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Trying to FIX 2x Faulty SEGA Mega Drive Games (Genesis)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 18 ส.ค. 2024
- Hi, this 'trying to fix' video shows me attempting to repair Sensible Soccer and Paperboy Game Cartridges on the Sega Mega Drive also called the Sega Genesis in the USA.
Remember that this is just for entertainment and I am not an expert in these repairs. The processes in the video may not be the best way, the correct way or the safest way to fix these things.
I do love fault finding and trying to fix broken things so I hope that comes across in this 'Trying to FIX' series.
Many thanks, Vince.
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Through success or failure. Your patience is amazing, your drive to fix anything and challenge yourself is nothing short of amazing. Thank you for your uploads. 👍
Thanks mate :-)
Ur best
Vince I just started seeing ur videos
There's no 'e' in "gaming".
Each episode is like witnessing a train wreck from an actual diagnostic perspective, but that’s part of your brilliance. You’re learning, taking chances and once in awhile you actually fix something. All in all, you epitomize the “never surrender never give up” attitude.
I actually applauded when you got Sensible Soccer working. Good job sir! You actually got me inspired to pick up my soldering iron again. Really enjoy your videos. Keep it up!
good work vince. bloody good to see someone repairing things. and especially keeping the retro stuff alive. and using the isoprop is spot on for cleaning electronics i use it when i fix old c64 and amiga motherboards etc. another really good way to clean those 'fingers' is using an eraser / rubber (for removing grey lead etc from paper)
I did'nt think you would be able to fix any of them so i was amazed when you fixed the soccer one........i think it was really clever vince well done.The other game i think you gave it your best but like you said if that big chip is the fault there would be no way to fix it....i really enjoy these fix it videos they are very entertaining and my favourite on youtube at the moment..... i like the way you explain what you are doing and what you are about to do ...you really are very calm and patient with everthing you do.... you are a real inspiration ......good luck for your next fix it project.........and thankyou for sharing them.....
Thanks for the lovely comments :-)
When I saw this video was an hour long I thought jeepers il just watch a little haha instantly I was hooked and had no desire to stop watching. I cheered when sensible soccer fired up. You have the patience and determination for this passion and I am inspired to buy some of these tools and do some investigating of my own non working games. Thank you so much for such a great video and for the music during the fast forward scenes haha this video is a true masterpiece
Great job, genuinely came across this video after I left the room and it went onto another suggested video (this one) and I watched it all from start to end, never owned a sega mega drive but this video fascinated me and I was genuinely happy when you got it working! And you got a good calming voice, great vid, liked and subbed
The "mystery" of the direction of the testing suggests diode reverse polarity protection. The 3.14V in that battery at that age suggests someone did have a go at fixing it, I wouldn't expect a 20 year old battery to be pi volts. Good work spotting the broken traces :) Remember if you're running a jumper wire anyway, you don't have to solder to the thin, damaged trace but can join the big pad to the IC pin directly.
Wow! I like the style, I am very much the same, so long as it works I am not bothered how professional it looks, nice work.
When soldering boards like that you can never use to much flux, it helps the solder flow. Love the channle been watching none stop
Thanks :-)
Vince I love you videos I've been binge watching all your uploads...really enjoyed the UK and usa challenge
Keep up the good work
Thank you for the views and the feedback. We will have another UK vs USA challenge in February 2019 so hopefully it will go well :-)
@@Mymatevince can't wait for the next challenge...respect 👍
Hey Vince, just wanted to let ya know I think you're doing a great job with your videos and I'll keep on watching. Some of them are kinda silly, but most of them are genuinely entertaining. Keep up the great work.
Thanks :-)
Just a tip: The component you were wondering about was clearly marked "C2", i.e. the second capacitor used in this pcb. PCBs usually have such markings(C for capacitor, R for resistor and many more like that, whose meaning you can easily find online) that make the identification of the components easy
that was actually REALLY fun to watch , every time something new was tried i got my hopes up :-D
That seems expensive for two broken mediocre mega drive games. I sold my collection and quit the scene but it cost me about the same for rocket knight adventures on md and that games amazing a true gem.
