For everyone wondering how Checo got a 1 instead of a zero, it's because getting 2 DNF's in one race is impressive enough to warrant at least one point.
@@tjeerd7360You can't get an DNQ, DNF and DSQ in the same race either, except if you're Hans Heyer. Perez withdrew and was labelled 'out' in the timing tower, came back on track, withdrew again and was labelled 'out' again. That is, in my book, two DNFs.
@@gameofender4463 Checo was a pure amateur out there, not a singular glimpse of comparison to his teammate in the exact same car, through practice or qualifying… And then a diabolical race that not even a rookie could be excused for, driving like a f1 23 online lobby player, a joke that he’s in a top team, and yet somehow he gets the same rank as George in Singapore. Stupid.. Checo is 0 this weekend and should be out of his seat asap
@@mohammadnashitsiddiqui2168I’d take anyone on the grid over him - Sargeant… ideally Lawson Ric or Tsunoda in 2025 though. Or Lando / Leclerc as their contracts are currently only through 24’ ?
@@jdm5330 Idk why Charles would make that move or Lando, they're going to be the B drivers and the car will be built for Max more than it will be built for them. The need someone to compliment Max more than anything and not someone to try and compete with him.
@@_chosen1_ It's said he could not know there were two Ferraris on the right. See the empty road ahead. Where would they be? No I'm not full blaming Hamilton, but he's done enough race starts to know Perez likely can't give him room.
The Lando bias is extreme with these two. To out qualify Lando on a track he’s never raced before and get a podium and a front row start is a 9 in my book.
@@JC-lu4se When you look at the ratings in the quality press that is the view that Oscar did well in quali but in the race Lando was on a different level. Remember he out qualified Lando by just .03 and that got him the front row start. You cant count it twice. Tommo docked Lando a point for that. He was in the second fastest car in the race . If Lando hadnt had issues and the virtual safety car hadnt happened (for once in Oscars favor) he could have ended up 30 secs behind Lando. Thats huge. Oscar admitted it wasnt a good drive. You dont like the reality of the drive being addressed rather than the hype around the driver. You need to get used to it. Oscar doesnt need the rookie excuse for a higher rating. He is a very good F1 driver.
"Yes he is in a good car, but the car doesn't drive itself" Well said Tommy 👏 I'm not a Max fan but he is a joy to watch and something every true f1 should appreciate being able to witness in real time. We hear the stories of Clark and Fangio, this is another chapter in that story so pay attention everyone!
@@Lastname6955nah Nyck takes the win. He definitely impressed us all. I’m not sure how anyone with his experience, debut and hype could be any less of a driver. That’s impressive.
How much pace must Lawson be holding back to be crash free after 4 weekends, performing so closely and even ahead of the 3-season veteran in the other car?
And still Tsunoda gets a 7 after being beaten by a 4-race rookie teammate It will be so so sad if we see Stroll and Sargent driving next season and Lawson without a seat
@@KA95132 I suspect Perez will solving Lawson's problem. "What you say, we do like Daniel at McLaren, you pay me and I don't drive?" They could have him do some promo events in Mexico and such, gets some reasonable value from him and not ask a lot of travel. If Williams were to get Lawson on loan and THEN Perez retires from F1 racing, there is a real problem already. Put Iwasa, Hauger or Hadjar in the AT? For Iwasa they'd want Honda money, Hauger and Hadjar are meh. Then there's Caldwell, Maloney and Fittipaldi. Any of them show they "got it"?
@@ftc-nl1041thats not true. You get a DNF because of a retirement. But it is not the same. You only DNF at the end of the race, when you dont cross the finishline. But you can retire the car during the race
The shocking part about Logan is that he seems to be getting worse. Bahrain and Saudi were his best performances of the year and it's been downhill ever since. Polar opposite to Oscar, who's been just okay early on and is now putting in amazing performances. Even Mick last year (since you cant really take Year 1 with THAT Haas into account), who had an awful start to the season, crashing lots and being generally slower than KMag greatly picked up the pace from Canada onward, being the faster Haas driver in an unfortunately yet again too slow of a car in the second half of the season. But compared to his teammate, he improved massively, even winning the race head-to-head despite less points - and he still lost that seat. Same goes for Yuki in his rookie season, he improved significantly and has been improving ever since. For Logan, it seems to be the polar opposite so far.
While Oscar seemed very much invisible until Silverstone, Logan began to be a Mazepin 1.5 We had 4 Rookies this Year, two of them do fine, the others are/were horrendous. I dont think that Williams is even capable of keeping Logan because he produces way to much costs with his crashes (not even taking into account that his skill is evolving backwards)
Yeah Logan had a few bright spots this season, he even had that one session in which he made it to Q3 and... immediately crashed the car. So inconsistent, so many rookie mistakes. I've been a big supporter of Logan Sargeant, believing he deserved another season to show what he can do, but now I think Liam Lawson is more deserving of a spot than he is. Maybe F1 just isn't for Sargeant, I hope he finds himself a spot in IndyCar or some other category where he can shine.
I think a part of it is he's driving with nothing to lose. Not saying he isn't or won't be great but we saw the same thing with Nyck last year and its possible that is a contributing factor. Hopefully the rumors that he was promised a seat for 2025 are true.
Rumours are that he has been promised a seat in the RB family in 2025 for signing on as the third driver for 2024. But with how Checo is performing, I could very well see Liam driving for either RB or AT in 2024 already.
There is a sound bite of Max after Singapore GP, when it says in an interview that he is fine with his race performance. This race he lost by 20 sec so he will try to win by 20 sec in Japan. That MF called it 2 weeks ago. Amazing performance.
And.... you may have missed it, but he was also joking. In reality, just watch the interviews in Dutch on Dutch television, you see Max wasn't bothered at all by what happened in Singapore. Usually he wins by twenty seconds, so it's just his way of saying he would return to form. And he did.
@@FrancisFjordCupolaI think he'd be pissed off if the car was capable of being up there but he couldn't manage to do it. In Singapore however, the car was just nowhere near the front, so what's the point in getting bothered by that
@@FrancisFjordCupola I don’t if I watched the Dutch of Spanish interview or both - I noticed he was “joking” or it was a tongue in cheek comment. But I can’t help but think, on some level, he really meant it. Similar to the comment after Q3, the “see 28” comment to GP as in saying, told you I could beat the 1.29 and it wasn’t really necessary
Would be cool to give the team/car a rating as well that could be apart from the drivers. You guys like to rate the driver independently of the car or strategy blunders so it would be fun to rate that as well.
That would be fun. Like the driver gets a 4 out of 5 but the team gets a 1/5 for forgetting to bring the tires out or something. Or the driver gets a 1/5 for running the car off the road and getting a pit lane speeding penalty and the team gets a 5/5 for a sub 3s stop and perfect strategy call.
From the first lap in FP1 (2 sec ahead on the grid) you could sense that Max was in slaughter mode and there was no use in betting against this guy this weekend.
With the amount of time Danny Ric has been out, I am wondering if Stroll has been driving injured for the season. He came back awfully fast from a similar injury and has never returned to form.
I’ve been wondering that for a while now. Not defending him entirely, but with how progressively “worse” he’s been as the season goes on it makes sense, (compared to the up & down “Strollercoaster” consistency he’s had really his whole F1 career).
