The young man who was portrayed in this episode, Ronald Flowers, was actually sexually assaulted by Jeffrey. When Ron woke up in the hospital, he was beaten up with ligature marks on his neck, and he discovered blonde hair in his underwear, which Jeffrey had put back on him the wrong way. When the police went to his grandma's house, he used the same story he did with Konerak - that they were in a consensual sexual relationship and Ron had just too much to drink. Ron has talked about what happened in the Mind of a Monster documentary.
@@MissMusicForYou I don't know about dating, but he & Dahmer did know each other and hang out for at least a year if not more, according to the victim's friends, I believe. And one of the relatives did say Dahmer stopped by a few times as well.
@@MissMusicForYou right they made that shit up soo mfs could feel bad but truthfully it’s no different than any of the other victims n if u wanna feel “more sympathy” for anyone it should be the 14yo kids he killed
Well, I don’t think the argument is if he’s racist. He at least found black men attractive. I think he just knew where he could get away with certain things.
deffo! especially him using the 'gay' card so much. I know he was actually gay but he definitely used it to his advantage because he knew what the reaction from the cops would be. He knew it would make them uncomfortable and not care once they knew that. Passing off all the abuse as 'gay stuff' hopefully this comment makes sense idk how to word it and I don't want to sound insensitive.
Like he said, the apartment is what he could afford. The apartment is in a poor part of the city which means that it has higher crime rates and less police enforcement.
@@deadpoetstodd Dahmer definitely used the gay card to his advantage because this was like the height of the HIV pandemic and it wasn't understood as well compared to today. People literally thought you could catch the disease by interacting with gays. I think the show would have benefited more from the gay discrimination from the time instead of the systematic racism that they try in the show. It just doesn't work with the case study of Dahmer.
I honestly don’t think his family members knew anything. Being a young adult now, looking back it’s easy to live a double life and your family have zero idea what you’re doing when you leave the house, especially if you don’t talk to them as much. His family just assumed he was a “weird and awkward kid” so they didn’t bother him.
But, his family knew he wasn't "normal" from the love for dead animals to having a mannequin in his bed to exposing himself at the fair/carnival. They knew something wasn't right about him and didn't provide any help. They are just as much to blame
@@mr3thouzand i think his dad at least tried to help, he even sent that letter. Honestly, we never think our kids are capable of doing something like this, and I think it’s not right to put an equal responsibility to the father, he didn’t kill anyone, jeffrey said he was born this way, and mental health wasn’t take as seriously in the 80s than it is now, I would say the police have much more responsibility on this case because they had multiple chances to catch him, he was an adult when he did those things, the law should have been able to stop him
The worst thing about Dahmer was that his excuses stink worse than the dead bodies. That pork chop excuse is so bad. No one would believe that it would still stink of bad meat three days later.
@@whitneywilliams317 or at the very least fired without ever being reinstated like they were as well as loss there pensions and blacklisted from every PD in the country.
But at the same time they wouldnt think he was murdering people, i personally would probably just assume he lets meat go bad all the time and is embarrassed about it and so doesnt want to say or something
I was always aware of him, but I had no idea he was such a good actor until recently! Honestly I used to think he was mostly cast in things to be a pretty face, but I was so wrong. He deserves all the awards.
That court scene pissed me off. I can't believe after everything he has done already to get introuble with the police and they keep giving him a slap on the fucking wrist? I really want to believe this isn't real but it's was and it's absolutely horrific in every way. God this show is good but it's so hard for me to watch it.
That's one of the benefits of having white privilege I guess especially back in the day when causal racism and homophobia wasn't even something people tried to hide I was just out in the open.
Evan Peter's acting is so intense, man, I think he should at least get an Emmy nomination. His characters annoyed me often in AHS, 😂 so maybe I wasn't able to evaluate him well as an actor, but he plays this one really brilliantly!
I admit it, Evan Peters is so damn scary on this. The way he mimics his voice, mannerisms / body movements, everything !! idk how they have done all the research that good but all the actors who played their roles, their voice, body languages, the cops, oh damn it ! it's all the same irL people they were portraying especially the court scenes. I've seen the actual court / trial room videos, and they all have the accurate portrayal as the Netflix's tv series Monster Dahmer. I'm so convinced of how Evan Peters made us believed that he was Jeffy D, his voice, mannerisms / body movements , seeing the actual Jeffy D's interviews available on every apps was so unbelievably accurate as how Evan Peters does on-screen, so eerily accurate. Emmy's gotta be blind if he don't win that award. This series is so fascinating.
As someone who has 2 of the same diagnoses as him (Borderline Personality, and Antisocial Personality), I can totally see how things could escalate to this if left unchecked, not taking medication, and no regular therapy. One of the components of BPD is a fear of abandonment... Dahmer had fear of abandonment to the extreme.
He really was just left on his own for most of his life with his thoughts unchecked. Had he perhaps gone to therapy or seen a psychologist early in his life; have someone he can talk to about these "tendencies" or "feelings", he might've never gone down the path he did. He was just holding it all in his entire life and if you do that; either with stress, depression, etc, it can explode and make you spiral out of control. I agree with Dahmer (really don't like saying that) when he says that killers are born, HOWEVER, I do think that raising a kid badly or a kid having a shitty home life will aid in raising a serial killer. While bad parenting/home life isn't the root cause, it's definitely a catalyst. Unfortunately back then (and even still now), seeking mental help, especially as a man was put down and seen as being "gay" or "girly", etc; you'd always be told to "be a man" or "man up". It was the mentality of the times. It also didn't help that Dahmer was gay as well. Just another thing he couldn't really tell anyone about without having fear he would be ostracized further for that.
@@jjpark98 Yup plus we don't know how many people there are like me who could do something bad but managed to control themselves. So there is that bias in the data, we mostly only know the ones that ended being criminals.
