3 mins 18 seconds is the highscore to beat! How fast did you SMASH the TITAN? Oh and which other devs should we invite to take part in this sort of challenge?
I still think everyone should be able to react to the final game and contribute their thoughts about the game. It would add a little extra to the video
Yes! The end feels rushed, it would be nice to get reactions from those involved and see what their first experience is like playing through the finished product.
I think the instructions to the devs should allow for a 20-30 minute window to hop in the game and get a sense of it before the 4 hour window starts, this way they are developing for 4 hours and not spending some of that time just trying to figure out what it is.
Tbf it seemed like he was the most comfortable working in 3d and stuff like the movement script wasnt written on the spot. Very impressive nonetheless he definitely did a great job
To be fair that's kind of what you wanna be doing regardless: keep all of your scripts from all projects somewhere to use them in later projects. And to be honest I still don't do that, I have literally 24 different movementcontrollers for 3d alone, let alone 2d.. This video showed the power of that a little bit.
@@-Seek-17is impresive in the tecnical aspect after all it did all in 4 hours in the aspect of working on a bigger project with what the other did he is garbage
Oh yeah, imagine a game takes a total time of a week or so to complete, everyone gets 3 rounds of the game, everytime seeing what everybody else did. I think that would also be fun.
I'm really hope they don't his. I'd love to see the finished project above a 5 minute type game. At the very least, I would like to see how much it would change.
i would hate to see my work get removed by another dev and probably end up removing their stuff in retaliation. this is probably how that suggestion would turn out. they should be given more time especially since you can waste a lot of time bug fixing other peoples work and contributing almost nothing. which seems to happen every one of these dev challenges.
@@darkshadowsx5949 That or its a rule that you do not remove any core aspects of the game. It should always be refine, refine, refine. Thats the only way you are going to up the quality.
@@iceman10129 I mean tbh no core aspects were really removed, it just went from a slow passive defense progression to a proactive combat progression, he didn't keep everything the first and second dev had but he still kept some elements, the building mechanic was still there, the resource mechanic was still there, he gave a reason for the blood to exist, he improved on the combat mechanic. he didn't really do anything that made the game less fun and arguably just added things that turned the game from something you play once and think its alright to a game that you might play a couple times trying to get a better score.
I'm so happy to see Ponty in this video. I've been watching him for about 2 years now and seeing him teaming up with everyone to work on this game is just amazing.
I definitely liked the game when the goal was research. It gave an incentive to place walls and it made towers unique. I like the grinders and blood systems, but I think that the titan is just not as fun as the original more endless approach.
honestly though it could've been worked upon like in the game you the player are clearly pretty large, similar to the titan, so someone might've been able to build upon this by making a mini story where you the player are a friendly giant that has decided to help people by helping with the construction of the town, however then the this much more sadistic giant calling himself titan came along and wants to kill the villagers and you the player are trying to stop him, HOWEVER TARODEV REMOVED THE HOUSES FROM THE GAME so none of the future devs had any idea of what was built before tarodev because it was removed instead of being left in to, hopefully, inspire someone else to build upon it
@@rocketblaster8701in all fairness, the devs before him made it seem as if you could only have 1 house which was doing research, therefore it goes from a game where you build a town and defend it to a game where you have one house you wall in and surround with towers
This reminds me of improv - The key element of which is to always say "Yes, and -" so that you can continue to build off a scene. In improv you never want to say no to an idea. But TaroDev said no to a few key elements the other developers added... which would be fine if it were his own project but for a collab like this shouldn't have happened. For as great of a developer as I am sure he is... erasing others work shows a lack of adaptability and inefficiency within a team dynamic
The problem is there wasn't much united vision before Taro and was too passive. No end point as research had no point for the player. No conflict no game no fun. All games makes conflict against something. Lona brought about a too aimless feature for others to follow. I would've liked to know what would be the end product would be but without Taro game would lack too much.
This is the only comment with constructive criticism that’s crazy it’s not just saying “taro bad! he did bad!” It’s actually giving advice to him instead of just saying he did something wrong I thank you good sir
I think the "Yes, and" element should be integral to this series. With too much freedom, a bad apple can just hop in, mess everything up, and pass it along. But if you can only add new things, replace things that really need it (like a placeholder asset), or fix bugs in the codes, it would make everyone think a little harder about what it is that they want to add if they cannot directly remove things. Maybe it's a bit too restrictive, but I just came up with this in two minutes so take it with a grain of salt
Yeah I don’t know why people are praising him from changing it to a generic boss game. This reminds me of the horror game they were making and that developer at the end literally changed everything to make it a boss shooter.
Weird, everyone seems to be praising what Tarodev did, but he completely changed the game and undid alot of work that almost everyone before him did - the stone and gold became almost entirely pointless, and it lost all creativity and replayability and just became a super simple boss speedrun...
I was thinking this too, the only buildings that matter are the grinder and titan destroyer, the rest are useless now. This was just extremely selfish imo and it looks like there is now a lot less to do, all cuz Tarodev wanted a fast paced game. Now the gameplay actually looked boring, watching this guy just run around and shoot enemies into the sky.
@@bruhmomentum9560 He was invited again and he did great actually. He took the absolutely brutal criticism of everyone here very well and learned from it.
I love this Video concept. I think it would be cool if you lenghten this process and give every dev 2 times the Chance to polish like : first dev - 2 - 3 -4 - 5 -6 - first again - 2 - 3 -4 - 5 -6.
The problem with no communication is that you have an idea, but when the 5th dev came in, he changed the game to be more about grinding blood and defeating titans. The original game was more about tower defense and protecting a village. There was no balance, and so much was scraped. Still amazing at the end. However, it would be better if it kept more aspects of the tower defense.
I know it would need a lot of people, but it would be fun to see this project become like a tree, where after each dev finishes two different devs continue, and then we can see how different each branch became
For Christmas you should do a white elephant kind of thing where each dev makes a demo for a game. Then everyone gives a short description of their demo, then you choose which game you want to code on. And at the end everyone gives their game to someone else to keep.
It was kind of a bummer when the game was going in one direction, but that one guy entirely changed all of the goals and the point of the game. What happened to researching and protecting your base? If I had been one of the people who worked on the game before he got to it, I would've been pretty disappointed to have my stuff overrided like that It was a really cool game in the end though.
