Bino I was one of those many, whom did NOT know or were properly trained on palms . I have trimmed many ( thousands ) BUT in the early years. you gave a great explanation of starting from the bottom, then having the whole pile of dead frowns, fall right on top of me ! I was lucky . here to share I constantly try to inform palm trimmers please start on the top .. . we can not help those who will not learn a safer way. too many tree workers, I've meet. always say. I know what im doing ! I can only share if they want to listen. ya do not need to be certified .. JUST educated on proper technique of what ever tree one is working .. thanks as always for great information Joe
Thanks for Sharing Joe, Yes when I was younger the only way to trim palm was from the bottom up. I always hated when there were lots of dead fronds. Take care!
I saw this video ..was terrible. Poor guy.i couldn't see a climb line..he was pinned ..not familiar with palm trees .but they should make a lift designed for palms only
I'd say don't wait for decades before starting this job. I have seen this kind of work here in KSA where I live, and let's not discuss the safety standards here. Dudes have to climb the palms using a kind of big belt, no safety measures at all. But they groom the trees every few years, more often in places where people walk, so they never have to cut through that kind of thick, heavy frown. Just a few individual leaves each time, that they can guide with one hand while hacking it off with the other.
In the Midwest, I'll never experience a palm. I do encounter climbers who have worked in the Florida area and these videos prompt some great discussion. If one conversation someday saves a life, I'm happy to share this message. .
I grew up in Florida. If a boss told me to spike a palm that hasn't been completely unwrapped I am walking off the job. Only an idiot does something like that. I knew this at 12 years old, climbing trees to hunt deer and hogs.
lets be real guy. the kind of Rhodes scholars that cut palm trees for a living don't want follow regulations, that's their problem. this isn't some mystical hidden knowledge. people are just dumb and lazy, and they like being dumb and lazy. it's natural selection.
40' ladder truck here... done many...electric with batteries have been a nice change. Many customers really don't care...& Most All have never walked a mile in a cutters shoes. Bee's aren't happy to "Bee" dislocated. Customers always say it's been done "ABOUT" a year ago...NOT
One additional thing trimmg from below also, you never know what might be learking under the dead palm, as example snakes. Thanks for bringing awareness Bino !!
Hi Martin, It is always heart breaking when you hear one of our fellow Arborists or Tree Workers looses their while trimming a palm trees. Thank you very much for sharing! Take care!
Thank you for sharing this. It’s obvious that you care and don’t want to see more people hurt. I have no experience with palms but have trimmed and processed many other types of “typical” trees. I’ll probably never encounter having to work with palms, but if I do now I’ll at least have enough knowledge to first consult an experienced palm worker.
THANK YOU, Bino. Your vids are so helpful + educational. Will definitely be sharing this. I've seen News stories about the palm tree deaths--a terrible & haunting accident that must devastate loved ones. I hope they never see the cruelty in Comments mocking their loss. Am not a tree trimmer, but often involved in work at properties + with contractors, vendors, workers. Recommend your vids for the pragmatic How To. Over years, huge changes of long-time residents getting displaced, replaced with, eh, those not familiar w/local flora, fauna; fires, floods, snow pack, etc. AND not familiar w functional Tasks. Fly-by-night hire 'day laborers' for so many dangerous jobs. So sick of greed. Hope you're doing okay. This is a hard video subject and your care for the people involved is evident. I'll pass your wisdom along.
WOW, I never even heard of something like this. No palm trees in Western NC. Good to know. I watched a bunch of videos on it now and holy wow who knew? Thank you Bino and I hope you are staying strong and winning your battle!
Even thinking that the Federal/State government has the ability to make dangerous work "safer" with a pen and paper is flat-out disillusionment. This line of thinking is precisely how we have a bloated, ineffective form of government.
This is why rich people want more undocumented workers like the ones I worked alongside for several years when I was a tree trimmer. One day on a particularly dangerous job, the boss gave us a lecture. It wasn't for those of us who had experience, it was mainly for the new guys. He talked about how much work we had ahead of us that day and how dangerous it would be, but that we also needed to hurry. Then he reminded us what would happen if we got hurt. Quote: "If you get hurt, I will drive you to the emergency room and dump you at the entrance, and I don't know you and you don't know me. You got that - sumbitches?" Then he also mumbled the same thing in Tex-Mex. We were all desperate to feed our families and didn't have a lot of options - so we accepted the rules. And although some of us were citizens, if we wanted that job, we had to accept the same rules that the undocs and convicts had to go by, or we wouldn't have a job to feed our families with.
I would have never expected that there is a collar of fronds weighing hundreds of pounds that may slide down and kill anyone cutting them from below. It is very counterintuitive. Thanks for your video.
Thank you for this information, I don't cut palms of that type but I do help my aunt cut her palm fronds from time to time. I would have never guessed that could happen while trimming a tree.
Safety culture between small outfits and multi-national industries is night-and-day. Big companies will spread the lessons learned to everyone else, while small companies tend to hope their number doesn’t come up.
Wow we have a yard full of big palm trees I had no idea about this. I did tree work for a year 40 years ago but was in a bucket truck clearing power lines. Great info, thanks.
@@BinoH More often than not, the right way might even be cheaper than the cheap way, because it saves so much trouble. Just think about the costs for injuries or rescue missions that might occur. It is like a guy that saves the money for safety goggles and goes blind because of it.
