What I like about a lot of the retro TH-camrs is that they DO show their mistakes and things they're not proud of. Not only does it help us newbies learn (and not repeat those mistakes HOPEFULLY), but it reminds us that we're all human and always have the opportunity to do better in the future when we make mistakes. Thanks for showing this, Jan!
No need to apologize. You work with what you got and what you know. You have grown since then, and that is the whole point. Thank you for all the great content.
Still waiting for 5 years now for the keycaps from the campaign. Stll disspointed what's happening there (or better what's NOT happening there). Not only because of the pandemic issues, but for the whole process itself. While still bakers are waiting and hoping for delivery, others managed to produce compatible and good loklng keycaps and keyboards. I'm jealous right now. Good work Jan.
It’s the same for me, still waiting but at this point I’m not really expecting to receive any keycaps, ordered when I was about 21 now I’m 26 maybe I’ll have some luck on my 30th birthday then haha 😆
As a programming teacher said to us "if the fix works leave it alone" and "perfection in the enemy of the good". I recapped my A1200 years ago with new caps I have no idea on the brand or the quality of soldering, but it works. If it fails in 20 years, or the post-it note sitting under the CFcard sets it on fire, I got a couple more decades out of it.
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Awesome stuff Jan! It is so cool that we are getting different people making mechanical keyboards for the Amiga. I love the one I have from Kipper2K. I am very grateful for them all putting in their time. Making these keyboards isn't an easy task.
It's a tribute to the original design that just adding a clear case and a black keyboard makes it look completely new. It wouldn't look out of place on a modern desk. I hear what you are saying about the nostalgia itch but you can always change it back if you want to. Speaking of itches, those bent over caps must have been in the back of your mind for ages 😊.
I've had through hole leads migrate through electrical tape insulation over time. I'd recommend putting a thin piece of cardboard over the leads before wrapping with tape to make sure nothing shorts out.
Tolles Video, Jan! I'm so glad you left in the recap of the capacitors. It's a lesson to others out there who may take a recapping shortcut, which is clearly related to time and laziness, and not expense. Ich finde deine Videos immer super hilfreich und freue ich mich auf mehre :-).
I remember when you recapped that A1200. Time flies and you have come a long way. That keyboard looks very nice! All my Amiga's still have the original keyboards although I have had to replace membranes and on the A500 I have had issues with dry solder joints which caused keyboard issues. It's nice to see options available and I appreciate it when you show these available options because it helps us keep our old friends alive.
The A1200 was such a bittersweet machine for me. I got an A500 in 1990 after prices had fallen to something I could afford. By 1993 when the A1200 finally came out we were all ready for "the next thing". I recall the A1200 being a disappointment in terms of both cost, and capabilities. I was a poor college student at the time. Investing in a new monitor, a new computer, and a new hard drive (my A500 had SCSI) was completely out of the question. PCs had gotten so much cheaper that they had actually become less expensive than an Amiga. Since so few were produced (especially in the US) they're still a bit UN-obtainable. It was still cool though! I kind of wish we had this design again where the computer, keyboard, hard drive are all in one unit.
Funny, I wasn't following many news sources back then, but do remember being really excited about the 1200. I had no idea about what other systems were doing and was just amazed about the amount of colors the AGA chipset could produce. :) Ignorance is bliss sometimes.
@@VincentGroenewold Yeah, by 1993 AGA was mostly just keeping up with SVGA. It wasn't anything astonishing. Economies of scale and competition had driven down prices of graphics cards to where Commodore wasn't really competitive on price anymore. Commodore had about a 4 year lead on everyone, and they completely blew it. Sometimes I wonder what would have happened in Irving Gould hadn't fired Jack Tramiel.
@@tetsujin_144 I'm sure it could and I think that's what Amiga on the Lake did but I bet it's a big problem if you are one man trying to make a Keyboard by yourself. In the end Amiga on the Lake have barely shipped any of the A500 keyboards they sold years ago
IBM never used Cherry keys. They had buckling spring techniqe. But Commodore had Cherry keys in the A2000 Braunschweig edition (which was my first Amiga). So for me an Amiga with Cherry black is the real nostalgic feel (I used the A2000 BE keyboard also on my A4000 later).
You are correct, of course. I just wanted to make the point that the Cherry style switches are nothing new. Sorry that I got carried away and wrongly mentioned IBM. :D
You should flip the CF-card adapter in the opposite direction, so it doesn't cover the cooling holes on your scanline doubler. Also, take REALLY good care of that Blizzard 1230 IV. Those are prohibitively expense now. I really hope that keyboard becomes available again. I want it soooo bad.
Nice to have another mechanical keyboard option for the A1200 to go with the kipper2k one sold by Amiga On The Lake! I have one, I think it is awesome, implemented differently but similar end result. Thanks Jan :)
That looks so good now! It makes me wish modern computers still came as these wedges. It would be awesome to have a Raspberry Pi 400 that looked this good.
A way to make these keyboards more readily available, could be to sell just the PCBs or a PCB/keycap-kit. I wouldn't mind building my own keyboard, with the switches of my choice. Keycaps are a bit more difficult with Amiga keys, the bigger F-keys etc.
