The Art of Editing and Suicide Squad
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- Clickbait title: This AWFUL EDITING Will Restore Your Faith in Humanity
Suicide Squad's construction is bad in a way that's legitimately unsettling for a movie of this scope and budget. There's serious concerns about what Warner Brothers is up to with how the DC films are being handled in general that makes you wonder if they aren't going to implode entirely.
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16:45 ... That's just unprofessional. I mean that literally. No one who gets paid should put black text on a dark background like that. How the fuck did that happen?
Kind of stuff that any fresh-out-of-the-college visual designer would say "yup, that's no bueno". It's funny that the text even got a subtle drop shadow - that's usually meant to create some isolation for the typography from the background - but since the text itself is dark... it does nothing.
Everson Bernardes this is the kind of thing that a 14 year old posting memes on Reddit knows. The fact that it happened in a professional film with a 9 figure budget is staggering.
The first thing I think of when putting text on any image, or video, is if it is readable. Thats conern number one, and will spend 30 minutes just trying to find the most readable combination. Its a small, but important thing.
Even a simple color inversion filter would have worked, so it would have been dark at first over the light background, then light colored once it hit the trees.It would have been lazy and stupid, but it would have been better than what they did.
lol even I know not to do that... and I'm on Windows Movie Maker... I'll at least try to outline it so it's more distinguishable.
when they introduce Katana, the delivery on those lines are so bad i almost expected him to say at some point "Katana means japanese sword"
Samurai Cop is a masterpiece
"I would advice not getting killed by her" is also pretty Samurai Cop
I still don't know what "Her sword traps the souls of its victims" even MEANS. Like... dead is dead, yeah? Would a regular sword not be just as good at removing your soul from your body? Or did nobody trap Slipknot's soul so he can come back eventually? Does he just have to talk to the Spirit Healer or make his way back to his corpse?
@@The5lacker Definitely not enough time for each of the "fairly well-known criminals" to contemplate the fact that the existence of her character means there IS an afterlife in their universe, which means a possibility of eternal reward/punishment based on their actions, and whether or not being trapped in a badass sword might be worse than...something else.
Yeah, let's not dwell on that.
The way he said he’d advise not getting killed by her because her sword traps the swords of his victims, kinda implies that he’d advise getting killed by someone with a normal sword.
I cried when the guy who climbs things died.
He was the best in climbing indeed.
Slipknot died for our sins.
ihe
He climbed into all of our hearts.
I guess he couldn't climb away from death
I genuinely appreciate the fact that people still insist on referring to the 2015 Fantastic 4 as "Fant 4 Stic."
It is the best thing about the movie
@@scottsbarbarossalogic3665 honestly.
It just came to the Disney Channel this month, and my mom was like, “Oh! Fantastic Four! There’s a new movie. Is it any good?” So, I looked and there was the Fant 4 Stic avatar logo for the movie and replied, “Nope. It’s bad. It’s Fant 4 Stic, not the Fantastic Four.”
I guess Fox acquisitions are finally being migrated to Disney. But, man, what a bad first migration choice.
@@Aiijuin kinda weird they even have it on there considering the scene where Doctor Doom blows up peoples heads and you see the blood splatter in their suits.
Let’s be honest, Who is actually still talking about it tho?
Suicide Squad is a masterpiece of bad cinema. If you want to find almost every conceivable problem a big budget Hollywood blockbuster could have, watch this fucking thing.
Of bad AAA cinema.
dunnowy123 the acting isn't bad
sigh824 ...really, really, bad.
sigh824
I disagree, man. Margot Robbie was really off with her accent and mannerisms, it just felt forced to me. Killer Croc guy was laughable, Flag was bleh. I'll say Will Smith is charming as ever and I actually surprisingly liked Jai Courtney as Captain Boomerang a lot.
dunnowy123 Yeah I mean it's not Oscar worthy, but Courtney and Smith, in addition to Viola Davis and Hernandez, and the chemistry between Robbie and Smith? It just wasn't bad considering almost everything else.
It's all about subverting expectations. For example, most of the audience probably expected a competently made film.
🤣
More clarity comes with what we know now: Enchantress's brother was originally Steppenwolf, leading off from _Batman v Superman,_ while Steppenwolf in _Justice League_ was planned to be Darkseid, leading off from _Suicide Squad._ Waller was in Midway City for some reason bridging the other two movies. Dan's probably right, the original _Suicide Squad_ probably wasn't a very good movie, especially if it was an overly long bridge plot between other movies. But as Dan points out in a later video, the reason Waller and Incubus's stories seem to go from nowhere to nowhere is because they got all the way to _CG-animating Steppenwolf in post-production_ before they added Incubus to the movie.
"You expected a good movie? Ha! Joke's on you!"
Basically, a forced "Gotcha!" moment.
It's an early Rian Johnson film.
Should have done Slipnot's title card right after he blew up. Somebody hire me.
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That would have been great
Haha, that would seriously get a good laugh out of me.
@Ironclad tortilla chips gruesome. I love it
@Ironclad tortilla chips Used.
My favourite part of the film is that they introduce Deadshot as the most amazing long distance sniper in (one of) his introductions, and then he spends the rest of the film mowing down enemies from up close with machine guns.
This!!!!!! This bothers me to this fucking dayyyyy why did he not get a sniper at basically any point??
yet another thing that coulda been improved with a couple of lines of dialogue. say something about how only he could get headshots with a notoriously inaccurate spray-n-pray gun. or even just have him complain that he isnt being equipped with his specialty weapon.
I think something that could have been neat with the Unicorn is he, in a panic, checks what was stabbed. Seeing its the money, he tosses it aside like it's a day old diaper and checks his coat in a panic in order to see a completely unharmed unicorn, in which he'd give a very; almost out of character; comedically childish enthusiastic response at the unharmed unicorn.
That's the same thing that crossed my mind when I watched that scene! Why they didn't do this is a mystery
Exactly the same thought here. It would be a good payoff that subverts the expectation.
My mind jumps to a subversion like Boomarang is stabbed, the audience thinks the unicorn saved him, but the knife punctured through and he's actually badly wounded.
Though I guess that same set-up and payoff were used in Kiss Kiss Bang Bang with the detective novel, so it's not the most original idea.
I like that idea Travis Wolf and I'd like to combine it with Quote's.
He gets stabbed, checks, realises he's badly wounded, roots around for the unicorn, realises it's fine but covered with his blood and gets angry and goes apeshit at the thing for messing up his unicorn more than wounding him.
The audience would be like "dang! he must really love his pink unicorns!"
This is exactly that I was thinking!!
25:30 It really is too bad Slipknot never got a flashy intro with “The Climb” by Miley Cyrus playing in the background.
Jeez...That would be truly awful.
So i guess it would fit in quite well here.
Or perhaps Higher Ground by Red Hot Chilli Peppers
@@davtash69 True, but awful in a way that would imply that the crew is aware of how awful it is.
Or just a slipknot song ?
@@anishsawan6496 A Slipknot remix of the Miley Cyrus song
I also would like to add somethin that I noticed while rewatching. Deadshot several times speaks about their entire operation like it's some horrible suicide mission, where they are barely making it out alive. Like, in a scene with Waller reveal he says "This dude better cure cancer after all that shit".
But it never looks like they are having trouble. They dispatch all of Enchantresses goons with ease. No one ever gets hurt or injured (Boomerang gets stabbed once, but who cares about him). The movie never really shows that these characters are in any kind of danger. So, it's always really weird when Deadshot talks about how hard this mission is, and "when will at all end, Flag?". Makes Deadshot seem lazy, to be honest
And with an army backing them up too.
yeah, and they're a waste too. You could actually give them some character traits and make a good narrative contrast between them and the Squad. And maybe start killing them during the movie, to make an illusion of rising stakes.
But no, they really don't do anything narratively except for blowing up the bomb at the end. Why are they even there in the first place?
Gotham's Finest I still don't think there are any scenes where the Squad members are in any danger. Even if cut, the effects of it should've been visible on characters.
Gotham's Finest well, that's pretty much the problem of action scenes in general in this film. They're all pointless filler. All enemies are faceless zombies, and no main character dies or gets injured, and their characters dont progress in any way. In a good action movie an action scene is a result of good conflict buildup and has narrative purpose beyond "it's an action movie, so we need to see some action".
And no, we still need to see the Squad being in danger, even if we know that they're still humans. Deadshot in particular is supernaturally good at shooting, so we need to establish that he is not invincible in some way. We need to see that stuff, we can't just assume the danger there
You forgot everyone's favorite character Diablo!
"This is 'Slipknot' the man who can climb anything. And this is his brother 'Mountain Goat' the man who can untie anything. They were captured by 'Batman' they guy who who dresses up as a spider and does whatever a spider can."
Yeah... this movie is dumb
You will be unsurprised to know that in the comic books (which I assure you are much better than the movie) Slipknot indeed uses a rope and not a grappling hook, and uses it to tie people up and lasso stuff.
i really thought this movie could've been cool then it just wasn't
Ayer’s Cut had info on Slipknot being a serial rapist and murderer.
This comment genuinely made me lol. I now want Mountain Goat to be a real fictional character
some of the shittiest youtube video makers are smart enough not to put black text on dark background...
and people who are payed professionals did it!??!!?
Shadeofblack1199 they could have just put the text in the top right
Algernon Kong He's not paid to make a comment with perfect grammar, so what's your point?
Scizor For Hire
His point is the irony in the fact that even a turd who can't spell, knows what professionals did terribly wrong with SS...
