Review: 415Hz Zen-on Bressan alto | Team Recorder
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- Finally it's here - a 415 alto recorder in PLASTIC!
This year Zen-on, in collaboration with master recorder makers Shigeharu Hirao and Hiroyuki Takeyama, have released a Bressan alto recorder at 415Hz, made in high quality resin. I was Kindly sent one by one of my viewers (thank you Henry!!) so I put it through it's paces for you!
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In this video I play on:
- a 415 plastic Bressan alto by Zen-on
- a 442 plastic Bressan alto by Zen-on
- a 415 rosewood Denner alto by Joachim Rohmer
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Please be careful if ordering. The first recorder on her link isn’t the 415 recorder, it’s the standard Zenon G1A. If you scroll to the bottom, you’ll see the 415 version, and it’s more than twice as much! That said, it’s great to see an affordable 415 instrument for us altoists. Thanks for the review!
Fred Patton 415 means that the alto recorder would be in the key of E
This comment should be highlighted and kept at the top of the comments section. I would have ordered the wrong product had I not read your post.
@@RockStarOscarStern634 it's not, it's in the key of F at A=415.
@@RockStarOscarStern634 , well, that's one way of looking at it. I don't know how many people would look at it that way.
@@RolandHutchinson I think Key of E is rather interesting way of putting it cause it could make playing popular songs in E Major much simpler.
I just bought one : at the beginning, it was just to replace my wood recorder in difficult conditions or for exercices, but....this plastic recorder is amazing ! And I play it now regularly with pleasure. I highly recommend it !
Yeah wood is way too fussy
Hello, I'd want to ask: is there any difference between the 440 plastic Zen-on and the 415 one, other than the pitch? Can a review of the 415 one be applied to the 440 one? Thanks.
Wow the Zen On G-1A sound is VERY similar to the expensive wooden recorder Very close to my ears, it may be different in person. I like the deeper tone of the 415 hz I ordered both of the ZenOn G-1A one in 440hz and one in 415hz to try and play with. I love the sound of a Tenor recorder, so the 415hz bridges the gap between the 440hz Alto, and a Tenor recorder. I bought my New Zen-On 415hz for $123.00 free freight, shipped direct from Japan through an EBAY seller.
...SIMPLY WONDERFUL!!! ...I AM "ABSOLUTELY SURE" THAT I WILL BUY THIS AMAZING RECORDER!!! ...THANK YOU VERY MUCH SARAH!!! 🙏🙏🙏🔝🔝🔝
It sounds pretty good to me! My first recorder was a Zen-on Bressan treble (as we used to call them). I've not seen very many of them since then but this valuable contribution might give them a bit more recognition. Smart move! Thanks for the video.
Thank you for putting this out
When you were pushing it into harmonics, it was very shakuhachi-esque. Love the review!
OMG I thought the box read Gigolo and I was all for it! I really love how detailed your comparison videos are! I can't tell the difference right now but I keep coming back to these and might before I decide to buy if I ever reach that level lol!
“10h of practice every morning”
You disappoint me, Sarah. I thought you were a Ling Ling and doing 40h/day ;-) :D
Kidding aside, loved the video. I do think the wooden one sounds better, however quality plastic ones are handy for practicing and indeed for being a lower step for new students wanting to learn the recorder.
omg 2set violin fans are literally everywhere!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@@jimbasajohn9768 ofc
T W O S E T
Yeah, those are some impressively long mornings, says I.
Sarah should be a guest on 2Set since they did a whole video making fun of the recorder. She would set them straight.
Nice video i really love it!
You are so good at the recorder
I’m gettting one right now
And I mean right now I’m so exited
I got mine last Saturday! Woohoo!
My daughter picked up a cheap recorder from frenchies. I promised to learn with and teach her, trading skills as we go. I found your cheap recorders video, and now this one and I'm sure I want this recorder for it. Thank you
Thank you just got in the Black Friday Sale with the Early Music Shop along with a book you recommend in a workshop thank you 😀
Thank you Sarah for the nice review and I always really enjoy your happy videos. If you might allow me to add a little more explanation to it, the G-1A 415 is made through injection molding "machine" process which is the same as ordinary plastic recorder, and different from the Bernolin handmade which some people commented in this thread.
it is available on e-bay, it seems, from different sellers.
Hello Sarah, thank you for this video. I just love your instrument reviews.
Judging from what I hear in this video - I have never heard it live - it seems a nice instrument, but I'm not entirely happy about its higher notes.
But, as you say, it is important that plastic recorder makers have started to create affordable 415 instruments.