In Florida, you need 4 hours of training to become a Class B Tree Trimmer. After eighteen months you can get a Class A License after you complete the ISA course and get certified as an arborist. Entry level arborists make as little as $12/hour in Florida. $24 is "pretty good" pay for an experienced worker. Palm trees aren't found on poor people's estates. Blame the wealthy people who want pretty looking trees around their beach homes. Start to show some appreciation for the guy who risks his life to make your cocktail party look nice.
Palm trees (ESPECIALLY Washingtonians) are EVERYWHERE in Florida (across every $1100 mo rental 1,000 sq ft home to $20m mansion on the beaches) has Absolutely ZERO to do with "wealth & Exclusivity". Pretty thoughtless remark in all seriousness. (What about competency /knowledge & skill set???) Smh... 🤷🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️
Living in New England, I will never climb or trim a palm tree. But I still enjoy a Bino H vid every now & then ❤ Chula Vista was my home for one year. I miss the location.
@BinoH Tree work is a thinking man's work. I ❤ your channel and the way you present your topics. My interests are quite varied. The list is so long I wouldn't expect anyone to read it. Consequently, the number of channels I have subbed to is huge, and I come & go all the time. You've shared your knowledge on many important knots. I know a few real good, and a lot not so good, but stick to the ones I've learned to stay safe. Your vid on making a lanyard gave me the ability to do my first spike climb. (That was a couple of years ago when I was still in my 60's!). Later, I bought a steel core flipline, but I trust my homemade equipment because I know it well. I aways take my time & double check that 'biners are locked, attachment points are solid, and the chain is not in the wrong place. Thank you very much Mr H for the wonderful videos you make, and the community you've created 🎄
Well, I don't know about that Mr. New Englander. Due to climate change, scientists have determined that southern Connecticut and Rhode Island might have palm trees growing there sometime around 2040. 🤣
@@drivingphoenix3019 cool, I ❤ coconuts! I've seen palm trees on the south coast of England. Mother Earth will be just fine after all the humans are gone 💡
30 plus years with one of the best danger tree men in the business, really glad to be in the PNW and never had to work with palms . Used both srt ,drt, and mainly old school careful . Most of our work was tight,or tighter quarters .
My colleague's daughter died on a hammock reading a book between two palms when one collapsed on her because it was rotten. He watched this horror unfold and could do nothing because the weight was beyond what even a super human could move. Respect these trees.
@@floridacoder It's very sad but it can happen so easily. In Boy Scouts they taught us to look for "widowmaker" trees like this. Rotten roots, broken top, hanging branches, lightning damage, insect infestations, high wind events, etc.
Why is the first thing people ALWAYS want to do is to pass more regulations and laws?! We are already burdened by WAAAAY too many laws! How about we just train people? If trained people want to ignore their training then so be it. If a homeowner wants to trim their own tree wrong and endanger themselves the so be it. We can't legislate intelligence.
So Police can evict folks out of Palms that have no business being in them. If your trained, regulations would not bother you because you know your safe, insured and licensed.
Are you suggesting that there be a regulation that tree service folks be trained to some standard? To answer your actual comment, without the regulations tree service companies have no reason to provide the proper equipment to workers to do the job safely and there is no way for the employees to push back that it isn't safe.
I guess I'm still confused or not clear on what exactly causes the death...is the trimmer getting impaled? Is there a loss of breathable air? Crushed? I really have a hard time conceptualizing what's happening
Yeah it would. These guys are getting killed because they are completely unqualified to do the job. If they have to get trained to get a required license to work, they will know better.
I hired a young man to trim the fronds at my house in the mid 90's. The tree was approximately 80-90' tall and the fronds were only along the top 20-25' or so. He climbed/trimmed from the bottom up. He was a nice neighbor in the industry and I would give him sidework. This is terrifying that he could've died while working for me. I had zero clue this was even a possibility.
We personally used palm trees to make sure we have the best trimmers if not the palm tree would do its job, we make sure to hired then as independent contractors to avoid any liability
@0:26, It was on the NEWS, on THE channel? Fire rescue were 'trying to rescue him'. He wasn't killed by contacting live wires or because of a fall . The palm tree simply consumed him. Apparently, the tree was didn't want a haircut.
Thanks for bringing attention to this, i was just telling my wife about how i never knew palm trees had skirts that could slip/fall down. Im from bakersfield so thats how i heard. Hopefully people think of how theyre dangerous instead of thinking of Cali when they look at them
If a person takes on a job while not having the knowledge nessasarry to do that job safely, it's on him. Learn your craft and do it safely. In today's world, safely information is at your fingertips through a cell phone. If you don't have a cell phone, information is available at the country's library free of charge. People have been dropped all manner of trees on them selves for thousands of years. Regulations won't chang that . People will continue to take on jobs that they are not prepared to do safely regardless of regulations . Bottom line, your personal safety is your responsibility! The younger you realize this, the better . Yes, I have prune palm trees. I'm retired and 75 years old now, so I must have done it correctly.
I've trimmed probably 100 Washingtonias. Nasty, dangerous trees. Always a mess and full of animals. I've run into beehives, rats, crows, bats and a huge Barn Owl. Always spiked and used a old Buck-strap and luckily never had an issue. The first person I heard about dying in a palm was a guy in Orange County, CA who was trapped for hours. This was back sometime in the 90's.
