When I was a kid my dad taughht us kids to play pool. We started on a mini table. Unbeknownst to him or us he ws teching the Cliff Thorburn way. Until a few minutes ago I did not know who Cliff Thorburn was. I have been using his aiming system for almost 50 years.
@@HereAfterBilliards Unfortunately both of my parents are no longer with us. My dad would come over to our house and shoot pool (7 x 3 1/2 Irving Kaye Deluxe El Dorado Mark III - coin mechanism removed) on nights that my mom and my wife had bowling league. My dad and I bowled in a seperate league. Plus we all bowled together in a mixed league. My dad and I played on a pool team and we played in an individual league.
Thanks for the compliment. Our minds all work differently. Today I only use this technique if I'm going to attempt an extreme cut shot. I find it really helps me with those.
In his instructional video he puts the cue ball on the spot position and put the object ball at five positions at the other end of the table. One ball at two diamonds in and one diamond from the side rail. This first shot is center of shaft at contact point.
I bought Shane's aiming system video. Most of the explanations were done by Jennifer Barretta with some nice graphics. It's on Vimeo. It was done several years ago before Shane switched to carbon fiber shaft.
New sub here... I'd like to see the SVB system as it pertains to banking. No one has a video out explaining or demonstrating his system used for banking. Be well, Al-Fu
Before any shot, you have to distinguish the proper angle (or a shooting line if you will). Instead of aiming towards the pocket, you aim towards the specific point on the rail to play a bank shot. Therefore, if you are able to understand and perform SVB's aiming method for pocketing the balls, you can adopt the same method on banking mechanism too.
I discovered SVB aiming in the late 60's early 70's quite by accident. I just started to notice when I concentrated on the contact point where the tip was in line with the contact point, on the right or left side of my tip. It turned out to be a real game changer!
Yup. All our minds work differently. Whatever works for you works for you. That's what nonplayers need to learn quickly. When playing pool we're dealing with spheres so the contact point you think you're hitting really isn't because hitting a sphere with a sphere can be misleading. Today I revert to this aiming style on extreme cuts only. It's just the way my mind works👍👌. THANKS FOR WATCHING AND COMMENTING👍👍
Cool stuff! At first I was a little bit confused by what you were calling the inside and outside of your cue, as the outside seemed like it was the inside to me. So just to summarize, if you are doing an extreme cut to the left (hitting the right of the object ball), you use the right side of your cue to do the aiming.... correct? Essentially forcing you to play inside spin, in varying degrees, on every cut shot.... Right? What happens if the shape requires outside spin?
If you go into the description of this video you'll see two links to the Billiard corner. The second video you'll see him actually wear a GoPro on his head to give you a shooters view of how it works. That should help you understand the system more. Thanks for watching!!
You don't use spin, you hit center cue ball and use your feral as a guide. If you need to incorporate spin for position or to prevent scratching then you have to adjust accordingly. That's where I see this system failing sometimes. Speed isn't always enough.
If i look straight to the object ball the cue shaft will look like double vision so what should i look? .... The further the cue from object ball the wider the gap between double visioned cue... Its so tough ... Is it me or it's normal.... So i usually aim with my left eye closed to focus on ghost ball directly
I'm not sure I know what you mean by seeing double vision. I'm not sure why that would be and it's not normal. I also have a question for you. Do you know how to determine which eye is your dominant eye? If you don't look up a video to make sure yours is the left like you mention.
@3:23 SVB has the new low deflection shaft... So you made a video about his aiming technique without using the same gear (Cynergy ghost) he has... Maybe I should make a video as I have the entire 3 cue set (jump, break, playing) all custom and same tip as SVB... The "new technology" is out of many players reach ... I put down over $2.3k for everything.
He's right about this. I am playing with a Mezz ignite 12.2 shaft. And since the shaft is thinner, it's aiming point to the shaft is more precise. I believe Shane also uses a smaller shaft from Cuetec too.
There are a few that I am using outside. Also my fish eyed overhead GoPro angle isn't helping the outside look more exaggerated. 😂 Need to figure out another angle to fix that. The fundamentals are the same though. If you watch the Billiard Corners SECOND video he has a camera mounted on his head to show how English works with the system. Link is in the description. Thanks for watching!
This system shouldn't work at angle beyond 40 because at about 40 degree the inside ferule will be completely aligned with the edge of object ball... So how to make shots beyond 40 degree , if i try to allign inside ferule to contact point it will surely thick cut the ob
You obviously moved your shaft to the right when you cut it in the side pocket making the CB hit the ob in the correct spot, svb is not giving away his system, theirs more to the system than just pointing a section of the shat at a contact point.