@@michaelwilkie35. I would agree but he’s been progressively detached in his behavior as well. And Ric’s injury included multiple breaks in a single area, not one (on each side, sure) with stroll.
Stroll got an 8 (Matt) and a 9 (Tommy) in Bahrain when he did that sick overtake with a broken wrist. He got another 8 from Matt in Spain and a bunch of 7s early in the season when Aston Martin still had a good car. On average, he's scored a 4.8 over the season.
@@julianschwertzthewoodlands4161RBR is the only one with money enough to do that They're the only top team with a proper sister team that they don't care (or don't until next season) finish 10th
@julianschwertzthewoodlands4161 you recon a team like Williams can afford the estimated $4M in damages, they publicly stated that their development for next year is being hampered by these costs
Oscar piastri is the first rookie in 6 years to be on the podium and still it feels like you talk about him like he is not a rookie. Is it because he is so good that you forget?
I love the picture of Hamilton holding his back and giving a thumbs up! Always gives me a chuckle when I see you guys use that shot. Every...single...time....lol. 😂
If we changed F1s points system to top 15 gets points assuming they finish could you maybe do a video on who would have how many points? It would be interesting to see Yuki's points
Oscar deserves 10/10 being a rookie. Oscar has the potential to be as great as Schumi and Lewis. Might be Max's greatest competitor in 3 years. Oscar will become the no1 driver at McLaren when settled. I called Oscar moving to McLaren 1 year before it happened, and I am sure my predictions will come true. 40 years of watching F1 helps :)
I obsessively follow all motor racing, and i've commented before the season started that Sergeant is going to be the new Mazepin. Easy to see in other series when a driver is not up to F1 standard.
How often did he crash in F2 though? Genuine question as I don't actually remember. What I do know is that he was only 1 point behind Lawson who very much looks to be up to the standard of F1 so I'm not so sure you can judge drivers by how they perform in other series.
@@nommchompsky Given Piastri's display at Suzuka and Lawson at Singapore, I wonder how much weight never having raced at a given track really carries...
A lot hype for Lawson but let's see how he goes over a full season when he gets the opportunity. The Alpha Tauri car is completely different now from the AT car that Yuki raced in for most of the season.
I find it very easy to believe that Gasly burnt bridges at Redbull when you see things like his reaction at the end there. Let’s his anger out more than most
Max is probably the most angry driver on the grid, on the radio and in person, as shown in Brazil 2018. But the difference is he’s among the best F1 drivers ever so it’s fine. Gasly is an average F1 driver so can’t get away with the tantrums
You guys are giving Alonso way too much credit just because he’s Alonso. Any other driver got destroyed like that in the race you’d give them a 5 or 6. Sure it’s mainly the teams fault but Alonso didn’t have a particularly impressive performance. So how do you justify such an impressive rating?
If you had listened, you would have know that the car is not as developed as other cars and therefore Alonso really had to throw his weight around and push upwards to get that result. Same thing as with Max, basically; you may have the better car, you still have to pull through and he pulled through.
@@FrancisFjordCupola yeah but he didn’t really push it upwards. There was nothing particularly notable or good about his performance unless you count making Q3. He still finished behind all the Red Bulls, Mclarens, Ferraris and Mercs. Which are the only cars the Aston is currently worse than.
Bruh if he maximized everything, didn't made a single mistake, made a perfect start, if he pitted during vsc in start could have max p7. 8 is pretty good
No lol, its because that's where the car is atm. Alonso likely got the most out of the car since we know he can in fact do that, minimum 8 for Alonso tbh. He got the car as high as it can be
As a race fan, Red Bull and Max are amazing. As a Mercedes fan, man it is awesome seeing the silver arrows battle. And as a team LH Stan, I'm disappointed in George. But as a George fan. I'm just happy that F1 is in our lives.
Tommy giving Lando a 9/10, while almost every pod he is eager to give ALO 10/10 for the sole fact that he had participated in a race, is probably the most washed opinion since the invention of washing capsules. Insert "What else you want me to do" gif from American Dad
Love these videos but I have a suggestion: maybe rate each team as a whole over the weekend and at the end of the year you can add up all the points for drivers and constructors and make a video on who is your highest rated drivers/constructors
I think to be fair to Yuki, Oscar, Alonzo and some others I think the 1st pit stop undercut seemed a pretty Washed Strat. Seemed like you got track position at the cost of 20 laps going slower. The more even stints got to the finish line much quicker. The elbows out from George was great the Radio after Lewis elbowed back was weak as water. Made the wall tweet from last race really hit home
If you watch the slow mo of Sargeant and Bottas, he actually locked up after locking up. He locked up one of the fronts, bottas round the outside, then locked the other wheel and took bottas out
I always enjoy your channel, already when it was still called WTF!. One tiny thing though: I don't think it's necessary to mention OUT OF TEN every single time.
But that is what everyone wants from an unknown rookie; utter ruthless genius and exceeding all expectations and making the impossible possible. I think we have too few teams (should be 13 at least) and all of them holding on too hard to their current line-ups.
@@Evarakeus Liam was faster in Q1, but failed to hook up the lap in Q2, and was on pace with Yuki in the race. Everything I said is on the premise that Liam is still a rookie, who jumped in the car mid season nontheless, and the fact I rate Yuki.
I think I only disagree with the 10 for Norris, because the VSC was a huge mistake. 9 or 9.5 would be more than fair. It was an awesome race, but 10 would mean perfection. Other than that, I can pretty much agree with every other ratings. Great content guys!
wow an 8 for oscar.. might be my bias but 20s behind a teammate without losing a spot doesnt seem that bad especially since he'd be keeping the wear and tear on the car down as well for future races. no point caning it to be 1s behind lando when 20 is the same result.
I’m sorry to tell you but it matters. In Japan McLaren pace was way higher than the other teams that’s why his position wasn’t in serious threat. And that’s why Oscar wasn’t happy with his performance because he knew if teams were closer (like hungry) he was going to lose some positions.
I'm also an Oscar fan but I think 8 is actually a bit generous. Considering he got lucky with the VSC and Lando got held up he was actually well off the pace. I don't think it will last though. I don't think it will be too long before Oscar is a genuine threat to Lando in races as well as qualifying.
Does Piastri need to win the race to get a 9 or 10? Pretty tough on a track he's never raced on. It's funny how everyone keeps banging on about the 17 seconds that Piastri finished behind Norris but it was likely his engineer that was telling him to race at that pace to save his tyres. There was no need to race Norris as McLaren prioritised Norris as usual. All Piastri had to do was finish in front of LeClerc which he did by 8 seconds. Too much focus on the time he finished behind Norris when that wasn't his race and he was still finishing 3rd regardless of the gap. The fact Piastri beat Norris in qualifying on a track he had never raced on showed who will be the better driver next year. Isn't Norris the highest points scorer in history without a win to his name? Would be rather awkward if Piastri beats him to a win in his first season.
The fact that he still needs his engineer to tell him how to manage his tires means he still has room for improvement. It's not perfect so why argue for a 10?