So if he knows it... How the fuck did the makers of this film not know this...
Shadeofblack1199
You learn it in primary school powerpoints too.
The Unicorn/Money change could've been absolutely hilarious if he was visibly worried after taking the stab, but then he pulls out the knife stuck in the money and breathes a sigh of relief, then pulls out the unicorn and hugs it.
Omg yesss
Seriously, how easy is that? The writers are such hacks
And then he says something like, "I thought I lost you, Mr. Snuffles! Don't scare me like that again!"
Yeah.
They had one job.
ONE. JOB.
It's not rocket science.
@@halfmettlealchemist8076 you ruined it.
Whenever anybody says "suicide squad" i have to physically restrain myself from immediately THIS IS KATANA. SHE'S GOT MY BACK. SHE COULD CUT ALL Y'ALL JUST LIKE MOWIN' THE LAWN. I WOULD ADVISE NOT GETTIN' KILLED BY HER; HER SWORD STEALS THE SOULS OF ITS VICTIMS.
You know what I’m the same way
Does anyone think the sequel will ever wipe away the association?
I want this on a poster
@@vincegalila7211 Most people definitely think more about "The Suicide Squad" when you mention any suicide squad at this point. Especially as James Gunn takes over film DC.
See I still have a hard time hearing "suicide squad", including in the context of these movies, without thinking of Eric Idle shouting in a silly accent, "we are the Judean People's Front crack suicide squad! Suicide squad, attack!" before he and several other people "martyr" themselves on their own swords. "That showed 'em."
Every time I hear Katana's introduction speech, I'm overcome with the urge to have the whole thing tattooed on my body
omg please do it
I was thinking of making some fancy art piece and having it framed. Similar concept in terms of permanence.
@@hawktalon7890 I fully endorse this
@@hawktalon7890 If you were to put the print up for sale, I would buy it!
A typography art poster
R.I.P Slipknot
You could climb everything but couldn't climb into our hearts
😂😂
He's climbing the ladder to heaven now
@Mother Hen the greek sisyphus, in tartarus.
Not to mention they totally missed out on the chance to play a fucking Slipknot song when the character is introduced. A song like People=Shit or even Vermilion would have worked perfectly
LMAO
How bad was the editing? How forgettable was the movie?
It's been 4 years and I've *_just_* been made aware of the fact that Diabolo didn't make it in the end.
I just forgot that Slipknot was there
Same, and he was like my favourite character in the movie. I know it’s not fair to compare this film to Arcane, because it’s a very good show, and this is a very bad movie……but like, I remember every single character death in Arcane, even the minor ones, because they all absolutely _devastated_ me.
This movie couldn’t even make me remember when it killed its most interesting character.
@@TheArtunism knowing this film I’m surprised they didn’t have duality play during his intro
Oh yeah, huh? Thank you for that I just now realized you're right...no mention of him dying in the film...no scene showing his sacrifice...wow..all that backstory built up to nothing..
Whoa, dude. Spoilers
I really feel like the pop music gimmick was just a shameless and lazy attempt to be Guardians of the Galaxy. That I feel is one of many things holding this movie back from being even remotely decent. They tried too hard to be Guardians of the Galaxy, instead of forging their own identity.
Tried so hard DC ended up hiring James Gunn Lmao
@@saulothebebop2581 How ironic
@@jakelee7083 but Guardians successfully pulled off the whole mainstream music being in the soundtrack?? GoTG has a storyline where the music is a reflection of Quill's connection with his parents and in the first movie the music is upbeat and happy reflecting the relationship he has with the team and memories of his mother and in the second the music is a reflection of how his past makes his current relationships strained and how his relationship with his father is not what he expected from his mother's stories about him and how some of the music has more negative lyrics with upbeat instrumentals. Its actually pretty great use of soundtrack.
jojomilles That’s exactly what he’s saying - SS tried to do the same thing that worked so well for GotG and they completely farked it up. He’s saying that GotG did it right, SS did it wrong. SS tried too hard to be GotG and just became ridiculously annoying. Her heart’s out, we can end this.
DC also used a cover of a Beetles song for a trailer for Justice League, which seems to lend further evidence to this theory.
the toy unicorn subversion was legitimately SO bizarre. like imagine if mickey mouse pulled out a rope, mentioned "it's a surprise tool that'll help us later", came across an unscalable cliff and then just found a grappling hook and never used the rope
Then it would actually be pretty funny.
@Goose Gas honestly agreed, they could even have him pull it out and completely dismiss it as useless while a character stands there confused but not mentioning it out loud just to tip the hat to the audience that it's a joke and not an error.
The money was inside the unicorn…
😂😂😂
@@diggysoze2897 No it wasn't.
Was anyone else bothered by the fact that Harley acted like they were a close family, but they barely spent time with each other. They were a group of manipulated prisoner who were thrown together, they shouldn't and didn't connect enough emotionally for her to act like that at the end.
It wasn't just Harley who said shit like that which is the worst part. El Diablo literally said something along the lines of 'I'm not losing another family' in reference to the squad. I actually ended up tilting my head to the side and giving my family the look of 'did they actually just say/do that?' Same exact reaction to Katana's """Introduction""" scene. Oh, wait, let me correct myself. *Ahem* KAAAAAHHTTAANAAH
Psychology student here. When you are in a stressful/dangerous situation you bond to people faster, because it aids your survival, we are social animals so we like to be in groups when in danger.
AngelinBlack
That's true and I completely agree, but did it not at all feel forcefully shoehorned in there? There was no real... build up to it. There was no real 'protectiveness' for one another in the group and when Harley/El Diablo said that stuff it was just UGH.
+AngelinBlack I absolutely agree with you, which is why it was frustrating and confusing for me because the movie did not convey those emotions and rather, tacked them on at the end.
+Kimmy W
I agree! I did not believe that it was sincere, after all, Harley Quinn had no problem leaving her "friends" behind to run off with the Joker and that happened not long before that, didn't it? And all of a sudden they are her friends!?? Yeah, right!! lol
El Diablo's line ("I lost one family already, I'm not losing another one" or something along those lines) was even worse! I watched this movie with my 15 year old and even he didn't buy it!
So, the script was crap, and instead of fixing it, the director tried to shoot his way out, and got nothing fixable in editing. So they got worse editors, who couldn't fix it. So then, they combined the bad edit with the worse edit, and probably lost some continuity in the process. Then, the audience showed up to see the Joker, who wasn't really there.
What could go wrong?
Yeah, they were screwed the moment they gave someone six weeks to write a script.
Drives me nuts: Like, one person writing a script is probably the cheapest part of production. Spent a little time getting a script, you'll save boatloads down the line.
"What could go wrong?"
- 'fans' actually showed up and it made A LOT of money! Many fans LOVED and defended it and proved to the studio heads that crap like this can still make money because stan fans are loyal AF regardless of quality... oh and it won an OSCAR...
@@anamusementinprogress sadly.
A lot of the problems came from Warner Brothers. When David Ayer was hired, they already had a release date in August 2016. As mentioned, Ayer only had 6 weeks to write the script. Scripts usually go through multiple drafts before shooting begins. Then after BvS came out in April 2016 and was criticized for its depressing tone, WB demanded reshoots and re-editing to make it more comedic. They also refused to push the film back, just like with Justice League. So don't blame Ayer, blame Warner Brothers.
I blame studio meddling. Watch the original comic con trailer to get an idea of what the director was going for.
The dialog in this movie feels like the 'flavor dialog' you get in games, when your team is walking trough an environment and comments on it. It does not advance the plot and only if done well does it let you get to know your characters.
That's an astute observation - they have that neutral dialogue in games that is meant to be character building but has to be completely stand-alone. It works in a free roaming game quite naturally as you spend hours with each character, but it's very poor writing in an encapsulated linear narrative like film.
lartrak exactly, this 'flavor dialogue' works well in; the witcher, mass effect, gears of war 2&3 or fallout 3. But in GOW 1, final fantasy 15 and fallout 4 it felt like the same few hollow and pointless lines repeated over and over, like his example about suicide squad with the witches heart, same shit repeated. I loved the games I mentioned but it was just the worst in flavor dialogue, it's just there to fill time between action set pieces rather than contribute in a meaningful way!!
Like one big cut-scene huh?
James Third damn this is so true
Mah Nigga. Another good comment.
“THIS IS KATANA. SHE’S GOT MY BACK!”
Probably a shitty fighter.
“SHE COULD CUT THROUGH ALL OF YOU LIKE MOWING THE LAWN.”
Ooh. Well, I think I’ll get killed by her!
“I WOULD ADVISE NOT GETTING KILLED BY HER.”
Ah, nuts. Well at least my soul would then be at rest.
“HER SWORD TRAPS THE SOULS OF ITS VICTIMS.”
DAMMIT THE TWISTS AND TURNS!
@@mccoy2294 We've been waiting for it for almost five years.
Good to see that SOMEONE gets it
"SHE PEES STANDING UP."
Wait...what?
"DURING SEX SHE WEARS A STRAP-ON AND TAKES CHARGE OF ALL OF HER LOVERS!"
Dude, TMI!!
"SHE WEARS BLACK ON THE OUTSIDE BECAUSE BLACK IS THE WAY SHE FEELS ON THE INSIDE!"