I appreciate your opinion and I don't necessarily disagree. All these methods of aiming can be looked at as tools. Each and every one of our minds work differently. One method will resonate more than another depending on the individual. As for me moving my cue I'd argue that. What I think you're alluding to is cut induced throw and for that I agree as well. That's something that absolutely needs to be accounted for with any shot. Thanks for commenting👍
I don't know if I understand your question. For extreme cuts I definitely imagine the line coming off the side of the cue and my contact point doesn't change. I don't worry about cut induced throw generally as those extreme cuts generally don't get the friction required to produce that effect. Also I'm usually powering through with a great deal of pace. I hope this helps.
Shane has a tiny black line ( like a needle) on his shaft to improve his system. I had spot it couple times when I was watching his game. I'm not sure that he has it now on the black shaft , but it was easy to see over wooden shaft
I need to understand why it is supposed to work. If you're looking at the contact point with your cue tip in the center of the CB, it makes no sense to be aiming using the outer edge of the cue to shoot the shot without explaining what you're aiming at. I think there is a object ball component that is not related to the contact point that he is using to aim. And maybe it comes from practical experience, but without explaining that, it is difficult to understand what you're actually aiming at.
I'm curious if you've gone to the table to experiment. Obviously I don't take into account any cut induced throw or deflection. All I can say is diagnose what line you will use before you bend down. Practice will help you center your body properly. Don't bend down and then try to adjust on the fly. That's not a good plan. Set up some of the shots I did in the video and experiment. Then you'll be able to articulate this system in your mind better than I ever could👍
Which ever line you choose... Be it with left, right or center... Imagine that line continuing to the contact point you choose on the object ball. I'm really sorry but this is really hard to verbally describe. Have you gone to the table to experiment?
@@HereAfterBilliards I have and this whole concept never made any sense to me. When say "choose a line", does that mean the shot line? A random line? Body in line if want to use spin? Contact point....I'm assuming this is the place of where the ghost ball would be. If that's the case it still doesn't make sense how the ferrule of the cue lines up and how to determine which section (which also how to determine which section of cue to even use).
@@Spurs2k23 When I say choose a line I mean an imaginary line coming from the center of the cue or the side of the cue. Two sides and one center. Like in the video you have to decide which line you use. A straight shot you use the center. The more extreme the cut becomes the more you gravitate to one of the side lines. Does that part of it make sense. If the ghost ball for the contact point makes sense to you absolutely use that with this system.
I used to teach shaft aiming back when I played in NYC, it works for about 80% of all shots. You aim at the point that is opposite the pocket, also known as the contact point
Shaft aiming has been around way before SVB. However what he does is a bit different than my way, he uses portions of the shaft to aim at the edge of object ball. I use the edge to aim directly at the contact point. If you cut left you a with left edge of shaft. When cutting right you aim with the right edge of the shaft again to the contact point
sir your system seems to be different from SVB He aims 5 areas of his shaft to the EDGE of the OB while you are aiming on the contact point. Sir here is SVB himself explaing his system start the video at 8 min 55 sec and on 9min 10 sec he clearly says when there is any angle the aimpoint on the OB is ALWAYS the edge of the ob ( the opposite edge of the side you are cutting the ball ) th-cam.com/video/loSVmBOCJXI/w-d-xo.html
also in this video where you are cutting an extreme cut shot ( 10 ball to corner ) at 4 min 13 sec on the video your shaft edge is way outside the cue ball when you made that shot. Also at 5 min 47 sec the edge of the shaft is outside the cue ball.
It's all an evolution. Shane has developed a very specific way of justifying his aiming decision making using this system. But that doesn't mean it'll work for you. For example he talks about "a hair or two" in this video. What does that mean to you? What it means to you might mean something totally different to another player. Thats why if you just try to understand the basics of his system...you can justifiy it in your head any way you want. Hope that makes sense.
Question, how does this system work for spin. This system works well if you are always aiming at center. I remember a long while back when Shane was the new player taking on Earl Strickland and he made the comment about Shane, that he never used really over a tip of english which would make sense with his aiming system explained. So how do you incorporate this into your shot making routine with spin?
Thanks for the question. Just like any shot, if you're throwing juice on the cue ball you need to be aware of deflection and cut induced throw. Of course these things vary. From the cue being used to the power to which you're hitting the shot. I would suggest that on extreme cuts you wouldn't be using too much english but who am I to say...it's completely situational. Cheers!
Just watched the first The Billiard Corner video on SVB aiming. That guy kept saying to use the edge of the object ball with the five points on the ferrule. You were saying to use the contact point. Depending on the cut angle those could be quite different. Sort of confused now, so guess I'll have to try this out and see what works. Good video, keep it up.
