I just want to point out a number of things I disagree with in your evaluation of Neuvillette's strength. 1. "The sovereigns fought against the Primordial One and the Shades for 40 years, therefore they are comparable to the Heavenly Principles". This statement is missing a lot of crucial context. For one, the book where we learn this is extremely vague. we do not know if it was 40 years of non-stop battle, or many individual battles and skirmishes across a period of 40 years. Secondly, the Sovereigns were not fighting alone. They had the backing of the most advanced civilization Teyvat has ever known, which spanned the entire wield. As such the sovereigns would have been fighting against the Heavenly Principles alongside large armies of dragons, alongside many powerful dragon lords like Scylla, whilst wielding incredibly advanced technology to support them. To lose a war like that in only 40 years is actually a sign of how much more powerful the Heavens are compared to the Sovereigns, as many other major conflicts in Teyvat's history have lasted for centuries or even millenia, such as the Night-Warden Wars in Natlan, or the Archon War. And the Sovereigns didn't just lose, they were completely crushed along with their people, their cities and culture demolished, and their entire realm subjugated. Meanwhile, the Heavenly Principles didn't suffer any losses until the dragons returned with the power of the Abyss to exact vengeance. 2. "Neuvillette's final ascension line says he has the power to judge the rest of the gods." This is not an objective statement, it is Neuvillette's subjective evaluation of himself. And it is unreliable for two main reasons. Firstly, Neuvillette has never met or fought against any of the other gods. He has absolutely no idea how powerful or difficult they are as opponents beyond what he has learned through stories, legends, and whatever the Traveler may or may not have told him. Secondly, the dragons are notoriously arrogant and prideful. Just about every dragon we have talked to has rambled on and on about how powerful and supreme they are, and how the mortal realm is puny and insignificant. And yet, when you look at the actual history of Teyvat, the dragons have routinely been defeated and subjugated by the human realm. Neuvillette is no different, I see no reason to take him at his word when he hasn't actually displayed the ability to defeat the other gods yet. 3. "Neuvillette is strong enough to equal and rival the human realm". There is a reason "the human realm" is in quotation marks in that passage. It is not trying to say that Neuvillette is as powerful as every god, human, etc. combined, that's just conjecture based on one interpretation. Character Story 5 is about how Neuvillette doesn't have a constellation and is unbound in fate. He rivals the human realm in the sense that he is unbound by the laws of Heaven which all other beings within that realm are subject to. He has his own fate, and can impose his own "laws", such as choosing whether or not to hand out visions, whereas the Archons are obligated to do so whether they like it or not. That's what I think that passage is trying to convey, rather than making a statement about combat ability. Even from a common sense point of view, saying that Neuvillette is as powerful as EVERY SINGLE BEING IN THE HUMAN REALM COMBINED, is an absolutely wild conclusion to draw. The sovereigns are not that strong individually, and they have never been shown to be that strong in practice.