I have to admit, I'm in two minds about the keyboard. As much as I love mech keyboards (I have five of them for all my PC boxes), I would like to keep my Amiga parts close to original. I mean, I'm all for upgrade and mods of internal stuff, but those parts that interact with me I would like to keep in the old spirit. I still want to hear that original floppy sound, I still want to feel that original keyboard - all that feeling I fell in love with 30 years ago. Like when you restore a '69 muscle car - I'd definitely use modern brakes, but I'd never use modern Recaro seats, for example.
@@ButterfatFarms I was clearly talking about my Amiga and my doubts if I would do the keyboard. Jan can do with his Amiga whatever he likes, obviously, and I like that he experiments and tests stuff.
Seriously thinking of getting one of those cases for my 1200 once i either replace the board or manage to fix the chaos on the board thanks to two decades in my attic. Luckily my A2000 faired better and my A500 only lost its 512k card when the battery went bad.
Since the keycaps are XDA you can just swap them around and keep at least some of the German layout. You know since XDA is a uniform profile. And now try replacing the switches with Zeal Clickiez or Novelkeys Thick Clicks.
So Jan, These look like XDA profile caps, so you should be able to physically cut the traces and bodge wire swap the A and Z keys, and then just swap their caps. The caps should all be flat profile so it wont look weird. Also, my friend has been waiting for his clear A1200 keycaps for over FIVE YEARS, delay after delay after delay.
I'm drooling for that modded A1200 right now. Looks so much like the iMac G3 which I love for its design and also uses blue switches which are amazing 😄 Also like how you kept your sister's Amiga for so long, pretty neat.
Oehhhhhhh, interesting. Might replace mine as well. I did get the keycaps, but later found out I ordered the UK one.... darn. :) For the case and keycaps I really don't mind to replace those, back in the day my Amiga also wasn't yellow nor retro brighted.
The matching of the symbols is nice, but the perfectionist in me is bothered by the font not being Helvetica! Heh. Very nice PCB though. I’d love an Amiga with BOX blue/jade/pink. Edit: By the way, speaking of transparent case and Apple inspired, have you seen the Matias Tactile Pro range? They use clones of the ALPS switches Apple used in the 80s, but with a design like the early-00s Pro Keyboard (inc the USB ports on each side). I notice you’ve just got grey keycaps with your Hackintosh behind you.
Regarding the keys - well, the layout is in software, so if you set a German keymap the keys are where you'd expect... the only difference will be the keycaps will then be wrong :) But your muscle memory will be right :) You can always swap the Y and Z around at least :)
I tried both the German and the US layout in software now and I feel more comfortable with the US layout I think. It's not only the umlauts and the Y/Z thing, some of the punctuation and special characters are in different locations in the German layout and that's more confusing than the letters. :D
Oh, there was an update a couple of days ago and it seems the project is in the last stage before production begins. Final problem was that some of the printing on the keycaps wasn’t perfectly aligned. Not long now, I would guess! :)
Oh my god.... This is awesomme. I have been on the website, but the maker does not take new orders. I would really like to have one my self, especially the soyus colour scheme are nice. Do you know if there is a way to order this in a kit form?
You would have to ask Sergiusz yourself. I think he plans on making a couple of small batches of these in the future, no idea if he's going to offer kits. Soldering the flat flex for example is a pretty delicate operation as far as I understand.
@@JanBeta Ahh... I have seen at the page, and there are no contact information. I believe it is to not get flooded by requests. If I can not get one at any point, then I will have to make due.with a grey case alone.
That was a very interesting video my friend. nice to see you all the work done. You made an excellend working A1200. Machts gut und eine shonne sontag!!!
The "capacitor plague" is supposedly due to double corporate espionage, where an engineer incorrectly copied the new electrolyte formula from Rubicon. He brought it to China, where it was then re-stolen and taken to Taiwan. IIRC, Abit was the only manufacturer that admitted that their leaky caps came from Taiwan. Rubicon's formula allowed for a more compact electrolytic cap, allowing for wider range SMD use.
That particular cause of capacitor problems came much later. From capacitors produced circa 1999-2007 or so. I had one of the A-Bit motherboards that failed. IIRC I bought it in maybe 1999, and it died in maybe 2002. (Pretty crummy the have hardware fail after only 3 years). I'm still curious as to what caused the capacitor plague of the early 90s, but I don't believe it was the same as the really horrible 3 year lifetime of the caps made in the the early 2000s. IIUC the problem with the early 90s caps was about "early surface mount caps". There's a LOT of Macs from that era that have self destructed from corrosive electrolyte leaking on the PCB.
I know some Amigas did come with some fairly nice linear mechanical switches but I'm not sure if the 1200 did. And either way they weren't cherry or Alps so you wouldn't be able to get replacement switches or keycaps anyway.
The A2000 made in Braunschweig, Germany, was made with original Cherry switches (black switches). The keycaps were double-shot, exept for the Amiga keys (they are pad printed). The function keys are 1u only (not 1.25 u like on the other Amigas). I actually bought Din->Mini Din adapter and used it on my A4000 later. Definitly the best Amiga keyboard ever (and as you can open cherry switches and change the stem, you even can make it clicky and/or tactile if you want without soldering).
@@oleurgast730 Neat. Most of them used NMB Space Invaders. Probably pretty valuable keycaps on that thing. It looks like all of the 500/1200/600s had cost-reduced keyboards, with the low end mechanical switches like the C64s, that rubber dome keyboards basically deleted from the market overnight.
