INCOMPETENCE! 😱 Simon Jordan & Danny Murphy REACT To The VAR Audio From Spurs vs Liverpool! 🤯
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- TalkSPORT's Simon Jordan and Danny Murphy react to the VAR audio from Liverpool's defeat to Tottenham Hotspur.
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The Replay Operator is the only one concentrating. He could literally do all three jobs.
When he of all people had to tell them that the onfield decision was “OFFSIDE”, it felt like me having to tell my bosses how to save a file as .pdf. Poor fucker is there just to operate the computers and man is having to do their jobs for them.
That's probably because he was the only one not to have been paid off.
@@TheRobotsWillEatYou England might be a fine referee on the pitch -- I have no opinion on that. But a VAR official needs a mindset that is different than an official on the pitch, and there is worrying cluelessness there. PGMOL seems to be years behind where they should be in sorting that aspect of the game out.
It’s funny when Danny called the officials incompetent a few weeks ago white and Jordan had a conniption about it. Danny was proved right.
Its an inclination of how jordan is a politician. A liar and someone who always backs the establishment because they write his checks.
conniption? had to google that, are you related to Jordan or am I thick? 🤣
LiVARpool denied a goal - Media Outrage
City on same day lose to Hwang goal who should have got Red - Media Blackout?🤔
@@HumanBeingsRThinkingBeingsLiVARpool as you call it are far bigger than oil club City hence more relevant in the media
@@Johnster123.who cares about being bigger..City is BETTER than Liverpool now .We don't win games with past victories 😂😂
Danny is the first person I’ve heard even mention the linesman having his flag up. I’ve been saying that from the minute it happened yet all these people in the media didn’t even mention it.
Was a mess from that very moment.
The linesman done his job correctly
@@CJ4YRDwell not at all, he incorrectly called the goal offside when it wasn’t.
, no he didn't, he's supposed to wait till that phase of play which would have been the goal being scored, unless he was five yards offside.... Which in this case was clearly not so
Same here, I was thinking wtf is the linesman doing flagging that right at the time. Just completely useless.
@@CJ4YRD If that's doing his job correctly I'd love to see what doing it incorrectly looks like.
All he had to say was "you can award the goal"
not really because the on-field decision was offside. So they needed to overrule the ref. "You can award the goal" implies VAR are confirming the decision of the goal being given, which it wasn't.
Why is the wording "check complete"? Why isn't "goal stands" or "offside" depending on the situation
This is what it looks like when there's a lack of standard in an organization. Having a standard means something as simple as communication protocol for VAR is taken care of.
A lack of standard in any organizations or area of life allows incompetence to take charge. And then when you match that with PGMOL's arrogance and refusal to be held accountable/transparent you get disasterclassess in officiating like we've been having since the start of this season.
they should take a leaf out of the rugby VAR communication. Very clear and no rush.
@@adamcraven3427 👏👏👏
Imagine how many times this has happened, the VAR miscommunicated the call (say, a handball) but because it is considered "subjective", we will never know about the mistake!
This is 100% valid statement... This is the bigger story
This is TOTALLY different. It wasnt subjective.
@@InstigatorDJ the point being made is that ref could have given a subjective penalty... But subjective or not, ref might have given it, var might have thought it wasn't a penalty... And said check complete... Majority of fans would have thought no chance it was a pen as did var... However the confusion could have led to wrong decision but no one would ever know. This non subjective Diaz decision has highlight this flaw....
@@InstigatorDJlearn to read and comprehend.
It is laughable that the only lad who has any idea what is going on..... isn't a referee hahahahaha.
If VAR had been watching the game, they could not possibly be mistaken about the referee's decision on the field. Someone is telling porkies.
The screen literally says what is being checked. No chance they didnt know.
They were not watching or asleep after their trip to UAE 😡 😡 😡
11:50 Danny Murphy just shut things down and raised such a valid point!
In cricket and rugby they have a protocol that states the outcome ...eg. batsman is out....and that you need stay with or reverse your original decision. They follow this protocol every single time. The protocol is there for a reason . Its because it avoids any misunderstanding and ambiguity. If they had the same protocol in football and it had been followed this type of error would never happen.
The piss poor quality of their equipment, coupled with the complete lack of language skills rule out that system. I have doubt that they understand each other face to face, let alone over a cheap radio set.
@@nutrocker62 That's what I thought.
People from different backgrounds, use different terms for the same thing.
