Bright: The Apotheosis of Lazy Worldbuilding | Video Essay
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Choose your race:
Elf, Dwarf, Orc, Mexican
In South Park: The Stick of Truth, the four possible classes are Warrior, Thief, Mage, and Jew.
Half orc, half mexican
@@pf161821 Basically just a normal half-orc, but you take a -4 penalty to Diplomacy checks when speaking to someone who remembers the Alamo.
We're halflings, so that's just a name change.
No, no, no, you got it wrong. Mexican is a *sub*race. You gotta get the DLC for that option.
So, is Shrek like, a historical drama in the Bright universe?
shrek is the bright of the bright universe
*It would have to be*
It got famous for being one of the first kids movies about racism
It's like A Knight's Tale?
...imagine a historical drama made today where the love interest transforms into a different race at the end so she can be with the main character.
It would almost be funny.
It's an old video, but I want to point out that there are centaurs on screen and there are clearly no accomodations made in doorways or hallways for their presence despite them just being part of the word.
Top 10 Things Bright Could Have Learned From Zootopia
[insert disabled people being a minority joke here]
on the wiki it says they're 0.01% of the US population and typically live in rural areas that may have special accommodations. the centaur in the movie was probably only there because the police needed one. same with the giants, they aren't in the movie but they exist in the universe but they live in places with special accommodations (like 15 foot tall doorways)
A clear violation of the Americans Who Are Centaurs Act.
@@qwertyuoip1234 A.W.A.C.A.
That one graffiti in there with the elf puppeteering the human that's beating on an orc feels like it comes from a much better movie that actually fully explores the implications of the stratified society.
Exactly! They could’ve made elves the masterminds who were trying to pin all theirs crimes on the orcs!
Whenever Bright comes up I am always reminded of that whole intro with "We're broken people" playing while cruising past grafitti and how it set the scene for a fantastic movie that never happened.
Bright was basically "What if we made a Shadowrun movie, except we just slightly rewrite a generic cop movie and then throw out all Shadowrun world building in favour of just making up some historical references on the spot?"
Yeap. From the get go we are shown elves essentially rule the world with golden fists. Then we are shown that only elves can use magic, which explains why they rule the world: They can do and make whatever the hell they want a reality. Which is why finding the magic wand was top priority for the government as opposed to, well, everything else.
@@Ralzar I genuine haven't seen anyone mention Bright since it came out, would love to know when and where it's making appearances.
though the racialisation of "the elites" into elves that puppeteer the world does feel a little anti-semitic
In the heart of Mount Everest, great rings were forged. Three were given to the elves, immortal, wisest, and fairest of all beings. Seven to the Dwarf Lords; great miners and craftsmen of the mountain halls. And nine rings were gifted to the race of Mexicans, who above all, got shit for the Alamo.
Ah yes, the great classic Tolkien races: elf, dwarf, Hobbit, human, Mexican...
this one paragraph that was a reference to lotr is better than the entirety of bright
Mexicans won the battle of the Alamo.
Thank God I revisited this video, I would have missed this beautiful comment otherwise
@@muhilan8540 *When they win:* we won, 'murica fuck yeah
*When they lose:* you violent fuck, how dare you?
Imagine beating a raccoon to death in your yard and then saying “raccoon lives don’t matter today”
You know what? I probably would. But to myself and not to my neighbours. And I'd probably think, "man, that was a lame- ass joke."
Your neighbors would give you an odd look and go "R U Ok? Maybe you should take a vacation."
[Rocket the Raccoon disliked that]
Is raccoon what you call actors like Will Smith when they take on roles where they play the voice of the racist writer or elite producer making the movie?
@@carlosmunoz3089 what
I agree with all your criticisms but one.
Shrek exists in all possible timelines
Perhaps a multiversal cosmic entity? XD
Then bright is the darkest timeline
but what about the timeline where shrek doesn't exist in all possible timelines?
We call that one "the dark dimension". It is the dimension whose name we don't speak. XD
@@catherinestickels2591 Wasn't Shrek based off a children's book, though? I could've sworn reading it when I was in elementary school. So it still could've existed in this universe without the movie...I guess?
We hate orcs... Because they fought under the Dark Lord... Who was an elf... Who was only defeated because of an orc. Flawless world building.
Hitler was white, Berlim was taken by Soviet Union, Western world dont hate white people but hate communists.
@@heitorpedrodegodoi5646 Okay? And? My point is the racism in the writing makes no sense. It's not thought through.
@@RaistlinMajereFistandantilus I get what you mean and i agree, and its really shitty worldbuilding, but I think its kinda funny cause ive seen real people be racist for more nonsensical reasons irl lmao
@@archkull all racism is for stupid reasons, it's made up bull shit
@@archkull Most people lack critical thinking and introspection nowadays, so sadly what you're saying is not even surprising anymore
I don't know you guys, but I want a prequel set in WW2 where mermaids fight Japanese kamikaze dragons and Hitler is literally Sauron.
@JoeRingo118 Sauroman.
Stalin could be Carcharoth, a giant wolf that beats a magic dog that beat up Sauron
@@Fly-the-Light I would like to change my vote!
@JoeRingo118 which would make Stalin morgoth
@@Shinigami13133 Except that doesn't work, Morgoth was Sauron's master. Stalin would have to be some character who is just as evil as Sauron but also opposed to him, and as far as I know the only character that really fits those criteria is Saruman.
Me about British people:
“You know what they say, once with King George always with King George”
@Yongo Bazuk I hope YOUR comment isn't satire. Because you are 18% correct.
i laughed at this
@@Tervval2 glad I could make you laugh
Which King George
@@kittycatcrunchie the one who lost the Revolutionary War
I wonder if, in that universe, "Shrek" is their equivalent of "Song of the South"
I really wouldn’t be surprised if it was, and that’d be a really cool dynamic of so.
That's way too smart and aware a reinterpretation of contemporary media for this crap.
but shrek was making fun of disney, is disney a thing too?
Is it not ours?
I could see people defending it by saying "yeah but he's not an ORC, he's an OGRE, you're reading into it too much!" much like people have of Bright, saying the orcs weren't coded black, they were just wearing "popular urban clothes that many people wear".
"You know what they say about the Italians, once with Julius Caesar, always with Julius Caesar"
Julius Caesar was not Italian he was Roman. That's not the same thing
@@NoapeHenah joke ->
your head:
@@alexbattaglia8297 ?
@@alexbattaglia8297Imagine some anime dweeb on a high horse...
@@NoapeHenah
He tried to say that The joke passed over your head
Because you didnt get the joke
If Shrek exists that means Smash Mouth exists. I like to imagine that the lead singer of Smash Mouth is an orc in the "Bright" universe.
Some BODY
isn't he an orc in ours?
I love that. Totally fits
@@ericb7291 Right? Lol
From what little I know of Steve Harwell, I think he'd agree with you.
Lindsay, you clearly don't know how fantasy works.
They had to all stand still at the end because it wasn't their turn in the initiative order yet!
Suddenly I want to see a fantasy movie that actually follows that rpg limited structure, where the characters are aware of it and have struggle through it. It would be hilarious! Kind of like those Star Wars comics that follow the same premise; can't remember the name.
@@MortMe0430 "I grapple."
Everyone else: Darth Vader's "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!"
@@zzyzxsyzygy Darths and Droids.
The creator of the line "Jar Jar, your a genius"
@@MortMe0430 I strongly recommend The Gamers, if you haven't seen it yet. Not quite what you are looking for, but a total blast.
@@MortMe0430 Harry Potter and the Natural 20 has a somewhat similar idea: take a character from a D&D game, which runs on tabletop rules and logic, and transport him into the Harry Potter world, which runs on fantasy literature rules and logic. The results are extremely amusing, and that's even before you mention the hilariously mercenary and rules-driven main character, who doesn't REALLY care about all this plot going on or who these people are, but boy does sticking around this Potter kid net him a LOT of exp.
The movie just drops a centaur in the background and never ever comes back to it
Centaurs are one of the nine races, I'm guessing.
Shoulda been about Centaur Cop.
@@AlexanderDraconis centaur cop
part man, part horse, ALL cop
@@jazzycat8917 What Lindsay points out and what I assumed to be the case after having watched this abomination of a movie, I reckon it's, in descending order of class: Elves, Whites, Blacks, "Mexicans"/Hispanics, idk Asians?,. Centaurs, Orcs and probably Goblins or some shit? But yeah.. they never say anything about that, but I assume the different races of humans count too. Otherwise I would not make it to 9 either
Beansquishy underated comment
"once with the dark lord, always with the dark lord" is such an insane line
its the kind of line someone without a brain would write!
The delivery sells it beautifully
Is the Dark Lord even still a thing in the 21st-century Brightverse?
You want a second dark lord? because thats how you get a second dark lord
Funny how this works for the rings of power too
Imagine someone saying “once with hitler always with hitler” about Germans
The difference is Germany is a major player in world economics and politics. There is no faster way to win someone's grace back than having them want something from you.
John Smith Yeah it's not like that's a common tongue-in-cheek remark or a classic stereotype in any media outside of German media to this day or anything
Along those lines... is there.... NOT anything resembling an Orc Nation? At all? Seems like another missed opportunity.
@@WillBits Hold on, are orcs actually a metaphor for Jews? I mean, a folk without a home nation, still getting crap for something they allegedly did millenia ago.
I mean they're a metaphor for "lesser, violent" races (Tolkien likened them to the "Mongols") but yeah, kinda. More specifically, a LOT of fantasy stories code goblins with the same traits as Jews. (Look at World of Warcraft and Harry Potter, especially). Huge noses, obsession with money, very clever and tricky but physically weak. It's, like, a thing that is actually problematic, even if most fantasy stories aren't really doing it with malice anymore.
If nobody gets the “why didn’t they hire a screenwriter” joke it in reference to the fact that it was written by max landis, a known sexual predator...
Ah thanks, I was so confused. I thought they actually just didn't hire a screenwriter and I was like... why, how did they even make a movie?
Sweetly
Yerp, he’s a real scumbag, whom was also unfortunately on a great episode of redlettermedia that you should watch and not tell anyone.
@@conneroneill8506 IT'S SO FRUSTRATING
He's a total bastard and I can't stomach supporting anything about him
But
That episode is BOTW! Also he made a really good Superman comic that I read before I knew he was a shithead and now I don't want to like it and ahhhhh
@@CasaiAgicap He also made that video back in 2012 about the series of superman comics from the 90s where superman died that is one of the best things on youtube
No lie i didnt know this and didnt think it was weird bc the movie was so bad....... i legit thought that they decided not to have a screenwriter and their movies plot was shit because of that...... the fact that this actually had a screenwriter and is so bad is insane to me
"WHO WERE THE NINE RACES?! WERE MEXICANS PART OF THE 9 RACES?!"
