I don't think he had a choice. Alpine never gave him a seat for a long time, and by the time they did, only because Alonso ditched them, he had already signed with McLaren. That said, after a bad start of the season, I'm happy for him that things are starting to look up.
True. Also looks pretty bad on Alpine with them not planning to put Piastri in a car till maybe 2025 or later with him now showing he truly is a next gen talent at McLaren.
@@chris-hayes We all know _what/when/ how_ the Piastri saga happened so I won't go into detail. However, it's just one example why so many people are leaving the team. As a McLaren fan I'm glad Alpine is so stupid because it's obvious that Oscar is going to be a great driver one day. Hopefully soon.
Gotta be honest, the mad dash for the pits was pretty exciting to watch 😅 It made the sprint feel like an entirely new race format. Almost surprised there were no major incidents there.
@@bevanmcnicholl2525 I agree, but I think sprints could be good with a different quali format (one-lap, knockout from FE). That and change the schedule to shootout > sprint > quali > race.
The reason Max stayed out for an extra lap was because they were to affraid they got delayed in the pit to much because their pitbox is right at the beginning of the pitlane and (almost) all cars coming in and not wanting to do an unsafe release.. Ironically the FIA seemed to be blind to unsafe releases today, as there were a few very obvious ones..
Exactly and Piastri on other hand their garage is one of the last ones on the grid. And he had Ferrari, RB Alpine and Mercedes right behind but their garage was also before McLaren’s so Piastri didn’t have to let any car pass to rejoin and therefore he had clean pit stop. If Max did the same he would’ve lost 2-4 positions I’m sure
Gasly's drive is going under the radar with how well Max and Piastri have driven. An Alpine that hasn't been great over the past few races holding off Hamilton and Perez during the sprint.
@@kakhak He beat Norris (when he is still a rookie) comfortably and Max is in a redbull which has been the most dominant car in F1 history as it has the most consecutive wins
As a suffering Alpine fan it was great to see such a brilliant performance from Gasly. He earned more points in the sprint than the entire team have since Monaco at the end of May.
I've had a soft spot for Gasly for a long time. This was definitely a meaningful day for him. I hope Alpine can get it together. I really do feel bad for Occon and Gasly having to deal with such a chaotic organization.
Nice to see Gasly get good points especially after organizing a tribute to Anthoine- that NO other F1 driver save Ocon attended from the beginning (at least Lewis showed up to some of it toward the end when most did not). Good karma for Pierre.
This is my first full season of following F1. Watched you guys a little bit last year from WTF and I'm really happy you guys are crushing the game in the F1 space.
@@florisbackx1744 yeah exactly. Safety is critical, but what they're doing right now is absolutely bonkers. Don't bother having them even on the track when it is even slightly damp if they're going to wait until Inters before racing.
I don’t mind the the shorter sprint race today, the 5 formation laps were meant purely to guarantee driver safety by making the track as dry as possible. We don’t want to lose another driver, RIP Antoine & Dilano
Yep F1 Fans are sometime the Joke and not FIA. I mean we all know what happens at Spa when you race on a to wet surface. It just gets tiering that F1 Fans bitch when a crash happens but then also bitch when FIA says its to wet at the moment.
Personally, I think it wouldn't be hard for the FIA to say OK, its raining and from experience it looks like we will have 3-5 laps behind the safety car, race will start in 20mins everyone fuel up for an extra 5 laps 🤷🏽
They should stop bringing wet tyres to races then. If it’s too dangerous to race in any circumstances where they are needed to get round the track then what’s the point. By the time they released the cars it was inter conditions. Let’s just make inters the default wet tyres and save the carbon of making and transporting of the wets.
@@TheSpacecraftX I completely agree. The full wet tires are no longer necessary if we want to have safe races. The intermediates can just as easily be used to dry a track behind a safety car, and it will indeed have the added benefit of saving having to schlep that many tires around the world. Get rid of the full wets, the drivers hate them anyway.
About the Alonso incident, I just love how the moderators on Sky Germany immediately were like "Stroll hit the wall! (…) No, wait, that's Alonso" 😂 Super uncharacteristic of him to make such a mistake, but I guess even the best sometimes slip up.
A few thing about the HAM vs PER situation. Firstly, the whole bit about consequences not being taking into account should be look at in context. If there are no consequences at all, it will not even be referred to the stewards. If there are consequences, it will. So in this regard, consequences do play a role. Secondly, during the race, I thought the penalty was harsh. Watching it again from the onboard, I changed my mind. Hamilton didn't steer into Checo or anything like that. But he took way more curb than he needed to and as a consequence, he washed into Checo. As Checo sidepod being messed up, if you listen to the sound during the incident, you hear that Lewis' wheel actually grinds at the sidepod for quite a while. It's not a tap. It in fact really surprised me that Lewis didn't pick up a puncture...
fair point! I thought Lewis press the throttle too hard that the car drag him into the racing line of Perez at first, but I think you're right after reading your comment and watch the onboard again.
@@gackauothey touched twice. The top shot is after Hamilton had already damaged Perez’s car. Hamiltons front wing end plate touched Perez again (the top shot) after they first touched at the exit of turn 15. Where Hamilton’s front left tyre punched a hole on Perez’s sidepod
@@gackauoHamilton took that corner like there was no one next to him, too much speed and then clipped the curb lost grip ,made a slight correction and oversteered into Perez ,Harsh but was Hamilton's fault for losing control
I disagree about the penalty. I wasn't really sure if it was a penalty on the broadcast, but from watching the onboards and Sam Collin's analysis makes it clear it's a penalty. Perez gave space and Lewis understeered into him. Unfortunate for Perez, although he had no pace in general. Lewis really should've just waited for the bus stop. The broadcast didn't really do it service. Perez isn't entitled to give space. He gave multiple cars widths and Lewis kept his foot in to understeer. Luckily it's just a sprint so it doesn't really matter and Lewis is getting P3 in the WDC anyway.
Everyone with half a brain can see that the car behind loses control and collides with the car in front. If that's Checo going into Hamilton then everyone is up in arms about Perez' wrecklessness. But its Hamilton, so a lot of these woke morons choose to play blind.
If Max went to the pit first time around he would lose 2-4 positions. Piastri was lucky that McLaren’s garage is one of the last ones on the grid, and when he made his pit cars behind had to stop behind him as well. RB’s garage is first on the right when you come to the pit, if Max made that pit in that first lap he would have McLaren, Ferrari, Mercedes, Alpine immediately behind him and he would have to wait for them to pass or get a 5 seconds unsafe release penalty. That’s why Max stayed out.
@@hittrewweuy7595 maybe, but 2-4 positions was best case scenario, half of the grid went in to pit at that lap. So he could’ve lost many more positions. And with 11 laps and a safety car I’m sure RB wouldn’t like their chances
Sorry but hamilton loses the car as he said if u lose the car then its on you, hamilton had room on the inside clearly then oversteered into perez, how more obvious is the penalty
Everyone was ignoring Oscar and saying that he wasnt having a good rookie year because he hadnt done anything. Now he has a good car and everyone is like "wow, amazing!"
Yeah, he has always been close to Norris this season so we knew he was good, though now he is beating him. He’s handled racing Max and the top cars well too. He gave Perez a battle last week!
Did you guys even watch Hamilton’s onboard when he punched a hole on Perez’s car?? Perez was on the edge of the corner near the curb. Where was he supposed to go?? Hamilton damaged Perez’s car on the exit of the corner (turn 15) before the straight (before Hamiltons front wing touched Parez again) Not defending Perez here, he’s just an average driver in a championship winning car. But have to agree with Penalty on Hamilton.
@@Rasv-well thats my point. Maybe he is past his prime. He is an average F1 driver now. Doesn’t mean he is bad. Just means he is average in the group of F1 drivers now a days. Come on, Even world champions fade off their peak performance levels with time. And Perez has been nowhere near to even being a world champion. So I dont think I sound bad when I call him an average F1 driver. He’s had 2 seasons in Red bull, this is his 3rd, yet he has been nowhere near good enough to at-least compete for 2nd place. Let alone compete for the championship. And the only reason he has been sitting in 2nd place this season is because of the incredible car Red bull have given him. Give the same car to someone else - maybe Leclerc, Hamilton, Alonso, etc. (someone above average) im sure it wouldve been a different story. Where Redbull wouldve had to manage their drivers differences and fighting for pole and 1st places. much like Mercedes had to manage Hamilton and Nico Rosberg in 2014-2016
I work a job which is weather dependent and it's not as simple as it may seem. My situation is similar to F1 in that I've got to make my decision with at least an hours notice as to whether the job goes ahead, if the expected bad weather doesn't turn up you get blamed for being too cautious and inconveniencing people, if you gamble on the weather being ok and it shits it down you put yourself, your tools and other peoples time/money at risk trying to fudge your way through it. Sometimes you look at the big black smudge heading towards you on the map and think, yep, definitely gonna rain in about an hour so I'll cancel and then the hour rolls around and it's clear skies for the rest of the day because the big rain cloud either emptied itself or decided it'd be more fun to swing north for no apparent reason, sometimes you look at the radar and there's a few little clouds hanging around but they're going to miss by a good 50 miles and then suddenly you're running for cover because one of those clouds took exception to your assumptions and dropped a thunderstorm right on top of you. It's easy to look back and say "well of course I should have done X or Y" after it's happened but when you've got expectation and responsibility on your shoulders you make some poor calls at times
I usually agree with you guys but felt you were inconsisent this time. I know the delay was not welcome but given the conditions today, and given how the FIA turned the 2021 race into a dud (it was the main race, not even a sprint which would have been more bearable), I'd say this was pretty much the best they could do. I know you guys overlooked "logistics" but on an already packed sprint weekend, I think the 4 hour rule shouldn't be overlooked so easily. Even in the FP vs sprint discussion, FP3 rarely has representative running, so if we compare a 45 min normal saturday quali to the 30 min quali + 30 min race on sprint weekends, I'd say the latter offers more "racing" view time for the audience. It was a pity we couldn't get the full 15 laps, but again, I don't really see how it could have been any better.
You make a really good point, if the 4hr rule gets overlooked just cause a bit of rain is coming in then someone like Lance Stroll maybe doesn’t get to race cause they stacked it into the wall and the team need to rebuild the car.
This is exactly what I thought too. If the FIA were to let them race without the 5 formation laps, the fans would outrage and called out the FIA of being unresponsible. In my opinion, the decision they took in the end are the best for everyone on the paddock, and at this point everyone that goes to the Belgian GP should expect the high chances of rain and delayed race
I think if Perez had to think about “there is a driver beside me I should give more room” then Hamilton has to think about there is a car beside me if I go in too hot and under steer in his car I should slow down a bit!
Clearly it was Hamiltons mistake. He comes from behind, loses control and makes contact with Perez. There is no other way to view it other than Hamilton was at fault. But its Hamilton, so of course he gets the widest birth possible.. because racism.
Why do people proclaim to know what was in the mind of the stewards? For the stewards it's a slam dunk penalty when a car understeers into another, unless it's lap 1, while trying to overtake. Hamilton chose to overtake there. Hamilton understeered into Perez. Why does Perez need to leave more than a car's width? There's NOTHING in the rules that says he needs to do that. If you want 'racing' then cars shouldn't just wave another through.