Simpler the idea easier to make it is. Idea too complicated without a clear vision is trash in making. Look up people who give their starting as game dev bios , almost everyone of them tells this "Take simple easy to make stuff then build upon the foundation you have done if it has become too unfun then change it up. Portal is about portals. Half life is about fps , momentum, puzzle solving. Sonic is about speed, exploration, momentum, platforming. Tower defence genre is protecting something from waves of enemies. Rarely does a complicated game ever rise to be a good game. So as everyone has said at some point "keep it simple, don't overcopmlicate it"
@@temkin9298 To be fair it wasn't particularly complicated before his modifications. The only thing he did was modify the goal from filling up a bar to reducing a bar. I definitely think for the amount of time they had though he took the better direction. It's way easier to grasp killing the big boss than it is to research a solution to monsters. It's almost like humans evolved in a world where stabbing the giant thing causing you problems is the more natural solution.
Some changes that would make this better: - Increase the time it takes for the Titan to spawn - Bring back the research meter - The blood harvester and canons cannot be built until research is at 100%
You should let people vote on what devs they want to re=appear. There have been a couple devs who really took a project to the next level, and I'd love to see them stacked on one another
I love this format of video so much - it is so inspiring to see how quickly it can evolve from one person to the next. If you could persuade Thomas Brush to take part in one that would be fab
Hi, I haven’t seen any of ur Videos in a while, but I just wanted to say thank you. Your probably the reason why I got really into coding like 3-4 years ago, when I was 16. Now I’m 19 and study CS. Time flys by pretty fast.
I just want to say the character Lana created looked really nice. But it looked freaking amazing once they made it into the titan character. Whoever did the animations were really on point.
Incredible, everyone did very good this time around and the speedrun aspect was a smart final touch. I read a comment asking about putting other devs reactions to the final product in and i 100% agree (if they have the spare time of course). I’m sure everyone would agree a longer video is worth it but even if you wanted to a specific duration, you’re an amazing editor and that shouldn’t be a problem :)
Speedrun Guide: 1. Go mine materials for your first building which is must be Grinder. You want the grinder first cuz there is some trick: Because trigger collider was extended you can place grinder slightly below in front of enemy spawn point. That allows you forget about shooting enemies, cuz they gotta be spawning nearby the grinder and instantly get into it. 2. Now when you don't need to worry about Blood farming go obtain another materials and place 3 shooting towers in a triangle setup and fill all 3 with blood (you'll manage to do this even before the boss will arrive) 3. Move around the boss and fill towers with your free blood that you got from abusing the big trigger collider bug described above.
All the devs really improved on and tweaked previous devs’ contributions, while adding a little of their own. They kept each others ideas and created a product that was the culmination of all of them. Except Tarodev. He was like “nah let’s change everything these people have already done and rework the entire premise of the game (removing houses and research, making walls useless) cause we need BLOOD”
Too little change if you see what they did as improving slightly Taro at least changed the game and built enough that it can be considered a game. If the ones before built enough I would say yes Taro f-bombed the premise. One dev only changed ui in 4 hrs! I would've wanted them to focus on workable improvements. Houses could help teching up to unlock necessary things. Trees perhaps would slow the enemies down but given that game looks fps tower defence with no action it is hardly workable. It is hard making games and usually games start with many ideas clashing and what is considered best ones gets selected for improvement and implementation. With not much time left with no tangible premise Taro at least down greaded the premise to serve something in the end. Bad games cling to much to unachievable or too unfun ideas and achive less than half, best games refine and redefine themselves through planing and experimenting, hlf2 leak is unrecognizable to released one. If you want a quick well implemented game you have a basic premise, 70%(no research) of all games are war or fight games because it is the most simplest conflict there is. Resource management &tower defence game with the end condition of research needs too much dev timea and coordination. 24 hrs game jams are usually with a clean vision and understanding without code reading taking too much time. That's why Tero gets praised.
It's a shame the research was scrapped. What would have been cool is if the research bar wasn't to win the game but to unlock the Grinder and Blood Tower. So you had to build a small village to get the research done quickly. Defend it. Have it large enough to research before the boss spawns. If the boss spawns 1st, it will likely wreck your town preventing you from winning. However if your research is done you can defeat them in the way added. It's a shame that a whole bunch of objects and concepts were removed in a challenge about adding things and building upon other peoples work. Did 6 developers really make the game if a lot of what they spent time on was completely axed by another developer? I mean they definitely worked on it and made improvements but the impact they had in game was removed.
This is cool. I didnt realise i could go into fullscreen until titan had spawned. Thus not being able to WSDA either. So only moving through quick dash. Solid game! And thanks for allowing us to play it.
love how tarodev legit went in there said "hey this is cool, Lets just add some blood, defeat the whole perpous of the game and put almost all of everybody elses work in the garbage!".
@benzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzs Well, some of the developers playtest to see what direction the game is going in and then build on that. They also try to keep the art style consistent Others just ignore the work of the other devs, make their own thing often completely changing what the game is about. Some of them also just add use their own art style everywhere even if it doesn't fit with the game Like with the horror game all the devs built on each others work and the game had a clearly defined distinct art style. Then the last dev added a big boss, removed most of the gameplay the other devs had made and made it a basic shooter. He also threw out all of the written story then slapped the blackthornprod art style on everything It was such a 180° they had to put fake early version of the boss (that never existed before the last dev) to make it seem like it fit
@@gserendipity sure no official rules were broken, as there were none. He was being a dick by ignoring the game concept and basically just did what he felt like. If you want to make your own game that’s fine, but then don’t pretend to play this game of making a game *together*. I think that detracts from the video.
@@gserendipity lol, no. But I came here to watch how people creatively build on each other’s work, instead of you know, what Tarodev did. Also, what is “fun” is subjective, and unlike you, I understand that. What tarodev did was missing the point of the challenge (part of the challenge is cooperation without communication).
i think the video need to have a meet up gathering talk at the end of the video. It would be very entertaining to see how devs talk to one another on the game they co-op-ly created.
A little sad that some are unable to add to the idea without changing it completely. Taro basically erased all the work of previous two devs. Very uncool.
