I work for an arborist. Our guys are professionally trained and certified . All trees should be trimmed according to their species. Palms are always tricky, but the number one rule is that they are never cut them from the bottom. Prayers for the family at this sad time.
Pretty harsh comments. There probably should be standards both for the contractor (owner of the company) and even the homeowner making sure the tree is cared for consistently, not letting the palm tree prongs pile up like that. My condolences to the family.
No judgement. A father and grandfather is now gone.. no matter what happened. Grief will have many stages to deal with. And anger and wanting answers is a stage. May you find peace as you go through life and try to remember the good times and block out all the ignorant un- compassionate heartless comments… TH-cam is very toxic..
During my training in Australia, I learned that when a harness is improperly strapped around the groin area, it can impede blood flow, leading to potential circulatory issues. In such cases, there is a window of only fifteen to twenty minutes before the situation becomes critical, meaning Dead weight around the harness, no support
Careless reckless or over confident never ever cut palm fronds from below! I unfortunately live at a property with 6 huge palm trees and had to cut them myself with help of my contractor uncle! you have to be extremely careful each fronds can weight over 100lbs!
He's right if he had the experience they say he knew the situation before going up it that macho bs that gets people killed rip to the man@@LAURA093058
Arborist did the unsafe route to trim the palm tree. He needed to shoot a line to the top of the palm tree. Then secure a line and use a harness, trim from the top thus making it safe. Sorry for the families loss.
Good point! Or he could have used a spider lift. But they can get expensive. A 'big shot' slingshot attaches to a pole-saw pole and can shoot a line up over 50 feet! There's no reason any arborist should be cutting frond clumps underneath.
Unfortunately, a family member commented last week that his uncle always drank alcohol on the job🤷♀️. I’m not sure that comment will help his law suit.
I walked into a little local market. A "tree company" employee was in there on his lunch break buying cold beer. They towed a big grinder on the back of their truck. I took down all the info, and used it.
He worked for an UNREGISTERED BUSINESS. HE KNEW IT WAS UNREGISTERED. He made the decision to work for a contractor that allowed HIM to do things the way HE wanted to do them and sadly it got him killed. Now the family wants to SUE the HOMEOWNER and the BUSINESS. Greedy.
Well watching the rescue live and wondering what might have gone wrong, i found a video on YT by the California Dept of Public Health - "Preventing Palm Tree Trimmer Fatalities" (4/21/14). It highlights how dangerous palm tree trimming is and features a family of a tree trimmer that lost a loved one. RIP Mr. Leiva and condolences to his family 🙏
there is some liability for the property owner or who ever enabled the accident to take place. If you hire some fool and send him up your tree to do your bidding YOU are responsible under the law for their safety , all this assumes ofc that this guy was a independent unlicensed under the table laborer which is the norm in these cases.
@@MrJohnnybe123 maybe.The family will likely sue the homeowner for hiring a licensed tree trimmer company. And she will win if her father was an employee. That's why you should only hire licensed and bonded companies.There is a HUGE risk to the homeowner.
Anyone trimming trees for decades knows not to cut mexican fan palm fronds from underneath. The dangers of this method are well documented. Fan palm fronds should only be trimmed from above as they at times free fall in a clump.
Hiring the lowest bidder can become very costly. They have no liability insurance to cover damage to the property and no workman's comp to cover their workers' injuries, then if something bad happens, it may fall on the homeowner, who actually accepted the lowest bid. Hopefully, there was a contract with specifics.
I guarantee you that woman has already called an attorney because you hear what she said. Home owners should hire a contractor obviously not their father. This is why I cut all my palm trees down they are not even native to most of the US. I'm in AZ million of them here this happens all the time. They provide little shade and require high risk maintenance. I hired a licensed tree contractor cut down 21 palm trees in my yard when I bought my house.
So, this man worked for a fellow that was NOT licensed. The dead guy knew it. The dead guy’s family knew it. And NOW he dead guy’s is denouncing the dead guy’s employer for not having a license! I’ll bet that the dead guy and his employer worked for cash under the table and avoided paying any income tax- which the dead guy;s family would have known. But, now it is not the dead guy’s fault he is dead, it is someone else’s fault!
Yeah it's totally the worker's fault and not the guy literally breaking the law, that makes total sense if you're from cloud cuckoo land I guess. Let me guess, small business owner? 😂
Well the dead guys family is the ones on here blaming the company owner and it's probably bc yes their dad worked for cash and yes they knew it and knew along with that ment no workman's comp and no accident insurance. So now they don't get paid, so now it's a problem that their dad was working for tax-free cash. So now it's a problem, but it was a risk they took to work for cash. My cousin used to be a tree climber, and a lot of the tree companies he worked for were cash paying companies. But they were easier to get on with and more of them than legit companies. What happened here was a on the job accident, and it's a known hazard in trimming them. He knew the risk he took the risk and the risk caught him. Don't blame the company now that the risk bit them. The only thing that would have changed with the company being legit would be the families' payout. He would have still made the same mistake that killed himself.
