Citizen Promaster Tough SCRATCH TEST! How Tough is Citizen's "Super Titanium" Coating?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 14 ม.ค. 2020
- Today we perform a scratch test on Citizen's "Super Titanium" Coating. The results may surprise you, as they did me!
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I'd suggest scratching the inside of the band next time. Still tests it the same, but hides the wear better when you wear it.
tremerefury Thanks for watching and commenting! I get what you’re saying but where’s the fun in that! 😁 Thanks for subscribing to the channel!
Also, the watch industry typically uses the Vickers scale to measure hardness. 316L steel is about 200 vickers. Grade 5 Ti is about 350. Many watch makers who use hardening techniques range from 500 t0 2000 vickers. Sapphire is about 2200 vickers. Diamond is about 10,000 vickers. So Citizens claim of 5x 316L is approximately 1000 vickers. Damasko watches with ice hardened steel is >700 vickers, Sinn watches with tegimented steel is >1200 vickers. Etc.
Well said. Mohs picks are basically logarithmic. Jumping from 4 to 5 is a much bigger jump than 2 - 3. Vickers his a better way of measuring these kinds of things.
You should have a “control” test. Do the same thing to a non-hardened watch with 316L steel.
As I mentioned, I hope to do more of these kinds of tests and to get better with them. Do you think the Mohs hardness test kit is a good thing to use here? Also, the problem I will face is getting watches to perform these kinds of test on. At this point with the channel we don’t have the resources to buy watches and scratch them 😆.
Hello again! It’s been a while, I just wanted to let you know I did a comparison between the coated and non coated stainless steel. Not sure if you’ve seen the video yet.
Reviews like this are great because they are reality and dismiss imagination and false sales pitches.
ChadatWork Thanks for watching and for the kind words. Glad the video was helpful!
You are brave doing that! I just got this and reviewed it on my channel and it is now probably my favourite watch. So comfortable and wearable.
Time and Talk Thanks for watching, commenting, and subscribing! I love this watch too! Thankfully I have plenty of extra links! I’ll check out your channel!
I just threw mine on a Bond nato and only use the bracelet for formal occasions. Cool video though I dunno why the main thing people worry about is scratches. Everything will eventually scratch, even that sapphire crystal. I care about shock resistant, dust, mud, chemical resistant, rust resistant, water resistant to atleast 100m. This watch is all that.
Thanks for watching! I think you're right, for the most part scratches on a real tool watch are a minor problem and there are other important factors to consider as you mentioned!
I was also very surprised to see my $500 Citizen Royal Marines Commando Super Titanium (BJ9140 52E) getting scratches even easier than that. I sold it soon afterwards, because "Super Titanium" had nothing to do with Citizen's older, "Duratect" coating used on another watch I had, the Citizen 4X4 (BJ9074-55H). That was much tougher by experience.
Hi Konstantinos !!! I have plans buy royal marines commando watch ⌚ . Now is new version ,but I not buy this watch because i see comments about this watch lume at night , lume is not good . What is you opinions about this model citizen super titanium watch ⌚?? This watch is not worth for 300 euro ? Thank you 🙂👍....
@@libertyliberty4371 The watch is worth the €300, provided that you do not care much about the scratches it will inevitably get. The monocoque case is a rare feature so if you'd like to have it and you like the feel of titanium, you will have to compromise. Alternatively, you can go for the BJ7100-82E, it's the same design minus the titanium and the one-piece case.
I got the black promaster ,but it has two very tiny dents on one side of the watch that you could only notice in a certain position or angle of the watch in certain light conditions.
Is it enough reason to return the watch ?
You bought it new and it came with dents?
insteresting video. While watching, I did not understand why you scratched a link on the watch when you just could have scratched an extra link.
Thanks for watching!
Please in hrc / rockwell
Nr 4 witch steel is that? How many rockwell.
Please mor information
I wish I could tell you that information but I'm not sure. Sorry. Thanks for watching.
I'm very late to the party but I recently saw a watch online with a tungsten case........that'd be interesting to test......I'd suggest obtaining test pieces of metal like you had for the glass and copper. Also try bronze, sapphire glass, resin, carbon fibre and ceramic....be very interesting!
