in the pass 12 years i done this to my friends car and to all my cars :87 honda civic, 97 vw gti, 87 honda crx si, 97 chevy s10, 88 acura legend, 97 jetta gt, 98 jeep grand cherokee, 00 chevy s10 xtreme, 01 honda odyssey minivan, 97 jeep grand cherokee, i missed them all never had a problem
It's safe to cut coils if you know what you are doing. If you don't, go cut a cheque. I never had any problems cutting. Although cutting them right takes a whole lotta time but then spending 250 which is like 1-2 days at work instead of 3-4 hours on Saturday is the difference really. Been riding cut for the last 16 years, nothing is wrong with them, even passed inspections.
You are right when u say lowering ur center of gravity improves handling but cutting ur springs does not, it completely ruins ur alignment angles causing u to lose traction in corners, ive seen first hand people doing this, ive done it myself when i didnt know better, ur stock suspension allows ur car to handle much better than any mod u do if u dont know what ur doing (that also includes bolt on mods like camber kits). I know my physics very well
i baught tein springs 1 1/2 drop after sag of wear its at 2inch on a 95 accord i cut the stock springs a day or two before my tein came in it was a good drop bouncy as hell handled good
Hi Stacey I love your channel's I have a 2002 Ford F150 2WD with 20 inch rims i wanted to install a 2 inch lift on it. The rear axle is easy to do. I've installed all new front end suspention I've never worked on the springs the lift kit has a 2 inch ring that goes on top of the spring I've never removed the springs do you have a tutorial for removing the springs safely?
Cutting springs is find IF done correctly. A coil spring is just a coiled up "lever". Shorten the lever and increase the spring rate. Basic engineering. That's why when u lower your car, the ride generally gets stiffer, thus handling better in the corners. Cutting the spring does not destroy it. It's when u heat it up with a torch, then throw cold water on it I cool it. That's what causes springs to fail.
Cutting the end of the spring with a torch doesn't hurt it one bit. That part of the spring is not active, it sits in a pocket and is refered to as an inactive coil. The spring portion starts 12 inches away, and what he doesn't tell you is the spring is now HARDER then it was before it was cut.
@ImusGremus actually, be proud of your coilovers, cut springs add a lot of bounce to the ride and decrease handling, turn radius, etc. it's only good for the look. but i still did it >.>
lowering your vehicle will improve your handing to a point. meaning you are lowering the center of gravity somewhat reducing your over steer but like any other performance mod comes supporting mods strut and sway bars camber adjustment blah blah blah the 1st thing you should ever do no matter your cutting your spring or purchasing adjustable coil overs ALWAYS check your alignment after installing or else yes your alignment will be jacked up.
How do you think they lowered old cruisers back when they didn't have a billion companies making aftermarket parts for everything? If you had coils, you could reasonably either heat them with a torch, or you could cut them. If you had leafs in the back, you could either heat them, or you could modify their mounting position in a variety of ways. These were considered completely legitimate lowering methods back in the day. Not the #1 best options in 2012, but just giving you some perspective.
if you cut progressive springs it can be very dangerous but he is talking about cutting linear springs. cutting springs can (not always) ruin the geometry of the car and the ride but as long as you dont cut too much (depending on the spring rate) its totally fine. dont come running your mouth if you dont know what you're talking about
Not a terrible way unless you go overboard with it. The only problem I see with cutting springs is the compression rate won't be there to match it. There's nothing wrong with shaving a little bit off to get it down an inch or two, the problem comes when people SLAM their cars by cutting stock springs. And you're right about the handling part of it, I just disagree with your first statement.
