There's something else that I feel is worth mentioning. In the intro video, the Silver Knight seen drawing his silver knight straight sword to challenge the dragon is very clearly left handed. The only character in all of Dark Souls that is universally accepted as left handed is Knight Artorias. This would also mean that at least Artorias and probably also Ornstein were silver knights before they distinguished themselves, and I also find it likely that Ciaran was the captain of the Lord's Blades, Ornstein commanded the spear Silver Knights, Gough commanded the Dragonslayer Greatbow artillery, and Artorias lead the straight sword Silver Knights before he was lost to the Abyss and Gough retired, putting all Silver Knights under the command of Dragonslayer Ornstein. Just an interesting thought.
***** Yeah, that's the problem with Dark Souls lore, everything is speculation. Makes for some jolly good fun putting it all together, though. But as a counterpoint, it makes sense that the Old Dragonslayer literally IS Dragonslayer Ornstein, brought back by some kind of dark power. He has a very similar attack pattern to Ornstein, and uses the same weapon and armor, but uses darkness instead of lightning. This could mean that his soul fell into the possession of another, who used a hex to bring him back. This would explain his altered appearance and dark magic. Another interesting theory I stumbled on is that the Ornstein at Anor Londo is an illusion generated by Gwyndolin. The Giant Lords fled Anor Londo, and Gwynevere could have come to Drangleic, in which case Ornstein would have come with her as her protector (the giants at the the Tower of Flame also look suspiciously like worn out Sentinels). Given that Artorias was corrupted by the Abyss and also gained an alternate appearance and power over dark magic, Ornstein could have succumb to the Abyss as well, making the Old Dragonslayer. After Ornstein absorbs Smough, he gets much larger with his massive increase in power, so the fact that the Old Dragonslayer is bigger than base Ornstein could mean that absorbing Abyss power also made him bigger and stronger. Regardless, while it's possible that Ornstein and the Old Dragonslayer could have both been captains of the spear knights, it's also extremely likely that they're the same person.
I'm not actually convinced that Artorias was really left handed, he isn't on the box art for prepare to die and the chosen undead and do this special moves without the sword being left handed in DS1. That being said, that is a really cool theory on some added detail in the opening cutscene, I'm just not sure since the left handed thing left more like a retconned detail in DS2 DLC no less
I disagree with you, it's pretty agreed that Artorias was left handed from the minute players got to fight him and begin to put details together. You use his sword right-handed in DS1 because the game wouldn't let you do otherwise. And while Artorias may or may not be the one on the original cover, no other character in DS was left-handed, and the armor the person is wearing doesn't match any in-game set, which is why it's thought that the cover represents Artorias entering the Abyss in New Londo for the first time, before he got his Abysswalker title (and likely new armor). I just feel like if they went out of their way to make a left-handed silver-knight in the intro, it's probably significant lore-wise.
Enzar17 I just don't follow. Sure Artorias had to be right handed because the game made him but that just means he is right handed. I can see no in game evidence than he is anything but. if you can show me these forums and discussion I would love to scroll through them. But here is where my big issue is anyway. The majestic greatsword in DS2 has a special moveset if you use it left handed as keeping with the mythos of DS. All cool, i could even go with Artorias being left handed. If that is the case then how does Artorias have access to the left handed moveset while using the sword right handed? The obvious answer, to me at least, is in DS1 they made his moveset then new director for DS2 they ignored logic to add a cool lore tidbit and it made a plot hole
Oh god..this video hit me right in the damn feels....-sobs- poor four knights...... Ornstein, pride and strength of a Lion, defending the source of his pride until his last breath, yet he goes down with no regrets in his heart, honour being maintained until the last moment. Gough, eyes of a hawk, his gaze pieces all, choosing to spend his final days creating many things, hope (when he removes Kalameet's flying advantage) works of art, learned from a dear old friend. Artorias, agile and strong as the wolf, always choosing to fight against whatever dangers the world through at him, even after his corruption as he still hunts down Abyss tainted humans of Oolacile . Lastly Ciaran, striking with the speed and accuracy of Hornet's, always with love in her heart for the one person she placed above all others but never revealing her emotions, until fate ultimately plunges a dagger into her chances, executing them with out mercy. Excuse me while I go cry manly tears of over whelming emotions.
Also Ornstein is much sadder than that. He is stuck defending an illusion of the princess along with an executioner so disgusting, he is unfit to be a knight. His captain who he has taken so much inspiration from has abandoned him and he is doomed to die at the hand of a lowly undead.
Furvius Garfield I have a few problems with that theory, one being that when you touch ornstein, he doesn’t disappear like Gwynevere. Also, when you go to where the nameless king resides and where Ornstein armor lays, you get there by meditating. Usually when you go anywhere far away, you’re taken by something, however you’re given no explanation as to how you got there, you drift off, hear a screeching noise after the screen fades to black, and then you’re all of a sudden just there. That couples with the strange physics there like ringing the bell making a rainstorm with solid clouds and whatnot makes it seem sorta like a dream, and ringing the bell turns it into a nightmare. Maybe it connects back to Oscars words in dark souls 1 “when thou ringth the bell of awakening, the fate of the undead thou shalt know”.
44theshadow i haven't fought artorias yet but i was happy the boss fight ended, but i killed ornstein last so i could cosplay and i don't want ornstein to be brutalized by smough when ornstein dies
iDisturbedDemon I wonder what they thought when they started to make Dark souls. "Hey guys, Let's make a game that is really hard and let's make it really depressive!"
I think that Ornstein and Gough earned their honors in the Dragon War, after Gough and his archers ground the dragons Orstein and his spear-men then finish the dragons with their lightning spears. As for Artorias and Ciaran, they most likely earned their honors in the Occult Rebellion, with Artorias leading the loyalist vanguard and Ciaran leading the loyalist spooks that assassinated the mortal leaders of the rebels.
This has be my favorite lore in all of the dark souls franchise(is that right, I dont know XD). But, good job explaining the breif lore on the four knights. Keep up the good work.
Most of the four knights have silver knights that brandish their weapons: spear, sword, and greatbow. Ciaran, however doesn't have a silver knight counterpart. Maybe she does have a group of assassins, but they were not repurposed as knights after she passed on. What if the Lord's Blades happened to change attire after Ciaran left and took up the role of the painted guardians. The painted guardians seem to mirror Ciaran's use of 2 short swords and they move like assassins unlike any other enemy in Anor Londo. There is no connection to between the painted guardians and the Lord's Blades, but I found it odd that they Ciaran wouldn't have some followers if all the other knights still had them.