There must be an official term for each scenario. I E, offside or onside.
I don't suppose the fact, that refs have twenty outfield players, screaming at them, plus a 50,000+ crowd, it would be easy for a ref to get confused.
Exactly, in rugby they literally say "you may award the try". Amazing how much of a shambles the people running VAR are...
What is scary about this whole thing is that the referees didn't even realize they had made a mistake.... It was the replay editor who spotted it for them... and then had to protest over and over before they finally realized they had made a mistake. The assistant VAR was actually saying "HE PLAYED HIM OFFSIDE" so he thought the offside call was right despite the lines being drawn showing he was clearly onside. So the assistant VAR was clueless right up until the end.
The replay editor (the only person who's name we don't know) was the smartest man in the room.
The replay Editors Name is Ollie - thats why one of them was saying "Ollie said Delay" then you hear Darren England say "What ? " "Ollie" and then the guy says again "Yes Ollie said Delay the game Delay the game" then Darren England says "Can`t do it" "Can`t do it" and from there is a big Fkkkn mess .. Everyone thought when they heard Ollie being mentioned that they were talking to Michael Oliver because he was the 4th official at the game, however Ollie was the guy who was operating the Editor Replay ...
Jim Whyte hasn’t actually got a clue what went on with that Var decision at all 😂
Who?
He's thick
He's a shill.
Jim is paid to spin things, and say ridiculous things otherwise it would get boring
I’m curious as to Simon Hooper’s reaction after he was informed of the mistake.
He should of stopped the game the next time the ball went out
Oh nooo... anyway. I'm absolutely sure refs are indifferent when they f up and actually are irritated and angry when coaches mention it.
@@BoogaBoy-wq3ye I don't think he found out untill half-time. He can't hear the VAR and assistant talking to each other
Funny, he’s also the ref who didn’t give a pen to wolves in their game with man united…..
@@Nozza1000I heard it was a lie
All this still doesnt explain how the VAR and assistance VAR didn’t know the onfield decision that was made was offside. How do two people who are paid to watch and officiate the game not watched the game?
They were counting their UAE money
@@nossolgcity owners
Its like they were also watching netflix or another 5 matches at the same time. This is a sackable thing offence and why are they talking in such confusing words. Ask direct questions with YES and NO answers like military talk. No conversations
@@ljs185the audio is altered bits removed.
I'm not convinced the conspiracy goes away- firstly this audio actually indicates differently to what PGMOL officials said about what happened before the release(check the BBC transcripts). It seems to me that the VAR Darren England saw the lines, and said 'check complete, off'. Why does he say 'off'? It's certainly not a Comms sign off I heard of (eg over/out). Secondly the replay operator did say the on field decision was offside and then says 'are you happy with this?' VAR replies 'yeah'. After the replay operator asks if he's sure the VAR assistant says 'yeah, offside, goal. That's not right Daz'. If these VAR officials were so distracted by the replay video that they did not pay attention to the live pitch, then how are they still calling the footage offside? Something seems very off here, and I'm sure this warrants further investigation into the individuals...
The guy who said “good process” must be punching the air right now 😂
No because he didn’t know that it was a bad decision
He was saying that as I’m well done a quick decision let’s move on
Listening to this audio is just painful. I cant believe they didnt just stop the game. Even if it had restarted. Have some balls! 🤬 I wonder if they'd have stopped the game if Liverpool were the home team
Games are stopped and restarted for many simple things ... free kick taken too quickly or from the wrong spot, ball was moving when free kick was taken, they could have stopped awarded the goal and added 10 seconds - but the supposed protocols don't allow for this with VAR
@@martyn1914they didn't seem to be following the protocols when they trashed the game.
@@martyn1914its for betting companies probably lol
Agree, it ain’t rocket science. Rugby and cricket have concise communication. That was all over the place. What the heck is check complete! It’s so ambiguous. Check complete, it’s a goal. I’m glad they’ve released the recordings as it exposes how amateurish everything is.
Rules are for the game. The Game is not for the rules
In this critical moment, one person is urgently calling for action, repeatedly emphasizing "delay, delay," while another individual tasked with the same responsibility seems to be moving in slow motion, remaining eerily silent when swift responses and actions are desperately needed. This stark contrast in behavior raises unsettling suspicions of corruption in my perception.
Danny's right he put the flag up straight away
And Jim still trying to spin it
He didn't. He put the flag up once the ball hit the back of the net. That's why he's telling the ref he's "delaying" when Diaz is through.