How can you not give Perez a 0 for that race, it was absolutely pathetic 🤣 If he somehow manages not to come 2nd in the drivers championship in that car he should just be sacked on the spot imo
You mean Perez jolting to the left, pushing Lewis onto the grass and damaging his front wing as a result? I’ve seen a lot of people twisting that moment to make it sound like Lewis crashed into him, it’s crazy
I feel like you’ve not really given Ferrari drivers enough responsibility for the lap 1 incident that ruins Perez race and damages hamiltons car, it was absolutely a racing incident but if you’ve had a bad start and head to the left you can be fairly sure that someone is working their way alongside….
Honestly, I do think it was generous to give Logan a 1. Stroll got a zero in Singapore and earned it. Logan had his worst weekend to date with double crashes. Liam. AT's probably kicking themselves right now. I don't think Yuki's the one at risk...but it's shocking that a fresh rookie can come in absolutely on par with a 3rd year driver....and they've already signed a streaky veteran that's shortly to have his second "return" this year. Perez...1 may be a tad generous. Between Japan and Singapore, there's just stupid inexcusable mistakes and a lack of pace all around. Between the two races, he has half as many penalties as he deserved, and it's still a lot of penalties. Even though the car's won 15/16 races this year, he's missed the podium half of the time. Given Liam's current performance and Perez's current performance, I know which one I'd want driving for my team next year. They're gonna try to clinch P2...but Perez making it to the end of the year is likely dependent on Hamilton's performance.
Dude, how do you rate drivers when you are not even acquainted with their strategies? Tommy didn’t even know Russell opted for his strategy and you didn’t know that until the recording? Do some research ffs
It would be really good for F1 as a whole if Red Bull does swap their #2 driver during a dominant period, assuming Red Bull can keep winning past 2023. Whether it be Schumacher/Barichello, Vettel/Webber, or Hamilton/Bottas, all of the dominant champions settled in to driving against a passive team player, we haven't seen a rivalry between teammates since Rosberg in 2014-2016, and that was short lived.
Another peculiar strategy by Alpha Tauri not saving much harder tires, starting on softs, covering a HAAS at the race (knowing they will be doing 3 stops). And 10/10 for the trophie!
In haas' defense, russell did say after the race he thinks a 3 stop would have been better than a 1 stop. So the fact that nico did a 3 stop isn't necessarily a condemnation of their car. Their pace on the other hand.....
Feel sorry for Perez. He was so instrumental in Max's championship in 2021, but now he's a meme. But yeah, if RB give Tsunoda a chance mid year in 2024, he'll be dominated by Max and RB will have a reason to get rid of him like Gasly How Max continues to evolve is insane.
Yuki was beat because AT for some reason decided to keep Yuki out on terrible medium tires for way longer than they should have, allowing Liam to undercut him. Doesn’t take anything away from Liam, but given Yuki clearly had better pace in both qualifying and race, I think they both deserve the same grade.
Yeah, this is EXACTLY the same I've been thinking for a few weeks now. It makes the most sense. Checo's underperforming, and needs to go, but it would be risky to put Lawson in with little experience. I just fear that it would be a repeat of Gasly and Albon, not being ready for the pressure of going up against Max. So put Danny in there to keep the seat warm, while Lawson goes in the AT for a year or 2 to get some F1 experience so he doesnt suffer the same fate of all Max's previous team mates.
Its basically confirmed that this is their thinking. Danny stays in AT for 24, takes Checos seat for 25, Lawson moved into AT. Then my guess is Danny stays at RB for 2-3 seasons given I think that's about how much time he has left in the sport at that stage. Then I see Lawson taking his place and might be moving into being the No1 driver after 2028 since I think Max is leaving to do other racing categories after his contract is up
@@walover165not likely, other than Horner insisting that Checo is staying until next year, performances like in Japan are a rarity for Checo. You can be sure that Checo will get back to the top 5 or the podium in Qatar.
@@accent1666 Horner also said Gasly was safe and Albon was safe, too. And performances like Japan haven't been rare. Singapore and Monaco were like that too.
I feel like lance was actually having a decent race, super unlucky that he had to retire cause I think he would’ve been just behind Alonso. Also I do think he is having a bad season but I still think he deserves to be on the grid. If you look over the years he has had some standouts, just lacks consistency
If Lance got a 0 for ruining only his own race weekend in Singapore, surely Perez should be no higher after ruining his, Magnusson’s & blocking Lando under the VSC, (to be fair that may have been strategy). I have to say though, him retiring, then unretiring 20-something laps later to serve a penalty then retiring again rivals Hamilton’s “by himself” race start in Hungary a few years ago.
@@Oscar42o He had to pit because he got showered with debris from a collision ahead and some jammed in his front wing. It was completely unavoidable and it's not clear if there was any actual damage. It doesn't look like he ever touched another car. Again, unless I've missed a bit? Seems real harsh to knock his points for it.
@@CrAzY__SaM Not sure how that is meaningful in any way. So, RB without Checo would have 400 points, which still puts them ahead of other teams, but then other teams would have picked up more points so it might be close. So, let's say that after running the numbers, RB end up being second without Checo. Does this make Checo's contribution more meaningful or makes his performance look any better? Not really, all it shows is that, Max has been so dominant that he still almost single handedly won the title for the team, and the fact that you could probably have had Nick De Vries or Logan on that seat and RB would still have won quite comfortably. Also, I think the fundamental issue isn't necessarily about Perez's point contribution since the car is so fast that any driver should be placing P2 every race. It is the fact that, his pace is so significantly behind Max AND that he has made too many errors that, if the other teams start catching up, then Perez would start finishing much lower, and this could cost RB the championship. To put it into perspective, at Suzuka McLaren scored 33 points in total. IF Perez didn't screw up and finished P6, that would put RB at 34 points, barely beating McLaren. That kind of scenario is what RB need to be afraid of.
8 for Lewis. Turn one collision has the only one who could have anticipated. Did a Brasil 2021 on George. But an eight out of ten, why not. Its a bad car 🤣.
at 7.31 one emptyheaded says to the other, we qualify the race and not the qualification. then at 9.51 the qualifying round is recorded again by the other empty head, and then miraculously the one empty head speaks again, and yes, based on the qualifying round, a word for you. blowing tree wood. you hear something but it doesn't mean anything.
George is such a snake. He is eighth in the championship. And he is fighting like he's going for the championship Battle with Lewis Hamilton, who is clearly much better and ahead of him in the championship. What if George Russell was seventh and Lewis Hamilton was fighting for the first in championship and he would be behaving like a cry baby. And fighting his teammate the way he was is just bad Strategy and teamwork by the whole Mercedes team.
For tommy, the strategy Ferrari did with Carlos wasn't actually Ferrari's fault, but Carlos' because he asked to stay out more to have fresher tyres at the end
I can confidently say if I was in pierre's situation I would have just ignored the radio for the last few laps and said it didn't work. I imagine they're wireless otherwise I would literally just unplug my headset. For 1 point that's not something you waste the drama for as a team. That's how you can tell alpine won't be winning a championship anytime soon.