.....okay, now you arent even trying.
it's like me at 5 years old, explaining how cool my imaginary friend is to my parents
Just rewatching this for funsies, and JESUS that entire section is atrocious in every regard; the lines suck, the delivery sucks, the pacing of each lines sucks...so it's pretty accurate to the movie overall. D:
I suspect that the unicorn actually was filled with cash, but they forgot to establish it.
And the unicorn evaporated when the knife hit it? :D
@@sigmacademy well yeah; it did last fight, or that other one... but that doesn't excuse wasting so much screentime& space teasing that the unicorn would somehow matter to the plot.
Would've been funnier and cuter if he had started to panic when he saw the money, panicking as he realizes he doesn't know where Mr Hooves is
That would've been brilliant!
@@sigmacademy So you're saying they edited it so badly that we have to fill in the blanks ourselves? Right, yeah I agree.
When he first started criticizing that DC opening transition I was thinking, hey that looked pretty cool. What's wrong with that? Then he is like you have all the stuff happening while trying to read this text and I was like, what text. Then I see it and am trying to read it and it gets over the ground and them I'm like.... Oh I get now that was terrible.
Lol I'm a fast reader and enjoyed the color contrast
Right? I was too busy looking at that large tower and white balls.
RGB OK i think we know who was horny watching that part (lolll jk)
At what point?
Eli V okay...?
Let's not even mention how the movie makes an even bigger joke out of Katana by inter-cutting her half-paragraph of tragic emotional backstory with a gag! And after the "laugh" it cuts right back to Katana crying! Are we supposed to laugh or are we supposed to feel sorry for her?? The edits made the tone of some shots really confusing.
So... we're supposed to laugh at the exact same time one of our characters' tragic backstories is being told and she is crying? We, as the audience, are literally supposed to be laughing at the exact same time one of our characters is thinking about her dead husband? Seems legit.
I disagree. Just because it wasn't funny doesn't mean it wasn't supposed to be joke.
If it was supposed to be a character thing, then Harley wouldn't have responded. There should have been dead, "that's not appropriate" space but instead they decided to put in Harley responding to the term "crazy." There was a set up and a punch line. Classic "joke."
Gotham's Finest I do watch a lot of those but the people dying in those, cracking jokes are typically faceless goons. I didn't hear any jokes when Quicksilver died, nor the main cast of Rogue One, nor Han Solo. Not even with Superman's death. If they want us to care about their main characters, they shouldn't insert inane jokes that have nothing to do with what's actually being said sloppily in while that character is crying and going through emotional pain.
Also, please do not try to make assumptions on my viewing habits simply because you didn't know how to respond to my valid point.
I believe Hayley was saying that there should have been a pause to let the tragedy of the moment sink in so the audience feels some sympathy/connection to Katana. Without that connection, there's not really a reason she should be there. She didn't really do anything in the movie anyway. Her swords steal no souls except in that brief flashback.
I'm pretty sure Hayley put "that's not appropriate" in quotes to describe the type/tone of the pause she would have liked to see, not a line that she thought someone needed to say.
I see what you're saying in that the Squad only care about themselves so they wouldn't care that Katana had an emotional backstory, but I feel there would have been a better way to present that. Because a better writer would be able to write a scene in a way that the audience remains sympathetic to a character even if other characters in the story do not. I think it was a case of trying to squeeze too much in one movie. The characters are introduced like 3 times, but we don't feel invested in them because we're mostly told what their past is and how we should feel about it rather than shown. Yes, there are flashbacks, but for a character's developmental and empathetic arc to be truly felt by audiences, we have to see it unfold steadily over the course of the film.
Harley could have just as easily not said anything, pretended like she wasn't listening to the story, changed the subject, or just rolled her eyes. And the editor could have cut the scene so that Flagg tells us that her husband is in the sword and then go directly to Katana crying, then wait a beat, maybe even show some of the more sympathetic characters like Diablo or Deadshot reacting, and then move on.
They should just have introduced everyone like they did Slipknot.
"This is Deadshot, the hitman who can shoot good."
"Here's captain boomerang, you can guess what he does by his name."
"Harley Quinn, you know who she is"
"There's Diablo, we don't need to explain what he does."
"Crocadile man"
I mean, it's not like any real meaningful characterization happened anyway
But do they have your back
What is Crocodile Man about? I MUST KNOW!
That's what they said in the Trailer.
I thought you meant just kill them off right off the bat
I have no idea why they added Katana, I like her in the comics quite a bit but she had no point to be in the movie like alot of the cast but there was really no reason for her to be around its insane the actress spent two months learning how to wield the sword correctly for nothing.
I do not even know if she is a criminal forced to work for them. I mean she did not get the introduction. But if Waller could just recruit special people, why does she bother with the Suicide Squad?
SkyExplosion Merchandise. She looks cool.
For nothing? I reckon she's getting a lot of royalties for selling her body as action figurine as well as her salary
Also it's badass to know how to use it, at least it is to me.
You say 'for nothing', but she could at LEAST use it on the people who _made_ this film.
But wait. Was her heart out? Can they end this? I think it could have been explained a bit more.
LOL
i'll admit that did make me snort in laughter :)
Not a single actual answer 2 years later, just a bunch of trolls. Come on guys this is really confusing me :(
That shot and the one with offscreen "she bolted" clearly signifies to me they just didn't have the shots that any sane person would have put in there...
"Did her heart get ripped out? ... Y'know, it was really unclear."
Whats weird is, Killer Croc could've been WAY more terrifying. He is hugely under-utilized in the movie. In the game "Arkham Asylum", he's MASSIVE, he's ferocious, he sounds and acts like an actual beast who wants to EAT Batman! Like....eat his bones! D:<
But for Suicide Squad? Eh, just make him a scaley reptile guy in a hoodie that says "Bruh" :/
AstraVex agree 100%
AstraVex Yeah, Dan described him best. “He’s a linebacker with a skin condition”.
I don't even know why his Design was good enough to win an Academy award for Best Make Up.
Wow that Katana intro speech is next level. You can hear Rick Flag’s enthusiasm decreasing as he says it. When he finally gets to “her sword traps the souls of its victims” he sounds like a deflated bouncy-house.
At 20:44 you can actually see Will Smith mentally re-counting his money
Katana is such a weird name, a character named after it's own weapon
Imagine a character named Gun
Well there's plenty of guns named after people so maybe if she'd invented the sword...
@@Feasco "This is Katana. Her sword traps the souls of its victims. Also she personally invented it. Yes, she's at least a thousand years old and has a very long and interesting backstory none of you will ever hear of. But the IMPORTANT point is that when AND ONLY WHEN the Enchantress's HEART is OUT can we END THIS. Got it?"
@@Patrick-Phelan They got T
or a character named Scar
How about a character named flag?
A video that talks about editing AND trashes Suicide Squad AND praises 10 Cloverfield Lane? That's my cup of tea.
Same here HoustonProductions 1
HoustonProductions1 Cloverfield lane is such a tight film.
10 Cloverfield Lane was amazing.
Cloverfield Lane was just a kiddie PG-13 version of The Divide.
THIS-IS-KATANA-SHE'S-GOT-MY-BACK.I'D-ADVISE-YOU-NOT-GETTING-KILLED-BY-HER-HER-SWORD-TRAPS-THE-SOULS-OF-ITS-VICTIMS
That line was so bad I felt sorry for Kinnaman that he had to read it.
It gets worse when you consider the weird question of faith it brings up. In order for that threat to work, the Suicide Squad has to believe in souls and fear for where they end up. If they care about the "immortal soul", then why are they constantly commuting unforgivable crimes? Do they believe in some sort of cult God where their crimes will be rewarded? Do they care about being trapped but not about Hell? WHY IS SUICIDE SQUAD MAKING ME THINK ABOUT RELIGION?
This is Katana. She's an American stereotype of what Americans think of the Japanese. Her gimmick is that she's Japanese. She only speaks Japanese! That's the joke!"
yeah im fine with that whole japanese thing. (Also I'm pretty sure no one thinks that japanese people run around with katanas and fight random criminals.)
P.S. If anything, she's a stereotype of a samurai
My favorite part of the "HeR HeArT's OuT" line is the expression on Will Smith's face. He looks genuinely confused.
"...Yeah, bruh, I know. I just saw her do it. We talked this over less than ten minutes ago. You okay, man?"
I thought he just looked confused. Like after a few takes the director kept telling Will "look more confused for me" and this is the best we got. He's about to ask "Which her? Which heart? THAT heart? OH RIGHT the MAGIC heart."
i dont think perfect editing would save suicide squad
Aaron Kenyon given how much footage was left on the cutting room floor, it could have been much better.
definitely not, the whole product was rushed from start to finish. You can't polish a turd.
Dan e i agree
The film was written in 6 weeks. A perfect edit would have still been mediocre at best.
Like I said in the video, there's very likely a more coherent cut out there, which would be technically better, but it would be close to three and a half hours long with almost two hours of just introducing characters' backstories.
the whole "losing track of Enchantress' heart" is something that really bothers me. All I can think of is Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom when Indy is poisoned and everyone is kicking the antidote around. There's a great example of an object = suspense. When it's "lost" the characters and audience feel that panic and ultimate relief when found in the scramble. In Suicide Squad, the object is just...gone. No suspense or importance attached to it.
+dr.kalzafax
I agree with you and to be honest, because of how the movie was edited I lost track of what happened to the heart after Harley ripped it out of Enchantress and it wasn't until much later I realised that Captain Boomerang somehow was able to find it under some rubble or whatever that was (see how confused I still am? lol)... must be the upside of having a Thief in the squad since no one else bothered to look for it?? lol
Your comment reminded me of another reason I disliked Valerian, aside from horrible casting and writing. The Converter animal is what they are all wanting but it's not always clear who has it. I had to assume Laureline still had it but it's not shown for long periods plus it's a living creature and we don't know how its managing through all the chaos. So sad that Valerian was so bad.
