Sony a7S III vs a7S II Low Light Comparison | Is The a7S II Actually Better?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 11 ก.ค. 2024
- In this video I compare the low light capabilities of the Sony A7s III vs its predecessor the a7S II to see if the new version is better and if so, by how much? You'd think that with its back side illuminated sensor, improved colour science and 10 bit recording capabilities the a7S III should run rings around it's older sister...but it's just not that simple. Enjoy!
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Great video - Had a feeling the A7Sii Noise reduction was not as aggressive as Siii - controls over NR in camera would be really welcome.
outstanding video man! Thank you for the details and hard work!
Kind words, many thanks 🙏🏻
Great video Harv! An adjustable NR option would be great in a firmware update
Thanks for sharing the info 👍👍
Many thanks... Enjoyed it very much!
Wtf! You should have at least a million subscribers. Excellent personality and excellent content
So kind, glad you enjoyed this one 👍🏻
That shot at 6:21 is stunning, great video as usual Harv!
Many thanks 🙏🏻
Woah, I was literally just talking with a friend about this topic this morning! Definitely sharing it with him! Must be on the same wavelength ha ha 😎
Many thanks 🙏🏻
Loved the vid! I would also love a video on the new phantom luts for the a7s iii!
Good idea, they’ve had a huge overhaul 👍🏻
@@HarvVideoAudioStuff yes please do a video on those. Especially the neutral. Last one you did on them, they made the skin magenta 🤢. Hoping this fixes that problem.
Id like to thank you Harv for making comparison between a7sii & a7siii
There’s more to come 👍🏻
interesting comparison, i use a7sii shooting in slog2 at 12800iso all the time it's fantastic
Nice one mate
Hey Harv, great video again! Where were you able to pick up an A7siii in the UK? Everywhere I look they’re only available for pre order at the moment, but I really want to pick one up!
I managed to get one from wex but it was a preorder, they do 0% and the prices are right but aren’t always lighting fast to deliver 😅
Very interesting, the perceived sharpness from ISO 50k upwards (3:00) is way better for the A7S2 than the A7S3, but that's probably due to the NR in the S3 too
I agree.. you always lose detail applying NR to the luminance as apposed to the chroma channels.
Can you please compare a7iii to a7siii in good lighting conditions? In 4k30 please
I agree with the notion as to why would be shooting at such a high ISO (409.6k) unless you're trying to replicate a broadcast being picked up and viewed from the farthest galaxy known :) 10 bit gives one 1024 tonal values to map in... and you can see that in the highlights from the a7s III. That has nothing to do with ISO. A7s1,2,3 have the same 409.6k iso rating (light sensitivity). They all have the same resolution sensor (12.2 vs 12.1) except the A7siii has the newer larger photo sites (less space between) not to mention a BSI structure to collect more light. That right there gives the A7siii the advantage when it comes to noise. Sony officially states that Sony a7S III does not have dual ISOs, there is a point 4-stops above the base ISO where the a7S III boosts the signal to the analog digital converter resulting in lower noise. This effectively creates a second base ISO. At the native rating, the image is at its highest signal-to-noise ratio.
@@DD450it's very possible that it doesn't have a dual native ISO but rather noise reduction application of sorts. It's also been shown that the camera does not have a 12 mp sensor
I'd rather choose a camera that gives better light at lower ISO such as a7sii because it avoids more noise.
I liked those shots in Bristol they have a character
Hello Harv another awesome video please give us Raw desperate to hear your opinions and workflow I follow your channel religiously it has made all the difference in my work thank you
I’m considering getting the atomos, there will definitely be a video if I take the plunge 👍🏻
Harv Video/Audio Stuff I live about 45 minutes from you and often come to Bristol to go and get my Costco shopping very happy to lend you my ninja if you want ?
Such a kind offer, I think it would be best if I picked one up though. I could be a while trying to figure out how to get the best out of it 😅
Sorry HARV, what LUT is that at 4.12 10,000 iso, it sounds like "Tri-Un films", can you clarify? Did it also help reduce a lot of the noise?
You got it right, they’re called Triune films LUTs (aka film riot YT channel). It helped with noise in this case because it added loads of contrast 👍🏻
Thanks Bro !
Not sure if you knew this or it was said earlier (you mention it briefly at the end)... but per Philip Bloom if you externally record (atomos ninja v) it looks like crap out of camera but after using the noise reduction software of your choice... presto no noise. External recording apparently skips the internal noise reduction. If you dual record (internal vs. external) the external won't have the noise reduction whereas the internal will. To your point about Sony "please fix this" yes... but you do have alternatives if you want (and you get prores RAW, etc. but there's all of those costs (recorder, ssd's, batteries, cables, aka more stuff). Future video idea assuming you have an Atomos Ninja V (or can get a loaner) ... try this video again with both a7s-m2 and an m3 but use the Atomos. I'd be curious how they compare. m2 can only do 4:2:0 and limited prores when using the Ninja V. I'd also be curious about CINE2 on the m2 (per Gerald undone) and S-LOG3 on the m3 in low light.
Indeed I did mention this in the video, but some cool ideas here 👍🏻
Have you tried a comparison with the a7III? From what I see with some test, the a7III appear much cleaner than a7sIII (speaking of linear profiles). Log, after 12800, is better in the a7sIII. Color are always better in a7sIII. But speaking only of noise, I see much more noise in the a7sIII than a7III (visible especially in low light/underexposed situation). I also thought that there is much more noise reduction going on in the a7III but I haven't prove of that. I'm trying to figure out if I'm doing something wrong or that's effectively the case. Thanks!