@@PunishedFelix I did NOT say it was “totally the worker’s fault.” However, the dead guy is equally to blame. The family said he worked for this guy for a long time- do you honestly thing the dead guy didn’t know the situation???? Furthermore, they were both breaking the law, not just the business owner. They were skirting, well, out and out breaking, the law- both of them!
He was either not properly instructed on cutting palm fronds, or the deceased ignored or forgot instruction. There's really no other reason for him to be cutting the fronds while under them. Proving that the deceased wasnt properly instructed is going to be very difficult.
I am so sorry this tree trimmer lost his life but nobody’s to blame but himself. He put himself in that dangerous situation. He should’ve known better than to trim that palm tree from the bottom.
Why do people always blame everyone but the person doing the work? I work as a pipe welder and sometimes I have to make welds on live natural gas lines or up to 300 feet above ground level and it is up to me to inspect my safety equipment and make sure I am safe. If something isn’t up to standards I have it replaced before I put my butt on the line no amount of money can make me ignore safety if my employer doesn’t like it I can grab my stuff and leave and call osha so someone else doesn’t have to do it under dangerous conditions
If he got knocked out and he was hanging in his harness, the harness cut off his marjor arteries in his legs and the blood can’t return flow to he heart. You have about 5 minutes to get out of the harness. They now have drop down leg straps. But they won’t work if he can’t get them released. Prayer for the family ❤🙏 and his loved ones
BS!!! No different than having a tourniquet on each leg. You may lose your legs but not your life. This man wasn't, but hanging upside down for a long period can end you.
Bro was probably the main provider for his family. He died due to his own mistakes. Now his family is trying to find a way to come up on some money from his death it seems. crazy asf
This poor family is grieving and trying to make sense of what just happened during this public tragedy. Maybe offer some compassion as they come to grips with losing their father. Their world has changed.
@@Tipperary757 compassion??? Bruh the family is "seeking answers" when there's clearly proof of this man cutting the tree incorrectly and that's how he got himself killed. Like I said seems like they are using his death as a way to get a bag real quick. 🤷🏾
Man made a fatal mistake. Though he was doing all he could to support his family, he risked his life and that risk ended him. I still feel bad for his family. Contractors should offer insurance and proper equipment for them to do the job correctly and safety. Instead its all about cutting corners and being cheap. You shouldn't mess around with dangerous jobs. Some people need money bad and will take chances to earn it. It's all very sad.
I've been doing trees almost as long on 54 years old. Started when I was twe all in the industry. Know the inherent dangers of it. And if we do not take the proper and necessary precautions, things like this happen and I get it because I'm like that. I've been doing it a long time too. Sometimes you try to take a shortcut. Sometimes try to do a little differently. I feel deeply for this family. Sorry for your loss
Self accountability. I am done with others being blamed and financially attacked for the actions and choices of others. If you don't know why your insurance premiums are sky high, it's situations like this.
Exactly. Then when you say something like this people get butt hurt bc it's true. Same with any ins. Why's my car ins so high? Well....uninsured drivers. I don't get how dumb people are.
HE MADE THAT DECISION TO WORK FOR THEM. AND TO BE HONEST, THE FACT THAT HE HAD SO MUCH EXPERIENCE, IS PROBABLY WHAT GOT HIM KILLED. HE WAS COMPLACENT WITH CUTTING CORNERS AND FELT CONFIDENT IN DOING THAT. HE PROBABLY DID IT IN THE PAST AND IT CUT THE TIME IN HALF TO TRIM THE TREE. BUT THIS DAY, IT CAUGHT UP TO HIM. BUT TO SIT HERE AND SAY IT MAKES NO SENSE BECAUSE HE HAD YEARS OF EXPERIENCE OR TRYING TO PUT THE BLAME ON SOMEONE ELSE MAKES NO SENSE TO ME. MOST OF THESE ACCIDENTS HAPPEN TO PEOPLE WITH TON OF EXPERIENCE BECAUSE THEY GET COMPLACENT AND TRY TO CUT CORNERS TO GET THE JOB DONE FASTER THAN THE NEXT PERSON, COMPANY, ETC.
This has all the hall marks of not only the contractor but the climber as well . At 55 years old he should have been on the ground supervising . Not climbing . The media is now trying like the daughter as an accident ,not really more like they knew there was a screw up of accountability
This made me very sad. This randomly popped up on my algorithm the other day, and I saw the raw footage. Saw him, and felt awful for his family. Working hard to provide, set a decent example for his children, didn’t know he was a grandfather too. I’m so sorry for your loss, truly. 🙏🏽🇦🇺🌹
Regulations? This man was 55 years old. He’d been doing it for decades. He knew what he was doing and getting into. Most likely the company he worked for that isn’t registered was also Hispanic.
RIP ... The 'contractor' seems to be in the wind. It sounds like from what the daughter said, the contractor wasn't licensed or insured, but apparently he was the low bidder. That homeowner is going to find out what a bad idea hiring this victim's boss was.
Yes, seems as if the family knew the contractor was unlicensed and uninsured (probably cash under the table for him and the dead guy too) but were fine with it- but they were fine with it, until now.
