At first, I was a little apprehensive at motion. I tried it in the past and wasn't too happy with it, but this changed my mind. I can't live without it anymore
I am hoping to get a response from you. I am a big fan. I decided to buy the qubic system but couldn't decide on 210 or 220. Is the 400 fast enough, or must I go with 800? I am strictly on gt3 with iRacing. No dirt. There is a significant price difference between the two platforms. I know you use 210. I guess if you are satisfied, that should be too 😂 what do you think?
Hey man. I've tried both. I tried the 220 at the Sim Expo, and I own the 210. The 210 is great. They also just added wheel spin effectsto it and it has made it so much better.
My SFX-100 system does a very similar job and cost around 2000 euros to buy all the parts, plus I had the satisfaction of building it myself, no way I could justify 5000 euro even if it is comparatively cheap compared to other motion solutions
Not really similar, sure both do movement. SFX-100 is slower at 245mm/s velocity compared to these at 400mm/s These Quibic's, like D-box also do haptic / vibrations, not just movement. That in itself is a big difference, I don't see SFX-100 providing this. It's a massive difference, I had D-Box and that in itself was amazing. SFX-100 has 100mm of travel these one (they have other model with more travel) go 60mm So (SFX has more travel, but slower rate) I wouldn't really call these the same league. One is for the hobbyist, and one happy to build, the other is a professional pre-built system, made by a major motion company with lots of support and tuning in their software.
@@striffdo you use 100% of force available? Like the whole 400mm/s? I’ve heard other guy reviewing this set said that it was too much and he’s using like 25% of it (so I assume it 25% of 400mm/s?)
@@Triple_M_Motorsport I've got Qubic on order but the system I have on order can do 800 mm/s. I don't think force is related to this, more response. Another TH-cam reviewer tested The system I'm getting and did 800 mm/s (need 240 / 230 volt, like in Australia or a step up converter) and also did 400 mm/s .
@@striff so I wonder what else could change when you lower the force. Mass is constant. Displacement is constant as well (you want the same range of movement but with less force). Time is constant (you want the movement in the same timelapse as before). So… I guess the speed should be lower?
I'm running it on 220, but 110v is good too. The system was designed to work anywhere with no issues what so ever. This system need alot less power than the bigger QS-220 version.
Hi. Thanks for the video.1) looking at the actuators, they don’t seem to move any differently than an sfx platform. Could you elaborate how superior they might be? 2) can you describe what sort of vibration effects did you experience? 3) did you feel those effects equally in all games you tried? Thank you.
Hey, for 1. Most motion hardware move in the same manner and have similar hardware components design. What separates them is the speed and acceleration of the platform and the software and how it translates the telemetry into motion and vibrations 2 and 3. Motion is very dependent on the sim's telemetry output and some sims output more effects than others. Some motion companies get around it with post processing and using different inputs, some do it better than others. Once I took the time to setup my motion profiles for the sims, they all felt very similar in terms of effects but again it really depends on the telemetry for the amount of effects outputted.
I am looking forward to get the Qubic Systems QS-210 actuators. But first I want to find out if they worth the extra money over the RS MEGA + Which are a lot cheaper.¿Anyone has tried both?
The RS MEGA+ does a great job at motion, But overall I enjoy the feel of the Qubic much more and has a lot more customization options along with post processing features. Qubic feels much more natural with how it provides feedback to the driver. The Qubic system is made by Motion Systems who are one of the best commercial motion platform builders in the world
Thanks for the great video. Is wheel slip effect available in all sims? In other words, can I feel, the actuators vibrating when approaching the lateral tyre grip limit? And is the effect consistent from one sim to the other? Thanks
For the most part yes, you can feel all the effects consistently. You do have to dial in the settings for each sim, but I didnt have to do many changes. I haven't tried it with WRC yet because they didn't have telemetry output at launch.
@@TheSimpit thanks for the reply. Sorry to be bugging you, but can you feel the actuators when approaching the tyre lateral grip limit in all games? With SFX100, I only feel it in RF2, and only a little in ams2. Iracing as well. But not at all in ac, acc. I'd consider getting a qubic if that was the case in all games but I was told that the issue is with the game telemetry not necessarily the motion software.
I can't speak for this motion systems software, I have never used it. But I have used motion in GT7 and Project cars on PS4/5 with Sim racing studios, so it definitely can be done.🤔
@@TheSimpit Yes, because they've just changed their website accordingly right after my email. Unfortunately they do not support simracing on consoles. - Anyway, at least your review is a great one.
You may still need a PC to run the motion, but it communicates to the console game over the network. My motion system (SR2) can also be set up that way.
