F/A-18C Hornet Vs F-15C Eagle | DOGFIGHT | Digital Combat Simulator | DCS |
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On this channel we like to do a lot of dogfighting most videos are some sort of dogfight between 2 different aircraft as we explore their different capabilities. From time to time I like to dabble in Virtual Reality, I think VR is a great new technology and I love to show that stuff off for the channel from time to time.
If you enjoy war thunder or Microsoft flight simulator 2020 or even dogfighting in Battlefield 2042, consider getting yourself into Digital Combat Simulator by Eagle Dynamics, the Combat side of Aviation with the BVR and Dogfights really provides a different and interesting perspective on aviation. You can fly all kinds of combat aircraft including the F-16, F-15, F-14, JF-17, Su-27, Mig-29, Mirage and the F-18 Hornet along with many other aircraft and helicopters like the Ka-50 and Mi-8.
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Having trouble viewing the video, I’m not the only one 😕
@@daviddoyle982 same bro
Same
Stuck around
Made it through the final round. Keep 'em coming.
What was last thing that went through GW's mind in the first round? 20mm rounds
😂😂😂
🤣
Well played. 😂
Too soon? Nah…
I find it amusing that when someone settles GS's account with the gun, 50% of the time he gets turned into red goo...
But when he (more often than not) wins with the gun... his opponent figures out he's had it, pulls the chicken handle and survives.
Why does GS get KIA with the gun so often?
Still here at 11:38 and I’m not going anywhere. I’m glad I found this channel. As someone with a long-standing interest in military aviation and ACM this is super cool
me too
Amazing attention to detail that a plane passing that close under you activates the check gear warning.
You can troll the 18 and the 14 (maybe any plane with Radar Altimeter warnings but I know those 2 for sure) by passing within 200 ft of them. It'll trigger their extra low altitude warning if they set it up and if they aren't really paying attention or are heads down they'll give some funny reactions. lol
eh, they're probably using raycasting to detect alt, so that attention to detail is actually just a side effect
There is a bigger story behind the F-15 than the plane, but the guys that pushed for its design. It was rejected many times at first, or was refused funding until an actual pilot (I think) came into the program. We almost never had the F-15.
Watched all of it!
If you are taking requests (and I realize the logistics of this are difficult) but package missions would be fun to watch. Multi-plane defenders against a strike package with a designated strike aircraft and designated planes to defend them.
Yeah same, I was there to the conclusion of round four. I don't recall ever quitting one of your videos early?
That would be awesome
Stuck around for sure......F15 vs F18 is a hell of a fight. It really comes down to experience and knowing your losing queues. I loved every second of this video. Thanks!
cues not queues
It would be interesting to see how 2v2 matches might change the dynamics of dogfights. For example, would a pair of 18's have fared better vs a pair of 15's, or would it have largely been the same?
Imagine one of thoae cinematic 17v17 matches but guns only 😳
BVR F-15s can pick up bandits at 50-70 miles depending on parameters and the F/A-18s radar can about 40-50 max.
F-15 can go higher and faster and sees further than the F/A-18.
It's exactly the engagement the F-15 was built for.
If AWACS is in play, the F-18's datalink could possibly be enough of an advantage to maybe change the outcome.
@@ImperiumLibertas current radar can pick up at well over 100. actual engagement is of course much shorter, really equal for both aircraft since all the weaponry is shared.
@@chadwarden593 bvr meaning?
Always stick around for the whole videos with these. But yeah really lived seeing both sides of this scenario instead of just one plane. Like sometimes it's fun seeing how much one aircraft can just dominate the other, but it's always really cool seeing the decision making on both sides and how knowing the capabilities of each aircraft can make such a difference
I like to see this switching seats so we can see how pilot skill affects the outcome of the fight.
Seconded.
Thirdended
Fourthed.
Fifthed
Sixethed
I stayed all the way through the vid like I almost always do. Love engagements like this with any mix of F-14, 15, 16, 18 versus each other. Thanks for all the great content! I’ve watched sooooo many of your videos!
the eagle's 104 kills to 0 loses is not to be underestimated
It is in my eyes. It mainly went against much inferior aircraft and pilots. I mean the Su-27 havent been shot down in air to air engagements as well.
