The plug and play aspects of the Amiga is just mindblowing. As you said trying to plug in a new cpu in a pc of the same era it would be a lot of tinkering needed with different stuff both hardware and sofware wise just to get it to boot, but on the Amiga just boom! Off she goes! Amazing they did that this early on. I got myself a Terrible Fire TF534 card with a 030 @33MHz plus MMU and a FPU for my good ol' A500 and she just flies now. And again it was just plugging it in and it worked. No tinkering required. I'm so spoiled now to have a CF drive with all my games and software installed on it and no longer have to diskswap every few minutes, though I do miss that lovely noise the drive makes. It's just a beloved childhood memory of mine sitting down playing games like Chuck Rock when I was just 4 or 5 years old and hear that drive clicking and buzzing away. Hope you can get your hands on a good RC060 for your gal.
Autoconfig was so far ahead of its time it was amazing. I started selling PC's in 1993 and was flabbergasted at how annoying the constant juggling of DMA channels, IRQ's and memory locations. Gosh... Lets spend an hour tweaking autoexec.bat to try and get our expanded memory to maybe be recognized! What fun! On the Amiga I just plugged hardware in, and it happily just set itself up.
After I reluctantly sold my 500Plus with Classic520 for practical reasons of space, I was given an Amiga 1200 (I'm very, very happy!!) So I decided to expand it. Unfortunately I couldn't buy the TF1260 because I needed other replacements to make the 1200 perfect, but I got a TF1230. even if it is not very powerful it gives me great satisfaction!! More forward I would like to opt for the 1260 with Motorla 680LC60! PS: Your videos are always beautiful to see!!!!
Being given an A1200 is just wonderful! Those are such marvelous machines, and so expandable. The TF1230 is great for sure, but the TF1260 is so powerful, especially if you can get a custom ROM with the IDE driver built in. So fast!
@@10MARC Got it, thanks. Was watching at night and AIBB didn't equate in my half asleep head. Thanks for the completeness! Dig the Amiga content that's not all just FPGAs.
Man, if I know one guy in the Amiga community that really needs a full 68060 chip, it’s you buddy 🤗 I know a seller here in Denmark, I will ask him if he still has some rev.6 left. Thanks for a nice review, cheers 🍻
I'm still running an ACA-1231 accelerator in my 1200 (since 2011). Works great and haven't had any issues, but the new breed of accelerators is making me think twice! Great video Doug!
Good review. I think the TF-1260 is a nice card when I look at what it is. I did have an TF-1230, but sold it and I am running a Tsunami-1230 instead. But I have thought about a TF-1260 with the good CPU. But as you mention. Too expensive for what it is. Unless you absolutely just need one and can not live without. Most of the times, an 030 is good enough and will give you plenty of joy.
Yes, a nice 68030 card with a good amount of RAM is nice. It makes an Amiga run like it really should! I like the 68040 & 68060 for graphics work, but most things work just great with a 68030.
I have the TF-1260 with the LC Chip. But try as I might, I don't believe I have the libraries configured correctly. It takes a minute and a half to boot up to desktop icons. I'll have to plan out a free moment and bring it over to Doug to check the settings. For right now, the 1233N-40 runs nicely.
@@10MARC yes, any board without a fpu will use the Amiga internal one, yeah it will be clocked at the board speed, but who cares. a fpu is a fpu and it does wonders with my 1230, so a pseudo replacement for a LC 060, even if you had a full blown X series, it would just use the fpu of the card and not the board.
@@ChrisEdwardsRestoration I think that since there is no way to shut it off, it becomes the only FPU available in the system? Like if you in the future add a full RC chip, the two FPU's would conflict? Of course, at that time I would just pop out the onboard one!
Hey Doug. Thanks for another informative video. Can you (well, anyone really) tell me where to find the correct 68060.library for this LC 060 please? I've looked on Aminet but can only find the Phase5 library. Would this suffice, or am I looking for a generic library?
