*"You built this whole world just so that you could have someone...but it didn't work. You're small. You're cruel. And you're empty. You will always be empty."*
That, she will. And she always had been empty I think, even before Gilead. She yearned for a child, which is understandable - but has she ever had any friends? All I remember from the flashbacks of stories is that she was always shown with Fred and Fred alone, in their little world, secluded... and not that important to anyone, till she wrote her books. To the contrary, June had a husband, a daughter, a best friend, mum, work colleagues and then some, all loved by her and loving/liking her back.
I kinda hope she does.. i would hope she falls in love with someone, cheats on fred and have a babe of her own then she ll understand somehow join the rebels to change the situation
@@kal5157 I know but i want her to pay for it with having a child and that child be taken from her somehow to feel what it is like to do the staff she did
June is ABSOLUTELY right! Love is putting someone else ahead of your own wants and needs being a parent is thinking about and doing what’s best for the child instead of what’s best for you. Serena is willing to to take Holly away from a place where she could grow up free to make her own choices and be treated like a human being and bring her back into a place where she has no say in anything and no right to even kno how to read a place where she has to literally shut up be pretty and only be seen as someone’s wife. She’s willing to do that jus so she can be happy she doesn’t give a shit about Holly’s well being she’s out for herself. June’s right that isn’t love at all that’s being selfish.
@@biancaperez8846 Holly honours Junes mother, which lets be honest, after the backstory episode about her, is a FAR greater honour than naming her Nicole.
One of the things that I love is how much physically smaller June is than almost everyone who opposes her. When she reality checks them, or yells at them, she always bares her teeth. Just that little fact makes some primal part of me remember that she’s at exact throat height with those people and that she’s gonna rip their throats out. The fact that when she’s done with them, they’re silent and shocked proves that she actually has done so, in a way.
(Possible small spoiler for the new season) It’s funny you say this cause someone actually told June “I pictured you being taller” or “you’re shorter than I imagined” something like that after hearing so much about June lmao
0:03 I'm sorry but I laughed when Serena sees June's mouth covered as wittily comments "that's nice...the silence" Assuming it will stop June from speaking for once but June then goes on to giving Serena the biggest reality check of her lifetime
What future is there for Nicole in Gilead? To be a Wife like Serena, or a Handmaid like her mother? If Serena truly loved Nicole, she'd be fighting like hell to keep her in Canada, far away from Gilead.
Well said! June’s right that’s not love at all Serena’s obsessed with having a child she’s in love with the idea of being a mother but she can’t be one cuz she doesn’t care about what’s best for the child she’s too selfish
Nicole would have no voice. She wouldn't be able to read, write, expand her talents and interests. She would be delusional, blinded and small, just like Serena.
I guess she's in a situation where she can't be choosy - Serena is has been her only hope for an ally with influence in Gilead. But clearly trusting Serena would never end well
June was feeling sorry for Serena, despite everything, she saw something good in her, that is why she trusted her, Serena is intelligent, has moments of vulnerability and humanness, she is unhappy, lonely, June could see that.. Maybe they even could be friends. In some weird way, Serena respects June or is grateful to her I do not know. Their relationship is shaky and obscure for me. Complicated. Mixed feelings :D
Serena called June Offred the second she was arrested. It is subtle but notable. Serena is selfish and is only concerned with her own agenda. Any relationship she formed with June was for her own benefit in some way or another
@@NatBeNimble and she helped to build a society that opressed and abused all the women, and even when she had that reality in front of her she wasn't thinking of the pain he caused to other or june. just as june said: she's weak and empty
I absolutely love how June is constantly in scenes with much taller characters in positions of power over her yet still comes across as the stronger one. What fantastic acting 👏
She's living her own kind of torture. She feels that Nichole is her daughter, and she's being kept from Nichole which IS torture for a mother. It's part of how Gilead tortures the Handmaids, by keeping them from their children. As long as she never gets Nichole, she will live in the torturous knowledge that she created Gilead to have a baby and it was all for nothing.
@@mcstudiostk unredeemable to me. couldnt care less what she soes i want to see her burn literally to death, and if the fire could controlled in a way where it burns her slowly so her screams and anguish can be heard that will be perfect. and if she could somehow survive and face the pain burn victims face before she then dies while she can see nicole watching it happen, then thats cherry on top.
It is true that Serena is delusional and incredibly selfish. But also remember she thinks she is above the law. She created this world and the laws but never thought that they would apply to her or her children. THIS is one of the biggest miscalculations she kept making throughout until her downfall in the finale of season 3. And every time she has paid for it: undermined her husband and got thrashed with a belt; wanted to allow Commander's Wives and daughters to read the Bible cost her her finger. As someone on Tumblr said: she thinks she is smarter than she actually is. If she was, then she wouldn't have made all those miscalculations.
