The CRAZIEST F-15 variants ever proposed
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- Developed at the peak of the Cold War, the McDonnell Douglas F-15 Eagle was designed to compete against a Soviet fighter American Defense officials believed was all but unbeatable. America’s Defense apparatus looked at the record-breaking speed and power of the emerging MiG-25 and let their imaginations run wild, but the aircraft they designed to defeat this nightmare of their own creation was somehow even wilder.
But if you think the F-15s we got are crazy... wait until you hear about the ones we didn't get.
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Even after all of this, shooting down a satellite, and flying with one wing would still be the craziest things the eagle could have done
My face when the Israelis inspire an Ace Combat character.
Then again, they have like...half of the F-15's 104-0 record.
He's just copying fat electrician it's almost as if he watched the video and copied word for word with the charismatic tooken out
@@christianlong-lo3jm this channel has been covering aircraft and airpower for a long time he's not copying anyone
@@christianlong-lo3jm tf are you going on about
@@igs_ most of his content IS original but this video of the similar script and storyline that has been made but maybe I missed spoke because all your fan boys are getting your panties in a bunch he's not copying but I think he is researching and then mimicking what video gets the most clicks at least that's what I would do but fat electrician already made this exact video with the exact information months ago
I've always said we really missed out when we didn't get the silent eagle imagine the silent eagle with the f-15exs technology you could call it the f-15sex
Nobody missed out. It only had some stealth value from directly ahead. Even slightly off to either side and it was as obvious as anything else. That's a big part of the problem for Russia's and China's stealth attempts.
The F-69
The F15 Horny Eagle
It would've given it sub 1m^2 RCS. Definitely useful, but internal payload in the FAST packs (the f-15's conformal tanks) was very limited. So you'd still need to carry external ordinance to make it do most "F-15 stuff".
Still, I am surprised that the F-15X, and especially EX, did not incorporate some Silent Eagle tech. Even with external ordinance, it's "somewhat helpful" (as seen in the Super Hornet, Rafale, and B-1B).
It's still the F-1 5EX though ;)
The F Silent Eagle was sexy as hell .
Alex, I'd love to see a second F-15 video with the even crazier ideas, as well as the F-14, F-16, F-18, F-22, and F-35. Cause, let's face it, crazy aviation engineers are geniuses.
The FB-22 was a very good missed opportunity, IMO. If navalized, it would have been a great aerial refueling aircraft.
I suppose the F-35 could easily do that job these days, if the current "stealthy drop tank" program for the F-35 can be modified slightly to carry aerial refueling equipment, but the extra capacity able to be carried (internally or externally) by the F-22 would be a welcome addition (because I can also see a further modification for the F-22 that replaces either the central or the outboard weapons bay(s) hardpoints for more fuel tanks, if you want to go all-in on the "turn it into an aerial refueling aircraft" route).
I'd like to hear more on F16 variants
F16 xl was one that should be be around. It almost doubled payload and would have been a great attack aircraft.
i'd love more f-18 videos.
Alex, you've produced another engaging video. I'm a retired test pilot, and tend to nitpick most aviation coverage in the media, but you consistently get the technical facts straight. Good work!
Previous longest range US air-to-air kill was at 132mi performed by F-14 with AIM-54. So this means the AIM-120 in its most optimal set-up actually has longer range than China's PL-15. AIM-260 will wide the gap even further
That’s an insane distance lmfao
Imagine getting deleted by someone who was chilling a country away 💀
@@joemungus6063 AIM-54 was designed to shoot like that, it was first BVR(Beyond Visual Range) missile made.
You don't have to research to know China's military equipment is junk they're just like the Soviet Union as they would always overvalue and overplay the propaganda about how great their military is but in reality it's just stolen technology made by cheap labor and knock off parts with forced soldiers and cheap pay with adequate equipment
@@niweshlekhak9646yeah, the Tomcat was kinda a one trick pony, but the AIM-54 was one helluva trick...
It's incredible how versatile the F-15 remains to be
My favorite plane ever! Used to see 'em leave Kadena all the time- beautiful!!!
That’s why it outlasted the F22
@@matthewshannon6946Messerschmitt Me 262 is my favorite because it was the first and could have changed the war if there was enough pilots fuel and parts but it did change Ariel combat forever
Damn, that inflation calculator equalizer really gives pause: the NGAD/F/A-XX don't seem so bad if they can be kept to below $250m a pop in 2024 dollars
As a retired USAF member and Flight Test Engineering Tech at EAFB, I've seen some really cool, incredible things attached to an airplane. By all means gin up some more programs concerned with modified aircraft. Excellent stories!!