@@kokujins6931There already was purpose. You were supposed to build research stations and defend them from pillagers until your research maxed out. Taro completely threw all of that out the window. The final product ended up being not even close to the intention of the other devs
@@Blackthornprod really good idea I loved this game and I can’t wait to see what else you can come up with! I’m also thinking about doing a pass the game challenge with my friends because of your videos, thanks for the inspiration!
Kinda sucks that Tarodev just got rid of everyone else's work and made his own thing. He pretty much reset the entire thing and it turned from 6 devs making a game, into 1 dev making a game, and 1 polishing it. This made the video somewhat pointless as it pretty much destroyed the idea of seeing the game evolve.
**** tarodev casted a spell **** **** progress increased by 80% **** **** got buff 300% **** **** script size increased by 8000 lines **** result => the next person was like.. huh? I thought this was a mini game small project...
Yeah very disappointing how he put in no effort to understand the concept and refine it, but just totally reworked the whole game. Like, I am not that fan of strategy, so let’s make it into a shooter.
@@granthurley2881 yeah I am sorry but he didn’t do it “instead of doing nothing”. He did it “instead of respecting and expanding on the work others made”.
I know the game is done and not supposed to be a big thing but ideas anyways: The lab/house and tree became useless, It'd be cool if you have to defend the researchers who live in the labs so they can invent the titan killer and since you still get 5 blood from killing the grinder could also be unlockable Perhaps if you run out of trees everyone dies from having no oxygen, The game could take place in a bio-dome in a post apocolyptic fantasy world where the world has been destroyed by currupted magic so everyone lives in bio-domes created by great mages (the player), the Wreckers (enemies) could be there to destroy the bio-dome on the inside to prevent the mage's reasearch in blood magic so they find the most easy way to do that to be destroying either all the trees, all the researchers or the player (they could have a diffrent enemy type just for the trees) The (Holy) Titan boss could be the mage from the enemies side who got so big using holy magic (the opposite of blood magic which the player uses, holy magic is effective against unholy things like blood magic) which granted the enemy god like power, they see blood mages like the player and there supporters to be evil due to the fact that blood magic started the apocalypse and comes from the leftover mana of a corpse which rots inside a body (the meat grinder can help it rot faster so the magic can gain impurity which messes up magical beings like the titan by disrupting the mana circulation of there vital organs making them weaker) After the titan dies it can no longer hold its own bio dome so the game ends and a final cutscene that describes how the player used blood magic from the corpse of the fallen titan to undo the apocolypse and re-order the worlds magic so it won't happen again so it ends with a happily ever after
Tarodev: man this is so cool, these guys clearly had a vision of what they wanted thi.s game to be. I'm going to trivialize all the enemies and make the previous building aspect nearly irrelevant
I don't get it why you mad at him tbh. Liam is literally the one who made so the player can attack, completly erasing the purpose of a tower defend game. Because why bother defend the tower if you can just attack the enemy without cost. Taro saw that, and probably misunderstood the game and thinking it just a game where you need to kill the enemy, so he gave the game objective, by adding a boss. In my opinion Liam is the one to blame.
this video was so fun to watch, seeing how each person would add something to make this tower defense game more fun! *tarodev* R.I.P. tower defense game. i loved you, but now we must move on to fast paced boss killer
Any plans on looping the challenge? It would be cool for the first developer to continue working on the game after it has been changed so much. This way we also get a chance to see other developers reacting to the change. Love your videos
Moral of the story: if you ever start a game dev company, this game of "developer telephone" is perfect for weeding out who will change the game in their own selfish way. As a company manager, you'd want to make sure you get rid of Tarodev first.
this is a good example of constructive criticism! Nobody can say he's a bad game developer, just not the right developer for the job. He literally came in and said "I don't like this, in the trash it goes". Tarodev is almost like a newly hired triple A game exec that on his first day barges in the game dev meeting, look at the next FPS development 1 week away from launch and says "scrap that, keep the guns, rewrite the story, we're making a RGP fanfic furry dating simulator now"
I'm not defending him, but ironically, he restored the original vision of the blood diamonds. After all (3:12), they were poorly rendered blood splatters at first 😂
Honestly tarodev does an amazing job when he’s the last one, go watch the latest video. And NOA CANNOT BE AT THE END, he COMPLETELY changed the second to last game they made
I like this concept a lot because it shows the style of different developers and how they add their own little touches to the game! It's very cool to see how as a developer to change the game changes in a different direction than the previous developers' ideas.
pretty great video! pretty cool to see Tarodev's take on everything and to see the progression of the game, I found that the "tower shooting while placing" bug wasn't corrected, as building a grinder allows you to gather blood without placing it.
i wish they kept the research thing as like you couldnt attack the titan until the research was complete and then you could build the towers, but you still had to defend yourself from the titan while the research was going. (i dont know how well this would work with the same boss enemy, would probably have had to change him)
I wonder if building more houses would only then allow you to access the blood grinder, cuz at the end the houses weren't really part of the game. Still amazed at how quickly they made this project tho
It amazing that you guys are so consistent with these games. I woudn't mind seeing Miziziziz and TanTan on these, because I feel like they are very committed to these types of challenges.
Liam is wholly overlooked. Improved and fixed the game mechanics that already existed. All those changes almost entirely undone because Tarodev had an idea for a completely different game. Really disappointing to see how much one dev can just ruin the entire direction a game is taking. If Taro returns I hope he's less destructive with other people's work in this collaborative project. Would also prefer him to be less dissmissive of the game as it stood when he got it.
While Taro is a good developer I do not like what he did. The whole point of this challenge is to take what's given to you and find a way to expand on it and make it work, making a completely new game goes against the spirit of that.