I love that line.
@@lovellofwar that's the joke idiot
@@lovellofwar also they're** as in they ARE not their
From what little I can see, there are Humans, Orcs, Elves...and apparently at least one Centaur cop. So they got four races at least. But that's not even half of them...
@@lovellofwar wtf are you on about? are you 12? you do realize the op was quoting from the video right?
@@josephperez2004 I'm still convinced that fairies actually are one of the nine races and that the fairy violence that no one cares about is the true racism allegory in this movie.
I got into an argument with my partner about Bright today so I’m back watching this again. I can’t stop thinking about Background Centaur Cop. They have Orc affirmative action but none of those bathrooms we see are centaur accessible. How does he go to morning briefing? He can’t get up the stairs. Do they have minimum size requirements for lifts to accommodate centaur citizens? How does this impact city planning and architecture? The big stairs up to city hall at the end are not centaur friendly. Is there a centaur booth at the strip club?
Can orcs and humans have babies? What about elves? You know humans would have tried to smash with every other race by now. I don’t want to think about centaur porn.
That final sentence just triggered a fight or flight reaction so strong I flinched
I think a movie about background centaur cop would have been exponentially better than the one we got. I mean, I'd watch it; but that mostly because I like centaurs :y
In saying that, I could probably answer some of your questions, but some wouldn't be, y'know, "youtube-friendly". Guess you'll be left wondering, unless by some strange circumstance I get drafted to write a sequel or something :'y
@@BlackOrderAlchemist Fun news. I was, as I often find myself, groggily googling about Bright because I started on a tangent in my own head instead of sleeping. (I couldn’t remember seeing female orcs in the movie, but there were some in the background so they probably don’t burst from corrupted earth-wombs like Tolkien orcs). Clicking through the wiki I noticed they mentioned speaking lines from a named centaur, which led to a page about an animated movie in the Bright universe set in Japan after the fall of the Shogunate. Should I be congratulating you on the new job?
You know, half orcs are a dnd classic, and talking about the struggles of mixed race people would be a way to extend the themes of the movie
And when it comes to centaur porn... don't worry, other people have done that thinking for you
@@amiablereaper half-orcs and half-elves too, humans are sluts that will fuck anything that moves
My takeaway from this: Bright is a bad movie, but I would TOTALLY watch an urban fantasy buddy cop movie with Legolas and Gimli.
UrpleSquirrel Pixar did it!
Yeah, the reason I liked this more than it deserved, I think, is that it's such an inherently intriguing premise/elevator pitch. There is an urban-fantasy shaped hole in pop culture aching to be filled in and unfortunately Bright happened to fill it this time.
Shadowrun fans:
Allow us to introduce ourselves
@@SacredDaturaa At least small shapes that don't necessarily fit the holes they're put into can be easily knocked out of them by bigger shapes that do.
Yes. Fanfics are way better on subverting genres. Change my mind.
"See how I glitter!"
VS
"I ate the WHOLE plate."
VS
"I'm losing to a bird!"
VS
"Fairy lives don't matter today."
CHOOSE YOUR DESTINY
InsertCleverNameHere - shouldn't that first one be "do I dazzle you?"
Unless it's not the twilight quote in which case carry on. (I wouldn't even notice except Lindsay's last video pointed it out. XD)
PurpleGhost (all of these quotes given are phrases and clips often used by lindsay in her videos. "See how i glitter" is a reoccuring clip of that badguy from pocahontas)
The whole plate is a much more funny line than the others.
I will take the Whole Plate line. I thought that scene was funny. Funnier then those other Scenes lol
Thot Patrol I think we've found the winner folks
“Were Mexicans one of the nine races?” is basically all the commentary you need to make about Bright’s awful worldbuilding 😂
Ah yes, the mighty legions of Elves, Humans, and Mexicans, allied against the dark lord
@@thisgoddamusernamestoodamnlong we (real born in mx not pochos) mexicans defeat the dark lord :b
"Fairy lives don't matter today"
@@thisgoddamusernamestoodamnlong the mexicans, we are a proud people with a vast amount of variations... in the north you have the wood tejanos and in the gulf you have the high Cubans truly we are a wonderus race.
Weird how humans have all these different languages thanks to linguistic drift over centuries of development, but Orcs and Elves just have one language...
Bright's fucked-up ridiculous fractal of "so apparently that happened in this alternate history for some reason" is exactly the same as when Cars introduced the Car Pope and thus Car Jesus' crucifixion by the Car Roman Empire as being 'a thing that happened'
more
more like
jeepus christ
@@localinternetclown Jesus Chrysler
Holy Father the Opel.
@@kohinarec6580 In nomine _Ferrari,_ et _Audi,_ Spiritus _Susuki._
There was a car world war 2 and that means there was a car hitler who ordered car jews into gas chambers
Why did they ever think that was a good idea? Wtf
“DreamWorks was unsuccessful until Shrek” I know you’re basically right, but my love for Prince of Egypt makes my heart hurt when u said that
Prince of Egypt blew my fucking mind when I was a kid
Not religious but it’s a great story with lots of depth and the animation, song and voice acting is amazing
My hurt was for Sinbad, but same feel.
Cameron Carroll it's one of precious few movies I loved a Christian and still adored after leaving the faith.
It's just BEAUTIFUL. I don't understand how it wasn't more successful; to me it's on par with The Lion King.
The GOOD one.
How about how "The Iron Giant" bombing so hard, it killed WB Animation?
I love the idea of Gimli and Legolas as buddy cops.
If fanfic of this doesn't already exist I will be sorely disappointed
Write it bro
Why couldn't we get that instead of this?
Friends to Lovers, Alternate Universe, Rated Mature, Word Count 60,000
I'd watch that show!
I will never get over the "BE YORCELF" graffiti at 5:11. That's not punk graffiti, that should be a dopey motivational poster on Jakoby's desk
Way too many people in the entertainment industry don’t understand graffiti. I keep seeing elaborate murals being used to indicate urban decay
@@blakchristianbale Because the presence of elaborate murals which poor people paint on other people's property is an indication of the parts of urban life _they_ like decaying.
Which parts are those? Um...let's change the subject.
@@timothymclean poor people don’t paint elaborate murals on other people’s property, full murals take days to finish. In fact my issue with them is that they *don’t* indicate urban decay, they’re actually a sign of gentrification if anything
Mikey the orc sounds like a joke DnD character lmfao
Or maybe an npc from The Adventure Zone who was named after someone on Twitter, because that’s how they name their npcs.
A great DnD Character alongside Torbophile the Dwarf
@@cursedalien I was legit about to make that joke before I saw the replies!
thats kinda how i read the whole movie. i thought it was a comedy lol
"Hey, you never named your PC" "Um....Mikey?" "Fine, good enough"
There are centaurs in that universe... Are there cars for them? do they just work walk everywhere? Were they trafficked bc they're half horse? Can you ride them, or is that considered racism? There was also a reference to lizard people. Are they evolved from a dragon? how does evolution work here?.... Ah shit, I've fallen into a rabbit hall
No, no. Let's keep going. We might actually make "modern fantasy" a legit genre
“You see reins? Chains? They’re already grounded, so let’s not get the police and involved. Being their new landlord is enough of a burden for me... I JUST SAID THAT WORD.”
[WHISTLE]
“Stop whistling at me or I will buy your shares, Moradin! Keep driving home with their bikes!”
Actually my 20H alternative history fiction has a lot of humor when bunches of fantasy races end up in random Earth locations
I suppose it's okay to ride a centaur as long as it's consentual, at least that's how it's presented in stories featuring centaurs.
As for lizard people and dragons, my theory is that they're not related to each other any more than a human is related to a polar bear; they're just both reptiles, that's all; maybe direct descendants of dinosaurs.
"Onward" actually handles this reasonably well.
Let's not forget that the elf woman was introduced as a bright. Then the movie forgot about it just to reveal that the elf woman was a bright later as a twist
they were hoping Netflix and chill would kick in and people wouldn't even be watching for the first reveal.
@@popcorn8153 would have been weird considering I watched this with my sister the first time
@@duplicarus Are you from Alabama by any chance?
We knew it all along, but for the main characters it was a surprise. That's often how it is in movies. Thought it worked well.
I think what frustrates many people about Bright is that "fantasy creatures in a contemporary setting" actually sounds like a novel and fresh idea in a genre that is dominanted by medieval stasis.
I honestly love that concept of Bright. I find medieval settings to be a bore so I love when film makers do something different. But I also like continuity and obvious continuity mistakes bother me a to a point where they ruin a movie/show for me.
Making this a Shadowrun movie would have solved a lot of problems.
There are plenty of much more modern or non-medieval setting fantasy books out there, that just don't see the light of day (and whether or not they're actually good is debatable). And there's definitely a lot of manga and anime that mix fantasy with a modern setting.
The inherent problem is that you can't have a modern, real world setting without implying the history that came with, and there's only four ways to go around it: the Secret World where the history is just ignored (which is fine as long as there's an adequate explanation for why normal humans can't do or see magical stuff), fully integrate the fantasy into the real-world (like, say, Hitler and the Nazis were all vampires, dragons were used by the British Empire as biological aircraft (aka the Temeraire series), that sort of thing), the modern setting is purely aesthetic, or the fantasy stuff happened recently.
The MCU and DCEU can more or else get away with referencing movies and pop culture stuff because they don't contradict the history behind any of them, or real world historical events for that matter, and the stuff that's a little paradoxical (like MCU Tony referencing the LOTR movies when the real Cate Blanchett and Karl Urban play Hela and Skurge respectively in the MCU film Thor Ragnorok) can honestly just be chalked up to the fact that either the MCU humans named Cate Blanchett and Karl Urban look completely different than their irl counterparts, or they don't exist and the parts for Galadriel and Eomer were played by other MCU humans).
@@cuindless189not really. It would have just added RoboCop into the mix.
Honestly a lot of urban fantasy is cop or cop adjacent and it's annoying. It's very difficult to really explore these alternate realities when the person supposed to explore them treats extrajudicial murder as a first response
The two most known fantasy races: Orcs and Black.