@@Mike_Romeo two SU-27s have been lost to Ukrainian Mig-29s, and 3 more to US made stingers, not counting airstrikes on airfrields
@@saltyfloridaman7163 Are there any confirmed sources for that MiG kills ?
@@noidontthinksolol please show me
@mikeromeo9652 those pilots were experienced and successful in combat, that certainly gave them an edge going into the fight with the US Air Force.
Real world. In 1992 above Kunsan AB Korea I observed an F-15C and an F-18C both flown by Wing Commanders go one on one. Dog fight started above 20, 000 feet and stayed inside the perimeter of the base. From the start the F-15 was on the F-18s tail and stayed there till they were down to tree top level. The dog fight lasted over 20 minutes and at no time could the F-18 come even close to getting away from the F-15. As the fight progressed you could see the F-18 piolet was getting desperate and frustrated. The f-18 airframe just isn't that nimble. An F-16 really tears them up. Fantastic avionics on the F-18 though.
Man, once I start your videos, i GOTTA finish them. No bailing out in the middle of a dog fight. Awesome content.
GS: I'm curious to know who is still watching.
Us: My man, it is all of us.
Stuck around for the whole video. Awesome to see how each fighter has a set of advantages and disadvantages.
F-15 is such a beast. Still relevant 50 years on, can kill you BVR, rate fight, knife fight etc…. Only downside now is that it has the radar cross section of a barn. AIM-260 will probably keep it going for while though.
It's also worth mentioning that the F-15 was NOT considered for HAVE GLASS V signature reduction measures - only the F-16, F-22 and F-35. My theory is that it's part of the F-15's arsenal to be that visible - "Yes, you see me. You're not going to be able to do anything with it."
You should do the US vs Russia thing again but with the rule that you can't choose the same jet twice so it's more interesting.
Do like 5 or 6 rounds so you can have different engagements.
Also make it bandit unknown so you have to choose your jet carefully.
i-16 enters the round. :D
I truly admire your determination.
Very determined, seems interesting
I love longer videos like these, especially when the two planes are so closely matched (it seems) in a dog fight.
And as the video demonstrates, they're not super closely matched. F 15 is a heavy fighter, with a kid of 104-0 while the f 18 is a multi role plane. Not really surprised to see the f 18 lose honestly.
That ‘check gear’ xD
F-15 being huge and 18 being used to carrier landings, I could almost see it happen
"Come, little bug! Ride upon my back. We must go protect The Freedom. SKRAAWWW!"
~ F-15, probably
@@JETZcorp It would be even better if it were a Tomcat. I could see the Hornet hooking onto the "tennis court" ,jumping onto it's back and screaming, "Take me home daddy, I'm scared!".... Poor little Hornets rode on the shoulders of giants for so long that once the giants were gone, they realized they could barely walk - let alone run- on their own. ... and so they settled on just cartwheeling around instead..
@JETZcorp It would be even better if it were a Tomcat. I could see the Hornet hooking onto the "tennis court" ,jumping onto it's back and screaming, "Take me home daddy, I'm scared!".... Poor little Hornets rode on the shoulders of giants for so long that once the giants were gone, they realized they could barely walk - let alone run- on their own. ... and so they settled on just cartwheeling around instead..
@@Doc_- the tomcat cartwheeled horizontally pretty often too, it probably wasn't a good thing though
@@Doc_- I think you under estimate how good the super hornet is
you can really see in some of the gun shots how the small hud of the dcs f-15C kinda limits you in terms of getting the pipper on target easily cause there is basicly no time between the pipper coming on screen and you needing to shot. Lucky for us, the Strike Eagle has a bigger Hud :) god im so hyped for strike eagle.
Both are great airplanes. But I find myself always pulling for the F15, unless there was an F14 TomCat in the fight.
The f15 definitely has a soft spot in my heart.
Tomcats for LIFE!
I worked on F18’s and being tall cannot say how many flap or landing gear stabs I’ve received from Hornets. First time around a Eagle was gobsmacked how tall it was. I could walk upright under its wing.
@@Man0War Same here was born in 87 all I ever wanted to do was get into the Air Force Academy in Colorado Springs was determined to be an F-15 Pilot but didn’t work out that way I got accepted and was well on my way and my back gave out on me :( have had many surgeries since then. Just wasn’t meant to be I guess. Man do I love the F-15 though.