+GoldenPhoenix497 Actually that's a good point...while the other knights all retain essentially the exact same arms and training they had, just re-purposed, and they likely would have remembered/been taught their original functions since they are similar... It is said that the painting guardians have long forgotten why they guard the painting. If the Lord's Blades participated in the original quelling of the Occult rebellion, and the remnants of it being subsequently sealed in the painting, then it's quite feasible that, having no further purpose as assassins, they were tasked with guarding the painting. That is a function quite different from sneaking about in the night, assassinating threats, as you now have to be visible deterrents against a stationary location being trespassed on. It seems reasonable that over time the descendants would have forgotten the reason for their strange martial arts movements, which no longer serve much function in terrifying people with flashing colored sheen's from the blades, but are still effective at striking enemies down swiftly. Likewise, they probably had new weapons more suited to a Guardian role instead of assassins role created, given that you never find a similar weapon to the Tracers.
+Zetro Hermit Also note the ivory ponytail shared by both Painting Guardians and Ciaran. I think it's fairly safe to say that the Painting Guardians were an offshoot of the Lord's Blades.
+Lobster with Mustard and Rice I know, right? I like his vids UCH better than that Silver guy. He just rambles on and on and doesn't even edit out his many bloopers.
Am I the only one who wants to see the battle with dragons vs those four knights, like a opening cinematic which would showcase it clearly. That would be so awesome.
FROM SOFTWARE needs to make a show or movie trilogy about finding the lord souls, fighting with the dragons, and linking the fire for the first time. Right now, if you would sirs.
Im not sure if the four Knights really have or need a Leader. It seems to be more like Gwyn's Knights are all Leaders of the different Groups. Ornstein is the Leader of the Royal Guard, Artorias is the Leader of the Silver Knights who fought the darkness but lost at the very end, even though they managed to slow its advance, Gough is obviously the Leader of the Archers and Ciaran is Gwyn's Assassin. Like a Warcouncil or something. x..x
Are we on the same schedule or something? I'm working on my "Abysswalker" video right now which will touch base on the four knights. Anyway, another interesting video Dave. Although I don't believe Gough is in retirement like many people think. When he says "I'm luck to be alive," I think he's actually referring to not being executed (by smough) for a treason of some sort. He is locked away in the tower above a ticking timebomb (Oolacile's Abyss) and all of his carvings say he's imprisoned.
The Sif boss fight... So much tragedy in only one place Artorias was certanly the strongest of the knights, and the wolf represents that '' lone wolf '' status were he would be sent on missions alone that only him, unmatched with a greatsword and with an unbendable will of steel, would be able to accomplish.
@@mightyshady1016 you're a captain doesn't mean you're stronger than other members. Maybe in the great war, Ornstein killed more dragon than anyone in Four Knights
DAMN. The attention to the tiniest details in Dark Souls is just mind boggling. From Soft, you guys rock. Very very few developers focus so much attention on the smallest of details to make the game feel more immerse and complete. (Bethesda's Elder Scrolls series is another good example)
Inkredeble mmo you would actually be surprised on how many secrets the elder scrolls hold,so dont just mention 1 elder scroll game and think you are done if you want proof go watch some of MrRhexx's lore videos and see how many things you can find out
I would say that during the war against the dragons only Ornstein and Gough became knights and because nobody likes giants Ornstein was the leader. I think that Artorias and Cirian became knights during the Occult Rebellion, because their items never mention dragon slaying and also a greatsword and daggers seem a bit ineffective against dragons with stone scales, but they are good weapons against human size enemies. Also, the Occult Rebellion wasn't just yesterday so there was enough time to forge the band of friendship between them. Also I think that Ornsteins "superpower" wasn't just his great skill with lightning. His ability to increase his size would be pretty useful against large enemies. Think about fighting Kalameet or Ancient Dragon, but you would be as huge as Super Ornstein. It would be a lot easier to kill them right?
I find it likely that Ornstein, after everyone left Anor Londo and he alone was there to protect the illusion of Gwynewere and the Lord Vessel, he bestowed a shard of his soul to Smough and that he's actually smaller when Smough is alive rather than his normal size, which can be seen with super Ornstein.
OkamiXCeleste I don't know where but there is an item description saying Artorias does extra damage against Darkwraiths. He clearly was there keeping the Darkwraiths at bay before New Londo was flooded. Whether New Londo and Oolacile were happening at the same time is up for debate
Ah... Good ol' "YOU DEFEATED!". I love your videos man. Recently discovered your channel. I love all lore videos from various youtubers. I found myself good night stories for weeks! :D
Discussing Gough's band of archers, one of the people you kill in Darkroot Garden is an archer wearing a small hat, the description says it was worn by all of Gough's archers, sort of like a Robin Hood style hat which is cool
That must be heart breaking killing dragons, slaying beasts worthy of the title "everlasting" and then being killed by a midget with bad dress sense, just because you're getting old, damn talk about insult to injury....
Haha - I looked at your schedule and was like: NO! I MUST BEAT HIM OUT! HIS VIDEOS ARE TOO GOOD! I kinda looked on Artorias as a part of a whole as opposed to focusing on him, so they'll definitely be different. :) Great point about Gough being imprisoned. Weird he'd be imprisoned with his Great Bow, though.
Anyone else think the four knights are similar to the four archangels from Supernatural (not sure if they are the same in the actual Bible)? With Ornstein being Michael since he is the most loyal and carries on serving Gwyn even after he leaves. Artorias as Lucifer since he is corrupted by darkness. And Gough and Ciaran being interchangeable with Gabriel and Raphael (although I lean towards Gough being Gabriel because he retires before Ciaran, and Gabriel hid from his brothers).
I always figured Ornstein was just the -Captain of the Guard- rather than the -Captain of the Four Knights- since it seems that the other knights took orders from Gwyn himself rather than Ornstein, particularly in the case of Ciaran who appears to largely be acting on her own goals rather than working under either Ornstein or Gwyn.
Ciaran was part of a group of assassins called the Lord's blade ( which is where she gets her title) and directly work under Gwyn even being known as Gwyn's shadow.
"A helm crafted especially for the honorable Hawkeye Gough, only the eye holes were packed with tree resin by those who dismissed Gough as a brutish giant." - There really is nothing to go off of, other than this (and that you can see the resin in there). You could be right! I tend to believe that he has taken off his helmet... at some point in his life after this event, but who knows, really.
I feel so sad for the destiny of the 4 knights of Gwyn. After the days during the war against the dragons, they had no use anymore and was droped like old toys. Except for Artorias who was sent on a suicide mission too stop the abyss. Either they die by the choosen undeads hand or by something else... I always bow before them in game, just to give them the respect they deserve
I feel like it's supposed to represent the emotions you'll go through as a player fighting Kalameet. At least, those were the emotions I went through my first time fighting Kalameet. (Especially since it was New Game+ with a mid-build and I was trying to cut off his tail).
