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I actually wanted to throw in more Gundam images, including the AUs, but then the video hit 30 seconds and I didn't want it to go on for too long.
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I got into Gundam because "Ha ha, giant robot fights!" and stayed for the explorations of the darkness of the human condition that are pinpricked with spots of compassion. When I need a fun popcorn fodder space opera, I have Star Wars. When I need something deeper that makes me feel a thing, I go to Gundam.
I want both
@@fuckingking6796 WHAT?
@@neroidius6915 ah what?
i recommend soukyuu no fafner franchise.
its technically like gundam but with aliens... but the aliens sometimes take a breather to let humans torment each other.
one scene still makes me cry every time it get recommended on my youtube feed
Gundam War on Pocket was more on drama and the story *wink
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SW: The Empire was based on Nazis
Gundam: “Son, you’re literally Hitler.” “Thanks for the compliment, Dad.”
Gundam's bad guys are nowhere near as evil as the Empire. The Empire makes Adolf look like a punk. In Gundam, the Zeon are fighting to save the Earth from Federation corruption. In Star Wars, the Empire destroyed their version of Earth called Alderaan just to send a message.
I'd say they are a villified version of the Union, and the rebels are romanticized versions of the Confederacy.
Also, Star Wars glorifies the Confederate States of America, while Gundam aims to deconstruct its glorification.
@@CosmoShidan No it does not. Star Wars has the Confederates be the bad guys. The Confederacy in the SW movies are made up of the corrupt Republic corporations that plundered the galaxy for generations.
I like how ZZ was over in two pictures
That was mostly because the video was getting too long and I wanted to end the video on CCA, but it doesn't help that ZZ doesn't really have much lore contributions beyond the fact that the neo-zeon war happened.
@@ferhog7705 I kinda wish ZZ would get more acknowledgment Ms wise, because I loved the designs
@@sph9564 THe pace was pretty slow and an introduction of another random boy feels redundant. ffs that's the third time some random dude craw into super machine there will be more later and this one deserves the least. It also doesn't help that it feels like a kid show from the start.
@@chicken_burgers
2nd Half of ZZ is where the shit gets real.
@@ferhog7705 its got contribution in unicorn and hathaway
Sunrise isn't afraid to show you the baddies at least. Twice the toys to sell after all
Since when was Star Wars afraid of selling the bad guy merch? That's the bulk of what they push these days!
@@bthsr7113 Show the bad guys as, occasionally, reasonable people with families, friends and their own share of pain and suffering. Zeon soldiers are often shown in positive light in one way or another just like the Feds are. Despite being fascists, the bad guys are still people.
There's no bad guy just jobs to do to get by.
Aesthetic space nazis and literally real space nazis.
*Laughs in Darth Vader and Boba Fett toys selling like hotcakes*
Act 1: 10 y.o. found gunpla at the local toy store.
Act 2: he became a teenager
Act 3: he watched the gundam series because he remember playing with gunpla as a child
Act 4: became depressed and now he's at his 20's trying to find the meaning of life.
Can relate.
I watched 0079 at 8 yo 😅
I loved It 😊
@@riblo72I wish i discovered gundam earlier
I was already an adult when i watched 0079 the first time
@@HeyMomonia 0079 is technically for adults. Though, I was 14 when I first saw it.
Imma say this and I will not regret saying it
Gundam feels more of a "star wars" than Star Wars
And it has more war feels as well
Newtype = space people bullshit magic
Jedi/ sith = space wizard with bullshit magic
Coordinators from SEED sounds plausible to me. When will we get enhanced humans with exaggerated physical strength and mental capacity that's immune to nearly all kinds of diseases and pray they don't fire a huge space laser on us normal humans?
@@Joshua_N-A yeah
@@Joshua_N-A how about we ask elon musk to create space ship that can send us to jupiter so we can create gn drive over there?.
And then by using the gn drives we can evolution ourselves to become innovator.
And then dont about veda system
And gundam treats space like it should be treated. With fear.
*In the grim darkness of Universal Century... There is only war.*
And space autism
@@flamestoyershadowkill6400 For the EMPEROR!!!! auto fires 40mm grenade while charging into necrons or some shits
Even more depressing that in 40k, you can excuse the influence of literal demons and mindwarping eldritch gods, in UC Gundam, the shitty state of the Earth Sphere can be pretty pinpointed on very realistic corruption of a democratic government or of extremist revolutionary borderline on tyranny, basically nothing that isn't presented in the past or present day world.
@@trungthanh8586
Well... It's mostly the Zabis.
@@EungsuLee And the corrupted Fed government... and the Titans...and Haman Karn...and Char himself...and the new aristocratic movement of Crossbone Vanguard...and the Jupiter Empire...and the Zanscare...you get the idea
As a fan of both franchises, SW lore makes me more encouraged to look up more stuff, whereas Gundam lore, damn. The authors really wanted to go full into the "darkness of humanity" thing to the point where Game of Thrones is an idle walk in the park for them.
Game of thrones is just boring edgy series that i was happy im not wasting my time watching it.
While mobile suit gundam is greatest science fiction story that shows cruelty of humanity, both sides was same bad. Protagonist are just full of war and yet it was ahead of its time. A good realistic mecha that are used for mecha and had interesting lore inside it. Much much lore.
@@mohdfaismohdfais5477 Zeta Gundam FTW
Dude, Gundam is just a show of screaming autistic teens that pilot giant robot, kill some people and then die. You're not going to get enlightenment from watching cartoons.
