I got the Watt Wagon Hydra with the 52 volt battery last month. Everything that he said in this video, is 100% true! It is a great eMTN bike. When you go from Eco mode to Sport mode, it's like a rocket. The torque is incredible. It is on the higher end cost wise but it's my one and done eBike. I will never need to buy another one to upgrade.
@@brucevous1 I have hit 38 MPH before while pedaling with pedal assist just to see how fast it will go. With throttle alone it will go over 30 easily depending on your weight and weather conditions.
@@coolhawk2003 What are those? 27.5? Im expecting a Hydra with 27.5's within the week. I've never had anything but fat tire (26x4) ebikes (750-1100w geared hubbies). Really excited and hoping not to he dissappinted in the 27.5's or mid drive.. or suspension. Lol
@@robcoastalga8279 omg that's super expensive of a bike. I say it will be a great bike. But it's way to expensive. You should check of a sondor rockstar. 1/3 the price . If I was paying that much I want a e dirt bike
I have a Watt Wagons commuter bike, (UC Pro with a titanium frame) and the same motor as the Hydra. This motor is a pussycat at lower levels and an absolute beast when you move up the power levels. The biggest drawback to this bike and motor is it ruins you for riding any other ebike. I also ride a Cannondale Lefty 3, with the Bosch gen 4 motor, and up until I received my UC Pro I thought the Lefty 3 had lots of power. Not anymore. Power does corrupt....absolutely.
I'm riding a 1700W bbshd and I have 32:42 gearing in my granny gear, and man I'll climb anything, even 80 degree climbs of about 3 meters if I hit it at 16kph. Love how efficient the motor can be with the power it's got
I have a Bolton Foxbat as well as a Wattwagons Hydra. Both are good bikes with BBSHD and Ultra respectively. However, the Hydra is in a class of its own: much smoother, much greater power, and phenomenal full suspension. I have the Manitou Mezzer Pro front suspension shown in this video and the Rockshocks Super Deluxe Ultimate rear suspension. This is a trail eMtn bike that you can take anywhere. I regularly ride on blue/black trails. I use the Foxbat for trips to the grocery store but I use the Hydra for sh*t-eating grins on trails.
I had a Haibike Nduro 9.0 Mountain Bike Yamaha for 5 years & it was Bullet Proof & So far my WattWagon has been Fantastic & Their controller makes all the difference. & Customer service has been excellent.
@@TheAgentAssassin I was thinking of upgrading to a 52V battery…… Do I have to change any of the settings or parameters on the BBS02 controller to get 1250W from a 52V battery??
I got a sondors rockstar when they where beta . Seems to be very close bike to this one . I think the price when up to 3400 but way better then 6500 for this hydra I think. Sondors rockstar is 750w but max at 1150w I think. Don't have rock shocks tho so but half the price. Cheers
No need for a bell with the Bafang Ultra, as the noisy gears in the motor can be heard from 50+ yards. It's understandable why in 90% of the Ultra reviews, music is playing in the background to cover up the whining gear noise. Even without torque sensing , I'll stick with my stealth silent 1800 watt BBSHD conversion.
Big fan of your channel Kyle and you as an ebike spokesman. You really understand the consumer and know there is a customer base that will appreciate higher power ebikes and use the power responsibly. The Watt Wagon bike looks awesome. I built my ebike with Bafang BBSHD and I love it, but when the right factory ebike comes along...and I love the Ultra motor and wary of the new Bafang CANBUS architecture, I will likely buy my next bike. I need something a bit more road focused but the next evolution in controller you describe sounds terrific. My sense is...I am an engineer, that the battery BMS in the Watt Wagon bike that extracts big watts from the Ultra motor...the battery used in the Watt Wagon bike must be a high amp BMS in order to work with what I presume is a high amp controller...likely somewhere around 60 amps or about twice a typical Ultra motor with stock controller to create 2000w.
Great video my first build was a 72 volt hub drive 12000w 120 kmph beast a lot of us building custom bikes don't care about the government restrictions
Great to see all the handicapped riders out there. Gives me a challenge on my pedal bicycle. Feels great when I beat them home after work. I'd wax the bike first though.
Fortunately where I live in the US state of Oregon where we can have 1000W's. I live in the coastal mountains where 1000w is barely adequate for my 6 ft + 300 lb frame. 750w would barely move me on flat ground.There should be a speed limit like with cars.