I disagree I think taking meds from an early age is the CAUSE of people's heads not being screwed on straight also it was explained earlier in the show that he had some weird sexual behavior towards flesh and viscera dahmers problem as horrible as it was wasn't complicated and was heavily worsened from his terrible parents and living situation no professional was going to fix that
In the psych ward after the first night they left me alone to wander around. The first night a therapist sits down and lets me cry while rubbing my back til I fall asleep. Every week a stern in personal Psychiatrist asks me if I'm still in danger psychologically as if just wandering around the ward was supposed to be medicinal. They had 'group counseling' which is not individualized at all and did nothing to fix my mental illness. Three weeks later im discharged out into the terrifying world with no follow up or therapy. I don't mind submitting to the medical system if they actually heal but I felt warehoused and nothing more. So I'm not surprised Dahmer never got necessary care in custody 😞
This show deserves Emmy nominations for - Best Drama Series - Best Directing Drama Series Episode 7 - Best Writing Drama Series Episode 6 - Best Writing Drama Series Episode 7 - Best Actor Drama Series, Ewan Peters - Best Supporting Actress Drama Series, Niecy Nash - Best Supporting Actor Drama Series, Richard Jenkins
@@BRIDGECO1 he doesnt have to be meticulously planned in order to still use that racism to his advantage. Just continue to be privileged, and continue to take victims without that same privilege. Be surrounded by witnesses who wont be given the same benefit of the doubt that he is. Whether he realized what he was doing or not, he still found himself in the perfect spot to get away with monstrosities and stayed there until the very end.
@@BRIDGECO1 He lived in a black neighborhood, so logically most of his victims happened to be black; but a racist killer would target one race specifically while Dahmer had African American victims, Latino, Native, 3 of them were actually white. He was all over the place with nationality... he simply killed those he found attractive.
oh Tony.. Oh my god, that one just hit me too too much. The click Tony has with his friends, kiki-ing together in sign-language made me soooooooooo happy that was so beautiful to see and seeing Tony shine.. But yeah, at the end..it made me literally so so sad and angry
Because when black and brown people went missing, there wasn't news coverage, there wasn't strong investigations, and nobody really cared until it came out that they had been murdered by a white man... some of them had been missing for 10 years, but it just wasnt given police attention or taken seriously because of the racism in the law enforcement surrounding Jeff's crimes
@@concretelove But a couple of his victims including his first one Steven Hicks were white? The 2 main cops in the series seemed racist but aside from them, The department and courts were all around incompetent. I mean how’s the 911 operator and every single cop just gonna ignore numerous complaints about death screams coming from a sex offenders apartment that also just happens to always smell like decaying corpse for over a year. The levels of incompetency that law enforcement displayed are beyond my comprehension, And the fact one of them got promoted to Captain after is just astounding. 🤮 So I’d agree that those 2 cops were racist but they also didn’t care about the white people he killed, It’s like they were just so stupid and lazy they didn’t wanna do their jobs regardless. That’s how it seemed to me anyway.
There’s definitely racism and homophobia on the part of law enforcement throughout this series but I’m still not sure if Jeff himself was a racist or discriminated against people by race or skin color etc. his victims really only had one thing in common and that was all were males. He targeted a wide range of males in various age groups and races. As for living in that area of Milwaukee I believe it just happened to be what he could afford which was not much. And living in that area is likely what contributed to most of his victims being black gay men because that was the predominant population among the clubs he would visit where he’d find victims
Both can be true. He may not have been targeting men of color because he wanted to harm them for racial reasons, but it was still absolutely common knowledge at the time that black communities got less effective policing. Even if that awareness was subconscious, he still used their race (and his own) to his advantage
oh no ur wrong. When he killed the people in his grandmothers house, he realized that no one came looking for them. He didn’t see them on the news or anything. He KNEW THAT. So of course what isn’t broke don’t change. He kept going after those specific people (race). He also gotten away with SO much shit because of cops so obviously he knew he could keep getting away with shit. He knew his white privilege and he knew that the cops were not gonna go looking for missing people of color.
I subscribed to you guys, you are so humble and so fun to watch! This series traumatized me for good, because it is a real thing that happened in real life.. rip to all of the victims and may god bless their families
Not that it matters in the grand scheme of the way things played out but I think I heard they only had him in prison for 10 months and the family of konorak (the 14 yr old he killed after he got out) wasn't even notified. Which they should of been because by that point he'd already sexually assaulted konorak's older brother who was the boy that got him in prison in the first place.
It was well sad, because Tony was a really nice man who actually cared about Jeff just to be murdered by him 😢 I clapped in the schene where dahmer got killed
What I’m looking forward to besides episode 6, is The Jeffery Dahmer Tapes documentary coming out on Netflix Oct 7th. It’ll be cool to watch that after remembering everything that happened in this dahmer series and being able to compare the two
I need people to understand racism is a big part in the story, Jeffery dahmer wasn’t racist, BUT he would use racism and homophobia to his advantage, Also he found black men attractive
Duck ling- you keep commenting this but its ENTIRELY different. How many prior episodes focused on the victims story? None. So how can it not be worse to see the kid from a child and see what he was going through to put him in Jeffs path. Big fucking difference, dumbass.
He may not have been racist himself, but he definitely used racism & homophobia to his advantage, which is worse imo. He knew law enforcement didn’t take minorities’ issues seriously & he recognized that homophobia scared cops away because of the stigma around homosexuality & the ignorance around the AIDS epidemic back then. The parents on the other hand, refused to take accountability of their actions/parenting. With the father brushing things off & ignoring obvious red flags, and the mother’s absence & mental health history.
the victims (father-son speech in the court scene) were Asians. So unfortunately, this channel doesnt give a fck about them. So they skipped the most important scene, sad tbh
The judge pissed me off, not only because of his leniency with Jeff, but how he treated Mr Sinthasomphone. The man spoke perfectly good English...but the judge's racist a** didn't wanna hear his English.
