Building a Fireproof Safe (pt. 1 of 2)
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In this video I build a double walled fire proof safe with a four pin locking mechanism.
Justin, I hope you come back soon with some more interesting content. I hope the farm life hasn't taken you away from being an amazing content creator and engineer. Really want to see where you get to with the RV, or what your wife has designed that you have milled out of wood or steel. I'm sure there's a bunch of subscribers out there that miss your content.
Yes, I miss him too. Great content. Hope all is well.
Was thinking the same, but if you look at his videos, he does take extended breaks every now and then. Hope all is well!
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Yea I just came to his page myself to make sure I haven't missed a video or that I was unsubscribed for some reason. that has happened to me in the past on another channel I enjoy.
what happned to him? he is offline almost 6month and his insta links is dead.
Hope your videos come back soon, miss watching them I've watched all your videos more than once
When the linkage came together, it was simply beautiful. Well done.
Indeed. That mechanical activation was really sweet.
Tip: put lipstick on the end of the locking pins to mark where to drill your holes. Great build any way you slice it. I would've drilled holes in the bottom so it can be bolted to the floor. They will often take the whole safe and leave.
Having both an engineering and security background some thoughts:
- engineering is good, but you could have decoupled the metal on the outside from the inside. See how modern windows are made. So no thermal transfer occurs, or at least not so much.
- maybe add some tabs or a way to secure the safe to the ground (if you don't weld it somewhere to the ground)
Now to the main problem...
- the main reason most of the cheap fireproof safes fail to do their job is not fire proofness - its water proofness. Normally the fire dept. arrives in under 30 minutes so a 60 minute fire proofness is more than enough. But the fire dept. uses mainly water to extinguish fire. Pouring it on for hours. So the documents and most valuables which don't like water are destroyed AFTER the fire by soaking for hours in water.
Added later:
At least we now could get
Part II - making the fireproof safe waterproof !
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Would a gasket solve this problem? Maybe packing a fiberglass rope soaked in high temp grease around the ingress points of the handle and lock?
Agreed, Waterproof storage containers within any fire safe are a must. The overlap of waterproofing gasket materials and high temperature resistance is pretty small.
Being an engineer, do you have a solution for waterproofing? I’m guessing rubber seals would melt. Is there another product out there that could be used? Thanks
@@robertrusso877 melting is ok ;) it seals even better. There are many silicone gaskets which will be happy to meet the requirements even with the safe starting to glow red.
@@kschleic9053 in fact it is not so easy . If you read instructions on good fireproof safes (the ones for documet use aka paper) they specifically tell you not to put plastic sheets in them. The plastic melts before paper gets dark from temperature. Then the documents are also done..
When you where drilling with the magnetic drill, made me think of those safecracker scenes in movies.
It's always a good day when there's a new Rainfall Project. It's especially serendipitous today as it's raining and dreary here. Excellent work!
In Cape Town too! Perfect for stormy weather 👌
Guyz white material is ceramic blanket? What is it?
Having watched for years and knowing your abilities, skills, tools and ingenuity, I'm still amazed at how easy you made that look! Well done! Kudos to your photographer too!
A new Rainfall Projects video is a great way to start the day. Thanks.
Are you going to add fire rope or something as a fireproof gasket on the door?
Yeah. also to keep the smoke out. Even if you keep the fire out, all that smoke still usually ruins everything.
I was thinking you could use an oven door gasket from a large oven, or possibly buy the exact length you need from an appliance repair supplier.
I think there's a type of gasket made just for safes that expands with heat. Could be wrong but i remember someone telling me that.
Good point. Possibly the door gasket for fireplaces would be a good option as they are exposed to extreme heat or the gasket for a kiln would work.
your know how and skills are quite remarkable, what a vast amount of knowledge do you have for all these projects , its really insane to find such a qualitative series on youtube! Very rare. Keep up the great work ! I love how the barn looks
Best quote I saw on another channel "I love working with metal ... the glue dries so quickly"
Would've been cool if you had made the backing plate with plexiglass so you could see the linkages. A+ project, all the same.
Perhaps some windows, but would have been difficult to add the shaft collar support on the backing plate if it were plexy.
@@ixamraxi That's a fair point.
Yes. That is the most beautiful part of the safe that has lots of linkage.