Spot on @Ruylopez778 Why is everyone debating whether this was a penalty? Hamilton went for a move but didn't have the skill to pull it off. He drove himself onto the wet curbs even though there was ample room *not* to do that. That's an unquestionable penalty every single time, independant of what the end result is.
@@Croga Yeah, every time we have this situation, people accuse the stewards of making decisions based on consequences or favourites. I'm not even debating what should or shouldn't be a penalty, but the hysteria surrounding a decision that was inevitable. It was a penalty at Silverstone 2021, and it's still a penalty.
After watching the onboards, my assessment is that it's a fair penalty for Hamilton. Of course both drivers have a responsibility during an overtake to keep it safe and clean, but the main burden is on the driver who is overtaking - Lewis, in this case. He's entitled to space, but that doesn't mean the racing line, or even a fast line. That's why you see so few overtakes on the outside, they get starved and have a bad run into the next straight. Drivers know and thus rarely even attempt it. Checo did his part. He left him the required space and kept to his line. Lewis had to drive over the curb to make the overtake stick (which is perfectly legal by Checo - it's not "off track", regardless of whether the weather makes it feasible or not), so Hamilton can either pull back and try again, or take the curb, and accept the risk of an "incident" in these conditions. Lewis knew what a wet curb does to his car. He chose to go over it. He was just impatient and caused a preventable collision.
Theres a compilation of Hamilton just tapping the rear right side of the Red Bulls over, and over, and over... and here he does it again. He blatantly knows that his car is unlikely to be damaged, whereas the red Bull will be damaged severely. Its sad.
The reason for the Hamilton penalty is that he can feel the front of his tires are about to give way and he does not lift. Instead, he continues to apply accelerator knowing, if the front of his car gives way, the side of Perez's car is there to save him. Hamilton literally aimed his car at the side of Perez's car and got the impact he knew was coming. The huge hole in the side of Perez car is really astonishing to see. Hamilton definitely earned that penalty. Hamilton COULD have lifted, dropped immediately behind and kept fighting but he took the more dangerous option. He's done this several times before.
It is Hamilton's signature move, he has used it many times over the years, even in his karting days, to yeet competitors out of the way that way, with no damage generally speaking to his own car, except once. It looks like a race incident, but it happens too often with him to not be a deliberate move. That's my opinion anyway. And he always complains he lost control, couldn't help it, bla bla.
Piastri is doing amazing things. He’s smart to decline that Alpine contract. He needed some races to adjust to the new car and he’s still not 100% yet, I’m sure he’s going to be much better down the line. The way he’s beating Norris so far in Spa is just so impressive
Hamilton has now caused similar accidents to Albon, Max and Checo by tapping their car while they're ahead and on the outside of the corner, leaving plenty of space for Lewis to make it.
Perez squeezed Hamilton on a wet track. He was always going to slide wide. You need to learn how physics and F1 works before exposing your stupidity. This incident was nothing like what happened in Silverstone 2021, but simpletons will equate the two 🤦
I’m sorry but how was Perez supposed to give more room to Hamilton? He’s ahead all the way through, basically near the white line/ curb. He doesn’t want to chance putting a wheel out there because of the wet conditions. Per has given Ham ample room to use on the inside the corner. Ham doesn’t have a snap of oversteer yes, but he washes out towards the edge of the tract, ie he’s got understeer because he’s gone in a little to fast where his line through the corner and Perez’s link and because they’re next to each other the make contact. Perez has done nothing wrong and yet received effective ‘terminal damage’. And it doesn’t matter how the rule or the officiating is written - the consequence of an incident is always taken into account. Take Spa last year, no pen for Hamilton with Alonso, why because Ham retired due to the damage he caused and Alo was able to continue relatively unscathed. Bet you there would have been a pen for Ham if they both retired or only Alonso retired. Furthermore I do think this incident has many similarities to one’s we have seen in Austria turn 4. Cars more along side each other in this instance but it’s still the inside car taking the corner at a speed where they’re always going to wash out to the outside curb where the car that has taken the outside line has to be because that is the edge of the track. In effect basic corner physics.
Yeah no I couldn’t disagree more. Perez has been pushing the barriers lately with how much he squeezes drivers when making moves. This kind of drivers is going to cause collisions when the other driver pushes you back. Hamilton will do that and Hamilton was alongside and had the right to space. Perez turns in too early and Hamilton drifts a bit too far wide. Both at fault and is therefore a racing incident. Perez’s retirement should not be a factor in the retirement. That always used to be the case. I’m not sure why that has seemingly changed in recent years.
The incident may have similarities to Austria T4, but most if not all of those incidents resulted in the outside car getting punted off the track into the gravel. Perez was still able to carry on and even stayed ahead of Hamilton. Perez retiring should not affect the stewards decision for a penalty because, as Matt said, he was still ahead 10-15 seconds later. It is simply a racing incident with neither driver to blame it's as simple as that really.
Watch Perez onboard,, Perez holds his line and Hamilton gets a quick snap of understeer into his car,,, and generally speaking when you put a hole in someone’s side pod and they have to retire the car when it’s 100% your fault your probably going to get a penalty…
See that's part of the issue here. That judgement is focused on the outcome which the FIA has said it doesn't consider. The incident was a racing incident, the outcome was a penalty. Not to mention it's pretty inconsistent with the george max incident from earlier in the year where george put a hole in Max's sidepod and no penalty was issued.
@@garrettc1973you always have to include the incident in the penalty. I don’t understand why everyone keeps saying that the outcome shouldn’t determine the penalty. If you ruin someone’s race it should be penalized accordingly
@@juancena2149 totally agree. If it’s a racing incident the way I look at it is if it’s not the others fault and you cause damage or take them out you get a penalty.
@@juancena2149 everyone keeps saying that the outcome shouldn't be considered because the FIA have said so in the past... it's just applying their own standards to their inconsistent rulings. George took a hole out of Max's sidepod earlier in the year, max finished the race so no penalty for George. Lewis does it to Perez, Perez retires and Lewis gets a penalty. Totally inconsistent. The standard is that all that matters when deciding a penalty is the actions that caused the incident and the incident itself. Based on those factors it was a racing incident and therfore no penalty. It was only a penalty because Perez retired.
Big L on your Hamilton penalty opinion. Check F1TV, he deserved it..punched a hole for crying out loud..not perez fault that hamilton cant control his car
As reviewed on F1TV by Sam Collins, it was a clear penalty. Lewis hit the kerb and slid into the sidepod of Perez. Not on purpose. but a just penalty nonetheless.
When I first saw it I thought he deserved the penalty, but upon reviewing the footage I really don’t think it was worthy of a penalty. I agree with Buxton’s sentiment that it’s a racing incident, and if we want hard gutsy racing we shouldn’t be penalizing honest accidents like that.
But Hamilton is the only black driver in F1.. he should always get the benefit of any decision regardless of how many times he punts a Red Bull out of the race in virtually the exact same circumstances over and over and over and over....
Sorry but Penalty ALL DAY… Not a RB fan but contact causing car damage during the race like this always a penalty. He used Checo’s car as a guiding rail ! Same as Zhou in Hungary.
hamilton didn't loose grip, he went on the curb and desided too go the left.................and take the redbull out Like siverstone...it's his way of racing today
I don't understand why they even bother shipping the full wets around the world when all they do is wait for the conditions to be good for inters. I'm trying to imagine what magical combination of conditions they are waiting for that has enough water to necessitate full wets, yet not enough water to cause spray/visibility issues. Instead of limiting the number of slicks teams get, they should just give up on the wets and admit they aren't going to even bother running in the conditions that require them.
In this sprint, the sun came out really quickly and track dried just as quick; if you go back to monaco last year it gave the race a gamble factor whether ppl pitted for inters or held on to wets and go straight to slicks. It was stupid, in this case that they did 5 laps behind the sacety car instead of giving a delay and starting everyone on inters
there was enough water spray when the safety car was doing laps 15 min before the formation laps, and sure the dont want another casuality in the rain this year in spa
@@chuza_97 part of the reason they run the laps behind the safety car with the wets is to help dry up the track. The wets will spray the water off the track along with the cars aerodynamic effects. This eventually clears up the racing line making inters possible.
13:54 Any contact should be a 5 second penalty. At all. Any contact. If you refuse to accept the obvious of the consequences actually DO matter, then any time two cars touch it's a 5 second penalty no matter what, default, automated system. Hamilton clearly understeered, and he ran into Perez. It's not a racing incident because Perez held his line and Lewis did not. It's cut and dry.
th-cam.com/video/wCCGT0CQ4MM/w-d-xo.html Lewis just loves crashing into cars, especially Red Bulls, while he's on the inside of a corner, has enough space to make it, and the other car is ahead.
Ricciardo’s 10th place in a wet sprint race in that shitbox AlphaTauri is a good effort, curious to see if he can maintain a points position over the full race distance
Sam Collins puts out some really good analysis on F1 tv after the sessions. Using video footage of the LH incident, he explains how LH getting his right front onto the slippery paint caused him to lose just the right amount of grip, forcing him to make a slight correction. That slight correction happened at the exact moment when the two cars were closest to eachother. Its a racing incident imo, but i can also see how it is a penalty because LH's correction was because he put the tyre on a spot that caused the car to lose grip.
He might have gotten a penalty every time, but he surely hasn't learned from it and also has a history of denying fault.... The F1 TV presentors were very quickly to jump on "very harsh penalty". He made a mistake, he got more than enough room from Perez, because of the mistake he hit the other car. So penalty. It's fine to race wheel to wheel. But if you make the mistake there should be a penalty. No matter who it is.
In my opinion in racing it’s the passing cars job not to hit the car ahead Hamilton never completed the pass then hit Perez. Hamilton carried to much speed wanting to get passed Perez then hit him that’s a penalty.
On the penalty, I think it's warranted. Lewis understeered into the side of Checo, but it wasn't deliberate. Him later quoting that Senna line afterwards sets a dangerous precedent. You have to judge the risks before sending it into a gap.
Lewis went into Perez' line and his car. A 'tap' that destroys the sidepod of a car isn't just a harmless 'tap'. It's "causing a collission" eventhough Perez didn't fly into the barriers immediately. th-cam.com/video/LOFx0NKJ868/w-d-xo.html
yeh i can agree with that.... i guess it was risky and less safe, and caused a car damage, that easily could have fucked that session for that driver. Harsh but roles reversed Lewis is going to whine and want that pen
"the 5sec penalty is harsh" - perez had to retire.. - car was damaged.. - hamilton would have finished 4th/3rd but the penalty is harsh.. make it make sense...
Because he gets penalties doing things others dont get penalties for. I think whats funny about this is you have pretty much every official of F1 saying that was a racing incindent except for the fans.
I think the more I think about it that's it's stupid not taking into account consequences for an action. I think they should change the rules that you can take into account consequences. the whole point is punting some out of a race or just touching, you are restricting someone's race
P1 and sky sports go like bread and butter. Lewis had more space on the right and he had less steering lock and then went into perez who left as much space as he could.
@@ginomone1878 On some of those seasons Mercedes had a mere 60% win rate... then you compare it with this season and... I didn't say Lewis was not aggressive, no need to invoke him to defend Max. Both are cut from the same cloth.
The wet tire is a pointless compound due to spray. At any level of standing water where the wet would be required, the spray will be too much and they will either delay or run behind the safety car until the point the point of dryness where the inters are preferable.