When Gough was shown in the video as a Giant, I instantly thought of the giant atop the tower in the Undead Settlement in Dark Souls 3. Just a thought, but could the giant sniper be a friend of Gough as well, considering he has the Hawk Ring?
Actually, I really like this thought. I'd thought of "believed" as just being something where people forgot overtime, but that's a really interesting idea!
remembers me of my old squad back in the early days of warframe a clan of 4 but the game changed each one leaving the game now.... I remain still playing missing my old friends
Yes - I predicted the time travel thing in my DaS2 lore speculation video. :) Okay - I see who you're talking about now. (The character that pops out of the Mirror shield). I played the E3 build of the game... at E3 (which this is based off of). (And have a video about playing it). The mirror knight shoots out basic enemies when you fight him - OR - it shoots out PvP players to come fight you during the boss battle. The normal enemies it spews out doesn't look like that.
7:15 Ahh so THAT is what falling into the Abyss looks like. I always got confused because I pictured the spreading Abyss to be like walking into your house and finding a dark corner in an otherwise illuminated room, and Artorias and Wolnir slipping on banana peels or something and falling in. My mistake is probably because reaching it in New Londo consists of you waltzing down the stairs, and the corner of the room is dark, and you walk in and enter the black expanse. But that raises the new question: how the Abyss spreads without actually "spreading" over the land, how high levels of humanity just sneak out of the bushes at Artorias, and what causes that dark corner to appear in the first place?
He probably realizes that, with the Lordvessel in hand, it will be the quickest way for the Chosen Undead to contact him if they haven't been taken in by Frampt yet. That's probably the only reason he tolerates its presence in the Abyss. Why he doesn't get rid of it if you have spoken to Frampt, I have no idea. I don't know, why do these bonfires appear out on nowhere when they didn't exist in the area when the boss was alive?
The four knights are basically an adventuring party. The poise-heavy Artorias serves as a tank, while Ornstein works as the damage dealer with his spear. The crit-striking Ciaran takes advantage of their enemies' weak points to do even more damage. And finally, Gough provides supporting fire.
Hey DaveControlLive! What do you think of Ornstein showing up in DS2 as the Old Dragonslayer. I think that ultimately proves that Ornstein and Smough were illusions created by Gwyndolin. Of course, you do receive Ornstein's soul if you slay Smough first, but I think that just has to be a game mechanic of rewarding a player after facing one of the most difficult boss fights...ever.
By that same logic, one could easily say that all of the NPC's are illusions. Nearly every character with any form of dialogue does not leave a corpse when it dies. There's a very specific difference between a one-of-a-kind item, and something that was mass-produced for the guards of Anor Londo. The Rings are specifically unique, serving as the mark of Gwyn's Four. The Lordvessel is specific as well, but mainly because it's a tool of the Chosen. It has to be controlled, the Rings, are not.
Maybe Ornstein was despited by Ciaran, Gough and Artorias and maybe Ornstein was asked to come with the knights to Oolacile but he was afraid of it and therefore stayed home, but as he was defending the throne he felt lonely and asked smough to help him and maybe he was afraid of dying by the chosen undead
Another theory: Ornstein is the supposed captain of the Four Knights, because he was the only one left by the time you slay him. Perhaps Artorias was the captain, but when the other three died Ornstein just claimed the title (noone in Anor Londo could tell otherwise). Smough maybe knew about it which is why he is so eager to smash Ornstein even though he's twitching.
You mean the two you fight in the main hall, after exiting the area where you fought Ornstein and Smough? I had always assumed they were Blades of the Darkmoon. After joining them and talking to the firekeeper of Anor Londo, she says something along the lines of "So, thou hast joined our ranks?" I took that to mean that there were other Blades in Anor Londo, and that those were them. I guess there's no reason why an illusion couldn't make them appear to be Orn and Smough though.
I don't think the Chosen Undead really kill anyone, even Artorias...it is because of the bonfires. Who place bonfires in ancient Oolacile? Not only bonfires used to warp between bonfires but through ages also? I think everything the Chosen Undead are facing are just memories that materialized, illusions created by someone...
Hey Dave, look back at the Leo ring. If you look close to the image, it seems as though the lion has an odd tail, one that seems to be representing a snake. I'm just saying this because I want to know how Ornstein can fuse with Smough and vise versa. Maybe Ornstein is more than just a (demi)god. Maybe he had another ability in tow that we may have missed.
awesome lore, Dave! always loved your videos especially this one. Poor guys of Gwyn, had to kill them to beat the game :( But I think they are all very amazing in their own own ways, but Ornstein takes the cake from me XD
the key is the rings. While yes, they could easily be moved after the wearer died, it's unlikely. From a storytelling standpoint, the rings are meant to brand the character as being one of the four knights. They all appear near the character who was supposed to own them, and Ornstein's is the only one we directly recieve from the character.
Yeah, it's just the description that The Bed of Chaos was "the mother of ALL demons"... implying that it would include the Titanite Demons (who are the only non-chaos seeming demons in the game).
I think the lion's tail end is just that hairy part of the end of a lion's tail? Although - Ornstein and Smough's absorption abilities are quite interesting. The question is - is it a gameplay mechanic or is there some true lore behind it? I wonder if it's a matter of they absorb souls differently than an Undead would? Each contain a "special Soul" - so perhaps that's why.
He was probably imprisoned by the humans of Oolacile who, after being convinced by one of the serpents, turned on Gwyn and his following. They might have given him wood to do something to pass the time.
It's far more likely that Gough was not blind and that he thought he had gone blind when the eye holes of his helmet were stuffed with resin. Whilst his skills without sight are formidable I imagine that they were far better when he could see. Don't forget that he is old and that it wouldn't be too much of a shock to him if he went blind in his sleep.
Actually, the voice actor who voices Gough pronounces it "Gof", which is why I pronounced it that way. As far as the eyeholes and his blindness, you could be right, but that's purely an interpretation. There's nowhere the implicitly says either thing.
I'm sure they support the flames, just as they support Lord Gwyn. They've been fighting on Gwyn's side who is trying to postpone the Age of Fire, so I think they look at the flames as a positive thing.
That might be Artorias in the into of the game holding the sword in his left hand. (His armor looks similar.) This might conform that he helped with the dragon hunts. But if that's true there is also the fact that he was left handed before but then lost the use at one point. Maybe to the dragons, maybe to the abyss. What do you think?