Just to post a different take on this, I personally felt that Tarodev changed the gameplay loop too much. If by accident it's one thing, like in previous videos some people didn't understand the concept and thus added features that change it dramatically. But in this case Tarodev knew and understood the core loop, and decided to effectively invalidate most of the game to that point. The village houses and walls became effectively useless yet they stayed in the UI. The game was changed from survival city builder tower defense to action shooter, with basically no overlap. While it's impressive he was able to make so many changes so quickly, I feel it is basically a slap to the developers before him who had basically their entire game concept put in the trash. To me these types of videos are more interesting when people add onto the previous work, not just discard it. Keeping disparate ideas and adding your own results in games that are wholly unique. If at any point you then have a person strip out most of that identity and only keep in what aligns with a more particular focused vision you get something that just feels more generic, the appeal of this kind of experiment is lost. It may seem I'm being really critical of Tarodev here, and I was to emphasize that I think he's an amazing developer, and what he ended up with after his turn did look fun and more polished, I just don't think that polish over interesting ideas is good in this formula, there are plenty of other development video formulas that do this already, this formula lends itself well to crazy, wacky, absurd concept combinations. I would have rather seen Tarodev try to find a way to make the current game more fun while preserving it's identity, rather than taking things out that didn't work for him. I'm intentionally trying to be a bit harsh, just because I don't see many people in the comments discussing this side of perspective here. I want to repeat I have a lot of respect for Tarodev, I just lost most interest in this video after his changes.
Also it'd be interesting to see what this formula would do if you gave developers 6 or even 8 hours instead of 4. How much more polished would the result become. How much larger in scope do the developers go. How much more work or focus would be placed on clearly explaining the mechanics, and would such additional time to work on such clarity reduce confusion between the exchanges between the developers. Would the games become more crazy, or would more time to fully develop concepts lead to development of a more focused and detailed fewer systems/mechanics game. A similar set of questions could be asked about what happens with more developers, instead of 6 what would hap[pen if there were 8, or 10. The idea being to introduce a slight change to the formula for every episode and see if any data pops out of doing so regarding how certain aspects of the formula affect peoples mindsets and output.
3 mins 18 seconds is the highscore to beat! How fast did you SMASH the TITAN?
Oh and which other devs should we invite to take part in this sort of challenge?
jonas tyroller or if dani if avialable
Dani
Jonas Tyroller if he isnt to busy with his new game xD
Nicky B from IHeartGameDev
BMo please, he is a creative genius!
I still think everyone should be able to react to the final game and contribute their thoughts about the game. It would add a little extra to the video
Yeah! Let all of them play and record their reaction and opinion after.
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Totally
Agree
Yes! The end feels rushed, it would be nice to get reactions from those involved and see what their first experience is like playing through the finished product.
Developers: fixes bugs and adds gameplay elements
Tarodev: *BLOOD HARVEST*
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i like how tarodev was just like, yeah lets just change the entire game into a shooter
He’s built different
he made it more fun though imo
Yeah hes cracked!
😂 Love that man
Yeah, but it actually turned out better. He actually introduced an end goal / loop. There were no winning condition before, not even a reason to play.
I think the instructions to the devs should allow for a 20-30 minute window to hop in the game and get a sense of it before the 4 hour window starts, this way they are developing for 4 hours and not spending some of that time just trying to figure out what it is.
I agree! Although "figuring out what someone's code does" is also a part of development :)
it seems to me that they are allowed the time to play the game beforehand and then their time starts when they want
Ya, you don’t want them to feel time pressure to not explore the entire game and miss out on important stuff.
Would also help to make sure none of them go in there and completely change the games concept
@@Darknova67 Isn't that part of the fun, having devs misinterpret elements in their own interesting ways?
Taro actually made that many changes in 4hours ? Jesus he's cracked af
Tbf it seemed like he was the most comfortable working in 3d and stuff like the movement script wasnt written on the spot. Very impressive nonetheless he definitely did a great job
Well he just added many of their own pre-made assets in, not from scratch so it's understandable
To be fair that's kind of what you wanna be doing regardless: keep all of your scripts from all projects somewhere to use them in later projects. And to be honest I still don't do that, I have literally 24 different movementcontrollers for 3d alone, let alone 2d.. This video showed the power of that a little bit.
@@Sakros yea designing things in a reusable way is definitely the goal for bigger things like movement system and stuff like that :)
He is. Absolute legend
I love how Tarodev just came in and said "nah this game needs to be more brutal, ima change everything"
He basically said “This is cool but it needs more blood like everywhere”
And made the factory useless
Literally the worst.
@@WhiskeyFiend so you hate Noah too right
@@-Seek-17is impresive in the tecnical aspect after all it did all in 4 hours in the aspect of working on a bigger project with what the other did he is garbage
It'd be sick to see one of these go two rounds through everybody
Oh yeah, imagine a game takes a total time of a week or so to complete, everyone gets 3 rounds of the game, everytime seeing what everybody else did. I think that would also be fun.
Taro could complete change it 3 times in a row lol
@@rustywrx This is why i need to see it
I'm really hope they don't his. I'd love to see the finished project above a 5 minute type game. At the very least, I would like to see how much it would change.
could you image adding things to the game just to see them removed by taro? he has no teamwork skill and took over the whole project.
You should two loops. Would be fun to see people see what everyone else did and add a second pass
This is the best suggestion if you ask me. Its like Telestrations
i would hate to see my work get removed by another dev and probably end up removing their stuff in retaliation.
this is probably how that suggestion would turn out.
they should be given more time especially since you can waste a lot of time bug fixing other peoples work and contributing almost nothing. which seems to happen every one of these dev challenges.
@@darkshadowsx5949 That or its a rule that you do not remove any core aspects of the game. It should always be refine, refine, refine. Thats the only way you are going to up the quality.
@@iceman10129 I mean tbh no core aspects were really removed, it just went from a slow passive defense progression to a proactive combat progression, he didn't keep everything the first and second dev had but he still kept some elements, the building mechanic was still there, the resource mechanic was still there, he gave a reason for the blood to exist, he improved on the combat mechanic. he didn't really do anything that made the game less fun and arguably just added things that turned the game from something you play once and think its alright to a game that you might play a couple times trying to get a better score.
Amazing how it turned into an actual game! 😅 So cool to watch what everyone did. Thanks so much for having me on! Cheers! ^.^
Thanks for joining Ponty!
You're a champion Ponty, would love to see you in more of these
It’s nice seeing you get a lot of recognition from other creators! I really love your content and I hope you make more!
Love you Ponty!
I feel like in all of these videos there's always one person thats like "nah I dont like this" and scraps a bunch of other people's work
Mmm hhmmm
I'm so happy to see Ponty in this video. I've been watching him for about 2 years now and seeing him teaming up with everyone to work on this game is just amazing.