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Favourite scene I have ever watched on TV. It's perfect in every way possible, from the acting to the photography, to the script, the location, the clothes, the choreography, EVERYTHING.
The removal of Abraham Lincoln from the Lincoln Memorial is pretty symbolic to how the Sons of Jacob created Gilead and returned the country to slavery. Freedom was taken from men and women who opposed Gilead. Many men and women were killed, as well as people of different races, creeds, straight and LGBT people. It's proof that the freedoms people have enjoyed have been taken from them all because of a bunch of Christian extremists wanted the country and the world back to the days of the Bible. It's a show, I know. But some people say that this may happen if Mike Pence becomes president.
yeah im sorry to burst your bubble but you should do some reading about presidential powers. the US is no monarchy and this is a fictional dystopian novel
"- Because I love her! - This isn't love! You can't love! You don't know how!" this scene gives me chills everytime. What a power. Can't wait for season 4 & 5❤
I don't fully blame June for cuddling up to Serena... she's highly desperate in finding allies. I just hope that this confrontation would teach June a lesson.
June wants Nicole to stay in Canada, and Serena wants her back. It never seems to end for these two, does it? They hate each other like how we all saw coming; vitriolic and fierce. It's a sobering reminder that no matter how much they team up to take down a common enemy, they will never see eye to eye.
@@LadyMinstrel Let's remember. Serena helped destroy the US government and put in place Gillead, causing so many women to be raped so she can steal their child. This child was conceived because Serena kept forcing June to be raped by different men (not knowing Nick and June would have feelings, but it was still rape when she made June do it). Serena would hold down June's and other people's arms while her husband raped them over and over and over. Serena is clearly in the wrong. Serena will always be irredeemable and June is clearly in the right. You can't see eye to eye with a crazy evil terrible person like Serena.
I think Serena desperately wants to be friends with June. Early-on she recognized June's intelligence, calling to her a "smart girl" several times. When she shows June the nursery and June uses that as an opportunity to ask to see Hannah, she later says to Fred, "I thought we Coyle at least be..." and then cuts herself, failing to finish the thought. I felt in that moment she was about to say that they could've been friends. After Serena's belting, when June goes to Serena's room to ask her if she can.do anything for her, I felt that Serena covered her mouth to stifle her tears which were earlier coming from a place of hurt but with June's concern, she desperately wanted to ask for her support but couldn't. As Fred said when she cut herself, even if she did hurt herself, she wouldn't admit it. I think that same fear of being vulnerable kept her from seeking comfort with June. This scene really put all those disparate elements in full relief. If you enjoyed someone's silence, you wouldn't go up to them and say it. This is one of those instances where you want to keep the conversation going, you don't want to let things go, but you're being bullheaded and childish about it. Where it really comes to a head for Serena is at the end of the tete-a-tete when Serena cries... I think it hurt her to hear those things coming from someone she admired and looked up to.
Thank you for saying this because their relationship always confused me its like they care about each other its weird she always calls June strong and the small things like asking June's opinion. I feel like the baby kinda brought them closer
2:25 : Serena's slight nod and smile was like she's saying "that's it then. We hate eachother. It's over now whatever is between us" I can't with these two. Such an intense relationship
I am really surprised that Serena let Nicole out in the first place, a true believer won't choose a better life over the after life. I live in Egypt, and most mothers here don't have any problem with their daughters growing up in a misogynistic society. Many even refuse the chance to migrate to Europe just so their daughters remain under control. Religion and cultural concepts like honor will make parents deny their children the opportunity to have a happy life. The fact that Serena wanted Nicole out of Gilead for her owns goodness proves that she doesn't really believe in the cause. She just wanted a baby.
This scene with two of the main protagonists in the show squaring off was as good as it gets. Not even Hank squaring off with Walter in the garage scene in Breaking Bad was as powerful. The backdrop of The Lincoln Memorial in ruins just makes it feel even more heavy.
This feels like a lovers´ fight Although what they say appears to be spiteful, their faces tell another story Or maybe they say what they do BECAUSE they feel so deeply for one another
Finally somebody noticed! At the end of this argument in which they tore each other apart, they were both so obviously heartbroken and maybe even visibly regretful. I think there were a couple harsh edges amongst the things they said, just because of the heat of the moment. It could have so easily been a conversation that snaps Serena out of it and reminds her how to properly love, and reminds her that she already knows how because she has done it before. They clearly care about each other.
A White Knight and Her Dark Queen this sounds like a dark romantic novel in the making i'll buy 6 copies please ! as long as Elisabeth and Yvonne Narrate the audio book i'm sold =)
Junes face in the beginning, she looks like she wants to spit in Serenas face when she said about the quiet being nice for a change , also the echoing as they're arguing is so good!!
