this reminds me of a typo I found recently in a copy of a book where the girl is recruiting her husband's best friend in order to go rescue him from danger. The friend said "Gladly would I or any of my comrades lay down our lives for our husband." It was supposed to be "your husband" but the Y was forgotten. And this was right after he told her that there were 19 of them altogether, implying that her husband had 19 husbands she didn't know about. I love it when typos change the entire story with just one word.
Putting aside the subtext... If you read real life letters written to friends from this time and earlier you will often find similar expressing of feelings(although often without the errotic subtext).
Honestly, that was sort of the point of this video - I just took things a little too far. But when these same people describe their family members (siblings, cousins, etc.) with a similar degree of passion, it makes you realize this was just a more common way of talking back then - at least for extremely poetic people.
@@genericallyentertaining I get that, but the message I get from the video is not so much 'male friends were more open with their feelings back then vs now' but rather 'male characters in the XIX century were explicitly homosexual, vs now where they're only closeted homosexuals'.
A couple of months ago I was wearing an AC/DC shirt to the gym and saw another dude wearing one too. When I said “nice shirt” to him, he looked at me like I was crazy lol. It made me feel weird about trying to give a compliment
@@MrGrimlockeim harrowed from when at end of high school i tried to tell my friends id miss them, they were important to me, i love you guys, and it was met with intense awkwardness and just *looks*. I try to buff myself up and think about when a guy working at a castle liked my dragon shirt or when a university friend found my 'werewolves for change' shirt funny
Just don't be Herman Melville and send increasingly erotically laden letters of praise to your uncomfortable happily married friend Nathaniel Hawthorne until he finally ghosts you. 😂
This conversation feels like it happened LITERALLY in Dickens' Our Mutual Friend when Eugene and Mortimer talk about wanting to live in a lighthouse together because "to hell" with the fiancee
Once I tried being flamboyantly open about how emotional my friends made me in high school, those guys were great and I wanted them to know it. It immediately got intensely awkward and nope never again, the options for guys seem to be 1) casual small talk or 2) interests small talk, no affection whatsoever. Its like Mikey with the construction crew having lunch on Kimmy Schmidt, its so depressing
That's so sad. I wish it was accepted to express positive feelings for your friends and family. I am always very happy when I see boys and men treat each other with kindness and affection. Some acquaintances of mine have a young son who is two and a half and he is very compassionate and empathic. I hope he keeps these traits when he grows up.
The truck is to compliment and jokingly insult them at them same time. Tell him you love him as if he was your own brother, but to not take that as a go ahead to actually try to become your brother in law.
I dont share this sentiment, just today a flower of the purest white beauty shined aloft in my hair. A gift from my friend and by my friends hand it was put there. Those who fear the pleatonic love of a friend miss only the greatests of strenghth in this world, because it truly was the friends we've made along the way that make this life worth living.
Not really. This is a bit exaggerated but high praises for one another and words like "dear" or "close to my heart" were also used but explained as due to a sibling-like relationship.
"I am not gay. I am simply extremely vain and love admiration of any kind. These feelings of reciprication and a welcoming kiss merely appear homosexual to the average simple minded onlooker". - Sir Frederick Lewis.
No forgetting a tender kiss on the brow from Aragorn to Boromir and a tight hand clasp, along with about two hours of cumulative gazing into each other's eyes. No homo, tho
Too bad men can't be expressive or love each other without being called gay..... Can't imagine what is fueling the high rates of depression in men today…
What's funny to me is that the pronoun patrol are the ones who call gay/queer any male form of affection. For people who get insanely mad if you "mislabel" anything they are quite confortable using gay/queer willy nilly.
Honestly, I think they can. Lord of the Rings is a great example of it. Also, tons of movies where friendship is super important. To be honest, I think it works best when they are your best friend but your love interest is either as close or closer than your best friend. That way, it doesn't seem romantic but still emotionally significant. Like as if the are part of family. In casual conversations, friends and relatives in my area(Pakistani and when speaking Urdu) use the word "جان/jan"or "جانی/jani" sometimes to refer to each other which literally means "soul", so it figuratively means "my soul/my life" indicating dearness or closeness. Despite the fact that it's also used for a beloved or a spouse(informally as جانو/janoo). I think Turkish people also use the term "can"(it sounds the same as جان) in a similar way.
@@Dollibet Seriously, people always seem to joke about how "conservative" historians are, but pretty much all I see now are the most progressive interpretations of events. Sometimes, it almost feels like a shipping contest more than anything.
They literally were. Very few people were gay back then and you're just putting your modern reading glasses on it because you want your sexuality validated by people from the past.
I am... Quite eloquent in how I speak... And I've said things less romantic and gay to my actual boyfriend that those passionate oils of the bleeding soul
This skit in partiulcular was inspired by The Last Man by Mary Shelly, which I'm reading now. But that's far from the only book I've read where characters talk to each other this way.