Recovering from pneumonia. So much more fun with my 415Hz recorder than the volumetric exerciser!
Thank you for this review, Sarah❗️I was hesitating about resin Bernolin or Zen On Bressan. I know, maybe the best of both options it would have been the Bernolin Option, but I have rathered Zen On intead of the other, and thus save money for a wooden one. Thanks for your videos and content, you help us a lot❗️🤗
It would be interesting to hear a side by side comparison between the Zen-on and a Bernolin. I can't come to a decision. Help!
The moment at 7:25 when you play two recorders made me laugh quite hard. Thank you for that. :~)
I also recorder player.😉
Great vid. I think I'm gonna be a fan.❤
You've just got a fan from Indonesia :D
Greeting from indonesia
Good editing!
It was, I noticed too 🙂
MY MOM JUST RANDOMLY HANDED ME THIS KIND OF RECORDER THANK YOU FOR THIS
AT FIRST WE THOUGHT IT WAS A FLUTE 🥹
Really interesting. My 440 Zenon is the best plastic treble. It was the only plastic treble in the Early Music Shop with a clear top c 3 octaves above middle c. The others were also good but the Zenon one was best.
The 415 version sounds terrific.
3 octaves above the middle c? Where did you get the information that it could do that? I have not found it listed as such on the early music shop.
@@yoditgudit6578 that is how high up i can play on it. That c is clear. There may be higher notes possible but that is how high i can play on it.
Is there any difference between the 440 plastic Zen-on and the 415 one, other than the pitch? Can a review of the 415 one be applied to the 440 one? Thanks.
Nice Video 👍
I play this in church which forces me to transpose every hymn up a half tone, good exercise. At the same time I get an E-foot for free.
Just a heads up for all the enthusiasts looking to buy; if the instrument is less than ~$120 USD, it's not the 415 version! The 415 version is double the cost of the 442, so make sure the listing says 415 on it :)
I bought one two days ago... Lucky I beat the Sarah induced rush!!
Thank you for such great information and wonderful spontaneous responses.
Would you ever consider a video on buying quality secondhand / revoiced recorders please, and advice on recorders before the 2nd World War etc. - Tulipwood or Cocobolo or Grenadill with ivory beak ornamentation etc. (are they worth repairing). Many thanks.
what i like to do in order to avoid fast condensation in plastic instruments is to sink the headjoint in hot water and dry it right after.... much faster way to warm up your instrument and its very effective!
I hope we will have on the market a tenor recorder at 415.
I purchased a new Yamaha YRS-402B Ecodear soprano recorder recently (I thought I chose the alto on eBay - my mistake). You are amazing and your love for all the various recorders and similar instruments is very inspiring. I have watched your TH-cam video many times, “Choosing a PLASTIC Recorder” aired five years ago. It would be great if you could do an updated review on the all plastic alto recorders you & your colleagues have in the same video. I am practicing on my soprano recorder but would still like to purchase an alto plastic recorder. Thank you and keep up the good work.
Never get the 400 ecowhatevers. Stick with the 300 series
Man, I agree with what you were saying about that high end "metalic" sound on that plastic alto. That 415 alto though is so expensive, I never knew that an alto plastic recorder could be so expensive. If you told me the price I'd guess a high end plastic tenor or a low end plastic bass, 160 for that is insane lol
Yeah. I like the Yamaha 300 tenor way better. I hate airy sounding too.
Yeah!
I'm looking into going to a baroque music intensive this summer, which requires instruments used to be at 415 pitch. They have a few loaner instruments, but this sounds like a potential backup plan that costs an arm instead of an arm AND a leg. I can't justify paying wood prices for a 415 instrument that will only get used once in a blue moon thereafter, but this is possible. If I do decide to go for it, and pass the audition but don't get a loaner instrument.
I've seen them for sale in the Early Music Shop website.
Great review and informative. I have a Coolsma A415 instrument I never use but I play duets at A440 with a friend. Perhaps if I had an A 415 plastic recorder we could play the duets at low pitch.
I have bought the Zen-on A415 recorder inspired by your video. Got it promptly from the Early Music Shop. A long time ago I made Gemshorns and three hole pipes (as well as some cylindrical bore recorders) and I sold instruments to EMS as well as to other people. Thank for your delightful videos and inspiring me to do more recorder playing. For many years rather than making recorder type instruments I tune organs (an instrument also known as a "Box of whistles")
EMS should give you a commission for the items I've bought from them as a result of your videos. :) I'm strictly a hobbyist, but purchased this one because a friend was getting a baroque instrument and asked if I had a 415 pitch recorder (which I did not at the time). So, I bought this one. I liked it so much that I just got the new Zen-on 440 recorder as well. (both from said seller)
We eventually worked together for a bunch of videos which was really nice! My videos 'Comparing different woods' (they lent me 17 recorders to compare!) and 'Which recorder to buy', where I compared models by Moeck , Mollenhauer and Küng. Fun!!