@@secondtest1454 1. Before Sun and Moon is admittedly very vague on a lot of details but the fact that it only notes the Sovereigns doing battle with the Primordial One and the Shades should tell you that they did most of the heavy lifting. 2. Neuvillette would infact know how strong he'd need to be to defeat an Archon considering Focalors gave him a lengthy explanation on how much power it would take to kill an Archon and destroy the divine throne. Plus he is in possession of one of the Archons authorities. Also while he may be prideful he isn't stupid and wouldn't do something as significant as judge and or fight a god if he didn't know he had the power to do it. 3. Fair enough on this
2. Neuvilette +gnosis is on full power of an dragon sovereign dont forget that. also dont forget that archons without their gnosis arnt that powerful as it contains a big part of their power. he met forcalore and got her gnosis so he knows how strong an archon potentially is, also neuvilette is allways calculating and being objektive about things so his evaluation is most likely very accurate. Dragons are known by lore to be prideful and arogant, but neuvilette is known for being self reflected, humble and learning not only from the mistakes of the past, but also from the mistakes other beings did. agree with 1./3. for the most part its hard to make conclusions about how strong are entities we didnt met yet in the game. but from what we got so far even with mavuika and capitano its save to say that neuvilette is the strongest being we met so far (exept maybe childs master)
1- Nevullite 2-zhonglj (there is reason why we never seen him fight most of the strongest weapon made in the entire world are his doing) 3-arle(nahida word can barely be trusted she is a child no4 harbinger defeated much powerfull traveller that fought ei and traveller couldn't even move in her presence like frozen still this never happen against ei also ei literally stole our kill. No4 even said she can kill no2 harbinger if he cross the line if she can do it or not is up to assumption) 4- Ei (her best feat his killing a serpant god which was prying on defenceless human and slicing a portion of island which other archon have done it too if not better in past venti was moving mountains and zhongli was summoning mountain size spear like without lifting a finger.) 5- God complex version of wanderor (venti is not here because currently he is much weaker)
Zhongli litterally blizted by any archon Ei haxs and speed alone demolish Arle + Aether needed an amp that bassicly revivie him to being equal to Ei while with Arle, Traveler was stated weaken Even do Nahida is a child she litterally has amoung best IQ feats of the Archons + Dottore litterally had to trade her some knowledge for a gnosis
@puppet_43 cap ei get bodies by arle bruh she no diff buffed traveller who can't even move in her presence. That's far beyond anything Ei did. And zhongli lore feat far surpass her. Nahida would have gotten absolutely destroyed if she didn't threaten to destroy genosis.
@@user-ww9ww1pp2u How is a Non God lvl stronger than an Archon? the top 7 strongest gods in teyvat? Yeah, she bassicly had to pull up strings to make that so that just means Arle has thread Manip and ei dont Tell me 1 Zhongli speed feat (Cus they bassicly scale of the same and the only difference gonna be their speeds) i never say she was gonna win against dottore, just that she has the knowledge to prove her claim lol
The Mavuika vs Capitano fight really threw us for a loop. If the strongest fatui harbinger couldn't defeat Mavuika, then how strong really are the harbingers. Does that mean the traveller is super weak since he couldn't even defeat Arlecchino on his own? Is Mavuika the strongest because of Ronova?
When 5.0 first dropped I was confused what the fight would mean power scaling wise (because it would mean the Traveler is weak as hell) but I think 5.1 made it more clear. Since Mavuika is equal to Capitano (her words, not mine), the harbinger powerscaling probably goes like this: Capitano = strong archon (Raiden, Zhongli, and Mavuika) Dottore = medium tier archon (maybe strong archon tier in phase 2?) Columbina = weak archon Arlecchino = adeptus tier
Neuv is a reincarnation. He cannot be at full power in his human vessel. Note the prophecy from Enkanomiya stating the next hydro dragon will be reincarnated as a human. This is Neuv, not Koko. Zhongli is not just older but predates Teyvat. Its only stated he arrived in Teyvat 6000 years ago, but nothing says how old he was when that happened. He and Neuv are the only archons whose constellation name is not the same as their story. Its clear that Zhongli has hidden power and knows a lot more than we think. The only reason he didnt tell us any more than he did was because he was bound by a contract. As stated by Keqing that the age of adeptus is over, Zhongli sided with this notion by simply stepping down from his role, but he clearly still holds the same power. Hes not an ordinary human as he says in a few of his lines.
@johnboy4037 know I didn't mean that Also can you make a vid talking about the archons origins? Like their race and stuff we know from the lore I am curious about AE the most
this is a really good video. You get a sub
Thank you❤️
I just want to point out a number of things I disagree with in your evaluation of Neuvillette's strength.
1. "The sovereigns fought against the Primordial One and the Shades for 40 years, therefore they are comparable to the Heavenly Principles".
This statement is missing a lot of crucial context. For one, the book where we learn this is extremely vague. we do not know if it was 40 years of non-stop battle, or many individual battles and skirmishes across a period of 40 years. Secondly, the Sovereigns were not fighting alone.