@@kevinbayu7621 how about 00?
Main character are just experience celestial being character who fought for peace. Yeah he maybe scream sometimes but thats what happen when rage kick in.
Also 08 only had adult character who just ordered to defeat zeon remnants.
@@mohdfaismohdfais5477 majority of Gundam MC is basically just some insufferable kids that somehow fell into the cockpit.
So far there is only two MC that I didn't hate (and in fact loved):
Camille, because he get punched every time he acted up and actually growns up by the end of the series.
Seabook, whom later become a badass pirate and Wage a guerilla warfare against the Jupiter empire.
The rest I couldn't stand. And as for 08th, Amanda's entire simp quest is what drove me away from the ova.
Spacenoid: we just want to be free...
EFF: uhhhh u cant do that
lol they killed civilians.
@@Rahayu.76 exactly
@@mariobianchi2313
And the eff hadn't?
@@emperorhadrian6011 Sure they did.
And if you have a problem with EFF doing that, you should have a problem with spacennoids doing it as well.
@@Peasham
I'd say that the spacenoids were just as justified in their actions.
OPTIMUS PRIME HIMSELF did Gundam promos for Toonami in the 2000's.
What link it pls
I want the link like right now.
Ok, so we have an ad that is Peter Cullen talking about Gundam in his Optimus Prime voice (without saying it) and then one about Optimus Prime telling when they stream Toonami and many G1 characters turning on their screens.
Peter Cullen one: th-cam.com/video/v4x0hhJ1BBQ/w-d-xo.html
Transformers one: th-cam.com/video/NMV4g6-MS0w/w-d-xo.html
@@Protosilver97 thanks
@Yuri Setsuna BBC is full of old British people. Not their fault.
You start out thinking its a story of the Federation fighting Zeon but its really a story of how Anaheim Electronics plays both sides.
Until it's replaced by snri in late uc
Everything went downhill for Anaheim after that...
@@frankjaeger2565 and the Federation went bankrupt
Is it cause of the fact that they used both sides as puppets to test out their ms?
War profiteering boys, thats what Anaheim Electronics are about
The scariest thing about gundam is that it's entirely plausible. The abject terror and psychological warfare and the constant shredding of young minds forced into PTSD either by constant combat or brainwashing and drugs could be real. And there's the underlying message: war has always been this terrible of a thing.
However, only after the end of WW2 did realizing that war always been terrible, and in fact in the last 70 years wars have decreased and are currently few compared to past centuries.
Yes but add toy sales
The thing is its scientifically proven war was not always as terrible as ww1+.
Explosives cause higher rates of terror and ptsd in adition to higher rates of death and causlties. The explosives themselves cause ptsd by altering brain chemistry.
Also before ww1 wars had less destruction to civilians and infrustructure, and smaller % of casualties, espeically for the winner. And most causlties were from decease that was only slightly above regular mortality rate.
Trying to pretend war was always as bad as ww1+ is literally just propoganda. It was never super great mind, but it was not 'always this bad'
Lemme tell you bout O'Neill Cylinders~
Gundam shows how easy it is to start a war, and how hard it is to end it. even after the One Year War officially ended, Zeon fought on for decades, never letting go of their hate for the EFF. the Zabi's assassination of Char's father started a domino effect, very much like how World War 1 started.
Star Wars was starting to drift into moral grey by showing the bad guys weren't as bad as we thought with 2005's Battlefront 2 showing the Storm Troopers view of the Rebellion. they believed they were bringing true peace to the galaxy and the Rebellion was just a bunch of terrorists that burned down everything in sight for no good reason. Storm Troopers weren't evil, they just happened to work for a Sith. but then when Disney bought the rights, we went right back into light vs dark. we good, they bad, end of story.
If Degwin never got Deikun out of the way the EF would have steamrolled his protests and killed him and his family anyway. Degwin Zabi was smart, and regretted killing his friend, but if Munzo didn't respond with force to the EF and if Degwin didn't make Deikun a Martyr there wouldn't be a side 3 anymore. The war was inevitable at that point. Poisoning Deikun and blaming it on the EF was the only way to get Munzo the numbers advantage they needed to fight a winnable war against the EF. Shame this kids were idiots.
I'd have to argue with that, the stormtroopers do not make any decisions the Sith that usualy control them do and they are maniacs so it would look like the Jedi are the de facto good guys, though impotent simpletons is usualy more accurate.
Disney should stick back to fairy tales and princess stories. They destroy everything else.
@@Gunplabro I'm gonna correct you on one thing: It is never stated that the Zabis did the deed. It's equally implied that the Federation poisoned Deikun or that the stress killed him as it is implied the Zabis did the deed. Most we hear of the third theory is from Deikun followers that evaded an initial purge after the death of one of Degwin's sons via Carbombing.
Just another reason why I like Gundam, some elements aren't as clear cut but there is plenty of reason to believe either one of the three theories I listed. (Feddies didn't want the colony declaring independance and thought Zeon's death would make Side 3 more heavily rely on them to bring order, Deikun worked tirelessly to bring prosperity to Munzo Colony (and Side 3 itself) only to die because of the stress and the reason you gave earlier)
TBF, neo-Zeon probably wouldn't have persisted as much as it did if the Federation could go five minutes without being a dick to spacenoids
Sunrise also prefers making alternate universes over completely abandoning its source material.
This. Star Wars doesn't take as many risks doing odd different things. We only really get those in comics and books, which only a small part of the fandom read. In TV we have the Lego shows/movies, the new Visions or whatever it was called anime inspired stuff on Disney+.