This show is so powerful. In a world where women are silenced, the voices are loud as hell. One of the most important speeches during the entire show is vocalised in an iconic location (Lincoln Memorial - or what's left of it) to make it evident that the patriarchy needs to be destroyed.
this two are great, in one episode they are killing each other, and later they are having a talk like good friends, then they fight, then they talk, amazing , this two have a good chemistry, I hope the creator of the show use this well, this two together are fire
Serena could only trust Nicole with her child in the whole world not just because June is her biological mother but bcz she feels she knows June and she's no stranger to her. Serena wouldn't be so desperate to have Nicole back if June was with her.
“I should have put a ring in your mouth the day that we met.” “I should have let you burn when I had the chance.” And deep down Serena knew she was right. Serena knows she’s a monster and it sticks in her how June chose to save her after everything she did to her.
I heard that scene there was a huge deal, very rare. Moss said it was incredible and one of the most amazing scene she's ever acted. I loved it, except that guards could've heard it. I would think so anyway. Wouldn't have been bad or risky if they hadn't mentioned about getting Holly (I hate calling her Nicole) out.
Gross thought. She made sure she was raped multiple times. Following the Gilead law and not following it. could you fall in love for someone who did this to you?
I don’t understand their relationship... June calls her Serena all the time and Mrs. Waterford has never really corrected her on it. It’s.. a kindred unhappiness relationship. I hope she gets a good redemption unlike Jaime Lannister.
This hits me so hard, I feel sorry for both women for very different reasons, I have been cruel out of hurt and emptiness, but I do love with all of my heart and fight for what is right like June so I come at it from both unique prespectives and understand that guilt, shame pain, rightness, wrongness, and it is like an onion so multilayered you cannot hate either, nor defend either 100% because neither is innocent, but both are able to be loved and understood and both are at fault. We are human. Lack of understanding just divides, it does not unite nor help a common thing wrong that these two characters are fighting for the same thing in reality but somewhere it all just went wrong and when it did it took the already down and out marginalized people and pitted them against each other too.
I think June try the best to be good and human, even when her reality was destroy, but then she became more and more full of rage seeing that their hearts were like stones. Now I understand why in the 4 season her character change and become full of anger and revenge, cause you can’t have peace without a war sometimes.
I was 1000 percent rooting for June in this scene the minute she said "my children," Serena cannot love. She destroyed a world, people's lives, families, violated people's personal views and ways of life, just to have her own little cookie cutter life. June should've named her daughter Holly Nicole instead!
What disturbs me so much about this scene is that Serena reminds me a lot of my own mother. When June says to her “You built this whole world, just so you could have SOMEONE!” it hit me like a ton of bricks. My mom has abused, controlled, and manipulated me to extreme degrees for exactly the same reason Serena did what she did. Just in the hopes of having her own person that would make her feel whole. But that’s the thing about parents and kids. You don’t own them and you never will! They don’t belong to you. And if you try to force them in that box, they will always rebel and reject you. One way or another.
Serena is an evil psychopath. I hate her so much . I am at Season 3 now and i love this show . I feel such anger against Serena and Gilead . I feel the pain and the anger for the Handmaids and June . I hope Serena and Gilead will suffer the same pain as the Handmaids have did and i am waiting for them to get what they deserve . June is so badass to get the upperhand against Serena 🙂
this is not what she wanted at all. yes, some of the ideas did come from her but her psychopathic husband turned them into something completely different with his friends. Serena was very lonely and felt unloved by everybody. she was always isolated in her home, her servants not really allowed to speak to her and she lost everything. heartbreaking, really. she had some moments of true connection with June but she couldn't get too attached as June was going to leave anyway. she's really misunderstood.
Serena didn't let Nicole go because she loved her. She let her go because she wanted to feel good about herself because she was feeling shitty. When that feeling left her selfishness grew 10 fold.
Serena isn't willing to let Nicole have the best life because she isn't her mother. If Nicole was truly Serena's flesh and blood, I'm sure she would put her child's needs ahead of her own. But as she's someone else's child, Serena simply sees her as something warm and cuddly to keep her company on lonely Gilead nights.
Gilead and Fred had silenced and brainwashed Serena. I think June is wrong when she says that she can’t love. She can and she wanted to, but couldn’t ever since she got shot. Serena and Fred had always been religious in their past, but not to this extreme. As we saw in the flashbacks, Fred did give Serena a voice and supported her giving her speeches. I even think, in a way, Fred too was saddened when he found out that her wound meant she couldn’t bare their children. The power he had given himself in Gilead, along with the other husbands, had blinded him and made him forget what he and Serena wanted and had been working towards. We also see in past seasons that Serena was the last one among her friends to become mothers. She was very nurturing and maternal towards their own children. Once Serena had the idea that Fred was infertile, she was desperate and went to Nick to impregnate June. She does truly love Nichole. I can personally see it. All she ever wanted was to be a mom.