Same
Yes i, was so happy to hear. He made me go into gamedev.
same :)
Same, glad to see him collaborating with other creators!
A great dev indeed
I definitely liked the game when the goal was research. It gave an incentive to place walls and it made towers unique. I like the grinders and blood systems, but I think that the titan is just not as fun as the original more endless approach.
honestly though it could've been worked upon like in the game you the player are clearly pretty large, similar to the titan, so someone might've been able to build upon this by making a mini story where you the player are a friendly giant that has decided to help people by helping with the construction of the town, however then the this much more sadistic giant calling himself titan came along and wants to kill the villagers and you the player are trying to stop him, HOWEVER TARODEV REMOVED THE HOUSES FROM THE GAME so none of the future devs had any idea of what was built before tarodev because it was removed instead of being left in to, hopefully, inspire someone else to build upon it
@@rocketblaster8701in all fairness, the devs before him made it seem as if you could only have 1 house which was doing research, therefore it goes from a game where you build a town and defend it to a game where you have one house you wall in and surround with towers
This reminds me of improv - The key element of which is to always say "Yes, and -" so that you can continue to build off a scene. In improv you never want to say no to an idea. But TaroDev said no to a few key elements the other developers added... which would be fine if it were his own project but for a collab like this shouldn't have happened. For as great of a developer as I am sure he is... erasing others work shows a lack of adaptability and inefficiency within a team dynamic
The problem is there wasn't much united vision before Taro and was too passive. No end point as research had no point for the player. No conflict no game no fun. All games makes conflict against something. Lona brought about a too aimless feature for others to follow.
I would've liked to know what would be the end product would be but without Taro game would lack too much.
@@temkin9298 think that problem is solved by giving people more time to work on the game and instead of one session it loops through each dev twice
This is the only comment with constructive criticism that’s crazy it’s not just saying “taro bad! he did bad!” It’s actually giving advice to him instead of just saying he did something wrong I thank you good sir
I think the "Yes, and" element should be integral to this series. With too much freedom, a bad apple can just hop in, mess everything up, and pass it along. But if you can only add new things, replace things that really need it (like a placeholder asset), or fix bugs in the codes, it would make everyone think a little harder about what it is that they want to add if they cannot directly remove things. Maybe it's a bit too restrictive, but I just came up with this in two minutes so take it with a grain of salt
it went from a game where you defend ur town to the buildings being removed
It hurt so much at the end seeing the whole home building tower defense game destroyed for a boss battle game at the very end
Yeah
@@themechanic9974 I really liked the research and waves that could have put in the game
Yeah I don’t know why people are praising him from changing it to a generic boss game. This reminds me of the horror game they were making and that developer at the end literally changed everything to make it a boss shooter.
I fully agree
The game would have been nice if tarodev didn’t ruin it
Weird, everyone seems to be praising what Tarodev did, but he completely changed the game and undid alot of work that almost everyone before him did - the stone and gold became almost entirely pointless, and it lost all creativity and replayability and just became a super simple boss speedrun...
I was thinking this too, the only buildings that matter are the grinder and titan destroyer, the rest are useless now.
This was just extremely selfish imo and it looks like there is now a lot less to do, all cuz Tarodev wanted a fast paced game.
Now the gameplay actually looked boring, watching this guy just run around and shoot enemies into the sky.
Yeah i kinda hated what he did
It became better in the end tho
Yea, the meat grinder and throwing enemies into it is a cool idea in a vacuum, but def not for this project. kinda ruined it tbh.
@@capitalcrossant6024 no it didn’t. It became a 3 min slasher game instead of something more tactical.
I would love to know what #2 and #3 thought of all their work being thrown in the trash.
Tarodev is good but I have a feeling he wont be invited again.
you do know the whole point of the video is they didn't know eachother's intentions
@@Drixitty Everybody else seemed to understand their intentions fine
I'm from the future... it keeps happening...
@@bruhmomentum9560
He was invited again and he did great actually. He took the absolutely brutal criticism of everyone here very well and learned from it.
wouldve been cool if you guys had the boss spawn after the research is over
I love this Video concept.
I think it would be cool if you lenghten this process and give every dev 2 times the Chance to polish like : first dev - 2 - 3 -4 - 5 -6 - first again - 2 - 3 -4 - 5 -6.
Hey! Thanks so much. A mega edition with 12 developed is in the making 💪
perfect
@@Blackthornprod PLEASE
@@Blackthornprod Two chances would still be nice!
He probably meant that 6 get a second round, not 12 devs with one round.
Would love to see two teams start with the same core concept that you provide and see what they do with it.
would be nice to see dev reactions what they've got in the end
The "tower defence idea" was completely scrapped by that guy
The problem with no communication is that you have an idea, but when the 5th dev came in, he changed the game to be more about grinding blood and defeating titans. The original game was more about tower defense and protecting a village. There was no balance, and so much was scraped.
Still amazing at the end. However, it would be better if it kept more aspects of the tower defense.
It would be really cool to have 10 or even 20 developers working on a game.
taro really was like, nah these ideas are shit here a new game in 4hrs xd
Great job all! Flippin Vampire Tarodev extracting blood lol. Fun video to watch keep these coming!
RED NECTAR
It's fascinating to see everyone's approaches. Thanks for orchestrating this!
I know it would need a lot of people, but it would be fun to see this project become like a tree, where after each dev finishes two different devs continue, and then we can see how different each branch became
That would be so cool!
For Christmas you should do a white elephant kind of thing where each dev makes a demo for a game. Then everyone gives a short description of their demo, then you choose which game you want to code on. And at the end everyone gives their game to someone else to keep.
It was kind of a bummer when the game was going in one direction, but that one guy entirely changed all of the goals and the point of the game. What happened to researching and protecting your base? If I had been one of the people who worked on the game before he got to it, I would've been pretty disappointed to have my stuff overrided like that
It was a really cool game in the end though.
I really wished Tarodev did not change the original point of the game. I really liked how it was before he changed everything.
Simpler the idea easier to make it is. Idea too complicated without a clear vision is trash in making. Look up people who give their starting as game dev bios , almost everyone of them tells this "Take simple easy to make stuff then build upon the foundation you have done if it has become too unfun then change it up.