By the way my wife & I share a profile. lol I’m Blake. My wife said “they’re gonna think it’s me that commented that.” 😂
Amazing fights, watched all the way through. The F-15 is such a amazing machine to this day. I cant imagine what it must have been like when it arrived on the scene.
Sad to see the hornet lose so much in this video. I always root for the hornet, mostly because my dad flew them in the US marines. It's such a cool aircraft.
Guess you could blame the pilot 🤷😂 jkjk
Air Force baby!
@@bastadimasta My dad calls them the "chair force" XD. He has reason for it though, having been in the Marines.
@@danielcmasters I suppose so.
My uncle flew them in the marines too! And my dads friend. My dad flew the CH-46 (helicopters are better!) but ultimately I expected the F-15 to destroy the hornet
Sounding off as one of those who sticks around till the end of your vids! Always had an interest in aviation and your vids honestly make me wanna get a PC to get into DCS. Looks like such a fun experience. That F15 is definitely a favorite fighter, it’s got that perfect mix of beauty, elegance and lethality
I like it when you switch up the aircraft in these fights
Also, yeah I almost always watch till the end of these.
Me too.
Almost?
Fun Video. But what caught my eye immediately, was the first turn over Anderson North then over Anderson AFB. I have seen that view a lot in my flying experience. Very cool to see familiar landmarks during all the twisties. Great SA builder. keep up the fun videos. I really enjoy them.
I remember as a kid in the 70s the F15s at Eglin AFB!!! My Dad RIP used to take me to the Airfield and watch them doing touch n go's.
Definitely stuck to the bitter end... for the poor Hornet. It is very enjoyable to watch your dogfighting, especially when you explain the strategies and tactics that you're doing--and the ones the bandit is going to use right before he uses them. You do a very good job explaining the terms you use, but I somehow missed the exact definition of 'stacking'. Thanks and keep it up.
The Hornet is inferior, but not by that much! I think both of them could have flown better. They made a lot of mistakes.
Classic!! "At this moment he Knew he " Keep up the Great work
Grew up near Luke AFB. I can still remember a kid jumping up n down on the school bus yelling, "The F-15s are coming!" after they announced Luke would be the/a training base for them. Biking out to the end of the runway they were so cool looking compared to the F-4s and F-104s. Very cool they`re still dealing.
Always stick around for the full video, you can't make them too long. Awesome stuff as always.
High thrust to weight and great nose authority vs Borderline thrust vectored nose authority, i sure love to see these kinds of fights!
I’ve always been an F-15 fan. Great to see it get a chance to show its superiority over the F-18 in a dominant fashion.
Not sure it is dominant though. That thrust to weight ratio makes the difference in the margin of error however. Hornet has to be absolutely perfect.
I think it's a case of GS dominance. What ever GS flies will win, almost every time except when he gets shot in the face..
Its the superior fighter here.
Really enjoy this. Love seeing the old F-14 and F-15 still showing their mettle.
I stuck around for the whole show, loved it! if you want requests it would be nice to have a video explaining the how the fighters and awacs work together, while killing a ridiculous number of enemies.
Love the content and always enjoy the longer videos! Then again, I'll also watch Spudknockers 1 hour+ long videos straight through. I also truly enjoy how you explain everything as it happens. It's actually made me a better pilot in DCS. Keep up the great work
I've watched enough of GS's videos to know that when the title says "X plane vs Y plane" really what he means is "Let me show you its not the plane, it's the pilot using X and Y airframe" lol
I've learned so much watching your videos. I started watching your videos before I even had a PC and now that I have my whole setup I'm finally able to try the things I've been seeing for years. Thank you for the great content and keep up the great work man! :)
Such a good matchup. And when GS said "better lift vector placement might have won that for him", you seriously realise the knowledge/skills on show here.
@@potatosuc4950 nope
That car driving by at the end was close enough to give Sidewalk a lift home. Really enjoyed swapping seats, I know you can't always make it happen bc everyone needs the same modules.
Always stick around for the late rounds
Love the longer videos. It's great to see you give eachother chances to even the score. Also great when you're teaching and smacking hum on the wrist but you do it politely and in a friendly manner. Just another reason I love your channel
Still there in the 4th round... what a great dogfight that was
Stuck around for all the fights, haven’t seen the F-15 va F-18 BFM dogfight yet, so I watched it all!