Glass, plexiglass or polycarbonate would be a good idea but after a certain extended period of time to extreme heat they would eventually break. Learned it from a few fire fighters.
@@jasonlazore497 I guess it depends on how long the safe would be subjected to the fire. Assuming they aren't too far out in the boonies, the fire department will have put out the fire before the internal temperature of the safe got too high. Glass would be the better choice, I would think, since breaking from the heat wouldn't necessarily damage anything else inside the safe. Plexi melting all over would be a mess and a half.
Thanks for taking the time to film and post this. I haven't seen any of your movies in a while and I have to say I'm super impressed at your fabrication skills
now alls ya need is black and gold paint ... and it'll be Choochi👊🏻 well done
That was some really cool metal work. It's not everyday I see someone build a safe, a fireproof safe as well, from scratch! Talk about practical and useful. It's kind of eery how easy you made the process look. But, I think the process is a physical representation of the designer's logic and rationale in approaching a solution to a particular problem or design goal. Your fabrication is simple, effective and minimalist. Waste not, want not. I see now why farmers need to be self-reliant to stay operational. Excellent presentation and project build!
Man I absolutely love your projects and the quality of your videos. I do however long for the farming videos you used to do. That machinery is both impressive and hypnotizing.
Wow. Some really precise work there, especially with the nested boxes, and the linkages for the locking mechanism. It even looks good. Great job! [now, going to scroll down, and see ALL of the suggestions that commenters have to improve on your already excellent work--I'm sure there will be dozens of comments about fireproofing, etc., etc.]
Where you at man? I miss your content. Hope all is well.
“This is the Lockpicking Lawyer, and today we’re going to be taking a look at a fireproof safe built by a radish farmer.” 😂
Jk, amazing work!
Lawyer showed how to open the safe lock in video number 1001
@@zmyrus Yeah but that's a robot lock picker that takes 8-30 hours to open this one. My guess is radish farmer comes out with laser weapon in that amount of time: secures gold, bills and giant diamond, apprehends villain, ties to fork lift, takes to authorities since he's a pretty solid dude and doesn't seem inclined to vigilante justice.
LPL did say he's skilled at these types of combo locks. I wonder how long it would take or if he would just insert a credit card behind the bolts or pull off some other kind of side attack.
I was looking precisely for this comment. 😂😂
I imagine the simplest way is just to brute force the wheel and snap off the locking part. Or, of course, just drilling it out entirely.
hahaha....yeah, bullet proof safe with a lock you can open in under on minute
You're on a different level, young man. Always fun to watch. Happy holidays.
I’m watching welding videos to learn and see how things are made. I am new to welding and want to build a cabinet smoker. So I searched for a gun safe video since I knew it may be similar. I even thought of studs to hold insulation, lol. This is the same idea I had double wall with insulation in between. Great video! ✌️😎
It’s a great day when when a rainfall project drops! Good video as usual and I love the safe. Only thing I would’ve done differently (if it were my project) is leave the old paint on the wheel. Loved the patina and character it had - otherwise great work as usual!
Absolutely stellar work! I loved that linkage, and really the entire project exudes a professional level of skill and expertise. I've been in the market for some sort of fireproof safe or lockbox, and thinking about where in the house would be the 'coldest' in a fire, to place it. Also gave some thought to a sort of fireproof closet to put the purchased box in, to increase its time and temp stats. One thing the professional boxes have (that I figure I'd have to duplicate in some fashion in my closet) is an 'intumescent' seal that swells with the heat, since a surprising amount of heat can make it through a metal-on-metal jamb in a house fire. Not sure how you could fabricate or source such a seal, but it might be a good idea to bring the doorjamb crack up closer to the heat resistance of the rest of this very well-built safe. But anyway, kudos! It's a great looking safe!
Really ambitious project man your a good fabricator......im a welder also and for finding your locking bolt holes locations I use this stuff called dykem high spot blue its a non drying blue die and works great for stuff like this machinists use it to find high spots between mating parts just smear it on.
Great Job! I do recommend to drill holes in the bottom so you can bolt it to the ground, one other suggestion it to put the door opening side in a corner so someone cant try to pry it open.
Had checked on your channel in awhile and was surprised I missed this video! Wonderful content as always!