AIBB, In the tool types you can tell it you have a 68000, and MMU but no FPU- that worked for me since the 68060 seems to be able to emulate the 68000 (running at 060 speeds).
@@10MARC Yeah, I downloaded it, it's not an official patch but it requires some third party program to go and patch your installation. When, I unpacked it, it was just a bunch of files with no instructions on where they go, and double clicking the executable doesn't do anything. I found it on the English Amiga board under "Unofficial AIBB v6.5 68060 Compatibility patch" title. Hopefully, you figure out how to patch the install.
Hi Great video. I have a Terrible Fire and I'm trying to add a booting hard drive to it. What drives work? I found a SSD module will not be recognized. I have the EIDE.device written in a 3.2.1 rom. Is Compact Flash my only option?
I had pin 1 the wrong way. Did not notice that dot on the board. Using a CF now. My rom was suppose to have Ehide.device in rom. It does not. Work great but I have to double-boot.
@@10MARC Yes with Professional Filesystem the drive screams at over 6. speed. I think the SSD will work yet I'm happy with the CF. I should have had the driver it in rom like I ordered it. Having to boot twice is simply a drag.
Thank you for the advice on image effects. I bought one of the A3660 (lc060 @60 mhz) from the Amiga store for my 4000 and had the same issues you had. Sysinfo 46 MIPS
For sure the TF1230 is perfect for making the A1200 the ultimate Amiga Game machine. You don't need anything more than that for WHDLOAD. The only practical use for an 060 is for high end demos and productivity software. I do love the speed!
Lovely review =D With the latest firmware, you can run the LC060 at 95Mhz!!! I've been running mine at 95Mhz for months now and provided you have a heatsink and fan, it's rock solid stable.
Oh now that is nice! I am hoping that mine has some of the latest firmware since it is brand new! I may stick to 66 MHz just to keep things nice and cool.
Thank you for this video. I've had my eye on one of these so I can replace my ACA1221lc, and this is a nice 10 minute demo (with 27 minutes of bonus footage!) of what one of these puppies can do. ;) Just gotta save up enough beans to order one, but once I do this is gonna be a super nice upgrade.
@@10MARC hmmm maybe there's something wrong with my copy of it, I'll try downloading another and see what happens. Everything else with the tf1230 is spot on (except it seems to not like my sd card adapters, i had to go compact flash) and this sysinfo thing is really annoying lol.
I strangely had the same issue. I ordered a modern redo of the processor board on my a4000 (originally the a3640 board) with an LC060 with no FPU. The a3660 card worked for games and some apps but most apps that could detect the 060 expected the FPU and crashed or guru’ed the machine. Adpro, Final Calc and many more. I ended up using my 040 processor card more than the LC 060 processor card since the 040 has an FPU built in. In the end I bought a full rev 6 version of the 060 with FPU. Very fast and works to 75Mhz. Found one on eBay for $150. Doug’s right though: they now go for about $350 and are completely worth it.
I think this is very true. Software that can be installed that supports 68060 just expects an FPU. Chucky Hertell had good advice... Just think of the 680LC60 as a really fast 68030 and install software for that.
Thing is.. IF you use a 68LC060. you NEED to treat your machine as a 030 witthout fpu. as most 040/060 softwares defaults to have a FPU so you will have issues.. but if you install 030 software without fpu etc. it will be just fine and a really fast "030 card". but yeah a real RC cpu is the best. especially the rev6. then most machines will run at up to 100MHz
@@drphilxr Yep - They certainly are fast, but so much of the advantage is gone without the FPU. I plan on getting a full RC chip, but if I was not, I would go back to my 40 Mhz Blizzard 040 in a minute.
I priced it with the options I'd want, and it came to 863 euros. A Vampire 1200 V2 is 593 euros with the clock and EthreNet, so FPGA or not, it's an order of magnitude better deal with multiple times the performance. Bang for the buck is just unbeatable.