Portal is about portals.
Half life is about fps , momentum, puzzle solving.
Sonic is about speed, exploration, momentum, platforming.
Tower defence genre is protecting something from waves of enemies.
Rarely does a complicated game ever rise to be a good game.
So as everyone has said at some point "keep it simple, don't overcopmlicate it"
@@temkin9298 To be fair it wasn't particularly complicated before his modifications. The only thing he did was modify the goal from filling up a bar to reducing a bar. I definitely think for the amount of time they had though he took the better direction. It's way easier to grasp killing the big boss than it is to research a solution to monsters. It's almost like humans evolved in a world where stabbing the giant thing causing you problems is the more natural solution.
I 100% agree.
Some changes that would make this better:
- Increase the time it takes for the Titan to spawn
- Bring back the research meter
- The blood harvester and canons cannot be built until research is at 100%
You should let people vote on what devs they want to re=appear. There have been a couple devs who really took a project to the next level, and I'd love to see them stacked on one another
In order for tarodev to receive redemption he needed to implement a unicorn. I’m disappointed.
No joke, I had it in the back of my mind. I almost put it in my video as a cameo 🤣
"I hope you enjoyed all my new little additions" the additions changes the hole game 9:14
You edited your comment and still misspelled "whole"
@@mattthompson1381 he's beginning to believe
I love this format of video so much - it is so inspiring to see how quickly it can evolve from one person to the next. If you could persuade Thomas Brush to take part in one that would be fab
for the love of god pls give every dev atleast 24hrs it’ll make the game look more fun to watch and over all just be more entertaining
I loved the research version more. Maybe they can make it another game mode in the game?
This came out REALLY good
I love how dark this got. :D
True ;D! Sacrificing harmless meat bags to smash a titan. Not too bad.
I dont
Hi, I haven’t seen any of ur Videos in a while, but I just wanted to say thank you. Your probably the reason why I got really into coding like 3-4 years ago, when I was 16. Now I’m 19 and study CS. Time flys by pretty fast.
What a great result! So cool seeing which devs added what (but also made me nervous as I may have yeet'd some of them).
It's the name of the game ;D!
So glad you are involved in these. Its great to watch everyone's styles smashed together
Taro my man… It’s always fun watching you make game… 🧙♂️
Love what you added to the game, I think it needed a bit of a brutal element to it.
@@anthonychase7012 🙏
And I’m over here debugging this tiny dumb bug for 4 hours.
No end in sight yet.
This looked like a fun challenge noah. It was a blast watching what lana did to the game in her part, as well as the others. turned out great.
The tarodev guy said F you to the previous devs and changed everything
Love your Videos, also appreciating the effort put into the video itself , and the ideas behind it
Devs: Resource harvesting survival game
Tarodev: BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD
I just want to say the character Lana created looked really nice. But it looked freaking amazing once they made it into the titan character. Whoever did the animations were really on point.
Incredible, everyone did very good this time around and the speedrun aspect was a smart final touch.
I read a comment asking about putting other devs reactions to the final product in and i 100% agree (if they have the spare time of course).
I’m sure everyone would agree a longer video is worth it but even if you wanted to a specific duration, you’re an amazing editor and that shouldn’t be a problem :)
Speedrun Guide:
1. Go mine materials for your first building which is must be Grinder. You want the grinder first cuz there is some trick: Because trigger collider was extended you can place grinder slightly below in front of enemy spawn point. That allows you forget about shooting enemies, cuz they gotta be spawning nearby the grinder and instantly get into it.
2. Now when you don't need to worry about Blood farming go obtain another materials and place 3 shooting towers in a triangle setup and fill all 3 with blood (you'll manage to do this even before the boss will arrive)
3. Move around the boss and fill towers with your free blood that you got from abusing the big trigger collider bug described above.
All the devs really improved on and tweaked previous devs’ contributions, while adding a little of their own. They kept each others ideas and created a product that was the culmination of all of them.
Except Tarodev. He was like “nah let’s change everything these people have already done and rework the entire premise of the game (removing houses and research, making walls useless) cause we need BLOOD”
Too little change if you see what they did as improving slightly Taro at least changed the game and built enough that it can be considered a game.
If the ones before built enough I would say yes Taro f-bombed the premise.
One dev only changed ui in 4 hrs! I would've wanted them to focus on workable improvements.
Houses could help teching up to unlock necessary things.
Trees perhaps would slow the enemies down but given that game looks fps tower defence with no action it is hardly workable.
It is hard making games and usually games start with many ideas clashing and what is considered best ones gets selected for improvement and implementation. With not much time left with no tangible premise Taro at least down greaded the premise to serve something in the end. Bad games cling to much to unachievable or too unfun ideas and achive less than half, best games refine and redefine themselves through planing and experimenting, hlf2 leak is unrecognizable to released one. If you want a quick well implemented game you have a basic premise, 70%(no research) of all games are war or fight games because it is the most simplest conflict there is. Resource management &tower defence game with the end condition of research needs too much dev timea and coordination.
24 hrs game jams are usually with a clean vision and understanding without code reading taking too much time. That's why Tero gets praised.
It's a shame the research was scrapped. What would have been cool is if the research bar wasn't to win the game but to unlock the Grinder and Blood Tower. So you had to build a small village to get the research done quickly. Defend it. Have it large enough to research before the boss spawns. If the boss spawns 1st, it will likely wreck your town preventing you from winning. However if your research is done you can defeat them in the way added.
It's a shame that a whole bunch of objects and concepts were removed in a challenge about adding things and building upon other peoples work. Did 6 developers really make the game if a lot of what they spent time on was completely axed by another developer? I mean they definitely worked on it and made improvements but the impact they had in game was removed.
I’d love to see a spin off to see what could’ve happened if you took the 3rd or 4th version of the build and gave it to different devs
This is cool. I didnt realise i could go into fullscreen until titan had spawned. Thus not being able to WSDA either. So only moving through quick dash.
Solid game! And thanks for allowing us to play it.