Seeing some stuff, Ham just turned in to much, got onto the wet curbes and drifted out into Perez, so Hamilton clearly is af fault, wirh the sprint format 5s maybe a tad hard but no penalty would've been equally unfair to Perez who got his race ruined
15:00 this could have easily been the same thing Russel and Bottas did a couple years ago when there were 2 drivers fighting for the dry patch of the track. The onus is on the driver behind to be absolutely sure he can make it stick before attempting an overtake in more dangerous conditions.
I can’t lie. P1 with Matt and Tommy is the most GOATed podcast and channel on TH-cam for F1. Their synergy together is unparalleled and they bounce off each other so perfectly. Keep up the good work lads
@@wickedjuice Yes Controlled aggression unlike Lewis who is dirty and reckless with it. It not the first time Lewis has understeered wide and punted into another driver. That some danger driving man. It not bumper car racing you CLOWN 💀💀💀
That wasnt wide, how do u explain perez pushing him onto the curb then? Lewis had every right to take the corner, he was ahead at the apex, it was up to perez to decide if he wants to back off or challenge for the position... Now considering the conditions, Perez knew the chances of lewis running a little wide was high...yet he still choose to box lewis in while having ample room to giv lewis more space... In fact lewis barely went off the corner, if perez was not trying to beat him to the inside line and stuck to his driving line, there would have been no contact. But perez made the call, n it didn't pay off ...Lewis tried everything to avoid the oversteer as u can see on the cam.. It's a racing incident...
@@wickedjuice Yeah, you're right. Ham did nothing wrong by smashing into Perez's car, it's a completely legit way to pass an opponent who is defending aggressively.
Having seen a spring weekend at Austria, I really think that a sprint Saturday is more exciting than a practice session and qualifying. Practice is interesting to follow on Friday but being at the track it felt enough to have one as it is less thrilling. Absolutely love them at home though
It wasn't a harsh penalty. Lewis risked it by taking the curbs in wet conditions and understeered. He had room to stay on the grippy tarmac but he chose not to. Perez left Lewis a cars width of space on the tarmac. Perez wasn't squeezing.
I disagree with you 100%. Hamilton absolutely deserved the penalty. It's his job to have control of his car, he was the one coming from behind, and you can't put all the risk on the guy who isn't in as much control. Hamilton took extra risk by putting more power into it causing him to drift up and hit Perez hard, shown by a huge hole in Perez's car. Now, you can say that taking Perez out shouldn't be considered, but the whole absolutely should be considered to see how hard the hit actually was. That 5 second penalty is about the only good thing the FIA did all weekend.
Absolutely nothing more checo could have done in that scenario. It was lewis just trying squeeze checo, no snap of understeer, just plainly wanted checo to yield the space he was entitled to. Argument whether or not racing incident or a penalty for Lewis, checo did all he could. Watching the onboard is what got Lewis the penalty, if he locked up or got a snap of understeer would’ve been an racing incident instead he just plainly drove into him. Pretty clear cut.
The British bias coming strong. Perez was literally on the edge of the track and the gravel trap!!!! Where else could be have gone?!?! On the gravel to let the merc golden boy through just because the merc boy isn't tidy enough to execute a tighter line. If you're gonna overtake, you have to alter your lines accordingly, you can't just throw your car into another which is ahead and hope for the best. Deserved penalty.
Lewis has a habit of understeering into other drivers "by accident". In these tricky conditions it is on the overtaking car (coming from behind) to make sure he judges the situation correctly, which he didn't.
I only went to Saturday in Baku, after having done US Cota in the past. And I thoroughly enjoyed the sprint day. Even though the track time was less, it was far more memorable and it will stick in my brain more for years to come.
Not difficult, Lewis lost control of a car he was supposed to be in control of. All he needed to do was slow it down and pass him like he was always going to a few corners down the road, instead he turned into Lewis of '2021 against Max and just put his foot in it because he's stubborn. It also looks bad when your front wing slams into someones rear engine area, essentially showing you were still behind him in the first place.
There were only 11 laps. If this wasn't the place for an opportunistic move, then when? Your comment reeks of not understanding the F1 regs. Perez was not entitled to the corner and had more space to give. If they had just touched wheels, no one would have even noticed much. The penalty seems to be for the damage, which is not how penalties are supposed to work...
@@jebidiahcarlyon3543 Perez was already dropping like a stone which is why Lewis caught him in the first place as Perez was on used inters and lewis had new inters. The pass was inevitable but Lewis acted like a child again and was impatient.
6:34 Matt how would you feel if you plan your day around the F1 schedule, get home just a few minutes before the race is scheduled to start, turn on you TV only to find that the race has started half an hour ago?
I get arguing that hamilton was not at fault and it was a racing incident. But your brain actually needs to have more damage than perez's sidepod to blame perez for what happened.
It was just Racing that's what I seen. I was side swiped by the fact it was a penalty to Lewis the sports in pieces over this shit it's just embarrassing now
Lewis always manages to conveniently understeer into another car. He had previously had more steering lock. It almost looks like he intentionally understeers into Perez
I have to question Pirelli on the point of their Wet Weather tyre. Everyone wants Inter's, and if it is wet enough that they need the Full Wet, then they don't drive (either in practice they sit in the pits or during a race it is red flagged or they sit behind the safety car). Should Pirelli make the current Inter the Full Wet, and then have something like the Supersoft but with grooves for an inter? Something that will go off really quickly if it gets dry, but can still get some heat into it?
While everyone is arguing about the Perez Hamilton I do feel Gasly got away with murder with his release during the pitstop. All the teams held their cars in the same situation in order to not do an unsafe release. Oh and on the Lewis, Checo situation. The rules states 'causing a collision' and that was exactly what happened he caused a collision by making a mistake, it's his misjudgment taking to much curb.
Perez could have left Hamilton more room? How much room is he supposed to give him? Go off track and let him by? He literally gave him all the room that he should, Hamilton literally has about a car width to work with, more than he plenty of time gives others for that matter. Lewis had no oversteer or understeer or whatever, like you said yourself. And YET, he somehow has this jolt of turning towards Checo? I'm sorry, but how many times are we just going to excuse this shit from Hamilton? He does this SOOO much, this 'accidental' turn in on his opponents where he ends up 95% of the time EXACTLY tapping the rear wheel of his opponent? Over FIFTEEN times AT LEAST has he done exactly that, and I mean EXACTLY that. You're telling me that's still just an incident, an accident, a coinkidink? Or maybe, JUUUUUUUST maybe has Hamilton figured out how effective it can work and was he just once again aiming to do the same to Checo and bump him off the track and out of his way by tapping his rear wheel, but just missed this time and hit the side-pod instead? And we're really saying that's just an incident, and the poor, poor innocent little boy didn't deserve a penalty for that? How many times does he have to do this before he actually gets the criticism he deserves for it? The guy has SO much skill and talent, even now in his lesser days, he doesn't AT ALL have to do any of those gross tricks, yet, here we are AGAIN. I was cheering my ass off that for ONCE, at least ONCE he finally gets a penalty for this shit. But OF COURSE immediatley everyone is jumping to the poor Lewis' defense, because he could kill a room full of puppies and he'd still be innocent...
@@flintey360 Then why comment to begin with? Not sure why that makes me a weirdo, when you're not reading something and still feel like you have to comment. But can't even be bothered to actually write yeah, lol.
@@michaelj63 Not sure I said anyone was biased... I just gave an opinion? I know, shocking right? And how exactly am I biased then for just remarking what I've seen over and over again? If I 'accidentally' punch you 15 times AT LEAST, do you really then still believe it was an accident? Which was my whole point, it happens too often with him to not be suspicious at least. And seriously, how is it 50/50 when Checo leaves all the space for Lewis, and Lewis still pushes it and TURNS into Checo in a jolt? I'm so sorry for having an opinion and commenting that.
Might have been a border line harsh penalty but I think it's funny/sad how everyone on TV and now most podcasters, cry when Hamilton gets a rare penalty.
As much as he deserves it after the summer I don't think he will get it. RB want that 1-2 in the drivers standings, as poor as perez has been of late he is still in P2 by a comfortable enough margin that he should be able to bring home a P2 in that car. In 2024 I absolutely see Riciardo in the RB seat, but not before then.
@@garrettc1973 I wouldn't call the margin safe. Checo is 32 points clear of Alonso, and 36 of Hamilton. I don't think Alonso will be a big threat, but Hamilton will be. Two DNFs for Checo and two second places for Lewis and they're level.
@@einstijn138 it's a safer margin than Riciardo has though. I agree that it's very possible that Hamilton manages to get the second place before the end of the year but if RB want any chance of getting that second in the drivers perez is really their only shot.
@@garrettc1973 yeah definitely. But I don't think they really care about a 1-2. They just want the best results, and to have someone who can win if Max can't. And Checo hasn't been the one with that ability lately. I think tomorrow is gonna be the decider. Checo is starting on the front row, Max on 6th. If Checo doesn't get second, or even worse, no podium, he must be gone.
@@einstijn138 1. The best result they can get from the year is winning the constructors and getting 1-2 in the drivers championship... 2. Horner has explicitly said they want 1-2 in the drivers championship because it's not really something they have done before I think Checo will be gone but they will not do it until 2024.
The thing with the sprints is that they feel weird because they are still experimental. Not every race weekend, only a few in the season. If you look at F2, sprint wins and podiums are just as valued as main race wins and podiums. At the end of the day, if the championship fight was close, these sprint points would be gold.
I feel like the Hamilton incident is the rules being applied as they are written, which can be harsh, but as we've seen with track limits recently things get much more confusing if you're inconsistent. Sergio was ahead into the corner, and thus had the right to the space he took, so long as he didn't force Lewis off the track which he didn't. That means that Hamilton has the duty of care to ensure that there isn't a collision, as he is the trailing driver, which he failed to do, thus it is a penalty by the rules. In terms of a "spirit of the law versus letter of the law argument", I think a case could be made for Perez as well, all weekend we've seen how deadly the white lines can be in the wet, many drivers have gone off, Perez was much closer to the lines, and could have easily been forced to go into a position where he could have lost control of the vehicle while still being "on the track" if he had taken that turn wider, Hamilton had more tarmac to work with, but chose not to, instead prioritizing the attempt to make an overtake which was never on, leading to the collision.
The Verstappen/Russell incident we saw earlier this year during a sprint was very similar to this though and Russell didnt get a penalty, major difference being Verstappen didnt retire his car. I still think theyre being inconsistent with their penalties.
Lewis opted to take the kerbs in wet conditions instead of grippy tarmac. He made a mistake. He caused a collision. He could have driven on the tarmac but he decided not to.
Except that isn't what the rules actually say. There is a convention that the driver in the lead at the apex (NOT into the corner) owns the corner, but this is a convention, not a rule. The code of conduct for drivers says that, if the overtaking driver has a significant proportion of their car alongside the other car going into the corner (as was clearly the case here) and can complete the manoeuvre safely whilst staying within the limits of the track, the driver being overtaken must give them sufficient space to avoid forcing the overtaking car off the track or causing a collision. So no, it wasn't just up to Hamilton to ensure that there wasn't a collision. I agree with Martin Brundle and many others that this was a racing incident.
