I once was an angry social justice warrior, then became an angry conservative, and now I feel God gently steering me away from all this. Politics are way too toxic and it instigates fear of the other. It's a relief not to be angry and fearful anymore. I just hope and pray America finds a way out of all the poison.
Matthew 24:6 "be not alarmed"...the enemy wants us to be afraid, worried, distracted. So if something it stirring that up in you, it's not from God. We are called to fear not, over and over and over again. God doesn't want us angry, afraid, and distracted from His business.
So this is just basic Reformed eschatology, amill/postmill/preterist; everything's symbolism that was fulfilled in the first century. Reformed theology is generally awesome if you don't include the train wreck of their eschatology. It's just utterly ridiculous the way these guys bend over backwards to over symbolize everything. Look you can't read Revelation like it's not connected to the book of Daniel, the Gospels and especially 1 and 2 Thessalonians. Daniel was really specific about what was coming and we've already seen how Christ's first coming was accurate down to the year that Daniel prophesied. Now his second coming and the time of Jacob's trouble is just a bunch of symbolism that was fulfilled in 70 AD with the destruction of the temple? Considering the book wasn't written until the late 80s or even as late as 95 AD... not a chance. The real elephant in the room that theses Reformed guys totally ignore is 1 and 2 Thess. I mean how they just act like those books don't exist or have any bearing one's interpretation of Revelation is insane. They are two letters that contain ZERO symbolism. None. And they explain very clearly what Christ's return will entail and how we will literally meet him in the cloud just as he left us. Then 2 Thess goes on to explain that that day will not come unless two things happen first, the falling away and the revealing of the Son of Perdition who Jesus himself will destroy by his coming. The church will face Antichrist and the Lord will destroy Antichrist by his coming. None of that is symbolism. None of that happened in the first century. It's just so crazy to watch these guys ignore what's right in front of their face because they so doggedly want to stick to their systematic theologies.
Did y’all really just ask a Calvinist if people are meat puppets with no irony or acknowledgment of the obvious jokes there in any way? Tisk, tisk. Always go for the easy joke!
I think race, the environment, justice, violence, drugs etc. are all important things to discuss and try to do better on. But I think it’s time the church and people in general look at whose causing all those issues and making it worse, the government. I’ll admit I’m extremely libertarian, possibly an anarchist(no I don’t believe in violence), but I think we would be better off dismantling institutions completely and not trying to reform everything. Just my two cents. Great show.
My heart broke a bit when Chandler started to go the woke route ranting about social justice, I have not followed on him but I hope God keeps him in the good path. Nonetheless I love this brother and thank God for him.
@@joeyalbert1541 the new social justice or woke religion in this country is nothing but a Marxist scam. Using minorities and grievance groups for political gain and power.
I clearly disagree with his interpretation of Revelation, but I take the good out of the conversation. Is clear that christians need more action, we need to preach the gospel because is much needed. The only way to change the angry liberals and the angry conservatives, is through Christ
Whose definition of "Justice", man's or God's and is there a difference? See, the world doesn't want "biblical justice" they want vengeance which belongs to God alone. Biblical Justice is one of 2 options: 1) God wipes out all sin and all sinners, or 2) A savior is provided to save us from "biblical justice". Any other discussion of "biblical justice" is a man made ideology. The person that wants human justice now, actually needs more protection from God's justice. Not one of us has been wronged by a human more than we have personally wronged God (which is the bad news of the good news gospel). Preach that to those who want "justice" and see what they say.
Lost me from 42:49 How can you compare care for the souls with care for the environment as if they are both Gospel issues, I see he is still in his woke path. Biblical justice? Why does justice needs and adjective. What does he mean by that?
The Old Testament law talks quite a lot about justice, as does Proverbs. I have a feeling he's talking about that when he says "Biblical justice". Although he didn't define what he believes Biblical justice is, and I think a definition from him would've been helpful, at least for me. It's possible he uses the term "Biblical justice" to differentiate from worldly justice? Just my thoughts
Great to hear a different perspective on Revelation. Sadly, many many churches have submitted to the State, they want to obey the state, love the state and worship the state. We are living in the separating of the wheat from the chaff and is totally God's work.
@@matthewmclain461 Idolizing the State is truly the Churches' main sin today. When you would rather obey the State's dictates than Gods you are worshipping the State. Consider this: Christians are being publicly chastised by Christian authors, in the media, for not obeying the mandates, being publicly called out for allegedly unloving behaviour. Christians are being denied fellowship in their churches, not because of sin, but because they are following their god-given conscience. Christians are being denied jobs or fired from ministry because they are obeying their conscience. These severe punishments are being brought by the very Christians, for whom covid-19 vaccination is an alleged expression of love for their neighbour. Vaccinated Christians have become willing agents of the State to bring pain and suffering to Christians who cannot violate their conscience. Make no mistake, what is happening now is a fundamental rewriting of the popularist mindset of what it means to be a Christian, both inside and outside the church.
@@Tina-Marie-iz8zy do good to those who speak all sorts of evil against you for my name's sake - Jesus. Be patient and kind to those who have been deceived into one mindset or another. He is separating the wheat from the chaff. And in times like these, we can recognize that He is also separating the chaff out of our personal lives, and across the board.
@@euthaniser can't reason with crazy on your level, sport. Seek help. I've been in ministry for 20 years and I can confirm, we don't control anything. If we did, we would all be rich like the sheisters of the prosperity gospel. Where's my private jet, genius? Block.
Chandler doing his best damage control for his CRT debacle.... it sounds close enough like the gospel that it leads immature and new followers to folly.... he's lost the plot like Platt and Todd White..... run from these false teachers and cling to Christ's teaching alone... don't fall captive to their cult of personality and false piety that mistakes knowledge of Scripture with understanding of Scripture....