@@spaccorn Sunrise mostly markets Gundam to the West as an afterthought. There’s never been a push to Westernize the franchise and insist on reboots rather than simply letting the fans know what to watch and have them get immersed. I’ve never seen a Western media franchise do that.
@@windscar15 LIke how do you tell the westerner to watch real space Nazis not the Star wars fake ones fighting space America.
@@chicken_burgers have said space nazis actually do stuff versus implying they did so off screen. Show don’t tell after all.
@@windscar15 Well, we might be starting on that path with the upcoming live-action Gundam movie.
Somehow.. Zeon returned
This fits almost every UC series after the original.
I love this reference as bad as it is.
A dream never dies.
Sounds like chars counterattack bro
Freakin Unicorn lol “Char is Alive! After all these years”
I have to say that I like the lore of the two franchises, one is a story of chivalry in a universe with intergalactic technology and the other is crude politics and human exploration.
I'll take a guess, Star wars is the former,Gundam the latter?
Both are the same
I mean, once you dig into Star Wars, the lore can get kinda messed up.
For example, a guy going around and killing worlds to maintain his immortality and purposely neglecting his twin sons till one of them snapped and tried to kill him and the other tried to stop him only to get killed in his place by his own brother.
Only then did the father choose to acknowledge him.
Watch the Rise of Palpatine and they will rethink of their statements again. Starwars isn't a kid show
@@dailyshitposting3687 which rise? The EU or the official and approved Disney version
The fundamental difference between Star Wars and Gundam is that Star Wars has the majority of its lore and history based around the mysticism of The Force and how that influenced the people and organizations around it. Gundam meanwhile focuses entirely on the raw gritty nature of humanity put into space where the politics of nations, empires, and individuals dictate what happens in the galaxy and how the cold, hard reality of war can destroy everyone on a sociopolitical level.
Star Wars is not a sci-fi, it is sci-fantasy. Replace light sabers with normal swords and the force with magic and the themes still work. Gundam is a sci-fi and it’s themes are deeply tied to how the human race faces the future.
Yeah you could easily swap the setting of Star Wars and for the most part the story wouldn't need changing.
Star Wars and Gundam are Space Operas, because they delve into the human consciousness as it relates to intergalactic affairs. A majority of the lore and themes present in both are unique to its setting
@@frostyfrenchtoast There's no such thing as a Space opera. It's Science fiction.
@@Gamerguy826 It’s been a subgenre for more than a century. SO is literally a subcategory of science fiction lol
@@Gamerguy826 space opera is s thing tho
Got into gundam for the epic kits, stayed for the intense ass lore and world building (as well as the customs and kitbashes)
I got into it in pretty much the opposite direction- I started with the original anime, and then eventually got into Gunpla a few months ago by putting together a HG Zaku II kit. Now I've spent multiple paychecks on Gunpla and other Japanese-style model kits.
I always assumed that Gundam was a somewhat dorky anime aimed at kids and that Evangelion was just a darker take on Gundam. Sure I wasn’t wrong that Eva does shit darker, but Gundam is WAY darker than I ever coulda imagined
Have you watched Ideon?
@@frankjaeger2565 Oh the one that earned Tomino the nickname "Kill'em all"? Because that's dark as hell.
@@kendiaz89 yeah, that one. Even though you might argue that he had already earned the title with Zambot 3.
@@frankjaeger2565 To be fair that nickname solidified because
Literally everyone in the whole universe dies in Ideon, so he really did Kill'em all.
@@kendiaz89 yeah, nobody could argue against that.
If I'd known this video would get this many views I never would have made it. Now I've brought the Star Wars fans into my TH-cam feed, a fate no man should ever have to suffer.
Dude thank you though it's interesting to talk to fans from both sides. Even someone who watched De Neue These is here.
@@chicken_burgers legend of the galactic heroes die neue these is amazing I love that show
shame on you!!!!!! do more tho
Dnt is shitty sjw reboot, you better off just watch golden wings over that trash.
@@kevinbayu7621 imagine being scared of sjws in 2021. That's kind of cringe.
Zeon: "I want a divorce."
EFF: "Bitch, I'll kill you if you try to leave me!"
Eff in a nutshell
SWs Legends lore is equally dark and brutal as UC Gundam and then Disney nutered the whole franchise-_-
And they tried to pull that shit again with a reboot
Thank heaven that Disney doesn't own Gundam.
@@LockeLynx Give it time (like at the rate they are going I wouldn't be surprised if it ever happened)
That’s because only like, 5% of legends was actually good.
@@philipcharpentier-havill801 not likely. Disney doesn't have the balls nor the interest for that. Besides, Bandai and Sunrise will NEVER give up one of their biggest cashcows to someone like Disney.
Still better than The Last Jedi
Ima say it. Even _G-Saviour_ was better than Last Jedi.
@@Fuji086 i will give you that at least it did make me ask why is this so bad at every part of the movie like yikes star wars how did that happen?
Bro even the shitiest gundam series is better than the last jedi.
Now which was worse, the last jedi or twilight?
@@alphamon701 last jedi at least twilight did not have a very large fanbase that watched it as kids that they let down
0:02 b like B R A S I L 💪🇧🇷💪
You would not BELIEVE the argument that me and my brother got into over this video
Which version of star wars was used
@@EternalEmperorofZakuul expanded universe
@@devincasebeer4459 oh good.