Feels like we have been talking about the delays and the effects it had on spectators and teams. But then we forget that a young talent died at this track just a couple of weeks ago. Rather have them call it off than another incident like Anthoine or Dilano
Remind me, how many fatalities do we get at the isle of man tt? Do they still run that? Motorsport is inherently dangerous, it says so on the back of the ticket. All of the drivers know the risk when they climb into the cockpit. You cant bubblewrap the sport, we have full wets for a reason. Use them.
I'm getting fed up with the way Pirelli and F1 prepare for wet weather. Thank god we don't race on that amazing Malaysia circuit anymore because the races would all be red flagged at this rate. They keep cutting down the number of tires they provide at these races and at the same time we've been stuck with a wet weather tire that doesn't work and that nobody will run outside of practice FOR YEARS. They fly those blue sidewall things around the world for no reason. How hard is it to make a wet tire that works like the Bridgestone monsoon tire?
Usually I think youre quite objective. That's why I like this f1talks. But this is straight up shithousery, Perez was still ahead you said? Yeah duh Ham just stayed behind for 2 seconds becuz of fhe bump. Hamilton with all his precious experience had plenty of enough room to even get the apex clean. He drifts wide wants to take to much speed, then bumps into perez side, just ending his race.
right? lewis knew it was slippery and by taking too much speed he just didnt have control over his car anymore so he made contact with perez which left a hole in his car. I think lewis would always have gotten a penalty even if perez wouldn’t have dropped down the field. I find this a similar situation with verstappen at silverstone. hamilton was in both occasion fully in the right to try and get alongside but on both occasions he just took way to much speed into the corner which resulted in him losing control and making contact.
@@jonasblomme1252 On purpose? He intentionally made contact into the other driver, while they were both in the middle of the track and Lewis was well alongside Perez.
@@TangoNevada no not on purpose my response was to the original comment, but I do think Lewis should have been more careful. He just took too much speed into the corner and it could have been avoided. Yes he was well alongside perez, but wasn’t in front of him and he had plenty of space left so penalty well deserved imo
@@jonasblomme1252Well. Perez had plenty of room on the outside. With Hamilton that far along side him, they both need to adjust to the situation and both had ways out of it, which makes it a racing incident. I'm no expert, but that's what all the experts seem to saying. Given the conditions, how far along side Lewis was and how much room there was on the track, they both decided to go for the same spot of track. But whatever, it was just a sprint race. I think Sprint Races and the points gained by them should be a seperate championship. It's so disconnected from the actual GP. that the points shouldn't be added to WDC's points.
There is a regulated 4.5 hour minimum between the sessions, if they shortened that time as a once off and a team didn't have a car ready how would that go down?
Hamilton wasn't directly alongside, he wouldn't have hit Checo's sidepod with his front wing otherwise. As a result, it's his responsibility for the collision and that's why he gets the penalty. Personally, I prefer this type of call from the stewards. They made the decision quickly and it seems pretty clear cut. If Hamilton had touched wheels, sure, racing indkcident, but that's not what happened. I prefer this level of tight calls to the wishy-washy nonsense of seasons past.
Max impedes Lewis: No further actions. Lewis lightly nudges Perez: 5 second penalty. I smell some strong bullshittery going on. As for the amount of rain being "too much". No, it wassn't too much. Let them start on full wets, from the grid. This has been done for many years in the past. Sure there have been crashes in de past due to rain. But that's part of the sport. Many people still remember the 1998 crash at Spa. It was an epic moment. The only issue at hand is Eau Rouge. It's dangerous when wet, it's dangerous when damp, and it's dangerous when dry. But autosport is dangerous to start with.
One thing I remember from the delay, was the cameras switched to the crowd, and there was this kid inside a plastic bag or poncho (he was completely in it - the head and arms weren't poking out or anything) and the people around him were smiling and being happy 🤔
Checo/Lewis seems very similar to Max/Lewis in Silverstone 21 Lewis trying to overtake up the inside, not fully alongside and lets the car run wide - RB on the outside not wanting to make it easy for Lewis so keeping the line tight Its a tough call but isn't the rules basically that the car in front dictates the line (as long as they leave enough space for the other driver) and the trailing car works within the space they are left?
@@KarvidSR Lewis wasn't tucking a nose in at Silverstone, he was 3/4 of the way alongside both times coming up to the entry, RB's carried more speed through the corner because they were on the wider line - the only difference was in Silverstone Lewis had to back off much more than Max as Copse is a faster corner so by the point of contact he was a few feet further back than he was today
3:10 as someone that was there yesterday, I enjoyed it a lot. had some great fun in the grandstands during the rain delay. Saturday brings the best motorsport content, F1, F2, Porsche cup, Historic F1. If I had to choose between raceday or saturday, i'd always pick saturday.
1. Car 2 was trying to make a pass, he did not make the pass safely and ran into his competitors car. 2. PCar 1 left proper spacing on the inside? Yes/ Car 2 leave proper spacing on the outside? No A Car 2 deserves a penalty Do i believe it was marginal sure. Was Perez going slow when Hamilton went for the overtake? No, he wasn’t. He was being patient, wait for a strait and overtake in a strait line. I’d say, good ambition ha,intoned but you don’t need to rush a move you’re more experienced and should know better than to force an overtake.
I think the difference between the Hamilton alone on the grid and this year was the standing vs rolling start. This meant that those who stayed out on wets were already at speed when the others went into the pits. With a standing start people would pit, then rush out and wait for the light to go green. Seems like the variables were quire different, right?
True, but the Logic still stands, he would have been done with his Pitstop and who knows how many cars he would need to let pass before he could be released.
@@TangoNevadahe would've lost time yes, but nowhere near the amount of time he actually lost due to standing start. There must be a rule that governs a standing start over a rolling one as it definitely would be a factor in decision making for the strategists.
Piastri looking like genius right now for telling alpine to shove it and signing with mclaren.
I don't think he had a choice. Alpine never gave him a seat for a long time, and by the time they did, only because Alonso ditched them, he had already signed with McLaren. That said, after a bad start of the season, I'm happy for him that things are starting to look up.
True. Also looks pretty bad on Alpine with them not planning to put Piastri in a car till maybe 2025 or later with him now showing he truly is a next gen talent at McLaren.
@@chris-hayes
We all know _what/when/ how_ the Piastri saga happened so I won't go into detail.
However, it's just one example why so many people are leaving the team.
As a McLaren fan I'm glad Alpine is so stupid because it's obvious that Oscar is going to be a great driver one day. Hopefully soon.
That's what alpine gets for being French 🤮🤮🤮
Like Piastri knew back then that halfway through this season Mclosing would get miraculous upgrades.
Gotta be honest, the mad dash for the pits was pretty exciting to watch 😅 It made the sprint feel like an entirely new race format. Almost surprised there were no major incidents there.
Sprints are still awful
@@bevanmcnicholl2525 I agree, but I think sprints could be good with a different quali format (one-lap, knockout from FE). That and change the schedule to shootout > sprint > quali > race.
@@KelsomaticPDX problem with quali after sprint is that if there was a big crash they cant fix the cars for quali
The mad dash would be the same in a full race..mandated wets to start the race, dash into the pits as soon as you can switch
@@bevanmcnicholl2525 They at least need to be longer and require one pitstop. Then they will be worth it.
The reason Max stayed out for an extra lap was because they were to affraid they got delayed in the pit to much because their pitbox is right at the beginning of the pitlane and (almost) all cars coming in and not wanting to do an unsafe release.. Ironically the FIA seemed to be blind to unsafe releases today, as there were a few very obvious ones..
“Half the field” we one car per team to avoid having to stack them and lose chunks of time.
We got lucky no team went for the double stacking... 😄
Gasly got a podium thanks to his unsafe release. FIA just can't be consistent with penalties, they have no idea what they're doing.
Exactly and Piastri on other hand their garage is one of the last ones on the grid. And he had Ferrari, RB Alpine and Mercedes right behind but their garage was also before McLaren’s so Piastri didn’t have to let any car pass to rejoin and therefore he had clean pit stop.
If Max did the same he would’ve lost 2-4 positions I’m sure
@@thekyuwa I think the reasoning was Fernando already had to brake to get into his pit box. But definitely sketchy.
I feel bad for Alonso on his bday. Also loving Piastri's rookie season so far
Feel bad for him sucking?
@@johnnychimpo7539 no bad luck
@@the_dented_NPC but he crashed on his own though
@@jasonhenry9440true but he didn't suck
Birthday blues
Gasly's drive is going under the radar with how well Max and Piastri have driven. An Alpine that hasn't been great over the past few races holding off Hamilton and Perez during the sprint.
How Piastri driven? Man, Ver beat him like child, 6 sec in 10 laps. Wtf is wrong with you? Piastri is some lame underaverage driver, no more.
@@kakhak He beat Norris (when he is still a rookie) comfortably and Max is in a redbull which has been the most dominant car in F1 history as it has the most consecutive wins
@@kakhak Sounds like you are describing Verstappen in his early years. Piastri is clearly a talent and you are clearly trolling.
@@kakhak Uh... I think you'll swallow your words in the future.
@@kakhak You're just a blind random in the comments, no more.
As a suffering Alpine fan it was great to see such a brilliant performance from Gasly. He earned more points in the sprint than the entire team have since Monaco at the end of May.
very pleased with Gasly's result! He did well and had luck on his side too, nice for a change
The power of Antoine
I've had a soft spot for Gasly for a long time. This was definitely a meaningful day for him. I hope Alpine can get it together. I really do feel bad for Occon and Gasly having to deal with such a chaotic organization.
Nice to see Gasly get good points especially after organizing a tribute to Anthoine- that NO other F1 driver save Ocon attended from the beginning (at least Lewis showed up to some of it toward the end when most did not).
Good karma for Pierre.
Yeah agreed i like gasly really do, but he is not consistent. He has these super highs but he has lows too
This is my first full season of following F1. Watched you guys a little bit last year from WTF and I'm really happy you guys are crushing the game in the F1 space.
Nice to have you on board!
same this is my first full year of watching but I’ve been watching f1 since 2022 Dutch GP so I’m a new fan
Welcome dude! Only my 4th season so enjoy getting into it more and more!
@@LCards2023y’all boys gotta go back and watch some of those classic 2021 races if you haven’t already
@@djnfbrhkelkondwvb6853 2021 Highlights is how I was pulled in ...
Started watching from Interlagos last year
This weekend so far proves, that Bernie perhaps wasn't THAT bonkers with his proposal to install sprinkles trackside
So we can have a load laps behing the safety car at every race? ; )
@@florisbackx1744 yeah exactly. Safety is critical, but what they're doing right now is absolutely bonkers. Don't bother having them even on the track when it is even slightly damp if they're going to wait until Inters before racing.
yeah nah, he was bonkers
i don't want shortened races with a lead in rolling start behind a safety car if we don't have to
I'm thinking maybe adding spikes and doing some Road Warrior racing.
😂😂
I don’t mind the the shorter sprint race today, the 5 formation laps were meant purely to guarantee driver safety by making the track as dry as possible. We don’t want to lose another driver, RIP Antoine & Dilano
Yep F1 Fans are sometime the Joke and not FIA. I mean we all know what happens at Spa when you race on a to wet surface. It just gets tiering that F1 Fans bitch when a crash happens but then also bitch when FIA says its to wet at the moment.