9:12 Not 100% correct ;-) I live in germany and can buy the same Controller and btw the Bike from Innotrace. Its a rly good controller but at the end Innotrace is the factory.
At times I need an ebike capable of a 75 mile range. Right now , with my unamed brand ebike , I achieve this with a spare battery which I swap out mid trip. Are extra batteries available for this bike and since the battery looks integrated is swaping it in the field possible and practical?
@Area13ebikes I wouldn't be surprised if people wanted to get their bikes on a dyno just to have a copy printed out for bragging rights. Like a group of guys spending an afternoon there getting on the dyno. You could hire a kid to do it and charge $50 . Once a week , first come, first serve. 9-5 pm
Maybe I dont hear it but how much travel does the frame have in rear ? My bike is on way and the dealer says I can fit a 230x60 -230x65mm rear shock and the factory rear shock has 230x62.5... Now I am unsure what is the best way because I want to buy a coil shock for the Hydra 😀
Why are ebikes companies so afraid about laws regarding wattage and speed? The legal speed limit for cars in the US is 65 mph but last I checked I didn’t have to unlock my Civic to hit 75 mph. Enough of this!
Because some people ride them in improper places, like crowded sidewalks and paths where you have kids, pets and a serious accident could happen if you don't slow down. I own an e bike and get passed by regular cyclists all the time, and then they blame e bikes for going too fast.
@@peterfernandezjr5914 This is an infrastructure problem not an ebike problem. People ride on the sidewalks because the infrastructure doesn’t exists. But in case of mountain and trail bikes why even bother with wattage limit? These bikes are inherently limited by suspension, hard capping the legality to 750 watts is pointless unless too much torque is somehow dangerous to the public.
@@peterfernandezjr5914 Kevin above is right. I have 3 eboke one is R-pedalac M1 Spitzing. I can control when i have to. Everyone can control there power just like a car. Then when you are in good area you can have fun
Kyle Thank you for all your video's, I am slowly going thru all of them to see which ones may apply to me and my style of riding. I have never spent any time on riding an Ebike, but I do have in excess of 20,000+ miles on a Honda Trail 90 from the 60's, it has been my Ebike......LOL, but all good things come to an end, I have worn it out, and can't get any parts etc, so my quest for an EBike, to replace my Trail 90. I'll send you an email of the spec's I THink? I need. I believe that you can help me sort out all the facts etc. I need a GOOD dependable SLOW climbing eBike with a good load hauling capacity. On most of your emails you talk about the speed, which is OK for most of you young whipper snappers, how about some reviews/test on Ebikes that will climb a goats face that is twice as ugly.....LOL Slow and slow, rough going, also showing the walk assist features etc. Since you have airplane themes for your EBikes, you are missing one of the best Ground support airplanes, beside the Wart Hog, of course I am talking about the Harrier Jump Jet, I wish, we would have had them in VN, besides the Hueys................. Thank you, Don
Hey great vid review once again... Question... Tyres on that bike?? Size?? and what sort of rider weight limit are we looking at?? 275lbs?? 120kgs? Cheers from downUnder
wow he was right Customized Luna “Ludicrous” V2 Controller Option (up to 2500w) carbon frame too for 2/3 the cost @ 4100. tuned controller too. z1 has 160NM torque wow Rockshox Debonair Yari 160mm Rockshox Deluxe Select 210mmx57mm in Rear Sram SX Eagle 12 speed cassette (standard HG driver, not the XD from SRAM) 4500 wow thankz there killer deals i have a sondors rockstar
@@Area13ebikes even if your right. look at the whole bike its cheaper with better parts so. plus that tuned luna controller at 2500w seem to be the newer tune. i think your on the old tune. is yours the v1?
like when snowboarding first came out ski hills started to ban them from using the lifts and some hills but it never stopped them. they just walk up the hill and still ride down. best of luck
When you're limited to how many watt motor you have the only thing left to do is to increase your amperage with a 750 watt motor and a 72 volt battery at 90 AMP peak, you got something there. If you throw in a sine wave controller with field weakening it's a sweetens the pot.
The market is desperately asking for a small start-up to design a drive-train that can handle this kind of power. My solution make all the metal in the chain, cassette, derailleur 50% thicker, and reduce the # speeds to 5 so it can be used on standard free-hub bodies.