Liam won against Yuki but he certainly wasn't faster. Liam overtook him at the start because Yuki had to slow down because of the Ferraris, Perez and Hamilton. After that he was at Liam's rear end the whole time. Then they switched positions and Yuki was very slowly pulling way. At the end he then had much more pace (I'm not sure if his strategy was better either, he lost around 9 seconds to Liam by pitting 5 laps later and those were hards, I don't think 5 laps on hards with low fuel makes a difference of 0.5 seconds). Considering he's a rookie it was more impressive but objectively speaking Yuki had the better race imo I also wouldn't give them such a high grade. P11 and P12 sounds great but there were a lot of retirements (thanks Checo) so it looks better than it was Liam: 6/10 Yuki: 6.5/10
Verstappen is an exceptional driver with and exceptional car in an exceptional team. Remove either factor, and you won't get the level of dominance he's displayed this season. I am a fan of both Gasly and Ocon, with Gasly being ever so slightly above, and I see both sides. If Gasly wasn't told they'd switch back I definately understand his frustration - keeping in mind he comes across as very emotional over the radio be it positive or negative. Still, it was the right desicion to switch them back considering Ocon had let him through voluntarily. F1 is a team sport, with egotistical (as they need to be in order to get that far in motorsport) team players, who sometimes feel unfairly treated when they are objectively not.
I would actually drop seperate ratings from you guys. I noticed once again that you echo your scores, so it would be more interesting to give a grade on average and argue out eventual modification. Some even gimmick like a Man of the Weekend +2 points, Goatifi award or whatever to spice it up if you disagree.
Tommy doesn't need to be so apologetic about being a max fan, he is amazing and i would like for Tommy to show some more positive emotions towards that.
Yes, but only because KMag got held up behind that 3-way bump down towards turn 1. He lost about 4 positions on that because he had nowhere to go. I honestly don’t think Nico deserved a 5, because he still only ended up just ahead of KMag despite KMag losing so much time and many positions twice...
For everyone wondering how Checo got a 1 instead of a zero, it's because getting 2 DNF's in one race is impressive enough to warrant at least one point.
You cant get 2 DNF's in one race
@@tjeerd7360but Checo kinda did get that though😂
@@mia_adriana3494 kinda... but not really
@@tjeerd7360You can't get an DNQ, DNF and DSQ in the same race either, except if you're Hans Heyer. Perez withdrew and was labelled 'out' in the timing tower, came back on track, withdrew again and was labelled 'out' again. That is, in my book, two DNFs.
@@tjeerd7360 yeah I know
Im curious as to why you guys didn't give Checo 0/10 considering (I quote you both) "He couldn't have a worse race"
have they ever given a 0? i can't recall
@@aliciag9874 Yes, they have given 0 to drivers several times before
@@aliciag9874 Lance got it last week
For the quali I guess, otherwise Lance would've been -1 in Singapore.
Zero was 100% deserved
When I said I want a driver to unretire, I mean Seb and not Checo🤕
Tommy gave him the same rating Russell got in Singapore. Ridiculous.
@@gameofender4463 Checo was a pure amateur out there, not a singular glimpse of comparison to his teammate in the exact same car, through practice or qualifying… And then a diabolical race that not even a rookie could be excused for, driving like a f1 23 online lobby player, a joke that he’s in a top team, and yet somehow he gets the same rank as George in Singapore. Stupid.. Checo is 0 this weekend and should be out of his seat asap
@@jdm5330 I want Checo out as much as the next guy, but the replacements aren't ready yet
@@mohammadnashitsiddiqui2168I’d take anyone on the grid over him - Sargeant… ideally Lawson Ric or Tsunoda in 2025 though. Or Lando / Leclerc as their contracts are currently only through 24’ ?
@@jdm5330 Idk why Charles would make that move or Lando, they're going to be the B drivers and the car will be built for Max more than it will be built for them. The need someone to compliment Max more than anything and not someone to try and compete with him.
Checo getting the same as George in Singapore is unbelievable
Hating on George is the “cool” thing to do apparently. Hard to not feel sympathy for the guy even if he’s not your favourite.
1 out of 10 is too high for Checo, that race was an absolute 0.
@@takeit1229 that divebomb was so dumb
seriously the hate I've seen online has been insane @@gameofender4463
@@takeit1229this was the worst performance i have ever seen of a driver in a top team.
Im shocked Checo got a 1. I was thinking 0 this week.
They forgor💀
He was decent in quali
@@MoliikCZEhe was what? ☠
I figured we would see our first negative score
@@MoliikCZE ah yes, getting beaten by your teammat by 8 TENTHS is really a solid drive
How did Checo not get a 0? Will never know. That performance from Checo, as I like him, but it was an outright shocker of a race.
Their ratings never make sense. Mediocre race gets you a 7 or 8, everything else is a 4 or 5.
They account for Qualifying too. Stroll got a 0 last time because he qualified 20th and didn't participate in the race.
Maybe we need to blame Sainz and Hamilton for the start contact, the rest is on Perez.
@@Husshuss100if they are accounting for qualifying it should be a -1, not just 0.
He was 8 tenths off. It’s horrific
@@_chosen1_ It's said he could not know there were two Ferraris on the right. See the empty road ahead. Where would they be? No I'm not full blaming Hamilton, but he's done enough race starts to know Perez likely can't give him room.
Piastri didn’t have his best race finishing well behind Lando but he had never raced on this track before. That has to count for something.
+ they dont even rate him as a rookie anymore (which is a good and a bad thing)
The Lando bias is extreme with these two. To out qualify Lando on a track he’s never raced before and get a podium and a front row start is a 9 in my book.
@@JC-lu4se When you look at the ratings in the quality press that is the view that Oscar did well in quali but in the race Lando was on a different level. Remember he out qualified Lando by just .03 and that got him the front row start. You cant count it twice. Tommo docked Lando a point for that. He was in the second fastest car in the race . If Lando hadnt had issues and the virtual safety car hadnt happened (for once in Oscars favor) he could have ended up 30 secs behind Lando. Thats huge. Oscar admitted it wasnt a good drive. You dont like the reality of the drive being addressed rather than the hype around the driver. You need to get used to it. Oscar doesnt need the rookie excuse for a higher rating. He is a very good F1 driver.
Not just that...he let Lando pass...if he defended Lando would of worn his tyres alot more.
Also, his wage is way lower than Lando would not been mentioned either...
"Yes he is in a good car, but the car doesn't drive itself"
Well said Tommy 👏
I'm not a Max fan but he is a joy to watch and something every true f1 should appreciate being able to witness in real time. We hear the stories of Clark and Fangio, this is another chapter in that story so pay attention everyone!
Ocon's race engineer actually agreed to swap back. You can hear it on lap 49, before turn 10 i think. They just forgot to tell Pierre
Liam and Oscar are definitely rookies of the year
Competition from Logan hardly fierce
@@chriscampbell1309 or Nyck De Goat
@@Lastname6955nah Nyck takes the win. He definitely impressed us all. I’m not sure how anyone with his experience, debut and hype could be any less of a driver. That’s impressive.
How much pace must Lawson be holding back to be crash free after 4 weekends, performing so closely and even ahead of the 3-season veteran in the other car?
And still Tsunoda gets a 7 after being beaten by a 4-race rookie teammate
It will be so so sad if we see Stroll and Sargent driving next season and Lawson without a seat
@@KA95132 He qualified ahead of Lawson and was beaten in the race by a couple seconds... 8 for Lawson, 7 for Tsunoda seems quite fair.