Lol i been trimming custom coils for a long time and i built award winning suspension and any fabricator that's deals with steel is going to know using a cutting torch is never going to heat the coil entire coil enough to take the temper out of the spring steel, that's statement is incorrect. Now if you heat the whole coil like some dummies do yeah your going to ruin the coil, also cutting and not using the torch to flatten the end is also not a good idea since most stock coils are flattened on the end to distribute the weigh evenly, instead you just chop it and you end up with the end of the coil that's going to dig a hole through the spring pocket or not sit right in the spring pocket and jump off like on struts. Been doing this a long time not my first time at the rodeo.
love all the bickering about cutting coils. i have never personally heard of a suspension failing catastrophically due to cut coils. most people cutting coils are mostly going for looks not better handling but that's my opinion
Yes ive drivin lowered cars and some just happenned to be lower for circuit track. People have this misconception that lowering your car and making it stiffer gives it better handling, there is waaaay more to it than that, im not going to elaborate further because i assume you're the type of person that puts a "cold air induction" on a car that already had it stock (ie K&N) and ride around bouncing up and down in your turbo'd "race car" but couldnt tell anyone what turbo mapping is.
It's a stiffer condenced spring, made with the same spring rate only shorter compared to your stock spring. They dont go out, buy OEM springs, cut them, then resell them. Cutting coils from your spring is lowering the spring make, making that spring basically useless. Do you even know how to change the oil in a car, you seem pretty stunned here.
Just to add, I don't think this is the best way to lower your car but if you want it just for show and not for handling its a viable option. But remember you can ONLY cut Tangential End springs!! and rather than cut off half a coil at a time. Cut off half the amount you want to drop it by.
Lowering your car DOES improve handling by lowering the center of gravity, Guess someone didn't pay attention in physics class. However, cutting your springs will DESTROY your struts. If you're building a show car though, it's perfectly fine if you're looking to cut costs. Although a proper suspension kit nowadays doesn't cost as much as it used to.
@fran2621 LOL i can personally tell you when I showed this to an automotive engineer specializing in suspension and braking, he nearly died. Put it this way, your springs are designed with your cars weight and height in mind. It has the exact amount of coils it needs to function properly. You start taking them away, your suspension geometry goes out the door. Sure it lowers the car for all the back yard mechanics in here, but good luck getting anyone take you seriously.
Which is why just cutting your springs isn't good enough. You can cut them, but you'll need proper struts and camber kits as well as whatever other suspension parts for your specific app and at that point, you're spending more in time/labor and possibly cost than what an aftermarket kit would cost.
Has nobody ever raced? In the lower cost racing circles(and amongst old dudes) cut springs are the norm. My racecar will be losing an inch or two of ride height by cut springs next weekend.
ok cuz i want to raise the front end of my tuck about 3 in but i have to by new springs i will just get 6in lift in the front lol cuz i have 6 in drop shackles in the rear end
Now that will dick up your handling ....but thats not what you're concerned with . Don't forget steering arms. drop links and longer flexi hose for the brakes
Lowering isn't new everyone...aftermarket parts came....after....just try what u want. If it doesn't work for you thankfully we have replacements and aftermarket stuff so that you can get what you want.. come on guys, its modding your car .. we are apart of a group that tries new things
nothing wrong with cutting springs as shown in the vid, have done it plenty of times on plenty of different rides and rarely changed the ride/handling/steering quality as some of these fools would have you believe.
you know considering the amount of time it'll take to do this several times to get the height you want you might as well just pay the 100-200$ to buy springs lol
Compress the spring on the strut with the strut in place them you can get a cut in on the bottom of the spring ...it needs wedging and a mate who likes getting sprayed with sparks ..
obviously likes it and in the end its his car to build.the point of this rant if your looking to get into a Motorsport and have a high performance build, youll be dumping soo much money into that car that coil overs will be another check on the list, and your would never pass safety inspection with cut springs BUT !!! if your looking to pic up mad bitches in your rusted civic with a cable tied body kit, then yes chop those springs up and deep fry em. BECAUSE YOUR CAR IS YOUR CAR.
Why because I actually know a thing or two about cars and performance? The crap that people do to their cars for "performance" is staggeringly terrible.
but this argument is stupid its a matter of opinion, if your trying to slam your rod or your moms hand me down mini van have at it, because in those cases your really just looking for the style and maybe you like the feel, if your trying to build your car to become a track car then no do not ever cut the springs this idea isnt meant for performance its meant for looks same thing when you see a stanced Volkswagen all that rediculous camber is not getting him to first place alone but he
obviously you dont drive a lowered car bahahha stock car you get top sway and when its lowered your at a lower centre of gravity if you think your smart i shall educate you on it?