At least it's not a pure PC layout, but still some misplaced keys. Unfortunately it's unlike any other mechanical keyboard, and doesn't any curvature to the keyboard rows. The curvature is there to follow the shape of human hands.
There seems to be quite a lot of movement in that kb '@ 29:57 did you have clipped into its slots at the bottom? Or had you not fastened lid down at the front?
15:08 aw, man... That tape will leave a disgusting residue where you used it. Should have used hot glue instead. Apply it from the top, starting from the pins of the socket, then go around the edge of the board, over the solder joints of the socket, and wrap around the other side, that way it will be more firmly stuck on the adapter and you won't risk it coming loose.
Considering how often he has to deal with 'million screw' keyboard repairs I think it's time that Jan got an electric screwdriver. Also, it may be over exposure to modern gaming systems, but seeing a clear casing without some LED's behind it seems wrong to me.
@@Breakfast_of_Champions They do, but they're more limited than you think. You can't input all the needed German characters with a US mapping on an Amiga.
@@AmartharDrakestone On the Amiga you can map all the latin characters to any key via custom keymaps. Of course that includes umlauts and accents. I'm not informed about Unicode capabilities, but the last time I checked normal .ttf fonts were working and could be mapped to keypresses.
Some footage was shot without the plate, that’s why the keyboard wobbles in some closeups. It’s absolutely solid with the metal backing plate though (as seem towards the end of the video). :)
Ceramic capactitors are perfect in the Amiga 1200 for anything except the audio circuit and composite video circuit. In the audio circuit, you would lower the audio quality a little bit, but I bet it isn't that noticable. Just those THT electrolytic capacitors look a bit ugly IMO and would warrant to be redone.
except that ceramic capacitors is voltagedependent. so you will have the wrong capacitance. a booting machine if not a proof of working machine. so no. ceramic capacitors is not a viable replacement for the caps.
@@ChuckyGang Please read the electronic schematic and tell me which capacitors have cricitical capitance. As I told you, this only is the case in the audio and composite video circuits.
@@danielmantione yes as ceramic capacitors vary depending on voltage. they will not have the correct capacitance. meaning you are putting in "random values". as youtube do not allow putting in URLs I tell you to google ceramic capacitors and voltagedepenecy and you will see.. simply put: there are a reason a special type of capacitor is used. do not change. as told. a booting machine is no proof of working caps. you could put in diodes in place of the caps and the machine would still boot. is that ok then? no.. keep the same type. period.
Is it possible to remap \| and #~ to the positions where the blanks are and can " and @ be swapped over in software? Having \| next to backspace is stupid. @ should be Shift + ' and be between ;: and #~. The layout would be correct then. If you press CTRL + ALT + 4 do you get € or does that not work?
i would like to stick a raspberry pi in that clear case, is there a pc keyboard that fits the a1200 case? thanks for the video :) they are always good, wish you did more.
No, there is no PC keyboard fitting. Also the keyrath v2, wich can adapt an a1200 keyboard and the jocksticks to usb is out of stock due to chip crisis at the moment. If you have an Anycubic Chiron (FDM printer with 410 by 410 printbed) you might print an A600 case. Thats what I intend to do (have to repair the chiron first...). Black Carbon Fibre PETG and Powder coated spring steel to print on should look nice, but maybe transparent PETG might work also. For the A600 both an open source mechanical keyboard pcb and an open source keyboard controller are available. If you combine this with a Pi, a draw bridge with disk drive and a slot in cd drive, you would get a perfect emulator...
Hey Jan, The keyboard looks great with your new case! 😀👍 Have you considered to taken on the project to build a Re-Amiga A1200 Rev 1.5 board? This would be very interesting experience! It would compliment the new c64 you built last year. 😉
Although I bought a black case and a black Kipper 2K (looks similar to this) keyboard so you can't see inside, I just bought a white Re-Amiga A1200 board that I'm going to build, because I know it's there :-)
Man, that keyboard looks great, shame they used terrible nonstandard switches. I see people in the comments talking about replacing the switches, and that would be nice, (especially cause blues suck) but I'm 99% sure those are a certain Kailh switch only available as red linears and these blue clickies, with overall smaller dimensions than actual MX format switches, so the footprint isn't compatible most likely. AFAIK these are the same as on the IQUNIX M80, unfortunate.
They look like standard footprint cherry compatible to me. It’s not the low profile caps, those have a different stem design. The clear casing just makes it look flatter with the foreshortening when he takes the key off
@@kaitlyn__L They look pretty distinctly like the Kailh mid-height switches used in the M80, which are *almost* the same design, size, and footprint of Cherry MX. Hard to notice by themselves, but nonetheless shrunk down. The colors and materials are the same as the Kailhs, the legs are noticeably flat at the ends rather than tapered as in MX switches, the edge of the top housing extends all the way over the side of the bottom housing on one edge (light pipe?), the clips seem to be the same style as the mid-heights rather than MX style or what Kailh and Outemu use for a lot of their switches, and the pins/pads seem to be closer to the plastic legs as with on the M80 (no spacing between the closest hole and via/pad rather than the slight
@@nothlur yes, I suppose out of context of another board it can be hard to eyeball these proportions, so never mind what I said heh. I think Kailh should be clearer with their naming scheme.
@@kaitlyn__L Yeah, "mid profile mechanical switch" isn't too descriptive of them, especially when there's other actually MX compatible mid profile switches around lol. Also doesn't help that "mechanical keyboard" just means MX to most people these days, gets even more mixed up.