So, all those guys that can afford a Covette... which is a top-of-the-line sports car; which can reach speeds over: 200 MPH; they get in more accidents? HA HA HA!! ---Man, check yourself!
Is there a limit to the horsepower a car can have? People have every right to drive or ride whatever they want, as long as they're careful and responsible. To hassle anyone who hasn't caused any problems or damages is tyrannical.
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"here in the US we can legally have 750 watts..." Not in Honolulu. Since the legal wording for a low speed electric bicycle is "...less than 750 watts", they won't allow registrations of 750 watt bikes! 😡
If you had to pick one.... efficiency or power?
Well as jn life efficiency is best but I prefer performance with about equal torque to power or little more torque so you have more power off the line
@NonCoinCollector what kind of savings you needing for that bike
@NonCoinCollector wow!
@NonCoinCollector why do you have to tag it and spend the money for tags
@NonCoinCollector ya I couldn't bring myself to drop that much on a bike so I ended up just ordering everything and then build my ebike
I got the Watt Wagon Hydra with the 52 volt battery last month. Everything that he said in this video, is 100% true! It is a great eMTN bike. When you go from Eco mode to Sport mode, it's like a rocket. The torque is incredible. It is on the higher end cost wise but it's my one and done eBike. I will never need to buy another one to upgrade.
What's the top speed on a flat road please? Thank you
@@brucevous1 I have hit 38 MPH before while pedaling with pedal assist just to see how fast it will go. With throttle alone it will go over 30 easily depending on your weight and weather conditions.
How is yours holding up?
@@ElevatedVehicles My Hydra has been great! No issues and runs as well as the day I got it.
How is yours holding up?
@@ElevatedVehicles I've had mine for a year & it is Fantastic & No Problem & It's a FUN Fun fun E bike
I have a Wattwagons Hydra with 4.8 inch fat tires. 100% worth it. Lots of fun. Goes through trails and small hills like it's nothing.
3in reg high rollers
@@coolhawk2003 What are those? 27.5? Im expecting a Hydra with 27.5's within the week. I've never had anything but fat tire (26x4) ebikes (750-1100w geared hubbies). Really excited and hoping not to he dissappinted in the 27.5's or mid drive.. or suspension. Lol
@@robcoastalga8279 omg that's super expensive of a bike. I say it will be a great bike. But it's way to expensive. You should check of a sondor rockstar. 1/3 the price .
If I was paying that much I want a e dirt bike
I have a Watt Wagons commuter bike, (UC Pro with a titanium frame) and the same motor as the Hydra.
This motor is a pussycat at lower levels and an absolute beast when you move up the power levels.
The biggest drawback to this bike and motor is it ruins you for riding any other ebike. I also ride a Cannondale Lefty 3, with the Bosch gen 4 motor, and up until I received my UC Pro I thought the Lefty 3 had lots of power. Not anymore.
Power does corrupt....absolutely.
How is yours holding up?
I'm riding a 1700W bbshd and I have 32:42 gearing in my granny gear, and man I'll climb anything, even 80 degree climbs of about 3 meters if I hit it at 16kph.
Love how efficient the motor can be with the power it's got
I have a Bolton Foxbat as well as a Wattwagons Hydra. Both are good bikes with BBSHD and Ultra respectively. However, the Hydra is in a class of its own: much smoother, much greater power, and phenomenal full suspension. I have the Manitou Mezzer Pro front suspension shown in this video and the Rockshocks Super Deluxe Ultimate rear suspension. This is a trail eMtn bike that you can take anywhere. I regularly ride on blue/black trails. I use the Foxbat for trips to the grocery store but I use the Hydra for sh*t-eating grins on trails.
I love you're analogy 😀
How is yours holding up?
I had a Haibike Nduro 9.0 Mountain Bike Yamaha for 5 years & it was Bullet Proof & So far my WattWagon has been Fantastic & Their controller makes all the difference. & Customer service has been excellent.
I choose power. I’ve been using a 750 Watt mid-drive motor, it’s got enough power for me and commuting to work. But a 2200 Watt must be a beast.
your bike probable pecks high then that tho
You do know that the BBS02 750w mid drive can go 1250 watts using 52V battery.
@@TheAgentAssassin I was thinking of upgrading to a 52V battery……
Do I have to change any of the settings or parameters on the BBS02 controller to get 1250W from a 52V battery??