This is a terrible way to lower your car! Cant believe he's teaching this. You should never cut the springs on your car. And furthermore believing that lowering your car gives you better handling is hilarious to me. If you think it does I'd be happy to educate you.
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in the pass 12 years i done this to my friends car and to all my cars :87 honda civic, 97 vw gti, 87 honda crx si, 97 chevy s10, 88 acura legend, 97 jetta gt, 98 jeep grand cherokee, 00 chevy s10 xtreme, 01 honda odyssey minivan, 97 jeep grand cherokee, i missed them all never had a problem
It's safe to cut coils if you know what you are doing. If you don't, go cut a cheque. I never had any problems cutting. Although cutting them right takes a whole lotta time but then spending 250 which is like 1-2 days at work instead of 3-4 hours on Saturday is the difference really. Been riding cut for the last 16 years, nothing is wrong with them, even passed inspections.
You are right when u say lowering ur center of gravity improves handling but cutting ur springs does not, it completely ruins ur alignment angles causing u to lose traction in corners, ive seen first hand people doing this, ive done it myself when i didnt know better, ur stock suspension allows ur car to handle much better than any mod u do if u dont know what ur doing (that also includes bolt on mods like camber kits). I know my physics very well
i baught tein springs 1 1/2 drop after sag of wear its at 2inch on a 95 accord i cut the stock springs a day or two before my tein came in it was a good drop bouncy as hell handled good
Not all cars have coilover kits readily available.
wouldn't it be a good idea to suggest which end of the spring is appropriate to cut such as d pig tail springs that can't be modified?
previous owner of my 08 si cut the springs , ghetto as hell . i replaced them with coilovers. would recommend doing it the right way
Hi Stacey I love your channel's I have a 2002 Ford F150 2WD with 20 inch rims i wanted to install a 2 inch lift on it. The rear axle is easy to do. I've installed all new front end suspention I've never worked on the springs the lift kit has a 2 inch ring that goes on top of the spring I've never removed the springs do you have a tutorial for removing the springs safely?
Cutting springs is find IF done correctly. A coil spring is just a coiled up "lever". Shorten the lever and increase the spring rate. Basic engineering. That's why when u lower your car, the ride generally gets stiffer, thus handling better in the corners. Cutting the spring does not destroy it. It's when u heat it up with a torch, then throw cold water on it I cool it. That's what causes springs to fail.
Cutting the end of the spring with a torch doesn't hurt it one bit. That part of the spring is not active, it sits in a pocket and is refered to as an inactive coil. The spring portion starts 12 inches away, and what he doesn't tell you is the spring is now HARDER then it was before it was cut.
@ImusGremus actually, be proud of your coilovers, cut springs add a lot of bounce to the ride and decrease handling, turn radius, etc. it's only good for the look. but i still did it >.>
to people saying don't cut your springs... you just don't understand hot rodding.
for some people worse is better
how do you get the springs to seat in the pocket properly if you only cut half a coil ?
lowering your vehicle will improve your handing to a point. meaning you are lowering the center of gravity somewhat reducing your over steer but like any other performance mod comes supporting mods strut and sway bars camber adjustment blah blah blah the 1st thing you should ever do no matter your cutting your spring or purchasing adjustable coil overs ALWAYS check your alignment after installing or else yes your alignment will be jacked up.
WTF did I just watch? Been told for years by car guys to never cut coils. But this dude just did it for a truck. Government conspiracy!
How much will it lower if I cut half a coil like in the video? (Mustang)
Jonathan Jimenez maybe one inch.