"The devil can cite Scripture for his purpose. An evil soul producing holy witness Is like a villain with a smiling cheek, A goodly apple rotten at the heart. O, what a goodly outside falsehood hath!" William Shakespeare, The Merchant of Venice
Pardon me, Brothers, but why are your mics so hot? Matt's was nowhere near as loud as Josh's and Michael's. I had to turn the youtube volume almost all the way down as I listened in my bed, then turn it up again to hear Matt. I love your podcast, and thank you so much for your good work. God bless you!
Yes, agree with the speaker. If I understand him correct.... The Beast is much more likely a type of "spiritual institution" that cannot be killed by humans- no matter how pure of mind and soul. Only God can destroy this " Beast". So, I also see the Beast as the " spirit if the age " that creates Beastly institutions with Beastly policies. Ephesians 6 :12 confirms my thinking : not fighting flesh and blood rather principalities and powers in high places. High places, I would consider to be the Ether ( spiritual realm) . Not to say that Fallen Angels did not/does not exist. I think the fallen Angels has been/are controlled/guided by the Beast system/ Beast Spirit of the past and current times. 🥼☠💉Hence the corruption of most Institutions via these evil policies. 💉☠💀🥼
Thank you all, that was really helpful and well-handled. I see this where I am too (in the UK), with people putting their hope in government and being consistently and regularly let down... and yet, they return with a renewed vigour on this when a new party or leader rises and is instituted, only to be be let down again. There's a real pain in the hearts of the people now, because that kind of 'trust' is exhausting. It's an incredible time to get the gospel out there, because people are so lacking in hope, even though they continue to place their hope in these man-made/worldly systems.
Lol, here in Australia; people automatically know we'll be let down. So, people are against the government always. I always feel bad for each PM knowing that; at any moment they're going to get ridiculed for a decision.
I think Dr. Nathan Cartagena (Wheaton College) & Dr. Jeff Liou (Intervarsity Christian Fellowship) have both been doing an excellent job speaking publicly about CRT. I'm sure they'd consider giving interviews!
Read The Coming Prince by Sir Robert Anderson. Read Revelation in concert with Daniel and Matthew 24. . It will come together if one doesn't hurry to allegorize everything.
Yeah, I found this to be WAY too allegorical, I take the Bible literally unless it says differently, and while some of his ‘points’ are valid in life, they aren’t for the book of Revelation, he really seems to be stretching to make things fit! (In my opinion anyway)
@@veronicaspencelocke2003 As I understand it, the 69th week, was fulfilled exactly on Palm Sunday, then the big gap (the time of the Gentiles)and now we are awaiting the 70th week, but we won't be here , PTL
So what do we do with this verse: “Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except by God’s appointment, and the authorities that exist have been instituted by God. So the person who resists such authority resists the ordinance of God, and those who resist will incur judgment” Romans 13:1-2 NET
The Bible has several examples such as Daniel and the lions den, that we are to follow governments until they go against God. For instance if the Governmet says you can longer assemble together but the book of Hebrews says we are not to forsake assembling together then we go with God and break man's law
I don’t agree with Matt because of Joshua 9-13 parallels revelation 6:1-3, and I don’t agree that it’s the anti christ spirit or churches like he suggests in his sermons. I believe that it’s talking about the true churches of Christ, because it’s consistent with revelation 1-4/19:11-16, but I believe the woman is Israel and her children are the churches throughout history that endure. I believe Revelation is talking about Israel in chapters 17-18, and I believe Romans 11 parallels well with revelation 7 and Revelation 14 and honestly when you look at the bottom of revelation 7 it takes care of the whole issue of ”what about the other nations”. I think scripture is pretty clear and we shouldn’t have to over spiritualize the book of revelation.
Great interview as usual, gentlemen. I come to eschatology with a different system than Chandler, but I agree with a lot of what he said and learned some things. He is an excellent brother. Thank you!
Imagery and “signified “is the central theme of the book of Revelation The first chapter is a glossary ie.the church is the lamp stand Stars are angels/Messengers like you and me or preachers or heavenly Mountain =Authority Two witnesses are lamp stand or church The Winners are Christ Jesus and the Bride,who are priests and kings who overcome by the blood of Jesus their testimony and loved Christ Jesus MORE than their own life Matthew chapter 24:29-31 After the great tribulation is the only rapture Thanks again for your encouragement Don’t take the jabiru MOTB
Amen Brother we should. But how ? After all King Ahab needed prayers. Heres my prayer Psa 94:12-23 NHEB 12 Blessed is the man whom you discipline, LORD, and teach out of your Law; 13 that you may give him rest from the days of adversity, until the pit is dug for the wicked. 14 For the LORD won’t reject his people, neither will he forsake his inheritance. 15 For judgment will return to righteousness. All the upright in heart shall follow it. 16 Who will rise up for me against the wicked? Who will stand up for me against the evildoers? 17 Unless the LORD had been my help, my soul would have soon lived in silence. 18 When I said, “My foot is slipping.” Your loving kindness, LORD, held me up. 19 In the multitude of my thoughts within me, your comforts delight my soul. 20 Shall the throne of wickedness have fellowship with you, which brings about mischief by statute? 21 They gather themselves together against the soul of the righteous, and condemn the innocent blood. 22 But the LORD has been my high tower, my God, the rock of my refuge. 23 He has brought on them their own iniquity, and will cut them off in their own wickedness. The LORD, our God, will cut them off.
It doesn’t say pray for the success of our leaders or for the perpetuation of our nation. What types of prayers does the Bible say we should offer up on behalf of our leaders? Many people like to fill in the blank if they are too lazy to search for God’s direction in His word or when He doesn’t give explicit information on a particular matter.