Anyway love the content.
Thanks. It was very expensive but I thought it would be interesting for the video :-)
🔥Great fixes man, we can always use more people fixing retro games. Now you have ZOMBIE CARTS!!!
you gave it your best shot, like you say. a third hand may be to get something to hold the card still. love watching your attempts!
Love this channel mate! You have inspired me to try my own little fix with a DJ controller I picked up on ebay for my channel. I just need to replace a potentiometer/fader and have purchased a simply soldering iron etc and the spare part ready to do so! I just need to be brave and give it a try though im suprisingly nervous about messing it up.
Anyway - a cracking video, perfect for me to have on whilst im working :)
Great, message me on one of my latest videos when you have it live and I will watch it :-)
Loving these long video's, keep up the good work buddy!!!
Always love seeing your videos pop up Vince,
Inspired me to do my own bits of DIY!
Fixed up and shell changed 2 joy cons, repaired 2 DS Lites too.
Maybe try your hand at a DS Lite/Gameboy Macro mod?
That would be great fun to watch you do.
Cheers, glad you giving things a try and succeeding :-)
I don't know anything about fixing consoles but for some reason your videos are really enjoyable and informative. Oddly relaxing as well. Have a sub, mate!
Hey Vince .
I was so looking forward to you repairing Paperboy, I wish it was remaid on the mini Sega or nintendo why it weren't I,ll never know .
Great video BTW.
In my shop, rules to troubleshooting, #1 check all connections and traces or solder joints. #2 check capacitors and resistors if any. #3 check all transistors if any. #4 chk all button type batts. Or high output button type capacitors if any. Then check "IC's" or integrated chips. Any of these will cause failure, duh! But if all seem fine. It will most likely be the logic of the IC! You can if you're proficient with soldering iron jump 3/16 th " to bridge a gap no wire needed. Wire will add resistance.
We need more videos ! I’ve ran out of your videos to watch lol. Keep up the good work mate
The mask ROMs do fail in these carts. You can replace them with a programmed 27C400 / 27C800 / 27C160 EPROM depending on what size the game ROM file is. The battery is for saves - not all games have save RAM onboard. That small yellow component you pointed to asking if its a resistor or cap, it is a capacitor.
Great advice, can't wait to check out your channel :-)
There is a liquid silver pen you can use to draw over to make connection. They use it to repair heat threads in the back windows on cars and things like that
Thank you for making this video. This is really satisfying to watch your success.
Love your videos, i think you have a great patience and you are truly also a real kind person in real life, cheers from italy
I come in peace from GadgetUK's recent vid. Had a look through your previous vids and subbed as soon as I saw Big Trak. Instant win!
Thanks for the sub, the Big Trak is always a winner :-)
Whenever my games didn't work, I'd just put them in at a slight angle or half way in and that would get them working.
Those few flashes you see when you turn it on without a game (sometimes with a few click noises) are just interference of the RF signal for video out, they happen on every game, even working ones, you just can't tell as the picture signal is much stronger and overwrites it pretty much.
That central pin at the back with the thick trace was for ground connection, just the returning current from the cart to the power supply, that's why it's connected to all of them.
I believe the rom chip had just died of old age, everything does, no matter how reliable. When you moved it along one all the voltage going through the cartridge and back to ground would have been going through a data line on the rom chip instead of back to ground. That's definitely killed it now, 'putting the nail in the coffin' I guess haha. I believe those crazy colours on screen after that was the irregular voltage coming back the wrong way causing hell for the mega drive, I'd be very careful doing that, it could also kill the megadrive :/ , luckily you didn't have it on like that for very long and it didn't do any damage.