@@nothlur as an ALPS fan I used to get upset by that last thing, though now I’ve made peace with it for cool keycaps… and TBH I didn’t realise they’d made middle-sized MX stem compatible ones, was just thinking of the “Chocs”. So now there’s multiple kinds of “Kailh Blues” 🙄 ugh.
It's unfortunately no longer on sale. It was a hobbyist project to begin with and I think the demand for new Amiga keyboards was a bit overwhelming. A1200net are working on a similar project though that should be available eventually and there are some other options (that are only available in small batches mostly unfortunately), for example the Kipper2K replacement keyboard.
Yes. They solved that with either an elongated Enter key or a blank key in different Amiga keyboard revisions. I’ve seen both. Later versions seem to usually have the blank key.
The bent caps where kinda funny, i laughed a lil bit at first, but hey, since they worked... some of them are hard to desolder cause the gnd plane they are connected. Never had it desoldered without issues. i would personally reconsider and left them alone. All in all nobody sees that since the case is closed ;)
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hey Jan, it's like the board flexes when you press the keys? am i wrong?
Some footage was shot without the metal backing plate, that’s why it looks wobbly in some closeups. It is super solid with the metal plate in place. Sorry if that comes across a bit confusing.
I didn’t experience any problems with the capacitors myself, but I’ve heard from a number of peeps now that there can be timing issues, especially when using fast accelerator cards and such. The specs are definitely not the same and random oscillation may appear, even if most caps are just bypass or filter caps in the A1200. Won’t recommend using anything but electrolytic or polymer caps!
@@JanBeta Thanks for the heads up. I bought a cap kit with ceramics but luckily not used them yet for my ReAmiga 1200. I'll get the proper ones. Thanks. 👍
Hi jan, I need to contact the creator to the keyboard, i bought an a1200 online with the same keyboard and pcb(only different color), but my ribnon canle is damaged ao i cant use the keyboard. Can you provide me his email or so you know how i can contact him?
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What I like about a lot of the retro TH-camrs is that they DO show their mistakes and things they're not proud of. Not only does it help us newbies learn (and not repeat those mistakes HOPEFULLY), but it reminds us that we're all human and always have the opportunity to do better in the future when we make mistakes. Thanks for showing this, Jan!
I completely agree
No need to apologize. You work with what you got and what you know. You have grown since then, and that is the whole point. Thank you for all the great content.
Still waiting for 5 years now for the keycaps from the campaign. Stll disspointed what's happening there (or better what's NOT happening there). Not only because of the pandemic issues, but for the whole process itself. While still bakers are waiting and hoping for delivery, others managed to produce compatible and good loklng keycaps and keyboards. I'm jealous right now. Good work Jan.
It’s the same for me, still waiting but at this point I’m not really expecting to receive any keycaps, ordered when I was about 21 now I’m 26 maybe I’ll have some luck on my 30th birthday then haha 😆
As a programming teacher said to us "if the fix works leave it alone" and "perfection in the enemy of the good". I recapped my A1200 years ago with new caps I have no idea on the brand or the quality of soldering, but it works. If it fails in 20 years, or the post-it note sitting under the CFcard sets it on fire, I got a couple more decades out of it.
As a C= 8-bit guy, i have to say: It looks really beautiful and fits in mmy eyes great to the transparent housing!
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Awesome stuff Jan! It is so cool that we are getting different people making mechanical keyboards for the Amiga. I love the one I have from Kipper2K. I am very grateful for them all putting in their time. Making these keyboards isn't an easy task.
It's a tribute to the original design that just adding a clear case and a black keyboard makes it look completely new. It wouldn't look out of place on a modern desk. I hear what you are saying about the nostalgia itch but you can always change it back if you want to. Speaking of itches, those bent over caps must have been in the back of your mind for ages 😊.
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*uck yes!! I agree!!😁
I have one of the original cherry module “chicken lips” keyboards in my A500, so nice to type on, so glad I got that when I bought it back in 85.
I've had through hole leads migrate through electrical tape insulation over time. I'd recommend putting a thin piece of cardboard over the leads before wrapping with tape to make sure nothing shorts out.
Awesome!
I would have spray painted the steel base plate all black but this looks okay too.
Tolles Video, Jan! I'm so glad you left in the recap of the capacitors. It's a lesson to others out there who may take a recapping shortcut, which is clearly related to time and laziness, and not expense. Ich finde deine Videos immer super hilfreich und freue ich mich auf mehre :-).
I remember when you recapped that A1200. Time flies and you have come a long way. That keyboard looks very nice! All my Amiga's still have the original keyboards although I have had to replace membranes and on the A500 I have had issues with dry solder joints which caused keyboard issues. It's nice to see options available and I appreciate it when you show these available options because it helps us keep our old friends alive.
The A1200 was such a bittersweet machine for me. I got an A500 in 1990 after prices had fallen to something I could afford. By 1993 when the A1200 finally came out we were all ready for "the next thing". I recall the A1200 being a disappointment in terms of both cost, and capabilities. I was a poor college student at the time. Investing in a new monitor, a new computer, and a new hard drive (my A500 had SCSI) was completely out of the question. PCs had gotten so much cheaper that they had actually become less expensive than an Amiga. Since so few were produced (especially in the US) they're still a bit UN-obtainable.