Star Wars lore is nice as well, especially the prequel politics, like dive just a tiny deeper and you will get those sweet details and notice how big the story net actually is
Yah I agree this video mainly about SW the sequels lore and not SW lore in overall
Why did I have to scroll so far to find this comment?! To be fair, I know nothing about Gundam but it's outright wrong to say that SW is just light VS dark and lightsabers. There is so so so much deep lore.
@@henry_alphonse Gundam politics are very nice as well, most of them consist of anti war content but the politics within and world building is incredible
@@EC-hf8ui I believe you. Judging by this comment section it sounds pretty interesting actually
@@henry_alphonse It is actually quite similar to how the Republic (Earth Federation) and the Separatist (Zeon) works, one of them get far too corrupted and a extreme opposing party is formed, and everyone in the fanbase love Zeon for their ideals
Gundam newbie: Ahh i see so Zeon are the bad guys and the Federation are good, right?
Me: [lights cigarette]Lemme tell you a story about a Colony called 30 Bunch and a funny little branch of the Federation called the Titans....
Let me tell you about the Jupiter Fleet and how the Feddies are fighting to get a big fat paycheck over space Naziland.
Bright slap more powerful than force
This
Bringing someone back to their senses with a slap or a punch is a much better ability tbh.
Making Mobile suit pilots, out of whiny teens, since the 1970s.
Star Wars lore used to be deep until Disney bought the series and scraped the expanded universe smh.
People say that but the expanded universe had gone to crap years before. I mean Disney made it worse even then, but its not like it was a sterling example of storytelling even before. Too many chefs in the kitchen, too many fingers in the pie. Would have killed for a proper Thrawn trilogy though.
Lucas also never considered Legends canon. In fact it never was officially canon IIRC. I still think Disney should've made the major legends stuff canon, though, but left out the bizarre and contradicting stuff.
It’s deep trash bro
@@henry_alphonseand hows that new lore
@@xninewxw7559yes and I'll take the one that doesn't have a transgender clone trooper
Gundam: We explore giant robots and the human condition.
Star Wars: We did that too once, with giant lasers and invading alien armies; but it doesn't count since we got bought by The Mouse.
Star wars: funny people have blood that lets them levitate things
Gundam: Kids forced into the army against their will, one suffers from severe PTSD, the other had gone into a psychotic state and commited suicide. Both family's have been killed and murder due to the tragidy of war. A girl who wanted power with a mobile suit and developed **H.A.D.E.S.** which made her lose control of the mobile suit.
It's not blood type that gives beings access to the force. As a superheated gas turns to plasma so does a high midichlorian count give a being access to the force.
Star Wars: A clone army created, trained, and equipped to fight and die in a war they have no say in. These clones grow twice the speed of normal humans and can never live a full normal life. They are slaves to a Republic that does not care about them and treats them as expendable droids despite the fact that they are all fully sentient human beings. They have no fathers or mothers to love and guide them, only their trainers and their brothers. If a clone is considered defective during their growth or training on Kamino, then they will either be reconditioned or outright terminated. All of the clones are eventually forced to gun down the very generals that many of them had grown close to, all because of one man orchestrating an entire war just as a means to seize control.
I wonder whats the crossover of Star Wars and Gundam fans. I just cannot get into star wars at all. But I respect it for the influence it has had on all types of media
EU barring TCW.. But I respect gundam
Star Wars is old school pulp sci-fi, while Gundam is more in line with new wave sci-fi, which aimed to critique pulp sci-fi.
UC Gundam at times give 40k a run for it's money. In the first week of the one year war most of humanity was killed.
As a Brazilian, Gundam to me is basically "What if Brazil and Germany went to war in space?"
No brazil
Name E.f.f
@@blacklegion2531 Say that to Jaburo, their HQ set in the god damn Amazon
@@falkyrie5228 is Jaburo a real place?
@@KingCasual1986 Nope, but it sounds like a word from an indigenous language - probably based on "Japira" (a bird) or "Japurá" (a river).
Star Wars’s lore is more black and white
While Gundam’s lore on the other hand sticks true to reality
“Look mom, I made myself the Chad! That means I won the internet!”
That’s what this reminds me of.
The difference is fairly simple
Star Wars is a series that uses war as a background for whatever Skywalker Family drama, Campbellian Hero's Journey, Jedi Vs. Sith shenanigans that is the plot
Gundam treats war like it's war
Not really. The original Gundam was basically a coming of age story about Amuro becoming a Newtype. The war was mostly the background for the charachter drama.
@@frankjaeger2565 It's a story of war from a perspective of a recruit, then. Hell, I don't think Amuro ever become the typical better person out of OYW. It literally broke his family, his relationship with his friends and his connection with humanity, in general. Enough that by Zeta, he's a PTSD-ridden flight instructor who content with being locked up by the government for years and actively ignored the changing state of world around him because he believed he'd fought enough.
@@trungthanh8586 Amuro was never content about his condition, he was forced in it by the federation, until he met aeug members. In any case, we shouldn't really consider what happens in Z when we talk about the original series: Tomino never planned to make a sequel to 0079, he was forced to direct Z by Sunrise so they could have a series to advertise new gunpla. When he worked on Char's Counterattack he practically didn't care for what happened in Z. In any case, the original Gundam is a story about a self-centered boy who learns to accept his responsibility and understand other people, aka a Newtype. The story ends with Amuro saying he's found a place he wants to come back to, even though that won't let him join with Lalah. Other members of the White Base crew also show their growth, especially Bright, Mirai and Kai. If this is not a coming of age story I don't know what is.