Don't forget the third race: Mexican
Also aboriginal Australians
@The one and only okay
I laughed so hart on this loool
@The one and only It does exist, you just have to BELIEVE!
there's a lot to be learned from bright.
for example me and my gangbanger friends are going to start embroidering our gang's name on the front of our hats
To be honest... I kind of love that trope where a group or organisation just has merchandise for no reason. Like this, or SHIELD in the Marvel movies. It never makes sense and it always makes me laugh.
@@leoseling4413 I mean, there is something of a real-world equivalent like NASA mission patches or the military emblazoning their identifiers onto every single piece of equipment, but those also serve a viable function that their fictional counterparts don't except to give the audience a quick visual confirmation of which character to root for during action scenes.
"Wear yo' scarf, bitch! It's cold out, and I'm worried about you." - Paraphrase of Ron Funches impersonating a caring gangsta.
Well... i'm a criminologist, this is an actual thing that gangs do. They present their "colours" which is where the term "colour gangs" comes from. Hells angels wear patches, hells angels charter groups (trainer groups) wear patches with RANKS on them, crips and bloods wear specific items and tattoos to easily determine who is who at a glance and make a presence of power in an area.
This is... actually something that happens.
Nah niggas legit do that. I got a brother who’s blood and three cousins who all bang, and they legit have bounty Hunter blood hats and hoodies. That’s one part of the movie that accurate
i can't believe fucking Roger Rabbit is a better racial allegory exploring systemic oppression than a movie that was rewritten to be racially conscious
@Caitlyn Carvalho I'd say it does it quite well, as the core isn't that Team Plasma is bad or necessarily even have a bad ideal, but it's rotten in the core because Ghetsis has ulterior motives beyond Pokémon rights and freedoms. This is contrasted to N, who genuinely believes the ideology of the group until he meets the player character and feels the affection their Pokémon have for them, which makes him begin to look inward towards the core because it contradicts the teachings of Team Plasma and - more importantly - Ghetsis.
Team Plasma and its members aren't inherently evil, but they're being manipulated by a powerful individual with ulterior motives. Think of how many ideologies in the world world this makes parallel to, groups with good people and even a good ideology, but is paradoxically a force for bad because a bad but powerful person is using the good intentions of others for their own selfish ends.
I can, Who Framed Roger Rabbit is really good film
Roger Rabbit is an absolute masterpiece
Nobody who writes something that's meant to be "conscious of social issues" knows how to make a movie. They know how to put social issues on a screen. Thing is, you have to put the real world through a bunch of lenses before it becomes a movie that isn't annoying to watch, and in turn you get to make a much deeper statement because you're no longer hitting the audience over the head with "this thing bad" and can explore the cause, effect, and relatability across perspectives.
@@SnepperStepTVI mean it’s a bold and hilarious choice to declare that Francis ford Coppola and Ted Kotcheff and Jordan Peele and Wayne Wang know nothing about making movies, I’m sure that’s definitely a credible opinion we should trust lmfao. Definitely can’t be that insincere corporate engagement with ANY theme including tokenism produces crap the way it always has throughout the history of cinema.
I've just realized one thing.
Jakoby blasts in the car heavy metal and Ward turns it off with "we will not be listening to orkish music"
So Orcs like heavy metal. That is their genre.
THEN WHY DO THEY ALL WEAR DURAGS AND HAVE HIP-HOP INSPIRED URBAN GANGSTA FLAVA?!
Maybe its like surburban white kids who like rap and their parents are like "'Nooo! why not wholesome American country music in my good Christian household?'
So in this universe it's "Son, this is a [insert death metal band (I'm sorry I can't think of any atm)] house and I will not have you crip walking all over our values."
Or it's just random and the guys who made it never gave it a second thought, and Netflix just green-lit every semi decent idea back then anyways. It's just lazily cobbled together, as the video explained.
@@Jonathanizer nofunallowed.jpg
The song is "Hammer Smashed Face" by Cannibal Corpse and it is likely a nod to the singer, George "Corpsegrinder" Fisher being a devoted Orc player in WOW. There was a character named after him in the game for a period of time though he was removed after some tasteless comments by Fisher.
@@SplitMutton I guess that Tomb of the Mutilated is Cannibal Corpse’s most well known album, but couldn’t they have chosen a song that actually has Corpsegrinder on vocals?
I think the biggest sting about Bright, to me at least, is how much of a waste it was. You have this interesting premise of a medieval fantasy progressing to modern day and you waste it by making a standard buddy cop movie with poorly written racial stuff thrown in. To me, the idea of a "what if a medieval fantasy world progressed to modern day" kind of genre is interesting and can lend itself to a lot of potential stories. And Bright wastes that potential.
"what if a medieval fantasy world progressed to modern day" Watch Angel the series, Angel basically is a knight. Buffy also borrows from King Arthur
This is the focus of urban fantasy as a setting, and I have to admit, it's probably my favorite trope ever.
I liked the buddy cop movie non-grimdark Shadowrun bit. :( The elves needed to be way more Drow and obviously chaotic evil race. I'd take a lady Drizzt being the Bright over the piece of knife-eared cardboard we got.
The thing is, i think that Bright’s premise has a lot of potential of course. Imagine all of the stories that could be told about this fantasy Lord of the rings version of our modern society, but we see these stories from the perspective of two cops making their way through this original world. It’s very interesting, but the thing is the only way to bring out all of the potential of this idea is to make Bright into a SHOW not a MOVIE. Imagine how much more fleshed out the characters and the world-building would be if this would be a TV series like the Witcher. It would certainly be less rushed than this two hour movie that barely tries to fit everything in. Because let’s be honest there’s too much material in this world and it’s not possible to make it into something tangible and interesting in a movie because a movie isn’t long enough to truly show us how this world shines. And also, if it was a show and they would have more time to develop an interesting story over time it would make us care about the characters way more because we’d see them more often. And the story could be something interesting not some dumb cliche shit like “the main character is the chosen one because of events that happened 2000 years ago that we never got to see” The dark lord’s return ,dragons, politics, social statuses, the rulers of this new world, Jirak and his legacy, the war, other races that are only teased in the movie. These are all concepts that could be brought to life in different episodes it has so much potential to be a long running series but Netflix decided to completely waste what is arguably one of their most original ideas.
That about sums up why I hate the Purge series too, especially the first one; take a truly interesting premise rife with the potential to explore many aspects of humanity and they turned it into a basic home invasion story.
Bright could have been as intricate and intriguing of a world as Shadowrun, but nope, it's Bad Boys if Martin Lawrence had blue skin and fangs.
it's confusing how nobody in the film comments on the fact that the dark lord was an elf, but nobody's racist against elves
I hate to be the guy to fulfill Godwin's Law, but easily one of the most hated historical figures, Hitler, was white. But people don't impose his moral failings on white people at large. The same concession is given to elves in Bright.
Not defending the ridiculousness that is this movie, just saying that aspect wasn't so odd to me.
I'm guessing that people already didn't like orcs and the whole siding with the Dark Lord thing just justified their hatred, at least in their eyes.
Just like the real life
@@JesusIzAPunkRocker It's not about white people. Hitler was a German and people still make fun of/insult Germans because of that.
And the one that defeated him was an Orc but yet they're still treated like shit.
I'll never forget being a Mexican American kid, growing up in texas, and everuday someone giving me shit for the Alamo.
Mexicans won the battle fo the Alamo.
What's the Alamo; sorry, I've forgotten.
@@baronvonbeandip though you’ll likely not see this comment the Battle of the Alamo was a battle in San Antonio in the Alamo which was originally a Spanish missionary building for native Americans. The battle was between Texan rebels and Santa Anna the leader of Mexico. The Texans army was vastly outnumbered and surrounded so they hid out in the Alamo. In the end after many days the Mexican army slaughtered all of the rebels with many of those who died like Davy Crockett and Stephen F Austin becoming martyrs and the “remember the Alamo” became a rallying cry amoung the rebels.
Sully Madres I feel like adding, the “Texan rebels” who where Americans where considered invaders by the Mexicans, who owned the territory where the Alamo was at the time.
@@AmayaBloblaya you are entirely right. I just didn't want to start a comment war.
The fact they could’ve named it belferly hills is a heartbreak I will never recover from
oh my god you're right
Also if Shrek exists in Bright, is that like the Orc equivalent of Song of the South?
Oh hell that's nothing: if magic is real and Disney exists, most of Disney's output would be ham-handed racial allegories in the bright universe.
Oh, don't be silly. Shrek is an ogre, not an orc.
LegoK9 yeah he's an ogre not orc, those orctards just want to complain about people making jokes that they are like Shrek. It's harmless fun
Oh, so you think all Orcs and Ogres look the same? Check your privilege, man! #UrbanGanstaFlava
Ogres and Orcs aren't really the same thing.
I do, however, see Lord of the Rings being Birth of a Nation.
You're not overthinking this Lindsay. I've run D&D games with more thought put into the world than Bright, and I'm a lazyass DM.
The urban arcana setting is a much better world.
@@squattingheads Different players enjoy different styles of worldbuilding. A good example of a complex world working well for the players is Exandria (Crit Role)
I recently had this idea since watching this essay and learning more about the subject of coding in fantasy, about a campaign where instead of the white European culture being the default “regular” people that they would be replaced by the warforged and another culture of humans would be the default culture and “regular” people setting. My thought for this stemmed from the idea of “well if orcs get allegorized as African or Asian people what could we use to do the same with white” and the best answer I can get for a honestly pointless attempt at a balancing of the scales would be “hey how about the warforged?”
@@squattingheads And the MASSIVE problem of how it's literally our world but you dumped fantasy races in it, claimed they were there the entire time and did literally nothing to reflect how massive a change this would be to society.
For example, centaur cops. Not only do they run around with their dicks out (ffs) but there does not seem to be any form of transport that accommodates them. So if they wanted to go anywhere they'd have to gallop. And that's not even touching the houses.
Theres also dragons. Dragons existing would be a pretty gigantic deal but they are a blink and you'd miss it thing in Bright. Society apparently doesn't care about massive, flying, fire breathing reptiles.
Theres tonnes of this in Bright, I could go on. And honestly, I actually liked Bright, I think theres real potential there. It just feels so goddamn lazy.
This isnt even touching pacing and consisteny issues with the plot either.
@@niallreid7664 Here's your fault..you're putting our ACTUAL reality into a movie reality that is just based on our reality.
There is a perfectly good fantasy explanation for all of that.
In ANY fantasy, how many transportation systems is there for centaurs? They are conditioned to travel where need be.