@@Failur3i5n0tan0pt1on the Bible says to pray for our leaders let the Holy Spirit give you the right words... Jesus died for our world leaders and loves them as much as He loves us
The Bible also says love your enemies and pray for those PERSECUTING Christ’s true followers. (MATTHEW 5:44) Praying for people in no way suggests they deserve or have God’s favor. Jesus taught that government officials/agents would be the PRIMARY PERSECUTORS of his true followers. (MATTHEW 10:17-18; MARK 13:9; LUKE 21:12-13) We are given a reason as to why Christ’s followers should offer prayers and supplication for government leaders. It is for the purpose that Christ’s true followers go on living a quiet and peaceful life with all godly devotion and holiness. 1 TIMOTHY 2:1-2 I urge, then, first of all, that petitions, prayers, intercession and thanksgiving be made for all people- 1Ti 2:2 - for kings and all those in authority, that we may live peaceful and quiet lives in all godliness and holiness. It’s not for the support of their positions nor in allegiance with their nation. It’s purpose is for Christ’s followers not to be harassed, oppressed, or persecuted if at all possible.
Chandler kinda sounding postmil with this government political talk… just step into Matt. Look to the partial-preterits Postmil view and we can be on board brother 😉
At minute 47 he said there is no grace for that. That’s not true Matt. There are people, Christians, that do give you grace for that. And I would say because, any preacher or teacher can look back at a sermon or lesson they preached 5, 10, 15 years ago and would probably want grace for what they said at times. So for what it’s worth, there are some that still give grace, so be encouraged brother.
Really disappointed by this one. Not that I disagree with everything Matt says about government, culture and evil, but I couldn't follow how he got these conclusions from Revelation. I think he said it all when he said he was coming from a Western perspective.
In the Revelation series the Village Church did, I was very surprised by the interpretations. It was interesting to hear! Thanks for hosting this and asking the questions I also had. But I have to agree, it was disappointing.
Would love to talk to you guys about introducing a standard liberal theology anthology of essays into the conservative theological conversation. Voices from the Margins: Interpreting the Bible in the Third World (ed.) R.S. Sugirtharajah.
If you're looking for a grown-up to have a conversation with regarding the topics you mentioned at about 44 minutes in, could I please recommend Dr Preston Sprinkle? He's really good on all of those topics, very gentle, respectful, and he's totally on board with understanding the evil spiritual forces behind cultural and political movements in the kingdoms of this world. As an Anabaptist I'd love to see somebody who agrees with us on nonviolence have a seat at the table in this conversation.
One question I just thought of for Pastor Matt is: in Revelation 6, when it talks about the 4th seal, the pale horse and how it kills a fourth (1/4) of the people on earth (vs 7-8) - how is this interpreted? Would this be jn reference to events that have already happened? Or future events, not yet fulfilled? I'm open to hearing any of your thoughts (Matt, Josh or Michael).
So much good and challenging content here. Any comment I make is simply going to fail to sufficiently engage with what was discussed. But, I can say that even though I disagree with Chandler's position on eschatology as a futurist, I feel like so much of what he said here can be, in principle, positively applied to almost any eschatological position. As far as content goes, where I found the most agreement was in his recognition of the government's role in "the Beast system". My own study of Revelation has had the most impact on my life in terms of evoking joy and true contentment with the Kingdom of God. I used to be very involved in politics and struggled with depression, anger, and discontentment. Since I stopped looking to the government, I am walking in the joy of the Spirit, I don't hate my "enemies", and I'm content knowing the providence and provision of God. So, unsurprisingly, where I think I found the most disagreement was in Chandler's view that Christians should still put *some* (not all, but some) hope in the beast system for advancing the Kingdom of God. I understand where he's coming from because there are questions that arise about Christians who hold public office. And I don't blame him for wanting to speak to these kinds of issues with some nuance in order to avoid extremes, but I'm mindful that Scripture's command to Christians is "come out of her my people so that you don't share in her sins and partake of her plagues". Regardless of where one falls on these questions, this interview is a contribution to the subject of Revelation (which is a rare achievement these days)! Well done!
CRT is not mainly a white evangelical issue Chandler. It's an issue for all Christians and critized by all races and Biblical justice can not include social justice.
We should not deal with worldly issues with worldly solutions. Worldly problems require kingdom solutions (from the church!) The gospel is the same. The commands are the same. Love the Lord your God, love your neighbor and do good, pray for your enemies. Feed the poor. Share Jesus. Pray.
Wow, this was NOT good. I had high hopes, but he treated Revelation more like a novel open to malleable interpretation than writings interpreted clearly by the Scriptures themselves. His intellectual opining lacked firm Scriptural and historical support. Videos by Walter Veith offer far more solid support for interpreting Revelation and the beast. Also, in Revelation the beast is a singular entity, not Nazis, Rome, and innumerable other powers since the beginning of time.
I grew up in a Hispanic pentecostal church and I'm still pentecostal. most of what was said in this video I know since a child but today it seems like most Hispanic pentecostal churches don't talk about it. It's very refreshing to hear this again now that I'm older.
Certainly not, if Chandler was "woke" he would be spouting Critical Race Theory how LGBT, Muslims, and Women are all oppressed. He talks about racism. Do you deny racism? If so, are you in the United States? Chandler is primarily speaking to the US audience.
Hello my name is raquel. Im thirty four. I live in deep south texas and things can get crazy out here and ppl sometimes agree with the insanity and its crazy. Ive always liked about pastor matt that he doesnt sound so crazy. Sometimes i wish he was my friend. Lol. Bye have a nice day.
The thing that occurs to me listening to Matt Chandler talking about how this is our time to stay strong and move the church forward is that Matt Chandler's theology is divine determinism so he's there advocating that we do things that either God will decree us to do or not. Our thoughts, emotions, plans, ideas, etc have nothing to do with it. God decrees whatsoever He wills to come to pass for his own good pleasure, right? Chandler comes across as extremely hypocritical. If you believe in Calvin, then believe in Calvin. Don't preach sermons about the doctrines of grace and then live your life as a libertarian. Be consistent.
I feel like it's because we then seek conservatism after we are exhausted 😩 from these "risings" ... so that's why we can't really defeat it bc we can only handle like 3.5 years before we all realize what we voted for
This is an awesome interpretation of Revelation! You guys should have Terry Wolfe on the show. His understanding of the book is AMAZING!! Very different than anything I’ve ever heard. His book where he goes into detail is called “Maybe We’re All Wrong”.