@@KA95132 I suspect Perez will solving Lawson's problem. "What you say, we do like Daniel at McLaren, you pay me and I don't drive?" They could have him do some promo events in Mexico and such, gets some reasonable value from him and not ask a lot of travel. If Williams were to get Lawson on loan and THEN Perez retires from F1 racing, there is a real problem already. Put Iwasa, Hauger or Hadjar in the AT? For Iwasa they'd want Honda money, Hauger and Hadjar are meh. Then there's Caldwell, Maloney and Fittipaldi. Any of them show they "got it"?
@@soundscape26He was beaten but under a second, not a couple seconds
@@Cloxxki Iwasa and then Maloney, but Im not convinced either of them are anywhere close to Liam.
Double DNF for Redbull and Max still won by 20 seconds.
"Sir, there's been a 2nd front wing"
Technically it was a double retirement, not a double DNF!
@@2Fast4Mellow A retirement is a DNF and a DNF doesn't have to be a retirement.
@@ftc-nl1041thats not true. You get a DNF because of a retirement. But it is not the same. You only DNF at the end of the race, when you dont cross the finishline. But you can retire the car during the race
The shocking part about Logan is that he seems to be getting worse. Bahrain and Saudi were his best performances of the year and it's been downhill ever since.
Polar opposite to Oscar, who's been just okay early on and is now putting in amazing performances. Even Mick last year (since you cant really take Year 1 with THAT Haas into account), who had an awful start to the season, crashing lots and being generally slower than KMag greatly picked up the pace from Canada onward, being the faster Haas driver in an unfortunately yet again too slow of a car in the second half of the season. But compared to his teammate, he improved massively, even winning the race head-to-head despite less points - and he still lost that seat. Same goes for Yuki in his rookie season, he improved significantly and has been improving ever since.
For Logan, it seems to be the polar opposite so far.
Completely spot on
While Oscar seemed very much invisible until Silverstone, Logan began to be a Mazepin 1.5
We had 4 Rookies this Year, two of them do fine, the others are/were horrendous. I dont think that Williams is even capable of keeping Logan because he produces way to much costs with his crashes (not even taking into account that his skill is evolving backwards)
I mean for Oscar, the car he's driving is definitely getting better.
Yeah Logan had a few bright spots this season, he even had that one session in which he made it to Q3 and... immediately crashed the car.
So inconsistent, so many rookie mistakes. I've been a big supporter of Logan Sargeant, believing he deserved another season to show what he can do, but now I think Liam Lawson is more deserving of a spot than he is. Maybe F1 just isn't for Sargeant, I hope he finds himself a spot in IndyCar or some other category where he can shine.
@Oscar42o 100%, but it's still not a guaranteed podium and all. Just look at Checo. Or Strolls 0 podiums compared to Alonsos 7.
Can't wait for the day you guys differ in ratings for 3 or more drivers. Gonna be absolute scenes.
scenes it is then
we need katie back or a 3rd host so they feel comfortable having variety in their opinions
They even shared script for Zhou. “13th looks good on paper … only finished ahead of two Haas”
They differed on 5 in this video...
It will be a shame if Lawson can't find a seat next season. His performances are looking promising!
Agreed! I really hope Williams find some sense and replace Sargeant with Lawson.
Looking more likely he'll be driving for Alpha Tauri, there's no way Sergio survives this embarrassing career demise.
I think a part of it is he's driving with nothing to lose. Not saying he isn't or won't be great but we saw the same thing with Nyck last year and its possible that is a contributing factor. Hopefully the rumors that he was promised a seat for 2025 are true.
Rumours are that he has been promised a seat in the RB family in 2025 for signing on as the third driver for 2024.
But with how Checo is performing, I could very well see Liam driving for either RB or AT in 2024 already.
@@einstijn138 Nah, definitely not RB though
There is a sound bite of Max after Singapore GP, when it says in an interview that he is fine with his race performance. This race he lost by 20 sec so he will try to win by 20 sec in Japan. That MF called it 2 weeks ago. Amazing performance.
And.... you may have missed it, but he was also joking. In reality, just watch the interviews in Dutch on Dutch television, you see Max wasn't bothered at all by what happened in Singapore. Usually he wins by twenty seconds, so it's just his way of saying he would return to form. And he did.
Lol,
It reminds me of the Babe Ruth moment where he Called The Shot in baseball.
@@FrancisFjordCupolaI think he'd be pissed off if the car was capable of being up there but he couldn't manage to do it. In Singapore however, the car was just nowhere near the front, so what's the point in getting bothered by that
@@FrancisFjordCupola I don’t if I watched the Dutch of Spanish interview or both - I noticed he was “joking” or it was a tongue in cheek comment. But I can’t help but think, on some level, he really meant it. Similar to the comment after Q3, the “see 28” comment to GP as in saying, told you I could beat the 1.29 and it wasn’t really necessary
Would be cool to give the team/car a rating as well that could be apart from the drivers. You guys like to rate the driver independently of the car or strategy blunders so it would be fun to rate that as well.
That would be fun. Like the driver gets a 4 out of 5 but the team gets a 1/5 for forgetting to bring the tires out or something. Or the driver gets a 1/5 for running the car off the road and getting a pit lane speeding penalty and the team gets a 5/5 for a sub 3s stop and perfect strategy call.
From the first lap in FP1 (2 sec ahead on the grid) you could sense that Max was in slaughter mode and there was no use in betting against this guy this weekend.
Makes you wonder why the other 19 don't use that mode sometimes.
Checo was in slaughter mode too, just with different targets to hit@@Cloxxki
the battle between Yuki an Lawson was amazing, they battled without hitting each other, pure sport
With the amount of time Danny Ric has been out, I am wondering if Stroll has been driving injured for the season. He came back awfully fast from a similar injury and has never returned to form.
I’ve been wondering that for a while now. Not defending him entirely, but with how progressively “worse” he’s been as the season goes on it makes sense, (compared to the up & down “Strollercoaster” consistency he’s had really his whole F1 career).
@@michaelwilkie35. I would agree but he’s been progressively detached in his behavior as well. And Ric’s injury included multiple breaks in a single area, not one (on each side, sure) with stroll.
5 is probably the best Lance Stroll have got this season lol
lol
He was actually good at the start of the season with a few 7/8s but now he’s dropped off
Stroll got an 8 (Matt) and a 9 (Tommy) in Bahrain when he did that sick overtake with a broken wrist. He got another 8 from Matt in Spain and a bunch of 7s early in the season when Aston Martin still had a good car. On average, he's scored a 4.8 over the season.
@@thomasvrielink299are you a stroll fan keeping scores or do you have an amazing out of this world memory?
He got a P4 in Australia... under unusual circumstances alright, but that should have earned him a 7 or something.
5 for Stroll? The only point i would give him is if he got out of the car and let Jessica Hawkins drive.
So you think lance deserves a 0 out of 10 for being 10 seconds behind alonso, then alonso must be a 2 out of 10
At this point I belive that you are giving Fernando a point for every breath he takes in a race.
Fernando: *Breath*
That's a whopping 8/10 for me!
Sargeant is becoming a joke right now. Surely there must be a lot of money backing him from the States or else he would have been long gone
Long gone? Just because RBR did RBR things with De Vries (and Kvyat. and Gasly) doesn't mean other teams are as ruthless with their drivers.
I mean A LOT of money indeed cause his crashes are already costing $4M
@@julianschwertzthewoodlands4161 f1 is not a school , he is to green to f1, they are just burning him.