Hi Sarah, I see you have the Zen-On 440 Hz Bressan as well. Did you ever do a review of it? How do you like it in comparison with other plastics like Yamaha and others?
うーん恐るべし全音のプラ管。いい音ですね。買っちゃおうかな。
Oh my god and just in time for Christmas for me. 😁
I thought the same thing!
The case can also accommodate a soprano (assembled) along with the alto.
This recorder is great and I bought an aulos haka alto🙂
yay
To warm it up put in hot water (hot bath temp.) for 3 mins. Makes a big difference in sound, esp. the multiphonics become super clean.
Not just historic pitch players, but I'm a modernist, and several pieces demand playing simultaneously in 440 and 415. It'll be nice to have a 415 instrument available at a price appropriate for the once in a blue moon it's called for .
Exactly my thought also
Hello Sarah ! Really enjoy your video as usual !!!
Finally having a plastic recorder in 415 avalaible on the market is such a great step for youg musicians and curious people :')
By the way, I'd like to ask you a question as a 19 yo recorder student (I've played it since I was 6) who wants to purchase a wood instrument and has no money to do so : who can help financially ? Do you know such an agency ?
I think that can help not only me, but plenty of other young music students around the world :)
Thanks from France !
Hi Sarah...off the subject here, but I have a suggestion for a video topic. I'd like to see you do an in-depth video about managing the microtonal pitch adjustments necessary when playing highly chromatic music or music in lots of sharps/flats on recorder.
Ooh interesting question! This also falla under tuning, temperament.. I did a video on ‘intro to tuning’ that I suspect will cover a lot already, but I’ll think about it more!
One never knows when a 415 will be handy - for example my church's organ is tuned to 415 (a fact which was only discovered when a flute player tried a solo with it after it was installed about 4 years ago). We sometimes have the opportunity to collaborate with viols and it would be nice for them to not have to go through the arduous process of tuning up. I really like my Zen-on 440 alto, and am definitely thinking about the 415; need to do some thinking between this and the Bernolin.
You're organ is tuned down half a step so the C sounds as a B.
Not like a bunch of sleepy old people snoring in the pews on a Sunday morning would ever be able to tell the difference 😅
HI SARAH!! I'm currently learning recorder (self study) and your videos helped me A LOT (from your 1st-2nd recorder lesson and to other stuffs on your channel) , but sometimes, i get confused on what song or piece should i learn next. Could you make a video about recommending classical pieces on recorder for beginners?? That will be a big help to me and other beginners who doesn't know where to start. Thank you Sarah, hope you read it..
That’s a good idea! Where to start, how to continue.. I’ll think on it and stay tuned!
@@Team_Recorder omg you replied!! 😂 Thank you Sarah! I'll look forward to it 😁
@@Team_Recorder This recorder is actually in the key of E which I find ideal for Rock songs like 99 Red Balloons by Gold Finger.
wake me up when the plastic voice flute comes out.)))
It is readily available on Ebay.
In a comparison between this bressam zen on and the aulos haka, which could be the differences? Is one better that the other? What are the differences? (apart from the 415 tuning, which on its own is a big plus for this recorder, but I was just curious about the normal 440 model)
Availble at Antique Sound Workshop and Kelischek music in the US. Von Huene is out of stock
Good to know, thanks!
How does this compare to Bernolin resin Recorder?
Your face during the vivaldi, haha.
Is there also a plastic soprano version available in 415Hz? (By Zen-On or any other brand)
I badly need a 415 recorder for a course in January, so this would be perfect - I'd probably wreck a new wooden one, and I was going to get one of the resin ones but various things have made that rather too expensive as I had to buy some rather pricey essentials recently.
But the only place I can find to get one in the UK is on eBay from sellers in Japan, so far. Early Music Shop don't list it on their website - they do have the A442 version.
Everyone be very, very careful with links, a lot of people linking to the A442 version.
aaaaaand I've ordered one. Happy Christmas, me!
I look forward to hearing it.
Not being creepy, just not my real name.
When does it arrive?
@@dees3179 Some time next week, hopefully!
@@MatthewWaltonWalton yay.
Great things,but how do warm the instrument? I mean the method uses
Hi Sarah.
I am writing to you from Italy.