Not true at all. This system is $6,600 at a US retailer. You have to remember the conversion factor of Euros to Dollars and also the cost of shipping, etc.
Absolute nonsense. It takes your brain 4ms to register pain. It is quicker than the reaction time of track athletes reacting to the starter gun which is over 12ms. You have no concept of how fast 8ms is.
At 37:05 You have it set way too high my friend. Try calming out down some. I have a Buttkicker gamer 2 under my seat on my DOF Reality P3. Tim Rengers on iracing. See you there!
Hi Tim, yeah it is, lol. I'm still fine tuning it to my liking. My thinking was to show the range of motion on it. It was still enjoyable l. I plan on another video once I have everything fully dialed in.
That’d be great :) not a lot of people have tried different motion rigs so it’s hard to find comparisons online to the about 5-8 different offerings :)
I had d-box, their pricing to upgrade was ridiculous (wanted to go from 1.5 inch to 3 inch for 3-dof) System itself is great and quiet, their support is lacking unless you hint you are looking to buy. I looked into Sigma, support was great, system specs look good, but just not enough game support. I looked into Qubic, support is outstanding, I'm in Australia, they did a remote session with me and went though what they do, the software etc. (Very similar to D-box) list of games supported is huge, their actuators have great specs. I ended up buying their system a few days ago, but through Res-Tech, as they make a modular platform to support / match their rigs which I have!
I just found this channel looking for motion Sims. Especially when it comes to flight. When flying Helo's. You fly it from the seat of your pants and the sounds of your inner ear of balance and especially when it comes to the Iroquois Huey from Vietnam. Like a ship The kill that runs from the stern to the bow of the ship is the backbone which is that dead center of a ship on the high seas. No matter if it's a Cadillac of All ships of millions of dollars or even a bass boat for under 5K USD? You going to feel any issues and you'll feel it before you see it. I'm wondering if there is a DCS or Microsoft 2020 ability for this product? Really for a helicopter pilots. You really have to fly it by the seat of your pants as you're looking around for man pads of the enemy or supporting JTAC or pfcs on the ground. That would be a great thing for me to promote to others and using this evaluation of yours to promote it. Even hopefully maybe a cheaper version were those who have not may have the ability to u 36:47 pgrade their rigs.
Hey man. yes, this motion works great in flight sims. I haven't tried it with DCS yet, but I have in MSFS. This motion is compatible with most sims on the market. You can check out their website for a full list.
@@TheSimpit That would be real awesome! I hope I get the feedback. Being a usn/Ret honorable DD214. I'm just an old rotor head. I'm hoping I can get the feed back of all type of helos or I might have to set that myself I reckon. I sure do appreciate it. I'm going to jump into that tomorrow for sure. Thank you for the reply and I sure love the tutorial. Take care. God bless 🕊️🕊️🕊️
I've never tried a Sigma DK, but compared to the Dbox, they are very very close. I prefer the Qubic because of price and they have a great support discord for their users
For who's better between the two, I don't know. I've never tried the Sigma system. I've tried a bunch of others and I prefer the Qubic. As for price. The QS-210 is cheaper and more in line with the Sigma DK2. The DK6 equvilant is the QS-220.
i would agree this unit is more in line w/ a dk2 system for the price and performance. having said that i have a dk2 and love mine. highly recommend.@@TheSimpit
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I've had the DOF Reality P3 For over 3 years now. Once you start racing with motion, there is no going back. Total immersion.
At first, I was a little apprehensive at motion. I tried it in the past and wasn't too happy with it, but this changed my mind. I can't live without it anymore
are bass shakers necessary if you have a motion rig?
@@hait3k I have one Buttkicker gamer 2 under my ass and I feel everything. I would say it's needed for more immersion, definitely.
Nice! I totally need to figure out how to bolt those up to my office chair!
Wow, great in depth review. Like to see an other one after a few months of use to see how it all holds up.
Great review! Looking forward to hearing what your favorite profiles arr
Awesome video, would love one of these.
I am hoping to get a response from you. I am a big fan. I decided to buy the qubic system but couldn't decide on 210 or 220. Is the 400 fast enough, or must I go with 800? I am strictly on gt3 with iRacing. No dirt. There is a significant price difference between the two platforms. I know you use 210. I guess if you are satisfied, that should be too 😂 what do you think?
Hey man. I've tried both. I tried the 220 at the Sim Expo, and I own the 210. The 210 is great. They also just added wheel spin effectsto it and it has made it so much better.
thank you so much for responding. I’m going with the 210.
Surely @QubicSystem will provide me a unit since I was the first to comment.