No he put it up right away
You clearly haven't watched it lol
😂😂😂incompetent pundit Danny
@@ramdaswalse2005Why’s that then.
Funny enough stopping the game isn’t unprecedented. Gab Marcotti, on ESPN mentioned that during the 2006 World Cup final, the on field official went against protocol and stopped the game when he saw Marco Materazzi rolling around in the penalty area. The game had been played for several minutes. We all know what the outcome was, Zinedine Zidane was sent off for a head-butt. The integrity of the game should always be paramount. The rules can be broken, the French officials didn’t complain because they knew the correct decision was made.
Premier league didn't allow the semi automated VAR technology to go to a vote because they said it would be obsolete soon and would only help on a few decisions a season...
Can't corrupt the decision that's why
They didn't miss the offside they didn't just know what they were checking for. Even with semi automated still would have got it wrong.
Cant do anything, DIDNT WANT TO ANYTHING, even when they know it wrong.. that is not incompetence its bias, he had no design to make the right call with how quick he said CANT DO ANYTHING, and how cutting he kept saying it...
Both var and avar sounded incredibly arrogant when speaking and saying that.
It would have been biased to stop the game. Once play has restarted VAR is out of the equations. Two wrongs don’t make a right.
@@Justin-yt8zvit would have been arrogant to stop the game. It’s arrogant to break the rules not follow them
@@tobymarx-dunn2332 For me your comparing 2 different wrongs, technically your right but the wrong of taking a game back by a matter of seconds is far far better than the wrong of choosing not to award a goal. If we all took your logic many more football matches would be ruined.
@@tobymarx-dunn2332 Idiot, if the ball is ready for a free kick, then someone assaults' a player behind the Ref, and the free kick is taken a few secs after the assault,
what you think they will not stop it and bring it back ?
The Fact that they miscommunicated means its a TECHNICAL error,
You can stop the game whenever you want , due to a technical error, that the LAW
The phrase “coming back for offside” does not, contrary to Simon’s assertion, clarify the on field decision. It could easily be interpreted as coming back to check whether it is onside or offside. Does not excuse the complete failure to understand what the on field decision was just by watching the game.
I cannot believe there is not a protocol. Referee states the call on the pitch and what they are reviewing. VAR repeats it back to confirm. VAR does its check and states the result, "The Liverpool player is onside. The goal stands. Or, the Liverpool player is offside. Spurs free kick." Referee repeats it back to confirm. After confirmation from each side, VAR allows the referee to restart the match.
'Delaying, delaying, delaying...coming back for offside, mate.' That's literally the linesman saying 'I'm going to flag for offside when the phase of play ends.'
@@garymck5181 but that’s based on your understanding of the game and if you were in fact watching the game. If you heard that sentence without the necessary context (which may have occurred in this situation), then it could be construed very differently.
@@garymck5181 this means check offside. It does not say that offside was given on the field off play or not. In fact its never stated during the entire process and apparently the ref has no input on this etiher. Its the wrong processes being implemented badly.
Let's give Oli a medal 🥇. He's the only one who saw it and told them and who was willing to stop the game but they over ruled them.. you'd swear they're on City's payrole 😂
They actually were on City's payroll 48 hours earlier...🤬
Danny was correct in saying the linesman (assistant referee) flagged before the goal was scored.
What have you been smoking dude? He put the flag up only after the goal was scored. These people can’t even correctly state the facts of the matter even with infinite time, but expect the VAR to be 100% accurate in split second decisions. Hypocrites.
The goal was scored first then the flag went up
The VAR and AVAR were not watching the game when the goal went in, because they didn't know it had been ruled out for offside. They weren't watching the game after the call, because they didn't see that the game had restarted with a Spurs free kick.
What were they doing? PGMOL out.
Thats if you are naive to believe this wasnt all intentional. Its all rigged stop it man. Your entire country and western society is all about corruption. You cant even hold basic elections without corruption.
You can Hear the VAR say possible offside” before the goal. I didn’t know you know that without watching
@@tobymarx-dunn2332 They were not watching properly here. Now I actually see not correctly noticing the flag as a forgivable error. But it is very strange that they did not notice the restart, and it had to be pointed out multiple times. Where were their eyes for several seconds?
Surely either the VAR or AVAR should be watching the game carefully at every second. They need to be looking for fouls that might need to be reviewed that could be easily be missed by the officials on the field, like off ball fouls in build up.