Now i think, did Serena returned the favor? I don't remember, was it Nicole to be taken to Canada? Is that how Serena returned the favor? The next shot (after this scene) of June walking out to address the crowd is one of the best visuals that i will never forget from the show ✌️
I don't fully blame June for cuddling up to Serena... she's highly desperate in finding allies. I just hope that this confrontation would teach June a lesson.
Counter-culture? Serena is an absolute monster, along with the society she has helped create. You really think that baby would be safe if the waterfords still had her?
@@patriciaoffer9585 that Serena will never be good. Even when it seems like Serena will finally make the right call, she will do another awful thing, showing she never changed, her needs just changed.
Every line from june just doesnt sink in when shes guilty of adultery. She shouldn't have been tortured or gone through what she did. That was just inhumane. But a lecture from her.....like really.....
Funny how their faces are covered in opposite, Serena won't see the reality but has a voice, June can see the reality but doesn't have a voice
Zoe Williams that's interesting, never noticed that until u said.
Wow, Great observation! Just goes to show that subtle things can add so much to a scene.
Very well observed. A good foreshadowing.
Wow that’s an awesome analysis
woahhh, that’s some good analysis there
*"You built this whole world just so that you could have someone...but it didn't work. You're small. You're cruel. And you're empty. You will always be empty."*
Chilling.
CLASSIC!
That, she will.
And she always had been empty I think, even before Gilead. She yearned for a child, which is understandable - but has she ever had any friends? All I remember from the flashbacks of stories is that she was always shown with Fred and Fred alone, in their little world, secluded... and not that important to anyone, till she wrote her books.
To the contrary, June had a husband, a daughter, a best friend, mum, work colleagues and then some, all loved by her and loving/liking her back.
I love the double entendre of 'You'll always be empty
'Implying that she's a hollow person. But also that she'll never have a child inside her'
I kinda hope she does.. i would hope she falls in love with someone, cheats on fred and have a babe of her own then she ll understand somehow join the rebels to change the situation
@@fringuebm she did things beyond horrible for her to be easily forgiven. She’s gonna pay for it eventually
@@kal5157 I know but i want her to pay for it with having a child and that child be taken from her somehow to feel what it is like to do the staff she did
No she can have children her husband is the one that can’t produce sperm but she’s a STUPID bitch who won’t leave him and do the right thing
Oops. Well it’s not a double entendre anymore
Words can not describe how dissapointed I am in Serena.
dissapointed but not surprised.
That's so true
I never trusted her so I’m not disappointed. A woman like her don’t deserves forgiveness
I was not surprised by how she turned her back on those who trusted her.
Idk how people thought she would be redeemable after seeing her beat and assault her slave, just because she was semi-human for a few scenes.
Two brilliant actresses, bravo! These two are the heart of the series!
Wow! When June yells “this isn’t love” the sound really reverberates through the space. The echo really drives the message.
June is ABSOLUTELY right! Love is putting someone else ahead of your own wants and needs being a parent is thinking about and doing what’s best for the child instead of what’s best for you. Serena is willing to to take Holly away from a place where she could grow up free to make her own choices and be treated like a human being and bring her back into a place where she has no say in anything and no right to even kno how to read a place where she has to literally shut up be pretty and only be seen as someone’s wife. She’s willing to do that jus so she can be happy she doesn’t give a shit about Holly’s well being she’s out for herself. June’s right that isn’t love at all that’s being selfish.
Exactly
Loved how you called June’s child Holly instead of Nicole
@@biancaperez8846 Holly honours Junes mother, which lets be honest, after the backstory episode about her, is a FAR greater honour than naming her Nicole.
"I've should let you burn when I had the chance"
That's my June yess QUEEN❤❤❤
One of the things that I love is how much physically smaller June is than almost everyone who opposes her. When she reality checks them, or yells at them, she always bares her teeth. Just that little fact makes some primal part of me remember that she’s at exact throat height with those people and that she’s gonna rip their throats out. The fact that when she’s done with them, they’re silent and shocked proves that she actually has done so, in a way.
(Possible small spoiler for the new season) It’s funny you say this cause someone actually told June “I pictured you being taller” or “you’re shorter than I imagined” something like that after hearing so much about June lmao
0:03 I'm sorry but I laughed when Serena sees June's mouth covered as wittily comments "that's nice...the silence" Assuming it will stop June from speaking for once but June then goes on to giving Serena the biggest reality check of her lifetime
What future is there for Nicole in Gilead? To be a Wife like Serena, or a Handmaid like her mother? If Serena truly loved Nicole, she'd be fighting like hell to keep her in Canada, far away from Gilead.