That would be cool 😎. Lol
Hopefully, they are watching and listening!
They are always Watching...
They always are@@NOOBIFIER1337 , lol
Ameer, would love to see a tour of your sim rig. It looks very sweet even without the motion.
I will be soon Bobby, I'll be doing a vid on my rig in its current state and how it will be upgraded in our rig build off.
this is the best motion system ever
It is a really great system!
If you ain't Jigglin, then you ain't living😂
😂😂😂
My SFX-100 system does a very similar job and cost around 2000 euros to buy all the parts, plus I had the satisfaction of building it myself, no way I could justify 5000 euro even if it is comparatively cheap compared to other motion solutions
Not really similar, sure both do movement.
SFX-100 is slower at 245mm/s velocity compared to these at 400mm/s
These Quibic's, like D-box also do haptic / vibrations, not just movement. That in itself is a big difference, I don't see SFX-100 providing this.
It's a massive difference, I had D-Box and that in itself was amazing.
SFX-100 has 100mm of travel these one (they have other model with more travel) go 60mm So (SFX has more travel, but slower rate)
I wouldn't really call these the same league. One is for the hobbyist, and one happy to build, the other is a professional pre-built system, made by a major motion company with lots of support and tuning in their software.
@@striffanswer to that is the ERacing lab RS mega plus. Check it out.
@@striffdo you use 100% of force available? Like the whole 400mm/s? I’ve heard other guy reviewing this set said that it was too much and he’s using like 25% of it (so I assume it 25% of 400mm/s?)
@@Triple_M_Motorsport I've got Qubic on order but the system I have on order can do 800 mm/s.
I don't think force is related to this, more response.
Another TH-cam reviewer tested The system I'm getting and did 800 mm/s (need 240 / 230 volt, like in Australia or a step up converter) and also did 400 mm/s .
@@striff so I wonder what else could change when you lower the force. Mass is constant. Displacement is constant as well (you want the same range of movement but with less force). Time is constant (you want the movement in the same timelapse as before). So… I guess the speed should be lower?
Are you running this on 110v outlets? Any issues for the 3dof for users who dont have 220 available?
I'm running it on 220, but 110v is good too. The system was designed to work anywhere with no issues what so ever. This system need alot less power than the bigger QS-220 version.
Hi. Thanks for the video.1) looking at the actuators, they don’t seem to move any differently than an sfx platform. Could you elaborate how superior they might be? 2) can you describe what sort of vibration effects did you experience? 3) did you feel those effects equally in all games you tried? Thank you.
Hey, for 1. Most motion hardware move in the same manner and have similar hardware components design. What separates them is the speed and acceleration of the platform and the software and how it translates the telemetry into motion and vibrations
2 and 3. Motion is very dependent on the sim's telemetry output and some sims output more effects than others. Some motion companies get around it with post processing and using different inputs, some do it better than others. Once I took the time to setup my motion profiles for the sims, they all felt very similar in terms of effects but again it really depends on the telemetry for the amount of effects outputted.
You should have tried to center the actuators on the rubber cups
I am looking forward to get the Qubic Systems QS-210 actuators. But first I want to find out if they worth the extra money over the RS MEGA + Which are a lot cheaper.¿Anyone has tried both?
The RS MEGA+ does a great job at motion, But overall I enjoy the feel of the Qubic much more and has a lot more customization options along with post processing features. Qubic feels much more natural with how it provides feedback to the driver. The Qubic system is made by Motion Systems who are one of the best commercial motion platform builders in the world
Thanks for the great video. Is wheel slip effect available in all sims? In other words, can I feel, the actuators vibrating when approaching the lateral tyre grip limit? And is the effect consistent from one sim to the other? Thanks
For the most part yes, you can feel all the effects consistently. You do have to dial in the settings for each sim, but I didnt have to do many changes. I haven't tried it with WRC yet because they didn't have telemetry output at launch.
@@TheSimpit thanks for the reply. Sorry to be bugging you, but can you feel the actuators when approaching the tyre lateral grip limit in all games? With SFX100, I only feel it in RF2, and only a little in ams2. Iracing as well. But not at all in ac, acc. I'd consider getting a qubic if that was the case in all games but I was told that the issue is with the game telemetry not necessarily the motion software.
On their website they say GT7 is one of the supported games. I understood it does not work on consoles but on PC's only. Am I wrong?
Yes it only supports PC. I didn't see GT7 on their site for supported games
I can't speak for this motion systems software, I have never used it. But I have used motion in GT7 and Project cars on PS4/5 with Sim racing studios, so it definitely can be done.🤔
@@TheSimpit Yes, because they've just changed their website accordingly right after my email. Unfortunately they do not support simracing on consoles. - Anyway, at least your review is a great one.
