@@FlareIsGoneyeah i really like this idea for a video, the core set is such a good idea and i think they do a mostly good job on it, but there are some picks that they really fumbled by missing
the sludge cards seeing how they dodged the hate of tome tampering nerf thanks to soul barrage being awful even tho they ended also contributing to the combo
sludge cards weren't in the game when tome tampering was banned from wild? And malch imp existed for a full expansion with tome before soul barrage was printed and was fine.
@@FlareIsGone sorry flare i wasnt clear enough my english isnt that good I do agree on the malch imp but i always heard a lot of people bitching about thag combo but thats why i edited out since yeah it was honestly that bad Tho sludge cards also kinda contributed a bit into the combo later not refering the ban but more to the fact that they followed the awful design of soul barrage and combined with tome tampering it was a annoying to deal with (tho not as much present since naga dh was more popular) but i find dumb how you could get silver moon arcanist into tome tampering to just discard a bunch of sludges and soul barrages to end the game Ngl i think badlands was the stupid combos expansión for me as a standard player
@@unaffectedbycardeffects9152 Sire is basically an updated C'thun. But better, because the deck construction is less restrictive and less likely to get powercrept. So fun, of course they had to nerf it
@@pierrecourtois5167 I know. I love playing sire. I just don't see any particularly strong deck in wild playing it even after being reverted, which means that it should be reverted
@@pierrecourtois5167 Deck construction is definitely restrictive. You need tokens and a decent engine to have it in hand. The only class that can really exploit is is Druid but Druid has fundamental issues that needs fixing.
I don't care one bit about Bloons soundtrack being there or not. But this is honestly the best Hearthstone content to binge on I ever experienced. (a Hearthstone player who started in 2016 and managed to stop in 2024)
I still instinctively roll my eyes whenever I see Snowfall Guardian. Whoever thought that card was even remotely balanced in its original state needs to be moved to a different developement team lol
Warsong Commander shouldn't really be a contender here. It was nerfed from giving all minions charge in Beta. They've never reverted any card to a state it was in the Beta or Alpha, since those can't be really considered "nerfs" more like behind-the-scenes adjustments before the game was released. The current version is the original version it was from launch until TGT.
I wanted to talk about warsong commander it was literally the whole point of the video :( I didn't want to just talk about beta cards since I've never once actually heard people talk about it so I did the next best thing
I think tome tampering nerf instead of soul barage happend because they knew that thay are going to add more "bonus when discarded" cards and wanted to keep in check "discard all hand" cards, becouse they will be problematic in general in the future.
Wasn’t odd demon hunter pretty strong at different times in wild? I remember hitting legend with it, or was it more of a tier 3 deck that I got lucky with?
Snowfall is pretty meh without the buff. Could just be 5 mana 3/3 in a vacuum. But noooo Shudderwock has to exist and limit card design so we get these cool battlecry cards like the murlocs that can't be used because of it.
Hey, really enjoyed the video. As a new player its interesting to see old cards and I wanted to suggest adding the unnerfed version of the card to better understand the video. You could add red marks on the new card to show the changes from the old card. Keep the great content.
It feels like blizzard just tries to create decks for each expansion instead of creating support for existing archetypes now a-days. What ends up happening every time is the devs freak out when there’s an “unexpected interaction” with an existing card and the game breaks. If they are always going with this “new expansion archetypes” system, they’re always going to be ignoring the problems in the design phase.
Yes, Illucia needed to be nerfed, but only the aggro potential in denying your opponent the ability to play cards. So if it swapped only until the end of your turn, it wouldn't be broken. It would be a good anti-combo card, but at 3 mana, as you said, it would be strong but not broken.