I got a sondors rockstar when they where beta . Seems to be very close bike to this one . I think the price when up to 3400 but way better then 6500 for this hydra I think. Sondors rockstar is 750w but max at 1150w I think. Don't have rock shocks tho so but half the price. Cheers
WattWagon Hydra is the way to go, awesome E-bike
No need for a bell with the Bafang Ultra, as the noisy gears in the motor can be heard from 50+ yards. It's understandable why in 90% of the Ultra reviews, music is playing in the background to cover up the whining gear noise. Even without torque sensing , I'll stick with my stealth silent 1800 watt BBSHD conversion.
It's been Music to my ears.
Big fan of your channel Kyle and you as an ebike spokesman. You really understand the consumer and know there is a customer base that will appreciate higher power ebikes and use the power responsibly. The Watt Wagon bike looks awesome. I built my ebike with Bafang BBSHD and I love it, but when the right factory ebike comes along...and I love the Ultra motor and wary of the new Bafang CANBUS architecture, I will likely buy my next bike. I need something a bit more road focused but the next evolution in controller you describe sounds terrific. My sense is...I am an engineer, that the battery BMS in the Watt Wagon bike that extracts big watts from the Ultra motor...the battery used in the Watt Wagon bike must be a high amp BMS in order to work with what I presume is a high amp controller...likely somewhere around 60 amps or about twice a typical Ultra motor with stock controller to create 2000w.
WattWagon is the bomb
Would be nice to have a hub motor like kendney vii or have the gears inthe motor
Not if you want the feel of riding a bicycle, as the mid drive of a WattWagon gives you.
I like seeing stuff that people really want to use not just look at.
Great video my first build was a 72 volt hub drive 12000w 120 kmph beast a lot of us building custom bikes don't care about the government restrictions
wires melt?
With my size, that’s what I need for sure.
Have a Very Merry Christmas
The hydra is the ebike I want. I will eventually buy one for sure.
Great to see all the handicapped riders out there. Gives me a challenge on my pedal bicycle. Feels great when I beat them home after work. I'd wax the bike first though.
100 miles@ 45 max mph is the Minimum any e bike/ trike should aim for. When are the BYD solid state batteries coming on line?
What's the top speed on a flat road? Anyone have one of these bikes??
39 mph
Fortunately where I live in the US state of Oregon where we can have 1000W's. I live in the coastal mountains where 1000w is barely adequate for my 6 ft + 300 lb frame. 750w would barely move me on flat ground.There should be a speed limit like with cars.
Yep, I'm 6' 2" 240 & My WattWagon is carbon fiber. If you weigh 300 lb.
I would suggest you get the Newer Aluminum Frame WattWagon Hydra 2
9:12
Not 100% correct ;-)
I live in germany and can buy the same Controller and btw the Bike from Innotrace.
Its a rly good controller but at the end Innotrace is the factory.
OK , That Great as it's a good controller & you know German Enginering.
At times I need an ebike capable of a 75 mile range. Right now , with my unamed brand ebike , I achieve this with a spare battery which I swap out mid trip. Are extra batteries available for this bike and since the battery looks integrated is swaping it in the field possible and practical?
Yes for $1,000
Some speed, handling and climbing test videos are in the works hopefully.
Honestly seems to be the best ebike on paper
What's top speed?
I've hit 39mph
Has this bike been on the Dyno?
No, but I will have one of these motors on the dyno in the near future.
@Area13ebikes I wouldn't be surprised if people wanted to get their bikes on a dyno just to have a copy printed out for bragging rights. Like a group of guys spending an afternoon there getting on the dyno. You could hire a kid to do it and charge $50 . Once a week , first come, first serve. 9-5 pm
Looks super interesting. But wouldn't this chew thru chains and cassettes? What do they use to make it last longer?
No problem if you know how to pause when shifting.
What’s the full price for the bike??? I missed that part of the video!
Whats the top speed the bike(wattwagon) can do??In Sport. I currently have a R pedalac M1
on a slight downhill run I've hit 39mph
FOC controllers have been needed for high torque cargo bikes in China (and Asia in general) for a couple decades now.
What do you think about the Ariel rider grizzly? How can you get more mileage out of it?
Anyone have an opinion on the Watt Wagon vs Luna?
I chose WattWagon for the customer service a quality of the build.
Wish I could see more videos of the bike being ridden to see how it stand up to the Luna x2.