Yeah for sure. That's why I think its important like you said to get to the table. It's my belief that depending on the player and the cue, it'll be up to you to see where your range is. For me it's turning out to be a good system for the upper mid to extreme cuts. Thanks for the comment!
One key element Shane explains is that this system he uses with no spin/english. Side spin/english adds deflection and squirt and must be adjusted from practice and experience.
Great video!! I loved the information on the conscious and subconscious mind. I feel like we constantly need to be reminded there are higher forces at work and like you said "upgrade your software". Well put in this day in age. I subbed right when you asked and by the end of the video I was glad I did. Keep up the content making, you are an original imho. Looking forward to trying this out when I'm around a pool table again and I can buy a new stick. (old one got left at a bar and stolen, stupid me)
@@HereAfterBilliards Thanks for replaying. Just wanted to add it was actually a decent cue. Spent nearly $200 on it and honest to god first game I played I ran the table which is a bit unusual for me. I have what you call potential. (studied lots of youtube vids on pool in 2012 learned a lot) When I see videos like this, I want to get back out there and play this damn beautiful game again.
I have a challenge for you, incorporate a ghost ball in your demonstration. Tape a 13mm strip on top of the ghost ball to demonstrate edge of the ferrule alignment to the contact point of object ball. Place the ghost ball frozen to the object ball from a variety of angles up to 90 degrees. This alignment only pockets the ball at 38 degrees. No other angle is even close.
When he gets to the last ball one half diamond past the center back cut to the left he is using the left side of his shaft aiming just outside the edge of the object ball.
The other four balls are the same two diamonds from the foot rail spaced at half diamond interval. Cue ball stays at spot so as he chooses each next ball going towards the middle of the table he describes using a section of the left side of his shaft (cutting to the left).
With this system, I think SVB is trying to eliminate the cut-induced throw. If you do not consider cut-induced throw for a cut shot, you will under-cut the shot
Yup for sure. 👍This is the foundation of the system. I'm not taking into account deflection, cut induced throw, English or anything on top of that. Its up to the individual to hit the table and practice the scenarios with his/her particular cue and fundamentals. Thanks for watching!
I tried this system for a few days. its not bad. It good I think to have set aiming system more than ghost ball. Cte I find is good for alignment and is super simple for that. Anything helps if you under pressure. I like the contact point system but also add think of the opposite contact point on the cueball as well. then push them together with allowances for overcutting to overcome the friction. Be it outside english. or inside squirt to create the 2-3% extra angle all cuts needs. Maybe more for slow rollers with no english. Nice editing. A lot better than mine . LOL
Not exactly. This is hard to explain. Let's talk extreme cut. Find the contact point. Let's say we're cutting to the left. So we're now aiming with the left side of the cue...the outside of the shaft. Imagine an imaginary line going from that side of your cue to the contact point. Now that is the simple set up with no English which complicates things further. 😂 If you're a visual person I highly suggest watching the Billiard Corners SECOND video where he has a GoPro on his head to show you a first person perspective. He also addresses English. Link is in the description. Thanks for the watch.
Great vid. You mentioned cloth bit old... But I love the color... Teal shade of green... Better than the snooker green. Be great to see the world 10 ball use that instead of blue again!!
@@carlkinsmanchannel Depending on the type of cloth there can be all sorts of issues going on to make it slow. My problems are easy. The cloth is not only worn but the glue that was applied between the cloth and slate has eroded. As a result the cloth in sections is actually loose. Definately not ideal playing conditions.
@@HereAfterBilliards I find that my table is too fast... Maybe noone complains about too fast normally. But I'm hoping in time it will settle down a bit!!!
You're totally right there. That habit can get dicey real quick. That's why after my double check if it's really out I recommended standing up and starting the preshot routine over. For me it's really just the extreme cuts now that I'm doing the shimmy over because the cut is such a sliver. It really is just the slightest of movements. Nevertheless, great observation. Thanks for watching.
No you have to adjust accordingly. If you head over to The Billiard corner and watch his SECOND video he uses a GoPro on his head to highlight how english works with the system. That'll give you a really good view. The link is in the description. Thanks for watching!