Nice thorough field test! Did you ever test regular 316L stainless steel? I'd be very curious to know how the two compare.
Thanks for watching! I do have video with regular 316L Stainless Steel - check it out here - th-cam.com/video/yF5-SscHd8s/w-d-xo.html
nice video can you made another with a citizen tough black?, they says have a carbon like a dimon coating superior hardest than this super titanium
Thanks for watching! The black version has the same "super titanium" coating as this watch.
i have been wearing a citizen titanium ti with duratect coating for 7 years now.only the clasp has minor scratches wihile the case and bracelet is holding on wear.maybe under normal wear the watch will hold up better
Dean Kamaruddin That’s great! Glad your Citizen is holding up well! Thanks for watching and commenting! I have another scratch test video comparing regular stainless steel with the super titanium coating if you’d like to check that out too! I hope you’ll subscribe if you’re not already! Once we reach 1000 subscribers we’ll be doing another watch giveaway! You won’t want to miss it!
Good review mate. Thanks
Thanks for watching!
I have the same Watch and i got scratches on the side of the watch by a little impact on concrete.. main thing about this watch is the tough word Citizen uses to get the sales.. there is another watch that I'd like to see a comparison ( Victorinox I N O X ve Citizen tough Promaster..) I think that's a battle that lots would love to see since Victorinox Say their INOX model it's indestructible.. This citizen movement e168 it's been accurate so far, I own this watch since December 2018 and I bought it brand new and I don't wear it every day but so far I'm pleased with the monocoque case, I think if they made this watch in titanium and with the date window a little larger and some more blue lume instead of the green one it would be great.. !! I still believe that citizen it's the real deal when it comes to quality for the money and in my opinion citizen is the best for quartz solar technology and the only way I can get over with the non so much scratching resistance it's the fact that the watch gains character and personality.. so I still think is citizen should stop the BS about titanium coating 5x harder crap and use titanium and make their lume as bright as Seiko lume keeping the citizen blue cobalt lume.. thanks for the video and I still think the watch is worth the price if you like it and if it's under the 300 US dollar and if you keep it until the fucker gives up.. only by then you will be satisfied and bored of the piece.. but it may be the case we die and the watch still keeps on going strong!! Cheers
Glad you are enjoying your Promaster Tough. I really like mine too. I agree, it is a great watch for reasonable price. Thanks for watching and commenting.
He did it lol how great
robert kilgore 😁
I wonder if the watch had to be refinished to get rid of a deep scratch there would be a colour difference when the coating came off...
Richard Shaw This is a good question! I’m not sure what would happen!
Found some stuff online which says Duratek gives around 1000-1200 vickers, and Duratek alpha gives around double that.
Sapphire is actually on your hardness list. It‘s just a more elegant name for aluminium oxide.
Didn't know that, thanks!
@@TheTownWatch number model watch? thanks
Really enjoyed that vid jc what you have to do is get an old seiko with a hardlex crystal and give that the same treatment so all us watch fans can see which is best , mineral or proprietary seiko glass .im sure lots of watch fans would be interested. Keep up the good work. Al from england
alan smith Thanks for the idea! I hope to be able to do it sometime in the future! Where should I get the regular mineral glass from do you think?
@@TheTownWatch almost any 2 to 5 dollar watch on ali express just make sure its not acrylic or such. All the best. Al
@@alansmith8837 Thanks for the advice, I'll definitely mark this idea down for a future video!
That would be really interesting a test, but there wouldn't be extra links to save the day...
Wonder if results would have been different on a all super titanium watch. Not a steel watch thats just coated with super titanium.
I would love to do that! The problem is money at this point. I can’t afford to just buy watches and start scratching them, you know what I mean? Thanks for watching and commenting! I hope you’ll subscribe to keep up with future videos!
Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if their claimed hardness specs are fudged some. Completely anecdotally, I have a NB1050-59A with duratec coating and it doesn't seem to resist scratches any better than any of my other stainless steel watches. One of the things that might make a difference is, even if the hardness is greater, it just has very mild/light/weak brushing compared to say my Hamilton so it doesn't hide scratches as well. Overall, it seems marketing heavy and hasn't performed as I had hoped.