Something about your videos makes me feel proud to be a country boy builder. Nothing better than getting inspiration from the way you think, build, and communicate over a Saturday morning coffee. Hope all is well out there my friend 🤠
Three things in order, just observations, not critique:
1. in a fire proof safe the core is decoupled from the outer skin, can't help that now tho.
2. the handle needs to either be a weak link itself (small pin and only a small portion of the shaft going out) or a weak link inside, otherwise it can be used against the mechanism
3. fireproof safes fail for the most unlikely reasons, which is when the fire department arrives, their concern is to stop the fire, not save your property (or better expressed, they're not specific about what's saved, they're specific about being safe whilst stopping the fire, saving lives being their biggest concern, theirs and that of the potential victims), so it needs to be water proofed, which means you need a gasket, which itself needs to be fire proof and water proof (yup, tall order).
Source: i used to work with a safe company's engineer, learnt a few things from him.
Regarding point no. 3 - that's actually pretty easy. You can get RTV Silicone gaskets pretty cheaply now.
But it would be extremely interesting to stress test this safe. I think it might hold surprisingly well.
1 This is not a problem for many valuables, but if a person is storing something that needs to be shielded further, a lock box inside the safe would provide an additional layer of heat protection, as well as providing the convenience of sorting the items inside the safe, if he required even more protection he could also line the inside with ceramic plates, so while conduction is a problem, this is a problem that can still be helped.
2. This is unnecessary for this kind of personal safe, there's little sense in him making a safe that he needs to destroy to recover the valuables inside. His goal seems primarily to protect the items inside from things like fire or being misplaced, he's not trying to prevent the cast of oceans 11 from stealing what's inside.
3. This also shouldn't be a problem for most valuables. Things which are at risk of water damage can be stored inside heat resistant waterproof containers (waterproof silicone containers, for example)
The point is only that these are not insurmountable problems, and most of the issues, which granted are valid concerns, can be overcome fairly readily.
Excellent video, as usual! Whenever I want something cool, my first inclination isn't to build one, so I'm always impressed when you do.
Really fantastic project.
Always appreciate the workmanship.
Well done.
This was really cool. It would be neat to see an up close view of how the locking mechanism prevents the wheel from turning.
Very fun and practical build! Would love to see the fireproof-ness put to the test, perhaps build a big bonfire around it and see how quickly the temperature inside increases with a thermocouple.
Great video, as always... I seen that you used tape to make the impressions for your pins. Another "tool" that is great for leaving impressions is lipstick. I learned it from an old carpenter about 35 years ago and still use it for projects today. Dark colors for wood work and florescent colors for metal work.
So glad you made this. It's on my list of things to make but haven't gotten around to it yet
Can you do another video or something close up on how the mechanism works from the number dial?
Beautiful build and a pleasure to watch!
Hi Justin, i hope everthing is OK . We miss you and your beautifull work.
Been a long time since the last video! hope all is good and looking forward to seeing what you're up to!
Glad I stumbled onto this video I enjoyed watching this come together. You have an awesome shop as well.
There are ceramic studs used to secure kiln insulation. Also: for the locking pins, if they have a flat taper on the side facing out, and a matching ‘D’ shape hole, they will push in when you tighten them. Good to press down on a gasket. The gasket is the same stuff used for oven doors.
Dude that build was amazing! That linkage system is amazing! You do really good work! 🙌👊
Wow! That's one of the most interesting videos I have seen on TH-cam. You definetely have got loads of knowledge about building stuff. I want to congratulate you for everything you do. Thank you for sharing with us all your experience. Kind regards.
really impressive going through the whole process
Can’t wait for the next rainfall projects video! Definitely have gone back just to make sure I didn’t miss an upload
I made a similar type of safe, but ran into an issue. In testing I put a large lever arm on the wheel that you spin and was able to break the combination mechanism. However, you safe is orders and orders of magnitude better than mine. Great job!
the masking tape idea is great - use some lipstick on the pins = close the door and it will mark the tape. i have used this to mark drywall for outlet boxes -works great
I know a locksmith who uses this technique too.
Graphite will work too
So you carry a lipstick in your toolbox? They would laugh at the jobsite.