Counting the wad they got in Saudi 2 days earlier.
Is the linesman blind.
😂😂😂😂 i wonder if Laural & Hardy used to go through this process every episode they made. You couldn't make this mess up.
The assistant ref putting his flag up early has bugger all to do with the error, if anything it should have helped them get the right decision since that would have made it more likely the VAR team would think offside had been called.
Danny made a great point about the lines man who is getting away with it
People are saying that the released audio is 5 seconds shorter in duration than the live match timings. Basically 5 seconds of audio has been cut? Not sure how to verify this, but if you listen @ 1:14 in the video you hear "OFF" and what sounds like a cut in the audio.
Can someone who has the live game recorded see if the audio released plays in perfect sync to the live match?
Rather than saying "Check complete, all good", why didnt they say "Check complete, the goal stands" ??
Or simply “GOAL” or “OFFSIDE”
Where's the apology from Talksport and Jordan about yesterdays disgusting comment on Liverpool???
This sounds like a ATC conversation with the Pilots of a A 380 before they crash😂😂😂
Not only should audio always be available as it is in rugby but there also needs to be a coaches/captains challenge that can be used once a game as they do in the NFL and cricket.
They looked at the Dan burns Newcastle goal for 5 minutes last night. If it’s going to be subjective how long VAR decides to analyse an incident, then a team should be able to challenge that in some way.
A. The linesman delayed his flag ( they even say so in the audio)
B. After the game is restarted they are talking amongst themselves the officials on field can’t hear that discussion, it even says so before the clip is played
On the semi-automatic offsides, my understanding was the clubs rejected it under advise from the PGMOL, not sure what the PGMOL said to the clubs but I'd imagine the clubs would probably be led by the advice of trained professionals in this field rather than their personal feelings about it. It'll be in next season no doubt.
IS no one noticing the change in frame or pause on 49/50seconds. the speech flicks to a different time frame. something is missing!!!
Can someone explain to me what is Danny Murphy going on about. He said the linesman raised his flag straight away. There is no video evidence of this. The linesman can be heard saying "delaying, delaying. Going back for the offside"
He never raised his flag until the goal was scored. He was 100% correct in his procedure!
Not stopping the game after the restart and simply showing the images proving the player was onside in the stadium on the video monitors is insane. Easy fix, would have been accepted, all they had to do is say they made a mistake, which they realized immediately.
Jim White is getting more annoying, he always takes the argumentative stance, his argument about semi auto offside lines is completely irrelevant to the mistake that was made, the mistake was they didn't pull it back when they should have after the goal was disallowed semi auto lines won't change that because the var will still have said onside and the ref would still have said no goal, the issue is with the fact they didn't right the wrong
and he was obsessed (as was simon) with saying we should ask Liverpool if they voted against it....whats their point? It took a majority of Prem clubs to vote against and doent matter who they were......pair of muppets
Well yeah that’s what he’s paid to do but yeah he’s annoying as
Jim's changed his tune on this one. Was saying the other day they shouldn't have stopped the game
The problem is just saying, 'Check complete'. It needs to be more specific. Saying 'Onside, the goal should stand' is much more precise and helpful.
Here's an idea. Instead of VAR (which is a referee) saying "check complete" as a message to the pitch referee after a video review, why don't they say "goal" or "offside"? It's far more definitive for the officials on the pitch irrespective of what the officials had whistled on the pitch prior to the video review.
Think the weekend VAR scandal showed quantum physics in play. The passage of play was offside while also not being offside - It existed in both states at the same time...Schrodinger's offside law?
Surely this could easily be sorted if the protocol was that the VAR`s final message to the onfield officials was along the lines of, "Check complete, legitimate goal", "Check complete, Offside", "Check complet, handball" etc. Takes away any ambiguity.
It just seems so easy to resolve, or am I missing something?
They were checking for offside, the answer needed to be either ‘offside’ or ‘not offside’. Ref then makes the right call. The answer of ‘check complete’ is the issue with this one.
Exactly.
I thought it used to say on the board it was off side or on side? 🤔
Right at the end they finally got to the real problem. The VAR actually worked it was the communication that failed. The AR should docked games for missing that call. If he called it Onsides to begin with we wouldn't have this problem
Well done Danny 👏👏👏👏👏line man is the start of all the problem
Danny was totally wrong. Linesman did NOT have his flag up before Diaz put it in the back of the net. After the goal was scored, he then put the flag up, indicating he thought it was offside. It was up to Var to correct that. Which they didn't as they were embarrassingly incompetent
If the VAR people report back to ref 'Goal confirmed Onside' or 'Goal confirmed Offside' then there is no room for confusion. They don't need to know the on-field decision to declare the goal on or offside.