Just trying to make a living ... it sounds like he was relying on his abilities and experience to outweigh the shortcomings of his (non-existent) safety equipment. Homeowners: is the cheapest bid worth the money? Employers: can you pay for a person's life, if you can't pay for the right equipment? Workers: alone, you are never as good as you think you are. Also, gravity is not your friend! Regulators: find a way to help businesses be safer, please! Stop legislating businesses into the shadow economy.
I think that’s an exaggeration. Also, even if that were so, it would still be reasonable to hold employers accountable for employee safety. They aren’t saying they want charges on the employer even if he was proven to have been negligent. When you pay someone to do something, you take a measure of responsibility for the work they do and their safety while doing it. You are just as responsible for that employee working as the employee is.
I remember seeing my grandpa cutting dry dead leafs off his own palm tree in the back yard. He was old and somehow able to do that work. God blessed the family loss. 🥀
It doesn’t matter how experienced this man was; unfortunately it ended in his death. Anything can happen to any of us. My condolences to the family and loved ones.
I saw a news report on another local tv station and they interviewed Jonathan Drucker (PIO for Kern County FD) and he said the guy did have on professional gear such as special climbing shoes and a safety harness.
Don't know what videos you all were watching, but every video I watched of the recovery showed he was wearing boots with climbing spurs and his saw was attached to him by a rope.
There is something extraordinarily REPULSIVE about using the tragic loss of life as your opportunity for a cash grab. May his soul rest, I would be turning over in my grave.
As a General Contractor, I’d like you to know we employ 14 Mexicans. And I’m on of them too. We’re taking over ur America friend. We’re pulling the permits, scheduling the inspections and paying a hell of a lot more payroll taxes than you my “American” friend.
Dang, that was one tall ass tree. Who the heck ever took that job then passed it on to dead guy is a POS. He knew it was dangerous. Too dangerous for anyone experienced or not. Too tall with too much weight.
The family is looking to make some money off this accident. He knew what he was doing. When he climbed up in that tree. It is very unfortunate he died but mistakes of his own.
Yea and apparently he said he had a lot of experience. They don't need answers, they need $. People get so offended when u say this kinda thing. It's ridiculous
It was literally His Choice and His fault knowing it was dangerous. Blaming it on regulations is crazy. Are they trying to sue or get money from someone or the government?
4 DECADES of experience with palm trees and he didn't even know how to properly and safely cut them??? 🤦🤯 And he didn't even know to wear a helmet going up on trees?!?!
They are not going to hear from that man who the dad was working for. This was a terrible accident on his part. He had been climbing trees since he was little, he should have known better. Sorry the family is grieving.
You are protecting yourself as a homeowner by making sure you dont hire unlicensed contractors. Doesnt matter what for. Usually its not to deal with someone dying while working on your property but to protect you from being taken or having your property damaged. If the homeowner knowingly hired this crew unlicensed to save a few bucks then they may be able to be sued. Legal minds would need to weigh in on this one. BEyond my sad little paygrade unfortunately....lol
Poor guy sounds like he may have been suffocated under those heavy Palms, I just thought the most dangerous thing that could happen would be they fall out the tree 🌴. Condolences to his family 🙏🏾
The answer, unfortunately, is that this man had no idea that you're supposed to trim palm trees from the top down, not from under. This is horrifying and absolutely heartbreaking!! No one deserves a death like this!!!
I know this family is hurt but he clearly knew he was working for an unregistered contractor. Now the family wants to get $$ when the worker wasn’t properly trained. SMH.
I had my palm tree groomed twice a year. If you own them you have a responsibility to keep the dead fronds and fruit spears trimmed off. Those things are dangerous and can cause great harm to people and property on the ground. It is irresponsible to not have them trimmed at least annually!
Alot of errors done all and culminated in a death. It’s cool if he climbed trees since a kid, but there are differences with recreational monkey’ing around and a Skilled, Qualified Climber. Awareness to safety regulations??? There are tons of regulations in place, from O.S.H.A to ISA, ANSI Standards, in fact there are SPECIAL standards for maintenance of Palms, all this in English and Spanish. Homeowners PLEASE Hire licensed qualified professionals, in this case Arborists certified by the ISA, ‘International Society of Arboriculture’. This is not a stab at ‘Chuck in a truck’ trying to make a living, this is about setting parameters and putting safety in the first place when it comes to who is performing the job. RIP to the Climber, Im sure if he had a Decent human being with a conscience for a Boss, he would still be with his family. Im sure the scumbag boss never cared for safety, nor continued education for his workers.
A very unfortunate accident. I am not sure why they are going for a change of some kind of regulations though. It sounds like he knew his job and unfortunately, this happened. And Now, working for an Unlicensed contractor is On your Dad, and Hiring an unlicensed contractor for probably a cheaper price is on the Home owner. This is Not a common occurrence, hence, the industry must already have some good or decent regulations and procedures on how to get it done. RIP sir. Your Family Loved You.
When I was in the tree service I watch a professional do that and it would take him about almost an hour to get to the top of the Palms crown . but he brought it down in 25mins. my deepest condolences go out to the family.