Not sure what rev is in your A4000D but if it has a the full rev6 060 pull it out and put it into the TF1260 so you can overclock it etc. Then buy a full rev5 RC 060 for the A4000 they will run all day @66Mhz should save a few $$
I think she is a Rev 5 68060 in my A4000. I had it running at 80 MHz for a while but she was incredibly unstable. I brought her down to 66 MHz and she runs fine there.
@@10MARC My justification? "Well, others are buying from this lot, so I'm not the only insane one" (Oh, and I gave that to you in CAD, so more like $400 USD) Honestly, it's really a dream to fire up it up on a towered system which Stephen fought hard to ensure would work, it took little, if any intervention on my part to get it working and I'm sure it will give me years of enjoyment.
You could perhaps sell the 040 and put the money towards a REV 6 060, prices will only get worse as folks start thinking of upgrading the masses of new cards out there, the upcoming release of the TF360 and TF4060 won't help the situation, I have one Rev 6 but need another.
@@10MARC My 12900 is not practically faster than my last real hardware A3000/060 Amiga (2004). Windows 10 has only recently become tolerable running from flash mem SSDs. AOS ran from flash mem on my A1000 in 1985. I used to run it from a RAM disk with my A3000. My 12900 machine scores a perfect 131% 100% on Userbench, and it still can’t multitask, at all. One CPU or GPU intensive thing at a time brings the machine to its knees. Overall, the legacy Amiga experience was a much faster productivity machine, minus number crunching which is trivial to single task on dedicated hardware anyway.
Do you know why those CPU cost so much? Beside the chip shortage that forced any electronic item to cost more, and the fact that there were not that many of those 060 (even the mac used the LC variant for most part), it is because there are people that own more than one Amiga and are willing to spend 350+ for those. How do we solve the problem? Stop buying those CPU, so whoever buy them in large quantity to make a profit on those, end up loosing money and the price go down. It is simple economics 101... As long as there are people willing to pay for something unnecessary (if you already have one, buying a second 060 main variant is a waste; unless you use both the 4000 and the 1200 for work, which I find hard to believe), prices will stay that way and anyone that does not even have one 060 is forced to pay extortion prices. As usual, the community in the Amiga world is what usually mess up things, and give the chance to scalpers and people that does not even care about the Amiga at all, to make profit out of our pockets. I saw Amiga pricing skyrocket in the past 10 years or so, not because stuff became rare, but because people figured out that Amiga collectors are people in their mid 40s usually, that have disposable income, and are literally skinning anyone trying to buy Amiga related hardware and software. It is like sharks smelling blood; and as long as people continue to buy stuff, thinking to do a favor to the community by keeping small companies alive, there will be people taking advantage of real Amiga collectors.
Those 060's were expensive even before Covid-19. The answer is just simple in this case.... Too few CPU's in the world. Just like Pentium PRO now. Gold diggers have destroyed so many in the hunt for 0.25 gram gold per CPU, that there now are so few, that the rest are more expensive than what gold value they contain. The next step is to take an FPGA and implement a full 060 core and have it all as a CPU socket drop-in. You only need the CPU core it self and nothing else. That might be able to be done way cheaper than a real ceramic one from Motorola. And imagine. A 250 mhz 060 in 1:1 replica. That never runs hot at all.
I get what you are saying, but my 680RC60 that I bought in 2018 was incredibly expensive. I am not sure if there ever was a time when they were "cheap". Honestly not many computers ever used them. Most equipment using 68060's used the LC or EC version, which is why they are fairly common and cheap.