Has anyone else made a link to the emotions Gough lists and the four knights? To me, Ornstein represents pride quite clearly, but the other three are less clear-cut. I feel that Artorias may be the most rageful of the four, which could be what allowed him to be tainted in the first place, and Ciaran could be exhilaration, or hatred. It's debatable which, because she does seem to hold ill feelings towards humans. Which leaves Gough to represent either of the last two. Both can be applied to him
Here's an idea: the Occult followers became a very large group. Gwyn of course didn't want them to take over, so O&S were to protect Anor Londo from being invaded by the occultists. Smough was perfect for the job (with his cruel behaviour he probably scared off a lot of occultists) but his cruelty couldn't be ignored so he was not seen as one of Gwyn's elite. After the Age of Fire began, Gwyn's Four no longer had jobs except to maintain Gwyn's power (ie fight off the Abyss). That's my opinion...
I wonder what artorios, Ciaran, and gough thought of ornstein because the game never really describes what they thought of him, did they like him like a friend or did they not get along well
(sorry for my english) I think that Ornstein was very loyal to Gwyn, and he doesn't care about the other knights. This makes him the most trusted knight of the four and because of this Gwyn make Orny to be leader of the others.
I see Orn as the ambitious leader, Art as his rival/greatest supporter, Cia as Art's love, possibly fought over by both Orn and Art, which could've caused a rift to open up that, if you want to be really depressing, wasn't resolved before Art was corrupted, and Gough is just... Well... Gough.
I can imagine Orenstein feeling bitter about the rest of the knights, probably after Artorias left he felt the need to be even better than the others to compensate for their lost ally. And when he gets called in to protect and he just see's everyone doing nothing (Gough), feeling sorry (Cia) he just says: "You are all unfit of being called the knights of Gwyn" then just secludes himself, probably letting Smough execute people so he wouldn't bother him. The rest of the knights would see him as a sad figure, trying to fill a void in his heart. That's what I thing atleast.
TIME TO DROP SOME MORE LORE: in dark souls 3, 1 item in specific says smough was the only 1 to stay guard at the cathedral in anor londo meaning that ornstein was only a small peice of his soul or yet another illusion by gwyndolin and in dark souls 3 you also see ornsteins spear and armour by the bell to join the dragon covenent meaning he wanted to find the nameless king and join the dragon covenant and it is also thought that the storm drake the nameless king is riding on is ornstein himself it would make sense though because its a storm drake and ornstein used a lightning themed spear but even if that is him he still dies anyways Also you don't pick his armour up by a corpse
Nah, you fight a Berenike Knight (the super big guy with the Tower shield) and Ricard the Archer. (I'm assuming one of these two guys is who you're thinking of - probably Ricard).
The weird thing about Titanite Demons is that... they're demons. But they're so different from any of the chaos demons we see! I'm honestly pretty stumped about them. Why are they everywhere and why were they created from Titanite Slabs? They were born from a blacksmith deity passing away... but demons? They are similar in stance for sure, but I'm not sure. Seems coincidence... but maybe that's how the deity died? More importantly, I wish they dropped Titanite Slabs instead of Demon Titanite.
Just my speculation but I think Ornstein and smough are just part of the illusion created by gwyndolin. After killing gwynevere we will see 1 knight of berenike and 1 baldur knight which has similar moveset to ornstein and smough. It would be strange that a baldur knight would make it in anor londo, could it be Knight king rendall? I have no idea of the Knight in Heavy armor though.
There's something else that I feel is worth mentioning. In the intro video, the Silver Knight seen drawing his silver knight straight sword to challenge the dragon is very clearly left handed. The only character in all of Dark Souls that is universally accepted as left handed is Knight Artorias. This would also mean that at least Artorias and probably also Ornstein were silver knights before they distinguished themselves, and I also find it likely that Ciaran was the captain of the Lord's Blades, Ornstein commanded the spear Silver Knights, Gough commanded the Dragonslayer Greatbow artillery, and Artorias lead the straight sword Silver Knights before he was lost to the Abyss and Gough retired, putting all Silver Knights under the command of Dragonslayer Ornstein. Just an interesting thought.
you know i agree with that thanks for pointing it out
***** Yeah, that's the problem with Dark Souls lore, everything is speculation. Makes for some jolly good fun putting it all together, though. But as a counterpoint, it makes sense that the Old Dragonslayer literally IS Dragonslayer Ornstein, brought back by some kind of dark power. He has a very similar attack pattern to Ornstein, and uses the same weapon and armor, but uses darkness instead of lightning. This could mean that his soul fell into the possession of another, who used a hex to bring him back. This would explain his altered appearance and dark magic. Another interesting theory I stumbled on is that the Ornstein at Anor Londo is an illusion generated by Gwyndolin. The Giant Lords fled Anor Londo, and Gwynevere could have come to Drangleic, in which case Ornstein would have come with her as her protector (the giants at the the Tower of Flame also look suspiciously like worn out Sentinels). Given that Artorias was corrupted by the Abyss and also gained an alternate appearance and power over dark magic, Ornstein could have succumb to the Abyss as well, making the Old Dragonslayer. After Ornstein absorbs Smough, he gets much larger with his massive increase in power, so the fact that the Old Dragonslayer is bigger than base Ornstein could mean that absorbing Abyss power also made him bigger and stronger. Regardless, while it's possible that Ornstein and the Old Dragonslayer could have both been captains of the spear knights, it's also extremely likely that they're the same person.
I'm not actually convinced that Artorias was really left handed, he isn't on the box art for prepare to die and the chosen undead and do this special moves without the sword being left handed in DS1. That being said, that is a really cool theory on some added detail in the opening cutscene, I'm just not sure since the left handed thing left more like a retconned detail in DS2 DLC no less
I disagree with you, it's pretty agreed that Artorias was left handed from the minute players got to fight him and begin to put details together. You use his sword right-handed in DS1 because the game wouldn't let you do otherwise. And while Artorias may or may not be the one on the original cover, no other character in DS was left-handed, and the armor the person is wearing doesn't match any in-game set, which is why it's thought that the cover represents Artorias entering the Abyss in New Londo for the first time, before he got his Abysswalker title (and likely new armor). I just feel like if they went out of their way to make a left-handed silver-knight in the intro, it's probably significant lore-wise.
Enzar17 I just don't follow. Sure Artorias had to be right handed because the game made him but that just means he is right handed. I can see no in game evidence than he is anything but. if you can show me these forums and discussion I would love to scroll through them.
But here is where my big issue is anyway. The majestic greatsword in DS2 has a special moveset if you use it left handed as keeping with the mythos of DS. All cool, i could even go with Artorias being left handed. If that is the case then how does Artorias have access to the left handed moveset while using the sword right handed? The obvious answer, to me at least, is in DS1 they made his moveset then new director for DS2 they ignored logic to add a cool lore tidbit and it made a plot hole
Oh god..this video hit me right in the damn feels....-sobs- poor four knights......
Ornstein, pride and strength of a Lion, defending the source of his pride until his last breath, yet he goes down with no regrets in his heart, honour being maintained until the last moment.