Personally, I think it wouldn't be hard for the FIA to say OK, its raining and from experience it looks like we will have 3-5 laps behind the safety car, race will start in 20mins everyone fuel up for an extra 5 laps 🤷🏽
@@deanmcloughlin2360this is the one I prefer, they can dry the track as much as they want, and then do the full sprint race
They should stop bringing wet tyres to races then. If it’s too dangerous to race in any circumstances where they are needed to get round the track then what’s the point. By the time they released the cars it was inter conditions. Let’s just make inters the default wet tyres and save the carbon of making and transporting of the wets.
@@TheSpacecraftX I completely agree. The full wet tires are no longer necessary if we want to have safe races. The intermediates can just as easily be used to dry a track behind a safety car, and it will indeed have the added benefit of saving having to schlep that many tires around the world. Get rid of the full wets, the drivers hate them anyway.
About the Alonso incident, I just love how the moderators on Sky Germany immediately were like "Stroll hit the wall! (…) No, wait, that's Alonso" 😂
Super uncharacteristic of him to make such a mistake, but I guess even the best sometimes slip up.
Even Fernando is human
That's exactly what I thought.
Austrian broadcaster too hahaha
Marge: Sorry, force of habit
I thought it was time for the deck chair 😂
A few thing about the HAM vs PER situation. Firstly, the whole bit about consequences not being taking into account should be look at in context. If there are no consequences at all, it will not even be referred to the stewards. If there are consequences, it will. So in this regard, consequences do play a role.
Secondly, during the race, I thought the penalty was harsh. Watching it again from the onboard, I changed my mind. Hamilton didn't steer into Checo or anything like that. But he took way more curb than he needed to and as a consequence, he washed into Checo.
As Checo sidepod being messed up, if you listen to the sound during the incident, you hear that Lewis' wheel actually grinds at the sidepod for quite a while. It's not a tap. It in fact really surprised me that Lewis didn't pick up a puncture...
He didn't wash into perez, he stayed on the racing line the whole way as you can see from the top shot. The racing line was drying so easy to see.
fair point! I thought Lewis press the throttle too hard that the car drag him into the racing line of Perez at first, but I think you're right after reading your comment and watch the onboard again.
@@gackauothey touched twice. The top shot is after Hamilton had already damaged Perez’s car. Hamiltons front wing end plate touched Perez again (the top shot) after they first touched at the exit of turn 15. Where Hamilton’s front left tyre punched a hole on Perez’s sidepod
@@gackauoHamilton took that corner like there was no one next to him, too much speed and then clipped the curb lost grip ,made a slight correction and oversteered into Perez ,Harsh but was Hamilton's fault for losing control
yeah for me its classic hammy move, very intelligent very 'not my fault' kinda, but opponent ends devastated
I disagree about the penalty. I wasn't really sure if it was a penalty on the broadcast, but from watching the onboards and Sam Collin's analysis makes it clear it's a penalty. Perez gave space and Lewis understeered into him. Unfortunate for Perez, although he had no pace in general. Lewis really should've just waited for the bus stop. The broadcast didn't really do it service.
Perez isn't entitled to give space. He gave multiple cars widths and Lewis kept his foot in to understeer.
Luckily it's just a sprint so it doesn't really matter and Lewis is getting P3 in the WDC anyway.
Everyone with half a brain can see that the car behind loses control and collides with the car in front.
If that's Checo going into Hamilton then everyone is up in arms about Perez' wrecklessness. But its Hamilton, so a lot of these woke morons choose to play blind.
If Max went to the pit first time around he would lose 2-4 positions.
Piastri was lucky that McLaren’s garage is one of the last ones on the grid, and when he made his pit cars behind had to stop behind him as well.
RB’s garage is first on the right when you come to the pit, if Max made that pit in that first lap he would have McLaren, Ferrari, Mercedes, Alpine immediately behind him and he would have to wait for them to pass or get a 5 seconds unsafe release penalty.
That’s why Max stayed out.
It wouldn’t matter , max would have gone past everyone in front of him anyway
@@hittrewweuy7595 maybe, but 2-4 positions was best case scenario, half of the grid went in to pit at that lap. So he could’ve lost many more positions. And with 11 laps and a safety car I’m sure RB wouldn’t like their chances
Sorry but hamilton loses the car as he said if u lose the car then its on you, hamilton had room on the inside clearly then oversteered into perez, how more obvious is the penalty
Even Perez had room on the outside, someone has to back out, it's just a racing incident
@@arjunharshaPerez was ahead and he still left more than a cars width. What else can be expected?
Everyone was ignoring Oscar and saying that he wasnt having a good rookie year because he hadnt done anything. Now he has a good car and everyone is like "wow, amazing!"
duhhhhh!!!!!
Yeah, he has always been close to Norris this season so we knew he was good, though now he is beating him. He’s handled racing Max and the top cars well too. He gave Perez a battle last week!
Piastri is killing it. I haven’t been this excited for a rookie season since Max or perhaps even Lewis.
Did you guys even watch Hamilton’s onboard when he punched a hole on Perez’s car??
Perez was on the edge of the corner near the curb. Where was he supposed to go??
Hamilton damaged Perez’s car on the exit of the corner (turn 15) before the straight (before Hamiltons front wing touched Parez again)
Not defending Perez here, he’s just an average driver in a championship winning car.
But have to agree with Penalty on Hamilton.
Before RB, PER ended P4 driver standings in a midfield pink car. maybe re-watch older seasons before making yourself look bad
@@Rasv-well thats my point. Maybe he is past his prime. He is an average F1 driver now. Doesn’t mean he is bad. Just means he is average in the group of F1 drivers now a days.
Come on, Even world champions fade off their peak performance levels with time.
And Perez has been nowhere near to even being a world champion. So I dont think I sound bad when I call him an average F1 driver.
He’s had 2 seasons in Red bull, this is his 3rd, yet he has been nowhere near good enough to at-least compete for 2nd place. Let alone compete for the championship.
And the only reason he has been sitting in 2nd place this season is because of the incredible car Red bull have given him.
Give the same car to someone else - maybe Leclerc, Hamilton, Alonso, etc. (someone above average) im sure it wouldve been a different story. Where Redbull wouldve had to manage their drivers differences and fighting for pole and 1st places. much like Mercedes had to manage Hamilton and Nico Rosberg in 2014-2016
@Rasv- Maybe we should look to the multiple "Steering Snaps" Hamilton have when he is alongside another car....
Calling Perez an average driver is being pretty harsh on the definition of average.
I work a job which is weather dependent and it's not as simple as it may seem. My situation is similar to F1 in that I've got to make my decision with at least an hours notice as to whether the job goes ahead, if the expected bad weather doesn't turn up you get blamed for being too cautious and inconveniencing people, if you gamble on the weather being ok and it shits it down you put yourself, your tools and other peoples time/money at risk trying to fudge your way through it. Sometimes you look at the big black smudge heading towards you on the map and think, yep, definitely gonna rain in about an hour so I'll cancel and then the hour rolls around and it's clear skies for the rest of the day because the big rain cloud either emptied itself or decided it'd be more fun to swing north for no apparent reason, sometimes you look at the radar and there's a few little clouds hanging around but they're going to miss by a good 50 miles and then suddenly you're running for cover because one of those clouds took exception to your assumptions and dropped a thunderstorm right on top of you. It's easy to look back and say "well of course I should have done X or Y" after it's happened but when you've got expectation and responsibility on your shoulders you make some poor calls at times
Curious about your line of work. My best friends brother works on offshore windmills. Sounds like how you describe.
I usually agree with you guys but felt you were inconsisent this time. I know the delay was not welcome but given the conditions today, and given how the FIA turned the 2021 race into a dud (it was the main race, not even a sprint which would have been more bearable), I'd say this was pretty much the best they could do. I know you guys overlooked "logistics" but on an already packed sprint weekend, I think the 4 hour rule shouldn't be overlooked so easily. Even in the FP vs sprint discussion, FP3 rarely has representative running, so if we compare a 45 min normal saturday quali to the 30 min quali + 30 min race on sprint weekends, I'd say the latter offers more "racing" view time for the audience. It was a pity we couldn't get the full 15 laps, but again, I don't really see how it could have been any better.
You make a really good point, if the 4hr rule gets overlooked just cause a bit of rain is coming in then someone like Lance Stroll maybe doesn’t get to race cause they stacked it into the wall and the team need to rebuild the car.
The more racing the better. I don’t care if it’s shorter
@@chrisewins836 yes exactly!
This is exactly what I thought too. If the FIA were to let them race without the 5 formation laps, the fans would outrage and called out the FIA of being unresponsible. In my opinion, the decision they took in the end are the best for everyone on the paddock, and at this point everyone that goes to the Belgian GP should expect the high chances of rain and delayed race
Surprised Tommy completely forgot Lewis pipping max by 0.003 literally last race as the tiniest margin.
I think if Perez had to think about “there is a driver beside me I should give more room” then Hamilton has to think about there is a car beside me if I go in too hot and under steer in his car I should slow down a bit!
Clearly it was Hamiltons mistake. He comes from behind, loses control and makes contact with Perez. There is no other way to view it other than Hamilton was at fault. But its Hamilton, so of course he gets the widest birth possible.. because racism.
Why do people proclaim to know what was in the mind of the stewards? For the stewards it's a slam dunk penalty when a car understeers into another, unless it's lap 1, while trying to overtake. Hamilton chose to overtake there. Hamilton understeered into Perez. Why does Perez need to leave more than a car's width? There's NOTHING in the rules that says he needs to do that. If you want 'racing' then cars shouldn't just wave another through.
Another max fan that doesn't understand the rules. Surprising.
@@joshn1678enlighten us - the rules . With all the code numbers of rules . 😂😂. I already know your answer 😅
@@abhishekabhi-wq3txthen ham 8th wdc?
Spot on @Ruylopez778 Why is everyone debating whether this was a penalty? Hamilton went for a move but didn't have the skill to pull it off. He drove himself onto the wet curbs even though there was ample room *not* to do that. That's an unquestionable penalty every single time, independant of what the end result is.
@@Croga Yeah, every time we have this situation, people accuse the stewards of making decisions based on consequences or favourites. I'm not even debating what should or shouldn't be a penalty, but the hysteria surrounding a decision that was inevitable. It was a penalty at Silverstone 2021, and it's still a penalty.
After watching the onboards, my assessment is that it's a fair penalty for Hamilton. Of course both drivers have a responsibility during an overtake to keep it safe and clean, but the main burden is on the driver who is overtaking - Lewis, in this case. He's entitled to space, but that doesn't mean the racing line, or even a fast line. That's why you see so few overtakes on the outside, they get starved and have a bad run into the next straight. Drivers know and thus rarely even attempt it.
Checo did his part. He left him the required space and kept to his line. Lewis had to drive over the curb to make the overtake stick (which is perfectly legal by Checo - it's not "off track", regardless of whether the weather makes it feasible or not), so Hamilton can either pull back and try again, or take the curb, and accept the risk of an "incident" in these conditions. Lewis knew what a wet curb does to his car. He chose to go over it. He was just impatient and caused a preventable collision.
Penalty against a British driver?!? BLASPHEMOUS 😂
Crazy how Hamilton had over 3/4 of the track width and still these people pay “Perez could’ve given more room” LMAO
Theres a compilation of Hamilton just tapping the rear right side of the Red Bulls over, and over, and over... and here he does it again.