I'd keep the circuit board of paperboy and only toss the rom chip, then you can get a replacement ROM of any game, and use the board for that, and essentially make reproduction cart. Then there'd definitely be some money profit there. Outrun goes for about 35 in British Pound!
Really great to see sensible soccer working once again! :)
Wow, that is excellent information. This is why I love TH-cam. Thank you so much :-)
Great persistence Vince! At least you got the awesomeSensible Soccer working!
Thanks :-)
A few more tips - get some Chip Quik flux (pricey) or Amtech flux. That will help your braid soak up all the solder on the surface of the pads. Also worth putting tape over the edge connector contacts to mask where you are about to solder. If you use flux, and have tape over the pads, the solder wont flow all the way over the pads. You can also use either kynar or single strand transformer winding wire (super thin, like 25% the thickness of Kynar).
If you would like, I can post you out a new EPROM programmed with Paperboy so you can complete that cart repair. Just let me know!
Or you can try programming one yourself - you can see what's required on my channel - search for Sega Megadrive (Genesis) Cart Repairs. But I can send you a new chip if you want?
GadgetUK164 - Retro Gaming Repairs & Mods If anyone can get this cart working it’ll be you, baffles me how you know all that stuff on your videos!
Holy shit, I was just about to recommend Vince check out your (Gadget) videos even just for soldering tips and here you are passing on your wisdom, what a bloke, top notch. Honestly Vince, go see some Gadget videos you'll learn so much you won't believe it.
Thanks =D I do love the variety of what Vince tackles on this channel!!! We can all learn from each other for sure!
Yes yes yes, I would love that. I will have to do some work to fix up the board as the traces are now gone in some places but I purchased a silver conductive pen so between your chip and the pen it might be an interesting fix. Is it just a straight swap or do I have to do some programming? I can link to your channel or shop etc. on the Paperboy video if that OK with you :-)
Is it possible for you to mail me at mrtelephone@ntlworld.com
I never knew about your channel so I will look forward to catching up on some of the vids :-)
Cheers Vince
Move the chip one slot, then "Its making an interesting noise, isn't it?" Epic ;-) hahaha this channel is the best. It sounds like me trying to fix things, even knowing that there is no way that I'll fix it and more likely I'm breaking it even more. Btw, you spend quite a lot of money on broken things, it could be better investing in some tool, it will make your life easier. Keep up with the good work
just a quick bit of advice - set the iron to 315C not in the 400s the track may not lift as easy - my hat comes off to you sir for your patience and diligence
Unlucky on this one Vince, but you patience is an insperation!
I do like your "fuck it, let's try this even if it doesn't make sense" approach :)
The "Tiny bit of green" is called soldermask.
It is not ridiculous to be so happy god damnit. I jumped and screamed after the first cartridge.
For repairing traces I would recommend getting some car rear heated screen element repair paint or in a pen as its very easy to use to make fine traces as we used to use it when overclocking old AMD chips and motherboards and is pretty resilient too.
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Thanks, I have since ordered up a silver conductive pen (just a real cheapo one from China) but I thought it might have been useful for things like this :-)
Well done mate perseverance pays off yet again! You have the patience of a Saint
You rally should use liquid flux when you are soldering.
+My Mate VINCE Your joyous reaction at 27:44 was classic😂😂👍pure entertainment, indeed.
Make a screw driver: Heat up the pointy end of a Bic ball point pen and jam it over the bolt. The plastic will form to the bolt head. Let it cool to room temp and there you go, a custom screw driver.
Nice and interesting video i myself haven't seen one of these games opened, so it was pretty cool to see it. Nice work on this one Vince you're a legend mate keep up the good work.
Im not being that guy but i do love the music choice in your videos.
use heat gun for them before soldering it gonna fix break connections mate ,love your channel :)
Vince mate.. "yes yes it's there!" luv it, all credit to you!
My favorite channel keep up the good work and ignore the stupid comments 💪🤩✌
Thank you :-)
I love the baking tin soldering mat!