I am a tree and wood guy and have been forever. I live in the north east where we have no palms. I actually never considered palm trees as real trees. It was hard to even visualize how someone could get caught or killed by a palm. Interesting information on trimming palms. I probably could have been one of the uninformed people caught in the tree.
I remember seeing this topic being discussed in your previous video and maybe on other channels as well, I heard a suggestion of using drones to carry a throw line up over the tree and then using the SRS system to climb up it. We don't have palms up here in Canada, seems like quite the tricky tree.
In the UK we do not have many palm trees but we do have health and safety regulations. More importantly there is a rule “duty of care to oneself and others.” If cutting palm trees has an inherent safety issue, then ignoring this issue is in breach of any health and safety report.
Good info. We were doing a roof watching tree trimming across the street the were about 50-60ft up in 2 boom lift trucks trimming palms. One guy disturbed a large bees nest and they messed him up. Guy was screaming with What looked like a swarm of bees attacking him as he was trying to lower the boom truck we thought he was going to jump out of the bucket. Ambulance showed up about 20 minutes later along with paramedics, they took him away he Musta got stung a lot next day the tree trimmers are back with Bee suits To finish up that one tree the swarm of bees was still there
I am in the coachella valley. It is the wild west out here. I insist the tree guys that cut my trees use a bucket truck. most of mine are 50 feet high. my neighborhood there are several trees that are 150 to maybe 200 feet tall. a guy gaffs all the way up. I watch every year. Amazing.
The Democrat standard was set yesterday when Hunter was pardoned after Joe said he would never do that and he respects the justice system, you guys are all hypocritical wankers
The best way to avoid these accidents is that try to remove the dead palm leaves as soon as possible so that they don't accumulate and it will be easier for DIY removal. A long bamboo pole with a branch saw at the end will easily do the job. If you let it accumulate for years then the safe way is from the top and it will be too costly because you have to rent a crane.
Unbelievable this continues, Shame on those employing these brave souls. i watched and share your original video. I was shocked at the danger. Please share and educate. Safety is only an issue when tragedy strikes. Let's Go America, this is too easy to fix.
I had no idea anyone would go inside that mess of Washingtonia leaves. The last time I trimmed one I used a pole saw and a snorkel lift. The native cabbage palms don't have thorns and never have a shaggy coat of dead leaves.
ITS NOT WORTH THE MONEY! Theres a bunch of overpaid women sitting in an AC'd office on a plush chair while you risk injury and face the elements. For what, a low wage? We ALL Need to stop working for awhile and let these businesses crumble. Sometimes you need to tear something down to rebuild it my friends.
dude, very well done, are those washingtonia robustas? Near Palm springs I'm guessing? I grew up in Honolulu and the palms growing in front of Waikiki hotels are incredibly susceptible to cigarette butt inflammation👀 and are tolerant of flames, wonder if these robustas could handle a flame treatment if managed? that's got to be a full day's work for just 1 tree plus removal and that spiny vicious awful stems to be surrounded by without Kevlar has got to suck royally and you've got the heat smoke and dust, probably rats snakes and spiders too. You didn't mention in the video how many folks die this way. 30 years ago a neighbor had a tree company out for bids and the supervisor had two hooks instead of hands, much respect
Thank you. Yes robusta's and Filibusta's are the one that are a bit more prominent. The accident was in Bakersfield also we filmed Los Angels county. Yes the Washingtonia's if they are burned they can survive but definitely not a good thing to do. Yes cleaning these palms full of dead fronds is heck of a lot of work. I did a search and here is the clip. The Los Angeles County Fire Department responds to at least six deadly palm tree incidents each year. In California, 68 tree trimmers died on the job between 2011 and 2021. Thanks for watching!
There have been at least 2 palm tree deaths here in the San Joaquin Valley that made the local news; I’m sure there were more we didn’t hear of, since we do have thousands of palm trees here. 😢💔
I’m from Florida where we have dozens of species of palm trees, I can’t understand why people would plant such an ugly and dangerous tree that requires such hazardous maintenance
ugh i had a patient last month who fell more than 50 feet and broke both feet. ankles, lower legs, femurs, and pelvis + ribs, back and clavicle. i still cant believe he survived. probably will walk again but wow. dude was on drugs doing that job. i dont even know.
I have an idea to avoid loss of life when trimming plam trees. You see here in the north east we use helicopters with sawblades to clear powerlines along the mountains ranges. if one were to use a helicopter and to attach the top of the palm tree to a rope to a helicopter when cutting the palm tree the palm tree can be easily lifted and disposed of in a different area. yes this would be expensive but the loss of life is priceless.
Just thought I'd add that palm fronds are razor sharp, especially the old dead ones. I usually pick up the dead ones from our yard to put in our green bin. They will cut you! Heavy duty gloves are a must.
Yeah I actually live in Bakersfield California and I remember when the local news shows a man that was trapped on a Palm 🌴 tree don't know if he survived but it looks scary
I've seen some short form videos of guys way up on the tree and between the tree and their own & equipment weight the tree is bent over. Then they cut off a mass of the tree and the tree snaps back and sways and that karoom back and forth like a carnival ride. It's amazing they're not thrown or that the tree doesn't snap off. Of course, they probably do in some cases. Tragic that folks are just trying to make a living and either being forced into or blunder into situations they don't know will kill them.