Well said! June’s right that’s not love at all Serena’s obsessed with having a child she’s in love with the idea of being a mother but she can’t be one cuz she doesn’t care about what’s best for the child she’s too selfish
Nicole would have no voice. She wouldn't be able to read, write, expand her talents and interests. She would be delusional, blinded and small, just like Serena.
There is no life for her daughter in Gilead. She would be reduced to either cattle, a trophy, or a slave. Not a person. Never a person.
June:"I trusted you"
Me: WHY????????
EXACTLY!
Because she let her send Nichole to Canada. She did backtrack later but June had good reason to think she might be persuaded to change sides.
I guess she's in a situation where she can't be choosy - Serena is has been her only hope for an ally with influence in Gilead. But clearly trusting Serena would never end well
June was feeling sorry for Serena, despite everything, she saw something good in her, that is why she trusted her, Serena is intelligent, has moments of vulnerability and humanness, she is unhappy, lonely, June could see that.. Maybe they even could be friends. In some weird way, Serena respects June or is grateful to her I do not know. Their relationship is shaky and obscure for me. Complicated. Mixed feelings :D
June has a bigger heart than she should. I would have never forgiven or trusted a woman like Serena
Serena called June Offred the second she was arrested. It is subtle but notable. Serena is selfish and is only concerned with her own agenda. Any relationship she formed with June was for her own benefit in some way or another
@@NatBeNimble and she helped to build a society that opressed and abused all the women, and even when she had that reality in front of her she wasn't thinking of the pain he caused to other or june. just as june said: she's weak and empty
I absolutely love how June is constantly in scenes with much taller characters in positions of power over her yet still comes across as the stronger one. What fantastic acting 👏
If Serena doesn’t get tortured at some point I am going to be so pissed
Torture is not justice
She's living her own kind of torture. She feels that Nichole is her daughter, and she's being kept from Nichole which IS torture for a mother. It's part of how Gilead tortures the Handmaids, by keeping them from their children. As long as she never gets Nichole, she will live in the torturous knowledge that she created Gilead to have a baby and it was all for nothing.
She did get a finger cut off
How about a redemption arc?
@@mcstudiostk unredeemable to me. couldnt care less what she soes i want to see her burn literally to death, and if the fire could controlled in a way where it burns her slowly so her screams and anguish can be heard that will be perfect. and if she could somehow survive and face the pain burn victims face before she then dies while she can see nicole watching it happen, then thats cherry on top.
It is true that Serena is delusional and incredibly selfish. But also remember she thinks she is above the law. She created this world and the laws but never thought that they would apply to her or her children. THIS is one of the biggest miscalculations she kept making throughout until her downfall in the finale of season 3.
And every time she has paid for it: undermined her husband and got thrashed with a belt; wanted to allow Commander's Wives and daughters to read the Bible cost her her finger. As someone on Tumblr said: she thinks she is smarter than she actually is. If she was, then she wouldn't have made all those miscalculations.
Favourite scene I have ever watched on TV. It's perfect in every way possible, from the acting to the photography, to the script, the location, the clothes, the choreography, EVERYTHING.
My favorite is the silence and the echo when they are screaming at each other. So well done!
The removal of Abraham Lincoln from the Lincoln Memorial is pretty symbolic to how the Sons of Jacob created Gilead and returned the country to slavery. Freedom was taken from men and women who opposed Gilead. Many men and women were killed, as well as people of different races, creeds, straight and LGBT people.
It's proof that the freedoms people have enjoyed have been taken from them all because of a bunch of Christian extremists wanted the country and the world back to the days of the Bible.
It's a show, I know. But some people say that this may happen if Mike Pence becomes president.
yeah im sorry to burst your bubble but you should do some reading about presidential powers. the US is no monarchy and this is a fictional dystopian novel
@@brendano3735 www.thenation.com/article/archive/trumps-america-is-like-a-dystopian-novel-with-one-importance-difference/
I just thought they cut off Lincoln's head to symbolize America's order is done
none of this is the bible and these are not Christians please don't lump us with theses wackadoodles
@@Scully818 I'm not. But in every religion, there are many extremists.
1:44 That shot is so beautiful. From the rotation of the angle to Serena's turn and change in expressions as she turns around. Wow 👏🏼
She will never be free from June, until her children are safe, never will give up and that’s LOVE .
"- Because I love her!
- This isn't love! You can't love! You don't know how!" this scene gives me chills everytime.