TBH I forgot about the importance of heart after it was ripped out, because suddenly they are doing something else in slow-mo as well with throwing a bomb.
I know this comment is 5 years old but I can't help but get excited over the temple of doom opening and how perfect it is. not a flawless movie, but that opening sequence has perfect escalation, tension, fun silliness, all of it works. it revels in its own wackiness while also having engaging action, utilizing its setting and props, with actual stakes. it's maybe my favorite example of "characters chase object being kicked around amongst chaos that is comically always just out of their grasp", because it's both easy to follow AND fun, as that gimmick is prone to be frustrating to watch. suicide squad couldn't fail harder at this understanding of good action.
I watched this with my mom and after 40 min she just said out loud, “where is this movie going!?”
Another 15 min goes by and she’s already asleep but wakes up at the end when Rick Flag goes “her heart’s out! We can end this!”
Mom: “Oh so that was their goal for this whole movie?!”
Me: “Yes mom that’s what we where waiting 2 hours for”
So maybe that’s why that line is there! For those who’ve already fallen asleep to know what’s happening at the end.
Hey just a theory.
A GAME....theory...
@@danielcannon38 Why didn't you say FILM THEORY!!!
Daniel Cannon GODDAMNIT DANIEL, WHY COULDN’T YOU JUST SAY FILM THEORY.
You had ONE JOB
Daniel Cannon ONE JOB
The "I would advice not getting killed by her" line never fails to amuse me. If there wasn't any soul stealing, he would advice getting killed?
don’t think that’s what he meant. he’s just saying you really don’t wanna be killed by *her* specifically even if you’re cool with the risk of dying in beneral
@@gothboiclique.mp3 That is obviously the intent of the line. It's just an awkward way to transition from "She's good at cutting people in half with swords" to "Her sword eats souls BTW".
Oh, and as a Post Production professional, one of the very FIRST things that poked me in the eye was the black text on the dark background ... why some genius decided that was a good idea I'll never understand! Violates some of the most basic concepts in post!
Can you tell me the difference between momentary editing and structural editng please ?, i've searched the internet for 2 weeks hâhhha
If I remember correctly, momentary editing is how an individual scene is edited. Structural editing is how the film as a whole has arranged its scenes. Bad momentary editing results in things like dialogue that doesn't flow together, character blocking that makes their movements feel abrupt or out of order, the action being too hard to follow, etc. Bad structural editing means there may be too many unnecessary scenes, or essential scenes may be missing, or scenes out of order, or repetitive, or not adding up to a story at all.
As someone who has made powerpoint presentations with graphic backgrounds, I'm right there with you
I demand a Slipknot spin-off! the film tag line you ask? 'Slipknot can climb anything...even out of his own grave!' Hollywood, gimme a call when you're ready to make billions.
I can smell those money trees from here
@@Harrinsain Gonna need a looooooot of blood.
this is incredibly delightful
i legitmately yell-laughed, THANK YOU
Hollywood if you need a guy for ropes, I’m your rope guy.
Wink!
Why is a 'suicide squad' even necessary when the government sent in soldiers with them?
Just have the soldiers do it.
Because they don't have to be held accountable for them in the same way I assume
MarStoryTime Also, don’t other superheroes already exist, and clearly have enough time on their hands?
What they should have done was set up the Suicide Squad not as a superhero task force made to save the world, but a bunch of stooges and slaves threatened at ostensible gunpoint to do the dirty work of the United States Government.
Like, instead of stopping Enchantress it the Joker the Suicide Squad would do really fucked up shit like murder the leader of a revolutionary party, or blackmail and beat the shit out of gangsters who aren’t already under the city’s thumb.
... This guy's a boomerang...
The One and Only Michael McCormick that's basically what the squad is in the comics. They are deployed in other countries to combat terrorists, but with superpowers. They should have done that.
Impossible, those sqadmates can shoot bullets fire AND carry a sword. It would take years to train everyday responsible citizens to mastery that kind of firepower.
Coming in from The Suicide Squad and talking about the rule of three, the difference is so significant. James Gunn is really good at establishing setups and payoffs. Harley's javelin, the smaller bullet bit, Polka Dot-Man's mommy hallucinations, Bloodsport's rat phobia, and even as small as Waller's golf club all had their own setups and satisfying payoffs
James Gunn also probably had longer than six weeks to write the script. (I imagine.)
it was such a magnificent redo of the first suicide squad i cried a little bit (before crying normally during the movie). from the first few scenes i just *knew* james gunn had taken notes and was determined to do right what the first had done wrong.
@@chiefoftheskyI’m low key excited for where he’s going to be taking the DC movies. Finally a filmmaker that doesn’t hate comic books that is going to make DC movies. (Snyder doesn’t literally hate comic books, but you can tell from his films that he thinks that they’re dumb and for babies and that they need to be “fixed”)
@@Blueeyesthewarrior Snyder only likes comics that are edgy and have boobs and SA and shit. there are hundreds of great, dark comics, of course, but it's a HUGE red flag when that's ALL someone cares about.
@@BlueeyesthewarriorZack Snyder could literally be summarized by his retweet of the batman eating Catwoman out.
Everybody with more than two brain cells knew batman and Catwoman definitely banged, but Zack Snyder really has to shove it into everybody's feed and say "See? SEE? BATMAN HAVE SEX, SO MATURE AND AND EDGY"
also a tiny thing but harley throws the gun underhand, rotating one way, and then it's in the air rotating the opposite f-king direction.
honestly, did they not watch the edits after making them?
continuity handler: yeah, there were a lot of problems, but i marked the really major stuff like how Harley's bomb isn't in her neck at the end, or forgetting to mention Diablo near the end? Oh, and there was the spinning guns--
extremely overworked film editor: yeah okay cool we'll try but the movie's coming out in like a week
continuity handler: .......oh
Just saw it... The pile of fuck is just getting bigger
Ain't nobody gonna talk about how harley fell off the chopper with her back facing the ground and in the very next shot she is rolling on her legs I mean compared to other blunders in the movie this is nothing but yet 😂
They had no time to watch the movie after they made it lol
Chekov's gun serves as an illustration here, as this movie's an inch away from a _literal_ failure at it: Deadshot's introduction spends a few seconds lingering on his odd proficiency with the musket. That's not impressive enough to reiterate Deadshot's skill, and it's superfluous anyway if that's the intent. It's a solid set-up, though, for a later-act gag in some appropriate location: crack of a gunshot, threat falls, cut to Deadshot with a smoking musket. Never happens.
"Suicide Squad - like ogres - has layers except in this case its layers of bad, awkward decisions."
Sameen Shaw like shrek 3
And just like an onion peeling back those layers will leave you crying.
32:00
the way they show us enchantress' betrayal is like if the first avengers movie cut out the entire cold open and replaced it with a black screen and a voiceover saying "loki has stolen the tesseract" and then the title card comes in lol
holy shit I know it's been 7 months but you have an alternate version of my profile picture and I must point it out
See, funny thing is I saw this in theaters and just assumed the problem was my inability to keep a focus on the characters (being unfamiliar with them) and not being able to keep up in an action scene.
So I feel better now. Thank
I mean, that doesn't help. They try to juggle too many characters, so keeping track of them all has got to be hard.
See, the frustrating things is that a well made movie could juggle at least a handful of characters and still have you invested in their fates and stories. Or at the very least have you impressed by the characters even if their stories don't matter. You shouldn't have to be familiar with the source material if the movie is GOOD.
There's a decent number of canonical characters in the Fellowship of the Ring, but even without reading the books I feel like I have a firm grasp of each character and a fair amount of investment in the fate of the world they live in and each story that may be unfolding within.
Suicide Squad just tumbled down the stairs and spilled its box of action figures at you and called it a movie.
I love that the auto-captioning is picking everything else up, but consistently fails to recognize "SAVE MARTHAAAARGHFLBDG" as human speech
This "film" is such hot garbage. I laughed so hard at the fact that if Amanda Waller doesn't create the squad, then no one dies, the city is completely fine and everything would be okay. The squad would be in prison (where they all end up anyway), none of the innocent city folk are killed or transformed, and we're all spared a bad film! And great point on the team. "Superman is bad! Quick! Get that guy with boomerangs and that girl with a baseball bat. They'll stop him!" It's all so friggin' bad!
When the most capable member of the team is only some guy really good with guns, on a squad formed with the secret purpose of opposing the guy who is literally bulletproof, it comes to a point where no amount of acting or writing could have saved the film from the moon sized plot holes.
Superman is not bad he is dead, dead shot got to see his daughter because of this, Harley get a coffee machine and is later broken out of jail, and enchantress could of still found her heart even without the plot therefore helping her brother and then the city is destroyed and the citizens die.
@@morgza-m6898 bruh, since when did superman die for longer than a year? He always comes back, and there's always some universe where he goes evil on the lads.
"You messed with my friends!"