Hey Growling Sidewinder, I would love to see some more cinematic shots of you just flying around the most beautiful maps in your opinion with a variety of planes. Just doing some air tricks, low level passes and dives. :)
Precision on those 2 F-18 splashes. Sawed off the wing, so hard to control when you got them in the hub, you really gotta pick a plane and hoping the aircraft is in that line
15's can fly with 1 wing ;)
Where’s the video?
Round 4 Still here. Love the longer fights. Great stuff. Thanks.
I watch every single clip you do. Unfortunately i don´t have VR and i can´t be good in the sim. Learning a lot from you, keep up with it please. :)
You could try TrackIR or similar head-tracking alternatives. It's cheaper than VR and you get the clarity of a monitor. I tried VR but sent it back.
@@JETZcorp i recently tried Oculus and compared to what i knew, my performance improved only because i was able to move my head naturally. I have a good specs, i wonder if time spent in the sim is the only barrier. Am i the only one thinking you can't dogfight on a flat screen. 😋
Of course I watch the whole video. I enjoy these so much. They are informative, interesting, exciting and can be funny as hell when you accidentally get smoked which you always take in stride.
This surprised me. I was assuming the F-15 would win easily. Sounds like it’s still a better dogfighted but it’s not so dominant that it’s completely one-sided.
Does the F-18E have similar results?
The F-18 is a remarkably maneuverable aircraft. Remember, it was based on the YF-17, which competed against the YF-16 for the contract that would produce the Viper. So it's got a lot of the same energy-maneuverability theory behind it. And it was designed from the start with multirole capability, so it didn't suffer the same kind of slow degradation of dogfighting performance that the F-16 did.
The F/A-18 is deadly if encountered in its ideal arena: low altitude and low speed. Even against an F-16 when comes to high alpha capability. Current F/A-18E seems slightly less agile, with more emphasis on range, payload, avionics. But still dangerous. I've always been afraid of the Hornet, all considered.
That said, the F-15 is overall superior in many aspects. Obviously is a far superior BVR platform, but even in the dogfight, if the pilot keep attention and mantain the clash in the high energy arena (higher speeds and altitudes, exploiting the vertical thanks to its phenomenal t/w ratio), it has the upper hand.
@@andreabindolini7452 The Super Hornet is effectively a different aircraft, so I'm not sure how it would perform. But there's one thing I do know: it would still be a mistake for it to go vertical with a F-15. There's some things you just don't do. XD
The F-15 just slamming the rudders to one side to slot in behind, so good
I, for one, watch all the rounds. Good stuff. Here's a question. In cases of close encounters, are jet wash and turbulence simulated? Can they affect your flight in the simulator?
I watch your full vids GS. You usually have a good closing summary that’s worth it IMO.
ooo new video
For some reason it’s not letting me watch the video
Love your ACM videos. They’re a lot of fun to watch.
this outcome makes sense as the F-15 is designed to be a pure air superiority fighter and has greater thrust to weight ratio. F-18s are more multirole - both are dangerous machines.
Stuck around to the end GS. Nice vids as usual keep em coming.
Your video length is always in the goldilocks zone as far as I'm concerned.... Great variety of aircraft ....Please keep up the great work.
I'm still here. Lol
That was one of the best BFM videos you've done. Very tense the whole time. Great flying by both. Love the commentary about each aircraft's strengths and weaknesses. I thought it was very interesting the whole time start to finish.
Stayed to the end. Fantastic fights as always. I love to see the dissimilar engagements between two competent, but very different platforms.
The guy in that minivan in the last fight must have had his life flash before his eyes. He sees an F-15 super fast over his head then next thing he knows an on fire F/A-18 is crashing down next to him.
I always stick around don't want to potentially miss the infamous:
"I've got this"
THWACK
KILLED IN ACTION
Watched all four rounds. Great contact. Thanks for the good work.
Imagine being that NPC at 14:10, just casually driving to your NPC job when a hornet crashes in front of you 😆
That was hilarious at 14:12 when the Hornet crashed by the side of the road while a car drives by.