And what you don't see, but can easily guess, is if there are us humans and the world we do know..there are also horses. And if there are horses, there are transportations for them. And it's not hard to imagine that with the ability we have to have trucks carrying huge tires on the back that extend past the container roof...then there could also be trucks that transport Centaurs in the same manner as I, a marine vet, was transported while in Iraq.
In huge trucks.
Everything doesnt have to be seen if it's that easy to just "poof" in your mind. And it SHOULD have been that easy.
Dragons...we also have sharks, bears, tigers...Africans have coexisted with lions forever. The point...maybe in this reality Dragons only bother you if they really felt the need to. Maybe they are more docile than your imagination...you do have to understand that this movie wasn't YOUR imaginative creation. so Maybe who DID imagine it saw it as, "Sure, they're dangerous, but they don't have to be so extra about it".
MAYBE...knowing that the main plot is about magic....maybe there exists a level of magic that is peripheral....a barrier of sorts. And either prevents dragons from entering areas or at the very least makes the dragon somewhat docile..or just less aggressive.
Again...it's an easy concept to get seeing as how this IS a fantasy world And the main plot is literally about magic.
And the main complaint that actually should've gotten you to not even complain anymore...if these fantasy characters have been here all the time...how can it be a change at all?
Think about it...it's just that reality now.
To YOU...in our actual reality...all of those elements would be extroidinary and therefore we react as such.
But in this reality, it just is. That's it. Just them, there, time happens as it is.
Hitler attacks using dragons and enslaved Centaurs maybe.
Maybe Japan attacked Pearl Harbor using Fairies as inside semi-spies/attackers. No different than the many experiments we have done with animals. Give those animals somewhat higher maneuverability and intelligence, and maybe they can be used as suicidal grunts at least.
So..no the world doesn't have to be so drastically affected...or maybe it already was. It's just already settled now.
Overall, your main problem seems to really be, "It's not a fantasy in the way that DnD, or King's Field, or Magic the Gathering is fantasy"
But that was lliterally the point. To be different than that. And it actually works well when you don't try so hard to be against it. And you gotta admit, you really are trying too hard to be against it. Every complaint is very easily solved by using slight comprehension about what is, and using your own knowledge of fanstasy then adding the fact that every movie asks you to fill in a few things cause the movie is maybe 2hrs...it cannot show you every single damn thing
"Ah, yes, the Alamo. When the Uruk-hai swarmed into Texas. I remember it well."
"Fell deeds awake. Now for wrath, now for ruin and the red dawn!" -William B. Travis, probably.
Those brave Hobbits defended that castle valiantly.
We invaded the Lannisters even though it was Daenerys and her dragons who brought down the World Trade Center :( ...
Don't forget about when elves gassed all those dwarves back in the 30s
*40s, but still, good one
I remember being amused by the general premise as I watched Bright, but constantly wishing that Will Smith's asshole character didn't exist and that Jakoby was the bright instead.
"I'm part German so whenever I bring it up people start mentioning the holocaust..."
Is a more plausible line than "Mexicans still get blamed for the Alamo"
Robert Cullins I never hear people say “remember the Alamo” as anything more than as a call to overcome impossible odds or that Americans can win out over foreign adversaries. That being said i am Mexican in California and that’s not Texas where the battle actually took place.
I mean that can be explained by temporal proximity. People today can still remember someone who went through the holocaust and there are still holocaust survivors alive. The movie tried to find an example of stuff that happened so long ago that nobody directly affected by it is relevant today, which should have tipped them off on how nonsensical that premise was.
Tatatory I’m Texan and I’ve never heard of anyone hating Mexicans because of the Alamo. The Mexican attackers at the Alamo aren’t really associated with modern day Mexicans anymore than we associate modern day Brits with the ones from the American Revolution. If you told me a Texan hated Mexicans because of the Alamo I’d assume it was from a parody.
@@merrittanimation7721 Lol what are the Mexicans supposed to get hated on even back then? Defending their homeland stolen by foreigners that were given land on an agreement that they didn't complied with? That's like hating Ireland for wanting to end occupation
@@Ivanmaradonaaa That was exactly the reason. Also the general dictatorial direction Mexico was going in at the time, but that was kinda minor in the grand scheme of things.
Jakoby should have been the Bright, and the fact that he wasn't was the biggest disappointment of this film to me.
I know, right?! It’s stated in the film that most Brights were elves while very little were human, so that means there was never an orc Bright. He could’ve been the first! It would’ve made the ending so much better.
I nether noticed that it said he wasn't a Bright and wasn't the Ork that beat The Dark Lord in the backstory a Bright?
@@leep9078 He was a legendary hero who united the 9 races against the dark lord. I don't recall any mention of him being a bright.
@@treacherousjslither6920 My comment was a while ago so my resoning is a little hazy now but wasn't it said that only a Bright could beat the Dark Lord?
The point is that we all agree there were better literary seeds than 'Magic Hater becomes Chosen One Harry Potter during the climax". Jirak and the Dark Lord, Jakoby being a bright, or the first orc bright, or maybe Jirak being one and Jakoby becoming one being tied to a reveal that orc brights have been a think, and/ir Jirak was one...all of these have untapped or superior literary potential than another Human as Savior story. Even before jumping into Shadowrun possibilities snd stuff, there were better stories to tell with the premise and in the world they settled on with the material presented.
I mean, technically Aslan is not allegory.
He is canonically, explicitly jesus christ.
WHAT
Yeah that's true at the end of voyage of the dawn treder aslen tells the children" My name in your world is Jesus Christ..." if true that means....hmmmm......does not compute.....
@@kafkabigmon What the Crasher said.
Thought Aslan was God and Peter Pevensie was jesus
Well someone took the Lamb becoming the Lion literally.
I want to like the idea of modern, urban fantasy, but seeing a LAPD officer say the words "dark lord" unironically is too much for me.
Extremely late, but still. I think its because we dont say it this way in the real world unless we are already following them. To use the obvious example, most people refer to the nazi leader as "hitler" and not "the führer". In fact, referring to him as "the führer" kinda implies that you respect him/look up to him/follow his worldview. So people referring to the character as "the dark lord" while being fundamentally opposed to him just doesnt work. Why respect the most evil humanoid that ever lived?
If even J.K. Rowling manages to do that correctly (with the added layer of "he who must not be named"), then it is an embarrasement if bright cant.
@@itsonlyafleshwound9024i mean, magic exists so there might be superstition about saying his name. also dark lord has a meaning in English, unlike Führer, so calling him that casts him as the bad guy
@@senecavermeulen8110führer means leader
@@War_is_cool it doesn’t have a meaning in English besides as a synonym for Hitler
@@senecavermeulen8110 Not really how it works
As a Mexican I can confirm I get a lot of shit for the Alamo
Except I don't, not once has anyone ever mentioned The Alamo to me
I’m pretty sure Mexicans in Texas don’t get shit for the Alamo. Like seriously, I live in Texas and I’ve never heard that shit once.
Not Applicable SELENA GOMEZ OMG 😂😂
I have no idea who told Max Landis that was a thing. Whoever told Landis that was a thing is a crazy person, and Landis is incredibly sheltered for believing that crazy person.
So they forgot the Alamo?
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If the Orcs had had unique ethic dress and mannerisms it would have made more sense. Giving them generic inner city gangs was pretty lazy.
Especially because "orc music" is explicitly mentioned, but there are no other references to orc culture at all.
To the ethnic dress and mannerisms, in 2000 years with the races being integrated within the society would it make sense for them to have their own dress codes? Take for example Japan a nation isolated up until 1853 by choice mind you, within the less than 200 years that they were forced to open their borders they currently have a western way of dress. Yet there is still a difference as Japan is currently a nation, one with their own borders, and a national culture with values. For orcs in bright, you see a strong sense of belonging to clans, a more hunter/trophy based motif while in homes(Antler throne in the scene with Jakoby getting killed along with the other decorations.)
Now let's look at the way different races interact in a melting pot, either you fit in with those around you or you get pushed out. It's why different groups dress the same way, for instance, the classic goth uniform of dark clothing, with shiny bits of metal along with steel-toed boots, bikers wearing leather jackets, vests with patches to show what club they are from along with denim, or on wall street how most workers shifted(without it being mandatory or stated) from an expensive suit and tie to Vest, dress shirt and slacks after the 2008 financial crisis. These shifts to accept the cultures around you and adapt happen naturally. So expecting a race that seems to have been disbursed after the fall of the dark lord, keeping cultural clothing without adapting is fairly lazy thinking.
Simple, it would be unnecessarily awkward and would prevent the suspension of disbelief.
#racialcoding
@@Demortra If this was a real world and the human cultures dominated, simply because there were more of them, different generations of orcs, would handle it differently. I think it's possible that certain, traditional dress codes, would disappear. Get overwhelmed if you will. Certain behaviors would change. Same for humanity.
The nine races: Humans, Elves, Orcs, Centaurs, Goblins, Dwarfs, Ogres, Reptilians, Mexicans.
Ah yes.... perfectly clear. Remember that Jorge.
Fairies. Don't forget fairies
@@BihagDave I don't know about them. You heard Will Smith.
Oh, hi.
@@BihagDave
Since when did their lives matter?
@JoeRingo118 I play paladins so if Mexicans get a bonus to charisma without taking hits to Str or Con I am so there...
I always say, "The best example is a bad example,"
So thank you Bright, for being so bad an example someone had to make a 45 minute mental breakdown of what not to do when world building.
If you want a great example of what not to do, watch Fateful Findings. It's is legitimately the worst piece of content I've ever consumed. Everything about it is bad. From start to finish. I mean like it literally doesn't have redeeming qualities in my opinion. It's not even so bad it's good! It's just bad!
@@spookzer16 You have piqued my interest. Can you offer me an example or two to whet my palate?
@@niklausvenzendt All the women in the movie love the main character who I believe is also the director of the movie, the acting is terrible, and the plot is nonsensical. He feels like a Marty Stu.
@@spookzer16 gotta love a good self-insert.
I think what's most frustrating about movies like this are that they PRETEND that they're saying "stereotypes are bad", and then turn around and say "let's make orcs/aliens/etc into a black/latin america/asian stereotype!" It's insincere and phony.
Yeah, and it's so common. Fuckin bigots.
The weirdest thing is that, orcs aren't just a stereotype of black people, they are also a stereotype of Germans with the hole "worked with the dark lord" thing they have
@@MrPF Lol I beg to differ.