I really liked this right up until he repeatedly uses the phrase “biblical justice” without defining it. That sounds good but it would be important to actually articulate what that means. Because it was the rise of Marxism in the American church in the early and mid 20th century that coopted that term to mean exactly the “dragon” system outlined earlier. If you keep using the term without defining it, you only promote confusion and division.
I go to an Acts 29 church so was great to hear Chandler’s perspective on Revelation and the powers. The dragon-manipulated political and religious institutions, and what that looks like - seeking hope, security, and salvation in something other than God.
The insights into the symbolism of Revelation were the best I've heard. It's so confusing when I've heard people talk about whether something symbolises Nero...or China...etc , but to see it as general tendencies is far more useful. Thanks very much.
Woo Hoo! Matt Chandler.Good to see him reigning in the excesses of runaway interpretation so popular these days.Well done Matt and the Remnant Radio for having him on!
Romans 13 does NOT say government is good and restrains evil. You really think the governments of Venezuela, North Korea, Iran, and Afghanistan are good and restraining evil?? 🙄 Verse 4 assumes a good and (fairly) moral government, like that which was found in the United States until the early 20th century.
So I have to say I've been convicted that my first comment ever to Remnant Radio has been to express my disappointment. The reality is I've been so blessed by your ministry! I'm Pentecostal AOG and love our cooperative fellowship and believe in our 16 Fundamentals of Faith, but I'm hungry for thoughtful biblical teachings, especially that align with the gifts of the spirit. I would like to know how Pastor Matt came to those conclusions. Maybe you could do a follow up teaching some time.
I think Matt is right on this one. Revelation 13 seems cyclic. There is always evil governments and evil religion that rise up and put down. Revelation shows that evil Judaism and Rome were judged and destroyed.
Well, since God determines all things according to him, this really has no import because God is the ultimate cause of evil anyway. And yes, what I’m saying is relevant because of his inconsistencies with his fundamental deterministic framework. You can’t have it both ways and be relevant, all you compatabilists.
I get it that people like Matt and other "pastors" of churches are very smart "book" people and God loves those people. At the same time, people like Matt, and Joshua Lewis and Michael Rowntree have never been tested. You have never feed the homeless only to have God tell you, "I'm going to make you homeless too". You have a wife. You have children. You have a family. God has blessed your career! Just saying. You call that tested? A bad day to you is, traffic was bad today! I remember when Jehovah told me that He was going to take me thru a Job like experience and that I would lose my family, career and everything. At the time, I was feeding the homeless and ministering to hispanic children in the North side of Fort Worth where Mexican Gangs thrive. God put me there and I did it for free!!!. And my reward was God telling me, "I'm going to take you thru a Job Experience". Could Rowntree, Josh Lewis or even this Matt Chandler relate? No!!! No way. You have no idea what it is like to be tested and that is the truth. Writing from Peru!
This is a pretty astonishing post - so, what you're saying is that you know what it is to suffer, and therefore you've somehow been elevated above these three guys? Did you mean for this to come over with the level of pride that it does? Matt Chandler (as mentioned in another post here) has been through the mill and come out the other side. It sounds like you're saying that only people who have been through the kinds of struggles you have been through are authenticated - that's a very dangerous place to put yourself before the Lord.
I once was an angry social justice warrior, then became an angry conservative, and now I feel God gently steering me away from all this. Politics are way too toxic and it instigates fear of the other. It's a relief not to be angry and fearful anymore. I just hope and pray America finds a way out of all the poison.
You make a valid point
Matthew 24:6 "be not alarmed"...the enemy wants us to be afraid, worried, distracted. So if something it stirring that up in you, it's not from God.
We are called to fear not, over and over and over again. God doesn't want us angry, afraid, and distracted from His business.
I applaud you. Politics destroy the witness, too barbaric.
Amen
Yes!!! There is another way. We are not of this world!
So this is just basic Reformed eschatology, amill/postmill/preterist; everything's symbolism that was fulfilled in the first century. Reformed theology is generally awesome if you don't include the train wreck of their eschatology.
It's just utterly ridiculous the way these guys bend over backwards to over symbolize everything. Look you can't read Revelation like it's not connected to the book of Daniel, the Gospels and especially 1 and 2 Thessalonians. Daniel was really specific about what was coming and we've already seen how Christ's first coming was accurate down to the year that Daniel prophesied. Now his second coming and the time of Jacob's trouble is just a bunch of symbolism that was fulfilled in 70 AD with the destruction of the temple? Considering the book wasn't written until the late 80s or even as late as 95 AD... not a chance.
The real elephant in the room that theses Reformed guys totally ignore is 1 and 2 Thess. I mean how they just act like those books don't exist or have any bearing one's interpretation of Revelation is insane. They are two letters that contain ZERO symbolism. None. And they explain very clearly what Christ's return will entail and how we will literally meet him in the cloud just as he left us. Then 2 Thess goes on to explain that that day will not come unless two things happen first, the falling away and the revealing of the Son of Perdition who Jesus himself will destroy by his coming. The church will face Antichrist and the Lord will destroy Antichrist by his coming. None of that is symbolism. None of that happened in the first century.
It's just so crazy to watch these guys ignore what's right in front of their face because they so doggedly want to stick to their systematic theologies.
I really enjoyed this episode and learned a lot! Thanks 🙏
Mute your mics before you whisper to each other :)
Did y’all really just ask a Calvinist if people are meat puppets with no irony or acknowledgment of the obvious jokes there in any way? Tisk, tisk. Always go for the easy joke!
“Evil will always consume itself.
It will turn against itself”
Psalm 34:21
Pray for Canada, our government, please, were in trouble, turning away from god
Amen
We are in big big trouble
You all should try and get Thomas Sowell, Larry Elder or Voddie Baucham.