I watch every video to the end GS, I cant get enough. Your quality and the learning i get from you is so awesome. Thankyou for the amazing content you always deliver. I don't even play DCS(yet) and still watch them everyday
I watch your videos all the way through.
Round 2 was pretty sick! Loved that you guys traded blows lol.
In that last round, the guy in the white car right at the end is gonna have a helluva story to tell when he gets to the office.......after he changes his shorts, of course.
Watched all the way till the end.
Here's one idea for a dogfight: F-16 vs. Gripen. You did one, but before adjustments to F-16s flight model. The question now would be - how long could Gripen survive before having its a$$ handed over by an F-16? Probably keeping it once circle would help. Also, to spice things up a little, start at a BVR where I think Gripen has a fighting chance.
I watch all the videos til the end of gameplay, I sometimes bail when it gets to the tactical debrief. Great Channel btw!
That F-18 crashed all of 10 feet from somebody's car as they were driving down the road. I bet that driver needed a new pair of pants.
Really loving your videos man, I feel like I could watch them all day long. I'm going to be sad when I run out of videos!
Thanks man appreciate you
The last Fight is often the best when each pilot has learned the others tricks 🤙
Still here! Actually I watch on my 85 inch 4K tv cus it has a better picture than my computer but I can't comment from the youtube app on the tv. Love the long ones, the short ones, and all of them in-between! Keep'em coming
I always stay to the end. That's the only way to make sure you see the end credits scene previewing the next fight.
I'm here for round 4!!! Hell, I'd be here for round 8 if you did. Can't get enough. Awesome as usual.
That beginning of the first match screams “Good morning aviators”
Final Hornet kill looked like the stricken aircraft just about took out a FedEx truck on the road. (Yes, I watched all the way through...lol)
I stick around for the entire videos. I would love to see a 45 min bandit unknown bar and dogfight mix!
One funny thing about that F-15C, is that is has MO on the vertical stabilizer, meaning it is from Mountain Home Air Force Base in Mountain Home Idaho (where I live). and the streak is indicating that it is the 390th Bolt Tiger, which they fly the F-15E strike eagle. so I thought that was funny that the squadron was on a F-15C instead of F-15E.
Hung around for all four fights. I really enjoy your channel.
Still here... Love this type of content! Thank you so much for all the videos!
It appeared that the Hornet was definitely at the disadvantage when you were flying the F15. Lol
Stuck through the last round. I appreciate the long videos.
"The fact that he's above me like this is definitely not, because they do this, you see this exact thing he's doing? This is what they do. God I hate when they do this"
-GS, 2022 when the F-15 was doing this
Always stick around (not always for tacview, but usually). Also I crack up picturing you sending out the play-by-play commentary on the radios and your opponents just freaking out: "OMG it's DJ Death! Quick let me tighten down and..." "Now you see this is the last thing you want to do in this situation *brrrrrrt*
Someone once said that every F-15 pilot goes up there knowing the F-15 has never been defeated in air combat and they'll be damned if they're the first.
I loved the entire video! Amazing
As soon as Growling starts talking about pointing the nose its a 20mm to the head lol great content as always man keep it coming
1:43 flashbacks to JF-17 vs F-15 Goat Scream death. The F-15 might not be able to Cobra, but that thing is a post-stall monster in the right hands.
Am still here at the sound off. Love these BFM gunfights at close quarters
man i would love to see a 2v2, see how the fights turn out when its not just a 1v1 but you have to keep the other bandit in mind while communicating with your team mate
my dad flew the F-15C for years down in Eglin. Absolute peak fighter
Hell yeah, was going to stick around for this- the interesting fights are often in the comments, love that you went ahead and put some ideas to the test!
Yeah I definitely stick around for the full show. Glad I did because in that last fight I was all about _Tighten down Hornet, tighten that shit DOWN then jink outta plane!_
Lol I had it exactly backward, so I learned something I'd have missed had I left the show early🤟🤜💥🤛
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"Honey, you won't believe what I saw on the drive home." 14:10
Great vid. Watched all four rounds, always an eagle fan. So many great gunshot opportunities in that first eagle round, guy kept escaping by the seat of his pants
3:52 "I don't think he can get the nose up."
1.17:1 thrust-to-weight ratio: "think again"
I stayed for the whole video. Nicely done!