@@MrPF I agree. The orcs were a hodgepodge of racist stereotypes. I personally saw the orcs in this movie as being an allegory for middle easterners. Not black people. Linzers here fairly makes the assumption, due to the muddied act of overlaying fantasy species upon our real world, that Christianity was still a thing that existed in it. Think about it. Everybody hates orcs, except for the one orc that was a savior. People in America are terrified of middle easterners, except for the 1 middle easterner, Jesus, who was a savior. ( I don't personally subscribe to that nonsense, religion is just fanfiction that got way the fuck outta control.) Perhaps the creators intended that. Maybe we were meant to personalize the orcs, as being whomever it was we see as being unfairly disenfranchised. Or maybe this was simply a suspend your disbelief romp, that WAS lazily put together, that warrants no further in-depth analysis.
there not pretending stereotypes are bad they never said that that's just what you wanted them to say. what they are actually doing is showing the issues of today from multiple perspectives in an alternative universe it's not that complicated everyone just needs to stop trying to make it about this race or that place it's about everything and everyone that's why it's an alternative UNIVERSE
I have a question.... in the Bright universe, do the human cops ride their centaur cop partners when they patrol the streets, or do they have a special cop car with a horsey carriage in the back? 🤔
Centaur cops taken the cavalary part entiraly since is cheaper to maintain only one person that one human and a horse.
Centaur cops would be like horse-mounted police in our world: they would patrol their area on foot, mainly crowd control and downtown/urban policing, based in a nearby precinct. To transport them long distances a horse trailer or similar would be used. I can't believe I thought about this.
Well we do see a centaur cop for a few seconds with no partner on him, so I guess theres one answer.
I remember reading a web comic called Modern Mogal (shorted for Modern Monster Girl) despite the name it’s more of a comedic exploration of a world inhabited my monsters alongside people and the core cast happens to be mostly female monsters. Theirs a Dragon Couple the dad is a terrifying looking Dragon who’s also a giant nerd that got into the acting business because his hero is Godzilla and his wife is easily twice his size and constantly forgets how big she is and their daughter is a lawyer. (Dragons in the world are somewhat humanoid but and least about twice the size of an average person)
theirs a mother who was bitten by a werewolf when she was younger and they went through a court case convicting the werewolf of the crime of forceful infection (it was treated like an allegory of a rap3 case) and she would eventually marry the lawyer that helped her win the case. She worries that her daughter might have inherented the werewolf curse from her but they won’t know until she becomes old enough for it to take hold.
That same mother keeps the secret from her daughter to try and help her live a normal life and the daughter makes friends with a Vampire kid who’s family whole family can smell the werewolf on their kids new friend and don’t trust her or her mother. Not being full blown racist but absolutely biased.
I could go on but it’s a fun read
@@Broomer52 I love Modern Mogal :y
The centaur ladies are my favorites; the one with the cop who was surveiling a suspect and had to disguise herself as a playground horsey got me pretty good
Whenever they talk about Jirak and the Dark Lord, I just think, "That sounds like a way better movie. Why aren't I watching that movie?"
Something wicked this way comes is me agreeing with you. Why the hell is that not the story? But then again, a directionless movie without a script wouldn't recognize this unless they set it up from the start!!!!
To be fair you can say similar things about a good number of movies. The epic battle at the beginning of Gladiator is the best part of the movie. Why can't the whole movie be about Russell Crowe being a badass General fighting the Visigoths or whoever instead of what it's actually about.
Because that's just a generic fantasy story. You've seen that story before a dozen different ways. It wouldn't be interesting.
Because then you'd be watching LOTR.
@@TheDanteEX Except it wouldn't be, in LoTR and Narnia, the forces of good vs. evil are clearly set and never change, with an outsider (the Hobbits or the Kids) coming in, while Jirak is an 'outsider' he's still an Orc. There's a big difference there
Having never seen the movie, I just now realized that the whole "Jakoby gets shot and then revived" could have been a moment to help show off the advancement of the relationship between him and Ward. Like Ward is angry and upset to show that he cares and then post-revival, he quips "How are all your holes?" as a call back to earlier in the movie. But rather than it being something 'awkward', it's a more of a legitimate concerned question of "How's the hole in your chest from getting shot?" while also being a possible 'ha ha that's funny' quip.
They should of gone full gangsta flava and had drive by hobbits with hogweed pipes
Fucking hell that’s amazing
“What if the Orcs...”
“Yeah, yeah, okay, keep going”
“...were black people?”
“...that’s GENIUS.”
Reminds me of Detroit: Become Human.
DO YOU GET IT!? THE ROBOTS SIT IN THE BACK OF THE BUS!
@@jackgebhardt2932Detroit is about as subtle as someone screaming SLAVERY IS BAD into your face
SPAKELDORF GUYS! THEY SPRAYED WE HAVE A DREAM ON THE WALL! GET IT? ITS LIKE THE CIVIL RIGHTS MOVEMENT! GET IT? THEY’RE LIKE AFRICAN AMERICANS (despite racism being about physical and biological differences that don’t matter while androids are literally different from humans but whatever)
If the Orcs are Black People then what are the Black People?
@@Fenris30 Maybe...they're the REAL Orcs? #message
90% of what I watch on Netflix I would NEVER pay to see. That's what Netflix is for.
But you do pay for Netflix, don't you?
@@basic5926 nope, I'm a parasite on my cousin's account. 😳 don't tell Netflix.
@@basic5926 I partly agree with you, but if you compare the cost of watching a movie in cinema to the amount of content you can get for a monthly fee on netflix is very different.
So while you might pay something to watch Netflix, it's mostly binge-able content compared to this "event" that cinema still is (as in, you have to make plans, you buy tickets, go there...) and I'm not sure if most of the audience would go out to see it.
The only thing I would ever pay for is Bojack Horseman.
It still has some good shows. It's not perfect but for what is worth is pretty good and I'm not gonna cancel my membership anytime soon.
Imagine not just using the line “fairy lives don’t matter today” but HAVING A BLACK MAN SAY IT. What the hell Bright?!
I think they thought they couldn’t say it otherwise and reeeeeeeally wanted to get that “joke” in.
Crash seemed like it was made by someone who learned everything they know about racism from an after-school special.
This needs more thumbs.
I’m black and watched this with my family we all hated it and turned it off as soon as the credits rolled
@@noblechief4023 crash or bright? Could be either 😂
@@snatchednefkin Crash, i haven't seen bright yet.
For my English exam in my last year of high school I wrote a lazy essay about how "Crash shows that racism is bad" and got top marks for it lol
I think Jacoby was supposed to yell "I can't, I'm out!" because he ran out of ammo. But the actor and director both misinterpreted the line so he just kinda sighs "I'm out" like he wants to go home and take a nap.
and that single statement just made me understand how a movie can be written one way and executed another. Thankyou
almost, its fatigue and despair, "im out of bullets there is nothing we can do they won", not "its late imma head out"
_Why didn't they hire a screenwriter?????_
I wonder if he wasn’t given full context or something, in a lot of games you get lines like that which sound super off because the author just got the line rather than the scene script. Although it seems this is a film so that is unlikely, although stuff like the infamous Hercules “DISAPPOINTED!” still happened.
What gets me is this scene has been done a thousand times before in a way that works. Hero holds up gun to villain, pulls trigger, and then *click* of the empty chamber. Then maybe a reaction shot where they try cocking the gun again or go "Oh shit" or whatever. That has tension and then the opportunity to show despair or play it up for a laugh.
But here, Jacoby is aiming the gun at her and then... just sorta goes "Gosh whoops I'm outta ammo". So... he knew the whole time his gun was empty, and was just fucking around aiming it? Like, he wasn't doing it to try and bluff that he was going to shoot her instead? Nah, he was just out of ammo and was playing around and then got sad when he was called out on it. It's so bizarrely shot and acted and makes no sense.
I recently learned of an indie game called Coffee Talk.
It’s about you running a late-night coffee shop in a world with fantasy races during the modern day. And it easily handles the concept of “Fantasy Races in the Modern Day” MUCH better than this movie (including the idea of fantasy racism through one of its plot lines).
If you want to play it, it’s available on all major platforms along with it’s sequel. It’s a visual novel, so the gameplay isn’t tasking. If you don’t have time for it or can’t afford it, I recommend the readthrough by Jello Plays Games. They not only play it, but fully voice every character, so you can treat it kinda like a podcast. Of course, if you can/want to, support the original creators by buying the game, but treat the readthrough as a backup/alternative.
It’s worth your time more than Bright or it’s possible sequel.
added both to my steam wishlist. thanks for the reccomendation.
found this comment again today. bought both of the games since the last reply, but i haven’t gotten to playing them yet.
@@localinternetclownu are cute
"Once with the Dark Lord, always with the Dark Lord" is another great example of "You can type this shit but you can't say it"
If you look closely, you can see the actor choking on his own bile as he say sit.
It's just so lazy and bad.
And isn't it totaly undercut with the whole jirak thing ?
i laughed out loud when she cut to that
Hey you know what never works in any setting?
Creating a race of people who are a metaphor for black people, but also having black people.
Well, it can show the ridiculousness of racism, to show that the racism against them has no logical reasoning behind it, like a version of moving the goalposts. Oh, we have orcs to be racist against, so we don't need to be racist against black people.
But to make it work, I don't think the black people can be just like real life black peope, since they'll have an entirely different history.
I know, it always turns out disastrously.
Yeah, it'd be like having Stalin turn up in Animal Farm.
What about the Black people in Zootopia?
That salt mine scene was weird. Odd no one else remembers it.
@@S.E.J
Eh, the X-Men aren't a metaphor for black people, they're a unique group with some equivalence. Hence Magneto being a Jewish Auschwitz survivor and relating that directly to humanity's response to mutants. They're not a one-to-one equivalent to any group.
For a movie titled "Bright" it isn't well lit or intelligent.
My favourite of all the comments.
This is such an underrated comment.
This film is like the exact opposite of our lovely intelligent Lindsay.
It's wot you call, one of 'em ironic nicknames!
Instead, it should have been called " ".
When you have *fucking Harry Potter* as a positive example of worldbuilding compared to your movie, you know that you've messed up
There's been something about the graffiti in Bright that's bothered me since the first moment I saw it and I only just realized what it is.
*It's all the same style!*
All that graffiti was done by one person with one style, which just looks bizarre to anyone who knows how graffiti works. It should all be different and disparate, everything from random words to gang names and signs to abstract art and whatever the fuck else.
But they hired one artist and they did all of it. Oh well.
I’ll add my own criticism:
It honestly doesn’t look like realistic graffiti at all to me because it’s actually comprehensible and legible.
Yeah you can actually tell what the words say. That's what happens when you use graffiti as exposition and not any of the reasons people actually create graffiti.