It was still cool though! I kind of wish we had this design again where the computer, keyboard, hard drive are all in one unit.
Funny, I wasn't following many news sources back then, but do remember being really excited about the 1200. I had no idea about what other systems were doing and was just amazed about the amount of colors the AGA chipset could produce. :) Ignorance is bliss sometimes.
@@VincentGroenewold Yeah, by 1993 AGA was mostly just keeping up with SVGA. It wasn't anything astonishing. Economies of scale and competition had driven down prices of graphics cards to where Commodore wasn't really competitive on price anymore. Commodore had about a 4 year lead on everyone, and they completely blew it.
Sometimes I wonder what would have happened in Irving Gould hadn't fired Jack Tramiel.
I hope this seller chooses to make an A500/500+ version. It looks fantastic!
We all hope for that but the A500 has a keyboard controller chip which complicates it
@@greenfoam Does it? I'd have thought that keyboard controller could be replaced pretty simply with a modern microcontroller.
@@tetsujin_144 I'm sure it could and I think that's what Amiga on the Lake did but I bet it's a big problem if you are one man trying to make a Keyboard by yourself. In the end Amiga on the Lake have barely shipped any of the A500 keyboards they sold years ago
IBM never used Cherry keys. They had buckling spring techniqe. But Commodore had Cherry keys in the A2000 Braunschweig edition (which was my first Amiga). So for me an Amiga with Cherry black is the real nostalgic feel (I used the A2000 BE keyboard also on my A4000 later).
You are correct, of course. I just wanted to make the point that the Cherry style switches are nothing new. Sorry that I got carried away and wrongly mentioned IBM. :D
You should flip the CF-card adapter in the opposite direction, so it doesn't cover the cooling holes on your scanline doubler.
Also, take REALLY good care of that Blizzard 1230 IV. Those are prohibitively expense now.
I really hope that keyboard becomes available again. I want it soooo bad.
Nice to have another mechanical keyboard option for the A1200 to go with the kipper2k one sold by Amiga On The Lake! I have one, I think it is awesome, implemented differently but similar end result. Thanks Jan :)
Love the look of that keyboard on the 1200. I'm very jealous!
Wow, very cool Jan! Really impressed with the quality of that! Shame there's a backlog with them, because I would certainly like to buy a couple.
Yes, these are amazing! It’s a one-man operation though so Sergiusz can only make small batches at once obviously. :)
@@JanBeta I got my name down back in December when I came across his project. Hopefully not too much longer of a wait.
@@JanBeta YEAH!!.. next video.. let's put a Carbon Fiber Rear Spoiler, Underglow Lights, and some NOS for top speed!! 🤩
That looks so good now! It makes me wish modern computers still came as these wedges. It would be awesome to have a Raspberry Pi 400 that looked this good.
A way to make these keyboards more readily available, could be to sell just the PCBs or a PCB/keycap-kit. I wouldn't mind building my own keyboard, with the switches of my choice. Keycaps are a bit more difficult with Amiga keys, the bigger F-keys etc.
I would definitely buy one for my A1200. Unfortunately Sergiusz was flooded with orders... But I'm patient... Great video!
Well done Jan. Most honest of you. Great looking keyboard.
YEAH!!.. next video.. let's put a Carbon Fiber Rear Spoiler, Underglow Lights, and some NOS for top speed!! 🤩
I have to admit, I'm in two minds about the keyboard. As much as I love mech keyboards (I have five of them for all my PC boxes), I would like to keep my Amiga parts close to original. I mean, I'm all for upgrade and mods of internal stuff, but those parts that interact with me I would like to keep in the old spirit. I still want to hear that original floppy sound, I still want to feel that original keyboard - all that feeling I fell in love with 30 years ago. Like when you restore a '69 muscle car - I'd definitely use modern brakes, but I'd never use modern Recaro seats, for example.
@@ButterfatFarms I was clearly talking about my Amiga and my doubts if I would do the keyboard. Jan can do with his Amiga whatever he likes, obviously, and I like that he experiments and tests stuff.
This was OBVIOUSLY a great video!
Jan,il tuo A1200 con la keyboard nera nel case trasparente e' straordinario,l'AMIGA perfetto !!
Seriously thinking of getting one of those cases for my 1200 once i either replace the board or manage to fix the chaos on the board thanks to two decades in my attic. Luckily my A2000 faired better and my A500 only lost its 512k card when the battery went bad.
For the day and age, the Amiga Keyboards aren´t that terrible. Nice Video ! :)
Nice keyboard! Would have to replace the CTRL keys though because the screen print on those is misaligned and weird.
Since the keycaps are XDA you can just swap them around and keep at least some of the German layout. You know since XDA is a uniform profile.
And now try replacing the switches with Zeal Clickiez or Novelkeys Thick Clicks.
So Jan, These look like XDA profile caps, so you should be able to physically cut the traces and bodge wire swap the A and Z keys, and then just swap their caps. The caps should all be flat profile so it wont look weird.
Also, my friend has been waiting for his clear A1200 keycaps for over FIVE YEARS, delay after delay after delay.
I'm drooling for that modded A1200 right now.
Looks so much like the iMac G3 which I love for its design and also uses blue switches which are amazing 😄
Also like how you kept your sister's Amiga for so long, pretty neat.
Oehhhhhhh, interesting. Might replace mine as well. I did get the keycaps, but later found out I ordered the UK one.... darn. :) For the case and keycaps I really don't mind to replace those, back in the day my Amiga also wasn't yellow nor retro brighted.