AT WHAT POINT DID WE ESTABLISH THAT THESE PEOPLE LIKE EACH OTHER THIS FILM MAKES NO SENSE
Maybe she's teasing a prequel, where green heart does something that actually affects one of Harley's friends?
that's exactly what I thought!! the entire movie was full of them being antagonistic towards each other -- even at their most "friendly" they just gave off the (accurate) impression of being coworkers stuck in a shitty situation together. hearing the script was thrown together in 6 weeks makes so much sense bc *man* does it show
I mean.. You can find a random person on TH-cam doing such an amazing and deep analysis of why a 175 million dollar movie sucks. 175 million and they couldn't find ONE individual to correct them during production..
Let's be Honest Official amazing point. This guy knows more than the people who were hired to make this $175 million dollar movie
If WB had a clue how to handle production of DC movies there would be more than one good movie out of the bunch. Whoever's idea it was to only give Ayer six weeks to write the movie should be fired (if they haven't been already). For this kind of movie, six weeks might give you time for a solid first draft. So, they've already shot themselves in the foot. Ayer shooting over 200 hours, before reshoots, in order to attempt to find the tone and plot pretty much guarantees that the movie was going to be a mess even before WB tried to "fix" it. I imagine a lot of the editing problems in the movie come down to a lack of coverage, or things not working due to reshoots to try and give the movie a more comedic tone. From the sound of it, a lot of the ending initially relied on the Joker. Leto's Joker had a much, much, bigger part in Ayer's original cut and his plot tied into the ending of the movie. Cutting that probably lead to a lot of the problems with the final battle. I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of editing issues in the movie come down to a lack of coverage. Plot crucial scenes getting cut in order to make the final version and coverage simply not existing to fill in the holes left by the cuts. Suicide Squad might very well be the opposite problem of what happened with Solo. Lucasfilm, reportedly, reshot most of Solo when they brought on Ron Howard. SS had extensive reshoots, but it doesn't sound like it was quite as extensive as that. Which leaves Suicide Squad feeling like three completely unique movies all vying for dominance over the same film.
I think the fact that it's a $175 million dollar production is what prevents one person from fixing it. A project of that size is pretty ungainly just by its nature, and when you add in the fact that the top dogs who play studio politics are infamously incapable of admitting error for fear of appearing weak, it's almost impossible for any one person (or even an entire department) to raise their hand and say "Excuse me, isn't this obviously bad idea obviously bad?"
I'll bet, lots of people in the production felt bad about it the whole time.
Tbf it could also be structural. I know someone who works in the industry and I remember him working on one film he said he and his coworkers knew was a stinker but their boss wouldn’t listen to them.
I experienced the "his death didn't count because people were told not to care" with my GF. She went to see the movie with her sister, and since I was genre savvy I knew people from the Squad had to die, and I asked her who from the squad died, and she told me about Diablo, completely bipassing the fact that Slipknot also died, as if he was never a member of the squad.
So many people in the theater I was in laughed when Slipknot died. You know you're doing things wrong when people laugh when you kill a "good guy"
david Lewis wait, you paid attention?
Am I the only one who only realized that El Diablo died after watching multiple reviews of Suicide Squad?
Eli N.S nope, I didn't realize that too
Pahahahaha as if I've only just found out that Diablo died
The thing that got me the most was the fact that at the end, Harley just went with the rest back in the prison, but the bomb in her neck was already disabled by one of the Joker's guys. Like, it was made a big deal in the scene where she jumps at the rope on the helicopter and escapes, they try to blow her up, but it doesn't work. But then at the end they are threatened with the bombs again and the others have no other options but to go back in prison, but Harley could have just left because hers was disabled. And it was never mentioned that it starts working again, so it's just assumed that it remained disabled. They just completely forgot that they disabled her neck bomb. Even she forgot about it, because she immediately touches her neck and bolts only when Flag destroys his bomb detonating wrist thing in the bar. They made this huge plot point and then they completely forgot they did it.
oh my god i never realised that -.- it just gets worse and worse...
I assumed if she just left when Waller showed up she would have just shot her... But then why did she even need to be there for the fight w the Enchantress...
God I was too kind to this movie when it first came out. This movie sucks.
It's possible she was just... ok with that. She thought Joker was dead, where was she gonna go? The jail gave her food and shelter, with some entertainment (her trapeze shit with the sheets). Why not go back to a relatively safe place to stay when her only real motive for escape was presumed dead?
NovaIsOnTH-cam I mean she was being tortured on the regular there.
@@blueisasomedancer true. Forgot about that it's mentioned so passingly
apolgy for bad english
where were you when Slipknot die
i was at house eating dorito when phone ring
“Slipknot is kil”
“no”
Honestly, the bad english makes it funnier.
But where were you when John died?
@@thatbuckmulligan the end
This is art
@@Awesomeasumpta13 The bad english is part of the copypasta.
THIS IS KATANA
TheArtkaw Your perfume smells nice. I love the stench of death.
One of many cringe lines from Harley Quinn. - __ -
Is that what she said? I though she said "Now that's a killer GAP" as a reference to the gap between the buildings. Fuck me, that just makes the joke even worse!
SHE'S GOT MY BACK
HER SWORD TRAPS THE SOULS OF ITS VICTIMS.
Slipknot had more character than she did, I think he might have had more dialogue too...which is sad.
R.I.P. Man who can climb anything. You will not be missed.
He's Resting In Pieces, most certainly.
Say what!? he was a fantastic character probably one of the best and most deep characters in all of superherodom ... EVER.....
he climbed his way out of the movie
Best character in the movie tbh
No title card = redshirt
the Suicide Squad should be thematically, a black-ops squad. imo they shoulda been dealing with a smaller issue than The End Of The World. When the catastrophe is that huge, there's no logical reason that Batman etc wouldn't get involved
Yup
Senor Salty I agree, but Batman should also be left out of world ending situations except maybe as some kind of advisor, because his only real asset there is his intelligence. This is one of the more annoying trends of these shared universes and ensemble hero films. The cast of characters are chosen based on their recognisability and popularity, with seemingly no awareness of how their abilities can be used to solve the problems.
When Batman is in his own movie, he looks like a powerful badass who can fight the enemies using his own abilities. When he's put next to Superman, it's like putting a kitten on a basketball team with LeBron James. They aren't even close to being in the same tier of power and one is rendered utterly negligible by the other. Avengers had the same issue with characters like Black Widow, Hawkeye and Captain America being comically put on the same team as Thor and Hulk.
I think the ones that do this well either have a total awareness of the fact that one character is significantly more powerful than others (like Dr Manhattan in Watchmen, Jean Grey in Xmen or Saitama in One Punch Man) or they just choose characters who are generally on the same kind of level.
Definitely. The plot should of been something along the lines of "The Joker and a bunch of other villains escaped Arkham Asylum for the thousandth time. Let's form a team of expendable criminals to get them back." Or, if you want to be even simpler than that, "a bunch of terrorists are doing a thing involving a bomb or kidnapping or whatever. Let's form a team of expendable criminals to stop them." The plot that we got was better suited for a Justice League movie than the Suicide Squad.
You mean like how they were used in the Justice League cartoon and the Animated movie, Assault on Arkham, both of which are amazing?
But the execs thought that would not put as many butts in theater sits
It’s been seven months since game of thrones but I still want to vomit when I hear “subverted expectations”
Same here!
"We subvert their expectations by making them expect something good, and then have it be shitty!"
"Genius!"
Reminder that david benioff of the D&D guys said “themes are for eighth-grade book reports”
I noticed problems in season 7 but season 8 ruin the series for me I can’t even rewatch the series without constantly pointing out stuff that was useless or forgotten by the end
I feel like subverting expectations is just an excuse for a bad film:
"the audience doesn't like the film because we subverted their expectations and they are all man babies"
Maybe it's because the film was plain bad
lmaooooo. ME!
When Flagg yells "Her heart's out! We can end this!" I distinctly remember thinking "Oh, the only reason they would signpost that so obviously is because there is something the audience doesn't understand about the heart." I (much like your suggestion with the unicorn) then expected there to be further twist with the heart, and the audience should pay close attention and track the heart. That Harley, who had antagonized and undermined Flagg constantly through the film, was now in possession of the heart and therefore in control despite Flagg so obviously thinking he was in control... That only the person with the heart could kill the Enchantress... That Harley would usurp the Enchantress' power to escape.... but no. Just no.
exactly!! it felt like it could've been a setup for subversion of expectations!
Ugh this is so much better than whatever was in the movie. You should be a writer, at least you’re competent
probably the cleverest homeless man I've ever seen
yeah if carl had watched his GG video he would think he is an even smarter homeless man, you are right paul.
you know, that very much not what he said in that video. lmao.