This ain’t a right wing political podcast
I think race, the environment, justice, violence, drugs etc. are all important things to discuss and try to do better on. But I think it’s time the church and people in general look at whose causing all those issues and making it worse, the government. I’ll admit I’m extremely libertarian, possibly an anarchist(no I don’t believe in violence), but I think we would be better off dismantling institutions completely and not trying to reform everything. Just my two cents. Great show.
Wow! What an incredible discussion. Thank you for sharing this perspective, which is very different than what many Christians believe.
Remnant Radio goin' hard in the paint!
My heart broke a bit when Chandler started to go the woke route ranting about social justice, I have not followed on him but I hope God keeps him in the good path. Nonetheless I love this brother and thank God for him.
What’s wrong with social Justice? Smh 🤦🏾♂️
@@joeyalbert1541 For one thing, "social" justice isn't a thing. It doesn't exist. There is only plain, simple justice, so there's that...
@@sandra2631 Am I surprised that you will say that ? Nope
@@joeyalbert1541 the new social justice or woke religion in this country is nothing but a Marxist scam. Using minorities and grievance groups for political gain and power.
I clearly disagree with his interpretation of Revelation, but I take the good out of the conversation. Is clear that christians need more action, we need to preach the gospel because is much needed. The only way to change the angry liberals and the angry conservatives, is through Christ
Whose definition of "Justice", man's or God's and is there a difference? See, the world doesn't want "biblical justice" they want vengeance which belongs to God alone. Biblical Justice is one of 2 options: 1) God wipes out all sin and all sinners, or 2) A savior is provided to save us from "biblical justice". Any other discussion of "biblical justice" is a man made ideology. The person that wants human justice now, actually needs more protection from God's justice. Not one of us has been wronged by a human more than we have personally wronged God (which is the bad news of the good news gospel). Preach that to those who want "justice" and see what they say.
Lost me from 42:49 How can you compare care for the souls with care for the environment as if they are both Gospel issues, I see he is still in his woke path. Biblical justice? Why does justice needs and adjective. What does he mean by that?
The Old Testament law talks quite a lot about justice, as does Proverbs. I have a feeling he's talking about that when he says "Biblical justice". Although he didn't define what he believes Biblical justice is, and I think a definition from him would've been helpful, at least for me.
It's possible he uses the term "Biblical justice" to differentiate from worldly justice? Just my thoughts
Great to hear a different perspective on Revelation. Sadly, many many churches have submitted to the State, they want to obey the state, love the state and worship the state. We are living in the separating of the wheat from the chaff and is totally God's work.
Submitting to the state is not the same as idolizing the state we should submit to the state when there isn’t a conflict between God and the state
@@matthewmclain461 Idolizing the State is truly the Churches' main sin today. When you would rather obey the State's dictates than Gods you are worshipping the State. Consider this:
Christians are being publicly chastised by Christian authors, in the media, for not obeying the mandates, being publicly called out for allegedly unloving behaviour. Christians are being denied fellowship in their churches, not because of sin, but because they are following their god-given conscience. Christians are being denied jobs or fired from ministry because they are obeying their conscience. These severe punishments are being brought by the very Christians, for whom covid-19 vaccination is an alleged expression of love for their neighbour. Vaccinated Christians have become willing agents of the State to bring pain and suffering to Christians who cannot violate their conscience. Make no mistake, what is happening now is a fundamental rewriting of the popularist mindset of what it means to be a Christian, both inside and outside the church.
@@Tina-Marie-iz8zy do good to those who speak all sorts of evil against you for my name's sake - Jesus. Be patient and kind to those who have been deceived into one mindset or another. He is separating the wheat from the chaff. And in times like these, we can recognize that He is also separating the chaff out of our personal lives, and across the board.
Amen expose the darkness!
Was not expecting him to bring the Idealist interpretation of Revelation. I agree with him, except on Rev12...and principalities and powers.
did Matt say he is writing a book on revelation or just Michael?
Both of them are
He should teach on how the demonic controls churches by making them woke and apologize for the color of their skin
Yup. Exactly what I was thinking. This guy is a major disappointment. Won’t be tuning in.
That the best you got??? lol Perhaps you should ask how the churches to this day still control everybody. lol
@@euthaniser can't reason with crazy on your level, sport. Seek help.
I've been in ministry for 20 years and I can confirm, we don't control anything. If we did, we would all be rich like the sheisters of the prosperity gospel. Where's my private jet, genius?
Block.
The State = Beast System
Chandler doing his best damage control for his CRT debacle.... it sounds close enough like the gospel that it leads immature and new followers to folly.... he's lost the plot like Platt and Todd White..... run from these false teachers and cling to Christ's teaching alone... don't fall captive to their cult of personality and false piety that mistakes knowledge of Scripture with understanding of Scripture....
"The devil can cite Scripture for his purpose.
An evil soul producing holy witness
Is like a villain with a smiling cheek,
A goodly apple rotten at the heart.
O, what a goodly outside falsehood hath!"
William Shakespeare, The Merchant of Venice
Nope
Hmm, different point of view. But something to think about. And keep an eye out in the current time we are living.
Pardon me, Brothers, but why are your mics so hot? Matt's was nowhere near as loud as Josh's and Michael's. I had to turn the youtube volume almost all the way down as I listened in my bed, then turn it up again to hear Matt. I love your podcast, and thank you so much for your good work. God bless you!
Yes, agree with the speaker.
If I understand him correct....
The Beast is much more likely a type of "spiritual institution" that cannot be killed by humans- no matter how pure of mind and soul. Only God can destroy this " Beast". So, I also see the Beast as the " spirit if the age " that creates Beastly institutions with Beastly policies. Ephesians 6 :12 confirms my thinking : not fighting flesh and blood rather principalities and powers in high places. High places, I would consider to be the Ether ( spiritual realm) . Not to say that Fallen Angels did not/does not exist. I think the fallen Angels has been/are controlled/guided by the Beast system/ Beast Spirit of the past and current times. 🥼☠💉Hence the corruption of most Institutions via these evil policies. 💉☠💀🥼
Thank you all, that was really helpful and well-handled. I see this where I am too (in the UK), with people putting their hope in government and being consistently and regularly let down... and yet, they return with a renewed vigour on this when a new party or leader rises and is instituted, only to be be let down again. There's a real pain in the hearts of the people now, because that kind of 'trust' is exhausting. It's an incredible time to get the gospel out there, because people are so lacking in hope, even though they continue to place their hope in these man-made/worldly systems.