Rather than just saying check complete why dont the also say what the decision is so this case they would have said check complete goal stands, then there is no confusion.
They already have a protocol which means they could have intervened. When the ref said offside and gave the ball to spurs that becomes a clear an obvious error. Ergo allowing VAR intervention
The fact there's no protocol for VAR mistakes in the first place says a lot. Even after all the controversies, they implemented new rules for the game but chose not to with VAR. The ref was hasty and had no interest in getting it right. Its either, Match fixing, incompetence or both.
“Delaying, delaying , pulling that back for offside”. How Darren England thought that was given onside is so grossly negligent
Corruption, nothing more to it, sick of refs getting "o they're stupid aren't they" treatment and all is forgiven.
@Robert-ks5ix 100% should be investigated. Especially with what's going on just to clear the air that this league is on the level.
They had one job to do! Unbelievable! Even back in the days prior to using technology in football, this would've been considered a huge and unacceptable mistake!
Except back in the day there were incorrect offside calls in every game
@@tobymarx-dunn2332 yes, that's true.
This situation reminds me of the tenerife disaster were 2 B747s crashed into eachother. It remains to this day the most deadly air disaster in history. The disaster was caused because the atc used unclear wording and one pilot thought he was good to take off. While it was very sad, the benefits from the crash in the following decades have likely prevented hundreds if not thousands of other crashes. This is much the same, even though it was very disappointing the lesson of using clear wordage needed to be learned at some point.
Wouldnt any crash due to atc unclear wording be investigated and thus prevent subsequent crashes? So its not prevented hundreds of crashes
@@agentbuizel9875 its precisely because it was investigated that it has prevented crashes because atc no longer uses unclear wordage.
I think managers/coaches should be allowed a certain amount of challenges per game to VAR decisions. The review would certainly eliminate mistakes.
They got it right at the women’s World Cup - the VAR communication to the ref was along the lines of ‘the player was offside, no goal’ or ‘there was a handball, penalty is the correct decision’ or ‘no foul, you may give the goal’ (and not just an ambiguous ‘check complete’) And this was broadcast to the crowd and TV in real time.
I love Danny’s argument at the end and Simons realization
The clubs rejected the semi automatic because they want someone to be accountable for mistakes like this one. Murphy was right when he said the same mistake would have still occurred in this case.
Are you attempting to say the same thing would have happened with semiautomatic offsides? Nonsense.
@@InstigatorDJ it would have - the problem here wasn't the technology but the lack of communication and the VAR not paying attention to the on field call (which shouldn't have been made anyway) - the same thing would have happened.
semi-automated brings up the decision 10 times quicker to them. Without the neeed for manually drawing lines and checking it. It would make the whole process smoother from the beginning. However yes the language they use is the problem here. Why are they not saying it clearly - Ref "check for offside please". VAR "onside and its a goal". Simple
I've just watched the highlights again. Danny is making up his initial point about the linesman. He says the Assistant Referee raised his flag straight away and did not wait as he is supposed to. WRONG. Watch it again. The flag goes up AFTER the goal. That's also why you hear him say "holding, holding, holding."
Why did Daran England say check complete if he doesn't know about the field decision?
Jesus Danny would be an even bigger calamity in the Var room then Darren England. The forthrightness in which he wrongly asserts the linesman put his flag up immediately not after the goal(ie. What actually happened) is truly astounding 😂.
Especially considering the lino is out of frame during this moment.
So called pundits who think they know everything. I'd love to see how they'd fair officiating instead of sitting in their comfy pundit jobs taking the ££s
People don't know anything about the problem and why a replay match must be held, so I'll explain why. It's not about judgement of red card, handball or something like that, in which referee's judgement is involved and can be controversial, but by referee's call, it's decided. In this VAR case, VAR referee, who was in charge of the judgement of onside or offside, called it was onside, which means a goal, but the goal was disallowed. You know, when it comes to red card or handball, the on-field referee sometimes checks the video himself, which is the on-field check, but when it comes to onside or offside, the on field referee doesn't check it. Why not? Onside or offside is just a technical issue without human judgement involved. Just draw a line and you see. If it's onside, onside. If it's offside, offside. No human judgement involved at all like the goal line system. You guys know about the goal line system, right? It alarms the referee that it's a goal when the ball crosses the goal line. It's the totally same situation as when the goal line system calls that it's a goal but the referee disallows the goal. Can you accept it?