EAFB, Cool place to work.
@danfreeman9079 It sure is! I was active duty there from 99 to 02. I saw and worked around the aircraft in this video every day!
As a Canidian, so...we can dream... but this is THE single best looking aircraft to date. (In my opinion)
Much love from the north and big cheers mate!
we can afford both 88 F-35s and 88 F-15 EX II if we want.
That really puts into perspective what a deal the F-35 is. Also, if the NGAD estimates are to be believed, it makes those seem like steals
I'm wondering if the NGAD and Raider staying close to budget has something to do with figuring out a lot of process issues with these high tech designs that were faced with the initial f-35 etc, f-22, etc? Or if it's a intentional effort to keep things under budget.
Let’s just take a moment to thank the MiG-25 for the movie Firefox
I never get tired of seeing footage and hearing about any of the planes you named. I was like 15 when Top Gun was released, so I'm sure you can imagine the impact it had on all of us teenage boys back then:) My heart still hurts to see footage of them destroying the Tomcats.
I would have loved to see that F-14 AST 21 proposal realized
Of course, the F-14A was Proxmired by Les Aspin when he led the fight to kill the F401 engine, the F100's larger sibling. This left the F-14A with just the TF30 engine which took considerable effort to make satisfactory for use.
The thing about the Global Strike Egal is that it’s actually becoming more viable with the development of nanosats.
Even as it was, it would have been able to launch probably a couple of 6U or 12U cubesats.
"The only fighter jet with a SPACE kill." that maybe the coolest line of all time.
Loved this video. Can't wait for the next one. I would recommend one on the 747 Air Force proposals like the CMC (cruise missile carrier) and the AAC (Airborne Aircraft Carrier). The idea for the last one could have relevance when you consider the Loyal Wingman concept. The threat axis alone would would be terrifying when you consider that there are very few bases available when going against China.
The single biggest problem with the CMC and AAC proposals for the 747 are that they use an existing commercial aircraft as the basis.
Why is this a problem? Well, now you have the same problem the germans had with Q-ships during WWII, except that unlike the WWII Germans, you don't have the "just sink everything instead" option.
In other words, the problem is that it's going to face international backlash because you're painting a bulls-eye on non-combatant aircraft because you can bet that the radar arrays for the SAM sites can't tell the difference between a military-use 747 and an airliner.
Please do put more of these together. I'm anxious to see some I've never heard of before. Being a total F-15 fanboy, I've heard of all of these, but not in this detail. I'm somewhat confident that I've seen all of them for the 16, but not much for others.
It'd be funny if the Navy unveils its F/A-XX concept next year and it's a modified F15EX with ultra-good stealth composite tiles all over the plane. I know that's not it, but it would be funny.
NGAD super f-15 EX, F/A-XX f/a-18 ultra hornet.
ahhh, but one can dream...
USAF Captain Joe B. Jordan zoomed a modified USAF/Lockheed F-104C Starfighter to a world altitude record of 103,395.5 feet above mean sea level.
A deep dive on the FB-22 variant would be great!
With the F-22, I know there was a concept for the FB-22 manta style jet, which turned the Raptor into a flying wing. I do wonder if that's what Lockheed wants to do for their NGAD design, though. The F-16 had the F-16 XL, but that was much more complicated for a fighter bomber than what the F-15E turned out to be (and which is still simpler, and far better managed, than the silly-looking Su-34).
Always like to see new episodes from ya, Alex. Your work makes life that much better for this jet geek ^_^
I’d put money that NGAD will pretty much be the FB-22, just without the vertical stabs. I’m wondering if they’ll get active flow control figured out by the time NGAD and
F/AXX come out
@@matthewnovak3095 just makes me wonder how a flying wing is supposed to be a good *fighter*. The FB-22 is a *bomber* type design.
At some point, if the future is stealth vs. stealth, won't dogfights have a *higher* chance of breaking out?
@@Ilyak1986 I think at some point active flow control would allow for a more bomberish design to behave like a fighter. NGAD is also supposed to be a small run of fighters that gets replaced more often as well, so iterative design upgrades will probably come if fighters need to be able to maneuver like they used to. I think for the near future though, having greater range and a much more powerful radar, while being able to carry a good amount of ordinance internally is the path a lot of fighters will take.