It's so impressive that these games always end up with a cohesive style and gameplay. Always a joy to watch ☺️
You should make it so everyone gets to work on the game twice
love how tarodev legit went in there said "hey this is cool, Lets just add some blood, defeat the whole perpous of the game and put almost all of everybody elses work in the garbage!".
yeah people praise him for it but he stepped over everyone, took away too much, and was not a team player. dick move
@@sipofliquid the whole point of the video i s that you cannot communicate with your group so how can you be a team player
@benzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzs Well, some of the developers playtest to see what direction the game is going in and then build on that. They also try to keep the art style consistent
Others just ignore the work of the other devs, make their own thing often completely changing what the game is about. Some of them also just add use their own art style everywhere even if it doesn't fit with the game
Like with the horror game all the devs built on each others work and the game had a clearly defined distinct art style. Then the last dev added a big boss, removed most of the gameplay the other devs had made and made it a basic shooter. He also threw out all of the written story then slapped the blackthornprod art style on everything
It was such a 180° they had to put fake early version of the boss (that never existed before the last dev) to make it seem like it fit
“Youre weak and dumb” “you’re wrong” “Understandable, have a nice day” 😂
Tarodev just hoped in and started to just change the entire game
You spelled “ignoring the main part of the challenge” wrong.
@@realGBx64 as in? the challenge is to "Pass the game" and he did just that, you just hatin' for no reason
@@realGBx64 you can't accept that tarodev just made the game 10x more fun
@@gserendipity sure no official rules were broken, as there were none. He was being a dick by ignoring the game concept and basically just did what he felt like. If you want to make your own game that’s fine, but then don’t pretend to play this game of making a game *together*. I think that detracts from the video.
@@gserendipity lol, no. But I came here to watch how people creatively build on each other’s work, instead of you know, what Tarodev did. Also, what is “fun” is subjective, and unlike you, I understand that. What tarodev did was missing the point of the challenge (part of the challenge is cooperation without communication).
i think the video need to have a meet up gathering talk at the end of the video.
It would be very entertaining to see how devs talk to one another on the game they co-op-ly created.
I'm forever in awe of how much you all can get done in 4 hours, meanwhile it takes me a whole day/days to get a fraction of this stuff done!
That’s so cool, crazy how the game is going in one direction and then the next person get it and changes the direction completely.
A little sad that some are unable to add to the idea without changing it completely. Taro basically erased all the work of previous two devs. Very uncool.
Agree
Not at all he gave purpose to the game
@@kokujins6931 there already was a propose to the game and it was go get 100% research
@@kokujins6931There already was purpose. You were supposed to build research stations and defend them from pillagers until your research maxed out. Taro completely threw all of that out the window. The final product ended up being not even close to the intention of the other devs
But it was more fun to play.
taro did a lot but he saw what was happening, understood the image, and completely ruined it
Noah: ("Liam is the better player") (Liam: Uses arrow keys) (Anyone who has ever played a game before: )
I kust keep loving these 'Pass the Game' devlogs!
Never thought I’d see you make a 3d game!
Maaan it's been a long time ;D! Will be making more from now on though.
@@Blackthornprod really good idea I loved this game and I can’t wait to see what else you can come up with! I’m also thinking about doing a pass the game challenge with my friends because of your videos, thanks for the inspiration!
I like how normal it started out and then it became a morbid mess of grinding humans up for their juicy blood.
Tarodev for the win.
Suggestion add 30-60mins to the next devs allowing them to study the current game progress on top of their actual 4hours.
My main complaint is that while taro did make the game more fun, it was at the cost of the whole tower defense aspect.
Kinda sucks that Tarodev just got rid of everyone else's work and made his own thing. He pretty much reset the entire thing and it turned from 6 devs making a game, into 1 dev making a game, and 1 polishing it. This made the video somewhat pointless as it pretty much destroyed the idea of seeing the game evolve.
100%
**** tarodev casted a spell ****
**** progress increased by 80% ****
**** got buff 300% ****
**** script size increased by 8000 lines ****
result => the next person was like.. huh? I thought this was a mini game small project...
Taro did the entire game loop essentially xD. What happened to the houses tho?
I turned them into grinders >
How I wish I could turn my house into a grinder
@@walterh2113 lmao
@@Tarodev ohhhhh... the game seems much better now tho, I like how you changed it to be more fast paced :)
Every other dev: Adds small new features or adds to current ones
Tarodev: Entirely changes the whole game
Tarodev really changed the game.
Yeah very disappointing how he put in no effort to understand the concept and refine it, but just totally reworked the whole game.
Like, I am not that fan of strategy, so let’s make it into a shooter.
@@realGBx64 i think that he just kinda changed the game to his specialty instead of doing nothing with the four hours he had
@@granthurley2881 yeah I am sorry but he didn’t do it “instead of doing nothing”. He did it “instead of respecting and expanding on the work others made”.
I know the game is done and not supposed to be a big thing but ideas anyways:
The lab/house and tree became useless, It'd be cool if you have to defend the researchers who live in the labs so they can invent the titan killer and since you still get 5 blood from killing the grinder could also be unlockable
Perhaps if you run out of trees everyone dies from having no oxygen, The game could take place in a bio-dome in a post apocolyptic fantasy world where the world has been destroyed by currupted magic so everyone lives in bio-domes created by great mages (the player), the Wreckers (enemies) could be there to destroy the bio-dome on the inside to prevent the mage's reasearch in blood magic so they find the most easy way to do that to be destroying either all the trees, all the researchers or the player (they could have a diffrent enemy type just for the trees)
The (Holy) Titan boss could be the mage from the enemies side who got so big using holy magic (the opposite of blood magic which the player uses, holy magic is effective against unholy things like blood magic) which granted the enemy god like power, they see blood mages like the player and there supporters to be evil due to the fact that blood magic started the apocalypse and comes from the leftover mana of a corpse which rots inside a body (the meat grinder can help it rot faster so the magic can gain impurity which messes up magical beings like the titan by disrupting the mana circulation of there vital organs making them weaker)
After the titan dies it can no longer hold its own bio dome so the game ends and a final cutscene that describes how the player used blood magic from the corpse of the fallen titan to undo the apocolypse and re-order the worlds magic so it won't happen again so it ends with a happily ever after
I’d love to see Vimlark do one of these
Maybe add 30 minutes of figuring out what’s going on so that the full 4 hrs are made up of making the game
Tarodev: man this is so cool, these guys clearly had a vision of what they wanted thi.s game to be. I'm going to trivialize all the enemies and make the previous building aspect nearly irrelevant
I don't get it why you mad at him tbh.