Wow that new keyboard is gorgeous.
I’ve gotta get one of those keyboards. Very cool.
Lovely combo!!
Gotta lube those stabilizers on the keys that gave them, they sound super rattle-y. Good quality build it seems though!
The matching of the symbols is nice, but the perfectionist in me is bothered by the font not being Helvetica! Heh. Very nice PCB though. I’d love an Amiga with BOX blue/jade/pink.
Edit: By the way, speaking of transparent case and Apple inspired, have you seen the Matias Tactile Pro range? They use clones of the ALPS switches Apple used in the 80s, but with a design like the early-00s Pro Keyboard (inc the USB ports on each side). I notice you’ve just got grey keycaps with your Hackintosh behind you.
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Too bad you need the original keyboard backing plate, I still have to buy an original keyboard for my second A1200. That looks great.
Very nice keyboard - would love to have one., However sadly another item in the lengthy list of artisan Amiga unobtainium.
Even the Keyrah keyboard adaptors are unobtainable at the moment....
Regarding the keys - well, the layout is in software, so if you set a German keymap the keys are where you'd expect... the only difference will be the keycaps will then be wrong :) But your muscle memory will be right :)
You can always swap the Y and Z around at least :)
I tried both the German and the US layout in software now and I feel more comfortable with the US layout I think. It's not only the umlauts and the Y/Z thing, some of the punctuation and special characters are in different locations in the German layout and that's more confusing than the letters. :D
this reminds me. we haven't heard anything on the C64 replacement keycaps in a while. I hope that project didn't become a second dud.
Oh, there was an update a couple of days ago and it seems the project is in the last stage before production begins. Final problem was that some of the printing on the keycaps wasn’t perfectly aligned. Not long now, I would guess! :)
@@JanBeta ooooh nice
Oh my god.... This is awesomme. I have been on the website, but the maker does not take new orders. I would really like to have one my self, especially the soyus colour scheme are nice. Do you know if there is a way to order this in a kit form?
You would have to ask Sergiusz yourself. I think he plans on making a couple of small batches of these in the future, no idea if he's going to offer kits. Soldering the flat flex for example is a pretty delicate operation as far as I understand.
@@JanBeta Ahh... I have seen at the page, and there are no contact information. I believe it is to not get flooded by requests. If I can not get one at any point, then I will have to make due.with a grey case alone.
There’s an email address on the "Availability" page.
@@JanBeta Thanks. I did not see it before. Stupid me. 😔
Nice video. Good ol’ Blizzard Twelve-Sörty ;) I Never know why I watch videos instead of fixing some Amiga stuff in my own „workshop“.
That was a very interesting video my friend. nice to see you all the work done. You made an excellend working A1200. Machts gut und eine shonne sontag!!!
Hi, great video ❤ like it
Do you know any place where they sell Amiga 600 usb keyboard recreations?
Servus Jan, hab deinen Kanal grad gefunden. Finde echt super, was du so machst. Werde mir auch weiterhin Videos von dir anschauen, toller Kanal! :-)
Vielen Dank! Freut mich, dass dir mein Kram gefällt! :D
The problem with ceramic caps is when they go bad, they short closed. Electrolytic short open. Not good for the uber expensive Amiga custom ICs.
The "capacitor plague" is supposedly due to double corporate espionage, where an engineer incorrectly copied the new electrolyte formula from Rubicon. He brought it to China, where it was then re-stolen and taken to Taiwan. IIRC, Abit was the only manufacturer that admitted that their leaky caps came from Taiwan.
Rubicon's formula allowed for a more compact electrolytic cap, allowing for wider range SMD use.
That particular cause of capacitor problems came much later. From capacitors produced circa 1999-2007 or so. I had one of the A-Bit motherboards that failed. IIRC I bought it in maybe 1999, and it died in maybe 2002. (Pretty crummy the have hardware fail after only 3 years).
I'm still curious as to what caused the capacitor plague of the early 90s, but I don't believe it was the same as the really horrible 3 year lifetime of the caps made in the the early 2000s. IIUC the problem with the early 90s caps was about "early surface mount caps". There's a LOT of Macs from that era that have self destructed from corrosive electrolyte leaking on the PCB.
Is there any place where you just can buy a new Amiga 1200 keyboard?
Very nice looking keyboard.
Totally off topic: When Focus10 was active on the Amiga scene, what was his name? I'm trying to find his ProTracker songs.
I know some Amigas did come with some fairly nice linear mechanical switches but I'm not sure if the 1200 did.
And either way they weren't cherry or Alps so you wouldn't be able to get replacement switches or keycaps anyway.
The A2000 made in Braunschweig, Germany, was made with original Cherry switches (black switches). The keycaps were double-shot, exept for the Amiga keys (they are pad printed). The function keys are 1u only (not 1.25 u like on the other Amigas). I actually bought Din->Mini Din adapter and used it on my A4000 later. Definitly the best Amiga keyboard ever (and as you can open cherry switches and change the stem, you even can make it clicky and/or tactile if you want without soldering).
@@oleurgast730 Neat. Most of them used NMB Space Invaders. Probably pretty valuable keycaps on that thing.
It looks like all of the 500/1200/600s had cost-reduced keyboards, with the low end mechanical switches like the C64s, that rubber dome keyboards basically deleted from the market overnight.