You didn't understood what he said, you need to watch the vídeo again
His box friend being so cleanshaven that his hair is that much more noticeable
god i forgot to reply to this
"Perhaps instead of defining base assumptions with a clumsy traffic light example he ought to have talked about how the gaming journos started gamergate in the first place"
that is why you should watch again, the traffic light example was to show how some things are assumed as normal in arbitrary manner, not because they are more logical or more efficient, but because of inertia and an unquestionable decision
he very clearly define how gamergate is divided by two groups, the ones who genually believed in the journalistic cause, and the appropriators whom only goal was to be biggots and sexist
his interest was to talk about the second group and how they used the sincere group
"But secondly, this idea that he has about gamergate being a reaction to increased visibility of minority voices should be crossed out and incinerated."
clearly because you said so, not because of what people in gamergate actually said and we had actual evidence that you are making a very wrong assumption, as was shown in the video
"It comes from a feminist "base assumption" that feminists are the voice for minorities and that their ideology promotes the best interests of minorities."
no one said that, feminist are not the voice of ALL minorities, but they speak for woman and many in the LGBT group
" It's almost as if he's conflating the two, because his bullet points about gamergate's base assumptions don't even mention the increased visibility of minority voices, but rather representation in gaming, which is a completely seperate issue. "
it is not, the visibility of minorities is what provoked the increased representation, it is not completely separeted, and neither was his bullet point
his argument was that gamer gate follows this theme "in the internet everyone is default" , not anonymous, default, if you don't reveal who you are you are assumed to be a white hetero guy, which is undeniable that his was GG assumption
"Then he talks about terrorism in gamergate. I'm sure everyone agrees that the sort of gamergate people who take down websites and try to de-platform people are wrong and unhelpful, but then he just has to lump in CRITICS with those same terrorists."
like he said, one shields the other
the "terrorists" are the critics audience, and they confirm the critics bias against minorities, the "terrorists" attacked on their name (just look at the comment sections that they dogpile)
"Well then don't put your ideas out for everyone to see!"
so you are telling that people should open hand of theyr freedom because assholes exist? how very quaint
weren't the gamer gate people the "rationals"? the ones who were up for freedom? now you say the people who criticize GG should just keep in silence as if it was censorship?
hypocrisy much?
"Then he says "the primary target of corruption and conspiracy accusations being women, queer folk, and their allies" Which pretty much gives it away. By "allies" he means "feminists"
allies means allies, if you assume that allies means just feminists you are just making wrong assumptions
and either case, what would be the problem with having feminists allies? what is your problem with feminism? with what feminist group do you have a problem with? and why feminist in the conversation are a problem when gamer gate was run by and support by white supremacists and literal nazis??
have you actually checked how the GG people is going on today? because the mask have fallen for most of then, they finally admit they are the nazis we always knew they were
"He's trying to make it seem like gamergate is about identity polotics. It's about IDEOLOGIES. "
"identity politics" is an manifestation of ideologies
and how very coincidental that the ideologies that are criticized just so happen to be the ones who defend minorities
"Then he correctly assesses the term "literally who" and proceeds to incorrectly assess the very same term. First he says that the name was created to deflect accusations that gamergate was all about hating Zoe Quinn, which is true, but then he says that it was meant to... .... ....dehumanize her? I don't even understand what would be the point of that. "
well you answered
"They are rejecting her because she was never meant to be anything other than a catalyst for a broader discussion."
she was dehumanized her, GG turned her into a symbol, a strawman, an example
if you think it just stopped with calling her "literally who", you are either naive or blind
rape threats, dog pilling, doxxin, and so on
these woman, people criticized GG were hunted by reactionaries, that USED GG to do so, doesn't matter how it begun, but what it became, and nazi had run the show using the legit critics as shield, very much like you intentionally or not is doing now.
Girl with a sword appears.
Character: "Not sure if you have noticed... She's got a sword and knows how to use it."
Audience:
I really like the way they named the Japanese woman who is good with swords after the Japanese word for sword.
Masterful writing.
@@Martin_Edmondson I think that comes from the comics not the movie.
@@SorowFamethe movie could have given her an actual name
Typical comic book super hero crap.
Comic books are written for 7 year old boys who don’t know of the concept of subtlety.
“Emphasis on the wrong syllables” was excellent
Thanks, I was wading thru the comments for a nod for that "imphesus".
Literally only here to highlight this part, it took me like an extra second to understand what he had said, but I burst out laughing
26:50 HOLY SHIT I just realized that the only person with actual powers on the team is el diablo, the next closest is deadeye who just kinda... shoots good.
na slipknot has power as well, he can climb anything ... even his way out of this terrible movie
It's like reverse teen titans or justice league..... where robin/batman is the lone human among a team of supers, competing at a Olympic-level competency, instead we get Diablo being the sole powered dude on a team of normies 😑😑😑 less diversity of fighting styles + his power is like, being a lighter? Boring.
Well... Harley does have the unofficial power of diamond strength plot armor.
I find it funny that killer ctoc got forgotten
Harley Quinn is actually a hilarious addition. Her most noteworthy expertise is being a psychologist ... but not a good psychologist.
The most surprising thing about the unicorn is that a very simple way to keep both the unicorn and the money, and to subvert the audience's expectation with it, would have been to have the wad of cash hidden inside the unicorn : you'd understand why he was so adamant to keep it, you'd have a moment of surprise of "wait how did the unicorn block the stab?" followed by a fun and understandable payoff, and a minor redifinition of the character as more grounded and cunning than what he pretends to be.
exactly!!
The unicorn observation and the payoff (or 'not payoff') has been so useful for me. That idea of showing so clearly and then wastefully ignoring the payoff (and how much that harms the film) is a core takeaway. Even simple details like dark, muddy text on dark, muddy backgrounds being a poorly executed idea feels like a weighty misstep here. Brilliant video.
They guy with a boomerang, the guy that climbs, the guy with a problem in his skin (I hope he doesn't breath through it tho), the guy that aims well, the fucked up girl, the girl that doesn't need introduction, and Taven.
Together, they'll save the world! Because Superman is bussy killing presidents and Aquaman has higher standars.
All I could think was, "Who the fuck thought this shit was acceptable?!" It's one thing for your premise to not make sense to a DEGREE, but for the WHOLE Thing to not make sense when you stop and think just for 5 seconds, it's just...what...?
Aquaman is stronger than Superman (at least phisically) in the comics.
Willian Gabriel nice joke
Seriously, he can trash most of the DC cast together by himself without much trouble. The 80's and 90's Aquaman is long dead.
"superman is bussy" is a sentence that will remain with me until my dying day
I love that you call it "Fant Four Stic". I like the rest of the video, but that made me laugh.
Ryan Shotison found your comment just as he said that
Madcircle Throughell that crap doesn't deserve to be called Fantastic Four
What? That's now it's supposed to be read?
Everybody calls it that.
@@crimsonmask3819 It's commonly read like that. It's better than saying Fantastic Four 2015.
I've watched this so many times and now I'm fascinated by the idea of a Folding Ideas vid about Birds of Prey--which re-used a lot of Suicide Squad's "gimmicks." splash screens of character bio text, misc. screen graffiti, voice-over, lots of flashbacks and timeline editing to establish character backstory. not a perfect movie but it *felt* more coherent edit-wise than suicide squad or (oof) aquaman...I do wonder how different the movies *actually* are on a technical/edit level though, after a solid film analysis
Honestly, I think part of the reason I would say that BoP worked (or at least worked much better) is that it actually COMMITTED to the atmosphere of wacky neon contrivances. Harley was clearly telling the story and they didn't constantly cut to a war documentary's color palette, the soundtrack was much better spaced out and had a consistently bouncy feel for the most part, and the flashback introductions were used to demonstrate the unreliability of the narrator (Harley). It all felt much more casual, even when dealing with pretty high stakes or tension, and the only parts where you were confused about what was happening were when you were supposed to be because Harley is unpredictable, never in dramatic moments where you needed to be able to follow the action. I genuinely enjoyed BoP and went back for another theater viewing- Suicide Squad I haven't even gone back to once out of theaters and I maintain it's one of the sloppiest and least coherent movies I've seen, while still managing to be boring for an unfortunate chunk of it's runtime; honestly, managing to be boring AND scattered AND over-narrated AND underdeveloped is almost an achievement. BoP is never what I'd consider unambiguously boring, there's always either new information, character development, or action of some sort on screen, whether it's high-quality or not.
Don't know what your problem with the editing in Aquaman was, sure it had a few awkward cuts but the storytelling, editing and pacing was smooth and coherent imo. Suicide Squad and Justice League (and maybe the theatrical cut of BvS) are the worst of the DCEU in that regard so far.
@@rsfilmdiscussionchannel4168 My main thing with Aquaman is that it started and restarted the movie like 6 times, like they had a dozen different scripts and couldn't decide which backstory/first scene to go with so they just used all of them. Haven't watched since then but I remember seeing it theaters and going OK BUT WHY ARE WE DOING A FLASHBACK AGAIN
@@hailonyourparade Dunno about that, I haven't seen it since cinemas but I remember the opening being fine. It covered Arthur's backstory then it went to an opening action scene and then finally the plot got moving.
@@rsfilmdiscussionchannel4168 Yeah the opening was fine! And then 15 minutes in they did another introductory scene. And then again. It was just a bit redundant, they could have sharpened it up a bit. It's not the worst edited dc film by far, just sorta sloppy and a bit weird.
I came into this not expecting to understand the specifics of editing and how this movie did it poorly, but you explained it amazingly well. Great job.
This is the best "Why Suicide Squad sucks" vid ever.
my favorite bit of that is that he clearly is just pained by the errors, not having a whiny fan-tantrum.
Genuinely one of the best videos I've seen on TH-cam. The fact that you had to hide the likes and dislikes here is utter bullshit and goes to show how salty people can get over a stupid superhero movie.
Tastytea he actually hides them on all his videos.
Oh really?
Tastytea yeah, he says he does it so people don't instinctively form an opinion on the video before watching. if one of his videos has a ton of downvotes, it may interfere with how you watch the video
Tastytea I didn't even know it was an option.
"the man who can climb anything" sounds like a superhero you'd see in a parody film or comic.
Am I the only one who's extremely bothered by Rick Flag, every time I hear him yell "THIS IS KATANA" it just sounds very awkward how he ends that sentence.
It's bad acting, bad writing and everything else in between (well bad for a movie of that size - it's slightly better than student films).
THIS IS KATANAKA. Don't catch me stabbing though.