@@brostenen Indeed I said that it was one of the causes of increased prices. If a simple Raspberry pi is sold at 4x its cost, I am not surprised to see price surging for any other electronic item. Good point about the gold diggers that melt CPU for materials... I thought that practice was dead but it seems it is still going on. Hopefully there is a way to make replacement CPU that are not FPGA, with modern techniques. I saw different companies using old designs to make comparable IC, although I am not sure Motorola would be happy to share their design without asking for a cut on the sales. It could run basically cold as you say, at 4x multiplier for its frequency
@@10MARC Agree; they were expensive but not THAT expensive. I remember buying a Blizzard MK4 50 for 180 dollars in 2003 or so; and if you look at auctions from the past few years they go for 600 or so. The old 060 cards used to sell for about 400 and now the asked price is almost doubled; for 20+ year old hardware that can fail at any time. Not a fan of FPGA unless there is no other way to source the actual chip; but at one point we have to accept that hardware goes bad once it get old, and if there are no replacement, there are very little venues to keep those machines alive. And this is not only for CPUs; the AA chipset and other relevant IC may go bad too, and I have no idea how to replace those, once that the last batch of working ones will be exhausted. I love my Amiga but I prefer to keep it off and use it once in a while; and for day to day usage a RPI4 is more than enough (after all it goes much faster than FPGA Vampire cards at a 10th of the cost)
The reason why the 060s are expensive is that they are not produced anymore. some was made to 2016 for military use. but very small batches. most of those are recycled for the $15ish worth of gold.. bvut those who actually reaches chipbrokers.. well they know the value. so... and NO.. the MAC never used the 060. not even LC. if that would be the case there would be alot more 060s out there. Apple skipped the 68k cpu aftrer the 040.
I’m really curious to ask you personally. For somebody who always wanted an Amiga computer, but never could afford one in the day. Would you recommend a new purchaser behind the Vampire 4V+ vs RetroPassion refurbished Amiga 1200 with TF1260? With compatibility being the number one issue
Hmmm... to be honest I would go with the Amiga 1200. The Vampire V4 is awesome, but using that kind of modern hardware just does not bring me the same joy as using the original. I feel the same about PiMiga and WinUAE. I love them, they run incredibly fast, but I always migrate back to the original hardware
@@10MARCThanks man I really appreciate it. When it’s the computer that got away it’s something special. A friend had one, an Amiga 1000 when it came vs IBM/Microsoft pc or black and white Mac, I was never so jealous in my entire life.
The plug and play aspects of the Amiga is just mindblowing. As you said trying to plug in a new cpu in a pc of the same era it would be a lot of tinkering needed with different stuff both hardware and sofware wise just to get it to boot, but on the Amiga just boom! Off she goes! Amazing they did that this early on. I got myself a Terrible Fire TF534 card with a 030 @33MHz plus MMU and a FPU for my good ol' A500 and she just flies now. And again it was just plugging it in and it worked. No tinkering required. I'm so spoiled now to have a CF drive with all my games and software installed on it and no longer have to diskswap every few minutes, though I do miss that lovely noise the drive makes. It's just a beloved childhood memory of mine sitting down playing games like Chuck Rock when I was just 4 or 5 years old and hear that drive clicking and buzzing away. Hope you can get your hands on a good RC060 for your gal.
Autoconfig was so far ahead of its time it was amazing. I started selling PC's in 1993 and was flabbergasted at how annoying the constant juggling of DMA channels, IRQ's and memory locations. Gosh... Lets spend an hour tweaking autoexec.bat to try and get our expanded memory to maybe be recognized! What fun!
On the Amiga I just plugged hardware in, and it happily just set itself up.
After I reluctantly sold my 500Plus with Classic520 for practical reasons of space, I was given an Amiga 1200 (I'm very, very happy!!)
So I decided to expand it. Unfortunately I couldn't buy the TF1260 because I needed other replacements to make the 1200 perfect, but I got a TF1230. even if it is not very powerful it gives me great satisfaction!!
More forward I would like to opt for the 1260 with Motorla 680LC60!
PS: Your videos are always beautiful to see!!!!
Being given an A1200 is just wonderful! Those are such marvelous machines, and so expandable. The TF1230 is great for sure, but the TF1260 is so powerful, especially if you can get a custom ROM with the IDE driver built in. So fast!
If theres a part two, would like to see the beachball render without the fpu vs the 040 with one.
Yes, I have to find the AIBB patch for the 060 so I can test it!
@@10MARC Got it, thanks. Was watching at night and AIBB didn't equate in my half asleep head. Thanks for the completeness! Dig the Amiga content that's not all just FPGAs.