A Frankenstein Amiga. Wrong Body, right heart!
At least it's not a pure PC layout, but still some misplaced keys. Unfortunately it's unlike any other mechanical keyboard, and doesn't any curvature to the keyboard rows. The curvature is there to follow the shape of human hands.
Wow beautiful!
There seems to be quite a lot of movement in that kb '@ 29:57 did you have clipped into its slots at the bottom? Or had you not fastened lid down at the front?
Some of the footage was shot without the metal backing plate so it looks wobbly. With the plate it is super solid. Sorry if that was confusing!
I really wish I had bought an A1200 when I had the chance... but it was just out of my measly salary price range. :)
I want to get more spare screws for my case. I need to take them to a hardware store and match them up.
15:08 aw, man...
That tape will leave a disgusting residue where you used it.
Should have used hot glue instead.
Apply it from the top, starting from the pins of the socket, then go around the edge of the board, over the solder joints of the socket, and wrap around the other side, that way it will be more firmly stuck on the adapter and you won't risk it coming loose.
Im late to the party here, but whats going on with the Y and Z keys? @1:55 Edit; Do'h, watching the entire thing phenomena strikes
Considering how often he has to deal with 'million screw' keyboard repairs I think it's time that Jan got an electric screwdriver. Also, it may be over exposure to modern gaming systems, but seeing a clear casing without some LED's behind it seems wrong to me.
You should not use electric screwdrivers on electronics. It's not safe for the equipment and not very professional for that reason.
Try to find a "US-International" keyboard mapping, on Windows you can create all the accented etc letters with it.
You know that Windows and AmigaOS are completely different operating systems, right?
@@AmartharDrakestone You don't know they both have configurable keyboard mappings?
@@Breakfast_of_Champions They do, but they're more limited than you think. You can't input all the needed German characters with a US mapping on an Amiga.
@@AmartharDrakestone On the Amiga you can map all the latin characters to any key via custom keymaps. Of course that includes umlauts and accents. I'm not informed about Unicode capabilities, but the last time I checked normal .ttf fonts were working and could be mapped to keypresses.
@@Breakfast_of_Champions Well, that's a custom keymap then. Not a US keymap.
Congrats on beating your days without an accident by one lol
Love to have one if these become available but the seller doesn't have a waiting list.
That is a nice looking keyboard. Did you take out the plate that stops the Key Board flex?
Some footage was shot without the plate, that’s why the keyboard wobbles in some closeups. It’s absolutely solid with the metal backing plate though (as seem towards the end of the video). :)
where do you get the Amiga layout keycaps???
Ceramic capactitors are perfect in the Amiga 1200 for anything except the audio circuit and composite video circuit. In the audio circuit, you would lower the audio quality a little bit, but I bet it isn't that noticable. Just those THT electrolytic capacitors look a bit ugly IMO and would warrant to be redone.
except that ceramic capacitors is voltagedependent. so you will have the wrong capacitance. a booting machine if not a proof of working machine. so no. ceramic capacitors is not a viable replacement for the caps.
@@ChuckyGang Please read the electronic schematic and tell me which capacitors have cricitical capitance. As I told you, this only is the case in the audio and composite video circuits.
@@danielmantione you mean you can put in random vaöues.. well it will work. But not right... Caramics is wrong. Period
@@ChuckyGang Random?! So, it's wrong but you cannot state where in the circuit it will cause a problem. Quod erat demonstrandum.
@@danielmantione yes as ceramic capacitors vary depending on voltage. they will not have the correct capacitance. meaning you are putting in "random values". as youtube do not allow putting in URLs I tell you to google ceramic capacitors and voltagedepenecy and you will see.. simply put: there are a reason a special type of capacitor is used. do not change. as told. a booting machine is no proof of working caps. you could put in diodes in place of the caps and the machine would still boot. is that ok then? no..
keep the same type. period.
Looks nice, no A600 options though, but I'm sure I couldn't afford one of those anyway... :P
Are these keyboards still available, the website doesn't seem available.
where do you get case ??? do they do one for the A600 ???
Is it possible to remap \| and #~ to the positions where the blanks are and can " and @ be swapped over in software? Having \| next to backspace is stupid. @ should be Shift + ' and be between ;: and #~. The layout would be correct then.
If you press CTRL + ALT + 4 do you get € or does that not work?
i would like to stick a raspberry pi in that clear case, is there a pc keyboard that fits the a1200 case?
thanks for the video :) they are always good, wish you did more.
No, there is no PC keyboard fitting. Also the keyrath v2, wich can adapt an a1200 keyboard and the jocksticks to usb is out of stock due to chip crisis at the moment.
If you have an Anycubic Chiron (FDM printer with 410 by 410 printbed) you might print an A600 case. Thats what I intend to do (have to repair the chiron first...). Black Carbon Fibre PETG and Powder coated spring steel to print on should look nice, but maybe transparent PETG might work also. For the A600 both an open source mechanical keyboard pcb and an open source keyboard controller are available. If you combine this with a Pi, a draw bridge with disk drive and a slot in cd drive, you would get a perfect emulator...