I'm so glad I'm not the only one who was bothered by that. I mean, had nobody making the movie seen actual graffiti before, or are they just that cheap? What they show looks like a bunch of murals with the same content created by the same person. That doesn't feel like what they intended at all, and it's obviously lazy that they couldn't bother to get multiple graffiti/street artists with differing styles to create individual pieces. It doesn't have to look like an illegible graffiti tag, but for crying out loud at least TRY for even the tiniest bit of authenticity. That at least would have made the scene more varied and visually interesting, and there are countless incredibly talented street and graffiti artists across the country who would have loved the opportunity to have their work seen by such a large audience.
That reminds me of the film Funny People where everybody's stand up routines sounded like they came from the exact same writer.
That's a really great point.
As someone who spent almost a year working on the editing (assistant editor) of Bright... thank you for summing up everything that I hated about it. 🤪
I had to watch it over a hundred times, and every time I thought, “what a waste”
Oh also, fun fact: They actually shot Wards relationship with his wife as it was written, with them being estranged. But initial test audience reactions found her “too bitchy” so they completely rewrote and reshot her character. Yeah, the movie was almost finished and they decided to completely rewrite his wife and essentially his motivation. Bad.
I respect the hell out of you criticizing something you worked so hard on.
I agree with Nick: serious respect for you and thanks for insider information! Was their any other test audience responses that changed the film (for better or worse?)
@@richardbourton4523 There were a few other little things, but the other big one I remember was that the test audience didn't like Tikka's (Lucy Fry) voice so they completely dubbed over her voice with the version you hear in the final film. Her original voice was higher, more childlike, and didn't have a weird accent to it. :P
@@taylortriesotterclub7907 wow that’s quite major! I think that’s such an odd thing to do, it’s such a big part of an actor’s performance to be stripped away. Test audiences have a lot of power then it seems. This is such a cool opportunity to ask about a film’s production! If you don’t mind me prying further: was there something you really loved about the film, which you were pleased stayed in or which you were upset didn’t make it? Were there any changes you thought really improved the film?
@@richardbourton4523 Yeah it was a real shame. Changing her voice happened at the very last second, and I thought it made the whole scene with Tikka explaining everything unwatchable. Her voice was a bit weird before, but the final voice is much worse in my opinion.
As for what I liked/didn't like: My favorite scenes were always the more grounded ones where the actors are just conversing. I love the scenes with Jakoby and Ward talking in the car and was glad those stayed pretty consistent throughout. And I really liked the original scene with Sherry and Ward in the kitchen. It was really well acted and did a great job showing the complicated pressure that Ward felt in the relationship that would lead to him feeling hopeless enough to pursue the rest of the plot. There weren't any massive changes that I felt were hugely helpful, but there were snippets removed here and there to cut down on time that I think helped many scenes work a lot better! Oh, and the scene where the cops are being corrupted by the wand, that one turned out much better than I thought it would based on the script, so that was nice to see! :)
A lot of the major changes happened before filming. The script and story were altered a lot by David, to the point where the original script feels like a completely different movie to me. I think some of those changes were needed, but others took out a lot of the interesting world building and made it all seem a lot more basic and lazy (as Lindsay criticizes)
In the words of Terry Prathett "Racism was not a problem on the Discworld, because-what with trolls and dwarfs and so on-speciesism was more interesting. Black and white lived in perfect harmony and ganged up on green."
Exactly
Although in his later books he changed this a bit, like in Jingo where the Ankh Morporkians and Klatchians are racist against each other. I think he got more cynical about human nature as he got older.
The thing though there definitely is bigotry that exists even within racial communities. Like, in the real world you have people living in China who are actually very biased against certain minority groups who are also chinese. And likewise in a fantasy world like Bright I don't totally disbelieve that you wouldn't have racial subgroups of humans being racist towards one another.
I think Pratchett's main nuance was that races on the disc- only possessed imagined differences in nature or capability. Whereas the different species pick up the important oft overlooked distinction- that even if there were real differences (the reduced mental faculties of trolls in warm weather, Goblins eating their own babies) that these differences were not inferiority, that they were still equals deserving of compassion and solidarity. In this way the allegory is more akin to disability or poverty.
Yes. Killing a fairy and then saying to your kid that racism is bad doesn't compute.
I always enjoy the statement “aslan in narnia is a Christ allegory” because it shows the people who only watched the films and never read the books. Aslan isn’t an allegory, he IS Jesus Christ, in universe, Aslan is the form Jesus takes when he interacts with narnia. It’s like saying lucifer in paradise lost is allegory for satan from he bible
as someone who hasn't read/watched Narnia, this got a solid "WHAT" out of me
@@redpup112 “ I don't say. 'Let us represent Christ as Aslan.' I say, 'Supposing there was a world like Narnia, and supposing, like ours, it needed redemption, let us imagine what sort of Incarnation and Passion and Resurrection Christ would have there.”
-Clive Staples Lewis
Hopefully I’ve now hit you u with the double tap of Aslan being Jesus’ fursona and The “S” is “C S Lewis” standing for “staple”
Even if we understand Aslan to be literally Jesus, I don’t think that means that the Chronicles of Narnia aren’t allegorical. It’s a symbolic retelling of the New Testament, not a direct recreation of it, and the characters and settings are altered to highlight specific themes. Certain characters are meant to represent certain biblical figures, some more directly and literally than others, and as a whole, Narnia is a parable designed to make the passion of the Christ and other bible stories more approachable and understandable to kids. Even though Aslan eventually reveals himself to be the same character as real-world Jesus, it’s still an allegory, just an allegory where one of the characters breaks the fourth wall.
@@alissapenridge7516 narnia as a whole may still be allegory, but no where did I say it wasn’t. All I said was Aslan isn’t an allegory, which he is not
But aren't those all different characters anyway? Lucifer, Beelzebub, Satan and the Devil. It's all sort of interchangeable?
I don't understand how the fabled hero was an orc and the orcs are all still hated, but the Dark One was an elf and somehow they're in the upper echelon of society.
Because elves have the highest rates of magic potential.
Clearly it's a matter of who does the best PR.
@@lberghaus Elves were always good at PR
Would probably have been good to note that in the movie.
I mean, Jesus was a Jew and there still was anti-judaism in large parts of Christianity
2000 years ago, there was the war of the nine races. Jesus would've been crucified around that time. Unless religion is not a thing anymore, but your point about Los Angeles means Christianity still exists in this world. So...did Jesus fight in the war? Did he die in the war? did these two events happen at the same time on different sides of the world? Are there orc and elf saints? What were human and orc relations like before the Dark Lord? Who WAS the Dark Lord in history?
Gosh, once you start asking questions, this film unravels faster than a cheap sweater.
Are Jews one of the Nine races?
Maybe Jesus was the first Bright
Speaking of sweaters, does Weezer exist in this universes?
I thought they were going for some Christ thing when they said 2000 years but as all else, that didn't go anywhere.
The Almo still happens, but it's the Mexican's fault?
The one thing about bright that i dont think was brought up is that orcs are discriminated against for siding with the dark lord but the dark lord was an elf, so wouldnt it make more sense for people to hate elves way more than orcs?
MakeJuice If they wanted to make the orcs the hated race making the dark lord an orc fits better. It’s like the writers had a different idea and forgot to explain that detail XD In all I agree with you.
I mean, if the Elfs are also the rulling class then it makes sense that people discriminate the orcs but not the elfs.
The rulling class (a.k.a. the rich) decides who the scapegoat for all the middle class' problems are.
You know what they say man, once a dark lord always a dark lord.
You could say they could have accidentally stumbled upon something more true about society. I mean, how many conquerers that threatened to dominate the world came from Africa? White people are responsible for Hitler and Stalin and Apartheid and Colonialism, and sure there's some good ones too, but nobody in power builds a system of oppression to keep the whites down because... whites already had the power. Racism exists to rationalize the continuation of the already-existent discrepancies in power. As Ellis points out, the logical conclusion you'd have to jump to was that orcs would have been the slaves alongside Africans (because both existed in this world AAAAAAAAA!) In Lies My Teacher Told Me, one of the things Loewen goes into detail about is how, the more obvious the injustice of the slave trade became, the more racism grew up to try to rationalize it. In one quote that haunts me, a preacher said, "We must believe that [African-Americans] are less than human, for if not, we would be forced to admit we are less than Christian."
Nobody picks on elves because they're rich and can buy off the system and pay for PragerU to teach TH-cam watchers "facts" about how elves are the naturally superior master race that invented freedom.
(Although if they are just mapping orcs to blacks, and elves are people whom the lower classes hate because conspiracy theorists say they have all the money and rule the world... doesn't that make elves the Jews?...)
That's been bothering me for two years
Are they really going to talk about ‘The nine races’ and only show three? What are the other races? Why aren’t they in LA? Why does no one ever talk about the other races? Seems like they just thought ‘Nine races’ sounded cool so they threw it in without thinking it through.
That's how a lot of bad worldbuilding gets started. People just throw in ideas that sound neat without considering how it all ties together.
Mexicans?
They showed a centaur cop so 4/6 I guess
@@theteethburglar4716 thats not how fractions work
@@Chrisy7 they meant that’s 4 out of 6
say what you will about this film but seeing "BE YORCSELF" graffitoed on a wall has single-handedly made my day
They never even gave the Dark Lord and name
So in my head canon his real name was Dar Klord and it was just miswrote for 2000 years
Yes I know this comment is late. Hello from 2020 and Bright 2 is delayed again!
So wait, if fairies are supposed non-sentient pests, why is there a fairy lives matter movement? Are the fairies actually a sentient race that are treated like a common pest by the bigger and stronger races?
I know that line's a dumb joke, but still
Maybe there's like a PETA for fairies
@@LakesideTrey god I hope not, those poor fairies
I wonder what their versions of Peter Pan and Tinker Bell would be like.
@@brianhu9700 well since Shrek is supposedly the same in Bright, Tinker Bell might be too. She might be something similar to the "Cats" movie, anthropomorphic fairy that looks more humanoid than the real thing.
that line has stuck in my brain the same way the alamo line stuck in Lindsay's
This concept of mixing real life settings with high fantasy sounds amazing. Looking forward to a day someone properly executes it.
Not a movie. But as Role Playing game with many supporting novels playing in the universe and computer games... Search for Shadowrun.
@@DieselsVideos Shadowrun is a bit hit-and-miss in its relation to the real world history, but at least they tried to make the emergence of magic etc. somewhat coherent. I think it would be best if you set such a mashup in an alternative world that looks like ours but it definitely not Earth. (Divergent evolution, if you want to get technical.)