It’s typically said one inch on the spring is 2 on the body
stacey is the best
How do you think they lowered old cruisers back when they didn't have a billion companies making aftermarket parts for everything? If you had coils, you could reasonably either heat them with a torch, or you could cut them. If you had leafs in the back, you could either heat them, or you could modify their mounting position in a variety of ways. These were considered completely legitimate lowering methods back in the day. Not the #1 best options in 2012, but just giving you some perspective.
lowering your car lowers center of gravity.... so yeah it does better the cars handling, but going to low does have negative effects on the handling.
what hacksaw should i use or what angle grinder in order to cut it ?
@Starleybags lol, you have to be from nz aswell haha
if you cut progressive springs it can be very dangerous but he is talking about cutting linear springs. cutting springs can (not always) ruin the geometry of the car and the ride but as long as you dont cut too much (depending on the spring rate) its totally fine. dont come running your mouth if you dont know what you're talking about
Not a terrible way unless you go overboard with it. The only problem I see with cutting springs is the compression rate won't be there to match it. There's nothing wrong with shaving a little bit off to get it down an inch or two, the problem comes when people SLAM their cars by cutting stock springs.
And you're right about the handling part of it, I just disagree with your first statement.
What is the ride quality of cut springs vs a set of lowered springs?
Lol i been trimming custom coils for a long time and i built award winning suspension and any fabricator that's deals with steel is going to know using a cutting torch is never going to heat the coil entire coil enough to take the temper out of the spring steel, that's statement is incorrect. Now if you heat the whole coil like some dummies do yeah your going to ruin the coil, also cutting and not using the torch to flatten the end is also not a good idea since most stock coils are flattened on the end to distribute the weigh evenly, instead you just chop it and you end up with the end of the coil that's going to dig a hole through the spring pocket or not sit right in the spring pocket and jump off like on struts. Been doing this a long time not my first time at the rodeo.
love all the bickering about cutting coils. i have never personally heard of a suspension failing catastrophically due to cut coils. most people cutting coils are mostly going for looks not better handling but that's my opinion
Yes ive drivin lowered cars and some just happenned to be lower for circuit track. People have this misconception that lowering your car and making it stiffer gives it better handling, there is waaaay more to it than that, im not going to elaborate further because i assume you're the type of person that puts a "cold air induction" on a car that already had it stock (ie K&N) and ride around bouncing up and down in your turbo'd "race car" but couldnt tell anyone what turbo mapping is.
What is the ride quality of cut springs vs a set of lowered springs?
It's a stiffer condenced spring, made with the same spring rate only shorter compared to your stock spring. They dont go out, buy OEM springs, cut them, then resell them. Cutting coils from your spring is lowering the spring make, making that spring basically useless. Do you even know how to change the oil in a car, you seem pretty stunned here.
Just to add, I don't think this is the best way to lower your car but if you want it just for show and not for handling its a viable option. But remember you can ONLY cut Tangential End springs!! and rather than cut off half a coil at a time. Cut off half the amount you want to drop it by.
Lowering your car DOES improve handling by lowering the center of gravity, Guess someone didn't pay attention in physics class. However, cutting your springs will DESTROY your struts. If you're building a show car though, it's perfectly fine if you're looking to cut costs. Although a proper suspension kit nowadays doesn't cost as much as it used to.
@fran2621 LOL i can personally tell you when I showed this to an automotive engineer specializing in suspension and braking, he nearly died. Put it this way, your springs are designed with your cars weight and height in mind. It has the exact amount of coils it needs to function properly. You start taking them away, your suspension geometry goes out the door. Sure it lowers the car for all the back yard mechanics in here, but good luck getting anyone take you seriously.
any eazy cheep tips for raiseing them
Which is why just cutting your springs isn't good enough. You can cut them, but you'll need proper struts and camber kits as well as whatever other suspension parts for your specific app and at that point, you're spending more in time/labor and possibly cost than what an aftermarket kit would cost.
@GEARHEADGUY92 can you stretch them
Has nobody ever raced? In the lower cost racing circles(and amongst old dudes) cut springs are the norm. My racecar will be losing an inch or two of ride height by cut springs next weekend.
thanks
Tangential coils only
so i can't lower a 95 cadillac seville?
ok cuz i want to raise the front end of my tuck about 3 in but i have to by new springs i will just get 6in lift in the front lol cuz i have 6 in drop shackles in the rear end
Now that will dick up your handling ....but thats not what you're concerned with .