Liam is literally the one who made so the player can attack, completly erasing the purpose of a tower defend game.
Because why bother defend the tower if you can just attack the enemy without cost.
Taro saw that, and probably misunderstood the game and thinking it just a game where you need to kill the enemy, so he gave the game objective, by adding a boss.
In my opinion Liam is the one to blame.
@@saaskkehhuciha2949 Yeah I'd have to agree with Saaskkehh on that.
this video was so fun to watch, seeing how each person would add something to make this tower defense game more fun!
*tarodev*
R.I.P. tower defense game. i loved you, but now we must move on to fast paced boss killer
Low-key, Taro almost ruined it
LOL THE TITAN CANT WALK OVER LITTERAL TREES!!!!
Any plans on looping the challenge? It would be cool for the first developer to continue working on the game after it has been changed so much. This way we also get a chance to see other developers reacting to the change.
Love your videos
# 4 really pulled through on this one he did a great job with setting up goals for and enemies spawns/ cheerings lol
Moral of the story: if you ever start a game dev company, this game of "developer telephone" is perfect for weeding out who will change the game in their own selfish way. As a company manager, you'd want to make sure you get rid of Tarodev first.
this is a good example of constructive criticism!
Nobody can say he's a bad game developer, just not the right developer for the job.
He literally came in and said "I don't like this, in the trash it goes".
Tarodev is almost like a newly hired triple A game exec that on his first day barges in the game dev meeting, look at the next FPS development 1 week away from launch and says "scrap that, keep the guns, rewrite the story, we're making a RGP fanfic furry dating simulator now"
Don't forget to bit Liam too Anna previous video about making a horror game change the entire thing into a lame third-person shooter near the end
I'm not defending him, but ironically, he restored the original vision of the blood diamonds. After all (3:12), they were poorly rendered blood splatters at first 😂
Honestly tarodev does an amazing job when he’s the last one, go watch the latest video. And NOA CANNOT BE AT THE END, he COMPLETELY changed the second to last game they made
What an idiotic take. Good thing you’re not a company manager 😀
That’s amazing, I would love to join next time 😃
"Liam is the better player"
Also Liam: immediately starts playing with the arrow keys
I like this concept a lot because it shows the style of different developers and how they add their own little touches to the game! It's very cool to see how as a developer to change the game changes in a different direction than the previous developers' ideas.
pretty great video! pretty cool to see Tarodev's take on everything and to see the progression of the game, I found that the "tower shooting while placing" bug wasn't corrected, as building a grinder allows you to gather blood without placing it.
i wish they kept the research thing as like you couldnt attack the titan until the research was complete and then you could build the towers, but you still had to defend yourself from the titan while the research was going. (i dont know how well this would work with the same boss enemy, would probably have had to change him)
I wonder if building more houses would only then allow you to access the blood grinder, cuz at the end the houses weren't really part of the game.
Still amazed at how quickly they made this project tho
Yeah like imagine you'd need 100% research for the blood grinder so at first you have to defend your houses for a while before you can fight back
It amazing that you guys are so consistent with these games. I woudn't mind seeing Miziziziz and TanTan on these, because I feel like they are very committed to these types of challenges.
Welp there goes the entire city system. What a shame.
liam's accent is like french accent
Liam is wholly overlooked. Improved and fixed the game mechanics that already existed. All those changes almost entirely undone because Tarodev had an idea for a completely different game. Really disappointing to see how much one dev can just ruin the entire direction a game is taking. If Taro returns I hope he's less destructive with other people's work in this collaborative project.
Would also prefer him to be less dissmissive of the game as it stood when he got it.
3:46 I felt like I watched a short Ponty devlog
While Taro is a good developer I do not like what he did. The whole point of this challenge is to take what's given to you and find a way to expand on it and make it work, making a completely new game goes against the spirit of that.
It’s so satisfying seeing it get more and more polished
Just to post a different take on this, I personally felt that Tarodev changed the gameplay loop too much. If by accident it's one thing, like in previous videos some people didn't understand the concept and thus added features that change it dramatically. But in this case Tarodev knew and understood the core loop, and decided to effectively invalidate most of the game to that point. The village houses and walls became effectively useless yet they stayed in the UI. The game was changed from survival city builder tower defense to action shooter, with basically no overlap. While it's impressive he was able to make so many changes so quickly, I feel it is basically a slap to the developers before him who had basically their entire game concept put in the trash. To me these types of videos are more interesting when people add onto the previous work, not just discard it. Keeping disparate ideas and adding your own results in games that are wholly unique. If at any point you then have a person strip out most of that identity and only keep in what aligns with a more particular focused vision you get something that just feels more generic, the appeal of this kind of experiment is lost.
It may seem I'm being really critical of Tarodev here, and I was to emphasize that I think he's an amazing developer, and what he ended up with after his turn did look fun and more polished, I just don't think that polish over interesting ideas is good in this formula, there are plenty of other development video formulas that do this already, this formula lends itself well to crazy, wacky, absurd concept combinations. I would have rather seen Tarodev try to find a way to make the current game more fun while preserving it's identity, rather than taking things out that didn't work for him.
I'm intentionally trying to be a bit harsh, just because I don't see many people in the comments discussing this side of perspective here. I want to repeat I have a lot of respect for Tarodev, I just lost most interest in this video after his changes.
Also it'd be interesting to see what this formula would do if you gave developers 6 or even 8 hours instead of 4. How much more polished would the result become. How much larger in scope do the developers go. How much more work or focus would be placed on clearly explaining the mechanics, and would such additional time to work on such clarity reduce confusion between the exchanges between the developers. Would the games become more crazy, or would more time to fully develop concepts lead to development of a more focused and detailed fewer systems/mechanics game.
A similar set of questions could be asked about what happens with more developers, instead of 6 what would hap[pen if there were 8, or 10.
The idea being to introduce a slight change to the formula for every episode and see if any data pops out of doing so regarding how certain aspects of the formula affect peoples mindsets and output.