@@Ilyak1986 Technically I'd describe the FB-22 as a Delta, not a flying wing. But much like the ill-fated F-16XL, it would have lost a lot of it's air combat maneuverability for that range & payload. "Tradeoffs".
As for dogfights in a stealth v stealth arena... yeah. That's valid. Only problem is that 99.99% of the enthusiast circles (including quite a few pilots unfortunately) are stuck in a concept of dogfighting which is now obsolete. Missiles can pull anywhere from 30 to 60 G... something which would squish a pilot instantly.
- In ye olden times (cold war) you had to paint a target with radar and wait for a missile to get a direct lock...
- Then AMRAM (AIM-120A) came out, and you gained "fire & forget" capability... but you still had to paint your target to set up a launch.
- Then the F-22 was being developed, and needed a way to fire AIM-120's while the missile itself could only see the inside of the weapon's bay. Ergo 'synthetic lock', which is kind of a crude-AI extra-safe "mad dog" mode. At the same time, HOBS (high off bore-sight) missile tech was blossoming (in both the US and Russia) for IR short range missiles.
- It wasn't long before engineers realized HOBS could be taken much further. When the F-35 came out with 360 degree EOTS (note the 'T') and the AIM-120D with really advanced link-16 integration and now MADL integration... There's no safe place to be within missile range. Getting on a target's "6" doesn't mean you're winning anymore.
Even with the 150 degrees or so of HOBS from AIM-9X/R-74M, the way dogfights actually play out is drastically altered. With 360 degrees on an AIM-120D... the whole thing is deconstructed. Two F-35's having close air combat with each other would just both be doing nonstop missile evasion, with little need of actually 'pointing' at each other. There's maneuvering involved, and it can be post-merge... But if you really want to call it "dogfighting" that's kinda a subjective call. I'd argue the missiles would be dogfighting, but the planes would just be evading.
Basically, for an opponent, I'd rather have an F-16 behind me, than an F-35 in front of me. And I'd rather be in an F-35 than an F-22. That concept is still going right over the heads of many who learned their trade before this tech hit. You don't want to be anywhere within about 50 miles in front of, or 20 miles behind (energy losses doing that 180), an F-35.
Dogfighting is dead. Missiles & sensor suites stole the job. People ask "when will we have dogfighting drones?" Well, we already _do_ it's called the AIM-120D. But you need a great sensor suite to fully leverage it. 'Fat Amy' fights really, _really_ dirty. And most people are still debating what the best 'sword' is, while she's got a 4(soon 6)-shot repeating rifle.
Even at gen 4.5, the HOBS IR missiles make dogfighting incredibly messy.
Definitely want more videos in this theme. Would love for it to be a series that covers all the major, well known fighter jets. Especially the F-14!
The F15 Streak Eagle is why I became such a fan of that platform!
The F-15 Eagle has always been my favorite fighter jet.
Mr. Hollings, another tour de force. Keep them coming. Thanks.
Great content. I would love to see all the other aircraft concepts too.
Your channel is - hands down - my favorite on youtube. Thanks for everything you do, and YES PLEASE - more of the same for other platforms like the F-16 etc
"Introducing the F-15N, F-15I,...."
I worked Egress on F-15E's for 6 years. They're pretty badass
Wow retired crew chief here working F4's, F16's, F1 Mirages, A4 Skyhawks, MQ1's. Never got to work on the 15 but the concepts they came up with is mind blowing, as it goes to show our technology. But you finally answered my question on why the F15 never made it to the Navy. Thank you and keep up the great work.
Another outstanding video! I definitely like to see more on some of those less known variants of the mass produced models.
This is why I love the F-15 so much because of how versatile the F15 is and unreal records made by pilots of the F15
I love this and ALL your videos Alex!!!
Looking forward to more, F-16, F-14, F-4 you name it!
Happy New Year!
Thank you!
Absolutely fantastic video thanks Alex, I for one would like to see more videos like this one keep up the fantastic work.
I love this type of content. I've always been interested in what the brains could come up with. I'd have to say the F-15 active was always my favorite in this list. I actually learned about it in one of the Ace combat games. I didn't even know it was a real thing until I did some research of my own into the plane. So yes, keep more of this type of content coming. I'm hoping at some point you can catch me off guard with some program I was unaware of. I'm quite knowledgeable on the subject of x-planes and things of that nature. I recently took a trip to the Dayton Air Force museum and finally got to see a lot of those x-planes in person. I'd have to say one of my favorites was the only surviving XB-70.