@@frankjaeger2565 I don't think it's a typical coming of age story, either. While Amuro realized at the final moment of 0079 that WB is the one he considered his home. The last third of the series was all about his awakening as a Newtype and becoming distant from everyone else. There is an element of growth there but it is entirely different from some glorious hero of the kingdom, saving the princess-style story of Star Wars.
I don't think Gundam's a typical science-fantasy coming-of-age story but more like a story of the war from the perspective of a youth/conscript forced into it, and various other people involved. All of them are changed by the experience but not all of them are for the better.
@@trungthanh8586 “So in Mobile Suit Gundam I sent a message to viewers, especially younger viewers, that you should try and become a Newtype." Youshiyuki Tomino, from his interview by Ollie Barder on Forbes. This should make clear enough what the intentions of the series is. Honestly, you should rewatch 0079 (possibly the movie trilogy, which is more clear and concise, and is now available for free on TH-cam) and look at how Amuro and other characters grow through the story.
In Gundam lore, both sides are bad and even more chaotic in SRW
The best part is both franchises have that one part where they risked killing off the main characters.
And it worked.
mikazuki augus
They outright did it with gundam in CCA with Amuro and IBO with Mikazuki.
Gundam franchises would not hesitate to kill their main characters.
just like Bandai, that does not hesitate to kill my wallet.
Gundam isn't afraid to show the main characters or even innocent people die. The MC often dies at the last episode of the show. Civilian casualties are often shown too, and sometimes caused by the "good guys" to show the brutality of war.
Gundam Zeta gotta be the best one in that regard, most of the cast die in the last episode, and the main character becomes a vegetable, if ZZ didn't air immediately after it would be the most heartbreaking ending ever.
Darth Vader is char clone
Star wars fans: lira!!
Just imagine Darth Vader with the voice of Shūichi Ikeda
@@carlosp5984 "your weighed down soul is disturbing"
@@Joshua_N-A no u
Star Wars Lore: Oh boy, I can't wait to fight!
Gundam Lore: Oh boy, I can't wait to fight...
As a fan of both franchises, whenever someone says “both are hella gae”, they were right, i didnt deny it
At least Gundam has a consistent lore and not WOKE Garbage unlike the Sequel Trilogy that ruined the franchise
What kind of world do you live in where the Star Wars sequel trilogy can be considered "woke"? It has a quick lesbian kiss between two background characters and that's about it.
FERG TLJ overvalued a white female (harry potter demographic) mary sue more than the black token male underdog. If anything, it isn’t woke it’s just pandering to a shitty demographic.
@@ferhog7705 did i mentioned gay couples in my comment? I said the Lore ! have you Watched episode 8 ? The infamous Hyper Space Jump and Poe's Humiliation? How about High Republic and its original story Board and its TH-cam channels down vote?
If your gonna virtue signal at least state the facts The sequel Trilogy is a Failure ! It made millions of dollars on the movie but the franchise n merchandise (where the true moneys at) doesn't sell! Besides nobody gives a crap about gay couples in movies and they can put whoever they want! But forcing a WOKE narrative and sideline the plot doesn't sell! Give me a Woke franchise that doesn't have a negative backlash by its original Fandom that went WOKE !
@@drakemguard1407 I of course never meant to imply that you had said anything about gay couples, I was just disputing your statement about Disney Star Wars being woke by stating that the gay kiss was the wokest thing in it and that was hardly anything. I'd just overall hesitate to call Star Wars "woke" when there's way more potent examples like Dreamworks' She-Ra.
Your point about the lore is fine, I have no reason to dispute it. I was just arguing that Disney Star Wars isn't that woke.
@@ferhog7705 this is MCU Eternals :
th-cam.com/video/aoBBaVaZ3qA/w-d-xo.html
Honestly the star wars lore is pretty freaking deep too, both are amazing
Yeah you just have to look beyond the Skywalker saga
Yeah, if you disregard that new lore
Bro is underestimating Star Wars lore
And this is just the Universal Century, and mostly the main part of jt.
Wanted to include AU stuff but that would have made the video too long for a meme.
Gundam (Universal Century) basically Star Wars inspired show in some way, but lore wise I think it's more clear the interest of each factions (if you exclude those newtypes bullshit), but overall these 2 show had huge impact to the world.
Gundam come in 1979 l think?
@@fuckingking6796 yes that's right, that's why gundam had star wars inspired elements in it
Wonder how it'll end had they not cut some episodes down? Heard the novel is even way mature and brutal.
@@Joshua_N-A yeah Amuro died in the last battle according to novel version iirc
@@zakhaevshub4735 pain..
And that is just the UC, and only half of it.
in the new star wars canon, this is unfortunately true. God, i miss legends. Multiple milleniums worth of star wars history and lore just thrown out the window.
At least we can enjoy watching Disney kill the lore and telling their retarded fans that the EU was better
If you talk of canon lore, then yes, but legends was far darker, with entire genocides perpetuated by the jedi, the deus pia crusades…
Not to mention the bloodbath battle of the yuuzhan vong war
@@Pen3989 Yep, I personally didn’t like that part, but it was dark…
@@lsthero5863try dark times
No TCW 2008 allowed
_... and that's just Universal Century!_
Gundam when your a kid: cool giant robots 🤖
Gundam as an adult: war is hell 😞
War is bad but big stompy robots are rad
0:02 you are going to space Brasil
Man, Gundam was like my childhood. I still rewatch War in the Pocket and Gundam Wing from time to time. Those are the only ones I still have in my possession.