@@helbent4 Placing it in anther world would destroy lot's of things that makes Shadowrun as cool as it is. And opens a bunch of other problems. That it's a common name betweenpen and paper Roleplayers and Video gamers prooves that that "a bit hit-and-miss" is not really a big Problem and the MCU Proves that even much more hit-and-miss works well for movies. Before Dr. Strange the MCU was just our world for most people with superheroes and some "hit-and-miss" because of that.
@@DieselsVideos While SR is cool, it's debatable to what degree Shadowrun actually gains that quality by being set in our world. Although it does have historical place names, and a few analogous organisations, pretty much everything else was extensively re-worked: from cultures to national and local political units to brand names (this due to copyright, etc.). In all my years of playing Shadowrun I never got the impression that it really was tied to the real world outside of (say) being set in a city called "Seattle" (Technically, "Seattle Metroplex. Which is treated as the rump of former Washington state w/r to the UCAS, but is also allowed to conduct independent national-level diplomacy. So again, it belongs to our world in name only.) It's possible that in some deep lore somewhere in some product someone decided to tie SR more deeply to our world in various ways but as a player and even ref that would have required far too expensive a deep dive into SR sourcebooks. Plus, I haven't played/reffed SR in a while, I might be missing some (very) subtle point.
Anwyays, in SR local politics, geo-politics, culture, social movements and concerns, everything about our world that might inform a good dramatic situation is absent or changed. Part of this is due to the mashup with the nihilistic cyberpunk genre, but even so it's no wonder SR characters are generally (but probably not exclusively) sociopathic corporate mercenaries. To a degree the lack of connection between our world and SR was due to SR being set generations in the future after a cataclysmic event. But then, it may as well be Earthdawn in that respect, but high-tech. Agreed, FASA did do much more world-building than than Bright! But aside from historical place-names, SR reflects little and has little to say about our world.
Granted, there is racism towards orks, etc., but this is a time-honoured fantasy trope in and of itself, and SR does do a bit of regurgitation of fantasy stereotypes. God forbid, even while ripping off African-American stereotypes to make its racial point, Bright actually tries to give a (bonkers) reason as to why orcs are historically discriminated against. In SR, it's literally magic: one day normal humans started to change into fantasy races, and those that were orks (and similar assumed "subhumans") were now treated as an underclass for reasons.
As a thought-exercise, if you simply changed all the historical place-names in SR to be more fantasy, what actually would change? Other than magic and fantasy races being there all along as part of a more coherent history, not much. The main setting is still a recognisable city-state, a remnant of a much larger but recently-collapsed republic, of which a rump remains. Various aboriginal peoples in concert with various elven groups managed to take back their land in the wake of its collapse, some even expanding their historical territory.
I'm unsure the point you make about the MCU. Super-heroes are part of the real-world there, yet still somehow kept separate (except where some real estate needs wrecking.) Over the decades, this genre has tentatively examined some moral and ethical issues surrounding those super-beings, hooray for that. The Boys is probably a much better look at how super-heroes would really act in the real world and it's not pretty. As a suggestion, if you'd like a great RPG example of how supers would integrate with the real world, and the causes of the day, check out the old game "Godlike", if you haven't already.
Onward was pretty good, but only used to e modernized high fantasy as a setting to justify the existence of magic
a minor thing that irked me in Bright was the fact that the swearing felt entirely unnatural and forced. like whoever wrote the dialogue for this movie never swore once in their entire damn life. all the swearing just felt so haphazardly tossed in there, there's no flow at all to it!
as someone who casually swears like a sailor a lot, listening to the characters talk just felt super jarring. and hard to listen to. like i felt secondhand embarrassment from how shitty it was, ha ha.
Same with that show Ozark they seem to think fitting awkawrd awearing into each sentence makes it good "swearing = 14 year olds will love this show"
It's almost as if they didn't have a proper screenwriter
Will smith
"We gonna titty-bar gun-fight DIE" is still one of the greatest lines Will Smith has ever uttered.
“Keep my Wife’s name out your fucking mouth” is a hard competitor for the top spot..
@@jakespacepiratee3740 That line was so good it was criminal, like actually, he should have been arrested for that.
@@jakespacepiratee3740 HAHAGAGAFAFADAFAHA
You're not funny.
This was never funny.
Please shut up.
@@ocdc3261 Some things are worth getting arrested over.
(I take it this is about the comedian he slapped, right? Genuine question, cause I normally don't really keep up with all that drama guff.)
@@FroggyMosh Yes, yes it was. That was the joke, not trying to sound mean, jus figured I'd answer your question since nobody else has for two months 😂
Why didn't they make a movie about the war they kept mentioning, sounds more interesting
There is one, It's called "Lord of the Rings"
That would require a budget
@@king_big_pp and a brain
Also, "STILL get shit for the Alamo?' Didn't the whole "dark lord" stuff happen thousands of years ago? The 200 ish years since the Alamo is clearly not a comparable time scale as "still" seems to imply here.
For the record, I get folks who ask "Why y'all kill Jesus then eh?" when it comes up that I'm Jewish and they seem to only be like maybe 40% joking so I mean, in theory... ... ...
@@monkeymonk666 I suppose but, having lived in Texas for a year I can say that no one gives Latinos shit for the Alamo. Outside of patriotic chest thumping the Alamo isn't something that comes up in peoples minds. What does take place is the usual racist stereotypes which I don't need to bring up. Antisemitism is it's own special breed of racism that has existed for thousands of years in one form or another. Perpetuated by The Church and society. I don't understand it, nor can I properly explain it. But then again I think anyone who actively subscribes to racist believes are idiots.
@@hunterg24 Also, whenever I hear people talk about the Alamo it isn't an anti-Mexican story. It's a brave last stand story. The identity of the enemy doesn't matter since the story is about how "them good ol' Texas boys done gave 'em hell and went down fightin'!"
@@Oberon4278 This. The fact that the antagonists in retellings of the story are Mexican is ancillary to the moral of the story; a noble last stand against a superior opposing force that leads to immediate defeat but their sacrifice leads to a stronger victory further down the road. Swap out the Alamo for the Spartan last stand popularized by 300, Battle of Little Big Horn, and so on and the moral is still the same.
Owen Grimes theres absolutely no social anxiety in American society toward the alamo or what happened there. therefore it's highly rare and unlikely that mexicans will get much if any shit for being involved there centuries ago. there is a lot of anxiety toward mexicans for 'bringing drugs and crime' and 'taking all the jobs away' so they get shit for that instead. i ain't saying it's good or right, cuz it ain't, but that's my explanation as to why mexicans don't get shit on for the alamo
I thought "Elf Town" was a joke until it was criticized as the name of the place.
"Were there Orcs at the Alamo?" Is probably the best question brought up ever.
Most likely not, since (if were using the LOTR Map) Orcs are in Eastern Europe and SouthEast Europe. Meaning no Orcs in the Alamo
Big-Bonkin-Head Given that they are in America and clearly have been for awhile it’s plausible some of them could have ended up there by the time of the Alamo.
Merritt Animation Immigration occurred during the same time Eastern Europeans came over to the USA (early 1900s and such)
Big-Bonkin-Head lol
Yeah, but they prefer to be called Texans (sorry, sorry....)
But magic wand girl is pretty so we already care about her and don't need character development
thats standard elves. Thats why a whole race of pretty perfect people CAN LITERALLY BE THE DARK LORD and end up praised.
@@Dwarfurious In every fantasy I've encountered, elves are viewed as elitist and untrustworthy, and often result in them dying via genocide by other groups because of the misunderstanding. Basically, they have a kind of stereotypical label that gets put on Jews a lot, for stupid reasons. I'd be interested to hear of examples where elves are actually presented in a positive light.
Ouch. Yeah that's a tired trope too....
Sad but true. Pretty people tend to get the benefit of the doubt. Ugly people have to be shown to be interesting and useful to gain points whilst pretty people must be shown to be utterly useless and vapid to lose points.
@@Fenris30 Yes, but also, pretty people have a lot higher chance of not being taken seriously because they're pretty, like that's the only interesting thing about them.
I feel like a lot of this could be fixed if the War of 9 races was 200 years ago instead of 2000. The prejudice would make more sense( by sense I mean as a historical standpoint, issues from 200 years ago are more likely to lead to institutional prejudice than shit from 2000 years ago), the tensions would be more realistic, and the War being brought up would make a lot more sense since hey, we bring up the civil war a lot. And you could more or less make the rest of history similar to our own without it being too weird.
@@NeoSaturos123 similar, but more successful, and fascist (ethnically centered nationalism was probably how the Dark Lord convinced the orcs to join him)
@@NeoSaturos123 I mean, and I know it's a bit on the nose, Hitler's mother was a jew. Charismatic leaders will get people to follow them, even evil psychopaths. Especially evil psychopaths it seems
Dark Lord Hitler or Dark Lord Napoleon. One way or another it wouldn’t be too hard to transplant the concept.
hitler was not a jew, there have been claims that hitler had jewish ancestry but the evidence of this is circumspect. there is no documentation that leopold frankenberger existed. additionally, there were very few jewish families in Graz at the time. it wasn't until 1848 that individual jewish families were allowed to settle in Graz again and a larger community was not re-established until the 1860's .
@@franciszekdo Buddy Hitler could be the son of a Rottweiler, I don't care. The man's name doesn't deserve the history deep dive. At the very least in this context
Also, the Orcish at 40:11 is just an alphabet swap. You can see in "Orc Community Center," the M is repeated, the C's are right next to each other, the "A" looking letter is an R because it's on the middle of Orc and the end of Center. They made up an alphabet but didn't even want to mix up the lettering so it's not a one-to-one letter swap.
Also Y and I are the same letter
"Finally, a use for my extensive knowledge of Elder Scrolls lore"
"Time to derail a post"
what is CHIM?
Techpriest Taro Something goddamn stupid that adds nothing narratively.
Is Bright canon?
Robot Sin fucking normie come back when you learn dova and memorise the Witcher lore
Every time I remember "the lusty argonian maid" I lose another year of my life.
As a Mexican, I can confirm we were one of the nine races. From Dusk Til Dawn type.
We got all kinds of poosy. . .
So people who like Quinton Tarantino sucking their tows?
Pussy pussy pussy Come on in pussy lovers
ok but do you still get shit for the fucken Alamo though
Wait... does that make me bi-species instead of biracial?
"You can't logic people out of a mindset they didn't logic themselves into" Well said!