Don't forget steering arms. drop links and longer flexi hose for the brakes
Lowering isn't new everyone...aftermarket parts came....after....just try what u want. If it doesn't work for you thankfully we have replacements and aftermarket stuff so that you can get what you want.. come on guys, its modding your car .. we are apart of a group that tries new things
nothing wrong with cutting springs as shown in the vid, have done it plenty of times on plenty of different rides and rarely changed the ride/handling/steering quality as some of these fools would have you believe.
cut springs are fine as long as you don't drive like a mad man & the amount that's cut off is reasonable.
have you got 2K?
Do not cut half, cut whole 1 or 2 rings.. cauze they can jumped out and it will be accident.
you know considering the amount of time it'll take to do this several times to get the height you want you might as well just pay the 100-200$ to buy springs lol
Compress the spring on the strut with the strut in place them you can get a cut in on the bottom of the spring ...it needs wedging and a mate who likes getting sprayed with sparks ..
If i only knew that before i bought my tein coilovers :/
i agree thats its shitty, but lowering your car the right way, actually DOES improve handling.
What is the ride quality of cut springs vs a set of lowered springs?
I'd rather have people cut their springs right if they're gonna do it, though.
obviously likes it and in the end its his car to build.the point of this rant
if your looking to get into a Motorsport and have a high performance build, youll be dumping soo much money into that car that coil overs will be another check on the list, and your would never pass safety inspection with cut springs
BUT !!! if your looking to pic up mad bitches in your rusted civic with a cable tied body kit, then yes chop those springs up and deep fry em. BECAUSE YOUR CAR IS YOUR CAR.
Haha cutties but tbh take them out an roll og on the bumpstops
@fran2621 why would you lower a non-racing car? ricer.
"Springs pre cut", that alone made anything you said invalid.
@BushidopeMMXI I was joking :D ofc coilovers are better xD a million times better :D
the only way im ever lowering a car is with adjustable coilovers.
Why because I actually know a thing or two about cars and performance? The crap that people do to their cars for "performance" is staggeringly terrible.
@fran2621 RICERS
If you're broke and feel like sittin' low do like Nike..
@oceanside1322 obviously you guys would be considered "ricers"
What is the ride quality of cut springs vs a set of lowered springs?
but this argument is stupid its a matter of opinion, if your trying to slam your rod or your moms hand me down mini van have at it, because in those cases your really just looking for the style and maybe you like the feel, if your trying to build your car to become a track car then no do not ever cut the springs this idea isnt meant for performance its meant for looks same thing when you see a stanced Volkswagen all that rediculous camber is not getting him to first place alone but he
What is the ride quality of cut springs vs a set of lowered springs?
I'm can find something cheaper! I mean it doesn't have to be the best ride quality but if it's decent, i'm all set then!!
Quick tip, chopped springs are illegal
Jack Price wrong. Alot of countrys allow it aslong as the spring is still captive.
obviously you dont drive a lowered car bahahha stock car you get top sway and when its lowered your at a lower centre of gravity if you think your smart i shall educate you on it?
@fran2621 first that piece of shit muffler is a borla muffler not a dc sport fart cannon. second ,what do you drive?
i rather cut my wrists, than cut my springs ;)
I would rather just spend the money on coilovers
NEVER USE A TORCH!
Mr Whin2
Quick tip: don't cut your springs!
This is a terrible way to lower your car! Cant believe he's teaching this. You should never cut the springs on your car. And furthermore believing that lowering your car gives you better handling is hilarious to me. If you think it does I'd be happy to educate you.
rice
Wtf.......
do not cut your springs it will fuck your car up it'll handle like a shopping cart
I think cutting springs would only work if the shocks/struts were designed to work w/ the spring rate after the cut.
Please tell me this is a joke...
Ch nah js cut them in half, she'l be right
whats a good dremal to use? cheap too