I got into Gundam and Evangelion thinking they were discount Voltron
Tbf Voltron was pretty goofy no thanks to its heavily censored English dub
@@AkiraLionPilot Agreed. Pidge had the worst voice acting. Meanwhile the Netflix reboot made them a trans icon.
@@mysteriousparadoxproductio9339 yeah!!! The Netflix reboot was pretty good for what it was worth
@@AkiraLionPilot Yeah. At least until the end where it just got weird.
@@mysteriousparadoxproductio9339 cringe
I don't see the problem with liking both
Star Wars lore: Just Light vs Dark, bright colors, explosions, teddy bears and lasers.
Darth Bane, Revan, Malak, Nihilus, Plagueis and Krayt: *Are we a joke to you?*
yes, because they're no longer canon since the Didney takeover
@@kelnhide they were never canon. Lucas didn't even consider them canon IIRC
Isn't Plagueis canon coz the senate talk about it in the movie?
@@randominternetphilosopher3403 the character is, the novel isn't
@@henry_alphonse Not to me
As a huge fan of both, I can say without a doubt in my mind that Gundam is brutally much darker and the main characters suffer for their actions heavily
Kind of like how the main characters in star wars suffer for their actions? How bith main characters get maimed for their arrogance, a scar that'll last forever? How one of them had his mother die in front of his eyes, then fought to the death with his master and sworn brother?
@@turcanudan9386 when did a SW protagonist pack around his mother's decapitated head in a bucket again?
Gundam is dark, but in a very realistic way (as opposed to dark for the sake of dark, like WH40K). There is no clear good guy or bad guys in most cases. In UC, it's a corrupt federation fighting a fascist regime, and we see stories with protagonists on either sides, sometimes you want to root for the "bad guys", like Mafty, a group of terrorists aims to topple the corrupt government by assassinating politicians. 00 explores the eradication of war through violent interventions, and shows that the population don't care about war unless it happens to them. The prequels of Star Wars portrays a lot of politics and the reason behind the war, but the sequels are much more shallow.
@@kerbodynamicx472yeah, talking about 40K, the Grey Knights destroyed the STC template the castigator titan provided them (which was uncorrupted and clean mind you not) for no reason. They also destroyed the STC template to what is basically radiation, but fire beams use they deem it too dangerous.
40K sometimes literally do things that will be considered fucking retarded just to be dark
@@kerbodynamicx472the EU did well at darker tones
Saw gundam poster: heheh yeah boi, robots brawl goes brrrrrrrrrrr
After watch the entire UC series : war crime goes brrrrrrrrrrr
It seems to me that the creators of "Gundam" were still inspired by Star Wars and made a very worthy anime. This is called art
And gundam feels more star wars than whatever the fuck Disney is pumping
@@EternalEmperorofZakuul +
@@HK-cr9ii I would say that Gundam is a deconstruction of Star Wars, and practically destroys the hero's journey. It has succeeded where Joe Haldeman, Norman Spinrad, and Paul Verhooven failed to make anti-war story.
@@HK-cr9iiaside from the typical good vs evik cliche, that pozzed lore under Disney made me loose brain cells
Gundam is always that one series where it can have the most badass and awe-inspiring designs out there for the mechs but the moment you investigate how it got like that, you just find an entire glossary on how fucked it all is.
Also I mean fun facts to say to people when they ask "Hey why is it posed like?"
Gundam lore: Wow, war bad! Child soldier bad!
Star Wars lore: *entire expanded universe go brrrrrr*
You can thank disney and Lucas for killing the EU
@@EternalEmperorofZakuul
What is EU?
@@bingchilling6602expanded universe
Star wars is for children 🥱
@@axolotl1777 then: star wars isn't for children!
Starring in 2008 with the clone wars cartoon: star wars is for children...
I appreciate SO MUCH, that you used the Agnus Dei version of the song.
War does not determine who is right, only who is left.
-Winston Churchill
Gundam lore:....
..... WHICH ONE?
Guess nobody has seen or read ANY of the Clone Wars era , Old Republic, or Extended Universe stuff huh? I think Star Wars deserves better than this, though Gundam is amazing too.
Despite the meme, Star Wars lore goes significantly deeper than Gundam. Like, it's not even close. Their franchise size is similar though
@@unendingvoid honestly, its not even a fair comparison. the UC story is only set between about a hundred years from UC 1 till whatever's the end, the length isn't even remotely close to star wars. Gundam is also nothing but a realistic sci-fi story with some newtype bullshit added in, opposed to the fantasy elements that star wars have.
@@GervasiusMC It's not just the length but also the scale. Star Wars encompasses most of the entire galaxy that it's in and events are portrayed and stated to be affecting everything on that level, not just Earth or nearby planets/systems like Gundam. Then like you said Star Wars has the fantasy elements that also complicate things. Even on a sci-fi only point, Star Wars still has more details, information and technology than in Gundam in general because of the amount of weapons, factions, ships etc. When you add in the Jedi/Sith and the force, their history and more of the stories and lore it becomes insane
Deep SW lore? Oh the Mouse doesn't like this, not one bit, shoo shoo pesky lore
*laughs in Gundam Lore*
tbf tho, I follow both franchise, and I think the point is Gundam is a series where gray morality is a core part of the story, while for Star Wars it's very clear black and white, with only inconsequencial side stories where the bad guy can show any compasion. Plus with Disney torpedoed a large chunk of lore from cannon and how they just cannot write any moral ambiguity properlly, it's only going down hill
Also UC Gundam:
*eVEn sO*
*Space Rainbow go brrrrr*
*Gold Unicorn Robot traversing through time and space*
*Space Pirates with giant robots*
Remember what Cyclops can do to a human body.