You are talking rubbish I am afraid.
Its a totally different subject (and much less trivial of course) but it reminds me of aircraft ; the automation is perfect but its the implementation and understanding by the pilots that can lead to disasters. The answer in aviation is more and better training for the pilots and perhaps a refresher course on how the VARs need to be paying attention to what is happening on the pitch at all times wouldnt go amiss.
Been waiting to hear Danny
Don't think this should be dismissed as incompetence when it stinks of a fix still - the audio is incriminating if anything, not reassuring. And to think match fixing wouldn't occur in our league is beyond naive. Barca are being investigated now. Serie A has been rife with it for decades, you don't think a Premier League ref could be bought off?
they will never question the integrity of the league because all these muppets depend on the league for their $$.
It's obvious to me. That Mr. England needs to be investigated.
Not everything is a conspiracy
The lads were probably drinking cans watching the Ryder cup .
Bro thinks he lives in a Tom Clancy novel 😂 why would there be conspiracies for kickball? You’re not that important mate
@simplychaff1875 - in the 2020/2021 season, bets on Premier League matches generated over 68.5 billion euros. But that's just money.. who needs it.
The linesmen flagging raised his flag almost straight away he was in line with it how can he not see it was on side
Darren England is to blame as you can hear him rush the check and then brush off the error after the assistant brings it to his attention.
All they need to do is follow up the "Check complete" with "Play was onside/offside" and the on-field ref can make a ruling based on that response.
Why nobody listens to Oliiiiiiiiii???
As soon as the lines are drawn I thought I heard somebody say "Ah its off". Then Darren England says "Check complete, perfect" immediately after that. Then as they presumably watch the free kick being taken the video tech says "Wait wait the on field decison was offside, are you happy with this?" Then we hear someone say "Yeah". Then the confused tech "Are you happy with this, the image we have given you is on side"
Are we sure VAR and AVAR didn't get the decision wrong initially?
Do you think they should lokk at the Rugby TMOs how they communicate with on feild decisions?
Suprised they can’t understand semi automatic. It would if worked as linesman wouldn’t of raised flag and it would just be given as onside or offside by the VAR as opposed to check complete
It was 1 voice saying stop the game and he wasn't even there to do that 😂 he was a video technician
Clowns
Dannys had enough😂
He wants justice for football. He was a footballer.
This wasn't "human error". It was England and Cook were obviously NOT watching the game. The PL is afraid of the PGMOL.
How did Darren England not know or hear what he should check in the VAR room, when on field referee Simon Hooper mentions Offside at the beginning of the audio link talk, and on the big screen it's written "Checking DISALLOWED Goal - Offside" VAR?!
"Onfield decision offside. Onfield decision offside"
"VAR decision goal. VAR decision goal"
Solved it for them
It’s clear as day light that the officials knew the initial call was offside… why is the media not reporting on this? The mistake has occurred in the miscommunication of not clearly relaying the message it’s onside back to the referee!
It seems one of them didnt know that. It seems they reviewed it as onside and used confusing muffled words like they were treading water. Fire them. I feel sorry for the referee. But i wish he stopped the game and asked Spurs to let Liverpool walk the ball in. It was the morally right thing to do after he restarted
@@ljs185 If City wins the league by beating Liverpool by one point they are set for life, I would guess even if they win by more than one point the prince will be very grateful to those two clowns. Will be able to ref games in UAE and get paid 50k per game, so they couldn't care less if they are fired.
@@ljs185 if what your assuming is right… how could one of them then turn into all of them interpreting it as onside? This difference in interpretation would have been heard and corrected on the audio. They all knew it was called offside but I agree with the sympathy towards the ref… he probs would’ve delayed had he not heard on the mic that play can’t be restarted as communicated by Var (Darren England) and his assistant (Dan Cook)! They’re the culprits!
@@redshift8302 isn’t it a coincidence those two were the culprits involved in ignoring the calls delay and stop… suspicious as f*ck!
Oh my goodness. 😮
'Check complete' does not cut it.