No, it's weird. Makes me wonder if they just had him yelling like an idiot and then put the helicopter noises in afterwards (probably what happened).
That whole paragraph is quite a mouthful to begin with, and it had to come out in way too little time. It's a mess. Few actors could have saved that line, I should think.
i've heard it so often from re-watching this video and from references that I kinda love it
When I first heard of this movie, I heard the point of the movie would be that the suicide squad was formed to assassinate the Joker. I don't know where I heard that from but it's a brilliant and perfectly ironic plot. Sending harley Quinn to kill the character she has been in the shadow of her entire career would be a great opportunity for character development
Jason Walker When you say character development to the kind of people who made this movie, they nod their heads, but all they hear is a noise like "meow meow meow."
noisepuppet If cats made this movie than that explains a lot, but at least I can forgive them for being cute🐱
@@jessica_jam4386 It wasn't cats. It was those mice bastards. Mice, not men.
@LittleFieryOne Maybe it was a combination Of Mice and Men that made the movie?
@Jean Sanchez I feel like a movie made by Skaven would at least be more interestingly bad. It'd be so obsessed with making you think the main character is brilliant and cool that the entire thing falls apart at every turn.
Amanda Waller
Powers: tactical idiot
Information: pointless
Title cards: makes way too many
Batman - "Imma kill you now"
Superman - "My adopted mum is called Martha"
Batman - "My actual mum was called Martha. We should hang out more"
Plot twist: The Waynes faked their deaths and moved to Kansas.
You apparently know how to edit, because I just watched all of this and didn't realize it was 34 minutes long.
Indeed. When I saw how long it is, "Oh god, 30 minutes..." And I watched it without noticing at all it already 30 minutes.
Ditto.
7y ago, when 35 minute videos felt “long”
The sheer scale problems were the thing that annoyed me the most when the film came out; this is a group that works in the comics because they do secret and ridiculous missions that no one else would agree to (eg. fight an entire stadium full of zombies to find one person), and that they're all disposable. But the movie made it this grandiose superweapon, and followed it around with something akin to a private army, and never really used the fact that they're villains for any sort of significant payoff...
Your video made me realize just how much the way the movie is put together highlights each of its fundamental issues...
Anyway, great analysis, bad movie.
That bothered me too, if there's a threat so big it can destroy the entire planet you'd think that superheroes with real and more powerful powers would step in. Not this squad of villains, yes, but not powerful enough. Not even combined.
Ughhh this annoyed me too! Why do superhero movies always have to be about the End Of The World, as if no other story is worth telling 😒
@@rhythmandblues_alibi
That's actually fairly simple. Each sequel has to have higher or equal steaks to the previous to feel exciting, but then other films/comics released at the same time need to compete so they match the steaks or beat it. The end result is that since the 60s we've had progressive creep of threat to the point that comics regularly deal with multiverse destroying events for soft reboots which can't stick because people still love old characters and the reboots have to vaaery quickly approach planet level threats to compete so it never lasts.
Marvel is currently struggling with this, Infinity War dealt with destroying half of all life in the universe so what's next has to be even bigger hence the focus on drawing in a multiverse, it's not just one universe under threat but millions.
@@scragar it was a rhetorical question. I was just having a whinge. And I disagree that you can't have superhero movies about smaller stories following after "end of the world" type storylines. Clearly the strategy of continually "upping the stakes" isn't working because people are getting Marvel fatigue. A smaller more personal story thrown into the mix can be a refreshing change after constant armageddons by bringing the human element back into these super stories.
@@scragar God, yeah. When was the last time we saw a superhero just… like… help someone out? Like Superman used to? When did we get this idea that superheroics _have_ to be about Destroying The Enemy? Is this why some people think superheroes are a fascist concept?
I just realized that when Harley is mocking Griggs at about 24:15 and he's starting to get worried Black Sabbath's _Paranoid_ is playing in the background.
O_o
im surprised wesley willis's "I Whooped Batman's Ass" wasn't on the soundtrack
obvious reflection of emotions is obvious
mojopeach wait but isnt the implication here that Harley/the squad actually IS going to fuck his shit up? I mean, they never do, but he’s not being paranoid, it just makes sense that that’s what’s in his future...
@@Flowtail I inferred that she was just fucking with him so IDK
The end of this video - sighing, saying "2016", and downing a drink, only becomes funnier the farther from 2016 we get
26:26 A heist you say? Like that one other Suicide Squad movie, Assault on Arkham? They should've just remade that movie.
you are the first comment i see that mentions that
Malcis more people gotta talk about this
Jake Carlson It has the best suicide squad dynamics. Where most of the characters acting out like they're bad guys and they're manipulating eachother also they're not acting like they're BFs. What else? what else? oh yeah better Joker performance by Troy Baker, Batman has longer screentime, better villain, better plot. Yeah pretty much better than the trash we got.
I actually saw Assault on Arkham and I THOUGHT that's what SS was going to be: Not every "superhero movie" has to be about saving the world/universe from an apocalyptic threat. especially when the team you assemble is clearly not equipped to deal with it. We got got guns, swords, boomerangs and...a baseball bat. Yep, I feel so confident in their skills to handle this cosmic level being. *rolls eyes* I would have loved a heist movie with these guys.
Don't fix what isn't broken.
Wow.... When I watched this movie, I concluded that I disliked this movie for it's bad storyline...But after watching this video... I realise that there's a lot more about Sucide Squad that I didn't like which were subconscious. Every single problem this video has listed, has bothered me while watching the movie, I just couldn't put my finger on it. Now I realise why I have to learn about cinematography and filmmaking just so that I can understand why and how a movie can suck on a subconscious level and not just due to bad script or storyline....Great video, helps people understand what makes a good movie good and a bad movie bad... Everyone should be educated about these nuances.
Vamsi Mohan Krishna Vadrevu
you can try and break it down but there's some of us that still like the movie. i still love watching bvs and suicide squad. I dont think they are perfect and i agree with his points but i still dont see how he says this is bad editing but to my eyes i think it works for the movie.
You may not have noticed the worst aspects and failings of the film-making... But your brain did.
Shado Bat Liking it or not doesn't have anything to do with its technical problems. You can say you like a burnt cake, sure, but it's still burnt and can obviously be better.
If even you think that they aren't perfect and agree with his points, then why don't you see how it's bad editing? Does putting black font on black background make sense? Does showing crucial information about the Enchantress' brother in the middle of exposition in the form of vague images actually make the it works for the movie? Does stopping the momentum and flow of the action just so Flagg can inform the team about the Enchantress' heart being ripped out, even though we just saw it, makes the movie better?
If they aren't perfect, then maybe actually fixing these problems can make them perfect.
@@1967sluggy I felt pity for your son. I can't believe that movie killed him.
whoa, enjoyed your editing analysis very much - totally worth spending my 30 minutes. I think you've earned a subscriber
I agree. Subscribed.
MightySavagE same
I have to admit, I don't think I've ever listened to anyone complain for so long (without relying on sarcasm or satire) without getting bored, before.
Subscribed as well. Not many vids are interesting and engaging enough finish -- yours was!
Yep - me too.
Man Gunns movie really did fix pretty much every single problem in this video, the character introductions, the opening shot, the character banter and the story establishing and paying off lots of little things
Still kinda sucked tho...
@@jeandehuit5385 Nah, was a lot of fun and I hated and loved some characters which is how it should be
@@scottstuart531 The main problem I have w/ it (& there's a few 2ndary problems as well) is that it feels like it's trying *really* hard to be weird, w/out actually being, you know, all that weird.
Other secondary points being minor production things that kept taking me out of the movie. Like the fact Idris Elba is clearly playing a role written for Will Smith; the fact all the cast members from the original movie save Margo Robbie are written off (despite not actually being poorly cast or anything. Only Flag's actor is actually bad); the fact King Shark is an expy for Groot, among other things...
My biggest pet peeve (which really shouldn't bother me, but does) is the stinger. So, like, Boomerang. Everyone who knows Suicide Squad beyond the abysmal 2016 one knows that it's an in-joke that Boomerang somehow always manages to survive. Then, you have a hospital scene in the end, & they're talking in hushed tones. I immediately think it's Captain Boomerang, but...
Nope, it's Cena. A guy I *never* want to see in another one of these movies again (not that he was bad, but I think he conveyed everything that character needed to be conveyed, & anything more would be overstaying his welcome). It just left a bad taste in my mouth.
(it's also colour-graded like a Marvel movie, which means it looks uglier than sin, but that's besides the point).
A lot of these are little things, but the devil's in the details. The problem w/ the 2016 is big, structural issues (the script, the editing), but there's a lot of love in the little details you can appreciate (& also an equal amount of crap). W/ the 2021 one, the structure 'works' but a lot of the details just feel wrong. It's an okay movie, but not really what I'd call A-game for a Suicide Squad story.
(for the record, I think the Direct-to-video "Suicide Squad: Hell to Pay" is better than both the live-action ones. It goes for a more Grindhouse tone, & I'd say it's worth a watch if you can rent it for cheap).
The remake has no business existing
@@jeandehuit5385 Not even close
This is why Suicide Squad is my worst movie of the year. I can't believe anyone enjoyed it.
oldmoviemusic I know right how on earth could you have a different opinion to another individual.
The best thing about that movie was the soundtrack...and by that I mean the ORIGINAL songs, not all that other bullshit they threw in there.
Well I, for one, very much enjoyed the movie... although to be fair, I was only paying attention during the moments that Harley was on screen.