@@julianschwertzthewoodlands4161RBR is the only one with money enough to do that
They're the only top team with a proper sister team that they don't care (or don't until next season) finish 10th
@julianschwertzthewoodlands4161 you recon a team like Williams can afford the estimated $4M in damages, they publicly stated that their development for next year is being hampered by these costs
Carlos always very good with strategies and very smart, still, it was himself that asked to stay longer on that 2nd stint
Oscar piastri is the first rookie in 6 years to be on the podium and still it feels like you talk about him like he is not a rookie. Is it because he is so good that you forget?
It's because rookies have been bred out of the sport. There used to be little special about rookies since most drivers just ran two or three seasons.
He really should have two podiums this year
Lando challenged max for 1 and a half turns. 10 is a little generous
He beat his teammate by 20 seconds though
Great podcast!! Matt close your door and put a nice (F1) banner or poster up
Lando should have got an extra 1/2 point because of his epic start into the first corner. He almost had max from p3!
Part of that is Max was trying to squeeze out Piastri so he was moving sideways a fair bit instead of holding a line.
Disgusting McLaren bias stinks
Maybe he lost that 1/2 a point by getting beaten in quali.
Almost. But he didnt take the lead.
I love the picture of Hamilton holding his back and giving a thumbs up! Always gives me a chuckle when I see you guys use that shot. Every...single...time....lol. 😂
Logan is a beast, he started losing the car kept his foot down and up shifted. Absolute animal! Pin it to win it. Colin Mcrae style
If we changed F1s points system to top 15 gets points assuming they finish could you maybe do a video on who would have how many points? It would be interesting to see Yuki's points
Oscar deserves 10/10 being a rookie. Oscar has the potential to be as great as Schumi and Lewis. Might be Max's greatest competitor in 3 years. Oscar will become the no1 driver at McLaren when settled. I called Oscar moving to McLaren 1 year before it happened, and I am sure my predictions will come true. 40 years of watching F1 helps :)
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I obsessively follow all motor racing, and i've commented before the season started that Sergeant is going to be the new Mazepin. Easy to see in other series when a driver is not up to F1 standard.
How often did he crash in F2 though? Genuine question as I don't actually remember. What I do know is that he was only 1 point behind Lawson who very much looks to be up to the standard of F1 so I'm not so sure you can judge drivers by how they perform in other series.
16:14 very strange to see Lewis get the same score as Oscar, while Oscar performed so much better. Would give Lewis a 6 this race
You should also add a teams ratting after every race, it would be hilarious to see you guys rating Ferrari after races like last year Monaco
Perez had a bad race even if he were a rookie at Suzuka.
And yet he gets the same as George in Singapore 😂.
@@gameofender4463 Excepting George was racing for win and Perez hit 3 cars in the best car.
Especially when a rookie who had never driven Suzuka made the podium
@@nommchompsky Given Piastri's display at Suzuka and Lawson at Singapore, I wonder how much weight never having raced at a given track really carries...
@@soundscape26 True. Modern simulators with laser scanned tracks are probably huge for track knowledge
A lot hype for Lawson but let's see how he goes over a full season when he gets the opportunity. The Alpha Tauri car is completely different now from the AT car that Yuki raced in for most of the season.
I find it very easy to believe that Gasly burnt bridges at Redbull when you see things like his reaction at the end there. Let’s his anger out more than most
Well its no secret that RB didn't get on with how he worked during a race weekend and that they didn't want him back when they had a vacant seat
Gasly was always a hothead.
Max is probably the most angry driver on the grid, on the radio and in person, as shown in Brazil 2018. But the difference is he’s among the best F1 drivers ever so it’s fine. Gasly is an average F1 driver so can’t get away with the tantrums
You guys are giving Alonso way too much credit just because he’s Alonso. Any other driver got destroyed like that in the race you’d give them a 5 or 6. Sure it’s mainly the teams fault but Alonso didn’t have a particularly impressive performance. So how do you justify such an impressive rating?
I mean that Aston it seems is nowhere near the top 4 cars, so what you expect from him more than a solid 8th
If you had listened, you would have know that the car is not as developed as other cars and therefore Alonso really had to throw his weight around and push upwards to get that result. Same thing as with Max, basically; you may have the better car, you still have to pull through and he pulled through.
@@FrancisFjordCupola yeah but he didn’t really push it upwards. There was nothing particularly notable or good about his performance unless you count making Q3. He still finished behind all the Red Bulls, Mclarens, Ferraris and Mercs. Which are the only cars the Aston is currently worse than.
Bruh if he maximized everything, didn't made a single mistake, made a perfect start, if he pitted during vsc in start could have max p7. 8 is pretty good
No lol, its because that's where the car is atm. Alonso likely got the most out of the car since we know he can in fact do that, minimum 8 for Alonso tbh. He got the car as high as it can be
Charles was a 9 for me, his quali was not far off the McLaren's while slapping Sainz and couldn't have got more out of the race.
Also his overtake on Russel was amazing and he had similar pace to Piastri most of the race
As a race fan, Red Bull and Max are amazing. As a Mercedes fan, man it is awesome seeing the silver arrows battle. And as a team LH Stan, I'm disappointed in George. But as a George fan. I'm just happy that F1 is in our lives.
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Tommy giving Lando a 9/10, while almost every pod he is eager to give ALO 10/10 for the sole fact that he had participated in a race, is probably the most washed opinion since the invention of washing capsules. Insert "What else you want me to do" gif from American Dad
spot on
its literally just for fun calm down man
Sad Lando Fan 😢
Maybe a point off for being a whiny brat on the radio?
Love these videos but I have a suggestion: maybe rate each team as a whole over the weekend and at the end of the year you can add up all the points for drivers and constructors and make a video on who is your highest rated drivers/constructors
I think to be fair to Yuki, Oscar, Alonzo and some others I think the 1st pit stop undercut seemed a pretty Washed Strat. Seemed like you got track position at the cost of 20 laps going slower. The more even stints got to the finish line much quicker.
The elbows out from George was great the Radio after Lewis elbowed back was weak as water. Made the wall tweet from last race really hit home
If you watch the slow mo of Sargeant and Bottas, he actually locked up after locking up. He locked up one of the fronts, bottas round the outside, then locked the other wheel and took bottas out
I always enjoy your channel, already when it was still called WTF!.
One tiny thing though: I don't think it's necessary to mention OUT OF TEN every single time.
1/10 is generous for Perez, it was a solid 0/10 performance
He made to Q3, credit where credit is due 😂
You should start doing overall grades for the teams too on a scale of 1-10
There shld be a constructor’s ratings too… pitstop strategies and all 🤔
don't forget that piastri as never drive there...
Don't know how Lawson is supposed to do any better, the cars ahead of him are unbeatable under normal circumstances.
But that is what everyone wants from an unknown rookie; utter ruthless genius and exceeding all expectations and making the impossible possible. I think we have too few teams (should be 13 at least) and all of them holding on too hard to their current line-ups.
He was slower than Yuki in qualy and the race
@@Evarakeus Liam was faster in Q1, but failed to hook up the lap in Q2, and was on pace with Yuki in the race.
Everything I said is on the premise that Liam is still a rookie, who jumped in the car mid season nontheless, and the fact I rate Yuki.