Man I have to say that Deaf person really hit, I don’t want to spoil it for you guys but it was really sad. I was watching it with my girl and she crying over here and I’m like shocked almost.
You're absolutely correct, this story *is* about racism and homophobia. It is without question that Dahmer would have been caught sooner if his victims had been white. If Dahmer himself had been black, he'd have been shot by the racist police. I'm really enjoying your reactions....well, as much as I can with a storyline like this. I feel and share your frustration.
i think the human mind is more complexe than just "he was crazy". It is "nature vs nurture", are serial killers born that way or do they become that way, or is it a bit of both, is there a way to heal killers mind so they dont feel the urge, the compulsion to kill, can they be fix ?
I have absolutely never felt legitimately this sick to my stomach watching a show/hearing a real story. Absolutely horrendous how this was just happening and he was basically just allowed to do it.
At least you're not traumatizing your cute dog anymore. Man, did he looked stressed out. I agree. This is way worse than any horror film. This is a reflection of the worst of humanity. It's a good thing the performances are so good and the production is such high quality because if it wasn't this would be unwatchable
Lol if you live in Milwaukee you know thats a horrible part of town only a few blocks from Marquette university. Has literally never been a good area. Still now heavy drug area
I think he was fully aware or he realizes he could get away with this if his victims were poor black and gay. Especially during that time period smh sad stuff. Smh
@@argeadworldwide true honestly I think he was just attracted to black or ethnic guys. It was another killer Samuel little who admitted he targeted black females bcuz nobody would give a damn about them. The same with the green river killer. He targeted sex workers
That shot of the bracelet on the severed arm. It's very brief and there's nothing like it in the rest of the series. Very unnerving. ALSO...that chocolate company, correctly identified BY NAME in the series, is still in business. Odd. There was a RUMOR that Wendy's contained worms and they almost went outta business. But Dahmer mixes the chocolate at a chocolatier where he ACTUALLY kept a severed head on premises, and nothin'.
'Dahmer wasn't racist' Body parts were found on his property that were painted white iirc. He definitely targeted black men for other reasons than fetishizing/ that was his type (if I'm not mistaken) I think the cop was actually on to something. Dahmer was a calculated guy
Trigger warning? So now I’m starting to think about that fact we only get so many details from Dahmer. The portrayal always seems him being ignorant of the fact that the racism from cops and such let him get away with it for so long, so in my head he was always just “lucky” for where he ended up and everyone around him being racist… but now I’m thinking of it more how a lot of criminals do deny certain aspects of their crimes. Like when someone murders someone but they deny r*ping them because they see that as below them or worse than their other crime. So maybe Dahmer did just play it all off as ignorant to that fact, but in reality did utilized it to get away with it. I didn’t know about the painting part either!
And where exactly did you hear that nonsense? That’s 100% not true. Stop spreading false information about cases because you want to project racism onto something.
I don't know to me Dahmer always seemed like one of the stupider serial killers imo at least. Maybe he targeted black people subconsciously (like some people think) maybe not but personally I'm willing to take him at his word that race wasn't a factor it was just about looks when it came to who he chose to be his victim.
This series legit gave me anxiety throughout No horror film or tv series made me feel the way this did and I grew up watching a lot of them it is absolutely disturbing but phenomenal it is easily now one of Netflixs best
I think he definitely knew that people were checking less in under patrolled areas. The action itself was inherently racist whether Dahmer put much thought into it. Similar to the way he went into a gay neighborhood and weaponized the homophobia to get away with more / how serial killers target people like black and brown full service sex workers. More opportunity because of the racist institution. He knowingly and *intentionally* benefitted from institutionalized racism, so I don't think the question "was he racist" is that simple, nor do I think it's important lol That being said, he fetishized black men, so ya he was racist lmaooo
No he wasnt stfu yall throw racism on anything the cops n judge wer racist he just was a weirdo that lived amongst blacks because that’s where he could afford to live
The biggest issue with this show is the racial push. Dahmer himself, if I’m correct, was not racist. He went after people he deemed “beautiful” it’s why all the victims are very good looking. The homophobia was understandable especially with the AIDS epidemic occurring during this time but these cops and such especially in the 90s were not this racist. Maybe he got lucky and the one racist judge and multiple racist cops somehow allowed him to be free due to him being white but all the time? Idk. Peters does a great job and should be commended however.
Yes. Jeffrey himself wasn't racist, most of the victims are black because he lived in a black community. The cops were racist, had they not failed to act, the killings would've been stopped sooner.
just bc u don't know what racism is or have not experienced it does NOT mean that the situation was not racist it def was.....more of his victims were mINORITY which is why on the cops end YES THAT WAS RACIST bc they did NOT CARE....if his victims were mostly WHITE he def would have been caught.....also he did move in a neighborhood that was MAINLY BLK bc he knew NO ONE WOULD EVER THINK TWICE there....stop being so oblivious to clear social issues. There is no racial push but the facts that are facts and you're the same type of person who would swear racism is not a thing today. We need ppl like you OUT all shade- it was both racism and HOMOPHOBIA....u just dont like t see YOUR RACE in a BAD LIGHT they PUT THEMSELVES in jus say that
Racism did, and still does, play a huge role in the effectiveness of policing within various communities. Dont forget, he started in the 70's, and was caught not long before the Rodney King beating in LA. A refusal to acknowledge the role of racism in policing does not mean it isn't happening, and stats show that black and brown communities get less policing for victims and are far more likely to be arrested/convicted than white people doing the exact same crimes.
Well according to some one else Netflix left out a lot that they read in an article that Jeffrey was aware and using racism to his advantage as he uses the crazy black woman tactic on the woman trying to help the 14 yr old. they just left those parts of the conversation out
Gacy dug up bodies and was successful, it's never mentioned but Gacy was in jail as Dahmer was on his spree. So I wonder was Gacy a inspiration for Dahmer doing what he did.