@@genericallyentertainingIts really interesting that you were inspired by The Last Man, because the skit made me immediately think of Frankstein/The modern Prometeus while watching it
I think Mary Shelley drew inspiration from her friend group, which had some men that may have not been straight. Or she was just really into subtle homoerotic friendships.
Then you get the weird ones that are 200+ years old but read almost entire modern. I guess they didnt have tv tropes to warn them about stuff like purple prose yet
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The subtext of the guy coming out of the closet to say "no homo" is unmatched in modern literature, Disney take note.
this reminds me of a typo I found recently in a copy of a book where the girl is recruiting her husband's best friend in order to go rescue him from danger. The friend said "Gladly would I or any of my comrades lay down our lives for our husband." It was supposed to be "your husband" but the Y was forgotten.
And this was right after he told her that there were 19 of them altogether, implying that her husband had 19 husbands she didn't know about.
I love it when typos change the entire story with just one word.
might this book perhaps be the scarlet pimpernel? 👀
@@rainofstars00 yes, yes it is
Putting aside the subtext... If you read real life letters written to friends from this time and earlier you will often find similar expressing of feelings(although often without the errotic subtext).
Honestly, that was sort of the point of this video - I just took things a little too far. But when these same people describe their family members (siblings, cousins, etc.) with a similar degree of passion, it makes you realize this was just a more common way of talking back then - at least for extremely poetic people.
I think the video is more about how it feels than how it really is
@@genericallyentertaining I get that, but the message I get from the video is not so much 'male friends were more open with their feelings back then vs now' but rather 'male characters in the XIX century were explicitly homosexual, vs now where they're only closeted homosexuals'.
@@SidheKnight That made it funny Melville's Letters to Hawthorne.
But for real my dudes be willing to compliment other guys now and then, we all need more compliments. 🙂
And women should compliment guys more too. I try to compliment nice fits, hair/etc when I see it and it seems to make a difference.
A couple of months ago I was wearing an AC/DC shirt to the gym and saw another dude wearing one too. When I said “nice shirt” to him, he looked at me like I was crazy lol. It made me feel weird about trying to give a compliment
@@MrGrimlockeim harrowed from when at end of high school i tried to tell my friends id miss them, they were important to me, i love you guys, and it was met with intense awkwardness and just *looks*.
I try to buff myself up and think about when a guy working at a castle liked my dragon shirt or when a university friend found my 'werewolves for change' shirt funny
"to hades with my wife"😭😭😭
Patient zero of the boomer humor disease.
😂😂😂😂🎉
"...by the way, why did you come out of the closet?"
"... no homo?"
Just don't be Herman Melville and send increasingly erotically laden letters of praise to your uncomfortable happily married friend Nathaniel Hawthorne until he finally ghosts you. 😂
I’m reading Jane Eyre right now and I LOVE the dialogue, it’s poetic but it’s so REAL
Reading Frankenstein, I feel like Victor cares more about his bestie Henry than his wife/sister.
Could totally see Mary Shelley being into yaoi
HIIIIIIIII
@@lukedaboe3278 Hey it's my bestie/husband/brother!
@@tarniabook3076 You're making it weird by adding brother
@@lukedaboe3278 Tell that to Mary Shelley.
If you're not acting gay with the homies are you really homies?
This conversation feels like it happened LITERALLY in Dickens' Our Mutual Friend when Eugene and Mortimer talk about wanting to live in a lighthouse together because "to hell" with the fiancee
Amazing novel!
bros before hoes
I will now only express my feelings and give compliments in 19th century english.
Once I tried being flamboyantly open about how emotional my friends made me in high school, those guys were great and I wanted them to know it.
It immediately got intensely awkward and nope never again, the options for guys seem to be 1) casual small talk or 2) interests small talk, no affection whatsoever.
Its like Mikey with the construction crew having lunch on Kimmy Schmidt, its so depressing
That's so sad. I wish it was accepted to express positive feelings for your friends and family. I am always very happy when I see boys and men treat each other with kindness and affection.
Some acquaintances of mine have a young son who is two and a half and he is very compassionate and empathic. I hope he keeps these traits when he grows up.
The truck is to compliment and jokingly insult them at them same time.
Tell him you love him as if he was your own brother, but to not take that as a go ahead to actually try to become your brother in law.
at least with mikey they arent his actual friends because they can never talk due to the really loud construction
That ending is the most relatable part.
I dont share this sentiment, just today a flower of the purest white beauty shined aloft in my hair. A gift from my friend and by my friends hand it was put there. Those who fear the pleatonic love of a friend miss only the greatests of strenghth in this world, because it truly was the friends we've made along the way that make this life worth living.
