Make This Part On Day One - Haas Automation Tip of the Day
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- If you’re just starting out or maybe just want a refresher on the process of going from a piece of raw stock and a blueprint to a finished part in your hand, then this video is for you. Mark walks us thru all the steps to make this stepped indicator holder . . . beginning to end.
Using a Haas TL-1, the Visual Programming System - or VPS - and Shape Creator, learn how to make a part from blueprint to finish!
Here are links to the various videos and other references Mark’s makes during the video:
Set Your Lathe Offsets Manually - Haas Automation Tip of the Day • Set Your Lathe Offsets...
TOD Bonus Content Page www.haascnc.com/video/Video-B...
Lathe G71 Troubleshooting • Troubleshoot your lath...
Haas Turning Feed and Speed Chart www.haascnc.com/content/dam/h...
Haas Turning Inserts and holders, drills www.haascnc.com/haas-tooling....
Also in case you're interested, we made a similar video for mills called "Mill Part. Start to Finish". Here is the link to that: • Make a Part From Start...
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If you are working on a Classic Haas Control Lathe with IPS, you can check out this video for more information on creating Shapes: th-cam.com/video/WC2qIYmp8oI/w-d-xo.html
Mark is seriously one of Haas’s best assets. This channel is priceless for people just starting out. Wish this was around 20 years ago!! Keep it up guys.
it's a nice refresher into the user friendly-ness of Haas..) Starting new jobby tomorrow.. all Haas, will be fun!) Glad I don't have to hold .0002's this time..) Just got to make it work !) Spoiled on Mories..) props to Mark!!!
Thanks Mark .
I was getting real frustrated trying to program a part for the first time.
You my friend made it easy to understand. 😊
THIS! Is why I bought two Haas CNCs. Im a fabricator that can CNC machine parts without years of training.
As a long time machinist, I wish I was taught in this format long ago. You should do a simple mill part to complete the set for beginners.
We should! We made a video on Setting up Mills, but we didn't cover the programming side of things in that video. It's worth checking out, th-cam.com/video/gbcMm-rSXZY/w-d-xo.html . We'll add the link to the description as well. Thanks for the comment
I've been running one of these at my job for almost a year and didn't know anything about shape creator. We always drew and programmed in fusion 360. Awesome to see all the different ways to use a machine like this
I am no longer a machinist for a living but I still love your videos
What are youu?!?! How did you escape?!
@@MyfriendthinkheOJ I changed to the railroad.
Had a friend who did the same better pay & benefits!
Been wait for this as a high school teacher! Thank you.
Great video Mark. Thanks for doing a video for CNC lathe beginners and on the toolroom lathe.
You are really the best teacher in the world, love how you explain :)
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@@davidwillard7334 i have an absolutely big respect for all the people you tell about, and some other you missed like titan of cnc ... but i prefer mister terryberry 😁
@@davidwillard7334 ??? sorry, i dont' understand what you mean at all ???
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@@davidwillard7334 I rrally hope.you work with machines, and you not deal with people. Stop shouting.and please stop your loosy comments 👎
Nice to see the TL machines being used. I have several Haas machines but the TL's are the most used (for one off's). I have just traded one of my TL1's for a new TL2 (with 3000rpm spindel). I will miss the handle wheels..but have ordered the optional electronic hand wheels. Can't wait for delivery..... it's still on the production line. Great video though.
Hello. very good video helped me a lot with my TL2 I hope more videos of this type, tutorial, especially for someone like me who is started with his first cnc machine
Thanks for this great beginner's video 👍
Very informative video and some good explanations in simple terms for everyone to understand. Hard to stay away from “machinist” terms most wouldn’t understand.
Awesome long in depth video! Thank you!
Bought a TL1 last year. I am not a programmer, at all. I do have one program that makes money and run the snot out of that, but the machine is capable of so much more. Please do more on programming the TL1!
The CNC lathe is probably the best choice for hand or conversational programming for sure. especially a TL
Very useful video! Thanks!)
You taught me alot of things man, thank you!
I always wondered : why don’t lathe manufacturers provide a practical tube to store the chuck key close to the chuck, and which has a lockout switch inside ? If you forget the key, the machine will not spin up.
@TheHookahMan They are horrible! Safety features that are difficult to use are ALWAYS bypassed or chucked out on day 1.