This is why rich people need more undocumented workers like the ones I worked alongside for several years when I was a tree trimmer. One day on a particularly dangerous job, the boss gave us a lecture. It wasn't for those of us who had experience, it was mainly for the new guys. He talked about how much work we had ahead of us that day and how dangerous it would be, but that we also needed to hurry. Then he reminded us what would happen if we got hurt. Quote: "If you get hurt, I will drive you to the emergency room and dump you at the entrance, and I don't know you and you don't know me. You got that - sumbitches?" We were all desperate to feed our families and didn't have a lot of options - so we accepted the rules. And although some of us were citizens, if we wanted that job, we had to accept the same rules that the undocs and convicts had to go by, or we wouldn't have a job to feed our families with.
Bino I was one of those many, whom did NOT know or were properly trained on palms . I have trimmed many ( thousands ) BUT in the early years. you gave a great explanation of starting from the bottom, then having the whole pile of dead frowns, fall right on top of me ! I was lucky . here to share I constantly try to inform palm trimmers please start on the top .. . we can not help those who will not learn a safer way. too many tree workers, I've meet. always say. I know what im doing ! I can only share if they want to listen. ya do not need to be certified .. JUST educated on proper technique of what ever tree one is working ..
thanks as always for great information
Joe
Thanks for Sharing Joe, Yes when I was younger the only way to trim palm was from the bottom up. I always hated when there were lots of dead fronds. Take care!
I saw this video ..was terrible. Poor guy.i couldn't see a climb line..he was pinned ..not familiar with palm trees .but they should make a lift designed for palms only
@@BinoH Oh - so my guy did it wrong (removed the whole tree - but did it bottom up) vid at Yhx0Z8d_RVM
@@Sethhaun78 they have lifts, but when you work for some shade tree jack leg heavy equipment is out of the question. 😂
I'd say don't wait for decades before starting this job. I have seen this kind of work here in KSA where I live, and let's not discuss the safety standards here. Dudes have to climb the palms using a kind of big belt, no safety measures at all. But they groom the trees every few years, more often in places where people walk, so they never have to cut through that kind of thick, heavy frown. Just a few individual leaves each time, that they can guide with one hand while hacking it off with the other.
I have the highest regard for the pros who do this work. Thank you for this information.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts!
Glad to see you posting. Tragic about the palm tree deaths.
Thank you!
In the Midwest, I'll never experience a palm. I do encounter climbers who have worked in the Florida area and these videos prompt some great discussion. If one conversation someday saves a life, I'm happy to share this message. .
Thank you for sharing!
We have a car dealership that has them planted along their long driveway, has heat run for the roots. It's in western Washington, crazy
I grew up in Florida. If a boss told me to spike a palm that hasn't been completely unwrapped I am walking off the job. Only an idiot does something like that.
I knew this at 12 years old, climbing trees to hunt deer and hogs.
Glad to see you uploading, learned about palm fronds killings arborist in utilities line clearance class.
Thank you for watching!
You are saving lives with this video. Thank you sir. Merry Christmas and God bless.
Thank you! Merry Christmas to you too!
lets be real guy. the kind of Rhodes scholars that cut palm trees for a living don't want follow regulations, that's their problem. this isn't some mystical hidden knowledge. people are just dumb and lazy, and they like being dumb and lazy. it's natural selection.
Boosting for the algorithm 🙌 Love your work, keep it up! 🌻🐝
Thank you!
Thought you might cut back on videos so I’m glad to see you pushing through. Palms! Ugh. Hate em
Yes, we recorded this prior to my surgery. Thank you!
@ hang in there bud. Father in law went through the same procedure. He is doing well.
@@arboristBlairGlenn Thanks Blair that is very good to hear.
If you hate palms youll love the coconut rhinoceros beetle
@@meegssan5716what the f
Sadly there are people who buy a chainsaw and think they are arborists.
Very true!
Get a chainsaw, and you're a logger.
Get a ladder to use your chainsaw on, and you're an arborist.
So true... Everyone who has ever sawed a shrub off in their flowerbed has always told me how they used to be a timber cutter. I've heard it 30 years.
Everyone that can read a tape is a carpenter
If it's on your property and your tree who cares.
40' ladder truck here... done many...electric with batteries have been a nice change. Many customers really don't care...& Most All have never walked a mile in a cutters shoes. Bee's aren't happy to "Bee" dislocated. Customers always say it's been done "ABOUT" a year ago...NOT
Thanks for sharing your experience.
Enjoyed the video. Excellent subject material. Thanks for posting, Bino.
My pleasure!
The palm trees really appreciate you helping them and to prevent more palm tree deaths.
One additional thing trimmg from below also, you never know what might be learking under the dead palm, as example snakes. Thanks for bringing awareness Bino !!
You're right, in some places snakes are a very real concern!
It's a matter not of regulations, but of training and equipment. "Best practices" so to speek.
True. Spreading the word.
Thanks Bino. Sad to still see Palm tree deaths still occurring after all these years of training
You're welcome, Take care!
Obvious not enough training? Attention, why are palm trees different than all others? Never really knew this but yes, it makes sense.
That’s a tragedy my dude.
Thanks for sharing. Your knowledge is greatly appreciated.
Thank you!
Hi Bino, thanks for uploading this video, there are still a lot of people that needs to know how to approach to palms.