The implication of there being no news stories of missing people is that everything is super-duper racist in early 90's. Yet there was lots of news stories of all the missing black kids in 1970's Georgia when Wayne William's was active. This is why the racism angle is pure bunk, because it doesn't hold up to scrutiny.
Omg i feel for both of you. This show was super intense. Thank you for doing these reactions. Honestly in all my years of studying critical race in college i confidently can say Dahmer was racist by targeting men of color. Racism isn't always about hating a group of people or always blatant.
This show was... so good but SO uncomfortable and intense. It was draining to watch for me. It's rare for a show where I finish an episode and want to watch the next one but simultaneously dread doing so. Evan Peters did SO well at being Dahmer. Everytime he was on screen, I was never comfortable. I was always just sitting there with dread and sadness. In a good way.
I’m glad you guys are doing this because I’m too scared to actually watch it, so atleast I’m seeing some of the stuff. Crazy how his victims were black,makes you think why he chose them. I’m curious if he ever admitted to being racist because why wouldn’t he if he was already being send to prison, might as well just say the truth about that
I watched the court testimony of this young man and he said that after the night, a year later he ran into JD at the nightclub. He got upset and went after JD, JDs response…, why don’t I buy you a cup of coffee and we can discuss it!! I kid you not
He said himself that he knew that black and brown people wouldn’t be looked for, so I don’t think he was racist but he definitely used it to his advantage
I don’t think he was racist. It just so happens that unfortunately, lower income housing is where more people of color live, that’s what he could afford... like he said 🤷🏽♀️He picked his victims based on convenience. The cops however, THEY were definitely culpable! If not for racial bias, the little Laotian kid would still be alive and his brother’s case would have put Dahmer away for way more time in prison. Imagine how many lives that could have saved 😢
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The grandma doing straight up a better job than any police officer right there
The young man who was portrayed in this episode, Ronald Flowers, was actually sexually assaulted by Jeffrey. When Ron woke up in the hospital, he was beaten up with ligature marks on his neck, and he discovered blonde hair in his underwear, which Jeffrey had put back on him the wrong way. When the police went to his grandma's house, he used the same story he did with Konerak - that they were in a consensual sexual relationship and Ron had just too much to drink. Ron has talked about what happened in the Mind of a Monster documentary.
Wow. Didn't know that.
Probably was too real. And out of respect of him surviving Dahmer.
So did his grandma really sit there the whole time or was that fictional then?
@@UFCWWE69 I think the grandma walked in on them but she was there at some point.
Jeffrey is sick.
The next episode is the toughest one imo. Tonys story is totally heartbreaking…
And made-up, he and Dahmer never dated. Dahmer treated him just as he treated his other victims.
@@MissMusicForYou I don't know about dating, but he & Dahmer did know each other and hang out for at least a year if not more, according to the victim's friends, I believe. And one of the relatives did say Dahmer stopped by a few times as well.
@@MissMusicForYou right they made that shit up soo mfs could feel bad but truthfully it’s no different than any of the other victims n if u wanna feel “more sympathy” for anyone it should be the 14yo kids he killed
But why talk about it on this episode ? Lol
Next ep pissed me off. There was no reason for us to know the whole story of one victim
Well, I don’t think the argument is if he’s racist. He at least found black men attractive. I think he just knew where he could get away with certain things.
deffo! especially him using the 'gay' card so much. I know he was actually gay but he definitely used it to his advantage because he knew what the reaction from the cops would be. He knew it would make them uncomfortable and not care once they knew that. Passing off all the abuse as 'gay stuff' hopefully this comment makes sense idk how to word it and I don't want to sound insensitive.
@@deadpoetstodd You worded it fine, Overly sensitive people shouldn’t watch this to begin with lol
Like he said, the apartment is what he could afford. The apartment is in a poor part of the city which means that it has higher crime rates and less police enforcement.
@@deadpoetstodd Dahmer definitely used the gay card to his advantage because this was like the height of the HIV pandemic and it wasn't understood as well compared to today. People literally thought you could catch the disease by interacting with gays. I think the show would have benefited more from the gay discrimination from the time instead of the systematic racism that they try in the show. It just doesn't work with the case study of Dahmer.
@@deadpoetstodd That’s all facts! Perfectly said.
I honestly don’t think his family members knew anything. Being a young adult now, looking back it’s easy to live a double life and your family have zero idea what you’re doing when you leave the house, especially if you don’t talk to them as much. His family just assumed he was a “weird and awkward kid” so they didn’t bother him.
A "young adult" yeah 😂
@@juanmiguelmiranda9705 I’m 20, 02’ kid, I dunno what’s funny about that.
😂😂😂
But, his family knew he wasn't "normal" from the love for dead animals to having a mannequin in his bed to exposing himself at the fair/carnival. They knew something wasn't right about him and didn't provide any help. They are just as much to blame
@@mr3thouzand i think his dad at least tried to help, he even sent that letter. Honestly, we never think our kids are capable of doing something like this, and I think it’s not right to put an equal responsibility to the father, he didn’t kill anyone, jeffrey said he was born this way, and mental health wasn’t take as seriously in the 80s than it is now, I would say the police have much more responsibility on this case because they had multiple chances to catch him, he was an adult when he did those things, the law should have been able to stop him
The worst thing about Dahmer was that his excuses stink worse than the dead bodies. That pork chop excuse is so bad. No one would believe that it would still stink of bad meat three days later.
It's the racism for me, that judge was pitiful. And the police should did jail time.
@@whitneywilliams317 or at the very least fired without ever being reinstated like they were as well as loss there pensions and blacklisted from every PD in the country.