Gough, eyes of a hawk, his gaze pieces all, choosing to spend his final days creating many things, hope (when he removes Kalameet's flying advantage) works of art, learned from a dear old friend.
Artorias, agile and strong as the wolf, always choosing to fight against whatever dangers the world through at him, even after his corruption as he still hunts down Abyss tainted humans of Oolacile .
Lastly Ciaran, striking with the speed and accuracy of Hornet's, always with love in her heart for the one person she placed above all others but never revealing her emotions, until fate ultimately plunges a dagger into her chances, executing them with out mercy.
Excuse me while I go cry manly tears of over whelming emotions.
A S you forgot to mention the fact that Gough loses his vision.
Also Ornstein is much sadder than that. He is stuck defending an illusion of the princess along with an executioner so disgusting, he is unfit to be a knight. His captain who he has taken so much inspiration from has abandoned him and he is doomed to die at the hand of a lowly undead.
Joe King isnt the ornstein at anor londo just another illusion made by gwyndolin?
Theres a theory that says the real ornstein actually left anor londo and followed the nameless king in dsk 3
Furvius Garfield I have a few problems with that theory, one being that when you touch ornstein, he doesn’t disappear like Gwynevere. Also, when you go to where the nameless king resides and where Ornstein armor lays, you get there by meditating. Usually when you go anywhere far away, you’re taken by something, however you’re given no explanation as to how you got there, you drift off, hear a screeching noise after the screen fades to black, and then you’re all of a sudden just there. That couples with the strange physics there like ringing the bell making a rainstorm with solid clouds and whatnot makes it seem sorta like a dream, and ringing the bell turns it into a nightmare. Maybe it connects back to Oscars words in dark souls 1 “when thou ringth the bell of awakening, the fate of the undead thou shalt know”.
great now i feel bad for killing the artorias and ornstein
you were supposed to feel bad
If you bought the game, you are supposed to feel bad. Remember that Fair Lady thinks you'r Quelaag.
Tope92
Yep, that's more a dramatic end, getting killed thinking your sister killed you without a reason
44theshadow i haven't fought artorias yet but i was happy the boss fight ended, but i killed ornstein last so i could cosplay and i don't want ornstein to be brutalized by smough when ornstein dies
iDisturbedDemon I wonder what they thought when they started to make Dark souls. "Hey guys, Let's make a game that is really hard and let's make it really depressive!"
It would be cool if From Soft made a game where we could play as the four knights and slay dragons
Mr_Beezlebub Dragon Souls confirmed
It wouldn't really be their style of game
Yes please
it would be more awesome if they make the game in the dragon war and let us fight the 4 Knight, Gwyn and the Nameless King in their prime
I'd love to see Anor Londor at its peak, and the surround world
Seems to me like Gough made the Hello, Thank You, Help Me, Very Good, and the I'm Sorry Carvings in DS3. Fine work for a blind giant.
If he made the carvings I wish I could teleport my character to dark souls 1 and throw the Very Good! carving at him.
+Fosilhun thaaaankyou.carving
+Zechling should have thought about the one
"Halp meh"
yes and they are in dark souls too you buy them from him if i remember. gues you only played the 3 and know nothing about the1
I think that Ornstein and Gough earned their honors in the Dragon War, after Gough and his archers ground the dragons Orstein and his spear-men then finish the dragons with their lightning spears. As for Artorias and Ciaran, they most likely earned their honors in the Occult Rebellion, with Artorias leading the loyalist vanguard and Ciaran leading the loyalist spooks that assassinated the mortal leaders of the rebels.
Sawyer Patton isn’t the nameless king a rebel though?
This has be my favorite lore in all of the dark souls franchise(is that right, I dont know XD). But, good job explaining the breif lore on the four knights. Keep up the good work.
Thank you so much! I'm really glad to hear you enjoyed it so much. :)
DaveControlLive You are the only person(that ive seen) that responds to there subscribers and viewers. Keep up the good work.
Most of the four knights have silver knights that brandish their weapons: spear, sword, and greatbow. Ciaran, however doesn't have a silver knight counterpart. Maybe she does have a group of assassins, but they were not repurposed as knights after she passed on. What if the Lord's Blades happened to change attire after Ciaran left and took up the role of the painted guardians. The painted guardians seem to mirror Ciaran's use of 2 short swords and they move like assassins unlike any other enemy in Anor Londo. There is no connection to between the painted guardians and the Lord's Blades, but I found it odd that they Ciaran wouldn't have some followers if all the other knights still had them.
+GoldenPhoenix497
Actually that's a good point...while the other knights all retain essentially the exact same arms and training they had, just re-purposed, and they likely would have remembered/been taught their original functions since they are similar...
It is said that the painting guardians have long forgotten why they guard the painting. If the Lord's Blades participated in the original quelling of the Occult rebellion, and the remnants of it being subsequently sealed in the painting, then it's quite feasible that, having no further purpose as assassins, they were tasked with guarding the painting. That is a function quite different from sneaking about in the night, assassinating threats, as you now have to be visible deterrents against a stationary location being trespassed on.
It seems reasonable that over time the descendants would have forgotten the reason for their strange martial arts movements, which no longer serve much function in terrifying people with flashing colored sheen's from the blades, but are still effective at striking enemies down swiftly. Likewise, they probably had new weapons more suited to a Guardian role instead of assassins role created, given that you never find a similar weapon to the Tracers.
+Zetro Hermit Also note the ivory ponytail shared by both Painting Guardians and Ciaran. I think it's fairly safe to say that the Painting Guardians were an offshoot of the Lord's Blades.
I like your videos.
they are informative and on point. not too long, not too short.
great
+Lobster with Mustard and Rice I know, right? I like his vids UCH better than that Silver guy. He just rambles on and on and doesn't even edit out his many bloopers.
never heard Artorias talking, do i need a ring?
+Brian Andrew It's from cut content that was found.
Yeah, they were going to add it in and obviously it’s completely finished but they didn’t for some (absolutely no) reason
Am I the only one who wants to see the battle with dragons vs those four knights, like a opening cinematic which would showcase it clearly. That would be so awesome.
Yesssss I hope it's like a dlc for dark souls 3 or something.
FROM SOFTWARE needs to make a show or movie trilogy about finding the lord souls, fighting with the dragons, and linking the fire for the first time.
Right now, if you would sirs.
would be awsome
There is actually a video, ornstein vs dragon in the pruld channel, "the one spear knight"
Ornstein in Archdragon's peak be like "im not going to explain"
Cuz the Ornstein in Anor Londo is an illusion
I would love a spinoff with the Four Knights. So much gold in that lore.
The fact that Gough can expertly carve wood and shoot a fast moving dragon out of the sky despite being blind is pretty crazy.