I think I only disagree with the 10 for Norris, because the VSC was a huge mistake. 9 or 9.5 would be more than fair. It was an awesome race, but 10 would mean perfection. Other than that, I can pretty much agree with every other ratings. Great content guys!
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wow an 8 for oscar.. might be my bias but 20s behind a teammate without losing a spot doesnt seem that bad especially since he'd be keeping the wear and tear on the car down as well for future races. no point caning it to be 1s behind lando when 20 is the same result.
I’m sorry to tell you but it matters. In Japan McLaren pace was way higher than the other teams that’s why his position wasn’t in serious threat. And that’s why Oscar wasn’t happy with his performance because he knew if teams were closer (like hungry) he was going to lose some positions.
I'm also an Oscar fan but I think 8 is actually a bit generous. Considering he got lucky with the VSC and Lando got held up he was actually well off the pace. I don't think it will last though. I don't think it will be too long before Oscar is a genuine threat to Lando in races as well as qualifying.
Does Piastri need to win the race to get a 9 or 10? Pretty tough on a track he's never raced on.
It's funny how everyone keeps banging on about the 17 seconds that Piastri finished behind Norris but it was likely his engineer that was telling him to race at that pace to save his tyres. There was no need to race Norris as McLaren prioritised Norris as usual. All Piastri had to do was finish in front of LeClerc which he did by 8 seconds. Too much focus on the time he finished behind Norris when that wasn't his race and he was still finishing 3rd regardless of the gap. The fact Piastri beat Norris in qualifying on a track he had never raced on showed who will be the better driver next year. Isn't Norris the highest points scorer in history without a win to his name? Would be rather awkward if Piastri beats him to a win in his first season.
The fact that he still needs his engineer to tell him how to manage his tires means he still has room for improvement. It's not perfect so why argue for a 10?
How can you not give Perez a 0 for that race, it was absolutely pathetic 🤣 If he somehow manages not to come 2nd in the drivers championship in that car he should just be sacked on the spot imo
Some of it bad luck, some of it being Lewis Hamilton taking out his front wing at the start.
You mean Perez jolting to the left, pushing Lewis onto the grass and damaging his front wing as a result?
I’ve seen a lot of people twisting that moment to make it sound like Lewis crashed into him, it’s crazy
There's no way you actually think that was Hamilton's fault
I feel like you’ve not really given Ferrari drivers enough responsibility for the lap 1 incident that ruins Perez race and damages hamiltons car, it was absolutely a racing incident but if you’ve had a bad start and head to the left you can be fairly sure that someone is working their way alongside….
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The one we have been all waiting for at 5.25 in this video.
VER 10
PER 2
LEC 8
SAI 7
HAM 7
GR 6
ALO 7
STR 4
NOR 10
PIA 9
OCO 7
GAS 8
BOT 5
ZHO 6
HUL 5
MAG 5
TSU 7
LAW 8
ALB 5
SAR 1
Honestly, I do think it was generous to give Logan a 1. Stroll got a zero in Singapore and earned it. Logan had his worst weekend to date with double crashes.
Liam. AT's probably kicking themselves right now. I don't think Yuki's the one at risk...but it's shocking that a fresh rookie can come in absolutely on par with a 3rd year driver....and they've already signed a streaky veteran that's shortly to have his second "return" this year.
Perez...1 may be a tad generous. Between Japan and Singapore, there's just stupid inexcusable mistakes and a lack of pace all around. Between the two races, he has half as many penalties as he deserved, and it's still a lot of penalties. Even though the car's won 15/16 races this year, he's missed the podium half of the time. Given Liam's current performance and Perez's current performance, I know which one I'd want driving for my team next year. They're gonna try to clinch P2...but Perez making it to the end of the year is likely dependent on Hamilton's performance.
Ha got it super early. I’m so glad mclaren turned their season around
Dude, how do you rate drivers when you are not even acquainted with their strategies? Tommy didn’t even know Russell opted for his strategy and you didn’t know that until the recording?
Do some research ffs
It's entertainment bud, relax.
It would be really good for F1 as a whole if Red Bull does swap their #2 driver during a dominant period, assuming Red Bull can keep winning past 2023.
Whether it be Schumacher/Barichello, Vettel/Webber, or Hamilton/Bottas, all of the dominant champions settled in to driving against a passive team player, we haven't seen a rivalry between teammates since Rosberg in 2014-2016, and that was short lived.
Another peculiar strategy by Alpha Tauri not saving much harder tires, starting on softs, covering a HAAS at the race (knowing they will be doing 3 stops). And 10/10 for the trophie!
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In haas' defense, russell did say after the race he thinks a 3 stop would have been better than a 1 stop. So the fact that nico did a 3 stop isn't necessarily a condemnation of their car.
Their pace on the other hand.....
Feel sorry for Perez.
He was so instrumental in Max's championship in 2021, but now he's a meme. But yeah, if RB give Tsunoda a chance mid year in 2024, he'll be dominated by Max and RB will have a reason to get rid of him like Gasly
How Max continues to evolve is insane.
this > power rankings
Lurgy sage needs to be driving a Tonka Toy just to save the mechanics some late nights.
You know what would be a good rating system? Rate the car and the driver and take the average. Might just produce interesting results.
Yuki was beat because AT for some reason decided to keep Yuki out on terrible medium tires for way longer than they should have, allowing Liam to undercut him. Doesn’t take anything away from Liam, but given Yuki clearly had better pace in both qualifying and race, I think they both deserve the same grade.
I reckon Yuki and Daniel staying is to pave way to get rid of Checo for Daniel, and promote Lawson into AT.
Yeah, this is EXACTLY the same I've been thinking for a few weeks now. It makes the most sense. Checo's underperforming, and needs to go, but it would be risky to put Lawson in with little experience. I just fear that it would be a repeat of Gasly and Albon, not being ready for the pressure of going up against Max. So put Danny in there to keep the seat warm, while Lawson goes in the AT for a year or 2 to get some F1 experience so he doesnt suffer the same fate of all Max's previous team mates.
And if Perez keeps driving like this, it will happen before next season begins.
Its basically confirmed that this is their thinking. Danny stays in AT for 24, takes Checos seat for 25, Lawson moved into AT. Then my guess is Danny stays at RB for 2-3 seasons given I think that's about how much time he has left in the sport at that stage. Then I see Lawson taking his place and might be moving into being the No1 driver after 2028 since I think Max is leaving to do other racing categories after his contract is up
@@walover165not likely, other than Horner insisting that Checo is staying until next year, performances like in Japan are a rarity for Checo.
You can be sure that Checo will get back to the top 5 or the podium in Qatar.
@@accent1666 Horner also said Gasly was safe and Albon was safe, too. And performances like Japan haven't been rare. Singapore and Monaco were like that too.
Did Matt really give Piastri a lower grade here than singapore?
Oscar race pace was so bad here. I think in Singapore without the upgrades was closer to Lando than here
He beat every car except his teammate and Max.@@remeah2211
Yuki is pure entertainment can we have his radio on constantly during the race🏎🏎🎤🛸🧋💕🛞
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I feel like lance was actually having a decent race, super unlucky that he had to retire cause I think he would’ve been just behind Alonso.