@@whitneywilliams317 worst of all, both of those cops are still in active duty and one is a chief
@@okieg8960 smh pitiful
But at the same time they wouldnt think he was murdering people, i personally would probably just assume he lets meat go bad all the time and is embarrassed about it and so doesnt want to say or something
“I didn’t know he was into grave digging!” I’m sorry that just sounded like his grandma. 😂
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The one thing I appreciate about this show is that they actually had the Lao family speak in our native tongue. It’s so sad
Hard show to watch but damn Evan Peters is awesome!
I was always aware of him, but I had no idea he was such a good actor until recently! Honestly I used to think he was mostly cast in things to be a pretty face, but I was so wrong. He deserves all the awards.
@@DragonicCherry 💯
Yes he is 💯
That court scene pissed me off. I can't believe after everything he has done already to get introuble with the police and they keep giving him a slap on the fucking wrist? I really want to believe this isn't real but it's was and it's absolutely horrific in every way. God this show is good but it's so hard for me to watch it.
If I have to hear “I’m not gonna ruin your life” again by a cop or judge 😤
That's one of the benefits of having white privilege I guess especially back in the day when causal racism and homophobia wasn't even something people tried to hide I was just out in the open.
Evan Peter's acting is so intense, man, I think he should at least get an Emmy nomination. His characters annoyed me often in AHS, 😂 so maybe I wasn't able to evaluate him well as an actor, but he plays this one really brilliantly!
He was really good in, Mare of Easttown, as well!
@@senecaevans6156 Yes you're right. Overall it was a good series too. Great actor.
I admit it, Evan Peters is so damn scary on this. The way he mimics his voice, mannerisms / body movements, everything !! idk how they have done all the research that good but all the actors who played their roles, their voice, body languages, the cops, oh damn it ! it's all the same irL people they were portraying especially the court scenes. I've seen the actual court / trial room videos, and they all have the accurate portrayal as the Netflix's tv series Monster Dahmer. I'm so convinced of how Evan Peters made us believed that he was Jeffy D, his voice, mannerisms / body movements , seeing the actual Jeffy D's interviews available on every apps was so unbelievably accurate as how Evan Peters does on-screen, so eerily accurate. Emmy's gotta be blind if he don't win that award. This series is so fascinating.
As someone who has 2 of the same diagnoses as him (Borderline Personality, and Antisocial Personality), I can totally see how things could escalate to this if left unchecked, not taking medication, and no regular therapy. One of the components of BPD is a fear of abandonment... Dahmer had fear of abandonment to the extreme.
So, black and brown children had it WAYY WORSE at the time period. Were they eating white people and laying with their bodies...?
He really was just left on his own for most of his life with his thoughts unchecked. Had he perhaps gone to therapy or seen a psychologist early in his life; have someone he can talk to about these "tendencies" or "feelings", he might've never gone down the path he did. He was just holding it all in his entire life and if you do that; either with stress, depression, etc, it can explode and make you spiral out of control.
I agree with Dahmer (really don't like saying that) when he says that killers are born, HOWEVER, I do think that raising a kid badly or a kid having a shitty home life will aid in raising a serial killer. While bad parenting/home life isn't the root cause, it's definitely a catalyst.
Unfortunately back then (and even still now), seeking mental help, especially as a man was put down and seen as being "gay" or "girly", etc; you'd always be told to "be a man" or "man up". It was the mentality of the times.
It also didn't help that Dahmer was gay as well. Just another thing he couldn't really tell anyone about without having fear he would be ostracized further for that.
@@jjpark98 Yup plus we don't know how many people there are like me who could do something bad but managed to control themselves. So there is that bias in the data, we mostly only know the ones that ended being criminals.
Yo shut up
I disagree I think taking meds from an early age is the CAUSE of people's heads not being screwed on straight also it was explained earlier in the show that he had some weird sexual behavior towards flesh and viscera dahmers problem as horrible as it was wasn't complicated and was heavily worsened from his terrible parents and living situation no professional was going to fix that
In the psych ward after the first night they left me alone to wander around. The first night a therapist sits down and lets me cry while rubbing my back til I fall asleep. Every week a stern in personal Psychiatrist asks me if I'm still in danger psychologically as if just wandering around the ward was supposed to be medicinal. They had 'group counseling' which is not individualized at all and did nothing to fix my mental illness. Three weeks later im discharged out into the terrifying world with no follow up or therapy. I don't mind submitting to the medical system if they actually heal but I felt warehoused and nothing more. So I'm not surprised Dahmer never got necessary care in custody 😞
This show deserves Emmy nominations for
- Best Drama Series
- Best Directing Drama Series Episode 7
- Best Writing Drama Series Episode 6
- Best Writing Drama Series Episode 7
- Best Actor Drama Series, Ewan Peters
- Best Supporting Actress Drama Series, Niecy Nash
- Best Supporting Actor Drama Series, Richard Jenkins
Hey yk I just found you guys a few days ago not gonna lie I’m hooked on the dahmer reactions
The judge pissed me off I could understand the father just fine
He wouldn't necessarily need to be motivated by racism himself to know that he could leverage racism to his advantage.
Absolutely, I just don’t know if I give him that much credit for brains, he’s never seemed exceptionally smart, just lucky and privileged
@@BRIDGECO1 he doesnt have to be meticulously planned in order to still use that racism to his advantage. Just continue to be privileged, and continue to take victims without that same privilege. Be surrounded by witnesses who wont be given the same benefit of the doubt that he is. Whether he realized what he was doing or not, he still found himself in the perfect spot to get away with monstrosities and stayed there until the very end.
@@BRIDGECO1 He lived in a black neighborhood, so logically most of his victims happened to be black; but a racist killer would target one race specifically while Dahmer had African American victims, Latino, Native, 3 of them were actually white. He was all over the place with nationality... he simply killed those he found attractive.
Exactly
@@BRIDGECO1 he has mental issue, but apperently he did have an IQ of 145.