Just kidding, it's a great idea.
if memory serves me, my youtube experience began with your videos. the master of design and welding has 'wooed us' again. it's so humbling watching what you do. your expertise and simplicity is worthy of praise and admiration. how did you know how to construct the 'cam' mechanism so precisely?
thanks for another fine instructive video. i hope you and the family are well despite covid. looking forward to the day when you announce that a 'baby farmer and/or little lad who will recite " I will arise and go now, and go to Innisfree, And a small cabin build there, of clay and wattles made;
Nine bean-rows will I have there, a hive for the honey-bee, And live alone in the bee-loud glade," as lovely as his mother's voice. cheers
That was one amazing fab project.. your videos depresses me as much as they inspire..
I watch em, and its like "dang i should use my time more wisely"..
Gotta come back and rewatch Pt 1 for the millionth time to make Pt 2 feel extra special.
Wow. Thank you for sharing. What an excellent project
Now we wait for the LockPickingLawyer video..... 😉😂🤣👍
It is fun to watch and see how you think something out and make it work. Thank you
I love the folding up of the box. Very efficient technique
Amazing craftsmanship
Just going to say, that is really cool and I really enjoy watching you build things. I find it inspiring to help me create things with my own hands.
To enhance the fire resistance line the void and door with drywall board or joint compound. This is a common practice used by safe mfg. Some of current safes I work on are using a concrete lining. Nice build.
Another great project! Thanks!
Nice to see the S&G in use . Well done very nice job looks impressive nice lock links as well never seen links that well made before they are normally bits of hacked out strip few bits or hard plate in certain places would be a nice addition
Great work as always. Thanks for sharing.
As always a great video to watch as it is pouring rain here in oregon. I really like how inventive and creative you are
Truly awesome! Was thinking about how to start making a safe. Your skills are precise. Something I aspire too.
Wow that's big and beefy. Very nice job. Keep up the great craftsmanship and hard work my friend. Keep making. God bless.
Nice.
But, if you build another one...
If you design your door and jambs right, your hinge side pins do not need to move, they can be static. They will catch when your door closes. You can then use your door fulcrums to run top and bottom pins as well as your side pins. More insulation, more insulation, more insulation.
One trick I learned from a carpenter installing door locks was to use lipstick on the deadbolt when trying to figure out where things align. It leaves a visible accurate mark. Great work by the way!
Nice to see I’m not the only welder who uses stencils 12:23
Very nicely done! Whenever you need to locate a hole for a slide bolt, strike plate or anything else where you can't get to it, use lipstick, it's dead-on.
Well done, nice job. First time I was little bit skeptical about the hinges facing outwards until I realized there are 4 locking pins :-)
Nice build, and I really like the door's linkage. Future Tip - when you have to locate pin locations like that, you can "soot" the ends of the pin with your torch, or a daub of your wife's lipstick, to make sure you have a clear, clean impression. If you use your wife's lipstick, make sure you don't tell her you borrowed it. Wives do not take kindly to such things.
Also, the fire rating drops precipitously when you don't insulate the door or use a fire seal around the door. All that insulation on the body is for naught if you don't seal the door and insulate it every which way you can. Some 1/4" drywall/gypsum can be layered in there, making sure to get under the linkage mechanism, and some Kaowool blanket can fill the voids without worry about tangling around the mechanism. The door seals are available COTS, and help to seal things when the heat rises, but also give a more finished appearance. Without those two details, the same isn't resistant to heat/fire no matter how much insulation you put in the hollow core of the body.
The only thing I like about winter is that you have more time to make videos. Lol. Fantastic build.
Hey man hope all is well hope to see y’all again soon! Love the content!
I wanted to see it painted. Great job!
Very impressive. I found this video as I want to make a lockbox... but your skill is out of this world. I think the project is a bit beyond me :)
You should add an access panel for the combination change tool. Normally you'd just remove the door liner but in your case the door liner has bushings which you wouldn't want to remove.
Love the build... that's just awesome... however... I'm still waiting for that part 8 of the deck build... lol
I really liked that build 👍
Nice! You can always use grease to locate your holes versus tape.
Little bit of grease on the pin ends to mark for the holes works well too, great video as always
Awesome safe, most have a hardened steel plate mounted between the lock body and the spindle somewhere to protect the lock, that would be a nice addition.