In all reality this man was the contractor. He made the decision to do what people in the field know is deadly work. Sorry for your loss but im not paying for someones foolishness
If you have four decades or 40 years of experience with palms are cutting trees and he would have known better that a bucket or a lifter is what's needed to trim those type of palms. Being cheap on yourself or trying to make money for someone who doesn't want to pay is a big lesson as well. Don't go cheap on yourself while risking your life
Before watching the video, I will give them answers. He is illegal and was working cheap, without the right equipment, and died. Just a guess, but I’ll bet I’m right.
in other words theyre thinking about suing the company he worked for for failing to train him do they even have a case yeah actually they might but um I DUNNO what OSHA has to say about tree trimming and training responsibilities
There are regulations and he knew them if he trimmed for 40 years and he knew the way he was trimming the palm from the bottom is dangerous and shouldn't be done. Very tragic but very preventable. Hope his family finds peace.
There are regulations with contractors but a lot don’t force their workers to follow because the workers don’t seem to think the rules are important. I’ve argued with employees about safety concerns but they don’t care.
No palm tree in my yard. What is the use of a 80 feet pole in your backyard with some green on top. Rediculous no use tree form without giving any shadow
Thats the problem of working without all the safety for a job like this. But also homeowners shouldn't let people work without insurance in a dangerous job like this.
I work for an arborist. Our guys are professionally trained and certified . All trees should be trimmed according to their species. Palms are always tricky, but the number one rule is that they are never cut them from the bottom. Prayers for the family at this sad time.
What answers? An unfortunate accident due to human error.
they're looking for someone to sue.
Looking for some free money.
Where my money at!
Pretty harsh comments. There probably should be standards both for the contractor (owner of the company) and even the homeowner making sure the tree is cared for consistently, not letting the palm tree prongs pile up like that. My condolences to the family.
@@goldbeanie9638 That's literally a tree trimmers job.
No judgement. A father and grandfather is now gone.. no matter what happened. Grief will have many stages to deal with. And anger and wanting answers is a stage. May you find peace as you go through life and try to remember the good times and block out all the ignorant un- compassionate heartless comments… TH-cam is very toxic..
During my training in Australia, I learned that when a harness is improperly strapped around the groin area, it can impede blood flow, leading to potential circulatory issues. In such cases, there is a window of only fifteen to twenty minutes before the situation becomes critical, meaning Dead weight around the harness, no support
That’s what I suspect people don’t realise it’s a thing he should have had a buddy on the ground looking out for him.
Those palm fronds can weigh a 100 pounds. He cut from the bottom when palm trees should be cut from the top. He asphyxiated from the weight.
Careless reckless or over confident never ever cut palm fronds from below! I unfortunately live at a property with 6 huge palm trees and had to cut them myself with help of my contractor uncle! you have to be extremely careful each fronds can weight over 100lbs!
There is no way that each palm frond weighs 100lb. thats ridiculous
@@Rolly_951Look it up! It's like having a car roll onto you-people suffocate under that pressure in minutes!!
Wow that's insane
@Rolly_951 try it yourself and then tell us.
He's right if he had the experience they say he knew the situation before going up it that macho bs that gets people killed rip to the man@@LAURA093058
Arborist did the unsafe route to trim the palm tree.
He needed to shoot a line to the top of the palm tree.
Then secure a line and use a harness, trim from the top thus making it safe.
Sorry for the families loss.
I highly doubt he was an arborist
We have our palms trimmed every year and never let them get out of hand - minimizes the danger to the trimmers and us.
You mean a Tree Trimmer not Arborist but I understand what you're saying
Good point! Or he could have used a spider lift. But they can get expensive.
A 'big shot' slingshot attaches to a pole-saw pole and can shoot a line up over 50 feet!
There's no reason any arborist should be cutting frond clumps underneath.
Unfortunately, a family member commented last week that his uncle always drank alcohol on the job🤷♀️. I’m not sure that comment will help his law suit.
Regardless, that’s a human/ father that just lost his life.
If he was impaired and made bad decisions, its on him! @@FamilyMeza-mk9ri
I walked into a little local market. A "tree company" employee was in there on his lunch break buying cold beer. They towed a big grinder on the back of their truck. I took down all the info, and used it.
@@MikeyB9282 , it's sad how drunks think everybody drinks the way they do.
@@pattilemonhouse7911 The wonders of alcohol.
He worked for an UNREGISTERED BUSINESS. HE KNEW IT WAS UNREGISTERED. He made the decision to work for a contractor that allowed HIM to do things the way HE wanted to do them and sadly it got him killed. Now the family wants to SUE the HOMEOWNER and the BUSINESS. Greedy.
This comment sucks
@@Dfranco1722 sorry if your feewings are hurt
Typical Salvadorians
@@ango7506 You obviously know nothing about Salvadorans.
@@Dfranco1722 Wtf you mean? He died doing the wrong thing and has nothing to do with his nationality….
Well watching the rescue live and wondering what might have gone wrong, i found a video on YT by the California Dept of Public Health - "Preventing Palm Tree Trimmer Fatalities" (4/21/14). It highlights how dangerous palm tree trimming is and features a family of a tree trimmer that lost a loved one. RIP Mr. Leiva and condolences to his family 🙏
Their looking for somebody to pay. IT'S AN ACCIDENT. He should have had life insurance.