Hi Martin, It is always heart breaking when you hear one of our fellow Arborists or Tree Workers looses their while trimming a palm trees. Thank you very much for sharing! Take care!
As a person who does not do this for a living,I had no ideal palm trees were this dangerous. Thank you for the information.
You're welcome!
Thank you for sharing this. It’s obvious that you care and don’t want to see more people hurt. I have no experience with palms but have trimmed and processed many other types of “typical” trees. I’ll probably never encounter having to work with palms, but if I do now I’ll at least have enough knowledge to first consult an experienced palm worker.
That’s a great attitude to have! Thanks for sharing.
THANK YOU, Bino. Your vids are so helpful + educational. Will definitely be sharing this. I've seen News stories about the palm tree deaths--a terrible & haunting accident that must devastate loved ones. I hope they never see the cruelty in Comments mocking their loss. Am not a tree trimmer, but often involved in work at properties + with contractors, vendors, workers. Recommend your vids for the pragmatic How To. Over years, huge changes of long-time residents getting displaced, replaced with, eh, those not familiar w/local flora, fauna; fires, floods, snow pack, etc. AND not familiar w functional Tasks. Fly-by-night hire 'day laborers' for so many dangerous jobs. So sick of greed. Hope you're doing okay. This is a hard video subject and your care for the people involved is evident. I'll pass your wisdom along.
Thank you for your kind words and support. I appreciate you taking the time to share your thoughts. Take care!
WOW, I never even heard of something like this. No palm trees in Western NC. Good to know. I watched a bunch of videos on it now and holy wow who knew?
Thank you Bino and I hope you are staying strong and winning your battle!
Thank you for sharing!
Even thinking that the Federal/State government has the ability to make dangerous work "safer" with a pen and paper is flat-out disillusionment. This line of thinking is precisely how we have a bloated, ineffective form of government.
Thanks Bino, it's great to see you ❤
Thank you!
This is why rich people want more undocumented workers like the ones I worked alongside for several years when I was a tree trimmer. One day on a particularly dangerous job, the boss gave us a lecture. It wasn't for those of us who had experience, it was mainly for the new guys. He talked about how much work we had ahead of us that day and how dangerous it would be, but that we also needed to hurry. Then he reminded us what would happen if we got hurt. Quote: "If you get hurt, I will drive you to the emergency room and dump you at the entrance, and I don't know you and you don't know me. You got that - sumbitches?" Then he also mumbled the same thing in Tex-Mex.
We were all desperate to feed our families and didn't have a lot of options - so we accepted the rules. And although some of us were citizens, if we wanted that job, we had to accept the same rules that the undocs and convicts had to go by, or we wouldn't have a job to feed our families with.
Sounds like a bad situation and it's crummy that there are people who run business that way. Thanks for sharing!
I always wondered how that could happen, thanks for clarifying it.
That's why unions are needed.
@danielebrparish4271 They're great until such problems are solved. Then they have nothing much to do but they keep going until they kill the company.
Don’t break the law
I would have never expected that there is a collar of fronds weighing hundreds of pounds that may slide down and kill anyone cutting them from below. It is very counterintuitive. Thanks for your video.
It’s not something people think about, but it’s a very real danger.
Thank you for this information, I don't cut palms of that type but I do help my aunt cut her palm fronds from time to time. I would have never guessed that could happen while trimming a tree.
You're welcome, hopefully it helps you and your aunt stay safe!
Safety culture between small outfits and multi-national industries is night-and-day. Big companies will spread the lessons learned to everyone else, while small companies tend to hope their number doesn’t come up.
Thanks for sharing!
Great briefing! Always wondered 🤔
Thank you 🎉
My pleasure!
I didn't know palm trees were like that. Or that they had prickers on them. I'd hate to grab a handful of that!
Thanks for watching!
Wow we have a yard full of big palm trees I had no idea about this. I did tree work for a year 40 years ago but was in a bucket truck clearing power lines.
Great info, thanks.
@@devlin0208 You're welcome!
Looking good man. Lots of love from subs❤️💪
Thanks! I appreciate the support.
Washington Tony Palms are by far the worst
There is always the choice to do it the right way or the cheap way.
It's away best to do it the right way!
@@BinoH More often than not, the right way might even be cheaper than the cheap way, because it saves so much trouble. Just think about the costs for injuries or rescue missions that might occur. It is like a guy that saves the money for safety goggles and goes blind because of it.
In Florida, you need 4 hours of training to become a Class B Tree Trimmer. After eighteen months you can get a Class A License after you complete the ISA course and get certified as an arborist.
Entry level arborists make as little as $12/hour in Florida. $24 is "pretty good" pay for an experienced worker.
Palm trees aren't found on poor people's estates. Blame the wealthy people who want pretty looking trees around their beach homes. Start to show some appreciation for the guy who risks his life to make your cocktail party look nice.
Is the Class B and A through the state? Thanks for sharing!
Palm trees (ESPECIALLY Washingtonians) are EVERYWHERE in Florida (across every $1100 mo rental 1,000 sq ft home to $20m mansion on the beaches) has Absolutely ZERO to do with "wealth & Exclusivity".
Pretty thoughtless remark in all seriousness. (What about competency /knowledge & skill set???) Smh... 🤷🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️
@@6bt_str86 I agree. First house I bought was a little shot-gun house (750 sq. feet) and it had a palm tree. They're everywhere.