He blatantly knows that his car is unlikely to be damaged, whereas the red Bull will be damaged severely. Its sad.
The reason for the Hamilton penalty is that he can feel the front of his tires are about to give way and he does not lift. Instead, he continues to apply accelerator knowing, if the front of his car gives way, the side of Perez's car is there to save him. Hamilton literally aimed his car at the side of Perez's car and got the impact he knew was coming. The huge hole in the side of Perez car is really astonishing to see. Hamilton definitely earned that penalty. Hamilton COULD have lifted, dropped immediately behind and kept fighting but he took the more dangerous option. He's done this several times before.
Perez COULD have lifted, dropped immediately behind and kept fighting but he took the more dangerous option. Works both ways. Racing incident.
It is Hamilton's signature move, he has used it many times over the years, even in his karting days, to yeet competitors out of the way that way, with no damage generally speaking to his own car, except once. It looks like a race incident, but it happens too often with him to not be a deliberate move.
That's my opinion anyway.
And he always complains he lost control, couldn't help it, bla bla.
Piastri is such an exciting prospect. Truly, in my opinion the best rookie for years. Running under the radar big time seemingly
How is he running under the radar though? Everyone talks about him and everyone loves him now
When was the last time a rookie was in this good of a car? He has done well though.
Running under the radar? People talk about him 24/7 & have been from day 1 & rightfully so .Overreacting a bit if anything.
Piastri is doing amazing things.
He’s smart to decline that Alpine contract.
He needed some races to adjust to the new car and he’s still not 100% yet, I’m sure he’s going to be much better down the line.
The way he’s beating Norris so far in Spa is just so impressive
Agreed!
Hamilton has now caused similar accidents to Albon, Max and Checo by tapping their car while they're ahead and on the outside of the corner, leaving plenty of space for Lewis to make it.
Yeah, it's funny how it's his little tactic that he does. I am sure the FIA are not unaware of this
Perez squeezed Hamilton on a wet track. He was always going to slide wide. You need to learn how physics and F1 works before exposing your stupidity. This incident was nothing like what happened in Silverstone 2021, but simpletons will equate the two 🤦
@@Lanse1984 he has perfected that move!
I’m sorry but how was Perez supposed to give more room to Hamilton? He’s ahead all the way through, basically near the white line/ curb. He doesn’t want to chance putting a wheel out there because of the wet conditions. Per has given Ham ample room to use on the inside the corner. Ham doesn’t have a snap of oversteer yes, but he washes out towards the edge of the tract, ie he’s got understeer because he’s gone in a little to fast where his line through the corner and Perez’s link and because they’re next to each other the make contact. Perez has done nothing wrong and yet received effective ‘terminal damage’. And it doesn’t matter how the rule or the officiating is written - the consequence of an incident is always taken into account. Take Spa last year, no pen for Hamilton with Alonso, why because Ham retired due to the damage he caused and Alo was able to continue relatively unscathed. Bet you there would have been a pen for Ham if they both retired or only Alonso retired.
Furthermore I do think this incident has many similarities to one’s we have seen in Austria turn 4. Cars more along side each other in this instance but it’s still the inside car taking the corner at a speed where they’re always going to wash out to the outside curb where the car that has taken the outside line has to be because that is the edge of the track. In effect basic corner physics.
u a racing driver?
Yeah no I couldn’t disagree more. Perez has been pushing the barriers lately with how much he squeezes drivers when making moves. This kind of drivers is going to cause collisions when the other driver pushes you back. Hamilton will do that and Hamilton was alongside and had the right to space. Perez turns in too early and Hamilton drifts a bit too far wide. Both at fault and is therefore a racing incident. Perez’s retirement should not be a factor in the retirement. That always used to be the case. I’m not sure why that has seemingly changed in recent years.
the cars are too big.
The incident may have similarities to Austria T4, but most if not all of those incidents resulted in the outside car getting punted off the track into the gravel. Perez was still able to carry on and even stayed ahead of Hamilton. Perez retiring should not affect the stewards decision for a penalty because, as Matt said, he was still ahead 10-15 seconds later. It is simply a racing incident with neither driver to blame it's as simple as that really.
its a racing incident fullstop, and perez had half of the track onthe outside where they made contact, you just wrote all of that for no reason
Watch Perez onboard,, Perez holds his line and Hamilton gets a quick snap of understeer into his car,,, and generally speaking when you put a hole in someone’s side pod and they have to retire the car when it’s 100% your fault your probably going to get a penalty…
See that's part of the issue here. That judgement is focused on the outcome which the FIA has said it doesn't consider.
The incident was a racing incident, the outcome was a penalty.
Not to mention it's pretty inconsistent with the george max incident from earlier in the year where george put a hole in Max's sidepod and no penalty was issued.
@@garrettc1973you always have to include the incident in the penalty. I don’t understand why everyone keeps saying that the outcome shouldn’t determine the penalty. If you ruin someone’s race it should be penalized accordingly
@@juancena2149 totally agree. If it’s a racing incident the way I look at it is if it’s not the others fault and you cause damage or take them out you get a penalty.
@@juancena2149 everyone keeps saying that the outcome shouldn't be considered because the FIA have said so in the past... it's just applying their own standards to their inconsistent rulings.
George took a hole out of Max's sidepod earlier in the year, max finished the race so no penalty for George. Lewis does it to Perez, Perez retires and Lewis gets a penalty. Totally inconsistent.
The standard is that all that matters when deciding a penalty is the actions that caused the incident and the incident itself. Based on those factors it was a racing incident and therfore no penalty.
It was only a penalty because Perez retired.
Sam collins’ F1 analysis has figured this out.
Big L on your Hamilton penalty opinion. Check F1TV, he deserved it..punched a hole for crying out loud..not perez fault that hamilton cant control his car
As reviewed on F1TV by Sam Collins, it was a clear penalty. Lewis hit the kerb and slid into the sidepod of Perez. Not on purpose. but a just penalty nonetheless.
It was a clear mistake. 100%.
Penalty though....???
Putting a tire off track left him at fault. Had Lewis kept it in the lines, it would've been a simple racing incident.
I am not sure about the not on purpose part. It seems to always "just" seem to happen to anyone that is just ahead of him.
When I first saw it I thought he deserved the penalty, but upon reviewing the footage I really don’t think it was worthy of a penalty. I agree with Buxton’s sentiment that it’s a racing incident, and if we want hard gutsy racing we shouldn’t be penalizing honest accidents like that.
@@jousis_ yes
Riiight carry too much speed into a corner and understeer into the side of the car AHEAD and it's not a penalty? JOKE
But Hamilton is the only black driver in F1.. he should always get the benefit of any decision regardless of how many times he punts a Red Bull out of the race in virtually the exact same circumstances over and over and over and over....
Sorry but Penalty ALL DAY…
Not a RB fan but contact causing car damage during the race like this always a penalty.
He used Checo’s car as a guiding rail !
Same as Zhou in Hungary.
100% true. He does it a lot.
Max does that every wheel to wheel racing only difference is that the other driver usually backs down
@@Fredhamleclerc No only difference is that Max never opened a hole in the other driver’s sidepod
@jrlnas4934 lol he put his tyres on other drivers head and watch crahstappen compilations
@@Fredhamleclerc I know all of them. Both of them suffered from the consequence of their stupid action
hamilton didn't loose grip, he went on the curb and desided too go the left.................and take the redbull out Like siverstone...it's his way of racing today
Certain fans have been crying for pens left right and centre but not happy when their fave driver gets one
I don’t think people necessarily want more penalties they just want consistency
I wonder what fan base that could be….🤔
Well it’s dumb regardless you can’t do anything in this sport without getting a 5 second penalty
@facepalmer1580 it doesn’t matter it was a racing incident
@facepalmer1580 people hit each other in racing that’s just part of it damage or not it’s a racing incident
I don't understand why they even bother shipping the full wets around the world when all they do is wait for the conditions to be good for inters. I'm trying to imagine what magical combination of conditions they are waiting for that has enough water to necessitate full wets, yet not enough water to cause spray/visibility issues.
Instead of limiting the number of slicks teams get, they should just give up on the wets and admit they aren't going to even bother running in the conditions that require them.
In this sprint, the sun came out really quickly and track dried just as quick; if you go back to monaco last year it gave the race a gamble factor whether ppl pitted for inters or held on to wets and go straight to slicks.
It was stupid, in this case that they did 5 laps behind the sacety car instead of giving a delay and starting everyone on inters
there was enough water spray when the safety car was doing laps 15 min before the formation laps, and sure the dont want another casuality in the rain this year in spa
@@chuza_97 part of the reason they run the laps behind the safety car with the wets is to help dry up the track. The wets will spray the water off the track along with the cars aerodynamic effects. This eventually clears up the racing line making inters possible.
@@chuza_97 The purpose of those 5 formation laps was basically to dry the track as much as possible with the wets, nothing else.
@@JIKwood ik that sped it up, but if they delayed the start and w8ed, it would dry up the same
13:54 Any contact should be a 5 second penalty. At all. Any contact. If you refuse to accept the obvious of the consequences actually DO matter, then any time two cars touch it's a 5 second penalty no matter what, default, automated system. Hamilton clearly understeered, and he ran into Perez. It's not a racing incident because Perez held his line and Lewis did not. It's cut and dry.
Love seeing Landos ego being taken down a peg or 2 😂
when this video is almost longer than the actual sprint race
Hard disagree with ham checo comments. Checo was ahead, with enough space. Ham made a mistake that dnfed another car.
The DNF was the only reason they gave Lewis the penalty... they judged the consequences, not the act.
@@soundscape26 False. If they judged by consequences Lewis would have been disqualified or given stop and go penalty
@@mikko3 It was just a simple DNF, Lewis didn't send Checo flying over the fence or anything.
@@soundscape26 "a simple DNF" thats not 5 seconds since its the smallest penalty
It was intentional move to open the sidepod of the RedBull, George did it to Max a while ago as well, they are trying to see inside that sidepod
He was causing a collision and got a penalty for causing that collision. I really dont know what the big deal is here.
He has done it SO MANY times, FIA needs to crack him down
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Lewis just loves crashing into cars, especially Red Bulls, while he's on the inside of a corner, has enough space to make it, and the other car is ahead.
Ricciardo’s 10th place in a wet sprint race in that shitbox AlphaTauri is a good effort, curious to see if he can maintain a points position over the full race distance
Depends on if it's wet or dry. If it's wet, maybe, if it's dry, unfortunately I don't think so.
He couldn't
Sam Collins puts out some really good analysis on F1 tv after the sessions. Using video footage of the LH incident, he explains how LH getting his right front onto the slippery paint caused him to lose just the right amount of grip, forcing him to make a slight correction. That slight correction happened at the exact moment when the two cars were closest to eachother. Its a racing incident imo, but i can also see how it is a penalty because LH's correction was because he put the tyre on a spot that caused the car to lose grip.
Hamilton has a history of hitting cars on his outside through corners, it's about time he caught a penalty for it.
@@birddogz545he got a penalty in all cases
Another typical toxic rb fan
@@birddogz545bro has all of their comments crying about merc 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂what a crier
He might have gotten a penalty every time, but he surely hasn't learned from it and also has a history of denying fault.... The F1 TV presentors were very quickly to jump on "very harsh penalty".