In the state law if the home owner hires a non licensed contractor the home owner is liable for the safety of the workers and can be sued
Who cares man. If you are not going to help mind your own
there is some liability for the property owner or who ever enabled the accident to take place. If you hire some fool and send him up your tree to do your bidding YOU are responsible under the law for their safety , all this assumes ofc that this guy was a independent unlicensed under the table laborer which is the norm in these cases.
Prayers for his family and friends . This is heartbreaking.
The daughter trying to blame the contractor. Everybody always looks for a payday after their relative does something dumb.
She made that up...he was the contractor. They are looking for the GoFundMe $
The man was working and working hard to support his family. In this case a gfm I wish them well.
@@serif392 Your comment is accurate. But now the family wants FINANCIAL GAIN. They see $$$$.
They can’t sue the property owner because there was no negligence on their end
@@MrJohnnybe123 maybe.The family will likely sue the homeowner for hiring a licensed tree trimmer company. And she will win if her father was an employee. That's why you should only hire licensed and bonded companies.There is a HUGE risk to the homeowner.
Anyone trimming trees for decades knows not to cut mexican fan palm fronds from underneath. The dangers of this method are well documented. Fan palm fronds should only be trimmed from above as they at times free fall in a clump.
Hiring the lowest bidder can become very costly. They have no liability insurance to cover damage to the property and no workman's comp to cover their workers' injuries, then if something bad happens, it may fall on the homeowner, who actually accepted the lowest bid. Hopefully, there was a contract with specifics.
And he applied for this job not getting real check probably cash. he knew this
@@quantumquestions5849 and taxpayers should have to pay for cheap labor. Cheap is never really cheap in the long run.
Bro did you see the trailer? There was no contract or specs
I guarantee you that woman has already called an attorney because you hear what she said. Home owners should hire a contractor obviously not their father. This is why I cut all my palm trees down they are not even native to most of the US. I'm in AZ million of them here this happens all the time. They provide little shade and require high risk maintenance. I hired a licensed tree contractor cut down 21 palm trees in my yard when I bought my house.
So, this man worked for a fellow that was NOT licensed. The dead guy knew it. The dead guy’s family knew it. And NOW he dead guy’s is denouncing the dead guy’s employer for not having a license!
I’ll bet that the dead guy and his employer worked for cash under the table and avoided paying any income tax- which the dead guy;s family would have known.
But, now it is not the dead guy’s fault he is dead, it is someone else’s fault!
Yeah it's totally the worker's fault and not the guy literally breaking the law, that makes total sense if you're from cloud cuckoo land I guess. Let me guess, small business owner? 😂
bingo.
@@PunishedFelix if you choose to work for an unlicensed company then that's on you. Period.
Well the dead guys family is the ones on here blaming the company owner and it's probably bc yes their dad worked for cash and yes they knew it and knew along with that ment no workman's comp and no accident insurance. So now they don't get paid, so now it's a problem that their dad was working for tax-free cash. So now it's a problem, but it was a risk they took to work for cash. My cousin used to be a tree climber, and a lot of the tree companies he worked for were cash paying companies. But they were easier to get on with and more of them than legit companies. What happened here was a on the job accident, and it's a known hazard in trimming them. He knew the risk he took the risk and the risk caught him. Don't blame the company now that the risk bit them. The only thing that would have changed with the company being legit would be the families' payout. He would have still made the same mistake that killed himself.
@@PunishedFelix I did NOT say it was “totally the worker’s fault.”
However, the dead guy is equally to blame.
The family said he worked for this guy for a long time- do you honestly thing the dead guy didn’t know the situation????
Furthermore, they were both breaking the law, not just the business owner.
They were skirting, well, out and out breaking, the law- both of them!
He was either not properly instructed on cutting palm fronds, or the deceased ignored or forgot instruction. There's really no other reason for him to be cutting the fronds while under them. Proving that the deceased wasnt properly instructed is going to be very difficult.
They said he had been climbing for 40 years...I'm sure he knew
I am so sorry this tree trimmer lost his life but nobody’s to blame but himself. He put himself in that dangerous situation. He should’ve known better than to trim that palm tree from the bottom.
Why do people always blame everyone but the person doing the work? I work as a pipe welder and sometimes I have to make welds on live natural gas lines or up to 300 feet above ground level and it is up to me to inspect my safety equipment and make sure I am safe. If something isn’t up to standards I have it replaced before I put my butt on the line no amount of money can make me ignore safety if my employer doesn’t like it I can grab my stuff and leave and call osha so someone else doesn’t have to do it under dangerous conditions
If he got knocked out and he was hanging in his harness, the harness cut off his marjor arteries in his legs and the blood can’t return flow to he heart. You have about 5 minutes to get out of the harness. They now have drop down leg straps. But they won’t work if he can’t get them released. Prayer for the family ❤🙏 and his loved ones
BS!!! No different than having a tourniquet on each leg. You may lose your legs but not your life. This man wasn't, but hanging upside down for a long period can end you.