You must not live in Florida. Nearly every house in South Florida has palm trees. I have five that I trim myself.
@@Norm100fulwould you say the mansions have larger palms that require crews? I dont remember seeing very large palms at most properties in Florida.
Thanks for the explanation.
You're welcome!
Thanks for bringing this to our attention! I had no idea
Happy to help!
Living in New England, I will never climb or trim a palm tree. But I still enjoy a Bino H vid every now & then ❤
Chula Vista was my home for one year. I miss the location.
Thanks for your comment and I understand what you're saying. Take care!
@BinoH Tree work is a thinking man's work. I ❤ your channel and the way you present your topics.
My interests are quite varied. The list is so long I wouldn't expect anyone to read it. Consequently, the number of channels I have subbed to is huge, and I come & go all the time.
You've shared your knowledge on many important knots. I know a few real good, and a lot not so good, but stick to the ones I've learned to stay safe.
Your vid on making a lanyard gave me the ability to do my first spike climb. (That was a couple of years ago when I was still in my 60's!).
Later, I bought a steel core flipline, but I trust my homemade equipment because I know it well. I aways take my time & double check that 'biners are locked, attachment points are solid, and the chain is not in the wrong place.
Thank you very much Mr H for the wonderful videos you make, and the community you've created 🎄
@@savage22bolt32 This is good to hear. Take care!
Well, I don't know about that Mr. New Englander. Due to climate change, scientists have determined that southern Connecticut and Rhode Island might have palm trees growing there sometime around 2040. 🤣
@@drivingphoenix3019 cool, I ❤ coconuts!
I've seen palm trees on the south coast of England.
Mother Earth will be just fine after all the humans are gone 💡
Thank for this very informative video on palm tree 🌴 trimming ! 👍🏻
Glad it was helpful!
@Yes, Sir !
There was a man here in las vegas that somebow got stuck inside a palm tree that he was trimming and suffocated. So tragic.
Thanks for sharing!
Thanks for the additional info on these unique palms.
You're welcome!
Thanks for life saving information 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
You're welcome! Glad it was helpful!
30 plus years with one of the best danger tree men in the business, really glad to be in the PNW and never had to work with palms . Used both srt ,drt, and mainly old school careful . Most of our work was tight,or tighter quarters .
Thanks for sharing!
Thank you for sharing this video ..on how to cut palm trees..
It will save lives..
You're welcome, hope it helps!
I had no idea thanks for the info!! They dont grow where I'm at but I will pass this on to my tree guys !!
Glad to help
Great video. We have a lot of paims in Florida. You are looking good,Bing. Take care.
Thank you, take care!
My colleague's daughter died on a hammock reading a book between two palms when one collapsed on her because it was rotten. He watched this horror unfold and could do nothing because the weight was beyond what even a super human could move.
Respect these trees.
Sorry to hear that. Take care!
@BinoH not a dry eye at that funeral. Worst case scenario is losing a child.
@@floridacoder It's very sad but it can happen so easily. In Boy Scouts they taught us to look for "widowmaker" trees like this. Rotten roots, broken top, hanging branches, lightning damage, insect infestations, high wind events, etc.
Thanks for letting us know about this. I never knew.
Any time!
The palm tree is so useful too it provides so much shade, nuts, and wood.
Why is the first thing people ALWAYS want to do is to pass more regulations and laws?! We are already burdened by WAAAAY too many laws! How about we just train people? If trained people want to ignore their training then so be it. If a homeowner wants to trim their own tree wrong and endanger themselves the so be it. We can't legislate intelligence.
So Police can evict folks out of Palms that have no business being in them.
If your trained, regulations would not bother you because you know your safe, insured and licensed.
Are you suggesting that there be a regulation that tree service folks be trained to some standard?
To answer your actual comment, without the regulations tree service companies have no reason to provide the proper equipment to workers to do the job safely and there is no way for the employees to push back that it isn't safe.
@@CynyrIf you watch the video, there are already rules and regulations in place.
@@wayneessar7489
You’re²
@Cynyr Why do you lie like that?
Employees always have a way to push back.
Have you never cussed your boss out and left?
I guess I'm still confused or not clear on what exactly causes the death...is the trimmer getting impaled? Is there a loss of breathable air? Crushed? I really have a hard time conceptualizing what's happening
The weight of the dead fronds slide down the trunk and the weight causes the it.
Excellent explanation
Thank you for educating us
Glad it was helpful!
Regulations will not stop tree trimmers from making stupid mistakes while doing their work.
Yeah it would. These guys are getting killed because they are completely unqualified to do the job. If they have to get trained to get a required license to work, they will know better.
I hired a young man to trim the fronds at my house in the mid 90's. The tree was approximately 80-90' tall and the fronds were only along the top 20-25' or so. He climbed/trimmed from the bottom up. He was a nice neighbor in the industry and I would give him sidework. This is terrifying that he could've died while working for me. I had zero clue this was even a possibility.
Thanks for sharing!
We personally used palm trees to make sure we have the best trimmers if not the palm tree would do its job, we make sure to hired then as independent contractors to avoid any liability
@0:26, It was on the NEWS, on THE channel? Fire rescue were 'trying to rescue him'. He wasn't killed by contacting live wires or because of a fall . The palm tree simply consumed him. Apparently, the tree was didn't want a haircut.