You might be right. Thanks for watching. I do have another video where I test regular stainless steel versus the duratect. You might enjoy that too.
Skip all his blathering and go to 14:35 to see the test. Yeah, he likes to talk ...
... and by the way, Duratect MRK is NOT a coating. It's a surface treatment which hardens the case of the base alloy. So he got that wrong too.
Sapphire is aluminium oxide, so, it is on the list.
Murcianicon Really? I didn’t know that.
Great video. I was wondering when you began why wouldn't you just scratch removed links. It would kill me to scratch my watch like this.
S Hood More dramatic for the video I guess to scratch a link on my watch! Thanks for watching!
I wonder how Casios oceanus s100 with titanium-carbide would handle the scratchtest.
Henrik Pettersson That would be a good comparison! Got one you want to send in to the channel? 😁 Thanks for watching and commenting! I hope you’ll subscribe if you’re not already! Once we reach 1000 subscribers we’ll be doing another watch giveaway! You won’t want to miss it!
J. City Reviews Really nice test you made between Uncoated stainless steel and the coated steel in the other video. Good to se that the coated one actually resists scratches a bit better. I did look up TiC and it seems to be really, really hard, like 9+on the hardness scale. Doesnt mean that it works like that when its applied as a coating of course. Ive actually been thinking about bying the Casio s100 so if I do I could send you a link of the bracelett. But its a pretty pricy watch so I probably go for a G-shock or a steinless Seiko instead haha. Keep up the good work with the videos. :)
Henrik Pettersson Hope you enjoy the watch! Thanks for watching!
I just bought a Citizen with Super-Titanium; the Paradigm 38mm silver eco-drive. Nice watch, but it has mineral crystal which surprised me. To pair super titanium with mineral crystal is both contradictory and monumentally stupid although a good way to make sure I need to buy a new watch sooner. I think it's a cynical move on Citizens part especially since a paradigm with sapphire is only about $20 more.
Thanks for watching! You should check out the Promaster Toigh!
I have a casio amongst my small collection and over a number of years of constant wearing it hasn't got any scratches at all.
Sorry, I was referring to the glass which isn't sapphire.
Good vid. Never believe the hype. I own two (2)Citizen watches, I like them.
Thank you for watching!
cool vid. I'd love to see a comparison to to other titanium, stainless steel, and even resin (G-Shock) watches.
Thanks for watching!
Too bad this watch is like $500 if you can still find it... looks really nice though! 🤩 Have 2 Citizen eco-drives myself and love them! 😍
Why aren't u scratching the back side of the case or bracelet?
So what do you think? Is it a gimmick? Just a fake selling point? I don't know my cousin has a promaster tuff and he too was surprised at the fact that it seemed to scratch easier than he felt citizen led on too. Stay safe loved the experiment, thank you , thumbs.up.😊
i called citizen to find out what the hardness was of the buckle on the dive strap that came with my new $1100 supertitanium duratect satellite solar diver watch. i wanted to know because when removing the buckle from the strap i popped out the springbar on it, and when putting it back the springbar slid on the buckle leaving a faint mark which surprised me. i hoped my watchcase was not that scratchable by a steel springbar. the citizen tech spent some time on the phone with me going through materials until he found the info, which was that the buckle was not treated with the same level of surface hardening as the watchcase. i didn't tell him that i'd lightly scratched it, so as not to bias any answer. so what he told me was from citizen tech background. i don't know if there's any difference in application of bracelet hardening vs watchcase...as there was in my watch between watchcase and buckle alone, but i suppose it's possible and thus the reason yours scratched?
Thanks for watching and for the detailed comment!
what about the watch itself?
Should be the same as the bracelet since it had the same coating.
Nice link
Good work! Can you please scratch more watches for entertainment?
😅, Yes, send some in!!
Josh, I was puzzled by this. I think what's going on here is that the watch is made from hardened stainless steel. Citizen promote hardened titanium / Duratect but this watch does not appear to have them. I wouldn't accuse them of being deliberately misleading, but their copywriting and promo are a bit unclear. Incidentally, I have this watch and have been very happy with it. I also just recently picked up a high-end titanium model but no way am I taking any steel picks to that bad boy. ⌚
Thanks for watching! I do admit what Citizen says is a little confusing! Hope you also check out my scratch test comparison between this watch and regular stainless steel! I make these type of videos so you don't have to! 😅
@@TheTownWatch Thank you. I'll check that out as well.