9 kids and they need a go fund me?
Bro was probably the main provider for his family. He died due to his own mistakes. Now his family is trying to find a way to come up on some money from his death it seems. crazy asf
This poor family is grieving and trying to make sense of what just happened during this public tragedy. Maybe offer some compassion as they come to grips with losing their father. Their world has changed.
@@Tipperary757 compassion??? Bruh the family is "seeking answers" when there's clearly proof of this man cutting the tree incorrectly and that's how he got himself killed. Like I said seems like they are using his death as a way to get a bag real quick. 🤷🏾
Man made a fatal mistake. Though he was doing all he could to support his family, he risked his life and that risk ended him. I still feel bad for his family. Contractors should offer insurance and proper equipment for them to do the job correctly and safety. Instead its all about cutting corners and being cheap. You shouldn't mess around with dangerous jobs. Some people need money bad and will take chances to earn it. It's all very sad.
@@1pepper67 I agree with everything you said 100%
I've been doing trees almost as long on 54 years old. Started when I was twe all in the industry. Know the inherent dangers of it. And if we do not take the proper and necessary precautions, things like this happen and I get it because I'm like that. I've been doing it a long time too. Sometimes you try to take a shortcut. Sometimes try to do a little differently. I feel deeply for this family. Sorry for your loss
Self accountability. I am done with others being blamed and financially attacked for the actions and choices of others. If you don't know why your insurance premiums are sky high, it's situations like this.
Exactly. Then when you say something like this people get butt hurt bc it's true. Same with any ins. Why's my car ins so high? Well....uninsured drivers. I don't get how dumb people are.
HE MADE THAT DECISION TO WORK FOR THEM. AND TO BE HONEST, THE FACT THAT HE HAD SO MUCH EXPERIENCE, IS PROBABLY WHAT GOT HIM KILLED. HE WAS COMPLACENT WITH CUTTING CORNERS AND FELT CONFIDENT IN DOING THAT. HE PROBABLY DID IT IN THE PAST AND IT CUT THE TIME IN HALF TO TRIM THE TREE. BUT THIS DAY, IT CAUGHT UP TO HIM. BUT TO SIT HERE AND SAY IT MAKES NO SENSE BECAUSE HE HAD YEARS OF EXPERIENCE OR TRYING TO PUT THE BLAME ON SOMEONE ELSE MAKES NO SENSE TO ME. MOST OF THESE ACCIDENTS HAPPEN TO PEOPLE WITH TON OF EXPERIENCE BECAUSE THEY GET COMPLACENT AND TRY TO CUT CORNERS TO GET THE JOB DONE FASTER THAN THE NEXT PERSON, COMPANY, ETC.
This has all the hall marks of not only the contractor but the climber as well . At 55 years old he should have been on the ground supervising . Not climbing . The media is now trying like the daughter as an accident ,not really more like they knew there was a screw up of accountability
I used to do this work in my younger years. 55 to old for that gig. 100% on point.
This made me very sad. This randomly popped up on my algorithm the other day, and I saw the raw footage. Saw him, and felt awful for his family. Working hard to provide, set a decent example for his children, didn’t know he was a grandfather too. I’m so sorry for your loss, truly. 🙏🏽🇦🇺🌹
There is regulations and rules already in place regarding this.
Regulations? This man was 55 years old. He’d been doing it for decades. He knew what he was doing and getting into. Most likely the company he worked for that isn’t registered was also Hispanic.
Regulations won’t fix this. It’s up to people to use common sense.
RIP ... The 'contractor' seems to be in the wind. It sounds like from what the daughter said, the contractor wasn't licensed or insured, but apparently he was the low bidder. That homeowner is going to find out what a bad idea hiring this victim's boss was.
Yes, seems as if the family knew the contractor was unlicensed and uninsured (probably cash under the table for him and the dead guy too) but were fine with it- but they were fine with it, until now.
he wasn’t a legit contractor he was a con
Poor guy RIP To him 🙏🏻
Just trying to make a living ... it sounds like he was relying on his abilities and experience to outweigh the shortcomings of his (non-existent) safety equipment. Homeowners: is the cheapest bid worth the money?
Employers: can you pay for a person's life, if you can't pay for the right equipment?
Workers: alone, you are never as good as you think you are. Also, gravity is not your friend!
Regulators: find a way to help businesses be safer, please! Stop legislating businesses into the shadow economy.
Awesome awesome comment!!!
Regulation didn't cause this "shadow economy". Illegal workers did.
What answers everyone goes to work everyday risking their life…stop blaming others
you can't get a big pay off if you don't blame others.
I think that’s an exaggeration. Also, even if that were so, it would still be reasonable to hold employers accountable for employee safety. They aren’t saying they want charges on the employer even if he was proven to have been negligent.
When you pay someone to do something, you take a measure of responsibility for the work they do and their safety while doing it. You are just as responsible for that employee working as the employee is.
Its his own fault. Plain and simple, he didnt know what he was doing.
I remember seeing my grandpa cutting dry dead leafs off his own palm tree in the back yard. He was old and somehow able to do that work.