Prince Andrei and Pierre in War and Peace
Huh...so *that's* how best friends act around each other.
Okay, a lot of things make sense now.
Not really. This is a bit exaggerated but high praises for one another and words like "dear" or "close to my heart" were also used but explained as due to a sibling-like relationship.
These both have me shaking the romance is too strong I may faint.
This is like all of Dracula
nice video
no homo tho
"I am not gay. I am simply extremely vain and love admiration of any kind. These feelings of reciprication and a welcoming kiss merely appear homosexual to the average simple minded onlooker". - Sir Frederick Lewis.
Now class, was this man gay, or was he not gay? That is the question.
Guess I’ve gotta go read The Picture of Dorian Gray… AGAIN
So true!!!
The light switch intruding into the doorframe is bothering me 😂
Beautiful dialogue
No forgetting a tender kiss on the brow from Aragorn to Boromir and a tight hand clasp, along with about two hours of cumulative gazing into each other's eyes. No homo, tho
Sam kisses Frodo like 5 times
@@ineedsleep09On the cheek and the head. Please make it clear so people don't get the wrong idea.
Too bad men can't be expressive or love each other without being called gay.....
Can't imagine what is fueling the high rates of depression in men today…
What's funny to me is that the pronoun patrol are the ones who call gay/queer any male form of affection. For people who get insanely mad if you "mislabel" anything they are quite confortable using gay/queer willy nilly.
Fr fr, i tried being affectionate at the end of high school because i was going to miss people and feeling all sappy, but oh boy did that not go well
This video is on point. 👏👏
Close friendships can't exist in media anymore because people will read romance in them.
Honestly, I think they can.
Lord of the Rings is a great example of it.
Also, tons of movies where friendship is super important.
To be honest, I think it works best when they are your best friend but your love interest is either as close or closer than your best friend.
That way, it doesn't seem romantic but still emotionally significant. Like as if the are part of family.
In casual conversations, friends and relatives in my area(Pakistani and when speaking Urdu) use the word "جان/jan"or "جانی/jani" sometimes to refer to each other which literally means "soul", so it figuratively means "my soul/my life" indicating dearness or closeness. Despite the fact that it's also used for a beloved or a spouse(informally as جانو/janoo).
I think Turkish people also use the term "can"(it sounds the same as جان) in a similar way.
Resl
Simply incredible
And historians said they were "very good friends."
@@Dollibet Seriously, people always seem to joke about how "conservative" historians are, but pretty much all I see now are the most progressive interpretations of events. Sometimes, it almost feels like a shipping contest more than anything.
They were roommates
They literally were. Very few people were gay back then and you're just putting your modern reading glasses on it because you want your sexuality validated by people from the past.
@@BazukinBelyugovich "Sometimes, it almost feels like a shipping contest more than anything." Pffft-- XD
@@jeebusthegreat8819ah yes the number of gay people certainly flucates.
Yeah i saw captain and commander
I have to go listen to "No Homo" by The Lonely Island now
I am... Quite eloquent in how I speak... And I've said things less romantic and gay to my actual boyfriend that those passionate oils of the bleeding soul
The closet was opened in the 1st scene. Could it be that the other guy came out of it before the other guy came in the room?
"Two bros, chilling in a hotub five feet apart, cuz they're not gay"
Japan literally has that.
It's considered very sociable to bathe together naked on a hot spring there apparently.
I like to do both with my best friend
It’s the same with women best friends in older literature too, though they’re not written about as often 😂
Bram Stoker's Dracula with Mina and Lucy's friendship.
This is peak fiction
What 19th century novels are you reading 😂
Also, as someone else mentioned, killer subtext with the closet 👌
This skit in partiulcular was inspired by The Last Man by Mary Shelly, which I'm reading now. But that's far from the only book I've read where characters talk to each other this way.
@@genericallyentertaining Interesting, thanks!
@@genericallyentertainingIts really interesting that you were inspired by The Last Man, because the skit made me immediately think of Frankstein/The modern Prometeus while watching it
I think Mary Shelley drew inspiration from her friend group, which had some men that may have not been straight. Or she was just really into subtle homoerotic friendships.
How it feels when an Arabic friend calls you habibi.
First of all, that isn't anything close to gay.
Second, I commend them for that.
Being gay with your best friend on new level
Love it!
Hilarious 😂.... Nice one 🤠
comedy gold
I see you with that Hades reference xD
Brilliant 😂😂😂
Ngl the non obscenely poetical tone of the modern conversations is a relief. God beyond those ancient literary texts are tortuous to read
Then you get the weird ones that are 200+ years old but read almost entire modern.
I guess they didnt have tv tropes to warn them about stuff like purple prose yet
They were just roommates.
Historians after reading the first conversation: “And they were roommates.”
The second one is gay and the first one isint
Idk seems a little gay