Not all super titanium has Duratect coating. Not all titanium is super titanium. A super titanium Duratect coating watch costs more than one that is super titanium without the Duratect coating. This is what I know.
Oh, man... That hurts... Heart is bleeding...
NeVeReVeR It was hard to do! Good thing I have extra links!
Yup, this one.
😁 Thank you!
I would never do this bro😳
Giorgi Maisuradze 😆 Don’t worry, I’ve got plenty of extra links!
Il a Rado Diastar in wolfram Carbine hit a Citizen.... R.I.P SuperTitanium !
Why didn't you scratch the spare link ??Then you wouldn't need to remove the one messed up on the watch.I'd consider that if you do this test again on another watch.
I could have done that but where's the fun in it! 😅 Thanks for watching!
Fair enough.For the folks that didn't guess you had spares,I must admit there was dramatic tension in scratching the watch.Thanks for the interesting content.I just received the Ray Mears solid titanium today,and when I shortened it I scratched the back of a spare link.Ive just checked and scratched it again with a pair of regular scissors!I'm a bit disappointed.Maybe the case is better than the strap but I'm not intentionally marking that.The strap does say' titanium China', so maybe it's not treated like the case hopefully is.
The case of NB1050-59L is treated by Duratect Platinum.
The bracelet is made of stainless steel without a surface treatment.
The bracelet dosent have duratect on it...
Why are you mentioning a watch that is not in my video? I don't understand. If you're saying the bracelet on the watch in my video is not coated with duratect you'll have to provide a source for this information and claim.
THATS WHAT I THOUGHT///
You should have tested on the inside of the bracelet.
Where's the fun in that? :) Don't worry I've got plenty of extra links! Thanks for watching and commenting. I hope you'll subscribe, we'll be doing another watch giveaway at 1000 subscribers! You're not going to want to miss it!
There is some confusion about Citizen’s marketing material. To my understanding there are three marketing brands. “Super Titanium”, “Duratect”, and “Duratect Alpha”. Alpha is their premium hardening method used only on JDM models, that cost >$1000 with hardness over 2000 vickers. “Super Titanium” is proprietary hardened Ti. Duratect is some type of Nitrogen tempering method applied to steel or Ti. The product description here suggests the STEEL case is coated in hardened Ti. Confusing.
I really appreciate you watching and commenting and giving all this feedback and information. I hope to do more of these kinds of tests in the future so this information helps me a lot. Maybe I’ll reach out to you if I need some more information on different steel types etc. sometimes I find it hard to find specific information like that. Do you have any resources for finding this kind of steel info?
@@TheTownWatch
Case hardening in watches is an interesting subject to me. I have some links and info on hardened alloys and coatings used in watches - I can email them if you're interested. My main objection to your video is that you are disappointed in the results when I don't think you should be. Hardened alloys are 'Scratch Resistant', not 'Scratch Proof'. The only thing proven in the test, is that the Citizen Promaster Tough is "Not Scratch Proof". I still believe the Citizen Promaster Tough is an awesome all-around watch for under $250 (Hardened Steel, Sapphire, Lume, 200M WR). Damasko and Sinn is the next equivalent comparable watch (3 hand watch with Hardened Case) and they costs 4-5 times more. Also, the Mohs scale is an old fashioned qualitative / subjective measure of hardness. Vickers and Rockwell are current quantitative measures of hardness used in metallurgy. The Mohs results don't really tell you anything useful about the watch compared to a standard. but I'm no expert. Very cool video idea though.
Thanks for the feedback! Do you think the Mohs hardness scratch test kit is a good tool to use in testing or is there something better. I assume there is a way to compare the Mohs hardness list with the Vickers list. I would love if you could pass on any information you have about steel in watches, etc. You can email me at - coinquest333 at gmail . com
Thanks!