God blessed the family loss. 🥀
May he rest in peace .
It doesn’t matter how experienced this man was; unfortunately it ended in his death. Anything can happen to any of us. My condolences to the family and loved ones.
He had sneakers on when he went on the tree no helmet and a chain to hold his chainsaw he didn’t have the proper equipment
Same thing I saw , doesn’t seem like a person with experience tbh
I saw a news report on another local tv station and they interviewed Jonathan Drucker (PIO for Kern County FD) and he said the guy did have on professional gear such as special climbing shoes and a safety harness.
Don't know what videos you all were watching, but every video I watched of the recovery showed he was wearing boots with climbing spurs and his saw was attached to him by a rope.
@@hotenloslentes4342there's migrants out here in Cali that go decades working unsafe like that.
And they’ll call gringos weak for being safe lmao
There is something extraordinarily REPULSIVE about using the tragic loss of life as your opportunity for a cash grab. May his soul rest, I would be turning over in my grave.
Was he here legally? Was the co. licensed and insured? As an American, i cant even build a shed without applications, fees, inspections and permits.
As a General Contractor, I’d like you to know we employ 14 Mexicans. And I’m on of them too. We’re taking over ur America friend. We’re pulling the permits, scheduling the inspections and paying a hell of a lot more payroll taxes than you my “American” friend.
You feel me!!!! 🙄😑😒 Bruh
You know he wasn’t ………..
Dang, that was one tall ass tree. Who the heck ever took that job then passed it on to dead guy is a POS. He knew it was dangerous. Too dangerous for anyone experienced or not. Too tall with too much weight.
My deepest sympathies to this family!! I pray the Lord rest his soul and comfort all his loved ones! RIP🙏🙏🙏
The family is looking to make some money off this accident. He knew what he was doing. When he climbed up in that tree. It is very unfortunate he died but mistakes of his own.
Yea and apparently he said he had a lot of experience. They don't need answers, they need $. People get so offended when u say this kinda thing. It's ridiculous
WTF… you people act like someone put a gun to the guys head and forced him up the tree…..
Yea AND he said he had oodles of experience. Sounds to me like the fam just wants to blame someone and capitalize off it.
This seems like a two person job at least
He had a spotter, thats who called 911 when they couldnt get a response from him, they think he had a medical episode while up there.
It was literally His Choice and His fault knowing it was dangerous. Blaming it on regulations is crazy. Are they trying to sue or get money from someone or the government?
4 DECADES of experience with palm trees and he didn't even know how to properly and safely cut them??? 🤦🤯 And he didn't even know to wear a helmet going up on trees?!?!
@@mikej6544 Those types of commenters know everything !
Even still he might have been folded in half, suffocating or died instantly... bummer..
@@konaken1035 there is a video of his body being taken down it basically looks untouched just limp
@@trovman999🎯
Great point
I didn't realize palm trees were deadly until this event
I dont understand how it killed him bc there is not a hole lot weight on palm trees
@@JacobMusgrove-y2xit looks like that particular type has a strong, heavy looking skirt, one on top of the other, that have big heavy leaves?
This man's loss is proof that we need regulations to protect tree trimmers, absolutely!
Every time there is an accident, everyone comes from out of the woodwork to get rich, and most likely he wasnt legal.
True, and judging from most of the comments, people get butt hurt if you say something like that
Familes don't complain about working illegally till something happens!!!😮😧😕
There’s risks sorry for your loss but even with proper crane the crane can fail unfortunately it was his time may he Rrst in Peace
They are not going to hear from that man who the dad was working for. This was a terrible accident on his part. He had been climbing trees since he was little, he should have known better. Sorry the family is grieving.
Soooo sorry for your loss...May he Rest in peace...
Im so very sorry for your loss.Please keep all the beautiful memories of your father alive❤
No amount of experience will excuse Mother Nature’s reaction if you don’t respect how nature reacts in the first place.
You are protecting yourself as a homeowner by making sure you dont hire unlicensed contractors. Doesnt matter what for. Usually its not to deal with someone dying while working on your property but to protect you from being taken or having your property damaged. If the homeowner knowingly hired this crew unlicensed to save a few bucks then they may be able to be sued. Legal minds would need to weigh in on this one. BEyond my sad little paygrade unfortunately....lol
Reporter is an obvious DEI hire
Don’t work jobs for cash because there’s no workers comp especially dangerous jobs, it’s not worth the risk
Damn bruh a palm tree killing you is wild. RIP homie
What answers are they seeking? Doing a dangerous job & died evidently making a bad decision!
They don't call trees "widow makers" for nothing. If someone learns for this mans misfortune it wasn't a total loss. R.I.P.
The title really implies this was a setup by possibly the palm trees 🌴 Makes it sound like there’s some foul play going on.
The palm tree said it's sorry ☹
Wow. Not registered!!!
God bless you Leyva Family.
Poor guy sounds like he may have been suffocated under those heavy Palms, I just thought the most dangerous thing that could happen would be they fall out the tree 🌴. Condolences to his family 🙏🏾
Yup same here never in my life would I have imagined this could happen . And no wonder those heavy leafs are used on hut roofs 🛖
People always have to blame someone or sue someone when their family member dies out of projection and anger thinking it will make them feel better
CA is the most dangerous state for laborers. My stepfather died after falling off the roof of a CA slumlord.