Yes you can. It's just really, really, really, really, really fucking hard.
Racism is an extreme version of Tribalism and saying that Racism and therefore Tribalism isn't Logical simply proves that you don't understand where it comes from.
Therefore of course you have problems "logicing" people of that mindset - You're being EMOTIONAL not Logical!
"Racism is bad M'kay" only gets you so far....You have to understand the other person's point of view before you can argue against it.
Now of course you can argue that Tribalism itself is outdated in modern society and that's the globalist argument in a nutshell :) But to say it's not logical full stop is to paint yourself into a corner.
P.S. The current Left Wing obsessions with "Cultural Appropriation", "Safe Spaces", "Positive Discrimination" and "Ghettoisation" are all just the same old Racial arguments only facing the other way! Oh and if we're talking of systems and laws at least one of these IS BOTH!
You won't defeat Racism with more Racism! You'll just repeat the same old mistakes!
Bright is BLATANT yes, It's CRINGY yes, It clearly should have been a full TV Series NOT a Movie where the writers would have been able to go into much more detail and give much more characterisation to the characters.
But it has its HEART in the right place.
UNLIKE "Disney's Star Wars", "Nu-Who", "Star Trek Discovery" and "Picard", "Ghostbusters 2016", "Terminator Genisys", "Another Life", "Space Force", "Avenue 5" etc. etc. etc.!
@@franohmsford7548 I generally agree. It's really difficult to pull off what "12 Angry Men" managed to do: approach a moral dilemma, show many sides and how people got to thinking how they do, then turn in the correct verdict. It's even worse when the industry seems to not actually have a heart in the matter and turns fringe culture into pop-culture.
It feels like most movies and companies these days pander too hard. Instead of finding a great story that fits a "woke" message then crafting it into a movie, they're really just taking the "woke" message and building a half-baked movie around it before public sentiment moves onto the next thing. It's like the Left Wing obsessions you listed.
Really, there are cases of "Cultural Appropriation" and "Safe Spaces", but then it gets blown out of proportion with some half-baked news coverage or movement, and the actual meat of the matter gets charred and tossed. The bad part of cultural appropriation is the double-standard, not white people having dreads but white people with dreads being deemed "cool" while black people with dreads are deemed "gross". Safe Spaces are just supposed to be rooms to chill out for a moment when you're having an anxiety attack, not a new regime. I don't know anything about Positive Discrimination or Ghettoisation, so I won't comment. I'll look into these.
Fran Ohmsford Dude, racism is not logical. Neither is "tribalism", more appropriately called sectarianism. Just because people naturally divide themselves into in groups and out groups doesn't make it logical. Racism is always based on nonsense, in reality humanity is actually ridiculously genetically similar as species go, even between races, which we made up. Even so, racists are still racist, because it's not about logic, it's about a bunch of made up garbage that they've had reinforced by the culture that surrounds them.
I was rewatching this while cooking Thanksgiving dinner with my 14-month-old son playing nearby. Every time Lindsay went "Aaarrrrgh!", the baby went "Aaarrrgh!".
Literally nobody cares🤣
@@SusanDelgado1177what do you think the comment section is for?
@@KeDe1606 you're right, it's just another platform for breeders to make a complete a$$ of themselves
@@SusanDelgado1177 you talking about yourself there?
@@KeDe1606 😊🤣🤣 not a breeder thanks god. Nice try tho
"once with the dark lord always with the dark lord" lol thats like saying "once with the romans always with the romans"
Or "once with the Sumerians, always with the Sumerians".
Once with the huns always with the huns.
This enettiy that was active thousands of years ago.
Also, it’s just a horribly clunky line that doesn’t sound like something that would be said by a real person.
Not really. The dark Lord can be brought back in Bright. So n Bright it's a real threat. In our world there is no reason to think that there is a chance that "the romans" (Or Hitlier like mentioned in other comments) could come back... as the original... just by some magic ritual.
Tbf, Jews are still blamed for the death of Jesus almost 2,000 years later despite the fact he was also a Jew. Racism doesn't have to be logical, 90% of the time it's a justification for something most people otherwise wouldn't get away with.
I think the biggest flaw with this movie is the fact that they turned this into an "end of the world" scenario instead of keeping it grounded and leaving the fantasy elements as fun props and means of storytelling. I think a crazy guy terrorizing people with a sword is a potentially great scene to show how far this world has come from it's roots, but of course he's just used as exposition for the "dark lord" (god it's just so painfully stupid).
I just wanted Training Day or End of Watch, hell I even would've loved something more comedic like Lethal Weapon, Kiss Kiss Bang Bang, or the Nice Guys (basically I bet Shane Black could've made this great) with fantasy elements but instead we get the cop equivalent of Fant4stic.
Oh yeaah, the filthy guy! I thought a similar thing when I first saw the trailer. I thought it was meant to be a deconstruction of fantasy stories' depiction of the archetypical "hero". And that he was just some crazy guy who found a sword and starting killing orcs and taking their stuff, after having deluded himself into thinking he's on an epic quest. Basically a slasher Don Quixote
Yep, you definitely got the sense they didn't really know what they were going for. It was that o'er leaping ambition that Shakespeare referred to in Macbeth.
Even, a fantasy version of Crash (in keeping with the theme of this video) would have been better than what we got.
Oh no, it IS just like Fant4stic isn't it? That's the worst film I've ever paid to see, truly awful. I gave up on it (but felt the most enjoyment) when one character dramatically said 'his biochemistry is off the charts'. I mean what on Earth or Planet Zero is that supposed to mean? What part of his biochemistry? What charts? Is everything elevated or much lower than it should be? If everything has been modulated, can you even tell? What actually useful information would that as a statement give to anyone else? Just ridiculous dialogue that no one would ever say in a film that's too dull, lifeless, boring and miserable to be fun-bad, but too bad to rise to basic competence, just like it seems Bright is. The key difference to me is that Fant4stic is off-putting in a cold, distant and impersonal way, whereas Bright is off-putting because it pretends to have themes of justice but is actually just cynical and mean-spirited.
I hope in the Bright-verse Shrek was actually some kind of like. Orc-sploitation movie or something.
That's why he's such a racist jerk, he did some voice acting for a shitty orc movie back in college and now everyone who hears him over the phone is like "Donkey???"
Donkey is played by Eddie Murphy...
Jonathan Walton oh fuck you’re right I gotta stop just accepting random shit as fact for the sake of a joke lmaooo
I for one would welcome THAT movie. "Who's the orc private dick that's a sex machine to all the chicks...SHREK! You're damn right..." It writes itself!
Shrek Dynamite.
Why is it always orcs being oppressed? Like, hear me out: Dark elves. Similar to their pale skinned blue eyed blonde cousins who live in sunny happy forests and big castles, except for the fact they are dark skinned and were forced underground in dank caves. They are hated for worshipping a spider god of lies, but think, one of the most well known mythical figures from the continent of Africa is a spider trickster, and is so hard to believe that a trickster god was painted as a god of lies by victors of a race war? Or even hobbits, who are stereotyped as unsuccessful because they are “lazy” and have no real political rep in a world counsel? Tieflings, if you REALLY wanna go into racism in dungeons and dragons, or hey, what about humans? I can easily imagine a world the thousand year old elves and dwarfs with magical abilities we’d be seen as the savages.
Well, to be fair, the reason why dark elves are opressed is because they are slave traders and they use other sapient creatures for magical experiments. But you are right about hobbits and tieflings.
Even non-fantasy fans know orcs from LotR, and DnD writes orcs as basically just Native Americans who it’s okay to kill (right down to the suggested origins for good orcs in old editions being that they went to residential schools) and so every progressive nerd’s first instinct to be subversive is to make them good guys
@@enzojose4001 ok but like. Fantasy lore isn't static. Dark elves are something people made up with a lot of variation in portrayal, and you can add and remove whatever you want from that lore (such as the slave trading) depending on what you want to use them to explore.
well, it depends on what can you're using. canonically dark elves (the dunmer) are looked down upon in most of the continents in the elder scrolls series except for their own
As soon as you said Ayer was brought in on this, I thought - hang on, didn't Suicide Squad have a lot of the same issues? Plot threads unresolved, pointless setups, a finale where everybody just stands in a room and acts in turn like it's a game of D&D...
Ayer needs to stay away from fantasy and comic book movies. and Landis never to write shite like that ever again
37:30 Wait... If Shrek exists in this universe, that means there is a Dreamworks.... which means.... THERE IS A SHARK TALE AND A WILL SMITH FISH!!!!! TIME LOOP!!!!
In Bright 2, there will be someone telling the human cop "You know, you look exactly like Will Smith."
OH MY GOD.
I just fucking died laughing
Your welcome!!
YOU'VE CREATED A TIME PARADOX
It's also lazy how there are interhuman races (with exactly the same stereotypes as real life) but apparently no inter-elf or inter-orc races. Charactisering what are clearly different species as 'races' was, I suppose, the first major problem from which everything else stems.
Edit: It reminds me of how in a lot of scifi universes, planets end up taking the characteristics of a nation (e.g. one race of people, one central government, etc), so the scale of the entire universe (usually restricted to a single galaxy) is reduced to the comfortable planet scale people are used to.
THAT could have made the intrahuman racism feel more organic.
You can't tell the inter-Orc races apart?
I guess they all look alike to you, huh?
Probably because its too dificult to become an interplanetary civilization when you have different nations in it also globalization its a thing in our world.
@@heitorpedrodegodoi5646 I mean, even if one nation on earth unified the planet and started colonizing other worlds, that wouldn't suddenly mean they "win" and the other cultures disappeared. They're still around, forming a stitch in the tapestry of interstellar mankind, and as a result would be populating other worlds barring an extremely supremacist government being in charge and not letting them. Assuming a planet is decently populated and has been for a while, then cultural distinctiveness is inevitable even if the founding people were all of one culture originally, let alone if there's blending.
@@atlasreign4783 made me lol
"Were Mexicans one of the nine races?" Jesus, I miss her
Wait... they're Orcs, but Shriek is an Ogre. So is that like calling a Japanese man "Jackie Chan"?
That is what we call "fantasy-racism"!
I think it's a bit worse then that. More like calling someone a neanderthal.
Eddie the Head Is calling someone a Neanderthal bad? I've only ever seen it used against hulking school bullies
No, he did it because they looked like Shrek..."Shrek LOOKIN ass." It'd be like calling someone short in the real world "Frodo lookin ass" because they were short
I guess it's pretty much like the whole "All Asians look the same to me" shtick.