Same
Rode with a friend who had a Luna & it was a 45 minute all steep uphill ride & the Luna shut off twice due to overheating.
Maybe I dont hear it but how much travel does the frame have in rear ?
My bike is on way and the dealer says I can fit a 230x60 -230x65mm rear shock and the factory rear shock has 230x62.5...
Now I am unsure what is the best way because I want to buy a coil shock for the Hydra 😀
Great video (as always) of a great bike.
im waiting for the Watt Wagons Helios.
Great video, could you tell me what the top speed snd range on throttle only is? Thanks
Why are ebikes companies so afraid about laws regarding wattage and speed? The legal speed limit for cars in the US is 65 mph but last I checked I didn’t have to unlock my Civic to hit 75 mph. Enough of this!
Because some people ride them in improper places, like crowded sidewalks and paths where you have kids, pets and a serious accident could happen if you don't slow down. I own an e bike and get passed by regular cyclists all the time, and then they blame e bikes for going too fast.
@@peterfernandezjr5914 This is an infrastructure problem not an ebike problem. People ride on the sidewalks because the infrastructure doesn’t exists. But in case of mountain and trail bikes why even bother with wattage limit? These bikes are inherently limited by suspension, hard capping the legality to 750 watts is pointless unless too much torque is somehow dangerous to the public.
Most people don't walk on highways like they do on trails
@@Zetler Too much torque can wreck up some trails if people are riding like morons, but that's about it.
@@peterfernandezjr5914 Kevin above is right. I have 3 eboke one is R-pedalac M1 Spitzing. I can control when i have to. Everyone can control there power just like a car. Then when you are in good area you can have fun
Kyle
Thank you for all your video's,
I am slowly going thru all of them to see which ones may apply to me and my style of riding.
I have never spent any time on riding an Ebike, but I do have in excess of 20,000+ miles on a Honda Trail 90 from the 60's, it has been my Ebike......LOL, but all good things come to an end, I have worn it out, and can't get any parts etc,
so my quest for an EBike, to replace my Trail 90.
I'll send you an email of the spec's I THink? I need. I believe that you can help me sort out all the facts etc.
I need a GOOD dependable SLOW climbing eBike with a good load hauling capacity.
On most of your emails you talk about the speed, which is OK for most of you young whipper snappers,
how about some reviews/test on Ebikes that will climb a goats face that is twice as ugly.....LOL Slow and slow, rough going, also showing the walk assist features etc.
Since you have airplane themes for your EBikes, you are missing one of the best Ground support airplanes, beside the Wart Hog, of course I am talking about the Harrier Jump Jet, I wish, we would have had them in VN, besides the Hueys.................
Thank you,
Don
Get the WATTWAGON HYDA & you won't be sorry. As it has the suspension &
power you need.
Hey great vid review once again... Question... Tyres on that bike?? Size?? and what sort of rider weight limit are we looking at?? 275lbs?? 120kgs? Cheers from downUnder
I got my WattWagon Hydra with 27.5 X 2.8
wow he was right
Customized Luna “Ludicrous” V2 Controller Option (up to 2500w)
carbon frame too for 2/3 the cost @ 4100. tuned controller too.
z1 has 160NM torque wow
Rockshox Debonair Yari 160mm
Rockshox Deluxe Select 210mmx57mm in Rear
Sram SX Eagle 12 speed cassette (standard HG driver, not the XD from SRAM)
4500 wow
thankz there killer deals
i have a sondors rockstar
This is NOT a Luna controller. Please don't confuse the two. Big difference in how they operate, efficiency, etc.
@@Area13ebikes even if your right. look at the whole bike its cheaper with better parts so. plus that tuned luna controller at 2500w seem to be the newer tune. i think your on the old tune. is yours the v1?
Being from Watt Wagons it's probably got an Archon X1 controller.
@@ecp4500 Yes very smooth & lots of even power
Sure would be nice if they could ship the bikes people ordered many, many months ago.
I tried to buy a bike from Watt Wagons. Took a week to return my inquiry. The guy needs to get his shop up to speed before he goes mainstream
I got mine a year ago & No problems
price?
6500 befor tax 😶
$5,499.00 February 2024
worked great!
Mark,....when are you going to try and make that controller for the Rad bikes?