Lol, here in Australia; people automatically know we'll be let down. So, people are against the government always. I always feel bad for each PM knowing that; at any moment they're going to get ridiculed for a decision.
I think Dr. Nathan Cartagena (Wheaton College) & Dr. Jeff Liou (Intervarsity Christian Fellowship) have both been doing an excellent job speaking publicly about CRT. I'm sure they'd consider giving interviews!
Read The Coming Prince by Sir Robert Anderson. Read Revelation in concert with Daniel and Matthew 24. . It will come together if one doesn't hurry to allegorize everything.
Yeah, I found this to be WAY too allegorical, I take the Bible literally unless it says differently, and while some of his ‘points’ are valid in life, they aren’t for the book of Revelation, he really seems to be stretching to make things fit! (In my opinion anyway)
@@veronicaspencelocke2003 If Jesus’s first coming came about exactly as prophesied, exactly as written , so will the rapture and Second Coming.
@@meggy8868 💯 Amen to that!! He came right to the day prophesied in Daniel!
@@veronicaspencelocke2003 As I understand it, the 69th week, was fulfilled exactly on Palm Sunday, then the big gap (the time of the Gentiles)and now we are awaiting the 70th week, but we won't be here , PTL
I see lots of Christ like love already in the comments with the “woke” comments. 🙃 ridiculous
If you're looking for historical analogies, isn't the US the closest thing to the Roman Empire that we have today?
So what do we do with this verse:
“Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except by God’s appointment, and the authorities that exist have been instituted by God. So the person who resists such authority resists the ordinance of God, and those who resist will incur judgment”
Romans 13:1-2 NET
The Bible has several examples such as Daniel and the lions den, that we are to follow governments until they go against God. For instance if the Governmet says you can longer assemble together but the book of Hebrews says we are not to forsake assembling together then we go with God and break man's law
Ask yourself- is the government punishing evil and rewarding good?
Would a wife be required to submit to a husband abusing his role?
@@ExodusMinistrySadly, most churches closed down during the "Plandemic" and it was against Scripture and was unconstitutional
Post millennialism.
I don’t agree with Matt because of Joshua 9-13 parallels revelation 6:1-3, and I don’t agree that it’s the anti christ spirit or churches like he suggests in his sermons. I believe that it’s talking about the true churches of Christ, because it’s consistent with revelation 1-4/19:11-16, but I believe the woman is Israel and her children are the churches throughout history that endure. I believe Revelation is talking about Israel in chapters 17-18, and I believe Romans 11 parallels well with revelation 7 and Revelation 14 and honestly when you look at the bottom of revelation 7 it takes care of the whole issue of ”what about the other nations”. I think scripture is pretty clear and we shouldn’t have to over spiritualize the book of revelation.
Ok guys looking for those links to the further discussions on Revelation and also Matt Chandlers discussions?
I think I'm gonna like this.
Great interview as usual, gentlemen. I come to eschatology with a different system than Chandler, but I agree with a lot of what he said and learned some things. He is an excellent brother. Thank you!
Oh, and I don't know nearly as much as Chandler did 20 years ago! He has the knowledge and application. 👍
Imagery and “signified “is the central theme of the book of Revelation
The first chapter is a glossary ie.the church is the lamp stand
Stars are angels/Messengers like you and me or preachers or heavenly
Mountain =Authority
Two witnesses are lamp stand or church
The
Winners are Christ Jesus and the Bride,who are priests and kings who overcome by the blood of Jesus their testimony and loved Christ Jesus MORE than their own life
Matthew chapter 24:29-31
After the great tribulation is the only rapture
Thanks again for your encouragement
Don’t take the jabiru
MOTB
Rapture after tribulation. So God beats up his bride (the Church) and then takes her to the marriage feast?
EXCELLENT! I very greedily want more!
Adults in the room makes me think of elephant room which didn’t age well
But, im not 25. Im hitten my 50th year.
This can also mean hardcore Trumpsters!! They literally worship him.
12 minutes in and I love it already. What was Matt's book called? Is it out now?
The overcomes I believe it's called.
So many verses in the Bible saying to "pray for our leaders".
Amen Brother we should.
But how ?
After all King Ahab needed prayers.
Heres my prayer
Psa 94:12-23 NHEB
12 Blessed is the man whom you discipline, LORD, and teach out of your Law;
13 that you may give him rest from the days of adversity, until the pit is dug for the wicked.
14 For the LORD won’t reject his people, neither will he forsake his inheritance.
15 For judgment will return to righteousness. All the upright in heart shall follow it.
16 Who will rise up for me against the wicked? Who will stand up for me against the evildoers?
17 Unless the LORD had been my help, my soul would have soon lived in silence.
18 When I said, “My foot is slipping.” Your loving kindness, LORD, held me up.
19 In the multitude of my thoughts within me, your comforts delight my soul. 20 Shall the throne of wickedness have fellowship with you, which brings about mischief by statute?
21 They gather themselves together against the soul of the righteous, and condemn the innocent blood.
22 But the LORD has been my high tower, my God, the rock of my refuge.
23 He has brought on them their own iniquity, and will cut them off in their own wickedness. The LORD, our God, will cut them off.
It doesn’t say pray for the success of our leaders or for the perpetuation of our nation.
What types of prayers does the Bible say we should offer up on behalf of our leaders?
Many people like to fill in the blank if they are too lazy to search for God’s direction in His word or when He doesn’t give explicit information on a particular matter.