Thanks for bringing attention to this, i was just telling my wife about how i never knew palm trees had skirts that could slip/fall down. Im from bakersfield so thats how i heard. Hopefully people think of how theyre dangerous instead of thinking of Cali when they look at them
Thanks for sharing!
If a person takes on a job while not having the knowledge nessasarry to do that job safely, it's on him. Learn your craft and do it safely. In today's world, safely information is at your fingertips through a cell phone. If you don't have a cell phone, information is available at the country's library free of charge. People have been dropped all manner of trees on them selves for thousands of years. Regulations won't chang that . People will continue to take on jobs that they are not prepared to do safely regardless of regulations . Bottom line, your personal safety is your responsibility! The younger you realize this, the better . Yes, I have prune palm trees. I'm retired and 75 years old now, so I must have done it correctly.
Thanks for sharing your experience!
Great guidelines, man! Thanks!
Glad it was helpful!
This was very informative.
Thank you!
My sons father passed away just like this over 20 years ago... rest in peace Poli, still loved and missed all these years later... 💔
Sorry to hear that, Take care!
@@BinoH thank you
Here in the Northeast, we have successfully reduced palm tree trimming deaths to near zero.
I've trimmed probably 100 Washingtonias. Nasty, dangerous trees. Always a mess and full of animals. I've run into beehives, rats, crows, bats and a huge Barn Owl. Always spiked and used a old Buck-strap and luckily never had an issue. The first person I heard about dying in a palm was a guy in Orange County, CA who was trapped for hours. This was back sometime in the 90's.
Thanks for sharing!
I am a tree and wood guy and have been forever. I live in the north east where we have no palms. I actually never considered palm trees as real trees. It was hard to even visualize how someone could get caught or killed by a palm. Interesting information on trimming palms. I probably could have been one of the uninformed people caught in the tree.
Yes true palms are not trees but usually referred to as trees because of there size. Thanks for sharing!
I remember seeing this topic being discussed in your previous video and maybe on other channels as well, I heard a suggestion of using drones to carry a throw line up over the tree and then using the SRS system to climb up it. We don't have palms up here in Canada, seems like quite the tricky tree.
Yes they are especially when they have lots of dead fronds on them. Take care!
This is important information that should not be overlooked if you’re intending to work on palm trees. I had zero knowledge of this hazard until now.
Thanks for sharing!
In the UK we do not have many palm trees but we do have health and safety regulations. More importantly there is a rule “duty of care to oneself and others.” If cutting palm trees has an inherent safety issue, then ignoring this issue is in breach of any health and safety report.
Interesting, Thanks for sharing!
What a great video! 🙋
I'm glad you liked it!
I never regretted getting rid of my expensive-to-maintain palm trees.
Great video. 🙏
Thanks for the visit
Good info. We were doing a roof watching tree trimming across the street the were about 50-60ft up in 2 boom lift trucks trimming palms. One guy disturbed a large bees nest and they messed him up. Guy was screaming with What looked like a swarm of bees attacking him as he was trying to lower the boom truck we thought he was going to jump out of the bucket. Ambulance showed up about 20 minutes later along with paramedics, they took him away he Musta got stung a lot next day the tree trimmers are back with Bee suits To finish up that one tree the swarm of bees was still there
That must have been scary. Thanks for sharing!
I'm glad to know. Was thinking of planting a few.
Thanks
I don't get it! I don't even trim palms and I know to start from the top. This is absolutely shameful that men are still dying this way.
The victim was working for an unlicensed contractor. The poor guy was a 55 year old immigrant from El Salvador. He had nine children.
Not having a license don't mean shit that license isn't gonna do anything to save a life
Without knowing this.
I had no idea.
Yes it's a true.
Aware of a number of men killed in az doing this...thank you..your saving someone's life...!
Thank you!
I am in the coachella valley. It is the wild west out here. I insist the tree guys that cut my trees use a bucket truck. most of mine are 50 feet high. my neighborhood there are several trees that are 150 to maybe 200 feet tall. a guy gaffs all the way up. I watch every year. Amazing.
Thanks for sharing your experience!
We dont need regulations ... we need experience, knowledge, training and common sense
thanks
Dumb comment. I'm an aviation inspector. Regulations keep YOUR family alive. Get off that republican Kool aid man
@@TheJestersDoor ... I am NOT A republican!
The Democrat standard was set yesterday when Hunter was pardoned after Joe said he would never do that and he respects the justice system, you guys are all hypocritical wankers
And where do you think the regulations come from? From experience, knowledge, training and common sense! You dork.
The best way to avoid these accidents is that try to remove the dead palm leaves as soon as possible so that they don't accumulate and it will be easier for DIY removal. A long bamboo pole with a branch saw at the end will easily do the job. If you let it accumulate for years then the safe way is from the top and it will be too costly because you have to rent a crane.
Thanks for sharing!
So in nature does that dead material ever just burn off in brush fires, and if so does the tree die?
It's possible for them to burn but not too likely in the city.
Good work. I don’t run a saw anymore, but I wouldn’t even try this work. Crazy dangerous.
Thanks for sharing!
Dangerous type of tree, for sure. thank you Bino!
You're welcome!