Living in the UK with the highly restrictive laws puts lots of people off getting an E-bike.
like when snowboarding first came out ski hills started to ban them from using the lifts and some hills but it never stopped them. they just walk up the hill and still ride down. best of luck
Man up.I live in the UK its no problem if you're discreet and ghost pedal around town.
Screw them ... its your money and your life . Dont let em make choices for u ..just dont act like a run away train
@@denseljosephs9500 It's up to the person, just because my car can do a 100 mph does not mean I drive that fast.
I wish there was this level of ebike without fat tires
They do, go to their WEB SITE, they come with 27.5 X 2.8 tires.
When you're limited to how many watt motor you have the only thing left to do is to increase your amperage with a 750 watt motor and a 72 volt battery at 90 AMP peak, you got something there. If you throw in a sine wave controller with field weakening it's a sweetens the pot.
to much heat in them wires try like 100v 60 amp. like the a euc they know how to go fast. but there hub motors but still faster tho
awesome man so will my bolton display quit working. like y2k lol good stuff kyle. voull do great
Range and at least 28mph,Bee Cool Adventure looks promising
Until the light motorcycle power snaps that bicycle chain and you are pushing it home...
Cost
Just saw a Giant E bike for $14999.99
Man I’d buy that, but I’ll wait until I hit 65
Prefer efficiency for long mileage rides.
How do I contact you by phone or email?
Don’t have WhatsAppme, trying to get and get it set up……….
I think I am there just sent a message, can I get a reply? Thanks
The market is desperately asking for a small start-up to design a drive-train that can handle this kind of power. My solution make all the metal in the chain, cassette, derailleur 50% thicker, and reduce the # speeds to 5 so it can be used on standard free-hub bodies.
So a bit under 3hp.
So, all those guys that can afford a Covette... which is a top-of-the-line sports car; which can reach speeds over: 200 MPH; they get in more accidents? HA HA HA!! ---Man, check yourself!
Btw, try to build one that doesn't require someone to sell a kidney to buy. I'm thinking of building my own.
Over $6000. wow
Is there a limit to the horsepower a car can have? People have every right to drive or ride whatever they want, as long as they're careful and responsible. To hassle anyone who hasn't caused any problems or damages is tyrannical.
Jesus is God & He loves you
Jesus will soon be seen by all men, women, and children in the clouds. Jesus is returning now! Believe and be saved.
Exodus 3:14 (God speaking)
And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.
John 8:58 (Jesus speaking)
Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
John 10:30 (Jesus speaking)
I and my Father are one.
Isaiah 9:6
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, *The everlasting Father,* The Prince of Peace.
Matthew 1:23
Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, *God with us.*
John 1:1 & 14
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
14 And the Word was made flesh (Lord Jesus), and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
John 8:24 (Jesus speaking)
I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.
John 14:9 (Jesus speaking)
Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?
Hebrews 1:1-3, & 8 (God calls His Son "O God" because Jesus IS God in the flesh)
1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;
8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
1 John 5:7
For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
Titus 2:13
Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;
Revelation 1:7-
Behold, he cometh with clouds; *and every eye shall see him,* and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.
Isaiah 44:6 (God speaking)
Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.
Revelation 1:8 (Jesus speaking)
I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, *the Almighty.*
Revelation 22:13 (Jesus speaking)-
I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.
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There Are None Righteous / How To Be Saved
Romans 3:10 & 23
10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
Luke 5:31-32 (Jesus speaking)
31 And Jesus answering said unto them, They that are whole need not a physician; but they that are sick.
32 I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
1 Peter 3:18 (The word “quicken” means “to make alive”)
For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
Romans 10:9
That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Acts 4:12
Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
Ephesians 2:8-9
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Repent of your sins or suffer the consequences. Lord Jesus died in our places personally to take the death punishment that sin deserves and then resurrected by the power of God. Believe this and sincerely repent of your sins each time you sin and you will have eternal life and nothing to fear. Fail to repent and you will end up in the Lake of Fire.
What a load of hogwash
@@christophersmith2102
All of the world's little children will be taken to Heaven by Lord Jesus to escape the end of the world. They will suddenly disappear into thin air all at once.
Right before the final 7 years of mankind's rebellion to God's will is initiated (called the Tribulation / apocalypse) there will be a great rescue of the little children from earth to Heaven. Lord Jesus will have taken them home to safety. This includes little babies and toddlers and even those babies that are still growing from conception in their mother's wombs.
