observastions of numerous overweight neighbors CONFIRMS what the studies demonstrate consistently.
Ah, the MYTH of exercise for fat loss. Linda Bacon has MUCH to say on this.
Yeah, I can see the vegan agenda and I can see what you mean about vegan certitude when it comes to science. But, it seems that the paleo camp are not just cautions about science but often seem to ignore it completely.
Have you ever heard someone talk so much and never really give any definitive objective answers on anything! These guys dont really understand much read their diet its so contradictory! Heart attack waiting to happen!
Bruce Lee ate raw meat shakes, he would mix all types of fruit, raw meat, veggies, protein shake, etc… in a blender and drink it straight up! Bruce Lee was not a vegetarian, you will find this information in his biography!
Oh I SO wish that was true. I've never missed anything more than I miss eating grains and legumes. Two years as a vegan and I never missed meat the way I miss grains and beans. I think you need a better theory.
It's true that these doctor's wrote books about vegan diets, but they don't talk about the long term damage to your central nervous system caused by eating nothing but fruit for ten years.
I think both sides have a profit motive, and since you can make a profit with any dietary idea, I don't see why the profit motive, in and of itself, would cause either side to write deliberately in favor of a dietary model that they know is not supported by the science. However, when it comes to ethical and emotional concerns - those can sway people to advocate a mode of living that might not have much scientific support, and it is obvious that most vocal vegans have a moral agenda.
See you're doing what he said right now. What's the point of calling him names now? Do you feel so unsecure about your diet that you feel the need to do that? Please... We don't really mind that you live vegan and I believe most of us would agree that a vegan diet is healthier than any standard western diet ever. So please stop that, if you disagree either provide proof or kindly leave.
You are making stuff up some historical figues and their lifespan:
Pythagoras-570 - d. about 495 BC
Philolaus-c. 470 - c. 385 BCE
Thales-c. 624 BC - c. 546 BC
Xenophanes- c.570 - c.475 BC
Archytas-428-347 BC
Democritus-ca. 460 - ca. 370 BC
Gorgias- c. 485 - c. 380 BC
Socrates-c. 469 BC - 399 BC
Pyrrho- c. 360 BC - c. 270 BC
Cleanthes- 330 BC - c. 230 BC
Voltaire-21 November 1694 - 30 May 1778
Michelangelo-6 March 1475 - 18 February 1564
Because humans from the Paleolithic Era didn't have processed foods, refrigeration, additives, fads, diets, junk food or ads full of bad advice shoved in their faces.
So, if I dislike somebody's dietary choices (or any other personal choices), I should curse him out? I prefer another principle: live and let live.
so basically what you're saying is that every human being that lived up until 10,000 years ago was extremely at risk for a heart attack?
Albert Einstein was vegetarian only for the last year of his life. Hmmmm.... think about that... he went vegetarian and he died.
It is presumptuous of you to think that I am not familiar with the men you mentioned. I have read their works and that is why I find the certitude of vegans unjustified.
Humans from the Paleolithic Era didn't need to watch youtube videos to understand how to eat healthy, so why should I???
I cannot understand why you Americans actually pay to listen to people like David Wolfe and markus rothkranz waffle on about mushrooms coming from outer space along with all sorts of bizarre nonsense. His behaviour and presentations on life / foods and the universe would perhaps not be tolerated here in UK as people would probably laugh at them.
Processed food is the number one cause of the obesity epidemic today. The problem can be solved only by governments getting tough with the food industry, stopping all added sugar and salt would be the first recommendation. Supporting farmers who provide fruit and vegetables should be the second place to go. We also need an entrepreneur to open the first mega store to sell no processed foods at all, and fill the store with the following - the store should sell at least 80% healthy natural foods like fruit, veg, nuts and seeds along with salads, and approx 20% should provide poultry, fish, eggs etc.
Dun get it - with the whole "may contain" supplement thing. Just cause our ancestors got various minerals and vitamins on occasion at random, doesn't mean it is best for us. I believe in consistency of diet for consistency of performance. I want to eat, so I can train consistently. Plus, what's with all the supplements? Our ancestors didn't have whey protein did they?
The "laws of thermodynamics" do NOT, and CANNOT
E X P L A I N the chemical behavior of fat cell receptors.