@@keyboard_g I am happy with FPGA Amigas, but even happier with the real thing!
Man, if I know one guy in the Amiga community that really needs a full 68060 chip, it’s you buddy 🤗
I know a seller here in Denmark, I will ask him if he still has some rev.6 left.
Thanks for a nice review, cheers 🍻
Let me know if he has any extras! I would love one!
I'm still running an ACA-1231 accelerator in my 1200 (since 2011). Works great and haven't had any issues, but the new breed of accelerators is making me think twice! Great video Doug!
Good review. I think the TF-1260 is a nice card when I look at what it is. I did have an TF-1230, but sold it and I am running a Tsunami-1230 instead. But I have thought about a TF-1260 with the good CPU. But as you mention. Too expensive for what it is. Unless you absolutely just need one and can not live without. Most of the times, an 030 is good enough and will give you plenty of joy.
Yes, a nice 68030 card with a good amount of RAM is nice. It makes an Amiga run like it really should! I like the 68040 & 68060 for graphics work, but most things work just great with a 68030.
I have the TF-1260 with the LC Chip. But try as I might, I don't believe I have the libraries configured correctly. It takes a minute and a half to boot up to desktop icons. I'll have to plan out a free moment and bring it over to Doug to check the settings. For right now, the 1233N-40 runs nicely.
Just let me know before you stop by! I will put on a pot of coffee.
Hmmm put the fpu in the a1200 motherboard like i did. Works like a treat with those tf cards!
So adding a 68060 and the FPU on the A1200 board actually functions properly? That is cool!
Very cool. Have you done a video covering that? If not, you should!
@@wasabinator um yeah thats why i mentioned it., have you seen my chan?
@@10MARC yes, any board without a fpu will use the Amiga internal one, yeah it will be clocked at the board speed, but who cares. a fpu is a fpu and it does wonders with my 1230, so a pseudo replacement for a LC 060, even if you had a full blown X series, it would just use the fpu of the card and not the board.
@@ChrisEdwardsRestoration I think that since there is no way to shut it off, it becomes the only FPU available in the system? Like if you in the future add a full RC chip, the two FPU's would conflict? Of course, at that time I would just pop out the onboard one!
Hey Doug. Thanks for another informative video. Can you (well, anyone really) tell me where to find the correct 68060.library for this LC 060 please? I've looked on Aminet but can only find the Phase5 library. Would this suffice, or am I looking for a generic library?
Hmm... I use the ones from Amiga OS 3.2, which are the MMU.lib versions. Those seem to work OK.
@@10MARC Thanks Doug. I did look on my distro, but didn't see them. I'll take a gander at the CD contents too.
AIBB, In the tool types you can tell it you have a 68000, and MMU but no FPU- that worked for me since the 68060 seems to be able to emulate the 68000 (running at 060 speeds).
I have read that their is an unofficial patch for it to support 68060... I just need to find it. I really like AIBB testing.
@@10MARC Yeah, I downloaded it, it's not an official patch but it requires some third party program to go and patch your installation. When, I unpacked it, it was just a bunch of files with no instructions on where they go, and double clicking the executable doesn't do anything. I found it on the English Amiga board under "Unofficial AIBB v6.5 68060 Compatibility patch" title. Hopefully, you figure out how to patch the install.
My ImageFX!! Doug!!! :) Great video and timed perfectly with my next video.(you'll see) So many great options out there for MORE POWER!
Never enough power for the Amiga!
I have Tf1260 with LC v4 running stable @100Mhz with Beta firmware - now issues at all!
Oh now that is a zippy machine! I have not even played with the utility to overclock it yet!
Hi Great video. I have a Terrible Fire and I'm trying to add a booting hard drive to it. What drives work? I found a SSD module will not be recognized. I have the EIDE.device written in a 3.2.1 rom. Is Compact Flash my only option?
Hmmm.... I have used it with a pretty standard CF interface. Does your SSD module work on your normal IDE interface on your Amiga just fine?
