Standing Firm, Q&A session
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 26 ส.ค. 2024
- From the 2012 Ligonier West Coast Conference with John MacArthur, Steven J. Lawson, and R.C. Sproul, moderated by Chris Larson
Questions:
How do you various speakers stand firm together when you disagree about certain issues? (1:45)
How important is it to stand firm on the historicity of Adam? (7:21)
Will all ethnic Israel be saved? (10:37)
Will prayers to Mary and the saints keep someone out of heaven if they profess faith in Christ? (11:34)
What is the gospel? (18:12)
Could mystical prayer lead to the “one-world religion”? (23:04)
Should a Christian vote for a presidential candidate who doesn’t have an orthodox view of the doctrine of the Trinity? (26:05)
What about claims of special revelation? (33:38)
Do still-born children go to heaven? (39:23)
Does God love us just the way we are? (43:17)
Why are so many Christians against Reformed theology? (49:02)
What strategy would you employ to stir men up to serve the Lord? (1:02:43)
Revelations tells us in the last days, deception will be the big thing. We see it on the news each night.
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I miss this man of God
Amen 🙏 what a blessing I’ve been blessed with today. Thank you
Loved this so much, so informative. I have listened to Sproul and MacArthur for more than 45 years and I am still learning. I’m so happy to see Pastor Lawson more frequently. I am listening to 0ne Place Ministry regularly also.
Pray for Catholics, they don’t know. Pray, they are blind and need to be saved.
I absolutely love the Ligonier Ministries. I continue to listen to R.C. Sproul and others. And of course John Macarthur, Voddie Baucham, John Lennox. And finished my list, and I know these ones are the real thing; in a world where the right "Core", of the gospel is so perverted. Therefore feels good to be part of this wonderful family of Christ.
Probably I will never meet these people of God who enriched my life so deeply as I continue to listen to them as they teach the word of God. Obviously, I have a fellowship that I am going to and cherish. When I listen to my Pastor giving the message every week, I see many similarities to Pastor John MacArthur's preaching. One day I will all these beautiful men and women of God who inspired, and still inspire my life through their talks, such as questions and answers, and through their teachings or preaching. Kind Regards
VODDIE I USE TOO UNTIL HE SAIS WE ARE NOT SAVED FOREVER..NOT WHAT THE BIB LE SAYS
these q and a sessions are a real blessing, I appreciate you making these available.
Thankful for these men.
Dr.John MacArthur is truly an amazing preacher when he preaches :) this group is absolutely amazing! God bless you all!
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Proclaiming the Truth, the only Truth - Christ, boldly... Thank you, you are the true men of God! All Glory to God!
Mary said"My soul magnifies the Lord and my spirit rejoices in GOD MY SAVIOUR"
Amen
Hi everybody and thanks to the people on the panel for their great work. And I say that as a catholic woman. At min. 12:00 there is an error of R.C. Sproul which I would like to correct, regarding catholic mass. The belief that in this sacrament, through the transforming power of the Holy Spirit, the risen Christ is permanently present for us with his body and blood in the signs of bread and wine is referred to in theology as the "Real Presence". Presence does not mean that the sacrifice is done over and over agaain. He who is present there is Christus ressurexit. This is much different from what very often is said by evangelical or reformed theologians or others... As it is very often... Issues are often very subtle... but once you seem it gives great clarity. God bless all of you, Sarah
Truth in Christ can be bitter to swallow for those who do not accept the *Almighty I AM* as Alpha and Omega.
I'm so thankful that there is now a media through which we can be blessed by God's own people! These men are among the best.❣
very succinctly put Mr. Lawson on how the Scriptures multiply!!! great discussion! God Bless!
I so agree that these men are truly Gods men. I so appreciate what they have to say. It confirms my understanding of God. I get so much oh yea stuff from people, they just don't understand or while take anytime to listen to another opinion.
wonderful warriors of God..
I think men are the hardest to surrender to God, because men. Are emotionally independent and full of pride because that's how they are taught from their fathers! Taught to be tough and self problem solvers so it's difficult for them to ask for help and really struggle with surrending!