Im not sure if the four Knights really have or need a Leader. It seems to be more like Gwyn's Knights are all Leaders of the different Groups. Ornstein is the Leader of the Royal Guard, Artorias is the Leader of the Silver Knights who fought the darkness but lost at the very end, even though they managed to slow its advance, Gough is obviously the Leader of the Archers and Ciaran is Gwyn's Assassin. Like a Warcouncil or something. x..x
Actually, ciaran is the leader of the undead legion of farron(the abyss watchers).
Lol wat
Artorias was a kind soul, you can tell.
Are we on the same schedule or something? I'm working on my "Abysswalker" video right now which will touch base on the four knights.
Anyway, another interesting video Dave. Although I don't believe Gough is in retirement like many people think. When he says "I'm luck to be alive," I think he's actually referring to not being executed (by smough) for a treason of some sort. He is locked away in the tower above a ticking timebomb (Oolacile's Abyss) and all of his carvings say he's imprisoned.
Wait are you........
The Sif boss fight... So much tragedy in only one place
Artorias was certanly the strongest of the knights, and the wolf represents that '' lone wolf '' status were he would be sent on missions alone that only him, unmatched with a greatsword and with an unbendable will of steel, would be able to accomplish.
Orbstein could be the strongest too. Hes the captain after all. Sadly we dont know who is stronger
@@mightyshady1016 you're a captain doesn't mean you're stronger than other members. Maybe in the great war, Ornstein killed more dragon than anyone in Four Knights
DAMN. The attention to the tiniest details in Dark Souls is just mind boggling. From Soft, you guys rock. Very very few developers focus so much attention on the smallest of details to make the game feel more immerse and complete. (Bethesda's Elder Scrolls series is another good example)
You dont need anny lore for skyrim because every npc tells you every bit of whatever it is.
Inkredeble mmo you would actually be surprised on how many secrets the elder scrolls hold,so dont just mention 1 elder scroll game and think you are done
if you want proof go watch some of MrRhexx's lore videos and see how many things you can find out
Inkredeble mmo
Some people like it that way, what's wrong with it
I would say that during the war against the dragons only Ornstein and Gough became knights and because nobody likes giants Ornstein was the leader. I think that Artorias and Cirian became knights during the Occult Rebellion, because their items never mention dragon slaying and also a greatsword and daggers seem a bit ineffective against dragons with stone scales, but they are good weapons against human size enemies. Also, the Occult Rebellion wasn't just yesterday so there was enough time to forge the band of friendship between them.
Also I think that Ornsteins "superpower" wasn't just his great skill with lightning. His ability to increase his size would be pretty useful against large enemies. Think about fighting Kalameet or Ancient Dragon, but you would be as huge as Super Ornstein. It would be a lot easier to kill them right?
Wow that will actually explain super ornstein very well. No wonder he became the great dragonslayer.
Agreed, especially considering that Artorias's sword does split magic damage, something dragons are immune to.
I find it likely that Ornstein, after everyone left Anor Londo and he alone was there to protect the illusion of Gwynewere and the Lord Vessel, he bestowed a shard of his soul to Smough and that he's actually smaller when Smough is alive rather than his normal size, which can be seen with super Ornstein.
OkamiXCeleste I don't know where but there is an item description saying Artorias does extra damage against Darkwraiths. He clearly was there keeping the Darkwraiths at bay before New Londo was flooded. Whether New Londo and Oolacile were happening at the same time is up for debate
Wilf Nelson Divine damage, thats how he was able to keep the darkwraiths at bay and manage to face Manus
Ah... Good ol' "YOU DEFEATED!". I love your videos man. Recently discovered your channel. I love all lore videos from various youtubers. I found myself good night stories for weeks! :D
This was an amazing video, i really got wrapped into the lore
It's definitely possible. I really bounced back and forth on it while I was creating the video.
Discussing Gough's band of archers, one of the people you kill in Darkroot Garden is an archer wearing a small hat, the description says it was worn by all of Gough's archers, sort of like a Robin Hood style hat which is cool
That must be heart breaking killing dragons, slaying beasts worthy of the title "everlasting" and then being killed by a midget with bad dress sense, just because you're getting old, damn talk about insult to injury....
Hawkeye is the best, every time I see that cut scene of him shooting down kalameet I go crazy
Haha - I looked at your schedule and was like: NO! I MUST BEAT HIM OUT! HIS VIDEOS ARE TOO GOOD! I kinda looked on Artorias as a part of a whole as opposed to focusing on him, so they'll definitely be different. :)
Great point about Gough being imprisoned. Weird he'd be imprisoned with his Great Bow, though.
Perhaps the graverobber was killed by his mourning widow.
Yup. Subscribed. This was awesome.
Anyone else think the four knights are similar to the four archangels from Supernatural (not sure if they are the same in the actual Bible)? With Ornstein being Michael since he is the most loyal and carries on serving Gwyn even after he leaves. Artorias as Lucifer since he is corrupted by darkness. And Gough and Ciaran being interchangeable with Gabriel and Raphael (although I lean towards Gough being Gabriel because he retires before Ciaran, and Gabriel hid from his brothers).
awesome you have changed my mind of the 4 knights the for this video and good luck in future videos
The only evil thing in dark souls is ourselves ! ... x(
So so true
Yeah... we're the assholes that kills every nice being in this sad, sad world
Yeah man , i hadnt done everything at the point i saw this video so yeah i agree ... trusty patches as well ... there were a lot of aholes in the game
METROIDER123 False.
I Loce Kyougoku Logan never went hollow, he just went bat shit crazy
I think this is a really cool thought, and very plausible.
All of you lore Episodes are epic
Now I think I know where the voiced wood carvings are from.
Lol smough dies and ornstein honors him, ornstein gets wounded and smough smashes him to bits laughing
+Jon Shaffer LMAO MY SIDES HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
would really love to see the stories of these knights expanded upon in another title or even a movie.
I always figured Ornstein was just the -Captain of the Guard- rather than the -Captain of the Four Knights- since it seems that the other knights took orders from Gwyn himself rather than Ornstein, particularly in the case of Ciaran who appears to largely be acting on her own goals rather than working under either Ornstein or Gwyn.
Ciaran was part of a group of assassins called the Lord's blade ( which is where she gets her title) and directly work under Gwyn even being known as Gwyn's shadow.
Running man wants a prequel based on these four knights and the events that happened in the war against the dragons.
"A helm crafted especially for the honorable Hawkeye Gough,
only the eye holes were packed with tree resin
by those who dismissed Gough as a brutish giant."
- There really is nothing to go off of, other than this (and that you can see the resin in there). You could be right! I tend to believe that he has taken off his helmet... at some point in his life after this event, but who knows, really.