I had pin 1 the wrong way. Did not notice that dot on the board. Using a CF now. My rom was suppose to have Ehide.device in rom. It does not. Work great but I have to double-boot.
@@cevoner glad to here you got it figured out. It's worth it to get a custom ROM for sure. That controller is fast!
@@10MARC Yes with Professional Filesystem the drive screams at over 6. speed. I think the SSD will work yet I'm happy with the CF. I should have had the driver it in rom like I ordered it. Having to boot twice is simply a drag.
I have to wonder, does this also make an impact on game performance? Willing to bet it eliminates slowdown for the most part.
Most games I played play just fine via WHDLOAD. Games that take advantage of a fast CPU really shine for sure! Doom and Quake work great on a 68060
Thank you for the advice on image effects. I bought one of the A3660 (lc060 @60 mhz) from the Amiga store for my 4000 and had the same issues you had. Sysinfo 46 MIPS
What a beast that card is. The TF1230 is enough for me, but fantastic this is an option, especially as it's new.
For sure the TF1230 is perfect for making the A1200 the ultimate Amiga Game machine. You don't need anything more than that for WHDLOAD. The only practical use for an 060 is for high end demos and productivity software. I do love the speed!
Lovely review =D With the latest firmware, you can run the LC060 at 95Mhz!!! I've been running mine at 95Mhz for months now and provided you have a heatsink and fan, it's rock solid stable.
Oh now that is nice! I am hoping that mine has some of the latest firmware since it is brand new! I may stick to 66 MHz just to keep things nice and cool.
Thank you for this video. I've had my eye on one of these so I can replace my ACA1221lc, and this is a nice 10 minute demo (with 27 minutes of bonus footage!) of what one of these puppies can do. ;) Just gotta save up enough beans to order one, but once I do this is gonna be a super nice upgrade.
For the money these are really nice. On a perfect world the full RC CPU's would only be about $150 or so... But supply and demand is a real thing!
I see you have Shapeshifter installed, can you still get it to run. I can't get it to work with my TF1260 installed.
I tried it once and it did not work. I will look into it more and see if I can get it to work.
MAC OS doesn't work with 060. so it can be a reason
What version of sysinfo are you using? I'm using a tf1230 and sysinfo 4.4 but it crashes anytime I try and do the speed test for the enhanced ide...
I think it is 4.4 that I am using. It has worked pretty well with my 060.
@@10MARC hmmm maybe there's something wrong with my copy of it, I'll try downloading another and see what happens. Everything else with the tf1230 is spot on (except it seems to not like my sd card adapters, i had to go compact flash) and this sysinfo thing is really annoying lol.
I strangely had the same issue. I ordered a modern redo of the processor board on my a4000 (originally the a3640 board) with an LC060 with no FPU. The a3660 card worked for games and some apps but most apps that could detect the 060 expected the FPU and crashed or guru’ed the machine. Adpro, Final Calc and many more.
I ended up using my 040 processor card more than the LC 060 processor card since the 040 has an FPU built in.
In the end I bought a full rev 6 version of the 060 with FPU. Very fast and works to 75Mhz. Found one on eBay for $150. Doug’s right though: they now go for about $350 and are completely worth it.
I think this is very true. Software that can be installed that supports 68060 just expects an FPU. Chucky Hertell had good advice... Just think of the 680LC60 as a really fast 68030 and install software for that.
I got a TF 1260 for my A1200 its nice. I have got the 68060 with the FPU.
What a nice combination! Did you overclock yours or is it at 50 Mhz?
@@10MARC I have not done it yet. But I am looking at ways to cool the 68060 as there is not much space under the keyboard.
Thing is.. IF you use a 68LC060. you NEED to treat your machine as a 030 witthout fpu. as most 040/060 softwares defaults to have a FPU so you will have issues.. but if you install 030 software without fpu etc. it will be just fine and a really fast "030 card".
but yeah a real RC cpu is the best. especially the rev6. then most machines will run at up to 100MHz
For sure! It really is fast, but less versatile than my Blizzard 040 card. I am one of the few who really wants an FPU!