Nice video and delivery. Interesting you saw the other video on SVB's system and tried it. It doesn't fully work as he describes it, or as the other person's channel described it. I was able to sit in on a lesson with SVB showing the system to a friend of mine, and while he definitely makes it work, it's not the same as what he describes, it can't be. For instance, on a 30 degree cut, the center of the shaft is aimed at the outside edge of the object ball - a classic half ball hit. Doesn't matter about the contact point, the center of the shaft always bisects the outside edge of the object ball. On a 37.5 degree cut, the outside edge of the shaft is now aimed at the outside edge of the object ball. That's the most you can go before you have to start aiming in space. For larger angles, the entire shaft is aimed outside the OB, no part of the shaft can connect with the OB and still make it from center ball (you could using inside english but that's not what he teaches). Yet he uses it for cuts greater than 37.5 degrees, and so did you and others I've seen using it too. It's a nice visual trick that works for some people, which is really all that matters. Never did get a chance to ask him about that, my friend tried but he didn't answer... :)
That's really interesting. Thanks for commenting and the analysis. At this point I can honestly say it's a double check for me. If I've got that unsure feeling...I stand up...reset...and then use it as a double check after my regular routine. That's about the extent that I use it. We're all different cats I guess👍
@@HereAfterBilliards yep, there are dozens of ways to aim, as long as you find the true shot line it really doesn't matter. As an instructor myself I'm always intrigued when people use an aiming method or kicking/banking method to make a shot and the method is invalid but the shot still works. The mind is a beautiful thing... 😁
@@HereAfterBilliards thanks! More to come, been recovering from shoulder surgery and not shooting much. Subscribed to yours as well, I like your delivery and style, good luck with the channel!
It killed me when I built my basement out and I had to sell my 4 1/2 * 9 but it is what it is. We work with the space we have man. Good luck on your journey
Nice job. The last thing I need is another aiming system however enjoyed the cross reference you are getting at 😉I now use the ghost ball, edge to edge on very thin cuts, and even a fractional system. CTE is ok too at times. Tend to pick and choose while playing the ghost recently however ghost ball (how I learned is always used) One thing we must remind ourselves is all these systems are 100% stroke dependent. I had never heard of SVB's system. Thx for explaining.
I 100% agree. In the end we all have to incorporate what we want and where we want it in our own games. Fore I've found it useful on extreme cuts....and only as a cross reference. Thanks for watching!
no hate but you are explaining it wrong. you say shaft proportion to contact point, wich isn't true. actually this would negate all the purpose of this aiming system. it is shaft fraction to edge or for many important cut angles to outside the edge. i wouldn't recommend it though. yeah yeah yeah svb is using it and it can be helpfull on extreme cuts, but you never know why it works for him and what is going on subconscious with his aim. this aiming method is fairly inaccurate on a 9 footer and breaks down very easily. 1. it does not compensate for cut induced throw 2. is therefore super angle and speed dependant. 3. breaks down immediately when some english beside backhandenglish is used.
When I was a kid my dad taughht us kids to play pool. We started on a mini table. Unbeknownst to him or us he ws teching the Cliff Thorburn way. Until a few minutes ago I did not know who Cliff Thorburn was. I have been using his aiming system for almost 50 years.
That's awesome. I love that. I'd give anything to play pool with my dad again. Thanks for this.
@@HereAfterBilliards Unfortunately both of my parents are no longer with us. My dad would come over to our house and shoot pool (7 x 3 1/2 Irving Kaye Deluxe El Dorado Mark III - coin mechanism removed) on nights that my mom and my wife had bowling league. My dad and I bowled in a seperate league. Plus we all bowled together in a mixed league. My dad and I played on a pool team and we played in an individual league.
My pre shot routine is very similar to yours, and I'm going to try this SVB thing... see if it makes my cut shots a little more accurate. Great video!
Thanks for the compliment. Our minds all work differently. Today I only use this technique if I'm going to attempt an extreme cut shot. I find it really helps me with those.
In his instructional video he puts the cue ball on the spot position and put the object ball at five positions at the other end of the table. One ball at two diamonds in and one diamond from the side rail. This first shot is center of shaft at contact point.
Interesting🔥
This might change things for me. Thanks...
It's just like any system. There's no one system that solves it all. This one resonates with some. I like to use it on extreme cuts👍
Question: A 45 or greater degree shot requires the entire ferrule to be lined up off the object ball, correct?
Yup that's basically it. It needs you to zone in though. Experiment
Much thanks!
You're very welcome. Thanks so much for watching!
I bought Shane's aiming system video. Most of the explanations were done by Jennifer Barretta with some nice graphics. It's on Vimeo. It was done several years ago before Shane switched to carbon fiber shaft.
I'll look for it thanks👍
New sub here... I'd like to see the SVB system as it pertains to banking. No one has a video out explaining or demonstrating his system used for banking.
Be well,
Al-Fu
Hmm interesting. I'll see what I can find. Thanks for subscribing!
Before any shot, you have to distinguish the proper angle (or a shooting line if you will). Instead of aiming towards the pocket, you aim towards the specific point on the rail to play a bank shot.
Therefore, if you are able to understand and perform SVB's aiming method for pocketing the balls, you can adopt the same method on banking mechanism too.