Gotcha, I looked after I saw your comment and I didn't see it either. I didn't know it was on there before. Thanks for watching it!
You may still need a PC to run the motion, but it communicates to the console game over the network. My motion system (SR2) can also be set up that way.
all the resellers in US are around $9-10k for the 3DOF. so i don't see how the price is a pro
Which resellers? All the official Qubic resellers have it for way less than what you mentioned.
Not true at all. This system is $6,600 at a US retailer. You have to remember the conversion factor of Euros to Dollars and also the cost of shipping, etc.
How does it compare with the Dbox g5?
I've tried both and I like my Qubic much better. The effects feel much more crisp and it's much cheaper than the Dbox.
8ms is way too much. In the audio world that's double the acceptable latency for performance.
Absolute nonsense. It takes your brain 4ms to register pain. It is quicker than the reaction time of track athletes reacting to the starter gun which is over 12ms. You have no concept of how fast 8ms is.
Audio world? That's comparing apples and bowling balls.
8ms @ 100mph is 4cm. You don't really notice that kind of latency.
At 37:05 You have it set way too high my friend. Try calming out down some. I have a Buttkicker gamer 2 under my seat on my DOF Reality P3. Tim Rengers on iracing. See you there!
Hi Tim, yeah it is, lol. I'm still fine tuning it to my liking. My thinking was to show the range of motion on it. It was still enjoyable l.
I plan on another video once I have everything fully dialed in.
@TheSimpit Cool cool. Less is more, especially in Indy and rallycross! Enjoy it my friend.
How does it stack against dbox, sigma, ?
I've tried the older Dbox G4 and I like this much more. I haven't tried the sigma, but I can get back to you after the Sim Expo
That’d be great :) not a lot of people have tried different motion rigs so it’s hard to find comparisons online to the about 5-8 different offerings :)
I had d-box, their pricing to upgrade was ridiculous (wanted to go from 1.5 inch to 3 inch for 3-dof)
System itself is great and quiet, their support is lacking unless you hint you are looking to buy.
I looked into Sigma, support was great, system specs look good, but just not enough game support.
I looked into Qubic, support is outstanding, I'm in Australia, they did a remote session with me and went though what they do, the software etc. (Very similar to D-box) list of games supported is huge, their actuators have great specs.
I ended up buying their system a few days ago, but through Res-Tech, as they make a modular platform to support / match their rigs which I have!
Ok sounds like Qbic it’ll be!
I just found this channel looking for motion Sims. Especially when it comes to flight. When flying Helo's. You fly it from the seat of your pants and the sounds of your inner ear of balance and especially when it comes to the Iroquois Huey from Vietnam. Like a ship The kill that runs from the stern to the bow of the ship is the backbone which is that dead center of a ship on the high seas. No matter if it's a Cadillac of All ships of millions of dollars or even a bass boat for under 5K USD? You going to feel any issues and you'll feel it before you see it. I'm wondering if there is a DCS or Microsoft 2020 ability for this product? Really for a helicopter pilots. You really have to fly it by the seat of your pants as you're looking around for man pads of the enemy or supporting JTAC or pfcs on the ground. That would be a great thing for me to promote to others and using this evaluation of yours to promote it. Even hopefully maybe a cheaper version were those who have not may have the ability to u 36:47 pgrade their rigs.
Hey man. yes, this motion works great in flight sims. I haven't tried it with DCS yet, but I have in MSFS. This motion is compatible with most sims on the market. You can check out their website for a full list.
@@TheSimpit That would be real awesome! I hope I get the feedback. Being a usn/Ret honorable DD214. I'm just an old rotor head. I'm hoping I can get the feed back of all type of helos or I might have to set that myself I reckon. I sure do appreciate it. I'm going to jump into that tomorrow for sure. Thank you for the reply and I sure love the tutorial. Take care. God bless 🕊️🕊️🕊️
Thanks for your service man. I'm a soon to be DD214 holder myself.
How does this compare to DBox or Sigma DK?
I've never tried a Sigma DK, but compared to the Dbox, they are very very close. I prefer the Qubic because of price and they have a great support discord for their users
Sigma Integrale dk6 is still a better option and cheaper
For who's better between the two, I don't know. I've never tried the Sigma system. I've tried a bunch of others and I prefer the Qubic.
As for price. The QS-210 is cheaper and more in line with the Sigma DK2. The DK6 equvilant is the QS-220.
i would agree this unit is more in line w/ a dk2 system for the price and performance. having said that i have a dk2 and love mine. highly recommend.@@TheSimpit