What a power. Can't wait for season 4 & 5❤
I don't fully blame June for cuddling up to Serena... she's highly desperate in finding allies. I just hope that this confrontation would teach June a lesson.
“To teach her a lesson. To teach her a lesson. To teach her a lesson.”
Their relationship is sooo intense. I can't with them
I love how Junes words echo, amplifying the depth behind them a hundred fold.
Imagining the people outside listening like 👁👄👁
June wants Nicole to stay in Canada, and Serena wants her back. It never seems to end for these two, does it? They hate each other like how we all saw coming; vitriolic and fierce. It's a sobering reminder that no matter how much they team up to take down a common enemy, they will never see eye to eye.
One never knows.
@@LadyMinstrel Let's remember. Serena helped destroy the US government and put in place Gillead, causing so many women to be raped so she can steal their child. This child was conceived because Serena kept forcing June to be raped by different men (not knowing Nick and June would have feelings, but it was still rape when she made June do it). Serena would hold down June's and other people's arms while her husband raped them over and over and over. Serena is clearly in the wrong. Serena will always be irredeemable and June is clearly in the right. You can't see eye to eye with a crazy evil terrible person like Serena.
@@zb6070 Facts. I lost all hope of Serena being redeemed when she allowed June to be forcibly raped in season 2 by Fred to "induce labor".
I think Serena desperately wants to be friends with June. Early-on she recognized June's intelligence, calling to her a "smart girl" several times. When she shows June the nursery and June uses that as an opportunity to ask to see Hannah, she later says to Fred, "I thought we Coyle at least be..." and then cuts herself, failing to finish the thought. I felt in that moment she was about to say that they could've been friends. After Serena's belting, when June goes to Serena's room to ask her if she can.do anything for her, I felt that Serena covered her mouth to stifle her tears which were earlier coming from a place of hurt but with June's concern, she desperately wanted to ask for her support but couldn't. As Fred said when she cut herself, even if she did
hurt herself, she wouldn't admit it. I think that same fear of being vulnerable kept her from seeking comfort with June.
This scene really put all those disparate elements in full relief. If you enjoyed someone's silence, you wouldn't go up to them and
say it. This is one of those instances where you want to keep the conversation going, you don't want to let things go, but you're being bullheaded and childish about it. Where it really comes to a head for Serena is at the end of the tete-a-tete when Serena cries... I think it hurt her to hear those things coming from someone she admired and looked up to.
Thank you for saying this because their relationship always confused me its like they care about each other its weird she always calls June strong and the small things like asking June's opinion. I feel like the baby kinda brought them closer
Please season 4, just one scene in which Serena gets pummeled with fists. She is not a victim! She started all of it!
2:25 : Serena's slight nod and smile was like she's saying "that's it then. We hate eachother. It's over now whatever is between us"
I can't with these two. Such an intense relationship
Serena Joys flip-flopping back and forth is getting old.
I am really surprised that Serena let Nicole out in the first place, a true believer won't choose a better life over the after life.
I live in Egypt, and most mothers here don't have any problem with their daughters growing up in a misogynistic society. Many even refuse the chance to migrate to Europe just so their daughters remain under control. Religion and cultural concepts like honor will make parents deny their children the opportunity to have a happy life. The fact that Serena wanted Nicole out of Gilead for her owns goodness proves that she doesn't really believe in the cause. She just wanted a baby.
The ultimate narcissist. Destroy an entire county just because you can’t have a child
This scene with two of the main protagonists in the show squaring off was as good as it gets. Not even Hank squaring off with Walter in the garage scene in Breaking Bad was as powerful. The backdrop of The Lincoln Memorial in ruins just makes it feel even more heavy.
Serena is an antagonist.
There relationship.... so layered!
Interesting how June & Serena argue about Nichole's freedom in a place for a great man who was the harbinger of freedom to so many people.
They fight like they are an old couple. Wtf is up with this intensity. Woah
“You will always be empty” 🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺
"in this temple as in the hearts of the people for whom he saved the union the memory of June Osborne is enshrined forever."
Junes acting is just Amazing👍🏻
This feels like a lovers´ fight
Although what they say appears to be spiteful, their faces tell another story
Or maybe they say what they do BECAUSE they feel so deeply for one another
Finally somebody noticed! At the end of this argument in which they tore each other apart, they were both so obviously heartbroken and maybe even visibly regretful. I think there were a couple harsh edges amongst the things they said, just because of the heat of the moment. It could have so easily been a conversation that snaps Serena out of it and reminds her how to properly love, and reminds her that she already knows how because she has done it before. They clearly care about each other.
I love the coloration of their clothes. The ole red vs blue, evil vs good
and that is one spectacular scene with such memorable confrontation with these 2 marvelous actresses ❤️❤️
Thanks for making this! Loved this scene!