Matthew 19:14 (Jesus speaking)
But Jesus said, Let the children come to me. Don’t stop them! For the Kingdom of Heaven belongs to those who are like these children.
Matthew 24:19 (Jesus speaking)
How dreadful it will be in those days for pregnant women and nursing mothers!
(At the start of the Tribulation - why not dreadful for the children themselves?)
Isaiah 47:9
But these two things shall come to thee in a moment in one day, the loss of children...
Isaiah 49:22 & 25
22 Thus saith the Lord GOD, Behold, I will lift up mine hand to the Gentiles, and set up my standard to the people: and they (angels) shall bring thy sons in their arms, and thy daughters shall be carried upon their shoulders.
25 ...and I will save thy children.
Jeremiah 10:20
My home is gone, and no one is left to help me rebuild it. My children have been taken away, and I will never see them again.
Jeremiah 31:15
This is what the Lord says: A cry is heard in Ramah, deep anguish and bitter weeping. Rachel weeps for her children, refusing to be comforted for her children are gone.
Micah 1:16
Shave your heads in sorrow, for the children you love will be snatched away. Make yourselves as bald as a vulture, for your little ones have been removed from you!
Right after the little children are rescued from what's coming the next major event to happen will be a major asteroid impact. This will come with signs of light in the skies heralding its arrival 3 days in advance, described below.
Matthew 24:27 (Jesus speaking)
For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
Luke 10:18 (Jesus speaking)
And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.
This next bit comes from dreams and visions God has given us over the years. The skies turning colors is directly in reference to Matthew 24:27 where Jesus warned us that there would be a crazy light show going on right before the 2nd rapture. Jesus Himself set the course of the coming asteroid in order to wake people from their sleep. Upon impact this asteroid will cause a 12.0 earthquake, a mega flaming shockwave for many hundreds of miles, world wide mega tsunamis, will split America in two, and will even stop time for 3 days as the sun and moon will stay in their places in the sky for those 3 days, and finally will kill millions of people.
This asteroid is going to land between the island of Mona and the city of Mayaguez, Puerto Rico at 2:00am Puerto Rico time. (We know the hour, but not the date).
When you see these final signs you'll know it's beginning:
- The skies all over the entire world will turn colors like the auras
- After that the skies will turn red for 3 days as a final warning
- Then the asteroid hits
- Then the 3 days of darkness arrive where all the light on the earth is extinguished. No light from the sun or moon or stars. It will be so dark you will be blind.
Revelation 8:8-9 (The asteroid)
8 And the second angel sounded, and as it were a great mountain burning with fire was cast into the sea: and the third part of the sea became blood;
9 And the third part of the creatures which were in the sea, and had life, died; and the third part of the ships were destroyed.
We now know that we’re waiting for the children to be taken home and the skies to turn colors like the auras. When the skies start acting up, there’s 3 days left and we know the asteroid impacts at 2:00am Puerto Rico time.
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There Are None Righteous / How To Be Saved
Romans 3:10 & 23
10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
Luke 5:31-32 (Jesus speaking)
31 And Jesus answering said unto them, They that are whole need not a physician; but they that are sick.
32 I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
1 Peter 3:18 (The word “quicken” means “to make alive”)
For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
Romans 10:9
That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Acts 4:12
Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
Ephesians 2:8-9
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Repent of your sins or suffer the consequences. Lord Jesus died in our places personally to take the death punishment that sin deserves and then resurrected by the power of God. Believe this and sincerely repent of your sins each time you sin and you will have eternal life and nothing to fear. Fail to repent and you will end up in the Lake of Fire.
AMEN When that 7thTrump Sounds Every knee will bow.
@@christophersmith2102 You'll Believe it when you see it
Isn't it a sin to quote passages from the bible
A $6.5k ebike, needs to go way faster for much longer and weigh like a piece of paper, no way josue.
If you are lazy and don't like exercise get a cab.
you have to pedal to use the bike. even if you have throttle it dont get you moving like when you pedal with it. really comes alive. oyaaaa
I've never seen a cab on the mountain bike trails....
This is the reason people don't want ebikes on trails!
"here in the US we can legally have 750 watts..."
Not in Honolulu. Since the legal wording for a low speed electric bicycle is "...less than 750 watts", they won't allow registrations of 750 watt bikes! 😡
registration your pedal bike?