Thumbs up if you cringed when the console was trying to boot when the chip was offset by 1 pin.
Honestly I was worried it would fry something in the console.
Vince I love your determination man!
Yes, brother, start from the bottom, you found maybe flash dead pin 8 or 7 first cartridge, the second one you figured it out all you need to do is make little solder bridges... heat the component to the solder...
If you haven't got the right bit to undo the sega screw to hand, you can melt the end of a cheap empty see through biro and quickly place it on the screwhead (doesn't damage the cartridge plastic) , i normally got 2-3 undos before having to remelt the plastic when refurbing game gears, my screwdriver bit had worn out at the time.
1st game 📺 😨 😲, game number 2 🤔 😣. Thanks Vince you tryed 🖒
When you next try any projects and you get broken tracks, try some silver contact paint. A small brush and then a little paint, rather than solder, or use your heat gun to do the job. Try not to use solder iron on really small tracks. A small cheap ESR meter might help with cap testing. ? WELL DONE !!
Hi vince the uf on the caps is the symbol for micro farad, loving these repair vids 👍
Thanks mate :-)
You can also use a jumper wire from the larger trace to the leg of the chip.
Handy tip for taking them apart without the correct tool. Melt the end of a bic pen around it, let it dry then unscrew using it.
Tengen Mega Drive/ Genesis ROM chips tend to break more often than other games. I think they used cheaper chips.
Hello from Kansas City USA! Loving the videos. Find an old Amiga and get it going! Recap it, clean it up and play a few games for us could ya? We would all love to see that one!
Didn't have isopropyl so I cleaned the connector teeth with Vodka and dried it with a hairdryer. It worked !!!
Thank you for this, I enjoyed watching it.
I can play Dragon's fury pinball now.
Good job on fixing the first game.
Jesus! Promise you'll never do that last thing you did with the Paperboy to a poor Megadrive ever again! 😱
Well done Vince, love your videos 👌
Thanks :-)
Knowing that in your disclaimer you say you have little knowledge or experience. That being said as a guy that has been fixing anything for 40 years, it's sometimes quite painful to watch you work! Please don't take offense, it's all good and the journey is worth it!!
Your attempt is commendable, but I was expected to find a better way than the Test and error to find the problem
love the way you are so happy you got it working!
Great video as always Vince.
Thanks mate :-)
You’re welcome.
If you wanna get acquainted with measurement of electric components..
milli --> m --> 10^ -3
micro -> μ --> 10^ -6
nano -> n ---> 10^ -9
pico --> p --> 10^-12
for positive powers of 10 , it's the same as bytes in computer.
kilo --> k --> 10^3
mega -> M --> 10^6
giga -> G --> 10^9
tera -> T --> 10 ^12
Capacitor are measured in Farad (F)
Resistors are measured in Ohms (Ω)
so.. 16 μF means 16 * 10^-6 F.
Well done fixing the first game. 👍🏻
your videos are great!!!!! you work exactly like i do and check stuff how i do and you have came a long way since your early videos keep it up
Thank you :-)
OMG. Never ever try to solder in a chip other than the way it was intended to (not shifted). You could create a short circuit and fry the console itself. That is a really bad idea. As for the corrosion on the vias (that's what they're called), it might be the cause of your problems. I would try to resolder the ROM the way it was with those vias cleared and jumper wires soldered in as you did. This might just work as the corroded vias might be the root cause.
It is the "Flux Capacitor"! With out a working one you cannot go 'Back to Future" of 1995 to play them there games.
You tried so hard for 2 games... Nice work on Soccer but I feel ya may have done more damage to the second one. Contact leads are nearly impossibly to repair/replace.
Good IT people are always learning.
my bro said if you take a clear plastic pen "take out ink" and melt the end u can stick over top screw and make own driver, just a thought, thanks for vids
Trace repair on older carts is pretty easy once you get the hang of it. Retro Repairs does it a lot.