A White Knight and Her Dark Queen
this sounds like a dark romantic novel in the making i'll buy 6 copies please !
as long as Elisabeth and Yvonne Narrate the audio book i'm sold =)
"I should have let you burn when I had the chance" I feel that. Anyone who's been betrayed by someone they trusted would know 🙃
Junes face in the beginning, she looks like she wants to spit in Serenas face when she said about the quiet being nice for a change , also the echoing as they're arguing is so good!!
Serena : Let's just stop...please
Me : urghhh what exactly do you want to stop Serena.? There's nothing goin on between you and june right. ????
This show is so powerful. In a world where women are silenced, the voices are loud as hell. One of the most important speeches during the entire show is vocalised in an iconic location (Lincoln Memorial - or what's left of it) to make it evident that the patriarchy needs to be destroyed.
this two are great, in one episode they are killing each other, and later they are having a talk like good friends, then they fight, then they talk, amazing , this two have a good chemistry, I hope the creator of the show use this well, this two together are fire
If you can hate a character onscreen you know the actress/actor is phenomenal
Jeune screams at Serena
Aunt Lydia : hold my taser
2:13 - 2:17 I keep thinking about he meme where the guys says “ but u didn’t”😂
Serena could only trust Nicole with her child in the whole world not just because June is her biological mother but bcz she feels she knows June and she's no stranger to her. Serena wouldn't be so desperate to have Nicole back if June was with her.
June: "You're small!"
Serena looking alllllll the way down at June: "girl, WHO??!"
😂😂😂😂suggestion for an alternative scene
“I should have put a ring in your mouth the day that we met.”
“I should have let you burn when I had the chance.”
And deep down Serena knew she was right. Serena knows she’s a monster and it sticks in her how June chose to save her after everything she did to her.
I heard that scene there was a huge deal, very rare. Moss said it was incredible and one of the most amazing scene she's ever acted. I loved it, except that guards could've heard it. I would think so anyway. Wouldn't have been bad or risky if they hadn't mentioned about getting Holly (I hate calling her Nicole) out.
They're in love, no one can convince me otherwise
Gross thought. She made sure she was raped multiple times. Following the Gilead law and not following it. could you fall in love for someone who did this to you?
@@YourNewPrincess love Is blind and i'm myope
@Snih Elsker no, i'm myope in real life too ._.
HAHAHAH genius
You'll never be free of me 😍
that is heart melting romantic Poetic words Ms. Osborn I'm your 🥰🌹
I don’t understand their relationship... June calls her Serena all the time and Mrs. Waterford has never really corrected her on it. It’s.. a kindred unhappiness relationship. I hope she gets a good redemption unlike Jaime Lannister.
You can't love. 😬😬😬😬😬
Im looking for the name of the music starting at 2:20 help please :-)
th-cam.com/video/Lw_9Bw5DGZY/w-d-xo.html
@@marygarrison9882 thanks a lot but this music start just after the one im looking for ;-)
Ruins of a Memorial by Adam Taylor: th-cam.com/video/NDgrhYeLBFk/w-d-xo.html
I’m surprised Serena didn’t tell Aunt Lydia about June coming at her
To me, this appears to be a love dispute. (three years later, my observation)
Funny how Serena stopped giving af about Nicole after she found out she was pregnant with her own baby lol. That obsession just disappeared
Mirrors real life 👀
This hits me so hard, I feel sorry for both women for very different reasons, I have been cruel out of hurt and emptiness, but I do love with all of my heart and fight for what is right like June so I come at it from both unique prespectives and understand that guilt, shame pain, rightness, wrongness, and it is like an onion so multilayered you cannot hate either, nor defend either 100% because neither is innocent, but both are able to be loved and understood and both are at fault. We are human. Lack of understanding just divides, it does not unite nor help a common thing wrong that these two characters are fighting for the same thing in reality but somewhere it all just went wrong and when it did it took the already down and out marginalized people and pitted them against each other too.
BRAVO VIOLIN
2 months after Capitol Hill Riot. Across from this monument.
I wish June would have said, “ I should have pulled the trigger on you and your shit husband when you searched that house”
Bravo 💯 powerful scene. 👌👏💚💛
I think June try the best to be good and human, even when her reality was destroy, but then she became more and more full of rage seeing that their hearts were like stones. Now I understand why in the 4 season her character change and become full of anger and revenge, cause you can’t have peace without a war sometimes.
video was posted on my birthday june 26th very cool!
Coming back to this scene after watching June just laying it into Serena! DO YOU UNDERSTAND ME!?
So...no one can hear them?