I discovered SVB aiming in the late 60's early 70's quite by accident. I just started to notice when I concentrated on the contact point where the tip was in line with the contact point, on the right or left side of my tip. It turned out to be a real game changer!
Yup. All our minds work differently. Whatever works for you works for you. That's what nonplayers need to learn quickly. When playing pool we're dealing with spheres so the contact point you think you're hitting really isn't because hitting a sphere with a sphere can be misleading. Today I revert to this aiming style on extreme cuts only. It's just the way my mind works👍👌. THANKS FOR WATCHING AND COMMENTING👍👍
Cool stuff!
At first I was a little bit confused by what you were calling the inside and outside of your cue, as the outside seemed like it was the inside to me.
So just to summarize, if you are doing an extreme cut to the left (hitting the right of the object ball), you use the right side of your cue to do the aiming.... correct?
Essentially forcing you to play inside spin, in varying degrees, on every cut shot.... Right?
What happens if the shape requires outside spin?
If you go into the description of this video you'll see two links to the Billiard corner. The second video you'll see him actually wear a GoPro on his head to give you a shooters view of how it works. That should help you understand the system more. Thanks for watching!!
You don't use spin, you hit center cue ball and use your feral as a guide. If you need to incorporate spin for position or to prevent scratching then you have to adjust accordingly. That's where I see this system failing sometimes. Speed isn't always enough.
If i look straight to the object ball the cue shaft will look like double vision so what should i look? .... The further the cue from object ball the wider the gap between double visioned cue... Its so tough ... Is it me or it's normal.... So i usually aim with my left eye closed to focus on ghost ball directly
I'm not sure I know what you mean by seeing double vision. I'm not sure why that would be and it's not normal. I also have a question for you. Do you know how to determine which eye is your dominant eye? If you don't look up a video to make sure yours is the left like you mention.
@3:23 SVB has the new low deflection shaft... So you made a video about his aiming technique without using the same gear (Cynergy ghost) he has... Maybe I should make a video as I have the entire 3 cue set (jump, break, playing) all custom and same tip as SVB... The "new technology" is out of many players reach ... I put down over $2.3k for everything.
Nice! You should make that video. I'd love to see it👍
I've missed so many times it has now become automatic.
😂OH NO!!!
Thank yoy
No problem? 👍
It is a great system--but make sure you make your system your own. we are not Shane--LOL!! Good stuff!! keep it up!!
Absolutely!! Thanks for watching
He's right about this. I am playing with a Mezz ignite 12.2 shaft. And since the shaft is thinner, it's aiming point to the shaft is more precise. I believe Shane also uses a smaller shaft from Cuetec too.
It looks like you’re using outside English on the shots though and you’re not saying that you’re using outside English with the shot
There are a few that I am using outside. Also my fish eyed overhead GoPro angle isn't helping the outside look more exaggerated. 😂 Need to figure out another angle to fix that. The fundamentals are the same though. If you watch the Billiard Corners SECOND video he has a camera mounted on his head to show how English works with the system. Link is in the description. Thanks for watching!
I still haven't found anyone who explains that system well, including you.
Thanks for the feedback
Easier than CTE. Stan's vid series was way convoluted
This system shouldn't work at angle beyond 40 because at about 40 degree the inside ferule will be completely aligned with the edge of object ball... So how to make shots beyond 40 degree , if i try to allign inside ferule to contact point it will surely thick cut the ob
Have you tried? Can you update? Are you catching the object ball too full on cuts greater than 40 degrees?
The great straight pool player Johnny Ervolino was known to use the inside side of his tip to aim at the contact point on cut shots.
Very cool
You obviously moved your shaft to the right when you cut it in the side pocket making the CB hit the ob in the correct spot, svb is not giving away his system, theirs more to the system than just pointing a section of the shat at a contact point.
I appreciate your opinion and I don't necessarily disagree. All these methods of aiming can be looked at as tools. Each and every one of our minds work differently. One method will resonate more than another depending on the individual.
As for me moving my cue I'd argue that. What I think you're alluding to is cut induced throw and for that I agree as well. That's something that absolutely needs to be accounted for with any shot. Thanks for commenting👍
on those thin big angle cut shot is the ob edge always the aim point of ob are are you using the actual aim point on ob thanks
I don't know if I understand your question. For extreme cuts I definitely imagine the line coming off the side of the cue and my contact point doesn't change. I don't worry about cut induced throw generally as those extreme cuts generally don't get the friction required to produce that effect. Also I'm usually powering through with a great deal of pace. I hope this helps.