@@drphilxr Yep - They certainly are fast, but so much of the advantage is gone without the FPU. I plan on getting a full RC chip, but if I was not, I would go back to my 40 Mhz Blizzard 040 in a minute.
I priced it with the options I'd want, and it came to 863 euros. A Vampire 1200 V2 is 593 euros with the clock and EthreNet, so FPGA or not, it's an order of magnitude better deal with multiple times the performance. Bang for the buck is just unbeatable.
I do not disagree with you at all. Those 68RC060 chips are to darn expensive! It's reasonable with an LC chip... but the lack of an FPU is a bummer.
I use oxypatcher to speed up FPU renders
I guess I need to check that out! Aminet, here I come!
Not sure what rev is in your A4000D but if it has a the full rev6 060 pull it out and put it into the TF1260 so you can overclock it etc. Then buy a full rev5 RC 060 for the A4000 they will run all day @66Mhz should save a few $$
I think she is a Rev 5 68060 in my A4000. I had it running at 80 MHz for a while but she was incredibly unstable. I brought her down to 66 MHz and she runs fine there.
Neat!
It makes for a nice system! I especially like the increased hard drive speed.
Confession: I paid $500 for a full rev. 6. (Love the 95mhz stable frequency though) spicy little tamale under load though. ;)
Yikes! That's a lot of $$ for a CPU! If it makes you happy it's worth every penny, though.
@@10MARC My justification? "Well, others are buying from this lot, so I'm not the only insane one"
(Oh, and I gave that to you in CAD, so more like $400 USD)
Honestly, it's really a dream to fire up it up on a towered system which Stephen fought hard to ensure would work, it took little, if any intervention on my part to get it working and I'm sure it will give me years of enjoyment.
You could perhaps sell the 040 and put the money towards a REV 6 060, prices will only get worse as folks start thinking of upgrading the masses of new cards out there, the upcoming release of the TF360 and TF4060 won't help the situation, I have one Rev 6 but need another.
Nah. I won't sell that Blizzard 040! She is a wonderful card!
I think a sniper had you tagged for most of the video. I'm relieved he didn't shoot.
Every day I use my AWFUL Windows 10 i9 12900KF 6900XT, I swear I’m going to bite the bullet and buy another A3000/060/66.
Ha! That is one fast chip! Speed does not equate to fun, though.
@@10MARC
My 12900 is not practically faster than my last real hardware A3000/060 Amiga (2004). Windows 10 has only recently become tolerable running from flash mem SSDs. AOS ran from flash mem on my A1000 in 1985. I used to run it from a RAM disk with my A3000. My 12900 machine scores a perfect 131% 100% on Userbench, and it still can’t multitask, at all. One CPU or GPU intensive thing at a time brings the machine to its knees. Overall, the legacy Amiga experience was a much faster productivity machine, minus number crunching which is trivial to single task on dedicated hardware anyway.
Doomy.. oh boy.. lol
Yep... I had no idea it was our friend... Honestly, the CPU was a good price and the transaction was flawless, so I have nothing to say about that!
think he uses a diffrent name on tube but it something about "show"... that screams about needed editing!. :)
@@Alphadec He actually has about a half dozen names he goes by. Doomy is the old stand by from the late 90's that I remember him by.
Sold it to me :-)
And I do hope you are enjoying it!
Do you know why those CPU cost so much? Beside the chip shortage that forced any electronic item to cost more, and the fact that there were not that many of those 060 (even the mac used the LC variant for most part), it is because there are people that own more than one Amiga and are willing to spend 350+ for those.
How do we solve the problem? Stop buying those CPU, so whoever buy them in large quantity to make a profit on those, end up loosing money and the price go down. It is simple economics 101... As long as there are people willing to pay for something unnecessary (if you already have one, buying a second 060 main variant is a waste; unless you use both the 4000 and the 1200 for work, which I find hard to believe), prices will stay that way and anyone that does not even have one 060 is forced to pay extortion prices.