I was 1000 percent rooting for June in this scene the minute she said "my children," Serena cannot love. She destroyed a world, people's lives, families, violated people's personal views and ways of life, just to have her own little cookie cutter life. June should've named her daughter Holly Nicole instead!
What disturbs me so much about this scene is that Serena reminds me a lot of my own mother. When June says to her “You built this whole world, just so you could have SOMEONE!” it hit me like a ton of bricks. My mom has abused, controlled, and manipulated me to extreme degrees for exactly the same reason Serena did what she did. Just in the hopes of having her own person that would make her feel whole. But that’s the thing about parents and kids. You don’t own them and you never will! They don’t belong to you. And if you try to force them in that box, they will always rebel and reject you. One way or another.
2:20 subtitles
"I should have let you burn when i had the chance"
@@sebal17890 Yeah, but I mean the subtitles generated by TH-cam. "When I got the cheese" haha
The color scheme of their outfits is not lost on me.
Serena is an evil psychopath. I hate her so much . I am at Season 3 now and i love this show . I feel such anger against Serena and Gilead . I feel the pain and the anger for the Handmaids and June .
I hope Serena and Gilead will suffer the same pain as the Handmaids have did and i am waiting for them to get what they deserve . June is so badass to get the upperhand against Serena 🙂
Abraham Lincoln is called the Grat Emancipator for ending slavery. To see his statue defaced and destroyed is deeply shocking.
i'm waiting for season 4 :D
this is not what she wanted at all. yes, some of the ideas did come from her but her psychopathic husband turned them into something completely different with his friends. Serena was very lonely and felt unloved by everybody. she was always isolated in her home, her servants not really allowed to speak to her and she lost everything. heartbreaking, really. she had some moments of true connection with June but she couldn't get too attached as June was going to leave anyway. she's really misunderstood.
I love serena more than june.. but i thinks thats because i love serena as sara walker in chuck so much.... i cant ever see her as evil 😂😂😂
Ohhhh Sarah😍
here we are season 4 episode two and she is pregnant, holy shit, i already feel sorry for her baby :/
Serena is honestly more evil than fred
If Serena truly loved Nichole she would want her in Canada where she can have the best life possible
Serena didn't let Nicole go because she loved her. She let her go because she wanted to feel good about herself because she was feeling shitty. When that feeling left her selfishness grew 10 fold.
Serena isn't willing to let Nicole have the best life because she isn't her mother.
If Nicole was truly Serena's flesh and blood, I'm sure she would put her child's needs ahead of her own. But as she's someone else's child, Serena simply sees her as something warm and cuddly to keep her company on lonely Gilead nights.
So, in your world adoptive parents don't love their children? Be quiet moron, and stop hurting others with your pointless blablabling
Gilead and Fred had silenced and brainwashed Serena. I think June is wrong when she says that she can’t love. She can and she wanted to, but couldn’t ever since she got shot. Serena and Fred had always been religious in their past, but not to this extreme. As we saw in the flashbacks, Fred did give Serena a voice and supported her giving her speeches. I even think, in a way, Fred too was saddened when he found out that her wound meant she couldn’t bare their children. The power he had given himself in Gilead, along with the other husbands, had blinded him and made him forget what he and Serena wanted and had been working towards.
We also see in past seasons that Serena was the last one among her friends to become mothers. She was very nurturing and maternal towards their own children. Once Serena had the idea that Fred was infertile, she was desperate and went to Nick to impregnate June. She does truly love Nichole. I can personally see it. All she ever wanted was to be a mom.
I wonder if a wife get demoted to handmaid in The Handmaid's Tale?
nah if they’re infertile, they get sent to the colonies
Now i think, did Serena returned the favor?
I don't remember, was it Nicole to be taken to Canada? Is that how Serena returned the favor?
The next shot (after this scene) of June walking out to address the crowd is one of the best visuals that i will never forget from the show ✌️
Serena deserved that & MORE !!!
She could have just adopted.
The more June tells Serena that she's irredeemable, the more power Serena seeks..... Everyone can learn to love. June's a counter-culture snob.
I don't fully blame June for cuddling up to Serena... she's highly desperate in finding allies. I just hope that this confrontation would teach June a lesson.
AJ Chiong What lesson...(?) Maybe it's that Serena can't be trusted right now...
Counter-culture? Serena is an absolute monster, along with the society she has helped create. You really think that baby would be safe if the waterfords still had her?
@@patriciaoffer9585 that Serena will never be good. Even when it seems like Serena will finally make the right call, she will do another awful thing, showing she never changed, her needs just changed.
@@xanthe4547 'It seemed that she had changed, when it was only her needs that had.....'
Every line from june just doesnt sink in when shes guilty of adultery. She shouldn't have been tortured or gone through what she did. That was just inhumane. But a lecture from her.....like really.....