It would be nice if you introduce who you are at the start of your video, thanks
Thanks for the feedback...Ill try in the future
Shane has a tiny black line ( like a needle) on his shaft to improve his system. I had spot it couple times when I was watching his game. I'm not sure that he has it now on the black shaft , but it was easy to see over wooden shaft
I need to understand why it is supposed to work. If you're looking at the contact point with your cue tip in the center of the CB, it makes no sense to be aiming using the outer edge of the cue to shoot the shot without explaining what you're aiming at. I think there is a object ball component that is not related to the contact point that he is using to aim. And maybe it comes from practical experience, but without explaining that, it is difficult to understand what you're actually aiming at.
I'm curious if you've gone to the table to experiment. Obviously I don't take into account any cut induced throw or deflection. All I can say is diagnose what line you will use before you bend down. Practice will help you center your body properly. Don't bend down and then try to adjust on the fly. That's not a good plan. Set up some of the shots I did in the video and experiment. Then you'll be able to articulate this system in your mind better than I ever could👍
I don't understand....aiming right side of the cue...aim at what? Aim where on object ball. This never made any sense to me. Little help?
Which ever line you choose... Be it with left, right or center... Imagine that line continuing to the contact point you choose on the object ball. I'm really sorry but this is really hard to verbally describe. Have you gone to the table to experiment?
@@HereAfterBilliards I have and this whole concept never made any sense to me. When say "choose a line", does that mean the shot line? A random line? Body in line if want to use spin? Contact point....I'm assuming this is the place of where the ghost ball would be. If that's the case it still doesn't make sense how the ferrule of the cue lines up and how to determine which section (which also how to determine which section of cue to even use).
@@Spurs2k23 When I say choose a line I mean an imaginary line coming from the center of the cue or the side of the cue. Two sides and one center. Like in the video you have to decide which line you use. A straight shot you use the center. The more extreme the cut becomes the more you gravitate to one of the side lines. Does that part of it make sense. If the ghost ball for the contact point makes sense to you absolutely use that with this system.
I used to teach shaft aiming back when I played in NYC, it works for about 80% of all shots. You aim at the point that is opposite the pocket, also known as the contact point
Shaft aiming has been around way before SVB. However what he does is a bit different than my way, he uses portions of the shaft to aim at the edge of object ball. I use the edge to aim directly at the contact point. If you cut left you a with left edge of shaft.
When cutting right you aim with the right edge of the shaft again to the contact point
sir your system seems to be different from SVB He aims 5 areas of his shaft to the EDGE of the OB while you are aiming on the contact point. Sir here is SVB himself explaing his system start the video at 8 min 55 sec and on 9min 10 sec he clearly says when there is any angle the aimpoint on the OB is ALWAYS the edge of the ob ( the opposite edge of the side you are cutting the ball ) th-cam.com/video/loSVmBOCJXI/w-d-xo.html
also in this video where you are cutting an extreme cut shot ( 10 ball to corner ) at 4 min 13 sec on the video your shaft edge is way outside the cue ball when you made that shot. Also at 5 min 47 sec the edge of the shaft is outside the cue ball.
It's all an evolution. Shane has developed a very specific way of justifying his aiming decision making using this system. But that doesn't mean it'll work for you. For example he talks about "a hair or two" in this video. What does that mean to you? What it means to you might mean something totally different to another player. Thats why if you just try to understand the basics of his system...you can justifiy it in your head any way you want. Hope that makes sense.
New subscriber here, love your channel. The way you explain things is really good,thanks👍.
Thanks man! Enjoy watching the content! I hope it helps!
SUPER WELL SPOKEN AND VERY well explained
Thank you very much. I hope you found value in watching👍
Question, how does this system work for spin. This system works well if you are always aiming at center. I remember a long while back when Shane was the new player taking on Earl Strickland and he made the comment about Shane, that he never used really over a tip of english which would make sense with his aiming system explained. So how do you incorporate this into your shot making routine with spin?
Thanks for the question. Just like any shot, if you're throwing juice on the cue ball you need to be aware of deflection and cut induced throw. Of course these things vary. From the cue being used to the power to which you're hitting the shot. I would suggest that on extreme cuts you wouldn't be using too much english but who am I to say...it's completely situational. Cheers!
Amazing method, thank you very much
No problem. Hope it helps you punish your opponents 👍🔥
Just watched the first The Billiard Corner video on SVB aiming. That guy kept saying to use the edge of the object ball with the five points on the ferrule. You were saying to use the contact point. Depending on the cut angle those could be quite different. Sort of confused now, so guess I'll have to try this out and see what works. Good video, keep it up.
Yeah for sure. That's why I think its important like you said to get to the table. It's my belief that depending on the player and the cue, it'll be up to you to see where your range is. For me it's turning out to be a good system for the upper mid to extreme cuts. Thanks for the comment!