Unbelievable this continues, Shame on those employing these brave souls. i watched and share your original video. I was shocked at the danger. Please share and educate. Safety is only an issue when tragedy strikes. Let's Go America, this is too easy to fix.
It's so true!
I had no idea anyone would go inside that mess of Washingtonia leaves. The last time I trimmed one I used a pole saw and a snorkel lift. The native cabbage palms don't have thorns and never have a shaggy coat of dead leaves.
Thanks for sharing!
I live in SW Florida. Leave the trees alone, let them grow and shed naturally. 🌴🌴🌴👀👍🏻
Thank you sir!
You are welcome!
How about using a high bucket ?
That is a great way to trim them. If you have one or if it can reach.
ITS NOT WORTH THE MONEY!
Theres a bunch of overpaid women sitting in an AC'd office on a plush chair while you risk injury and face the elements. For what, a low wage? We ALL Need to stop working for awhile and let these businesses crumble. Sometimes you need to tear something down to rebuild it my friends.
dude, very well done, are those washingtonia robustas? Near Palm springs I'm guessing? I grew up in Honolulu and the palms growing in front of Waikiki hotels are incredibly susceptible to cigarette butt inflammation👀 and are tolerant of flames, wonder if these robustas could handle a flame treatment if managed?
that's got to be a full day's work for just 1 tree plus removal and that spiny vicious awful stems to be surrounded by without Kevlar has got to suck royally and you've got the heat smoke and dust, probably rats snakes and spiders too.
You didn't mention in the video how many folks die this way.
30 years ago a neighbor had a tree company out for bids and the supervisor had two hooks instead of hands, much respect
Thank you. Yes robusta's and Filibusta's are the one that are a bit more prominent. The accident was in Bakersfield also we filmed Los Angels county. Yes the Washingtonia's if they are burned they can survive but definitely not a good thing to do. Yes cleaning these palms full of dead fronds is heck of a lot of work. I did a search and here is the clip.
The Los Angeles County Fire Department responds to at least six deadly palm tree incidents each year. In California, 68 tree trimmers died on the job between 2011 and 2021.
Thanks for watching!
How much does a palm tree grow every year? Can’t you just trim it from underneath if you do it annually?
There are so many different growth rates. Yes if you don't allow it to have a skirt it wouldn't be a problem.
Passing away = dying, kicking the bucket, falling off the perch, snuffing it, etc etc.
There have been at least 2 palm tree deaths here in the San Joaquin Valley that made the local news; I’m sure there were more we didn’t hear of, since we do have thousands of palm trees here. 😢💔
Thanks for sharing!
I’m from Florida where we have dozens of species of palm trees, I can’t understand why people would plant such an ugly and dangerous tree that requires such hazardous maintenance
ugh i had a patient last month who fell more than 50 feet and broke both feet. ankles, lower legs, femurs, and pelvis + ribs, back and clavicle. i still cant believe he survived. probably will walk again but wow. dude was on drugs doing that job. i dont even know.
Horrible accident but I'm glad he survived. Crazy that he was on drugs maybe if he wasn't he might not of had that accident. Thank you for sharing!
I have an idea to avoid loss of life when trimming plam trees. You see here in the north east we use helicopters with sawblades to clear powerlines along the mountains ranges. if one were to use a helicopter and to attach the top of the palm tree to a rope to a helicopter when cutting the palm tree the palm tree can be easily lifted and disposed of in a different area. yes this would be expensive but the loss of life is priceless.
It's not very practical and you're right very expensive. Take care!
Hey how do I do with my 40ft trees in the backyard? No nacel can drive there
hope everyone hears this
Me too.
Just thought I'd add that palm fronds are razor sharp, especially the old dead ones. I usually pick up the dead ones from our yard to put in our green bin. They will cut you! Heavy duty gloves are a must.
Thanks for sharing!
Yeah I actually live in Bakersfield California and I remember when the local news shows a man that was trapped on a Palm 🌴 tree don't know if he survived but it looks scary
Thanks for sharing!
I've seen some short form videos of guys way up on the tree and between the tree and their own & equipment weight the tree is bent over. Then they cut off a mass of the tree and the tree snaps back and sways and that karoom back and forth like a carnival ride. It's amazing they're not thrown or that the tree doesn't snap off. Of course, they probably do in some cases. Tragic that folks are just trying to make a living and either being forced into or blunder into situations they don't know will kill them.
Thanks for sharing!
This is why rich people need more undocumented workers like the ones I worked alongside for several years when I was a tree trimmer. One day on a particularly dangerous job, the boss gave us a lecture. It wasn't for those of us who had experience, it was mainly for the new guys. He talked about how much work we had ahead of us that day and how dangerous it would be, but that we also needed to hurry. Then he reminded us what would happen if we got hurt. Quote: "If you get hurt, I will drive you to the emergency room and dump you at the entrance, and I don't know you and you don't know me. You got that - sumbitches?"
We were all desperate to feed our families and didn't have a lot of options - so we accepted the rules. And although some of us were citizens, if we wanted that job, we had to accept the same rules that the undocs and convicts had to go by, or we wouldn't have a job to feed our families with.
We used to SRS system on palms and you could just move the fronds with your weight and feet , so easy !
I think the SRS system is a great option and when you trim palms with the loose frond you're right they come of easy. Thanks for sharing, Take care!
In Canada and gotta say glad we don't have them here . definitely a scary kind of tree
True!