I posted on the Hearthstone forum yesterday regarding the missed opportunities of their patch releases. We have so many cards that just sit there. Why give me a Hunter legendary from Whizbang that's unplayable beyond gold? Make your cards playable.... 3 changes in a patch is just...
they’ve nerfed around ice block so much that mage would be genuine ass if ice block was nerfed by now (with no reverts which we can expect bc blizzard). maybe hero power mage lives, but that deck lowk relies on ice block more than anything else to keep opponent hostage lol it just saves you like 3-5 card slots you’d have to spend on survivability otherwise
The thing about Ice Block is that it simply polarizes matchups. Meaning that it either shuts you down or it does nothing and you die anyway. Because of its existence, the class is basically forced to use it due to it affecting the design of the class for such a long time. They would need a lot of buffs to previous cards and even new cards to help them stabilize in Wild. I'm surprised we haven't gotten freeze sorc yet. The arcane one is pretty strong but freeze would basically help them create new decks. Fire is the most dangerous one due to Ignite being a thing.
I mean cariel is not even that good against other late games decks since uther is the most reliable wincon, but having it to 7 would still be cool against aggros if you still didn't win by turn 7 or against some burn decks like mage or druid even if they have the drink.
@@FlareIsGone And don't get me wrong is not that good of a wincon like raza in priest or shudder in shaman but it's the best one that paladin have. Shiervallah rn is actually impossible to pull off.
@@edo2622 yeah the problem is it sucks, like its the only option increasing a 0% winrate to like 10-20% is nice and all but uther still just sucks balls man idk. I'd rather just concede a 10% winrate matchup than run a card that very rarely actually helps win since i'm favored to lose anyway.
@@FlareIsGone Yeah and it's still a better wincon than a 7 mana cariel. The weapon is useless, i would rather put 3 cards in my deck for a control mu and have a chance of winning instead of nothing. And sure the combo is not good like in other control decks but if it's the only one you have to play it since you'll instalose all the control mirrors.
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I understand the error of my ways and want to thank you for bringing the Bloons TD OST back.
Stockholm syndrome
I've literally never changed the music
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you should do a video with cards that you think should be in the core, especially legendaries
Yeah I was thinking of something like this, core set is legit so useless
Bring cho to it 😢
@@FlareIsGoneyeah i really like this idea for a video, the core set is such a good idea and i think they do a mostly good job on it, but there are some picks that they really fumbled by missing
@FlareIsGone what's your thoughts about them changing and updating core multiple times a year so it's less bad.
@@Arcticfox030 thats what they promised to do thats the crazy part
the sludge cards seeing how they dodged the hate of tome tampering nerf thanks to soul barrage being awful even tho they ended also contributing to the combo
sludge cards weren't in the game when tome tampering was banned from wild? And malch imp existed for a full expansion with tome before soul barrage was printed and was fine.
@@FlareIsGone sorry flare i wasnt clear enough my english isnt that good
I do agree on the malch imp but i always heard a lot of people bitching about thag combo but thats why i edited out since yeah it was honestly that bad
Tho sludge cards also kinda contributed a bit into the combo later not refering the ban but more to the fact that they followed the awful design of soul barrage and combined with tome tampering it was a annoying to deal with (tho not as much present since naga dh was more popular) but i find dumb how you could get silver moon arcanist into tome tampering to just discard a bunch of sludges and soul barrages to end the game
Ngl i think badlands was the stupid combos expansión for me as a standard player
“Lightforged Cariel is the Ice Block of Paladin”
Time Out crying in the corner 😢
This video could just be all about the demon hunter class
harpoon gooning
Thinking about Guff and OG Celestial Alignment spiked my blood pressure
Anything Druid makes my blood boil
A bit disappointed you didn't talk about neutrals at all. I miss playing Denathrius :'(
Give it back. What are you gonna play it in that is going to be too strong because of sire?