He made a mistake, he got more than enough room from Perez, because of the mistake he hit the other car. So penalty. It's fine to race wheel to wheel. But if you make the mistake there should be a penalty. No matter who it is.
@@sadikurrahman4833Lewis has been getting away with it for far too long. Another typical toxic Mercedes fan
I don’t wish leclerc poorly… but I’m expecting some winners of a reaction from Matt tomorrow. And a good chuckle for the rest of us.
In my opinion in racing it’s the passing cars job not to hit the car ahead Hamilton never completed the pass then hit Perez. Hamilton carried to much speed wanting to get passed Perez then hit him that’s a penalty.
Fair point.
F1 does not care about the in-person experience. The Sprint format is purely about TV revenue.
On the penalty, I think it's warranted. Lewis understeered into the side of Checo, but it wasn't deliberate.
Him later quoting that Senna line afterwards sets a dangerous precedent. You have to judge the risks before sending it into a gap.
Lewis went into Perez' line and his car. A 'tap' that destroys the sidepod of a car isn't just a harmless 'tap'. It's "causing a collission" eventhough Perez didn't fly into the barriers immediately.
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yeh i can agree with that.... i guess it was risky and less safe, and caused a car damage, that easily could have fucked that session for that driver. Harsh but roles reversed Lewis is going to whine and want that pen
@@JW-qf2fx
Exactly: "Dangerous driving man!"
"the 5sec penalty is harsh"
- perez had to retire..
- car was damaged..
- hamilton would have finished 4th/3rd
but the penalty is harsh.. make it make sense...
yes, it was a penalty. I don't know why everybody freaks out whenever lewis gets a penalty
Because he gets penalties doing things others dont get penalties for. I think whats funny about this is you have pretty much every official of F1 saying that was a racing incindent except for the fans.
I think the more I think about it that's it's stupid not taking into account consequences for an action. I think they should change the rules that you can take into account consequences. the whole point is punting some out of a race or just touching, you are restricting someone's race
P1 and sky sports go like bread and butter. Lewis had more space on the right and he had less steering lock and then went into perez who left as much space as he could.
Its funny how many times a MB driver has hit a red bull and making big damage. And still they call max agressive.
Max is always ahead, he doesn't need to be aggressive, but put him midfield with a car that's not a rocketship and...
@@soundscape26 like Lewis had for 8 years and still he hit Alex albon 2times while Alex was in the points
@@ginomone1878 On some of those seasons Mercedes had a mere 60% win rate... then you compare it with this season and...
I didn't say Lewis was not aggressive, no need to invoke him to defend Max. Both are cut from the same cloth.
@@soundscape26 and yet max gets all the hate and Lewis gets praised by doing the same thing in the English biased media.
The wet tire is a pointless compound due to spray. At any level of standing water where the wet would be required, the spray will be too much and they will either delay or run behind the safety car until the point the point of dryness where the inters are preferable.
Seeing some stuff, Ham just turned in to much, got onto the wet curbes and drifted out into Perez, so Hamilton clearly is af fault, wirh the sprint format 5s maybe a tad hard but no penalty would've been equally unfair to Perez who got his race ruined
I giggled like a little girl who's playing peekaboo with her daddy when Max Verstappen finished the line in first place. 😄
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Contact with damage should always be someone’s penalty.
Its the same move that Hamilton ALWAYS makes to try to “inadvertently” spin other drivers out.
Is there any solution to the british bias or we just have to deal with it?
Thank you. Agree 💯
What you on about?
15:00 this could have easily been the same thing Russel and Bottas did a couple years ago when there were 2 drivers fighting for the dry patch of the track. The onus is on the driver behind to be absolutely sure he can make it stick before attempting an overtake in more dangerous conditions.
Russel literally touched the grass and spun into him lewis didn't do that
@Allblue1 Lewis touched a wet curb which almost did the same thing as the wet grass for George
@@briantse4239 no contact was made coming out of the corner not at the corner so how is that possible as lewis was on the inside
I can’t lie. P1 with Matt and Tommy is the most GOATed podcast and channel on TH-cam for F1. Their synergy together is unparalleled and they bounce off each other so perfectly. Keep up the good work lads
Money is in the post x
Haha 😂
Genuine comment though
Matt it wasn’t a tap and Lewis has a history of washing out wide to take out another driver 💀💀💀
they get a lot of stuff wrong lately , not that fun to listen to anymore-
Perez has a history of defending aggressively 💀💀💀💀
@@wickedjuice Yes Controlled aggression unlike Lewis who is dirty and reckless with it. It not the first time Lewis has understeered wide and punted into another driver. That some danger driving man. It not bumper car racing you CLOWN 💀💀💀
That wasnt wide, how do u explain perez pushing him onto the curb then? Lewis had every right to take the corner, he was ahead at the apex, it was up to perez to decide if he wants to back off or challenge for the position...
Now considering the conditions, Perez knew the chances of lewis running a little wide was high...yet he still choose to box lewis in while having ample room to giv lewis more space...
In fact lewis barely went off the corner, if perez was not trying to beat him to the inside line and stuck to his driving line, there would have been no contact.
But perez made the call, n it didn't pay off ...Lewis tried everything to avoid the oversteer as u can see on the cam..
It's a racing incident...
@@wickedjuice Yeah, you're right. Ham did nothing wrong by smashing into Perez's car, it's a completely legit way to pass an opponent who is defending aggressively.
Give me back the F1 from the begin 2000s and earlier.
Good races in the rain, not a red flag as soon there is a drop
Having seen a spring weekend at Austria, I really think that a sprint Saturday is more exciting than a practice session and qualifying. Practice is interesting to follow on Friday but being at the track it felt enough to have one as it is less thrilling. Absolutely love them at home though
It wasn't a harsh penalty. Lewis risked it by taking the curbs in wet conditions and understeered. He had room to stay on the grippy tarmac but he chose not to. Perez left Lewis a cars width of space on the tarmac. Perez wasn't squeezing.
I disagree with you 100%. Hamilton absolutely deserved the penalty. It's his job to have control of his car, he was the one coming from behind, and you can't put all the risk on the guy who isn't in as much control. Hamilton took extra risk by putting more power into it causing him to drift up and hit Perez hard, shown by a huge hole in Perez's car. Now, you can say that taking Perez out shouldn't be considered, but the whole absolutely should be considered to see how hard the hit actually was. That 5 second penalty is about the only good thing the FIA did all weekend.
if u watched the onboard again hamilton never oversteer so basicly he didn't drift which mean ur whole point is not accurate
Absolutely nothing more checo could have done in that scenario. It was lewis just trying squeeze checo, no snap of understeer, just plainly wanted checo to yield the space he was entitled to. Argument whether or not racing incident or a penalty for Lewis, checo did all he could. Watching the onboard is what got Lewis the penalty, if he locked up or got a snap of understeer would’ve been an racing incident instead he just plainly drove into him. Pretty clear cut.
The British bias coming strong. Perez was literally on the edge of the track and the gravel trap!!!! Where else could be have gone?!?! On the gravel to let the merc golden boy through just because the merc boy isn't tidy enough to execute a tighter line. If you're gonna overtake, you have to alter your lines accordingly, you can't just throw your car into another which is ahead and hope for the best. Deserved penalty.
Lewis has a habit of understeering into other drivers "by accident". In these tricky conditions it is on the overtaking car (coming from behind) to make sure he judges the situation correctly, which he didn't.
I only went to Saturday in Baku, after having done US Cota in the past. And I thoroughly enjoyed the sprint day. Even though the track time was less, it was far more memorable and it will stick in my brain more for years to come.
What do you do that allows you to afford going to an F1 Race in Both Baku and COTA? Just curious. What was the total cost of the two if you mind.
Not difficult, Lewis lost control of a car he was supposed to be in control of. All he needed to do was slow it down and pass him like he was always going to a few corners down the road, instead he turned into Lewis of '2021 against Max and just put his foot in it because he's stubborn. It also looks bad when your front wing slams into someones rear engine area, essentially showing you were still behind him in the first place.
There were only 11 laps. If this wasn't the place for an opportunistic move, then when? Your comment reeks of not understanding the F1 regs. Perez was not entitled to the corner and had more space to give. If they had just touched wheels, no one would have even noticed much. The penalty seems to be for the damage, which is not how penalties are supposed to work...
@@jebidiahcarlyon3543 Perez was already dropping like a stone which is why Lewis caught him in the first place as Perez was on used inters and lewis had new inters. The pass was inevitable but Lewis acted like a child again and was impatient.
@@kyleharrison713 Impatient is not an insult in F1. I think you may be projecting a bit with the child accusation
6:34 Matt how would you feel if you plan your day around the F1 schedule, get home just a few minutes before the race is scheduled to start, turn on you TV only to find that the race has started half an hour ago?
I get arguing that hamilton was not at fault and it was a racing incident. But your brain actually needs to have more damage than perez's sidepod to blame perez for what happened.
It was just Racing that's what I seen. I was side swiped by the fact it was a penalty to Lewis the sports in pieces over this shit it's just embarrassing now
Tommy saying how much Checo squeezed Lewis 😂😂😂 what a joke it was Lewis sliding across the track away from apex.
Lewis always manages to conveniently understeer into another car. He had previously had more steering lock. It almost looks like he intentionally understeers into Perez
Noooo, not Ham, he would never do that.🙃
I have to question Pirelli on the point of their Wet Weather tyre. Everyone wants Inter's, and if it is wet enough that they need the Full Wet, then they don't drive (either in practice they sit in the pits or during a race it is red flagged or they sit behind the safety car).
Should Pirelli make the current Inter the Full Wet, and then have something like the Supersoft but with grooves for an inter? Something that will go off really quickly if it gets dry, but can still get some heat into it?
ah Lewis Hamilton's signature pit manoeuvere against a red bull 😂
While everyone is arguing about the Perez Hamilton I do feel Gasly got away with murder with his release during the pitstop. All the teams held their cars in the same situation in order to not do an unsafe release. Oh and on the Lewis, Checo situation. The rules states 'causing a collision' and that was exactly what happened he caused a collision by making a mistake, it's his misjudgment taking to much curb.
Perez could have left Hamilton more room? How much room is he supposed to give him? Go off track and let him by? He literally gave him all the room that he should, Hamilton literally has about a car width to work with, more than he plenty of time gives others for that matter.
Lewis had no oversteer or understeer or whatever, like you said yourself. And YET, he somehow has this jolt of turning towards Checo? I'm sorry, but how many times are we just going to excuse this shit from Hamilton? He does this SOOO much, this 'accidental' turn in on his opponents where he ends up 95% of the time EXACTLY tapping the rear wheel of his opponent? Over FIFTEEN times AT LEAST has he done exactly that, and I mean EXACTLY that. You're telling me that's still just an incident, an accident, a coinkidink? Or maybe, JUUUUUUUST maybe has Hamilton figured out how effective it can work and was he just once again aiming to do the same to Checo and bump him off the track and out of his way by tapping his rear wheel, but just missed this time and hit the side-pod instead? And we're really saying that's just an incident, and the poor, poor innocent little boy didn't deserve a penalty for that? How many times does he have to do this before he actually gets the criticism he deserves for it?