@@Joshua_N-A I thought that's only in SEED, which is in JOSH-A (Jaburo counterpart)
What about OO
@@nuarthur4044 human vs aliens the movie
@@fuckingking6796 yeah that
Star wars legend/original canon: Allow me to introduce myself.
I get this comment a lot as if I wasn't talking about all Star Wars.
I'm sorry if I bothered you. But it's just that the old Star Wars is full of gray philosophy / morality, politics (yes, there is a ton of politics and I will say this is one of those shows where politics is interesting to watch), economics and of course wars.
It seems to me that the Legends have strongly departed from the original idea of the struggle between good and evil, it become more then that and I felt that it should be said.
@@nikitakobzar8321 Star Wars doesn't have that much depth, because it doesn't explore themes of atrocities such as genocide, war crimes, and oppression that Gundam does.
@@CosmoShidanit does
@@EternalEmperorofZakuul Then how come Alderan, the slaughter or Jawas or even the village that Fin attacked are never mentioned again? Unfortunately, Star Wars tends to repeat the same Hero's Journey that Gundam deconstructs. Even with a show like Andor, it hasn't even abandoned the monomyth, right down to the refusal of the call.
As a Star Wars fan, you have just insulted our entire culture.
But, yes.
But... What about the droid attack on the Wookies?
guess we will drop a second colony to your death star then...
I wish the Star Wars movies actually have a deep and interesting story. With politics, war, and showing struggles of both sides.
@@kerbodynamicx472 good thing you'll never see that under Disney
tell me you haven't seen star wars in your life without telling me:
Yes I have. It's the one with the giant sand worms.
There’s 2 Dune or Star Wars
@@ferhog7705 Tell me you don't like Star Wars without telling me you don't like Star Wars.
i dont think anyone, in the history of both communities, has ever compared either of these to eachother
you'd be surprised.
Actual Star Wars lore: *over 30,000 years of history*
This guy: haha lightsaber cool
That s mostly fanon and side material.
Gundam has a fk ton of anime , movies , manga and overall a lot more official stuff than 9 movies.
You mean that lore that Lucas and Disney didn't care for/got rid of?
@@EternalEmperorofZakuul Lucas actually shot the prequels with the intent that the SWEU is canon. Also, Disney still continues the SWEU through SWTOR expansions; it's not non-canon, just a separate canon.
@@trifurobert1349 Nope. It's a separate canon, just as how Future Century and Universal Century are.
@@HolyknightVader999 and it's better than anything Disney and Lucas ever made beyond the OT
Basically space people vs earth people
In a suicidal fashion
Space people: Fuck you
Earth people: No fuck you
@@telephonepole8366 fuking with giant robot
Space people: fuck you *throw space colony twice colony*
No bro
They are both
Totally agree, the main stories are often bland, but the world of Star Wars is anything but
@chheinrich8486 especially when you factor in legends and other none canon stories
The Star wars lore is not good lmao both legends and canon lmao.
Star wars old republic lore : 💀
Universal Century timeline's lore is so deep its my favourite
See it’s cool because I happen to be a huge mega fan of both franchises and love them for what they bring to the table
Gudnam is dark that this franchise told in every media makes the franchise's tone serious, fun, and dark as hell.
Anime usually is way more thought out and human-like. Star Wars' views on light and dark tend to be very gray.
The EU fleshly developed the light and dark.
Boys love: Star Wars.
Mens love: Star Trek.
Mens of culture love: Gundam.
Legends love: Legend of the Galactic Heroes.
Other fandoms when they criticize star wars for being Star wars: 🧠
How to tell someone never experienced anything other than SW sequels
I've read and watched some/ everything Disney made. Barring rouge one, everything is shit and retarded
@@EternalEmperorofZakuul Then you don't know shit.
Agreed, except for Clone Wars and KotOR.
I genuinely feel those two are on a different level compared to the rest of the SW franchise.
Nah, the extended lore and legends material about the original trilogy and the stories that happened afterwards with those characters is pretty expansive and detailed.
TCW is for little kids please read the books they're so much better
@@RospettoVerte
The TCW may have started as a kid's show, but it sure as hell wasn't afraid to get mature and/or dark. Especially when Darth Maul came back.
@@johnnygyro2295 OMG THEY STABBED A GUY!!! TOTALLY NOT IN OTHER CHILDREN ACTION CARTOONS!!! Compare that to the trillions of deaths in a single war in Legends...
What about the prequels? That shit was deep
You are only partly right with Star Wars. Only a handful of people actually understand the depths of Star Wars. The remaining cattle is exactly as this Video describes.
Please touch some grass
I have the distinct impression that the person who made this has only seen the SW movies and maybe delved only a little bit into the actual EU. But hey y'know I get it, it's popular to shit on the popular franchises.
Don't let the shows fool you, they are all Corporation Bandai's toys commercials.
This is just an unfair comparison. Starwars and gundam have layers of an onion and both are multimedia franchises. Its basically peeling the layers off gundam while not peeling tbe layers off of starwars.
If we are talking about Disney star wars, then yes, you are right. If we are talking about star wars legends, your wrong.
Edit: If you don't believe me, I recommend you look at this: th-cam.com/video/EwnGDTidvog/w-d-xo.html
Disney Star Wars is as right-wing as OT.