You are an inventor. I have tried to take products to market. It is a difficult path. I would suggest you take your idea to a suitable manufacturer, have a trusted lawyer draft a simple confidentiality agreement and get the manufacturer to sign
Hope you get rewarded for being clever. I love stories where the little guy wins a bit
I work on a mazak lathe , this is very different of what i'm used to . Mazatrol seems way more simple to me ( maybe because i'm used to it ) . Great video , thank you ^^
It is ...
@@ChinoXL91 we have Fanuc on our Doosan Lynx lathes, I´ll program this by hand in like two minutes, we have program (O0506) where we have all cycles predefined and just changing values/feeds/speeds, etc. Nothing is easier than copying everything from G54 T0101; to M01; and just changing something in between... or just write it in MDI and there you go for one part.
I work with several different generations of Mazak QTs, and I also turn long shafts on a new HAAS ST35LY. Mazaks are just all around more robust and dependable machines with better repeatability. One thing I do enjoy with the HAAS is that you can tweak the G code produced by the VPS which can give me much more finite control of the program where as programming with Mazatrol you’re kinda stuck with how the conversational program works unless you go into the parameters. Still would rather run a group of parts through a Mazak at the end of the day but there are some positives about the HAAS VPS.
Nice Video 👍👍
Love it
I like the X and Z values being negative towards the work. It makes me think "negative value, reducing work"
New information needed
Please do a tip of the day for different work holding options
Great video. A little off topic, but I'm looking for the stop-loc you are using. Can't seem to find them anywhere.
Thank you Mark for sharing this tips of the day. I would like to know where I can take more CNC lathe classes online?
For Basic Mill and Lathe Training, online, check out the Haas Certification Program: learn.haascnc.com/
Next Maschine will be an CNC Lathe.. but the budget hurts a lot. Excelent explanation, even for me, as non-native englishspeaker.
When is the tool nose comp video coming out? I could really learn a thing or two about that because I am currently struggling with it.
That's a good subject for TNR - Basically you need to manually enter the Radius value in the Tool geometry next to XZ offset and set tip direction. 8 min mark in this TOD video
th-cam.com/video/rd2u2MG6meY/w-d-xo.html
are you guys ever going to do a video on dialing in drill's in a sl-20, or any of your other lathes that have that cam on the side of the turret for drill holders? thats more of a pain then dialing in a tl.
Check out www.haascnc.com/service/troubleshooting-and-how-to/how-to/st---ds---toolholders-to-the-spindle-centerline---correction.html. Adjusting those cams on BOT holders is not bad, once you've done it once - which makes it a good candidate for a video! Thanks. If you have a BOT Turret, there will be small eccentric Cams, under the BOT holders, that can be adjusted to bring a holder in, in the Y. On a Y-axis lathe, its really simple, we just enter in the Y machine position on the Tool Offset page, and call up Y0 each time we run the tool. On a TL with a Tool Post, even turning tools will need Y-adjustments, we'll use the old machinist trick of pinching our machinist scale in between our turning tool and the part, and adjust the Tool up/down until the scale is pointing vertically (or a little positive rake). Lots of options, depending on your exact setup. We'll move this up on our list.
Hi, can you answer me if I wanna change something in countour after i made a first piece how can I do that?
Do I have to make a new program or can I change it in a existing one?
Thanks
How would you write a program to start with a radius. Say you want a .078 radius on the nose of a part then do a 30 degree angle for .250 z depth. Then do a .945 radius to .300 z depth? I'm having trouble starting with a radius and connecting a radius to a radius. Tha KS for the information.
Blah blah blah love you dude!
I own a TL-2 and am self learning. It picked up several new methods of machine control out of the video! Thanks.
. Moving x or z axis before power up . Seems to run different on my later version of code. IE: not able to move them before power up button is pressed. Which has huge implications for the setup in this video. Am I missing something?
We can Turn On Setting 53 JOG W/O ZERO RETURN, and that will allow us to Jog the Turret before we have zeroed the machine, in case we need to for some reason.
@@markterryberry4477 Enabled and tested! I also noted that pressing MDI followed with TURRET FWD or REV works. Great tip!
Now if it was possible to have multiple MDI programs! Much like PC editors allow multiple files to be edited.
It would also be nice to have VPS generated a program that had both the G71 (ruffing pass) along with G70 (finishing pass) into same MDI!
nice
Turn a part. Jog the drill to the turned part. Add both on center.