I certainly enjoyed tearing it apart with my friends. It's definitely not a movie I could ever watch alone.
Simon Belanger Well, you just might get your wish, but not in a GOOD way. DC/WB is planning on making a DEADSHOT solo movie and a GOTHAM SIRENS movie with some of the same crew involved.
Great video. I've never seen your channel before, but this was very informative. I like how everything has logical and tangible reasons too.
Definitely agreed. Very well organized.
Dude a heist-style suicide squad movie could have been so cool? shit. I'm ready for a superhero movie that isn't just 'superheroes kill a big threat' like we've had enough of these.
froginatub go watch "assault on arkham" it's a heist movie about suicide squad.
It speaks volumes when a Direct-to-DVD movie, created as a tie-in to a videogame series, is CLEARLY the superior movie when compared to the big Hollywood blockbuster on the same subject...
I was so hoping Suicide Squad would be anything close to Assault On Arkham, and I couldn't have been more disappointed.
Assault on arkham had everything that Suicide Squad should've had.
#1: A small scale.
#2: Good writing.
#3: Good characters.
#4: An interesting plot.
#5: NO FUCKING SKYBEAMS
#6: Good action.
#7: Seeing the team work as a team.
Rise my minion, the magic of thread-omancy commands you!
#8 - actually taking advantage of having antisocial maniacs as cast. I mean, AoA's Harley is much more of unstable nymphomaniac, Deadshot- sociopathic hitman. Killer shark, had and semi-romantic plot. It had more chemistry than those weird vats in Suicide Squad. And Boomerang... Much more offensive british steretype.
#9 When someone dies- It was really saddening, surprising (I'm bad at mysteries, tho) or teaching. It took me a while to get who's the Slipknot of this movie.
Marek Wygnany Boomerang is Australian
It's genuinly adorable to see Dan do the slam the rest of the cough syrup gag and say 2016. Sweet sweet summer child, how I envy your delicate innocence.
Oh my god! Is that your real last name?
Yep, survived middle school with it. Most of my accounts don't use it obviously haha, but this one just pulled it from google
@@palebluedotn7147 well now i'm curious
@@syra1541 lol, yeah finally found a way to change it. I had to also change my gmail handle, gotta be a better way to do it.
The last name is "Raper".
@@palebluedotn7147 nice haha, oh that's a bit unfortunate
when I was watching it I actually completely missed that they were rescuing somebody, I though they had to like make a pitstop before going to the boss.
River Williams I still don’t really get it. They’re rescuing Waller - who’s in the city? And what exactly was Enchantress doing/going to do to her again?
What if the suicide squad trailer edit was just a crapshoot attempt to burn as many songs likely to be used in Guardians of the Galaxy 2 as possible?
rofl
James Gunn is just sitting there like, "DAMN IT, DC!"
Ronnie Hess I doubt it. suicide squad was a lot of overused, cliché pop songs. gotg songs were a bit more obscure.
yeah but the "Spirit in the sky" song was already in Guardians of the galaxy 1, so even if this movie had this purpose the work would still be done badly.
No you're right, it definitely was
9:45 The easy answer would have been for the unicorn to have a stack of bills inside of it… so we see him get stabbed, we see the unicorn get stabbed, and the payoff is that we weren’t aware that the unicorn was his secret stashspot for cash and stuff.
I thought that too
I love the way you chug the drink and say "2016" as if that was a rough year, which like, may well have been but boy we didn't know what was coming!
With thousands of people involved for hundreds of millions of dollars, how do films like this get made? Do any studio execs know anything about actual film making? I get that they are hired for marketing, business management and financial skills, but for crying out loud people, what are the producers and executive producers doing? Surely some of them went to film school?
Chris LaGrange I think everyone gets blinded by their hard on for 💵. Since Marvel made over $1B at the box office. they prolly assume people are idiots. idiots who can't tell superheroes apart. that aslong as the movie as cool fight scenes & explosion nothing else matters. that we wont notice Batman is ok w Murdering, but somehow the Joker is still alive. wait, who cares abt. The Story, buy Licensed D.C merchandise!!! Fuck yeah!!
💵💵💵🔥🎬🔫🔪💣🔥💵💵💵
Chris LaGrange What usually happens is that they try to push a movie too fast, then they start to switch around writers while casting the actors, making the sets, sometimes they haven't even hired the director yet. Then the shooting starts and they don't even have a full script, or they have a very messy one, so one or two rewrites more. Then the deadline is in the neck of the crew and they need to get this mess in a viewable state, and finally we end up with movies like this. In short, they rush movies out of the gate, too many people end up involved, and we end up with something as messy as its development.
With thousands of people involved for hundreds of millions of dollars, how do films like this get made? Simple. Because thousands of people are involved and it costs millions of dollars.
Big studio movies often have the problem of, "Too many cooks in the kitchen". Because there are so many people involved with so much at stake, instead of everyone working together to make the best movie they can, you end up with a hundred different people with a hundred different ideas of what they think the movie "should be" all butting heads and working against one another.
an executive producer's main job is financing and such aspects as contracts.
a producer may find financing, hire the cast and crew, oversee post-production, have a marketing scheme, etc..
did any of these guys go to film school? maybe, but it's probably not something that would help the situation anyway. that's why they hire people who *did* go to film school, to do those creative parts of the process. i mean, i could own a successful restaurant, but that doesn't mean i know how to boil water, i just hire people who are great cooks. :)
does the CEO of mcdonald's know how to make a big mac? highly doubtful as that's not his function. he knows the ingredients and what equipment is used in the right sequence, but as far as making that sandwich he would be lost. similarly, studio execs know how a movie is made, but aren't filmmakers themselves. they sure as hell don't know how to sit down and edit a film, which is an unappreciated art unto itself.
the only things they teach you how to cut in hollywood's film schools is cocaine ..
"Baz Luhrmann has more restraint than this!"
As a Baz Luhrmann fan, that alone earned a like.
A very well written and presented dissection of one of the most glaring problems in Suicide Squad. Awesome work man!
I have to strongly disagree, this was way too redundant. It's so badly written and hard to follow because he loves tangents that don't matter to the case in point.
And he hides his like/dislike ratio, so he doesn't want to improve.
It's a waste of time, the video could've been 10 minutes long without the amount of meaningless fucking fluff he put in it.
Nasty-looking Navi Yeah, you're just bullshitting. Fuck off.
@@Gatitasecsii so your problem with his video is *you* couldn't follow his arguments? well bud, sorry to say that's not a problem with *him*... yeah he uses a nicely conversational style with some loopy bits & comedic flourishes; that's what good writing (and natural speech!) sounds like...
@@sjs9698 You're either kidding or uneducated. It's not that I couldn't follow, his writing is messy, unorganized, and wasteful. And if by loopy bits you mean redundant and repetitive, then I agree, but that's not preference, that's just bad writing discipline.
Besides you can tell what a weak ass bitch loser he is by looking at the hidden rating.
If they hadn't said "Her hearts out, we can end this!" then CinemaSins would have complained about "She was just invincible, what's changed? Explain movie, explain!" because he has the attention span of a goldfish. (I take that back, that's an insult to goldfish.)
*ding*
"We're not critics, we're assholes" - CinemaSins
It's funny tho
Ah, garbage film and the garbage youtube channel. Nice combo.
@@martijnlerutte8826 the big issue though is that
obviously all the lame internet jokes and bad faith criticisms from ppl like cinemasins, nostalgic critic/guy with the glasses team, and blog type things like Cracked, Wisecrack that keep trying to be smarter than movies
it just makes movies become more vague, more pandering, and overall messier
from childrens animation to live action superhero films, etcetc
a fuckton of big budget cinema of the last two decades just have a lot of hollowness and sparkly, trailer friendly appeal or are just made more marketable
but theyre all sparkle and no substance
so much of the last 20 years of film are kind of shoddy
(think Illumination films like Minions, lots of sjw and surface level ""feminism"" infiltrating all genres of film, token characters of other minority groups, and ofc the absolute birrage of superhero films that have exploded into the cinema-sphere as of the last 10ish years
not to say there isnt quality coming out now, but a loud majority is as structurally sound as swiss cheese, with the corporations or producing bodies of a lot of film worrying about getting as many asses in seats and products sold as possible :)))))
tl;dr cuz i kind of went off
cinema sins kinda is funny, but its made an environment where all these producers of film take the lame jokes as what people wanna see on screen, and its making films so much less structured or even enjoyable
The most awkward scene for me was the elevator scene with Harley. It comes out of nowhere, there's awful pop music that doesn't fit the tension of the scene, and the payoff is nothing but a booty shot of Margot Robbie at the end.
Yeah I was hoping he talked about that. Also she was on the elevator and got to the 50th floor and they were running up the steps and when the elevator door opened they were there waiting for her that made no sense. And then the scene just jumps to them being covert and hidden. We just forget that Harley just did that? Like why? Not explained. And why THE FUCK did they run after her and not just blow her brain out like they did Slipknot?
I liked the movie just because I was entertained and I had fun watching it but I can see there are clearly lots of mistakes in the movie.
IKR? The whole movie had scenes like that, just pointless filler scenes to drag out them getting to Enchantress - though I'd say Joker's is worse because it literally builds up to him yet adds nothing whatsoever.
*****
The fuck are you on about?
Moviefan 101 ...do you need a hug?
yeah, i think you need a hug. :P you're trying too hard
Wait the guy who could climb anything had a name?