Also I do think he is having a bad season but I still think he deserves to be on the grid. If you look over the years he has had some standouts, just lacks consistency
Yes having a great race, I watched his onboard but yeah a bad season too.
I don't think he is a f1material but anyway
If Lance got a 0 for ruining only his own race weekend in Singapore, surely Perez should be no higher after ruining his, Magnusson’s & blocking Lando under the VSC, (to be fair that may have been strategy).
I have to say though, him retiring, then unretiring 20-something laps later to serve a penalty then retiring again rivals Hamilton’s “by himself” race start in Hungary a few years ago.
And after a weekend where he ruined Tsunoda and Albon's races by doing the exact same thing he did to Magnussen.
I clicked on this video strictly to see the Logan flaming bit. Lol
How come Zhou never gets the same excuses other drivers get?
Did he even get damage on lap 1? I know he had debris from another car stuck to his wing, but I must have missed it if he was in a collision as well.
Feel the same. 5 points for 13th finish vs 5 points for DNF doesn't make any sense to me. Is this Japan GP rating or personal preference rating?
@@tom.m he had damage and had to pit.
@@Oscar42o He had to pit because he got showered with debris from a collision ahead and some jammed in his front wing. It was completely unavoidable and it's not clear if there was any actual damage. It doesn't look like he ever touched another car. Again, unless I've missed a bit?
Seems real harsh to knock his points for it.
these guys never really pay attention to 90% of the drivers, they just rate them based on results
correction: saint asked to stay out longer both stints so that wasn't ferrari's fault
I still think Miami was Max's best drive of the year. This was a close 2nd tho.
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Video idea : u guys can do a video were u could find out were would redbull be if checo wasn't in the team and redbull just ran max only
Plenty of other youtubers have done that already.
@@tak8261 they have done one without mac or redbull i said one without checo just to se if he was actually useless in wining this championship
@@CrAzY__SaM Not sure how that is meaningful in any way. So, RB without Checo would have 400 points, which still puts them ahead of other teams, but then other teams would have picked up more points so it might be close.
So, let's say that after running the numbers, RB end up being second without Checo. Does this make Checo's contribution more meaningful or makes his performance look any better? Not really, all it shows is that, Max has been so dominant that he still almost single handedly won the title for the team, and the fact that you could probably have had Nick De Vries or Logan on that seat and RB would still have won quite comfortably.
Also, I think the fundamental issue isn't necessarily about Perez's point contribution since the car is so fast that any driver should be placing P2 every race. It is the fact that, his pace is so significantly behind Max AND that he has made too many errors that, if the other teams start catching up, then Perez would start finishing much lower, and this could cost RB the championship. To put it into perspective, at Suzuka McLaren scored 33 points in total. IF Perez didn't screw up and finished P6, that would put RB at 34 points, barely beating McLaren. That kind of scenario is what RB need to be afraid of.
8 for Lewis. Turn one collision has the only one who could have anticipated. Did a Brasil 2021 on George. But an eight out of ten, why not. Its a bad car 🤣.
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at 7.31 one emptyheaded says to the other, we qualify the race and not the qualification. then at 9.51 the qualifying round is recorded again by the other empty head, and then miraculously the one empty head speaks again, and yes, based on the qualifying round, a word for you. blowing tree wood. you hear something but it doesn't mean anything.
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Am the only one understanding “finishing in front of the Ass’s” instead of Haas’es? Probably just me 😂😂
So Charles in Singapore had a "bad weekend" ending p4, but for Japan, it's a good weekend with the same result because he's in front of Carlos!? Lmao
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George is such a snake. He is eighth in the championship. And he is fighting like he's going for the championship Battle with Lewis Hamilton, who is clearly much better and ahead of him in the championship. What if George Russell was seventh and Lewis Hamilton was fighting for the first in championship and he would be behaving like a cry baby. And fighting his teammate the way he was is just bad Strategy and teamwork by the whole Mercedes team.
What a load of delusional rubbish 😂.
For tommy, the strategy Ferrari did with Carlos wasn't actually Ferrari's fault, but Carlos' because he asked to stay out more to have fresher tyres at the end
From all us Lance fans, thank you Matt
I can confidently say if I was in pierre's situation I would have just ignored the radio for the last few laps and said it didn't work. I imagine they're wireless otherwise I would literally just unplug my headset. For 1 point that's not something you waste the drama for as a team. That's how you can tell alpine won't be winning a championship anytime soon.
I think you two were rarely so in unison with your ratings!
Liam won against Yuki but he certainly wasn't faster. Liam overtook him at the start because Yuki had to slow down because of the Ferraris, Perez and Hamilton. After that he was at Liam's rear end the whole time. Then they switched positions and Yuki was very slowly pulling way. At the end he then had much more pace (I'm not sure if his strategy was better either, he lost around 9 seconds to Liam by pitting 5 laps later and those were hards, I don't think 5 laps on hards with low fuel makes a difference of 0.5 seconds). Considering he's a rookie it was more impressive but objectively speaking Yuki had the better race imo
I also wouldn't give them such a high grade. P11 and P12 sounds great but there were a lot of retirements (thanks Checo) so it looks better than it was
Liam: 6/10
Yuki: 6.5/10
you're being very generous this week!
Verstappen is an exceptional driver with and exceptional car in an exceptional team. Remove either factor, and you won't get the level of dominance he's displayed this season.
I am a fan of both Gasly and Ocon, with Gasly being ever so slightly above, and I see both sides. If Gasly wasn't told they'd switch back I definately understand his frustration - keeping in mind he comes across as very emotional over the radio be it positive or negative. Still, it was the right desicion to switch them back considering Ocon had let him through voluntarily. F1 is a team sport, with egotistical (as they need to be in order to get that far in motorsport) team players, who sometimes feel unfairly treated when they are objectively not.
Yuki was quicker than Lawson and caught up 6 seconds after being undercut but team didn't let him pass after being in DRS of him for ages.
Tsunoda is not good, shows zero improvement in third year. He is only there to keep Honda happy then he is gone.
I would actually drop seperate ratings from you guys. I noticed once again that you echo your scores, so it would be more interesting to give a grade on average and argue out eventual modification. Some even gimmick like a Man of the Weekend +2 points, Goatifi award or whatever to spice it up if you disagree.
Thanks for being acting on my TH-cam channel 🙏 you're selected as my winner🎁🏆🚀
Checo hitting Tsunoda, Albon, K-Mag when he is driving a red bull is ridiculous
Is there a numerical logic based on which u talk about teams, for example: last->first?
I reckon by team standing in the constructors champion ship from the previous season. Just like the box allocation for the teams
Tommy doesn't need to be so apologetic about being a max fan, he is amazing and i would like for Tommy to show some more positive emotions towards that.
Nico was ahead of Mag on track before the first stops and Mag getting attacked by Perez.
Yes, but only because KMag got held up behind that 3-way bump down towards turn 1. He lost about 4 positions on that because he had nowhere to go. I honestly don’t think Nico deserved a 5, because he still only ended up just ahead of KMag despite KMag losing so much time and many positions twice...
You guys didnt say anything on Perez getting hit by 2 ferraris and a Mercedes. That was not his fault. The Ferrari shunt him
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I agree with every rating accept Perez, that's a 0 if I've ever seen one
Great job once again Matt and Tommie, love the work!