Any Norwegian (or anyone else for that matter) know which football club that guy at the end was talking about?
You see it as aggressive but it really isn't...you just get butthurt that you realise vegans are right
Robb Wolf shat himself at the 2013 Ancestral Health Symposium. Denise Minger gave him a change of pants.
Mark Sisson has conned ALL OF YOU. He is a SALESMAN, as is Anthony Colpo. MONEY is the bottom line.
If that's true, then something else is the cause of this regular aggressive behavior or veg*ns.
Vegan diets don't lack in any amino acids, and there are no human diets deficient in protein.
And why is Robb so puffy if all you gotta do to be skinny is take out carbs...?
YOu have no clue what you are talking about. Dr. Jeffrey Friedman does.
Imagine vegans 2 million years back telling fellow men they're wrong.
I went from 260 to 200 pounds and 10% body fat after going paleo. My workout routine is the same, my sleep is the same the ONLY thing that changed was removing CARBS. Thank you Robb!!!!
There is no way our ancestors were filling their stomach and blood stream at breakfast, dinner, and evening, along with snacks and primal protein powders / supplements on a daily basis. No human at any time in history was or is designed to take in constant amounts of protein saturated fat and large amounts of cholesterol on a daily basis, this is not sustainable long term nor advisable for health In the long run. Non of these guys on a 70% fat 30% protein paleo diet ever show there blood tests to show that long term high greasy fat along with animal meat several times per day is not having any adverse effect.
Just what is it that you believe they thrived on? Just berries and vegetables? Clearly you are more qualified in ancestral biochemistry than Robb Wolf so please educate us.
*****
I would have less of an issue and more respect for the paleo advocates if their information
were more accurate, but it is not. Our ancestors would have eaten wild freshly caught meat which means a far healthier
leaner meat such as up to 5 - 7 times less fat and with no added hormones, salt, additives or preservatives and they would
not have eaten meat from a local store with a use by or sell by date on it !!!
it would have been caught in it's natural environment which is completely different to the animals
we eat today. Our ancestors did not eat breakfast / dinner and evening meals of meat, fats, veggies and a little fruit year
round, our ancestors would have maybe eaten once daily and occasionally twice along with days when they were hungry.
They were also more active, gathering fuel, food and medicinal plants daily but with no guarantee of success.
Mankind today and at anytime in history is not designed to eat both meat and fat constantly throughout the day along
with supplements. if you want to be a real strong dude both mentally and physically like our ancestors then you should
live and eat just like them !!. Our ancestors did not get
their weekly groceries from the local store, no way, their lifestyles were totally different in many ways.
Stop looking for the elixir of life through a magic diet cause it ain't happening . Be wise and eat clean ...
eat foods that require little digestion and are light and colourful and full of fibre.
Remember this .. the foods that appear weak make you strong, and the foods that appear strong will make you
ultimately weak " this will always be the case. A mans greatest weapon against any enemy in any attack of any size
is ultimately the condition of his cardiovascular system. best wishes
Andrew Easson Never have I heard in the paleo circles (I'm not as plugged in as I used to be) preference to grocery food over wild food. Of course to make the thing more palatable (no pun intended) to the masses they have to talk about grocery store food options. Besides, grocery stores are a reality of our society today, in some ways very sad but true. If you eat 0% of your diet from a grocery store, then I put my next two paychecks on it that you at least have a garden that feeds you (if so massive props its an impressive feat). My point is while I agree that the absolute healthiest lifestyle is to hunt, gather and prepare all of our own food. Just read an article about Steven Rinella and he is probably about as close to anyone else to what you are describing in first world countries (not sure really where he's staying these days but I suppose its in US somewhere). I'll also point out he's had a couple nasty run ins with things like trichinosis. I still fully support the notion that we'd have a healthier and overall better society if far more of us hunted for our own food. Just pointing out both have their ups and downs. Neither is devoid of any potential risks to health.
Er, yes they do. I have my own done too, bloodwork is very good thanks.
+Andrew Easson you said "greasy fat." That tells me everything I need to know about your knowledge.
How is that in any way relevant to this debate?