He was smart, but disturbed.
oh Tony.. Oh my god, that one just hit me too too much. The click Tony has with his friends, kiki-ing together in sign-language made me soooooooooo happy that was so beautiful to see and seeing Tony shine.. But yeah, at the end..it made me literally so so sad and angry
“I never saw any stories about anyone going missing”
Cops:”Why do you think that is?”
…(Everyone realizes)
Me: WHY?
bc most of his victims were gay black men and the police and/or the press evidently didn‘t give a fuck about them going missing
Because when black and brown people went missing, there wasn't news coverage, there wasn't strong investigations, and nobody really cared until it came out that they had been murdered by a white man... some of them had been missing for 10 years, but it just wasnt given police attention or taken seriously because of the racism in the law enforcement surrounding Jeff's crimes
Because he knew killing black people would not make the news
Minorities
@@concretelove But a couple of his victims including his first one Steven Hicks were white? The 2 main cops in the series seemed racist but aside from them, The department and courts were all around incompetent.
I mean how’s the 911 operator and every single cop just gonna ignore numerous complaints about death screams coming from a sex offenders apartment that also just happens to always smell like decaying corpse for over a year. The levels of incompetency that law enforcement displayed are beyond my comprehension, And the fact one of them got promoted to Captain after is just astounding. 🤮 So I’d agree that those 2 cops were racist but they also didn’t care about the white people he killed, It’s like they were just so stupid and lazy they didn’t wanna do their jobs regardless. That’s how it seemed to me anyway.
There’s definitely racism and homophobia on the part of law enforcement throughout this series but I’m still not sure if Jeff himself was a racist or discriminated against people by race or skin color etc. his victims really only had one thing in common and that was all were males. He targeted a wide range of males in various age groups and races. As for living in that area of Milwaukee I believe it just happened to be what he could afford which was not much. And living in that area is likely what contributed to most of his victims being black gay men because that was the predominant population among the clubs he would visit where he’d find victims
Jeff most definitely used racism to his advantage, he subconsciously knew if he moved to a black neighbourhood he was less likely to be caught
Both can be true. He may not have been targeting men of color because he wanted to harm them for racial reasons, but it was still absolutely common knowledge at the time that black communities got less effective policing. Even if that awareness was subconscious, he still used their race (and his own) to his advantage
oh no ur wrong. When he killed the people in his grandmothers house, he realized that no one came looking for them. He didn’t see them on the news or anything. He KNEW THAT. So of course what isn’t broke don’t change. He kept going after those specific people (race). He also gotten away with SO much shit because of cops so obviously he knew he could keep getting away with shit. He knew his white privilege and he knew that the cops were not gonna go looking for missing people of color.
I am pretty sure that a penis was found in his apartment that was painted white.
@@hollie5099 buddy if that’s all he could afford that’s all he could afford like are you dumb?
I subscribed to you guys, you are so humble and so fun to watch! This series traumatized me for good, because it is a real thing that happened in real life.. rip to all of the victims and may god bless their families
The house he lived in with the grandmother had two separate entrances. That's why that monster got away at his grandma's house.
Not that it matters in the grand scheme of the way things played out but I think I heard they only had him in prison for 10 months and the family of konorak (the 14 yr old he killed after he got out) wasn't even notified.
Which they should of been because by that point he'd already sexually assaulted konorak's older brother who was the boy that got him in prison in the first place.
Halfway mark, hang in there you two :) love the channel
Episode 6 will break your heart 🥺
why? no different than to other episodes.
@@duckling4393 NOT REALLY MAN TO BE HONEST HELL YAH
@@duckling4393 seeing Tony grow up definitely hurt more
Nahh not really
It was well sad, because Tony was a really nice man who actually cared about Jeff just to be murdered by him 😢 I clapped in the schene where dahmer got killed
I hope that judge regretted that decision
Not to sound like a punk but I cried my ass off in episode 6 😭😭😭I kinda made me wanna watch it more tho bc of Jeffrey Dahmer Death😭😭😭😭😭🥹❤️
The show itself wasn’t bad, but I started losing interest towards the end but I also only continued watching to see him die lol
Felicity- If you lost interest thats pretty dark tbh. You have a fucked up mind if you got bored…
My man didn't deserve that! He was such a sweetheart too. I miss him 🥺
@@JeremyJonezzz bruh wtf 🤨. if your referring to Jeffery Dahmer like it sounds like you are.
@@nappyk96 HELL NO! talking about tony broo
i CANNOT WAIT to see ur guys’ reaction to this next episode..
Dahmer lived only 3 hours away from my current house. I wasn’t born yet anyway. But it’s still creepy.
3 hours bro I live a couple blocks from where he use to live
@@blacklungs6508 Oh wow. Were you alive back then?
@@TheAdamChaney thankfully no but every single fucking time i walk pass the vacant lot as I'm walking on that brick alley I get Goosebumps/chills
@@blacklungs6508 Yeah. I can’t imagine what that’s like. 😬
What I’m looking forward to besides episode 6, is The Jeffery Dahmer Tapes documentary coming out on Netflix Oct 7th. It’ll be cool to watch that after remembering everything that happened in this dahmer series and being able to compare the two
I need people to understand racism is a big part in the story, Jeffery dahmer wasn’t racist, BUT he would use racism and homophobia to his advantage, Also he found black men attractive
cant lie I enjoy watching youre reviews on this series I cant wait for yall upload it
He definitely knew what he was doing moving into that neighborhood. That was no accident.
He couldn't afford to live anywhere else. Had nothing to do with race
Why because your race obsessed self think that???? Not everything is about race sweetie
be ready for the next episode man just be ready
why? no different than the other episodes.
Yeah no sound at all the whole episode
Duck ling- you keep commenting this but its ENTIRELY different. How many prior episodes focused on the victims story? None. So how can it not be worse to see the kid from a child and see what he was going through to put him in Jeffs path. Big fucking difference, dumbass.