I done that beforer on a manual laths. Cause setting up stock piece of steel in it then my co worker decided to ask me a question on his piece he was working on so i came back and idoit me forgot to takes it out i end up braking both the laths and i also shot the tee handle into acrosse the shop into a cmm machine so i just after happend immediately resinged cause better to quite than being fireds
Oh no! Sorry to hear about this Adam. At our big trade shows (IMTS, EMO), doing something like that is always a big risk (not tightening part, or flipping it) because we are always talking with customers, talking about the cool parts they are making and we get distracted. Every morning, my boss would gather up everyone and tell us again that if we get distracted at all, we have to stop, and start the whole part-load process again from scratch. We'll add probing routines to check part orientation to check for this kind of thing. Leaving the T-handle in the chuck is a tough one. Thanks for posting. Leaving a vise handle on the vise when running, on mills, can cause us problems as well. Always good to double check.
@@markterryberry4477 yep it is cause if do like i did when happend to me i quite before could get fireds so not as bads lookings 😂
What are the collet holders used in this video called.. Specifically the "holders of the Collet holders" used in this 4 station turret itself. I assume a boring bar type holder, but can't seem to find them for this style turret.
They're the ones that come with the machine, just a 1" boring tool holder with a 3/4" shank mount. I haven't been able to find anything similar for my tl, I've just made gang blocks to supplement it.
Im a manual machinist with 40yrs experience, I would so love to buy a lathe like this but having watched this and numerous other videos I just get lost with the idea of programming. Ive even considered buying one and jumping in at the deep end but common sense keeps stopping me.
i am a manual machinist and i bought this machine because it was to be an easy introduction into cnc, but the manual is horrible at explaing any of the functions. it assumes that you know how to run cnc. does Haas sell a better manual for the tl series lathes that will help me learn this machine??
Man, figures the only time I'm first to comment it gets removed lol
Sandman, Well we can attest that it happened so at least there's that. :)
i looked in my book and it doesnt tell me how to turn this 53 setting. it only tells me its dangerous. please help
The DTI he used to clock the tool holder, can anyone name the specific type of DTI used? Struggling to clock tool holders at work due to the Y axis being out and using a conventional clock on the spindle is harder when it spins but that clock stays perfectly upright at all time and would be very useful.... Wondering if you can name the type of DTI or the actual Make and Model? Much appreciated
In the video we used a Blake Coaxial Indicator (.375" shank). The Coaxial indicator on the bench was a Haimer Centro with a 16mm shank. Both the Blake and the Haimer have arms that mount to the side of the indicator to keep the indicator face from rotating with the spindle. We made a video on indicators for mills, which helps explain the topic as well th-cam.com/video/kvkO_If3UVg/w-d-xo.html
it's looks kind of simple
So I bought one of the Haas double chamfer tools (45deg top and bottom) . I never put a lot of thought into it until the other day when I wanted to chamfer both the top and bottom of a part to save another op and realized I did not have a simple op in Mastercam 2021 to accomplish this toolpath. Any suggestions on how to go about programming this seemingly "simple" task?
Just program the block of code you use that specific tool in by hand use 2 different tool offsets for the top and bottom of the tool
im a beginner, i would like to konw whats CAM is best to use in our new ST 40L, i was was suggested to use SOLIDWORKS, what can you suggest. Thank you!
i would ditch the cam software learn how to code ,once learnt its there,cam software does ridioucolous things a circle is one move not 720 lines
Hello, please for Polish subtitles for this video.
If people at a shop ridicule you for not knowing stuff you haven't learned yet, it's the wrong shop o be working in...
Exactly! We get a lot of comments like "If you're a machinist you should already know this", and that's when we know we have a good video, because its on a topic that folks think all machinists should know. We were not born with these experiences though, we just pick things up over time or from a mentor if we are fortunate enough to have one. Great comment.
So you enter zero for the X diameter and it reds as -8.189 on the monitor? Whys that? At 3:20
Because that is the centerline for that particular machine. Some other machine tool builders have their centerline as X0 for X. Some others like Haas have it different.
How do you Slow Down your graphics display in Next Gen?
From the Graphics Screen we can now press F3 to go slower, or F4 to speed up the simulation. This feature was introduced in software version 100.20.000.1100 which also added graphics in multiple planes (G17, G18, G19)
27:37 Said no machinist ever
Why was G42 used and not G41?????????