As usual, the community in the Amiga world is what usually mess up things, and give the chance to scalpers and people that does not even care about the Amiga at all, to make profit out of our pockets. I saw Amiga pricing skyrocket in the past 10 years or so, not because stuff became rare, but because people figured out that Amiga collectors are people in their mid 40s usually, that have disposable income, and are literally skinning anyone trying to buy Amiga related hardware and software. It is like sharks smelling blood; and as long as people continue to buy stuff, thinking to do a favor to the community by keeping small companies alive, there will be people taking advantage of real Amiga collectors.
Those 060's were expensive even before Covid-19. The answer is just simple in this case.... Too few CPU's in the world. Just like Pentium PRO now. Gold diggers have destroyed so many in the hunt for 0.25 gram gold per CPU, that there now are so few, that the rest are more expensive than what gold value they contain.
The next step is to take an FPGA and implement a full 060 core and have it all as a CPU socket drop-in. You only need the CPU core it self and nothing else. That might be able to be done way cheaper than a real ceramic one from Motorola. And imagine. A 250 mhz 060 in 1:1 replica. That never runs hot at all.
I get what you are saying, but my 680RC60 that I bought in 2018 was incredibly expensive. I am not sure if there ever was a time when they were "cheap". Honestly not many computers ever used them. Most equipment using 68060's used the LC or EC version, which is why they are fairly common and cheap.
@@brostenen Indeed I said that it was one of the causes of increased prices. If a simple Raspberry pi is sold at 4x its cost, I am not surprised to see price surging for any other electronic item.
Good point about the gold diggers that melt CPU for materials... I thought that practice was dead but it seems it is still going on.
Hopefully there is a way to make replacement CPU that are not FPGA, with modern techniques. I saw different companies using old designs to make comparable IC, although I am not sure Motorola would be happy to share their design without asking for a cut on the sales. It could run basically cold as you say, at 4x multiplier for its frequency
@@10MARC Agree; they were expensive but not THAT expensive.
I remember buying a Blizzard MK4 50 for 180 dollars in 2003 or so; and if you look at auctions from the past few years they go for 600 or so. The old 060 cards used to sell for about 400 and now the asked price is almost doubled; for 20+ year old hardware that can fail at any time.
Not a fan of FPGA unless there is no other way to source the actual chip; but at one point we have to accept that hardware goes bad once it get old, and if there are no replacement, there are very little venues to keep those machines alive. And this is not only for CPUs; the AA chipset and other relevant IC may go bad too, and I have no idea how to replace those, once that the last batch of working ones will be exhausted. I love my Amiga but I prefer to keep it off and use it once in a while; and for day to day usage a RPI4 is more than enough (after all it goes much faster than FPGA Vampire cards at a 10th of the cost)
The reason why the 060s are expensive is that they are not produced anymore. some was made to 2016 for military use. but very small batches. most of those are recycled for the $15ish worth of gold.. bvut those who actually reaches chipbrokers.. well they know the value. so...
and NO.. the MAC never used the 060. not even LC. if that would be the case there would be alot more 060s out there. Apple skipped the 68k cpu aftrer the 040.
Sell me the Blizzard card and make some of your money back!
Hmmmm.... Ya.... no...
She is my pride and joy!
I’m really curious to ask you personally. For somebody who always wanted an Amiga computer, but never could afford one in the day. Would you recommend a new purchaser behind the Vampire 4V+ vs RetroPassion refurbished Amiga 1200 with TF1260? With compatibility being the number one issue
Hmmm... to be honest I would go with the Amiga 1200. The Vampire V4 is awesome, but using that kind of modern hardware just does not bring me the same joy as using the original. I feel the same about PiMiga and WinUAE. I love them, they run incredibly fast, but I always migrate back to the original hardware
@@10MARCThanks man I really appreciate it. When it’s the computer that got away it’s something special. A friend had one, an Amiga 1000 when it came vs IBM/Microsoft pc or black and white Mac, I was never so jealous in my entire life.