@@Failur3i5n0tan0pt1on the Bible says to pray for our leaders let the Holy Spirit give you the right words... Jesus died for our world leaders and loves them as much as He loves us
@@rokitman5753
That’s not how it works. You’re making things up just as I said people have the tendency to do. Thanks for proving my point.
The Bible also says love your enemies and pray for those PERSECUTING Christ’s true followers. (MATTHEW 5:44) Praying for people in no way suggests they deserve or have God’s favor. Jesus taught that government officials/agents would be the PRIMARY PERSECUTORS of his true followers. (MATTHEW 10:17-18; MARK 13:9; LUKE 21:12-13)
We are given a reason as to why Christ’s followers should offer prayers and supplication for government leaders. It is for the purpose that Christ’s true followers go on living a quiet and peaceful life with all godly devotion and holiness.
1 TIMOTHY 2:1-2
I urge, then, first of all, that petitions, prayers, intercession and thanksgiving be made for all people-
1Ti 2:2 - for kings and all those in authority, that we may live peaceful and quiet lives in all godliness and holiness.
It’s not for the support of their positions nor in allegiance with their nation. It’s purpose is for Christ’s followers not to be harassed, oppressed, or persecuted if at all possible.
What? You guys don’t like dispensationalist?
Great presentation. One of the best on the book of Revelation.
Chandler kinda sounding postmil with this government political talk… just step into Matt. Look to the partial-preterits Postmil view and we can be on board brother 😉
At minute 47 he said there is no grace for that. That’s not true Matt. There are people, Christians, that do give you grace for that. And I would say because, any preacher or teacher can look back at a sermon or lesson they preached 5, 10, 15 years ago and would probably want grace for what they said at times. So for what it’s worth, there are some that still give grace, so be encouraged brother.
Good talk
Really disappointed by this one. Not that I disagree with everything Matt says about government, culture and evil, but I couldn't follow how he got these conclusions from Revelation. I think he said it all when he said he was coming from a Western perspective.
In the Revelation series the Village Church did, I was very surprised by the interpretations. It was interesting to hear! Thanks for hosting this and asking the questions I also had. But I have to agree, it was disappointing.
City of God and the City of Man. Good stuff guys!
Would love to talk to you guys about introducing a standard liberal theology anthology of essays into the conservative theological conversation. Voices from the Margins: Interpreting the Bible in the Third World (ed.) R.S. Sugirtharajah.
If you're looking for a grown-up to have a conversation with regarding the topics you mentioned at about 44 minutes in, could I please recommend Dr Preston Sprinkle? He's really good on all of those topics, very gentle, respectful, and he's totally on board with understanding the evil spiritual forces behind cultural and political movements in the kingdoms of this world. As an Anabaptist I'd love to see somebody who agrees with us on nonviolence have a seat at the table in this conversation.
It would also be Cool to have Tim Mackie back on to talk about this stuff.
@@joshuas1834 we are filming him on 11/29
One question I just thought of for Pastor Matt is: in Revelation 6, when it talks about the 4th seal, the pale horse and how it kills a fourth (1/4) of the people on earth (vs 7-8) - how is this interpreted? Would this be jn reference to events that have already happened? Or future events, not yet fulfilled? I'm open to hearing any of your thoughts (Matt, Josh or Michael).
This, and all the judgments in Revelation, happen during the seven year tribulation period.
@@sandra2631 I'm trying to understand this other view of revelation. Hence, my question. I'd like to know more.
So much good and challenging content here. Any comment I make is simply going to fail to sufficiently engage with what was discussed. But, I can say that even though I disagree with Chandler's position on eschatology as a futurist, I feel like so much of what he said here can be, in principle, positively applied to almost any eschatological position.
As far as content goes, where I found the most agreement was in his recognition of the government's role in "the Beast system". My own study of Revelation has had the most impact on my life in terms of evoking joy and true contentment with the Kingdom of God. I used to be very involved in politics and struggled with depression, anger, and discontentment. Since I stopped looking to the government, I am walking in the joy of the Spirit, I don't hate my "enemies", and I'm content knowing the providence and provision of God. So, unsurprisingly, where I think I found the most disagreement was in Chandler's view that Christians should still put *some* (not all, but some) hope in the beast system for advancing the Kingdom of God. I understand where he's coming from because there are questions that arise about Christians who hold public office. And I don't blame him for wanting to speak to these kinds of issues with some nuance in order to avoid extremes, but I'm mindful that Scripture's command to Christians is "come out of her my people so that you don't share in her sins and partake of her plagues".
Regardless of where one falls on these questions, this interview is a contribution to the subject of Revelation (which is a rare achievement these days)! Well done!
CRT is not mainly a white evangelical issue Chandler. It's an issue for all Christians and critized by all races and Biblical justice can not include social justice.
We should not deal with worldly issues with worldly solutions. Worldly problems require kingdom solutions (from the church!) The gospel is the same. The commands are the same. Love the Lord your God, love your neighbor and do good, pray for your enemies. Feed the poor. Share Jesus. Pray.
Crt is only criticized by right wingers
Wow, this was NOT good. I had high hopes, but he treated Revelation more like a novel open to malleable interpretation than writings interpreted clearly by the Scriptures themselves. His intellectual opining lacked firm Scriptural and historical support. Videos by Walter Veith offer far more solid support for interpreting Revelation and the beast. Also, in Revelation the beast is a singular entity, not Nazis, Rome, and innumerable other powers since the beginning of time.
I grew up in a Hispanic pentecostal church and I'm still pentecostal. most of what was said in this video I know since a child but today it seems like most Hispanic pentecostal churches don't talk about it. It's very refreshing to hear this again now that I'm older.
*Interview with woke "pastor" chandler*
Certainly not, if Chandler was "woke" he would be spouting Critical Race Theory how LGBT, Muslims, and Women are all oppressed. He talks about racism. Do you deny racism? If so, are you in the United States? Chandler is primarily speaking to the US audience.
@@wilsonw.t.6878 He absolutely is woke.