He may not have been racist himself, but he definitely used racism & homophobia to his advantage, which is worse imo. He knew law enforcement didn’t take minorities’ issues seriously & he recognized that homophobia scared cops away because of the stigma around homosexuality & the ignorance around the AIDS epidemic back then.
The parents on the other hand, refused to take accountability of their actions/parenting. With the father brushing things off & ignoring obvious red flags, and the mother’s absence & mental health history.
you cut out the most important scene: the one in which the son speaks for his father. I wonder why you cut it out
the victims (father-son speech in the court scene) were Asians. So unfortunately, this channel doesnt give a fck about them. So they skipped the most important scene, sad tbh
@@soulja4real347yea just like they seem to be “anti-christians” or anti god lol
The next episode is so fcking sad..
why? no different than other episodes.
Much different
Duck ling- you the family member thats offended by the show? Bc all I see is you copy and pasting the same fuckin comment over and over.
@@btnhstillfire how is it different?
The grandma thing never happened but he did survive. How is pretty much unknown, actually.
The judge pissed me off, not only because of his leniency with Jeff, but how he treated Mr Sinthasomphone. The man spoke perfectly good English...but the judge's racist a** didn't wanna hear his English.
Man I have to say that Deaf person really hit, I don’t want to spoil it for you guys but it was really sad. I was watching it with my girl and she crying over here and I’m like shocked almost.
I totally forgot that the step mom is Molly Ringwald.
It’s a great series! Netflix specializes in these true crime shows. I’m on episode 8 now 💯
I like the Skeletons in the back of the room it kinda relates to the netflix series 😂
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You're absolutely correct, this story *is* about racism and homophobia. It is without question that Dahmer would have been caught sooner if his victims had been white. If Dahmer himself had been black, he'd have been shot by the racist police.
I'm really enjoying your reactions....well, as much as I can with a storyline like this. I feel and share your frustration.
love you guys enjoying this emotional ride with yall cant wait for chucky season 2
Yeah, we should set up therapy groups to talk about this series!!
Exactly! I can't believe I made it this far in the series. I feel I need to create or join one asap.
i think the human mind is more complexe than just "he was crazy". It is "nature vs nurture", are serial killers born that way or do they become that way, or is it a bit of both, is there a way to heal killers mind so they dont feel the urge, the compulsion to kill, can they be fix ?
He was not diagnosed with psychopathy. He was just an evil individual.
You can do horrible things and not be mentally deranged
Episode 6 is gonna break your heart
Tony….
I have absolutely never felt legitimately this sick to my stomach watching a show/hearing a real story. Absolutely horrendous how this was just happening and he was basically just allowed to do it.
Digging the analysis, y’all. ✊🏽
its just crazy how he got away in court and the police
At least you're not traumatizing your cute dog anymore. Man, did he looked stressed out.
I agree. This is way worse than any horror film. This is a reflection of the worst of humanity. It's a good thing the performances are so good and the production is such high quality because if it wasn't this would be unwatchable
Lol if you live in Milwaukee you know thats a horrible part of town only a few blocks from Marquette university. Has literally never been a good area. Still now heavy drug area
I think he was fully aware or he realizes he could get away with this if his victims were poor black and gay. Especially during that time period smh sad stuff. Smh
Not all of his victims were black. People are just simply trying to make him out as someone who targeted blacks.
@@argeadworldwide true honestly I think he was just attracted to black or ethnic guys. It was another killer Samuel little who admitted he targeted black females bcuz nobody would give a damn about them. The same with the green river killer. He targeted sex workers
@@argeadworldwide but most of his victims were dummy
That shot of the bracelet on the severed arm. It's very brief and there's nothing like it in the rest of the series. Very unnerving. ALSO...that chocolate company, correctly identified BY NAME in the series, is still in business. Odd. There was a RUMOR that Wendy's contained worms and they almost went outta business. But Dahmer mixes the chocolate at a chocolatier where he ACTUALLY kept a severed head on premises, and nothin'.
this is how im watching this show free
I'm excited to see what y'all think of the next episode because i finished the season. I'm watching y'all because i love all your content.
'Dahmer wasn't racist'
Body parts were found on his property that were painted white iirc. He definitely targeted black men for other reasons than fetishizing/ that was his type (if I'm not mistaken)
I think the cop was actually on to something. Dahmer was a calculated guy
Trigger warning?
So now I’m starting to think about that fact we only get so many details from Dahmer. The portrayal always seems him being ignorant of the fact that the racism from cops and such let him get away with it for so long, so in my head he was always just “lucky” for where he ended up and everyone around him being racist… but now I’m thinking of it more how a lot of criminals do deny certain aspects of their crimes. Like when someone murders someone but they deny r*ping them because they see that as below them or worse than their other crime. So maybe Dahmer did just play it all off as ignorant to that fact, but in reality did utilized it to get away with it. I didn’t know about the painting part either!
And where exactly did you hear that nonsense? That’s 100% not true. Stop spreading false information about cases because you want to project racism onto something.
I don't know to me Dahmer always seemed like one of the stupider serial killers imo at least.
Maybe he targeted black people subconsciously (like some people think) maybe not but personally I'm willing to take him at his word that race wasn't a factor it was just about looks when it came to who he chose to be his victim.
Very neat reactions I am really enjoying this
Sending good vibes to my homies!!!
Subscribed! Love your channel.
Grab the tissues for the next one
Heart breaking is the understatement especially after episode 6.
Your halfway there
This series legit gave me anxiety throughout No horror film or tv series made me feel the way this did and I grew up watching a lot of them it is absolutely disturbing but phenomenal it is easily now one of Netflixs best
If his living quarters smelled horrible I know he smelled horrible too
He was racist according to his army mate Preston David… Davis mentioned how Dahmer would frequently use racial slurs
14:20 “God damnit Jeff!”