@@unaffectedbycardeffects9152 Sire is basically an updated C'thun. But better, because the deck construction is less restrictive and less likely to get powercrept. So fun, of course they had to nerf it
@@pierrecourtois5167 I know. I love playing sire. I just don't see any particularly strong deck in wild playing it even after being reverted, which means that it should be reverted
@@unaffectedbycardeffects9152idk why blizzard doesnt wanna allow ppl to play their weak but silly lil cards
@@pierrecourtois5167 Deck construction is definitely restrictive. You need tokens and a decent engine to have it in hand. The only class that can really exploit is is Druid but Druid has fundamental issues that needs fixing.
Solo carrying the hearthstone community like forge of wills in warlock for that one format. My 🐐
Put respect on other hearth tubers
@@NxthingButAMxnster nah
@@buddhatraveleroftheburning4102 glazer
Rarran is up there
@@buddhatraveleroftheburning4102 objectively speaking, lt eddy, zeddy, rarran, even chundo and other hearthtubers get a lot more views
Hunter has Bargin Bin and that goblin that can tutor weapons now.
I don't care one bit about Bloons soundtrack being there or not.
But this is honestly the best Hearthstone content to binge on I ever experienced.
(a Hearthstone player who started in 2016 and managed to stop in 2024)
Should've included Dreadsteed
I still instinctively roll my eyes whenever I see Snowfall Guardian. Whoever thought that card was even remotely balanced in its original state needs to be moved to a different developement team lol
I miss altrius so bad.
I loved the OG demon hunter play style, dealing 1 damage to a bunch of stuff over and over again was so satisfying
This is how I found out Warsong Commander got reverted
Warsong Commander shouldn't really be a contender here. It was nerfed from giving all minions charge in Beta. They've never reverted any card to a state it was in the Beta or Alpha, since those can't be really considered "nerfs" more like behind-the-scenes adjustments before the game was released.
The current version is the original version it was from launch until TGT.
I wanted to talk about warsong commander it was literally the whole point of the video :(
I didn't want to just talk about beta cards since I've never once actually heard people talk about it so I did the next best thing
I think tome tampering nerf instead of soul barage happend because they knew that thay are going to add more "bonus when discarded" cards and wanted to keep in check "discard all hand" cards, becouse they will be problematic in general in the future.
The btd 6 music absolutely rocks, keep it up!
Wasn’t odd demon hunter pretty strong at different times in wild? I remember hitting legend with it, or was it more of a tier 3 deck that I got lucky with?
it was kinda ok at best for a little while and good on launch but thats kinda it
Snowfall Guardian was initially 3/3 not 5/5, still makes it really strong though.
Snowfall is pretty meh without the buff. Could just be 5 mana 3/3 in a vacuum. But noooo Shudderwock has to exist and limit card design so we get these cool battlecry cards like the murlocs that can't be used because of it.
"revert shockspitter"
Me: kill it harder, make it 11 mana if possible
Upset by the fact that there is no neutral cards in the video because I miss my 2 mana 3/4 watch post :(
Upset by the fact that there is no neutral cards mentioned I miss my 2 mana 3/4 far watch post :(
Hey, really enjoyed the video. As a new player its interesting to see old cards and I wanted to suggest adding the unnerfed version of the card to better understand the video. You could add red marks on the new card to show the changes from the old card. Keep the great content.
I’d love to see a “mechanics that are in other games but not in Hearthstone” video. It’s time to learn about a possible Naxx C
Some of these should be reverted but we absolutely should get Theotar back. I refuse to play seriously until we get it back.
It’d be kinda cool if they made ice block legendary and made it once per game
dude imagine if stheno still had 2 attack
scythe dh with aranna to get silvermoon brochure
literally peak
It feels like blizzard just tries to create decks for each expansion instead of creating support for existing archetypes now a-days. What ends up happening every time is the devs freak out when there’s an “unexpected interaction” with an existing card and the game breaks. If they are always going with this “new expansion archetypes” system, they’re always going to be ignoring the problems in the design phase.