Danny Murphy was wrong with the first thing he said 🤦🏻♂️
No he wasn't the linesman put his flag up straight away
He defo wasn’t watch the game on TH-cam take you two minutes to realise he was right…
Human error mate....
@@seanohare3509 I think personally England thought the goal was given because of the lineo not supposed to be putting the flag up, then I think he thought the ref was asking if the goal was ok or if it was offside, resulting in him saying ye it’s fine correct decision
@@Hawkins123 the linesman made the wrong call but put his flag up at the correct time. He let the phase of play continue.
The issue is the 2 VAR assistants didn’t see the linesman put his flag up at all so when they said check complete they meant the goal should stand, where as the linesman and ref thought they meant their decision was right 😂
Instead of just saying, “check complete” say “player onside goal is valid check over” or “player offside goal disallowed, check over”.
So the lines man lowkey messed it up but they also weren’t paying full attention so it’s just a collection of errors from all involved
I've been banging on about the semi automated offside technology for a while now. Most VAR decisions revolve around offside, so you are immediately taking away unnecessary pressure from the officials. Think about it, when was the last time we had an uproar on whether the ball crossed the goal line. It's a no brainer.
Theres a really simple solution. Put a button on the Linesmans flag that sends a radio message to the VAR saying its offside. This way VAR can start checking it before a goal is even scored, the linesman also then doesnt even need to flag, though should still the second a goal is scored. It also gives a clear indication of what the onfield decision was. Light comes on, beep, what ever, its an onfield offside call. No light or beep, on field decision is on side. Double down on this an make sure everyone is clearly indication what they are looking at. Check Complete isnt good enough. Check Complete its Onside, and none of this happens
Check what was on the screen. Checking disallowed goal. The VAR cannot say he did not know the ref blew offside.
In Rugby the Referee clearly asks VAR a specific question.
The process needs a procedure.
Step 1: state the question being asked
Step 2: Follow checklist A, B or …
Shouldn’t part of the VAR protocol be that the very first question should be the VAR ref asking to confirm what the on field decision was.
not only was, "Coming back for offside," apparently unheard but, neither was,"Off" (1:14)
The real point of failure in this incident is the communication process, which isn't fit for purpose and has to be changed. Instead of saying check complete, they should state explicitly what the conclusion of the check is. Check complete, the player's onside, the goal stands.
That would have prevented this horrendous error from happening,. It wouldn't matter that the VAR officials didn't realise what the on-field decision was, or if the assistant ref shouldn't have flagged for offside. The VAR check concluded that the goal should stand and if that was communicated clearly to the ref, there would have been no issue.
Absolutely correct. They’re not getting it. It’s a simple case of communication as you say.
How simple and easy would it be for the protocol to be that VAR operator ends with confirming their decision eg Confirmed Onside, Confirmed Handball, Confirmed whatever.... then this mix up can't happen.
Instead of the jargon they are no doubt forced to use. If they were allowed to talk to each other like normal people the VAR could just say “it’s onside. Give the goal”
Jim White giving a completely different view to the one he gave the other day
Stop saying the audio shows they thought in field decision was onside. VAR thought it was offside because they didn’t see Romero.
On the day a huge sign came up in the big screen saying:
Checking Disallowed Goal
Offside
VAR
So VAR knew that the on field decision was offside.
The worse part is everyone is missing the fact that when they say check complete you hear the ref say off and blows his whistle how on earth does VAR miss the ref say off? Then what happens after is a mess
It sounded like he was out side running arc the start of the audio
Darren England said “just checking THE offside, delay delay” not “checking FOR offside”. He knew the on-field decision was offside - end of.
With hawkeye and semi-automatic offside technology they still need to make sure that the VAR team can overrule it if they see it is wrong. As they point out semi-automatic offside technology would still rely on the VAR team telling the ref the right thing. To avoid this the VAR team need to clearly tell the ref what they have concluded "Check Complete - Player ONSIDE award goal" the ref should then have to repeat that back to VAR team. It is stupid that in this case the officials are not able to stop the game and correct the mistake. Instead you have Darren England operating VAR for rest of game in knowledge that he could be out of job after the final whistle.
Only Ref who game out well here is Michael Oliver who was 4th official and was paying more attention than the rest and would have made the right call if he was the guy in charge
What part of Oli saying to delay the game they did not hear ? Over and over again and we never heard of any issues with microphones or headset
A simple solution is for the VAR to specify a standard statement after each decision/review. e.g The VAR had decided opposition have scored a goal