Man... that MegaDrive deserves a Purple Heart after all the battles it fought in this video alone.
When I ordered a genesis 2 years ago, It sort of would read games some of time. So I went to clean it as a obvious first fix, there were wads of cat or dog hair stuck in the cart slot, like an impressive amount of hair in it. Worked perfectly fine after that.
Well done with the first cart, I was surprised you got it working, looked like nearly all the traces were cut.
A couple of things: You can get a meter with capacitance test, and there are very cheap component testers on ebay too. Worth having one - when you test a cap it should be within 20% of the uF value. The voltage is only relevant if you're replacing one - you need the same rating or higher.
Those extra holes :) They exist probably because the PCB is generic and can take a larger size ROM. When you moved it up, the power supply pins ended up connected to the wrong pins, very bad!
Thanks for sharing the info :-)
Unnecessarily desolding IC's will always result in lost connection traces that will then need repair. Check you cap by charge discharge method. Only high dollar digital multimeters will check caps but are limited. Analog type multi meters works much better at seeing the discharge rate, especially on much larger capacitors.
you need to test for a short, then capacitance and esr at least...three different tests...cheap multimeters often have a capacitance check. i have one wich costed 50€ and tests up to 200uf
a tip for those weird screws:
ive seen people melt plastic ballpoint pens and push them into the holes and then let the cool down and harden in the right shape...
The batteries in old cartridge games are only typically used for game saves/ high score saves.
Awesome video as always
i like the way you never gave up on it.but shame you never got it working.
Instead of adding solder to those joints, you should have melted them and allowed them to resolidify. That is reflow. All you did was add solder on top which wouldn't do any good if there was a leg poorly soldered into the board - you'd just be putting more solder on top of a bad joint. I think maybe the pop sound you heard when heating the chip at the end could have been the ceramic inside fracturing? not sure.
Great video👍 really enjoyed it!
Look for "Gamebit Screwdriver", if you don't want to damage your cartridges.
I bought one from eBay really cheap an it works.
Be careful I noticed the battery was still connected when the PCB was on the oven tray. Don't want to short anything out.
If a capacitor reads as a short then lift one of its legs and read again. You shouldnt get continuity on a CAP. If that capacitor was good then the ROM has a short.
OMG i took a nap watching this video,
that was amazing,
i don't take naps.
You needed something called GameBit. Pretty easy to find, not too costly, also easily found through eBay UK.
nice work i picked up a game from good will that had a break on the board i had too solder several jumpers in on it too get it working . i even experemented with it a bit.
I remember you using long-nose pliers to open up that NES/Famicom adaptor while repairing that successfully. Pretty neat haha, but gives weird flashbacks haha
Mix 70% IPA with 30% distilled water and any water based grime like coffee or coke will come up a lot easer just make sure it is dry before putting electrons down the line. You can rub clean with 100% IPA after using the IPA/DW mix as the pure IPA will draw out the water.
"They weren't cheap, but they do not work"... errmmm sounds brilliant :P
The little orange chip is in fact a diode and not a resister. And only works one way. Hope this helps next time. Colin
Thanks Colin for clearing that up. It was confusing me because it looked like a resistor but was labelled on the board a 'C' so I thought maybe it was a capacitor :-)
you should of just reflowed all the pins on the IC, dry solder joints are common and if you saw no trace damage it was most likely that. It would only take about 2 min and you don't need to test, just add a touch of new solder and touch your tip to each pin for 2 seconds. You should always use flux when de-soldering and I think you have your iron a bit to high, I set mine to 300
Hi Vince love these videos can we see a repair on a PlayStation
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Nice work there is a small pen that you can draw the trace and. Will fix (bridge) the cracked trace less mess no heat and effective for this application
Thanks, I ordered one since making the video so hopefully next time I have some similar problem I can use it :-)