I always follow your videos, now I can activate simultaneous translation because I don't speak English.
I would like to purchase a plastic alto flute to practice with this instrument.
I also have a Fehr alto made in Switzerland,
it's a flute that is almost 70 years old, I bought it on Ebay and I have to check if it needs to be reconditioned.
Among the various flutes that you proposed in the video I would be pleased to have your advice for the purchase.
Of soprano flutes I have a Yamaha yrs314BIII as present in the video and a Moeck Rottemburg in maple all with baroque fingering. Thanks and see you soon.
Marco
Having been bit by the A415 bug last summer, sounds like this would be a reasonable entrance into this world for casual at-home playing and weekend workshops?
Yes!
@@Team_Recorder Thanks! My local(ish) all-things-recorder vendor is looking into it.
7:25 gives me serious Rings of Saturn vibes
Lmao true
Urrrraaaa!!! now us poor folk can play fancy music on big recorders instead of being relegated to the loud, neighbour disturbing, shame inducing, soprano recorder...
Still love the soprano but for indoor scenarios and the silence of the home, a lower and worm sound is the best and less disturbing/shame inducing when you practice 😁
I agree 100 percent. The soprano is a bit shrill -- especially the higher notes.
@UCtrtCvRBjJgqZaD17FDg64Q
I actually call it an Alto Recorder in E cause it's pitched in the key of E.
Love your videos.
Just got my 415 plastic.
The 440 model came with a thumb rest while the 415 model didn’t.
I have never used a thumb rest for an treble recorder.
I notice you don’t either.
Any thoughts for/against thumb rests?
If you feel the recorder makes your hand hurt, use one.
It's pretty simple.
I know pro players who use one so that's not a problem
Eek! I really want a plastic voice flute.
SAME!!! And a plastic G Alto. And a plastic Renaissance Alto. So many instruments, so much cost :(
Ori!! :) I remember you! Hope you are well!!
@@Oaktreealley Haha fancy that! Small world when you're trawling recorder videos on TH-cam :)
hi sarah i am interested in a tenor id voice flute so i can play the telemann fantasias. is there any on the market please? rob
If a good plastic 415hz Soprano exists - or is in progress of existing - please let me know!
Are you familiar with "the lick" 2:41
How about Tudor Recorders, by Trophy instruments. Are they any good?
Hello Sarah, nice review. I'd want to ask though: is there any difference between the 440 plastic Zen-on and the 415 one, other than the pitch? Can a review of the 415 one be applied to the 440 one? Thanks.
Thanks for the great review, I guess it has been out a while now and the recorder is widely available. I have just received mine from Woodbrass.com it came post free in about five days at 153 euros. I don't consider myself qualified to comment n the technical side, but I like the feel, I like the beak, mouthpiece, it is chunkier and wedge shaped not flat, I find this comfortable to blow on. It is more hungry for air than the Yamaha and less than Aulos. I do love the sound. It is really responsive to a variety of breath so even as a beginner I can hear the effects of tonguing and breath control well. For the price I don't like the finish much, it is a dull or matt finish, the finger hole inserts are not very attractive (I understand the technical reason for them being there) but at the price I feel the instrument could have been polished, the plastic join lines are very evident whereas on the Yamaha and the Autos the finish is very high quality and I prefer the shiny and slightly heavier feel. (the instruments are a third the price or less) There is no finger chart included which is ok, but it is the first instrument I ever acquired without one. It is lighter than the Yamaha and Aulos models. Really glad to have it, but it does make me want something with a little more care taken over the craftsmanship! Thanks for the videos as ever - please keep them coming. (some boring ones about how to really make progress with scales, how to make scales sound beautiful, how to play arpeggios in a really professional manner ) Thanks a million.
My recorder looks like this but the brand name are Comtex II
That's a cleaning stick? All along I've been thinking it was a stick by conductors.
I can't find any ads for a used 415 Zen On Bressan alto, are there so few who own it?
Have you reviewed the Zen On 442? I think so, but can't quite remember...
I haven't actually, though I give it a bit of a play in this video!
Sarah Jeffery / Team Recorder 415 means down a half step, which means that the alto recorder wouldn’t be in F anymore it would be in the key of E.
Sarah Jeffery / Team Recorder If you held those 2 altos side by side the 415 is a bit longer than the 442 so it’s a bit lower meaning a C sounds as a B so that means it transposes down a half step.
I don't know this version of Doen Daphne D'over Schoone Maeght for alto recorder. Where can I?
Adalberto Ricardo Seiffert Neto just play it on the alto instead of a soprano...