I CALL JOHN MACARTHUR,STEVE LAWSON,PAUL WASHER,VODDIE BAUCHAM,SINCLAIR FERGUSON,JOHN PIPER,DAVID MILLER,RICHARD OWEN ROBERTS,TOO NAME A FEW MODERN DAY DECIPLES.RC SPROUL WAS ONE,HE PASSED TO HOME WITH OUR LORD IN 2017. MAY GOD BLESS,AMEN❤
The Lord is speaking to us through these men in these darker days. Thank you Almighty Yaweh, Christ Jesus, and Holy Paraclet!🙏🏽
Well say RC: The Roman Catholic institution is not a church
Glory to GOD!!! Thank you for this important information!
There is not one answer not biblical & I agree all totally. God bless you all!
LOVE LAWSON
The Roman Catholic Church is exactly what it claims to be. Roman.
It was the reformers who did as the Anglican denomination didn't come into being until afterwards. BTW the Catholic Church does sometimes us the word Roman in documents.
I’d go with “strange fire” as the title.
Without understanding the creation and fall of man there is no need for Christ’s sacrifice. The need for blood to remit sin would make no sense. It has everything to do with the original cost of original sin. Without that there is no bible. You also can’t understand creation through a fallen state. Only in and by the quickening power of the Holy Spirit through salvation
I learned much from this. It would be helpful to have a transcript. I am very thankful for these men, their faithfulness and ministries.
Blessedly informative!!
If only I could have asked this question to Ligonier: What if none of the candidates running for Priminister in the UK are against abortion or at least are not prohibiting it publicly. Should I abstain from voting or should I continue to pray that they'd have a change of heart and vote for the lesser evil when it comes to other subjects? The UK are supposed to be democratic but I don't see the faithfulness to that these days.
Awesome men
Very good very good
Adam is the first Messenger in Islam belief, but it has nothing to do with Godhead of Christianity! This Q & A is excellence!
I liked Sprouls opinion on his criteria for President… how many Christians can see who best represents them in 2024? Can they see past the MSM propaganda?
Great wisdom ✝💒
It's hard to believe that R.C. teaches and promotes infant baptism. Scripture states that baptism follows being born again. An infant cannot make that affirmation.
Christ is the one who baptizes.
God is a consuming fire
Joy.
Christ is the new Israel. Out of Egypt have I called my Son. The holy city coming down out of heaven becomes in Rev. 22 the Church. To have some other salvation than through the Cross for a special race would be an untruth.
32:00 I love J Mac, but when he asks, "Why would God be giving special revelation to the people with the worst theology?, it reminded me of the 2nd Temple religious Jews attitude toward Jesus himself.
YAA GOTTA LOVE THESE Q/A GROUP'
I understand and agree with most of what's being said but didn't quite understand the part where in the Catholic mass there is the non bloody repetition of Christ's sacrifice. Is it the part of communion?
+Joao Rodrigues I was raised in the Roman Catholic Church and have left that institution... R.C. has a series on Roman Catholicism ( 7 message series, well worth the investment). He teaches, if not mistaken, that the Roman Catholic Church believes (an Aristotilian view).. that though the accidens (that is the outward visible bread and wine) remain visible as bread and wine; that when the priest prays the prayer of consecration, that these elements actually become (miraculously) the body and blood of Christ. Thus you have Christ being sacrificed over and over again everywhere this is done ( a non-bloody sacrifice). Of course protestants, on varying levels disagree with this, as do I.
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Regarding "miraculous events," does it mean that when a Christian prays for the sick, in the name of Jesus, and they recover this is in fact being done by the devil? If so, then what to make of the Great Comission to all Christians in Mark 16:15-18?
Joao Rodrigues You are assuming a miracle occured. God can hasten recovery without working a miracle, which is something outside the bounds of normal occurence.
How can we measure what is or what isn't outside a normal (natural) occurrence? Bodies are different and react differently to more or less the same causes. My point was, if I remember correctly, to question the apparent unacceptance, on the part of the speakers, of present day miracle workers in the Name of Jesus.