Yes, Illucia needed to be nerfed, but only the aggro potential in denying your opponent the ability to play cards. So if it swapped only until the end of your turn, it wouldn't be broken. It would be a good anti-combo card, but at 3 mana, as you said, it would be strong but not broken.
I might I played a match against you earlier today, it was a warlock named Flare against my weapon rogue. was a fun match.
If you ever queue into "me" playing warlock it's 99% of the time not me I hate that shit class
Revert celestial alignment :)
This cant be reverted but all control tools can.
I posted on the Hearthstone forum yesterday regarding the missed opportunities of their patch releases. We have so many cards that just sit there. Why give me a Hunter legendary from Whizbang that's unplayable beyond gold? Make your cards playable.... 3 changes in a patch is just...
Idk if you take reccomendations for videos lol, but i thought about "a powerpoint about shuffle effects"
There's like 3 cards ever that have mattered about shuffling
Well theres plagues, bombs, soul fragments, jades, ignite, and also there's the primes. But thats fair @@FlareIsGone
I miss shockspitter so much
Illucia could definitely come back, surely there is enough power creep to allow for that. What could go wrong.
What could possibly go wrong with giving an aggro deck time warp for 3 mana?
* 2mana time warp
Surely nothing bad would happen
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I love powerpoints
Hash i missed you, the videos didnt get recommended anymore
they’ve nerfed around ice block so much that mage would be genuine ass if ice block was nerfed by now (with no reverts which we can expect bc blizzard). maybe hero power mage lives, but that deck lowk relies on ice block more than anything else to keep opponent hostage lol
it just saves you like 3-5 card slots you’d have to spend on survivability otherwise
If the other nerfs were reverted and only block was nerfed mage would suck imo (unless we got 2 mana sorc that would be tier 0 even without block)
The thing about Ice Block is that it simply polarizes matchups. Meaning that it either shuts you down or it does nothing and you die anyway. Because of its existence, the class is basically forced to use it due to it affecting the design of the class for such a long time. They would need a lot of buffs to previous cards and even new cards to help them stabilize in Wild.
I'm surprised we haven't gotten freeze sorc yet. The arcane one is pretty strong but freeze would basically help them create new decks. Fire is the most dangerous one due to Ignite being a thing.
i like the monkey music
Flare i request you to check out bionic door's hs designs.
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snowfall was 3/3 not 5/5
I mean cariel is not even that good against other late games decks since uther is the most reliable wincon, but having it to 7 would still be cool against aggros if you still didn't win by turn 7 or against some burn decks like mage or druid even if they have the drink.
uther is awful and you don't actually want to be running it if you're seriously trying to win the game
@@FlareIsGone How are you winning vs a Reno deck then?
@@FlareIsGone And don't get me wrong is not that good of a wincon like raza in priest or shudder in shaman but it's the best one that paladin have. Shiervallah rn is actually impossible to pull off.
@@edo2622 yeah the problem is it sucks, like its the only option increasing a 0% winrate to like 10-20% is nice and all but uther still just sucks balls man idk. I'd rather just concede a 10% winrate matchup than run a card that very rarely actually helps win since i'm favored to lose anyway.
@@FlareIsGone Yeah and it's still a better wincon than a 7 mana cariel. The weapon is useless, i would rather put 3 cards in my deck for a control mu and have a chance of winning instead of nothing. And sure the combo is not good like in other control decks but if it's the only one you have to play it since you'll instalose all the control mirrors.
I play mill druid in wild specifically because it pisses people off, and in _spite_ of the nerfs, it still does pretty well and remains degenerate.
Day 1 asking Flare to put timestamps in his videos
Anyone got source for that demon hunter snake girl gif?
I think it's from Monster Musume
Miia from Monster Musume
Thanks ❤
Sire Denathrius was the most powerful 10-Cost card
A bit too long, i think splitting it into 2 parts would be better
Snowfall guardian was 3/3 not 5/5
no one commented it yet but yeah I realized after saying it lol