The guy has SO much skill and talent, even now in his lesser days, he doesn't AT ALL have to do any of those gross tricks, yet, here we are AGAIN. I was cheering my ass off that for ONCE, at least ONCE he finally gets a penalty for this shit. But OF COURSE immediatley everyone is jumping to the poor Lewis' defense, because he could kill a room full of puppies and he'd still be innocent...
Yh I'm not reading all that weirdo
Not a Lewis fan, penalty was 50/50 at best. It's racing, this kind of thing happens.
If anyone is biased I think it may be you.
@@flintey360 Then why comment to begin with?
Not sure why that makes me a weirdo, when you're not reading something and still feel like you have to comment. But can't even be bothered to actually write yeah, lol.
@@HIPsteHeero bro you don't have to write paragraphs for everything 😭😭
@@michaelj63 Not sure I said anyone was biased... I just gave an opinion?
I know, shocking right?
And how exactly am I biased then for just remarking what I've seen over and over again?
If I 'accidentally' punch you 15 times AT LEAST, do you really then still believe it was an accident?
Which was my whole point, it happens too often with him to not be suspicious at least.
And seriously, how is it 50/50 when Checo leaves all the space for Lewis, and Lewis still pushes it and TURNS into Checo in a jolt?
I'm so sorry for having an opinion and commenting that.
Might have been a border line harsh penalty but I think it's funny/sad how everyone on TV and now most podcasters, cry when Hamilton gets a rare penalty.
Danny Ric dragging that Alpha Tauri to P10 is legit gonna get him that RB seat after the summer
As much as he deserves it after the summer I don't think he will get it.
RB want that 1-2 in the drivers standings, as poor as perez has been of late he is still in P2 by a comfortable enough margin that he should be able to bring home a P2 in that car.
In 2024 I absolutely see Riciardo in the RB seat, but not before then.
@@garrettc1973 I wouldn't call the margin safe. Checo is 32 points clear of Alonso, and 36 of Hamilton. I don't think Alonso will be a big threat, but Hamilton will be. Two DNFs for Checo and two second places for Lewis and they're level.
@@einstijn138 it's a safer margin than Riciardo has though.
I agree that it's very possible that Hamilton manages to get the second place before the end of the year but if RB want any chance of getting that second in the drivers perez is really their only shot.
@@garrettc1973 yeah definitely. But I don't think they really care about a 1-2. They just want the best results, and to have someone who can win if Max can't. And Checo hasn't been the one with that ability lately. I think tomorrow is gonna be the decider. Checo is starting on the front row, Max on 6th. If Checo doesn't get second, or even worse, no podium, he must be gone.
@@einstijn138 1. The best result they can get from the year is winning the constructors and getting 1-2 in the drivers championship...
2. Horner has explicitly said they want 1-2 in the drivers championship because it's not really something they have done before
I think Checo will be gone but they will not do it until 2024.
The thing with the sprints is that they feel weird because they are still experimental. Not every race weekend, only a few in the season. If you look at F2, sprint wins and podiums are just as valued as main race wins and podiums. At the end of the day, if the championship fight was close, these sprint points would be gold.
I feel like the Hamilton incident is the rules being applied as they are written, which can be harsh, but as we've seen with track limits recently things get much more confusing if you're inconsistent. Sergio was ahead into the corner, and thus had the right to the space he took, so long as he didn't force Lewis off the track which he didn't. That means that Hamilton has the duty of care to ensure that there isn't a collision, as he is the trailing driver, which he failed to do, thus it is a penalty by the rules.
In terms of a "spirit of the law versus letter of the law argument", I think a case could be made for Perez as well, all weekend we've seen how deadly the white lines can be in the wet, many drivers have gone off, Perez was much closer to the lines, and could have easily been forced to go into a position where he could have lost control of the vehicle while still being "on the track" if he had taken that turn wider, Hamilton had more tarmac to work with, but chose not to, instead prioritizing the attempt to make an overtake which was never on, leading to the collision.
EXACTLY. And a better way to overtake would have been Blanchimont anyway
The Verstappen/Russell incident we saw earlier this year during a sprint was very similar to this though and Russell didnt get a penalty, major difference being Verstappen didnt retire his car. I still think theyre being inconsistent with their penalties.
@@ecstasyecsFirst Lap Tax…most of the time, Penalties are not handled out in First Lap Incidents unless there is obvious dangerous driving involved…
Lewis opted to take the kerbs in wet conditions instead of grippy tarmac. He made a mistake. He caused a collision. He could have driven on the tarmac but he decided not to.
Except that isn't what the rules actually say. There is a convention that the driver in the lead at the apex (NOT into the corner) owns the corner, but this is a convention, not a rule. The code of conduct for drivers says that, if the overtaking driver has a significant proportion of their car alongside the other car going into the corner (as was clearly the case here) and can complete the manoeuvre safely whilst staying within the limits of the track, the driver being overtaken must give them sufficient space to avoid forcing the overtaking car off the track or causing a collision. So no, it wasn't just up to Hamilton to ensure that there wasn't a collision. I agree with Martin Brundle and many others that this was a racing incident.
Don’t like the weekend format. Rather more practice tbh.
Feels like we have been talking about the delays and the effects it had on spectators and teams. But then we forget that a young talent died at this track just a couple of weeks ago. Rather have them call it off than another incident like Anthoine or Dilano
Remind me, how many fatalities do we get at the isle of man tt? Do they still run that? Motorsport is inherently dangerous, it says so on the back of the ticket. All of the drivers know the risk when they climb into the cockpit. You cant bubblewrap the sport, we have full wets for a reason. Use them.
I'm getting fed up with the way Pirelli and F1 prepare for wet weather. Thank god we don't race on that amazing Malaysia circuit anymore because the races would all be red flagged at this rate. They keep cutting down the number of tires they provide at these races and at the same time we've been stuck with a wet weather tire that doesn't work and that nobody will run outside of practice FOR YEARS. They fly those blue sidewall things around the world for no reason. How hard is it to make a wet tire that works like the Bridgestone monsoon tire?
Usually I think youre quite objective. That's why I like this f1talks. But this is straight up shithousery, Perez was still ahead you said? Yeah duh Ham just stayed behind for 2 seconds becuz of fhe bump. Hamilton with all his precious experience had plenty of enough room to even get the apex clean. He drifts wide wants to take to much speed, then bumps into perez side, just ending his race.
Are you implying he did it on purpose?
right? lewis knew it was slippery and by taking too much speed he just didnt have control over his car anymore so he made contact with perez which left a hole in his car. I think lewis would always have gotten a penalty even if perez wouldn’t have dropped down the field. I find this a similar situation with verstappen at silverstone. hamilton was in both occasion fully in the right to try and get alongside but on both occasions he just took way to much speed into the corner which resulted in him losing control and making contact.
@@jonasblomme1252 On purpose? He intentionally made contact into the other driver, while they were both in the middle of the track and Lewis was well alongside Perez.
@@TangoNevada no not on purpose my response was to the original comment, but I do think Lewis should have been more careful. He just took too much speed into the corner and it could have been avoided. Yes he was well alongside perez, but wasn’t in front of him and he had plenty of space left so penalty well deserved imo
@@jonasblomme1252Well. Perez had plenty of room on the outside. With Hamilton that far along side him, they both need to adjust to the situation and both had ways out of it, which makes it a racing incident. I'm no expert, but that's what all the experts seem to saying. Given the conditions, how far along side Lewis was and how much room there was on the track, they both decided to go for the same spot of track. But whatever, it was just a sprint race. I think Sprint Races and the points gained by them should be a seperate championship. It's so disconnected from the actual GP. that the points shouldn't be added to WDC's points.
There is a regulated 4.5 hour minimum between the sessions, if they shortened that time as a once off and a team didn't have a car ready how would that go down?
Hamilton wasn't directly alongside, he wouldn't have hit Checo's sidepod with his front wing otherwise. As a result, it's his responsibility for the collision and that's why he gets the penalty. Personally, I prefer this type of call from the stewards. They made the decision quickly and it seems pretty clear cut. If Hamilton had touched wheels, sure, racing indkcident, but that's not what happened. I prefer this level of tight calls to the wishy-washy nonsense of seasons past.
Max impedes Lewis: No further actions.
Lewis lightly nudges Perez: 5 second penalty.
I smell some strong bullshittery going on.
As for the amount of rain being "too much". No, it wassn't too much. Let them start on full wets, from the grid. This has been done for many years in the past.
Sure there have been crashes in de past due to rain. But that's part of the sport. Many people still remember the 1998 crash at Spa. It was an epic moment.
The only issue at hand is Eau Rouge. It's dangerous when wet, it's dangerous when damp, and it's dangerous when dry. But autosport is dangerous to start with.
Not a racing incident
One thing I remember from the delay, was the cameras switched to the crowd, and there was this kid inside a plastic bag or poncho (he was completely in it - the head and arms weren't poking out or anything) and the people around him were smiling and being happy 🤔
Im glad someone else saw this. Insanely dangerous move
Checo/Lewis seems very similar to Max/Lewis in Silverstone 21
Lewis trying to overtake up the inside, not fully alongside and lets the car run wide - RB on the outside not wanting to make it easy for Lewis so keeping the line tight
Its a tough call but isn't the rules basically that the car in front dictates the line (as long as they leave enough space for the other driver) and the trailing car works within the space they are left?
Its not even close to the same. Ham is fully along side, not tucking his nose in there.
@@KarvidSR Lewis wasn't tucking a nose in at Silverstone, he was 3/4 of the way alongside both times coming up to the entry, RB's carried more speed through the corner because they were on the wider line - the only difference was in Silverstone Lewis had to back off much more than Max as Copse is a faster corner so by the point of contact he was a few feet further back than he was today
@@DaveMcKeegan Are you saying these 2 incidents are the same? Bahahhaahaha
Delsusional haters are the most fun in this sport tbh
@@KarvidSR he is not fully along side. No shot his front tire hits Perez Oracle r on the car while being along side.
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as someone that was there yesterday, I enjoyed it a lot. had some great fun in the grandstands during the rain delay. Saturday brings the best motorsport content, F1, F2, Porsche cup, Historic F1.
If I had to choose between raceday or saturday, i'd always pick saturday.
As someone who did both days as well, I agree!
1. Car 2 was trying to make a pass, he did not make the pass safely and ran into his competitors car.
2. PCar 1 left proper spacing on the inside? Yes/ Car 2 leave proper spacing on the outside? No
A Car 2 deserves a penalty
Do i believe it was marginal sure. Was Perez going slow when Hamilton went for the overtake? No, he wasn’t. He was being patient, wait for a strait and overtake in a strait line. I’d say, good ambition ha,intoned but you don’t need to rush a move you’re more experienced and should know better than to force an overtake.
You can't do it earlier for broadcasting reason
I think the difference between the Hamilton alone on the grid and this year was the standing vs rolling start. This meant that those who stayed out on wets were already at speed when the others went into the pits. With a standing start people would pit, then rush out and wait for the light to go green. Seems like the variables were quire different, right?
True, but the Logic still stands, he would have been done with his Pitstop and who knows how many cars he would need to let pass before he could be released.
@@TangoNevada True. I just think the fact that the pit lane was open and no standing start would change the calculations.
@@TangoNevadahe would've lost time yes, but nowhere near the amount of time he actually lost due to standing start. There must be a rule that governs a standing start over a rolling one as it definitely would be a factor in decision making for the strategists.
Yes it was