My personal experience with Ketogenic diet was a detoxing reaction by way of increase bile release (dark green with most every BM) and parasite removal. My theory is that the bile creates an alkaline environment those little critters don't like much and after all that increased fat metabolism, well..... I do daily coffee enemas as a post chemo regimen anyway, to clean up my liver and toxin elimination. After hearing some people complain of reactions to keto conversion, even flu like symptoms, I thought the coffee enemas might help them too. I am convinced they can greatly help most people and help solve a HOST of problems. Effective elimination may be the head coach of the whole nutrient team, and maybe the most neglected in discussions!!
Bruce Lee is a "great mind"? Uhhh, yeah.
As seen in this Q & A, Robb Wolf and Mark Sisson approach scientific findings with caution, acknowledging that much of what science has to offer, especially in the realm of nutrition, is tentative. When you hear vegan proponents, they speak with such certitude, as if the science promoting their view is infallible. From their approaches to science alone, you can tell which camp is more motivated by proper science, and which is motivated by dogma and a political/social agenda.
Mark Sisson always wears the same shirt
Is this really the best you got?
In assessing diet, it is like training for a sport: your genetics will give you certain predilections (such as carb sensitivity, ability to absorb certain nutrients, etc.) which can be quite variable, and how that meshes with your environment and stressors varies from individual to individual. You have to use trial and error (empirical feedback) and evaluate (preferably with some objective feedback like athletic performance measures) and determine FOR YOURSELF which diet option works best for you. I think that, for instance, both vegan and paleo proponents can make very good cases for each, but having tried veganism for years (and suffering severely from carb-related issues), my current modified paleo serves best all of my long-term requirements. But self-education will continue.
Just because I think that running and rock climbing are the best sports in the world FOR ME, I in no way look down on friends who passionately pursue their own sports, and admire them when they succeed. Same with dietary paths. I have a running friend who is adamantly vegan, and I think he does well with it. Some day he may actually match the times of this old carnivore!
wow you must do alot of hunting for your meat? i guess you must hunt like 20 hours a day 7 days a week?
The difference between the cognitive abilities of these guys versus the vegans I've been seeing on the other channels is astounding. These guys can actually critically think and express themselves in a healthy manner, making actual reasonable claims.
Oh how I love the abusive ad hominem (sarcasm). It's the classic sign of small minds. Rock on Mark and Robb.
is that coffee? all that meat has you bogged down? vitamins in meat? hahahaha
Maybe that's true, but which camp would you say is more motivated by sales?
sissy and the wolfman
Love intellectual discussions with a myriad of people and backgrounds here...
BOTOX !!!
These guys are great, nice unbiased, and thoughtful responses.
Especially when the last guy mentioned the soccer players on the higher carb diets getting hard attacks. Robb took other variables until account and didn't immediately jump on the "it must be high carb" wagon, despite being a generally low carb advocate.
I doubt you'd ever see the 811ers with that same approach.
06:35 lol!!!
Alot of interesting stuff!
Thank you
Cool video!
Paleos must supplement with fruits and veggies. Must. LOL
Supplement? The paleo diet is inclusive of vegetables (lots of them) and some fruit.
***** Yes, dogma aside, you must eat fruits and veggies or you die. Me? I am 100% fruits and veggies. In light of this, it is easy to see what is natural and healthy, no?
FathomlessJoy I have specifically heard Robb himself admit that vegan/vegetarian diets work for some people.
***** That is rare, for a paleo to look past their ominous dogma and brainwashing. But why do others need to rape and torture animals and eat diseased rotting corpse? Does he say? Do you know?
FathomlessJoy I think you are hanging out in the wrong company. There are lots of people with your beliefs that you should go hang out with. Or are you one of those types that wants to force your own beliefs onto everyone else? If your next response is erratic and full of loaded statements I'm going to spare my limited life capacity for more valuable interactions. Of course my life will be very limited because I eat tons of eggs and butter and whole cream and dreaded bacon every day.
I love listening to these guys :)
Couple of great guys. Thanks.
The paleo diet is a fad diet.
a fad diet that has been around for a few million years ;-)
nice!
stevensonrf I have noticed the veganistas don't seem to get along well with non-veganistas. They are like the Cyborg.
sadly, it seems so ;-(
Really? If so, it's the OLDEST fad diet known to man!