I feel so sad for the destiny of the 4 knights of Gwyn. After the days during the war against the dragons, they had no use anymore and was droped like old toys. Except for Artorias who was sent on a suicide mission too stop the abyss. Either they die by the choosen undeads hand or by something else... I always bow before them in game, just to give them the respect they deserve
Most of the major characters in Dark Souls are tragic in some way or another.
atleast tht giants doing alright unless u killed him
actually artorias went to the abyss with no orders i believe. i think it was because they didnt hear from gough and Ciaranin a while.
It kind of makes me sad that all 4 knights are gone
I feel like it's supposed to represent the emotions you'll go through as a player fighting Kalameet.
At least, those were the emotions I went through my first time fighting Kalameet. (Especially since it was New Game+ with a mid-build and I was trying to cut off his tail).
When Gough was shown in the video as a Giant, I instantly thought of the giant atop the tower in the Undead Settlement in Dark Souls 3. Just a thought, but could the giant sniper be a friend of Gough as well, considering he has the Hawk Ring?
Seth Brooking maybe he was one of his dragon slaying Knights
Actually, I really like this thought. I'd thought of "believed" as just being something where people forgot overtime, but that's a really interesting idea!
remembers me of my old squad back in the early days of warframe a clan of 4 but the game changed each one leaving the game now.... I remain still playing missing my old friends
Yes - I predicted the time travel thing in my DaS2 lore speculation video. :)
Okay - I see who you're talking about now. (The character that pops out of the Mirror shield).
I played the E3 build of the game... at E3 (which this is based off of). (And have a video about playing it). The mirror knight shoots out basic enemies when you fight him - OR - it shoots out PvP players to come fight you during the boss battle. The normal enemies it spews out doesn't look like that.
7:15 Ahh so THAT is what falling into the Abyss looks like. I always got confused because I pictured the spreading Abyss to be like walking into your house and finding a dark corner in an otherwise illuminated room, and Artorias and Wolnir slipping on banana peels or something and falling in. My mistake is probably because reaching it in New Londo consists of you waltzing down the stairs, and the corner of the room is dark, and you walk in and enter the black expanse.
But that raises the new question: how the Abyss spreads without actually "spreading" over the land, how high levels of humanity just sneak out of the bushes at Artorias, and what causes that dark corner to appear in the first place?
He probably realizes that, with the Lordvessel in hand, it will be the quickest way for the Chosen Undead to contact him if they haven't been taken in by Frampt yet. That's probably the only reason he tolerates its presence in the Abyss. Why he doesn't get rid of it if you have spoken to Frampt, I have no idea. I don't know, why do these bonfires appear out on nowhere when they didn't exist in the area when the boss was alive?
The four knights are basically an adventuring party.
The poise-heavy Artorias serves as a tank, while Ornstein works as the damage dealer with his spear. The crit-striking Ciaran takes advantage of their enemies' weak points to do even more damage. And finally, Gough provides supporting fire.
Hey DaveControlLive! What do you think of Ornstein showing up in DS2 as the Old Dragonslayer. I think that ultimately proves that Ornstein and Smough were illusions created by Gwyndolin. Of course, you do receive Ornstein's soul if you slay Smough first, but I think that just has to be a game mechanic of rewarding a player after facing one of the most difficult boss fights...ever.
By that same logic, one could easily say that all of the NPC's are illusions.
Nearly every character with any form of dialogue does not leave a corpse when it dies.
There's a very specific difference between a one-of-a-kind item, and something that was mass-produced for the guards of Anor Londo. The Rings are specifically unique, serving as the mark of Gwyn's Four.
The Lordvessel is specific as well, but mainly because it's a tool of the Chosen. It has to be controlled, the Rings, are not.
The character that we played is like the villain of this story 😭
Effigy shield is tucked away in Tomb of the Giants, in the area where the Black knight is.
Maybe Ornstein was despited by Ciaran, Gough and Artorias and maybe Ornstein was asked to come with the knights to Oolacile but he was afraid of it and therefore stayed home, but as he was defending the throne he felt lonely and asked smough to help him and maybe he was afraid of dying by the chosen undead
Another theory: Ornstein is the supposed captain of the Four Knights, because he was the only one left by the time you slay him. Perhaps Artorias was the captain, but when the other three died Ornstein just claimed the title (noone in Anor Londo could tell otherwise). Smough maybe knew about it which is why he is so eager to smash Ornstein even though he's twitching.
To me - the proof that they're not illusion lies in receiving their "special souls" from defeating them.
You mean the two you fight in the main hall, after exiting the area where you fought Ornstein and Smough? I had always assumed they were Blades of the Darkmoon. After joining them and talking to the firekeeper of Anor Londo, she says something along the lines of "So, thou hast joined our ranks?"
I took that to mean that there were other Blades in Anor Londo, and that those were them. I guess there's no reason why an illusion couldn't make them appear to be Orn and Smough though.
lol and then it turns out Ornstein has the curse too because TA-DA he appears in dark souls 2
I don't think the Chosen Undead really kill anyone, even Artorias...it is because of the bonfires. Who place bonfires in ancient Oolacile? Not only bonfires used to warp between bonfires but through ages also? I think everything the Chosen Undead are facing are just memories that materialized, illusions created by someone...
I wanna see a movie/comic book based on the Occult rebellion.
Hey Dave, look back at the Leo ring. If you look close to the image, it seems as though the lion has an odd tail, one that seems to be representing a snake. I'm just saying this because I want to know how Ornstein can fuse with Smough and vise versa. Maybe Ornstein is more than just a (demi)god. Maybe he had another ability in tow that we may have missed.
awesome lore, Dave! always loved your videos especially this one. Poor guys of Gwyn, had to kill them to beat the game :( But I think they are all very amazing in their own own ways, but Ornstein takes the cake from me XD
Dark souls;
Where you stop a war by killing all participants.
Great video!
the key is the rings. While yes, they could easily be moved after the wearer died, it's unlikely. From a storytelling standpoint, the rings are meant to brand the character as being one of the four knights.
They all appear near the character who was supposed to own them, and Ornstein's is the only one we directly recieve from the character.
Great video!
Yeah, it's just the description that The Bed of Chaos was "the mother of ALL demons"... implying that it would include the Titanite Demons (who are the only non-chaos seeming demons in the game).
I think the lion's tail end is just that hairy part of the end of a lion's tail?
Although - Ornstein and Smough's absorption abilities are quite interesting. The question is - is it a gameplay mechanic or is there some true lore behind it? I wonder if it's a matter of they absorb souls differently than an Undead would? Each contain a "special Soul" - so perhaps that's why.
Hawkeye is a cool bean
He was probably imprisoned by the humans of Oolacile who, after being convinced by one of the serpents, turned on Gwyn and his following. They might have given him wood to do something to pass the time.
Dem feels D: Awesome video btw!