Probably, but the A7s is always better at especially very low light situations. I think it can even out-perform the A1 once you get past situations of 16k or 25k ISO. Before that the A7III could be better (again in scenes where you still have light on nearly all surfaces) and the A1 definitely so.
Thanks. Very nice work. The idea lower ISO values to avoid needing an ND filter is probably more intriguing than anything else for me. Did you find this was substantial for you too?
Wow the color 😎🤘
What ISO setting are you most comfortable using on the a7s3? past 12800 do you often go further than 50000?
I’m happy up to around 40000, anything past that and I know I’ll probably be in need of noise reduction 👍🏻
@@HarvVideoAudioStuff A nice thanks for the reply my man!
Yessss, the man I learned the a7s2 on now doing a7s3 test.
geez, I thought it was that bad weather in Australia...
Well, there's also the 2,200 dollar price difference between a clean used A7SII and a new or newish A7SIII. As a retired person who is a hobbyist and not a pro, that's a significant variable.
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Cheers dude, as you mentioned Atmos Ninja...
How big a jump is Sony A7S Original compared to Sony A7S ||| for low light Filming if recorded on the Amos Ninja?
does this make a significant improvement over Sony A7S ||| if both recording raw footage Low light Filming conditions?
In your opinion does the use an external recorder like Atmos Ninja to record raw? close the gap from all the models?
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How does dynamic range change with ISO?
The fact that you show repeated footage side by side, that was shot at the same time, makes this a real comparison, opposite to what most channels around do.
They always manage to show a split screen comparison showing each side of the footage for each camera, making it a wasted comparison. Sometimes they do that correctly but they shoot it one after another instead of simultaneously, which depending on the subject, can make it an unfair comparison
2:29 hacia adelante deberías colocar la f y velocidad de obturacion en ambas
Honestly I like the colors more on the A7s II, and in fact it reproduced the colors more naturally in a city at night, I don't know why you're stating the opposite. The III looks like a dud with all that cold colors and green blobs and noise reduction. Sure the magenta artefacts are annoying on the A7S II at maximum iso, but no one in their right mind will go over 80-102 k anyway, so...
For stills, a shot at 204.800 ISO has acceptable noise?
Hmm I’m only into video so I couldn’t say, but I suspect…no 😄
@@HarvVideoAudioStuff thanks, anyway!
Great video 👌 Also nice voiceover, really enjoyed it.. What audio setup did you use ? 🙏
Many thanks 🙏🏻 I use an AKG C414 (my fav mic ever) into a warm audio preamp and a SPL crimson interface 👍🏻
@@HarvVideoAudioStuff interesting, 👌thanks a lot & keep going ! 😃
what ISO would be most comparable to your naked eye? Its impossible to tell how dark it is in a video without a comparison to the naked eye =/
So far is it worth the upgrade?
Definitely, it’s a very different beast 👍🏻
Hey bro did they fix the noise reduction yet ?
nope... :( I think they're banking on people purchasing the FX6.
I didn’t know kirk hammet also do photography during free time
Yawn, I’ve had so many of these over the years. People just see a beard and mid-length hair and pick a celeb (seemingly at random). Add Kirk hammet to the list 🙄
Look at daks stats and someone PLEASE tell me who Dallas can get who will produce like this man. My god. Dak go somewhere else where you are wanted and go kick some ass.
Dak you da man
A7S II not backlit CMOS? Backlit CMOS were introduced since 2012.
you got me after 5 sek just because of your voice and the metal intro :-D
3 minutes and 45 seconds, a stain appears on the left side of a7s2. Is this a common problem?
Yes, it is common. Morover, a7s has the same problem.
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Hi 👋🏻
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Thanks for the test, but It's not the same white balance
Thanks but I did explain this in the video. Auto WB on the first example to see how the cameras would react and a custom wb on the second using a grey card, they should look different because they’re different cameras 👍🏻
A7sii $900 or A7siii $3200? Worth it?
I suppose it depends how deep your pockets are but I think so. The a7s2 was good but the a7s3 is a dream 👍🏻
Can the human brain discriminate 16.7 million colors?
Or 1.06 billion in 10bits case? 🤔
You are ridiculous Harv, you should be doing picture quality, the Iso low light on the a7s2 is good enough, who is actually trying to shoot in the night this much if you understand good video.
You’ve gotta push the extremes to really see the differences with these cameras though do you think? None of this was meant to be ‘real world’, anyway people seem to enjoy it 😄
Yes Harv thanks for all your amazing videos I am just really surprised that the Internet has not covered in a video the picture quality difference between the two and the three I mean it’s ultra crazy because this is the most important factor in deciding whether you should upgrade other than that it has 4K 120 FPS
Many thanks, I can help there...the answer is if you can afford it then it’s definitely worth upgrading. The only thing that Sony didn’t upgrade is the mount. If you’ve not seen it my ‘First week with the a7s3’ video is worth a watch 👍🏻
The human eye can distinguish approximately 10 million colors...
All of that footage is almost pointless…. It looks horrible nonetheless.
Horrible indeed, as I said in the video. It’s entertainment tho, hopefully you enjoyed it regardless 👍🏻