I feel like on larger cuts, the contact point and edge of the OB are going to be the same visually.
One key element Shane explains is that this system he uses with no spin/english. Side spin/english adds deflection and squirt and must be adjusted from practice and experience.
Absolutely.
Great video!! I loved the information on the conscious and subconscious mind. I feel like we constantly need to be reminded there are higher forces at work and like you said "upgrade your software". Well put in this day in age. I subbed right when you asked and by the end of the video I was glad I did. Keep up the content making, you are an original imho. Looking forward to trying this out when I'm around a pool table again and I can buy a new stick. (old one got left at a bar and stolen, stupid me)
I'm glad you liked it and thanks for subscribing. That's a crappy feeling losing a cue. Trust me...I know
@@HereAfterBilliards Thanks for replaying. Just wanted to add it was actually a decent cue. Spent nearly $200 on it and honest to god first game I played I ran the table which is a bit unusual for me. I have what you call potential. (studied lots of youtube vids on pool in 2012 learned a lot) When I see videos like this, I want to get back out there and play this damn beautiful game again.
I have a challenge for you, incorporate a ghost ball in your demonstration. Tape a 13mm strip on top of the ghost ball to demonstrate edge of the ferrule alignment to the contact point of object ball. Place the ghost ball frozen to the object ball from a variety of angles up to 90 degrees. This alignment only pockets the ball at 38 degrees. No other angle is even close.
Hmmmm...interesting.
When he gets to the last ball one half diamond past the center back cut to the left he is using the left side of his shaft aiming just outside the edge of the object ball.
Yup. For sure👍
The other four balls are the same two diamonds from the foot rail spaced at half diamond interval. Cue ball stays at spot so as he chooses each next ball going towards the middle of the table he describes using a section of the left side of his shaft (cutting to the left).
Gotcha. Excellent breakdown
With this system, I think SVB is trying to eliminate the cut-induced throw. If you do not consider cut-induced throw for a cut shot, you will under-cut the shot
Yup for sure. 👍This is the foundation of the system. I'm not taking into account deflection, cut induced throw, English or anything on top of that. Its up to the individual to hit the table and practice the scenarios with his/her particular cue and fundamentals. Thanks for watching!
I tried this system for a few days. its not bad. It good I think to have set aiming system more than ghost ball. Cte I find is good for alignment and is super simple for that. Anything helps if you under pressure. I like the contact point system but also add think of the opposite contact point on the cueball as well. then push them together with allowances for overcutting to overcome the friction. Be it outside english. or inside squirt to create the 2-3% extra angle all cuts needs. Maybe more for slow rollers with no english. Nice editing. A lot better than mine . LOL
Yeah absolutely. Thanks for watching. I subscribed to your channel. I look forward to watching your videos
@@HereAfterBilliards Much appreciated. :)
The left or right side of your cue is in the middle of the cue ball, correct?
Not exactly. This is hard to explain. Let's talk extreme cut. Find the contact point. Let's say we're cutting to the left. So we're now aiming with the left side of the cue...the outside of the shaft. Imagine an imaginary line going from that side of your cue to the contact point. Now that is the simple set up with no English which complicates things further. 😂 If you're a visual person I highly suggest watching the Billiard Corners SECOND video where he has a GoPro on his head to show you a first person perspective. He also addresses English. Link is in the description. Thanks for the watch.
Like incorporating the 2 systems...use this an Stan shuffler to system...thnks s
Much thanks
Great vid. You mentioned cloth bit old... But I love the color... Teal shade of green... Better than the snooker green. Be great to see the world 10 ball use that instead of blue again!!
It's my favorite color of cloth too. I still need to do my cloth😂
@@HereAfterBilliards do cloths normally play faster when new? Do they slow down the older they get?
@@carlkinsmanchannel Depending on the type of cloth there can be all sorts of issues going on to make it slow. My problems are easy. The cloth is not only worn but the glue that was applied between the cloth and slate has eroded. As a result the cloth in sections is actually loose. Definately not ideal playing conditions.
@@HereAfterBilliards I find that my table is too fast... Maybe noone complains about too fast normally. But I'm hoping in time it will settle down a bit!!!
Most pros would warn against changing the line when your down on the shot .
You're totally right there. That habit can get dicey real quick. That's why after my double check if it's really out I recommended standing up and starting the preshot routine over. For me it's really just the extreme cuts now that I'm doing the shimmy over because the cut is such a sliver. It really is just the slightest of movements. Nevertheless, great observation. Thanks for watching.