Write me at : 7957583@gmail.com, I'll send you the sheet music. Sergei
Here's the Von Huene (USA) link: www.vonhuene.com/p-6331-zen-on-g1-a-bressan-alto-recorder.aspx
I believe the 1A is indeed the 415 model.
(apologies if this is a repost)
Thanks for the video!
This has nothing to do with the recorder but.. I love your lipstick ! Which shade and brand is it ? :)
I have a flute but i dont know what kind is this
Sarah, what is a good wooden 415 that is not too expensive? Any around $400-500?
Look up Mollenhauer Denner - Line 415 / Price 2017 was Pearwood 392 € , Castello 574 € *:D*
I have one Mollenhauer Denner Line 415 one year ago. Pearwood. It Sound great but you must put oil every 3 months because it absorved a lot. But is wonderfull alto. May be other more but very expensive.
Or look at second hand.
I just received mine in the mail that I ordered, and it's the same day as the Queen's death. I'll always think of her when I play. I don't think she played recorder, but she had honorary music degrees and played piano. And regarding the recorder--I love it. The lower pitch really gives the notes depth, but the top end is a bit... thin. But still, good instrument. I think it's going to become my main practice instrument. I do notice I have to get used to the spacing of the holes, but that happens any time I get a new instrument. Takes me a few days to really "feel" the instrument.
I sent an e-mail to the von Huene shop (near Boston, Massachusetts). They sell the A=440 model.
They have the 415, too. Just got one from them a few days ago.
@@sarahh.8627 Thanks!
@@sarahh.8627 But not on their web site...
@@sarahh.8627 NOT on their web site...
@@SuperHyperExtra www.vonhuene.com/p-7725-zen-on-g1-a-415-bressan-alto-recorder.aspx
Any ideas if anyone is planning to bring out a plastic Great Bass?
Yes there is, and I have one! Paetzold by Kunath Solo. It is brill. But it is only cheap compared to other Great Basses....
Blockfloetenshop.de has some in stock as well
Its like a grease
Do they make a Alto Recorder German Style?
Because this is new, I wouldn't trust ebay just yet to sell a G-1a except directly from Japan. Shipping costs from Aus or Japan are harsh. In America, Susato is the only vendor I could find online. There may be more. They sell both. www.susato.com/collections/zen-on ps. Several people do like the Zen-on 1500bn alto .. the older model.. I don't know how it compares, and the 1500bn does not come in A=415
If it was it would be a Gb recorder
Can`t you pull out the mouthpiece to lower your regular recorder to bring it to 415 hz?
I tried this.. but it would only work for a few notes and the rest would be too out of tune to be playable *shakes fist at the laws of physics*
what do you think of pulling out the mouthpiece and the small bottom part of an alto recorder?
It's really expensive for an injection molded plastic instrument. If you're going to spend hundreds, you might as well get a Bernolin recorder.
I just bought the zen-on bresson 1500bn but it has this weird extra part. A sort of loopy clip
has no use I can see
Thumbrest?
I got my zen-on alto recorder it was my 1st time to learn alto but I dont have notes for it. Can anyone suggest where I can learn all notes? Im still searching in the TH-cam for some tutorial but they're just show few notes of Alto recorder☹
How do you rate it compared to the Bernolin 415 alto?
They aren't as great, but they are also like 1/6th the price?
7:24 😂
someone knows where to buy it in america? thxs
Six months late but I just bought one from Kelischek Workshop in NC www.susato.com/collections/zen-on/products/2492-new-zen-on-f-alto-recorder-at-baroque-pitch-of-a-415hz-with-undercut-tone-holes-three-sections-double-holes
If you'd like a wooden 415 without the price tag and have an old Mollenhauer Prima alto just buy a Mollenhauer Canta alto and swap the heads!!!! I did this by mistake because I wasn't wearing my glasses!!! I'm only an amateur and play for my own amusement. ...it might not stand up to professional standard but it suits a cheapskate like me😁!!!!!!
so much condensation XD
1:38
iS THE INSTRUMENT ON THE G KEY???????? AND WHAT IT MEANS 415Hz
Hi Marco, It means that A=415hz , so that it sounds a semitone lower than a typical recorder at concert pitch. (A=440hz)
0:18 why exactly an octave? lol
Gabriel Tozarin
Sadly, it wasn't...
I was a third...
I couldn’t tell the difference, but I am listening on an iPad.
You need a new iPad!
I wonder if anyone has seen the Artinoise recorder , more info here th-cam.com/video/ENimrlu45hk/w-d-xo.html . . . still like wood but lots of possibilities with this one.