It's far more likely that Gough was not blind and that he thought he had gone blind when the eye holes of his helmet were stuffed with resin. Whilst his skills without sight are formidable I imagine that they were far better when he could see. Don't forget that he is old and that it wouldn't be too much of a shock to him if he went blind in his sleep.
The resin in his helmet is the reason Gough believes he is blind.
Great value vaati
Is gough the one that makes all the carvings that talk when you throw them? He just carves all day lol maybe it's his voice in it with magic
Ayo alpaca probably because his voice is low and the voice that comes out of the carvings are low too
The wolf ring IS actually pretty close to wear Artorias' grave would be, just higher up.
Actually, the voice actor who voices Gough pronounces it "Gof", which is why I pronounced it that way.
As far as the eyeholes and his blindness, you could be right, but that's purely an interpretation. There's nowhere the implicitly says either thing.
Dark Souls : Knight Artorias of the Abyss cut/unused dialogue for anyone wondering about the arty dialogue
Gough isn't blind, he just thinks he is because of the resin packed into the eyes of his helm
I'm sure they support the flames, just as they support Lord Gwyn. They've been fighting on Gwyn's side who is trying to postpone the Age of Fire, so I think they look at the flames as a positive thing.
THAT'S WHERE THE FUCKING RING WAS?! BEHIND THE BLACKSMITH THE WHOLE FUCKING TIME?! Christ, I'm an idiot. Time to go retrieve it.
Xanatos712 ironically i found it when i went to buy dragonslayer arrows
Jerec 12 Is...that really irony?
+Xanatos712 Don't feel too bad. I never explored the the area around the bonfire before you meet Gwynevere, so I never found Lautrec's armour.
That might be Artorias in the into of the game holding the sword in his left hand. (His armor looks similar.) This might conform that he helped with the dragon hunts. But if that's true there is also the fact that he was left handed before but then lost the use at one point. Maybe to the dragons, maybe to the abyss. What do you think?
By "predicted" I mean "speculated" because we still don't know.
Although, at this point, I think it's safe to say it's a sequel.
damn... I never got far enough to know that Artorias actually spoke to the Chosen Undead, and that he actually cared...
it is not in the game, the footage in the vid must be from cut content still in the game files.
great video!
I want a Dark Souls MMO that takes place during the Age of Fire. I just want to see all of these characters in their prime.
Has anyone else made a link to the emotions Gough lists and the four knights? To me, Ornstein represents pride quite clearly, but the other three are less clear-cut. I feel that Artorias may be the most rageful of the four, which could be what allowed him to be tainted in the first place, and Ciaran could be exhilaration, or hatred. It's debatable which, because she does seem to hold ill feelings towards humans.
Which leaves Gough to represent either of the last two. Both can be applied to him
I have never played the first Dark Souls before but holy shit do I love the four knights. Next to Alonne, they are my favorite knights.
I always use the prey gestures every time I defeat a boss with a sad story so my character can peray to the gods and say sorry
Such a great video.
Here's an idea: the Occult followers became a very large group. Gwyn of course didn't want them to take over, so O&S were to protect Anor Londo from being invaded by the occultists. Smough was perfect for the job (with his cruel behaviour he probably scared off a lot of occultists) but his cruelty couldn't be ignored so he was not seen as one of Gwyn's elite. After the Age of Fire began, Gwyn's Four no longer had jobs except to maintain Gwyn's power (ie fight off the Abyss). That's my opinion...
I wonder what artorios, Ciaran, and gough thought of ornstein because the game never really describes what they thought of him, did they like him like a friend or did they not get along well
Can someone please reply to this comment I wanna know what you guys think
(sorry for my english) I think that Ornstein was very loyal to Gwyn, and he doesn't care about the other knights. This makes him the most trusted knight of the four and because of this Gwyn make Orny to be leader of the others.
I see Orn as the ambitious leader, Art as his rival/greatest supporter, Cia as Art's love, possibly fought over by both Orn and Art, which could've caused a rift to open up that, if you want to be really depressing, wasn't resolved before Art was corrupted, and Gough is just... Well... Gough.
I can imagine Orenstein feeling bitter about the rest of the knights, probably after Artorias left he felt the need to be even better than the others to compensate for their lost ally. And when he gets called in to protect and he just see's everyone doing nothing (Gough), feeling sorry (Cia) he just says: "You are all unfit of being called the knights of Gwyn" then just secludes himself, probably letting Smough execute people so he wouldn't bother him. The rest of the knights would see him as a sad figure, trying to fill a void in his heart. That's what I thing atleast.
TIME TO DROP SOME MORE LORE: in dark souls 3, 1 item in specific says smough was the only 1 to stay guard at the cathedral in anor londo meaning that ornstein was only a small peice of his soul or yet another illusion by gwyndolin and in dark souls 3 you also see ornsteins spear and armour by the bell to join the dragon covenent meaning he wanted to find the nameless king and join the dragon covenant and it is also thought that the storm drake the nameless king is riding on is ornstein himself it would make sense though because its a storm drake and ornstein used a lightning themed spear but even if that is him he still dies anyways
Also you don't pick his armour up by a corpse
I'd think Gough is not blind, he just didn't want to take the helmet off.
Is that Gough's voice in the carved woods that says Very good, Hello, i'm sorry and things like this ? If so, how did they managed to reach DS 2 ?
Guillaume Bloch I suppose while he may have died off - his stones that contain his voice still survived over time? (Like the rings and such we find).
Why does everybody pronounce Ornstein as Ornsteen? You don't call Einstein, Einsteen...do you?
People don't do German well. I feel you bro.
Everytime someone says "Ornsteen" I just want to scratch a fucking board. This is just how much irritating it is.
speaking of this , does it pronounce ornstien or ornshtein ? just wondering
Iraqi ProGamers Ornshtein. Just like you would pronounce Einstein.
***** aha thanks for the explanation
Nah, you fight a Berenike Knight (the super big guy with the Tower shield) and Ricard the Archer. (I'm assuming one of these two guys is who you're thinking of - probably Ricard).
The weird thing about Titanite Demons is that... they're demons. But they're so different from any of the chaos demons we see! I'm honestly pretty stumped about them. Why are they everywhere and why were they created from Titanite Slabs? They were born from a blacksmith deity passing away... but demons?
They are similar in stance for sure, but I'm not sure. Seems coincidence... but maybe that's how the deity died?
More importantly, I wish they dropped Titanite Slabs instead of Demon Titanite.
6:19 what do you think those messages say?
Just my speculation but I think Ornstein and smough are just part of the illusion created by gwyndolin. After killing gwynevere we will see 1 knight of berenike and 1 baldur knight which has similar moveset to ornstein and smough. It would be strange that a baldur knight would make it in anor londo, could it be Knight king rendall? I have no idea of the Knight in Heavy armor though.