Glad we never got a TL lathe
27:37 i wish it was true
I want to buy the machine but your company doesn't want to sell it
good machine but so expensive
I think better to use laptop and cam software, make a program in 1min.
it's not that CNCs are difficult, it's that people who make CNC software make it difficult for no reason
machines that force panel programming with G-codes belong to the museum, every bigger CNC producer should develop basic in-built CAM software for their machines
G-codes are OK if you generate them as pathways with your CAD/CAM software but not for on-panel programming
operators who program on the panel usually machine basic parts and need easy, quick and idiot-proof set of predefined processes and system that auto generates stuff like "home pathways", navigation around workpiece, rotating turret away from workpiece.. we work on old mazak machines with system from late 90's and it's gazzilion times easier than this, i just add pre-defined process, set shape and the system generates everything else, my biggest concern are cutting conditions and machining time
if i had to waste two hours to read through some dumbass billion lines G-code for such shitty basic part like this just to check if i copy&paste everything correctly so the turret returns to home position and is not going to rotate itself into spinning workpiece, i'd rather quit my job
they'd have to pay me enough that i could buy myself sportcars and 3 floor villa with swimming pool to endure such doses of daily stress
also to note that most machine crashes are caused by this dumb G-programming, you have billions of letters infront of yourself, mistake in single line and the machine just scraps itself, sometimes even hurts or kills the operator
1:47 Top secret formula CADCAM dont want you know
(1-tan(45/2))*0.031+0.02=0.0382 thats your chamfer size with tool radius 0.031
put your nose 0 real machiner dont need them like G41/G42.
real machiner have to know exact where machine go so make program by hand and thats dat
if there paper size room after last z value it wont hit chuck LOL
you never know where machine go with compensation..
and those error
X-0.62
G1 Z0
0.9236
X1.25 Z-0.0382
OR
X.0.062
G1 Z0
X1 C0.0382
Z-
So what's your solution to control radius wear? Your example makes a dumb program, what if you change your tools? Now you need to re-program. "You never know where machine go with compensation" -wtf? "if there paper size room after last z value it wont hit chuck" -It's impossible to hit the chuck, there's limits, program check and collision check unless you work on a some old machine. It's much better to let the machine control TNR. Imagine if your grooving insert for mild steel has a corner radius of 0.2 and the insert for stainless has 0.4 or you just change to a different tool for other reasons, -> re-program=dumb.
14:12 20 years and it all inside square lol. mambo jambo vc90-300 ap 0.5-5.0 feed 0.15-0.6
how the hell pick correct numbers from 3 option. boss would say 300 5.0 and 0.6 max everything, but its not LOL
its same as give formula this much material remove minute i pick 2 and calculate 3rd.
i might guess everything in middle raise one lower one. then you have all number you cut 20 years so why need these LOL
If this is day one, I don’t think I’ll show up for day 2 ... 😉
We've got you covered for day 2 also! I kind of made it look hard, by showing every check that I normally do in my head. After the first few times, all those checks become second nature and the whole process takes just minutes. Thanks for the comment, it did make me grin
@@markterryberry4477 Thanks. Love your videos, you have great teaching skills !
Hey there, I´m CNC lathe machinist just for second month... First two weeks were nightmare, shit in pants all the time, but now? Feeling more confident, getting to the routines, checks, on the first day my collegue (friend) set up the program, showing it to me just briefly, telling what he was doing. I ran about 50 parts. After that, he showed me the same thing, just for another part. Few times he showed it to me like that, then I was the guy to find a program in memory, to set up the tools into the turret, on the next day, I set up all tools in the off-set page before running the program, on my second week, he got me to set up the program and do all things around it. Now, month after school and getting the job, we´re running on two shifts, I´m finding it little difficult to set up one machine while running parts on second (no bar puller etc.) and especially when you´re payed from time it takes you to machine the parts.
If you´re willing to learn, you´ll get into it, I never stood in front of/operated CNC machine in school (I was learning as CNC machinist, what of oxymoron) but when he said something, I wrote it down... I have written all cycles that we use in my book. G70, G71, G72, G75, G76, G83, G84, as far as it goes, I have written what all addresses mean in that cycle.
This would be hell of a great first day :D
5:57 you allready told it g54 was 0 when you told t1 is zo lol. why need make it twice lol
Can you email me the program for that part ..??? Or the print
The programs and files can be found here. www.haascnc.com/video/Video-Bonus-Content.html. If you need them emailed, you can reach out to us at TOD@haascnc.com and we can send them out.