They had the backing of the most advanced civilization Teyvat has ever known, which spanned the entire wield. As such the sovereigns would have been fighting against the Heavenly Principles alongside large armies of dragons, alongside many powerful dragon lords like Scylla, whilst wielding incredibly advanced technology to support them.
To lose a war like that in only 40 years is actually a sign of how much more powerful the Heavens are compared to the Sovereigns, as many other major conflicts in Teyvat's history have lasted for centuries or even millenia, such as the Night-Warden Wars in Natlan, or the Archon War. And the Sovereigns didn't just lose, they were completely crushed along with their people, their cities and culture demolished, and their entire realm subjugated.
Meanwhile, the Heavenly Principles didn't suffer any losses until the dragons returned with the power of the Abyss to exact vengeance.
2. "Neuvillette's final ascension line says he has the power to judge the rest of the gods."
This is not an objective statement, it is Neuvillette's subjective evaluation of himself. And it is unreliable for two main reasons.
Firstly, Neuvillette has never met or fought against any of the other gods. He has absolutely no idea how powerful or difficult they are as opponents beyond what he has learned through stories, legends, and whatever the Traveler may or may not have told him.
Secondly, the dragons are notoriously arrogant and prideful. Just about every dragon we have talked to has rambled on and on about how powerful and supreme they are, and how the mortal realm is puny and insignificant. And yet, when you look at the actual history of Teyvat, the dragons have routinely been defeated and subjugated by the human realm. Neuvillette is no different, I see no reason to take him at his word when he hasn't actually displayed the ability to defeat the other gods yet.
3. "Neuvillette is strong enough to equal and rival the human realm".
There is a reason "the human realm" is in quotation marks in that passage. It is not trying to say that Neuvillette is as powerful as every god, human, etc. combined, that's just conjecture based on one interpretation.
Character Story 5 is about how Neuvillette doesn't have a constellation and is unbound in fate. He rivals the human realm in the sense that he is unbound by the laws of Heaven which all other beings within that realm are subject to. He has his own fate, and can impose his own "laws", such as choosing whether or not to hand out visions, whereas the Archons are obligated to do so whether they like it or not. That's what I think that passage is trying to convey, rather than making a statement about combat ability.
Even from a common sense point of view, saying that Neuvillette is as powerful as EVERY SINGLE BEING IN THE HUMAN REALM COMBINED, is an absolutely wild conclusion to draw. The sovereigns are not that strong individually, and they have never been shown to be that strong in practice.
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1. Before Sun and Moon is admittedly very vague on a lot of details but the fact that it only notes the Sovereigns doing battle with the Primordial One and the Shades should tell you that they did most of the heavy lifting.
2. Neuvillette would infact know how strong he'd need to be to defeat an Archon considering Focalors gave him a lengthy explanation on how much power it would take to kill an Archon and destroy the divine throne. Plus he is in possession of one of the Archons authorities.
Also while he may be prideful he isn't stupid and wouldn't do something as significant as judge and or fight a god if he didn't know he had the power to do it.
3. Fair enough on this
2. Neuvilette +gnosis is on full power of an dragon sovereign dont forget that. also dont forget that archons without their gnosis arnt that powerful as it contains a big part of their power. he met forcalore and got her gnosis so he knows how strong an archon potentially is, also neuvilette is allways calculating and being objektive about things so his evaluation is most likely very accurate. Dragons are known by lore to be prideful and arogant, but neuvilette is known for being self reflected, humble and learning not only from the mistakes of the past, but also from the mistakes other beings did. agree with 1./3. for the most part
its hard to make conclusions about how strong are entities we didnt met yet in the game. but from what we got so far even with mavuika and capitano its save to say that neuvilette is the strongest being we met so far (exept maybe childs master)
1- Nevullite
2-zhonglj (there is reason why we never seen him fight most of the strongest weapon made in the entire world are his doing)
3-arle(nahida word can barely be trusted she is a child no4 harbinger defeated much powerfull traveller that fought ei and traveller couldn't even move in her presence like frozen still this never happen against ei also ei literally stole our kill. No4 even said she can kill no2 harbinger if he cross the line if she can do it or not is up to assumption)
4- Ei (her best feat his killing a serpant god which was prying on defenceless human and slicing a portion of island which other archon have done it too if not better in past venti was moving mountains and zhongli was summoning mountain size spear like without lifting a finger.)