Did they force him onto the roof at gunpoint?
@@moquilla1 I see you've never understood economics
@@ajp3056 Is that a yes or a no?
@@ajp3056 Huh?
@@rayb.6537 of course. Yet CA is the 3rd deadliest US State for laborers. Just check the stats
The answer, unfortunately, is that this man had no idea that you're supposed to trim palm trees from the top down, not from under. This is horrifying and absolutely heartbreaking!! No one deserves a death like this!!!
This happens way too often , may the family have the strength. Rip bro .
Not sure why he was cutting from beneath - our trimmers start at the top and work their way down and around.
So sorry for his family.
The answer is, at 55 you are too old for this job
I know this family is hurt but he clearly knew he was working for an unregistered contractor. Now the family wants to get $$ when the worker wasn’t properly trained. SMH.
I had my palm tree groomed twice a year. If you own them you have a responsibility to keep the dead fronds and fruit spears trimmed off. Those things are dangerous and can cause great harm to people and property on the ground. It is irresponsible to not have them trimmed at least annually!
I watched it live, it was very sad. Hopefully, they can find the reason for what happened.
Alot of errors done all and culminated in a death. It’s cool if he climbed trees since a kid, but there are differences with recreational monkey’ing around and a Skilled, Qualified Climber. Awareness to safety regulations??? There are tons of regulations in place, from O.S.H.A to ISA, ANSI Standards, in fact there are SPECIAL standards for maintenance of Palms, all this in English and Spanish. Homeowners PLEASE Hire licensed qualified professionals, in this case Arborists certified by the ISA, ‘International Society of Arboriculture’. This is not a stab at ‘Chuck in a truck’ trying to make a living, this is about setting parameters and putting safety in the first place when it comes to who is performing the job. RIP to the Climber, Im sure if he had a Decent human being with a conscience for a Boss, he would still be with his family. Im sure the scumbag boss never cared for safety, nor continued education for his workers.
Man that sucks. Condolences to the family and friends.
Terribly sad to lose a family member to an accident, an accident while working. RIP! ❤
HE DID NOT KNOW WHAT HE WAS DOING HE WAS CARELESS
A very unfortunate accident. I am not sure why they are going for a change of some kind of regulations though. It sounds like he knew his job and unfortunately, this happened. And Now, working for an Unlicensed contractor is On your Dad, and Hiring an unlicensed contractor for probably a cheaper price is on the Home owner. This is Not a common occurrence, hence, the industry must already have some good or decent regulations and procedures on how to get it done. RIP sir. Your Family Loved You.
What is she talking about ? More regulations?
God bless this family ❤
Reading the comments you immediately notice the average age of YT users can have... A jellyfish has a bigger brain than yours.
When I was in the tree service I watch a professional do that and it would take him about almost an hour to get to the top of the Palms crown . but he brought it down in 25mins. my deepest condolences go out to the family.
In all reality this man was the contractor. He made the decision to do what people in the field know is deadly work. Sorry for your loss but im not paying for someones foolishness
What answers? He made a fatal mistake, end of story. I smell an attempt to sue the city or state.
This actually hurts. Rip to that man and prayers to the family
May peace be with him as he makes his journey back home to his final resting place. Love and blessings to his family. ❤
If you have four decades or 40 years of experience with palms are cutting trees and he would have known better that a bucket or a lifter is what's needed to trim those type of palms. Being cheap on yourself or trying to make money for someone who doesn't want to pay is a big lesson as well. Don't go cheap on yourself while risking your life
Answers? This is a dangerous job. Life ins would have helped. Sad, but true
This is not a unique accident! It has happened frequently.
Before watching the video, I will give them answers. He is illegal and was working cheap, without the right equipment, and died. Just a guess, but I’ll bet I’m right.
in other words theyre thinking about suing the company he worked for for failing to train him do they even have a case yeah actually they might but um I DUNNO what OSHA has to say about tree trimming and training responsibilities
Governor Newsom now has new rule that every palm tree will post a sign, "Do not cut from the bottom", in Spanish.
There are regulations and he knew them if he trimmed for 40 years and he knew the way he was trimming the palm from the bottom is dangerous and shouldn't be done. Very tragic but very preventable. Hope his family finds peace.
There are regulations with contractors but a lot don’t force their workers to follow because the workers don’t seem to think the rules are important. I’ve argued with employees about safety concerns but they don’t care.
No palm tree in my yard. What is the use of a 80 feet pole in your backyard with some green on top. Rediculous no use tree form without giving any shadow
Prayers and condolences to the family and friends of the deceased. 🙏🙏🙏
Rest in power, breaks my heart god bless his family, from one tree climber’s daughter to another 🙏🏽💕💕💕💕💯
Thats the problem of working without all the safety for a job like this. But also homeowners shouldn't let people work without insurance in a dangerous job like this.
I’m a 32 year old arborist. I have life insurance. Others should do the same. RIP