Hey Jan, The keyboard looks great with your new case! 😀👍 Have you considered to taken on the project to build a Re-Amiga A1200 Rev 1.5 board? This would be very interesting experience! It would compliment the new c64 you built last year. 😉
Although I bought a black case and a black Kipper 2K (looks similar to this) keyboard so you can't see inside, I just bought a white Re-Amiga A1200 board that I'm going to build, because I know it's there :-)
Please let's measure the thickness of the adapter board on the keyboard connector on the motherboard with a caliper
Bei mir funktioniert es nicht, woran kann das liegen ?
Habe es unter windows 10 und XP probiert...
Has anyone made Cherry keycaps? Also, where can you get Amiga key caps which don't cost like £90?
Man, that keyboard looks great, shame they used terrible nonstandard switches. I see people in the comments talking about replacing the switches, and that would be nice, (especially cause blues suck) but I'm 99% sure those are a certain Kailh switch only available as red linears and these blue clickies, with overall smaller dimensions than actual MX format switches, so the footprint isn't compatible most likely. AFAIK these are the same as on the IQUNIX M80, unfortunate.
They look like standard footprint cherry compatible to me. It’s not the low profile caps, those have a different stem design. The clear casing just makes it look flatter with the foreshortening when he takes the key off
@@kaitlyn__L They look pretty distinctly like the Kailh mid-height switches used in the M80, which are *almost* the same design, size, and footprint of Cherry MX. Hard to notice by themselves, but nonetheless shrunk down. The colors and materials are the same as the Kailhs, the legs are noticeably flat at the ends rather than tapered as in MX switches, the edge of the top housing extends all the way over the side of the bottom housing on one edge (light pipe?), the clips seem to be the same style as the mid-heights rather than MX style or what Kailh and Outemu use for a lot of their switches, and the pins/pads seem to be closer to the plastic legs as with on the M80 (no spacing between the closest hole and via/pad rather than the slight
@@nothlur yes, I suppose out of context of another board it can be hard to eyeball these proportions, so never mind what I said heh. I think Kailh should be clearer with their naming scheme.
@@kaitlyn__L Yeah, "mid profile mechanical switch" isn't too descriptive of them, especially when there's other actually MX compatible mid profile switches around lol. Also doesn't help that "mechanical keyboard" just means MX to most people these days, gets even more mixed up.
@@nothlur as an ALPS fan I used to get upset by that last thing, though now I’ve made peace with it for cool keycaps… and TBH I didn’t realise they’d made middle-sized MX stem compatible ones, was just thinking of the “Chocs”. So now there’s multiple kinds of “Kailh Blues” 🙄 ugh.
yeah I'm still waiting on my Keycaps too...
What was the price of such a keyboard, his website doesn't mention, I presume about 100-150euro?
The website for the keyboard is no longer up! Any other places to find it?
It's unfortunately no longer on sale. It was a hobbyist project to begin with and I think the demand for new Amiga keyboards was a bit overwhelming. A1200net are working on a similar project though that should be available eventually and there are some other options (that are only available in small batches mostly unfortunately), for example the Kipper2K replacement keyboard.
it has a blank key next to the enter because the U.S enter was ascii.... it was long straight like the shift key....
Yes. They solved that with either an elongated Enter key or a blank key in different Amiga keyboard revisions. I’ve seen both. Later versions seem to usually have the blank key.
The bent caps where kinda funny, i laughed a lil bit at first, but hey, since they worked... some of them are hard to desolder cause the gnd plane they are connected. Never had it desoldered without issues. i would personally reconsider and left them alone. All in all nobody sees that since the case is closed ;)
hey Jan, it's like the board flexes when you press the keys? am i wrong?
Some footage was shot without the metal backing plate, that’s why it looks wobbly in some closeups. It is super solid with the metal plate in place. Sorry if that comes across a bit confusing.
@@JanBeta aah. ok, i got it now :)
Whats the issue with using ceramic capacitors? Did you actually experience any problems?
I didn’t experience any problems with the capacitors myself, but I’ve heard from a number of peeps now that there can be timing issues, especially when using fast accelerator cards and such. The specs are definitely not the same and random oscillation may appear, even if most caps are just bypass or filter caps in the A1200. Won’t recommend using anything but electrolytic or polymer caps!
@@JanBeta Thanks for the heads up. I bought a cap kit with ceramics but luckily not used them yet for my ReAmiga 1200. I'll get the proper ones. Thanks. 👍
Super Video. Grüsse aus der Schweiz
Hello, where can i buy this keyboard?
Apparently, it seems like it's not on sale anymore at this time. Sorry. :/
@@JanBeta I am also interested, still not on sale?
If you were to have a white case, it would almost make the appearance look like the c64
Dove posso acquistarla ?
Trying to get hold of a mech keyboard for the Amiga is such a pain
Mmmmm....clicky keys. Yes, I want!
Once you go mechanical, you never go back.
Hi jan,
I need to contact the creator to the keyboard, i bought an a1200 online with the same keyboard and pcb(only different color), but my ribnon canle is damaged ao i cant use the keyboard. Can you provide me his email or so you know how i can contact him?
Really well its transparent plastic and its very brittle.
The new cases use a better mix than the original cases so this is hopefully going to stand the test of time a bit longer than the original ones.
@@JanBeta Good show with the cases Jan Beta but how much will you cost approximately ? I have two amiga 1200 and looks really good.
Wow, nice 😀😀😀
isn't the kayboard physical layout defined by ansi and iso ?
Usually yes. I think Commodore took some "liberties" with the Amiga keyboard layout though. But they are pretty close to standard PC layout.