Great Alex. Please put more together. Thanks
Please do put more of these videos together. It’s a very interesting topic. Thanks Alex
Here's another vote for more videos like this... The only person that I've seen that meets or exceeds the level of detail and perspective you provide on procurement and development is Perun and he takes an hour to to do it...
I'm Alex Hollings and this is airpower!
Man, you folks put out some fascinating stuff! Thanks!! Most certainly produce the other videos, they're great!!
4:07 F-15N Sea Eagle (navalized F-15)
7:36 F-15 S/MTD/ACTIVE (STOL thrust vectoring/canard technology demonstrator)
10:07 F-15GSE Global Strike Eagle (airborne ICBM/satellite launcher)
15:09 F-15 PMHT (NASA AIM-54 Phoenix carrier demonstrator)
Happy New Year Alex and the team at Sandboxx.
Keep these videos coming with the variants of these classic fighters.
YES! Do more videos like this one! We love them all!
Thank you for another engaging and informational video.
Great video Alex - yes, please, do cover the alternative proposals for F16, F14 and F22!
great video Alex !! Yes - please deliver more content on variations of other fighters from the US inventory - F-16, F-14, F-4 - etc...
That was a good one Alex. Thanks
Great video. I'm looking forward for more of this kind.
Another fantastic video, thanks Alex! I'd love to see one on the C-130 and how it became a gunship and other variants, or something on rapid dragon!
Great video!!!! More like this would be awesome!!
Great video! Loved it! ❤
Yes, please do more videos like this. When you tell the stories behind these programs, you bring us oft-needed reminders that the people making decisions about them aren't idiots, even if they turn out to be wrong sometimes.
100% Alex! Keep them coming!!!
Great video. Would love more of these
Keep things coming, everything you put out on the interweb is AMAZING
This was awesome. Definitely do the rest of these machines!
Love the content my dude! Keep these types of videos coming.
outstanding! just what I needed!! Wonderful work!
An excellent video as usual. Thanks!
Awesome video Alex. Thank you for all the work you put into them.
Happy New Year bud.
Great and informative presentation, Alex. Yes please, to more info on the F 16, F 22 and any other projects intended to enhance the capabilities of existing aircraft.
Awesome video. Thank you for your work.
Thank you Alex, fantastic info 👍
Love these kinds of videos Alex.
Yes ,please do more of these!!
Great video Alex!!!
I would very much appreciate more videos like this, and also one on the Eagle that scored the space kill.
Loves these type of videos!
Awesome video, as always!
Great video mate..your enthusiasm is awsome …
Great video, I always look forward to your content.
Love these types of videos! 👍
Another great video, the F-14 variants would be outstanding.. thx for the work Alex🇺🇸👊🏼
Great reporting purformance !!!
Of course we would love to hear about all the iterations you mentioned here.. Just your mentioning it got my curiosity going on so many levels!
Alex, I love this content. Keep it coming!!!
Love these kinds of videos!
YES! Would love to see more on different variants of other jets. Thank you for your research!
This was awesome! Hell yeah I want to see more videos about other crazy cool ideas. 😀
Great video again and yes we want more.
Keep these types of videos coming!!!
Make more like this one - great concept, great video!
Houston we have a problem,one of our F15s has gone into orbit. LOL
Loved this episode!!!!
Yes!! I would like to see more of these variant videos. F-16, F-18, and others, even old aircraft with multiple variants.
Great episode. Would love to hear about all the variations that never came to be for all jets, tanks, apc, etc…
The F-15 was one of my favorite posters. My fav was my F-4 poster, still have it 20+ years later
Outstanding info. Thank you
Yes, Alex! Bring on the F16, F14 variants!! 👍👍
Definitely would like to hear more about the other aircrafts. Looking forward to those videos
Definitely more of this!
Yes I thoroughly enjoyed these videos and hope for more especially the modifications and variations of aircraft. Thanks
LOVE the crazy proposal vids! Can't think of anything I'd rather see!
Awesome stuff mate
Yes, I would love to have more of this type content from you!
Yes please, more of the varient videos please, thank you for your hard work
I will watch any AirPower video you put out. Thank you for your hard work. Love your channel.
Appreciate the report, good content. And appreciate the website written article as well.
Hell yea def do more of these this was awesome
Excellent video any chance of a video on the variants of the F4 Phantom during its long service career 😮.
Kind Regards
Sean
Outstanding, thank you
Love these kinds of videos