I haven't gotten to the end, but what we do in the field for metal to metal marking is just coat it in a bunch of Sharpie. Then make you metal to metal contact. We use this to ensure tight fitment in pipeline instrumentation.
Absolutely Beautiful!
I wonder how that shop bought combination lock would hold up to a 1/2 battery impact gun on the center bolt of the hand wheel. Nice build the locking pins worked out great
Just discovered you, and in blown away you can actually build an entire safe with locks and pins. So cool
Hey Justin hope your Farming has been going well, and everything is okay. Hope see another awesome methodical build video of something!
You should watch soon videos on the locking mechanism in old-fashioned safes. There is a great recent video on Old iron machine works channel that covers this. I think you will find that the mechanism is surprisingly simple. I suspect that your plasma table is capable of making the necessary parts with little more than filing off the dross. I have one of these 1860s safes myself and rebuilt the lock. I was really startled at how simple of a mechanism it is. I know you normally stick to large fabrication projects, but I think you might find this an interesting introduction to more precision work. They are really kind of fun to make, friction is everything, so there is a lot of filing and trial and error. Surprisingly more of an art than a science. Watch a few videos, I think you will want to give it a shot.
For location the holes, you can use grease on the pins and when you close them they will leave the marks. Anyways maybe a tip for the future projects.
That was awesome! Did you organically decipher the linkage angles for the locking mechanism or did you find some info on how to do that? You gotta be pretty stout to move all the steel around. Great job, man!
Its good to see you again please be more active in youtube
Just checking in. Hope all is well. I have half my crop planted. We are super dry and need rain. I’m waiting to plant anything else until we get moisture. Hope the farm is doing well.
That linkage came out excellent! Not to be critical, but you might want to consider adding two vertical pins top and bottom. The way the safe is designed right now makes it prone to entry using a vertical bar in a prying motion. The front door potentially has the ability to fold, even just enough to clear the pins. Having a central pin top and bottom prevents this. That said, I don't suspect you are trying to build a bank grade safe, just enjoying the ability to build what you need. I think it's great how you are willing to try out so many different disciplines
@Rainfall projects - Nice build... I would however recommend installing a thick anti-drill plate behind the dial to protect the lock itself. Also a 'glass plate' style, or spring-loaded cable relocking mechanism, they help resist against the more common brute force opportunist attacks on the door. I'd also strengthen the safe door jam with hardened steel around the entire inner door frame, thus resisting a determined crowbar from separating the door from its frame. In my humble opinion, this safe fabricated resembles a gun safe in overall 'resistive' strength, moreover not a 'safe' for high value cash and possessions. I believe smaller 'concealed' floor/wall safes, are in my opinion the best way to protect your cash & valuables. Thanks for sharing this video.
That's a really good job! Two suggestions for you now since you already put so much effort into this thing. 1: drill a hole on the inner door skin for the change key hole; this way you can always change the combo without having to remove the inner skin every time. 2: design an external relocker. I'm not saying you need glass, but a spring fired pin into the bolt work would do the trick.
Cool project, thanks for sharing!
That was beautiful! Well done!
You should build a smaller scale version with all the parts including the double-shell, air-gap, studs and framing then put it in a fire to see if it really is fireproof. My intuition tells me that the metal contact between the outer shell, the spacer and the inner shell will conduct all that heat just fine.
Holy cow....this is the second video of yours I've seen. Just finished watching your truck bed tool box organizer build. Your inflection in your voice has gotten much easier to listen to. Your shop has improved greatly as well. I hope you come back....your last video has like 350k views. I see you've gotten some equipment that will make you money while you're doing other things so my guess is you're just too busy but I hope you put out more videos.
That was fun, thanks for sharing!
Thanks for taking the time to post this! It was a great video.
Hope to see new videos again. You do great work.
Remember to bolt that safe into a wall or down to the floor.
Or if you're doing construction to cast inside concrete.
Safes of this category can do well with this kind of construction .
As someone else said, the urgent upgrade part to check is water proofness. Add some door gaskets and check your welds .
Upper categories usually start featuring a front door that resist drilling attacks , and protect the opening and lock mechanism.
Unfortunately, if this safe is for a workshop ... there are plenty of tools around to drill :P
My favorite utubes channel....nice work as always 😎💪👍