Hi JMG your knowledge it's really impressive and far beyond the average, thanks for sharing! I get your point when you distinguish between scratch resistance and scratch proof. But this test, I think is really an appropriate one related to Citizen's advertising...I have a catalogue where they state their super titanium is 5 times more resistant than the normal titanium to abrasion. I do love Citizen, and I use mine for diving, but if the company is promoting a product for the scratch performance...well I am really curious about it, and since these result I think they should modify something in their ads...I mean if I had to sell a cake I would promote its taste not its nutritional values, unless those are worthy. Hope you got my point, really good video.
New subscriber. Good video. Definitely cringe worthy. 😂 But worth their cringe. Never knew this about the bracelet. Love me a Citizen but man, appears to be overzealous advertising.
Avg. Joe Watch Reviews Thank you for the kind words! I just subscribed to you! I look forward to perusing your videos! I hope to do more “scratch test” type videos and get a little better at them production wise. Thanks again for stopping in I appreciate the support!
J. City Reviews you did an awesome job brother. Don’t sell yourself short. I watched to the end and that’s a rarity for me. You kept me interested, so great job. Thanks for the sub man. Appreciate that. 🤙
Avg. Joe Watch Reviews Glad to hear that! Thanks!
İf it had perpertual calendar İ would buy it at once
i think only the case is super titanium. the bracelet is base titanium.
you need to test the case
Daniel H Thanks for watching. According to Citizen’s website, this watch is made of stainless steel but has a “super titanium” coating on both the case and bracelet. I won’t be scratching the case purposely! 😁
Their marketing is confusing. The problem with titanium watches (i.e. not this one) is that while it's lighter than steel it scratches much easier. As I understood it, the "super titanium" coating is supposed to mitigate this so you get the light weight without the fragile surface. But with this watch, which is steel, which is MORE scratch resistant than titanium, it sounds like they have "improved" the scratch resistance with titanium... which makes no bloody sense as titanium is less resistant than steel. I sense marketing BS in play here.
It is confusing to say the least! Thanks for tuning in!
Super titanium can you polishing your scratch ???
I don't know.
Video starts at 14:30
Hahaha! Thanks for watching!
Phew thanks man
It is a stainless steel watch.
Yes.
In a nutshell, Duratect and Super Titanium are just gimmicks? I guess so as the test proves
Thanks for watching!
I read somewhere that only the case has the coating… so maybe the test you didn’t want truly reflective, what say?
Bruh. The vid actualy starts only on 13:00. Wtf
Den koch I felt like all the information that I gave building up to the actual scratching of the watch was necessary information. Not everyone watching the video knows what “super titanium” is or how a “scratch test kit” works so the explanation was needed. For those who know all of these things they can simply skip ahead to the scratching part.
I have just posted a review of this watch and I have quoted this review of yours and left a link your video in the description. You can check it out here: th-cam.com/video/LxHBWwZqkjo/w-d-xo.html
Cool! I appreciate that! I will check it out!
Seiko diashield steel. Nice try man.
Are you saying I should test Seiko Diashield?
@@TheTownWatch yes, let's see how much hard is that?
Till now swiss watches are just conserving their heritage and provide no benefit like eco drive other than expensive service every 5 years,love citizen eco drive
Abhishek Goyal I love Citizen’s Eco Drive and I love a good Swiss automatic! It’s OK to love both! 😁
Except those Swiss watches if taken care of will still be ticking 100 years from now. The eco drive will not. Not that you're gonna care if your watch is still working 100 years from now. But to slight that type of marvel just because it takes more upkeep is asinine.
Why didn't you scratch it from the inside?!!!
😅
@@TheTownWatch Great video though
5x not 100% scratch proof
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Amen, God bless you! Hope you watch more of my content!
Literally hard to watch.
What do you mean?
@@TheTownWatch word play
@@ANiCKiN I see! 😅
Thank you. I would just get a stainless steel watch that would look better.
Gautam Badveti Thanks for watching! Make sure you enter my giveaway going on now! th-cam.com/video/6wC0vHc54Hg/w-d-xo.html
Stainless steel looks in compare to titan terrible 😉
The watch is stainless steel with a titanium DLC coating.
Il a Rado Diastar in wolfram Carbine hit a Citizen.... R.I.P SuperTitanium !
Il a Rado Diastar in wolfram Carbine hit a Citizen.... R.I.P SuperTitanium !