@@wilsonw.t.6878 ^ *L*
@@wilsonw.t.6878 I absolutely agree that racism is a problem in the US. Racism towards white people is on the rise!
Dylan. You obviously don’t understand what woke ideology is, and name 1 statement in this podcast that your accusing Matt of being woke for.
Hello my name is raquel. Im thirty four. I live in deep south texas and things can get crazy out here and ppl sometimes agree with the insanity and its crazy. Ive always liked about pastor matt that he doesnt sound so crazy. Sometimes i wish he was my friend. Lol. Bye have a nice day.
The thing that occurs to me listening to Matt Chandler talking about how this is our time to stay strong and move the church forward is that Matt Chandler's theology is divine determinism so he's there advocating that we do things that either God will decree us to do or not. Our thoughts, emotions, plans, ideas, etc have nothing to do with it. God decrees whatsoever He wills to come to pass for his own good pleasure, right? Chandler comes across as extremely hypocritical. If you believe in Calvin, then believe in Calvin. Don't preach sermons about the doctrines of grace and then live your life as a libertarian. Be consistent.
Who trying kill me
I feel like it's because we then seek conservatism after we are exhausted 😩 from these "risings" ... so that's why we can't really defeat it bc we can only handle like 3.5 years before we all realize what we voted for
Can he define biblical justice ? That’s important to know his world view
It's so weird to hear white evangelicals and/or charismatics in particular speak on "wokeness."
This is an awesome interpretation of Revelation! You guys should have Terry Wolfe on the show. His understanding of the book is AMAZING!! Very different than anything I’ve ever heard. His book where he goes into detail is called “Maybe We’re All Wrong”.
I really liked this right up until he repeatedly uses the phrase “biblical justice” without defining it. That sounds good but it would be important to actually articulate what that means.
Because it was the rise of Marxism in the American church in the early and mid 20th century that coopted that term to mean exactly the “dragon” system outlined earlier. If you keep using the term without defining it, you only promote confusion and division.
I go to an Acts 29 church so was great to hear Chandler’s perspective on Revelation and the powers. The dragon-manipulated political and religious institutions, and what that looks like - seeking hope, security, and salvation in something other than God.
Oooooh, this episode is gonna be LIT! 🔥 🔥 🔥
@@JayEhm1517 that’s a ridiculous, evil, unChrist like thing to say about a brother. You should be ashamed to say such things
@@JayEhm1517 why is he an heretic?
@@JayEhm1517 I think you were joking, right ?
The insights into the symbolism of Revelation were the best I've heard. It's so confusing when I've heard people talk about whether something symbolises Nero...or China...etc , but to see it as general tendencies is far more useful. Thanks very much.
I don't think his interpretation of Revelation is correct, but it was an interesting conversation.
Kinda like They Live.
👍🙌
Spacex Dragon just went up
the evil trinity is revelationary.
Woo Hoo! Matt Chandler.Good to see him reigning in the excesses of runaway interpretation so popular these days.Well done Matt and the Remnant Radio for having him on!
2nd time listening its very good
Oof...
Mr. Woke believes in showing favoritism.
Lolol wtf kind of weird youtube rabbit hole did I fall down, holy shit.
Romans 13 does NOT say government is good and restrains evil. You really think the governments of Venezuela, North Korea, Iran, and Afghanistan are good and restraining evil?? 🙄
Verse 4 assumes a good and (fairly) moral government, like that which was found in the United States until the early 20th century.
Praying for you
Remember when the people wanted a king...
So I have to say I've been convicted that my first comment ever to Remnant Radio has been to express my disappointment. The reality is I've been so blessed by your ministry! I'm Pentecostal AOG and love our cooperative fellowship and believe in our 16 Fundamentals of Faith, but I'm hungry for thoughtful biblical teachings, especially that align with the gifts of the spirit. I would like to know how Pastor Matt came to those conclusions. Maybe you could do a follow up teaching some time.
See previous Remnant interviews with him. They have discussed it.
I think Matt is right on this one. Revelation 13 seems cyclic. There is always evil governments and evil religion that rise up and put down. Revelation shows that evil Judaism and Rome were judged and destroyed.
Well, since God determines all things according to him, this really has no import because God is the ultimate cause of evil anyway.
And yes, what I’m saying is relevant because of his inconsistencies with his fundamental deterministic framework. You can’t have it both ways and be relevant, all you compatabilists.
I get it that people like Matt and other "pastors" of churches are very smart "book" people and God loves those people. At the same time, people like Matt, and Joshua Lewis and Michael Rowntree have never been tested. You have never feed the homeless only to have God tell you, "I'm going to make you homeless too". You have a wife. You have children. You have a family. God has blessed your career! Just saying. You call that tested? A bad day to you is, traffic was bad today!
I remember when Jehovah told me that He was going to take me thru a Job like experience and that I would lose my family, career and everything. At the time, I was feeding the homeless and ministering to hispanic children in the North side of Fort Worth where Mexican Gangs thrive. God put me there and I did it for free!!!. And my reward was God telling me, "I'm going to take you thru a Job Experience". Could Rowntree, Josh Lewis or even this Matt Chandler relate? No!!! No way. You have no idea what it is like to be tested and that is the truth. Writing from Peru!
But what do you know of their suffering? I believe that they would serve Christ unto death, just as we will.
Dude! Matt had brain cancer for years! Never been tested? Wow!
This is a pretty astonishing post - so, what you're saying is that you know what it is to suffer, and therefore you've somehow been elevated above these three guys? Did you mean for this to come over with the level of pride that it does? Matt Chandler (as mentioned in another post here) has been through the mill and come out the other side. It sounds like you're saying that only people who have been through the kinds of struggles you have been through are authenticated - that's a very dangerous place to put yourself before the Lord.
@@slawsonscot what’s funny is that Chandler would validate some of what this dude believes (the dude writing from Peru)
You are in error, the bugs will have breast plates and tails like scorpios that will torment men for months
@Private Citizen that is exactly how I picture it when I use the word!