I had a hard time figuring out is Dahmer was racist or not. But it does come off as if he has an obsession/ sadistic interest with black men
I think he definitely knew that people were checking less in under patrolled areas. The action itself was inherently racist whether Dahmer put much thought into it. Similar to the way he went into a gay neighborhood and weaponized the homophobia to get away with more / how serial killers target people like black and brown full service sex workers. More opportunity because of the racist institution. He knowingly and *intentionally* benefitted from institutionalized racism, so I don't think the question "was he racist" is that simple, nor do I think it's important lol
That being said, he fetishized black men, so ya he was racist lmaooo
No he wasnt stfu yall throw racism on anything the cops n judge wer racist he just was a weirdo that lived amongst blacks because that’s where he could afford to live
The Laotian family was not actually present during the 1989 sentencing.
The biggest issue with this show is the racial push. Dahmer himself, if I’m correct, was not racist. He went after people he deemed “beautiful” it’s why all the victims are very good looking. The homophobia was understandable especially with the AIDS epidemic occurring during this time but these cops and such especially in the 90s were not this racist. Maybe he got lucky and the one racist judge and multiple racist cops somehow allowed him to be free due to him being white but all the time? Idk. Peters does a great job and should be commended however.
Yes. Jeffrey himself wasn't racist, most of the victims are black because he lived in a black community. The cops were racist, had they not failed to act, the killings would've been stopped sooner.
Racial push is kinda a Netflix hallmark at this point.
just bc u don't know what racism is or have not experienced it does NOT mean that the situation was not racist it def was.....more of his victims were mINORITY which is why on the cops end YES THAT WAS RACIST bc they did NOT CARE....if his victims were mostly WHITE he def would have been caught.....also he did move in a neighborhood that was MAINLY BLK bc he knew NO ONE WOULD EVER THINK TWICE there....stop being so oblivious to clear social issues. There is no racial push but the facts that are facts and you're the same type of person who would swear racism is not a thing today. We need ppl like you OUT all shade- it was both racism and HOMOPHOBIA....u just dont like t see YOUR RACE in a BAD LIGHT they PUT THEMSELVES in jus say that
Racism did, and still does, play a huge role in the effectiveness of policing within various communities. Dont forget, he started in the 70's, and was caught not long before the Rodney King beating in LA. A refusal to acknowledge the role of racism in policing does not mean it isn't happening, and stats show that black and brown communities get less policing for victims and are far more likely to be arrested/convicted than white people doing the exact same crimes.
Well according to some one else Netflix left out a lot that they read in an article that Jeffrey was aware and using racism to his advantage as he uses the crazy black woman tactic on the woman trying to help the 14 yr old. they just left those parts of the conversation out
Gacy dug up bodies and was successful, it's never mentioned but Gacy was in jail as Dahmer was on his spree. So I wonder was Gacy a inspiration for Dahmer doing what he did.
The implication of there being no news stories of missing people is that everything is super-duper racist in early 90's. Yet there was lots of news stories of all the missing black kids in 1970's Georgia when Wayne William's was active. This is why the racism angle is pure bunk, because it doesn't hold up to scrutiny.
U guys aren’t ready for EP6…
Omg i feel for both of you. This show was super intense. Thank you for doing these reactions. Honestly in all my years of studying critical race in college i confidently can say Dahmer was racist by targeting men of color. Racism isn't always about hating a group of people or always blatant.
This show was... so good but SO uncomfortable and intense. It was draining to watch for me. It's rare for a show where I finish an episode and want to watch the next one but simultaneously dread doing so. Evan Peters did SO well at being Dahmer. Everytime he was on screen, I was never comfortable. I was always just sitting there with dread and sadness. In a good way.
okay so if someone is only attracted to black people or brown people, it means that someone is racist ?
next episode is going to make you enraged
9:07 sorry but your delivery made me audibly laugh
The court room and police parts of this episode made me so angry. I actually shouted at my screen I was so disgusted.
No way we have the same elfbar flavor
I’m glad you guys are doing this because I’m too scared to actually watch it, so atleast I’m seeing some of the stuff. Crazy how his victims were black,makes you think why he chose them. I’m curious if he ever admitted to being racist because why wouldn’t he if he was already being send to prison, might as well just say the truth about that
fucking love you guys
Privilege is a sweet rotten apple that everyone wants to taste.
You isnt ready for episode 6 lol
Yeah too real and sometime in reality is scary and fantasy.
I watched the court testimony of this young man and he said that after the night, a year later he ran into JD at the nightclub. He got upset and went after JD, JDs response…, why don’t I buy you a cup of coffee and we can discuss it!! I kid you not
:/ what a troll…I hate that that was clever
He said himself that he knew that black and brown people wouldn’t be looked for, so I don’t think he was racist but he definitely used it to his advantage
yall should react to "black bird" its super super amazing and underrated!
Of course he not racist he loved black dudes foh
I don’t think anyone would want to be loved by him
this is my first time watching jeffrey dahmer i'm watching it with u y'all
You look exactly like Matt Damon
I feel sorry for both of you, next episode is gonna break your heart :((
All she did was ask him what he does at the chocolate factory. Why was he so disrespectful to her? I wonder if he paid her rent?
they moved on past his service time in the military because of what he did to people he served with
Um fim mais que merecido para esse monstro sem coracao,fod...e
There was no sex offender registry back then
Please do more ! ❤
7:22 i don’t understand
I don’t think he was racist. It just so happens that unfortunately, lower income housing is where more people of color live, that’s what he could afford... like he said 🤷🏽♀️He picked his victims based on convenience.
The cops however, THEY were definitely culpable! If not for racial bias, the little Laotian kid would still be alive and his brother’s case would have put Dahmer away for way more time in prison. Imagine how many lives that could have saved 😢