@@CosmoShidanhaving a transgender clone trooper and a fart wedding is very much right wing
@@EternalEmperorofZakuul Right-wing insofar as it's basically about good rich white people against bad rich white people, and comes off as "apolitical" since it doesn't explain the New Order's rise to power or its ideology. The same goes for the Resistance.
@@CosmoShidan because the novels explained it
@@EternalEmperorofZakuul Yet it's not in the movie so why isn't a line of dialog explaining this?
At least in Gundam 0079, the ideologies of the Federation and Zeon were defined in the films and tv show.
Star Wars: space politics, personal drama and cool fights
Gundum: all that but more edgy and cool robots
"Apathy is death. Worse than death, because the rotting corpse at least feeds the beasts and insects..." I wish that everyone who thinks that Star Wars lore is just a "Voom-voom pew-pew good vs evil" found out whose quote it is.
Me who taxidermies my enemies: What rotting corpses?
The Star Wars movies are always at strategic Flashpoints where a lot of things start happening at once whereas real war isn't like that there's down time and existential dread wondering if you're gonna live to see the next day. Gundam is way more realistic in that regard but the genre is called Real Robot.
Actually, Gundam was supposed to be like Starship trooper, but changed to large robot to sell robots.
Star Wars: Stormtroopers always miss
Gundam: Zakus barely miss
The Old Republic
Holocrons
Midichlorians
Jedi Archives
*The Comics*
I hoped we would see a darker side of the New Republic in the newest Mandalorian season. We got just a small glimpse of it in the episode "The Convert" but it was overshadowed by an imperial spy. It's like Star Wars can never grow up. Republic/rebels are always good, empire always evil. There's no humanity, only cartoonish morality.
In the EU, the Jedi and republic committed genocide while there were Sith who cared for their people and empire
That's why Gundam and Blake's 7 are deconstructions of Star Wars.
The EU did expanded on that
I finally finished Gundam 0079 and it was an amazing trip. It kinda reminded me of the style of Speed Racer and the setting and themes of Star Trek, both of which were my dad's favorite shows throughout his life. Needless to say, I'm hooked and I'm considering checking out some of the other shows and movies.
The original Gundam series is pretty much the only truly mandatory viewing you need in order to watch anything else in the universal century timeline, but it does also help to watch its direct sequels.
Gundam 0079 is followed up by Zeta Gundam which is in turn followed up by Gundam ZZ. Zeta is seen as the Empire Strikes back of Gundam, a darker and more serious improvement over the slightly more silly and colourful original. ZZ is generally hated for being a much more silly and comedic sequel to Zeta, which was apparently to make up for how dark the ending of Zeta was considered at the time. Personally I didn't like either very much, though I did think Zeta had some great episodes while ZZ had some insufferable episodes, though the latter does see considerable improvement in its second half. This trilogy of shows concludes with the movie Char's Counterattack. Watching all of these gives the appropriate context for Gundam Unicorn, which is my personal favourite Gundam series. While again, all you really need to have see is the original series to understand the important parts of Unicorn, watching all 3 shows and the movie really improves the experience.
For a less potentially daunting sounding recommendation, there are multiple spinoffs set during the One Year War of the original series: War in the Pocket, 08th MS Team, Stardust Memory, and Thunderbolt (Although Thunderbolt is considered to take place in a slightly different universe with more over the top mobile suits). Of those I've only seen 08th MS Team and Thunderbolt, and I'd recommend both as more down to Earth stories about regular mobile suit pilots. Thunderbolt is especially good as it portays both the Federation and Zeon characters in equal spotlight, getting you to like characters on both sides and making their fights feel quite tragic.
Outside of the Universal Century there are multiple Alternate Universe shows, which they started making to make the franchise more accessible. These include G-Gundam, Gundam Wing, Gundam X, Turn A Gundam, Gundam Seed, Gundam 00, Gundam Age, Gundam Iron Blooded Orphans and the currently upcoming series The Witch From Mercury. These are all completely self contained series, though Gundam Seed has a sequel series called Gundam Seed Destiny. They largely all follow similar formulas, but G-Gundam is distinct for being a much less grounded show about a fighting tournament between Gundams. Of the ones I've seen, I'd personally recommend 00 and Iron Blooded Orphans.
In summary, if you want to see what happens to the world next, watch Zeta. If you want more stories set during the war, watch Thunderbolt or 08th MS Team. If you want to watch a completely new show, watch 00 or Iron Blooded Orphans.
Well....I could muddy the Waters by referencing stuff from KOTOR 2 and much of Star Wars Legends Prehistory.
....But I don't think I could say that with a Straight Face if we countered that by giving Gundam the Rest of the Universal Century to work with from the Expanded One Year War events and series set parallel to the Original Mobile Suit Gundam Anime. And that's BEFORE you get into 0080, Zeta, Double Zeta, Char's Counter Attack, Unicorn etc...
G-Gundam: THIS HAND OF MINE BURNS WITH AN AWESOME POWER
Build: Wow, Cool Robot!
Iron-Blooded Orphans: Actually, being a child soldier is fine, I don't care anymore.
UC NT: So you see... we put the brain of a little girl with psychic powers, inside a prototype of a thing that is capable of enhancing said powers, who knows how much!
.... Hey why is it moving on its own?...
...except that star wars also has deep lore too lol
Well only in the legends, not the movies though
fans there's also extended lore for the disney canon, which, isnt as good but still has interesting stuff in it
The mandalorian, clone wars, and rebels are SOLID stories that extend lore