5- God complex version of wanderor
(venti is not here because currently he is much weaker)
Zhongli litterally blizted by any archon
Ei haxs and speed alone demolish Arle + Aether needed an amp that bassicly revivie him to being equal to Ei while with Arle, Traveler was stated weaken
Even do Nahida is a child she litterally has amoung best IQ feats of the Archons + Dottore litterally had to trade her some knowledge for a gnosis
@puppet_43 cap ei get bodies by arle bruh she no diff buffed traveller who can't even move in her presence. That's far beyond anything Ei did. And zhongli lore feat far surpass her.
Nahida would have gotten absolutely destroyed if she didn't threaten to destroy genosis.
Hydro traveller is atleast twice as strong as electro traveller that ei fought.
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How is a Non God lvl stronger than an Archon? the top 7 strongest gods in teyvat?
Yeah, she bassicly had to pull up strings to make that so that just means Arle has thread Manip and ei dont
Tell me 1 Zhongli speed feat (Cus they bassicly scale of the same and the only difference gonna be their speeds)
i never say she was gonna win against dottore, just that she has the knowledge to prove her claim lol
I'm glad everyone is gathered here to witness the most incomprehensible argument in the history of youtube comments
The Mavuika vs Capitano fight really threw us for a loop. If the strongest fatui harbinger couldn't defeat Mavuika, then how strong really are the harbingers. Does that mean the traveller is super weak since he couldn't even defeat Arlecchino on his own? Is Mavuika the strongest because of Ronova?
When 5.0 first dropped I was confused what the fight would mean power scaling wise (because it would mean the Traveler is weak as hell) but I think 5.1 made it more clear. Since Mavuika is equal to Capitano (her words, not mine), the harbinger powerscaling probably goes like this:
Capitano = strong archon (Raiden, Zhongli, and Mavuika)
Dottore = medium tier archon (maybe strong archon tier in phase 2?)
Columbina = weak archon
Arlecchino = adeptus tier
From current info
Current Capitano < Mavuika
Dottore > Nahida
@@信衞門 not too much, but i feel like raiden would mop the floor with capitano...i might just be glazing tho !
Ngl this video breaks down everything perfectly totally agree with him being the strongest
Thanks Sy💗
Neuv is a reincarnation. He cannot be at full power in his human vessel. Note the prophecy from Enkanomiya stating the next hydro dragon will be reincarnated as a human. This is Neuv, not Koko.
Zhongli is not just older but predates Teyvat. Its only stated he arrived in Teyvat 6000 years ago, but nothing says how old he was when that happened. He and Neuv are the only archons whose constellation name is not the same as their story. Its clear that Zhongli has hidden power and knows a lot more than we think. The only reason he didnt tell us any more than he did was because he was bound by a contract. As stated by Keqing that the age of adeptus is over, Zhongli sided with this notion by simply stepping down from his role, but he clearly still holds the same power. Hes not an ordinary human as he says in a few of his lines.
It's Moraxe's true form a dragon to?
@MassiF-z7v yes but he isn't a sovereign
@johnboy4037 know I didn't mean that
Also can you make a vid talking about the archons origins?
Like their race and stuff we know from the lore I am curious about AE the most
@MassiF-z7v I'll try, tho it may not be the most complete video ever since there's a lot of gaps in the lore regarding the origins of the gods
@johnboy4037 k
I like yr vid btw