Thats good stuff..enjoyed the content👍
Thanks for watching. More coming soon👍
Thanks I use many systems to cross reference
Absolutley
Thats good stuff..enjoyed the content
Gr Gerd
Thank you very much for the kind words. I'm glad. More to come in the future.
With this system, is it a center cue ball hit?
No you have to adjust accordingly. If you head over to The Billiard corner and watch his SECOND video he uses a GoPro on his head to highlight how english works with the system. That'll give you a really good view. The link is in the description. Thanks for watching!
It's really something brilliant. Even better coming from a brilliant guy like Shane. Thanks for your time.
Glad you enjoyed it. Cheers
Great video 👍
Thank you. I'm happy you found some value in it. 👍
Nice video, you'll hit 1000 subs soon!
Thanks man. That means a lot and I hope you're right😊 I'm a huge fan of what you're doing on your channel. The best to you!
Subscribed today
Awesome and thank you! I hope you enjoy the content
Love your video. Clear and simple
Thank you very much. I'm glad you found value in it. Cheers👍
I just subscribed, going to try it.
Enjoy. I find it like I said in the video very effective on the extreme cuts. Thanks for watching
Very cool
Cheers. Thanks for watching.
Nice video and delivery. Interesting you saw the other video on SVB's system and tried it. It doesn't fully work as he describes it, or as the other person's channel described it. I was able to sit in on a lesson with SVB showing the system to a friend of mine, and while he definitely makes it work, it's not the same as what he describes, it can't be.
For instance, on a 30 degree cut, the center of the shaft is aimed at the outside edge of the object ball - a classic half ball hit. Doesn't matter about the contact point, the center of the shaft always bisects the outside edge of the object ball. On a 37.5 degree cut, the outside edge of the shaft is now aimed at the outside edge of the object ball. That's the most you can go before you have to start aiming in space.
For larger angles, the entire shaft is aimed outside the OB, no part of the shaft can connect with the OB and still make it from center ball (you could using inside english but that's not what he teaches). Yet he uses it for cuts greater than 37.5 degrees, and so did you and others I've seen using it too. It's a nice visual trick that works for some people, which is really all that matters. Never did get a chance to ask him about that, my friend tried but he didn't answer... :)
That's really interesting. Thanks for commenting and the analysis. At this point I can honestly say it's a double check for me. If I've got that unsure feeling...I stand up...reset...and then use it as a double check after my regular routine. That's about the extent that I use it. We're all different cats I guess👍
@@HereAfterBilliards yep, there are dozens of ways to aim, as long as you find the true shot line it really doesn't matter. As an instructor myself I'm always intrigued when people use an aiming method or kicking/banking method to make a shot and the method is invalid but the shot still works. The mind is a beautiful thing... 😁
@@ScottsPoolSchool I've just subscribed to your channel. I look forward to watching your videos. It looks like you've hit on a lot of topics!
@@HereAfterBilliards thanks! More to come, been recovering from shoulder surgery and not shooting much.
Subscribed to yours as well, I like your delivery and style, good luck with the channel!
Good shooting the table I have if you don’t hit the center it’s gonna rattle
I'm thinking of investing in ridge back rails when I recloth my table. This will tighten up the pockets
hard to take someone who shoots on a valley bar table serious
It killed me when I built my basement out and I had to sell my 4 1/2 * 9 but it is what it is. We work with the space we have man. Good luck on your journey
What does hitting it thick or thin mean?
Do you have a time stamp for where you heard me say that so I can give context to your question?
Nice job. The last thing I need is another aiming system however enjoyed the cross reference you are getting at 😉I now use the ghost ball, edge to edge on very thin cuts, and even a fractional system. CTE is ok too at times. Tend to pick and choose while playing the ghost recently however ghost ball (how I learned is always used) One thing we must remind ourselves is all these systems are 100% stroke dependent. I had never heard of SVB's system. Thx for explaining.
I 100% agree. In the end we all have to incorporate what we want and where we want it in our own games. Fore I've found it useful on extreme cuts....and only as a cross reference. Thanks for watching!
As a kid I was also shocked the same way. I am 78 mow
Haha I love it!
no hate but you are explaining it wrong. you say shaft proportion to contact point, wich isn't true. actually this would negate all the purpose of this aiming system. it is shaft fraction to edge or for many important cut angles to outside the edge. i wouldn't recommend it though. yeah yeah yeah svb is using it and it can be helpfull on extreme cuts, but you never know why it works for him and what is going on subconscious with his aim. this aiming method is fairly inaccurate on a 9 footer and breaks down very easily. 1. it does not compensate for cut induced throw 2. is therefore super angle and speed dependant. 3. breaks down immediately when some english beside backhandenglish is used.
No hate taken. 👍