@@JoaoRodrigues-jc7jr I've heard them say they believe in miracles by the providence of God and not through particular men or women. God heals by His own sovereignty. Therefore we pray for people but must understand it is all due to God's providence to heal.
Amen Tracey~~
The outcome(s) are ultimately left to the sovereignty of God.
He has a plan for EACH and for ALL and it fits into his plan for EVERY.
"All things work together for the good of them that love God and are the called according to his purpose."
Shalom!
The devil cannot perform miraculous events through a Christian. Dump the devil
This is amazing. The only issue I have with this is that they don't put this at the end of the conference, that they stole each other's message :D but it's great to see the same point spoken through different mouths though.
Anyone knows the reason why they put QnA in the middle?
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The question that I have is if all these men and they do claim to have the same beliefs in regards to Gods written word. How then can they have a different belief in what baptism or any theology is when there is only one interpretation of it and that is from the time and language from what it is written in the Bible?
Ultimately, I believe it goes back to this: we are naturally a fallen people… the issues these men are divided on are not issues that regard our salvation. Did God have one singular meaning when inspiring scripture? Yes he did. But in our fallenness we are unable to grasp and understand ALL of his revelation. There are things we HAVE to get right and agree on to be saved: we are saved by grace through faith, and once we have that faith Jesus gives us His righteousness so that when God looks upon us he doesn’t see us as unrighteous, He has mercy upon us because of his grace- undeserved goodwill. But as a fallen people there are some things that we won’t comprehend completely or correctly and if those things are not salvivic then I believe we have a liberty to do that, but also we have an obligation to try to understand Better the things the Bible teaches.
I hope this helps!
I though all Israel was “ never intended to be saved.”?
Well there is so much I want to say about this; so I will start with this; yes I agree we need to get back to the teaching of the scriptures; they Jesus and the Apostles taught; the old path; that is tried and true; So it was said that we all have error mixed in with our truth, So the question is this; how can we have error if we are being lead by the Holy Spirit; who said he would lead us into all truth;And we shall know the truth and the truth will set us free; So maybe we should seek God for our truth instead of man, man errors; God does not; So if we are getting to scriptures, then lets stand on what Paul said; I will not dare speak of those things that God has not wrought by me,
And at some point people need to get past their pet sins; sin is a reproach to a nation, just says sin, and sin is sin, and when you speak out against sin, then you are judging it to be bad, and sin is sin, it is all bad, and if you hate you are a murder;Big difference in pro choice, and pro abortion; When it comes to them they want their freedom, their right to choose, but yet do not want others to, why do you speak of those things done in secret; why do you meddle in others affairs, being a busy body; all is sin, God will judge; ; You know in scripture it says to to your own work, mind your own business; As for me and my house; we need to move own and build and grow ourselves up into him, for God will call the church together, and we will not be pointing out the sins of the world, they did not in scripture, and we will not in the called church the true church ; Paul said you can do any thing you want ; but is any thing a profit unto you;( you decide) I tell you when a person is truly born again, they will cease from sin, and bear fruit;
+Tresa Sanders
I understand what you are saying but on this point you are in disagreement with Paul when you say, "when a person is truly born again, they will cease from sin, and bear fruit. Yes you will bear fruit and you will want to please God and hate the sin you do and ultimately stop doing it.. Never the less, Paul said even he did not do the good that he wanted to and did what he did not want to do at times. The process is called sanctification. We grow spiritually at different rates as believers and we need teachers at times to teach us Gods word. Unfortunately, we as humans are fallable. This is not an excuse to sin, by no means, but we must be diligent to look into scripture and see if the things we are being taught are so (like the Bereans). It is all of grace and God will bring us through to victory (ultimately). Elsewhere he says that if you say you do not have sin that you are deceived and you have no part in God
Yes the Holy Spirit will teach us and direct us into all righteousness...but remember God gave the church teachers whom He has gifted and prepared for the edification of His church. Sorry for the rant. But it is more complex than just sinning or not sinning. God bless you and all the believers here that they would be Holy and love the Lord with everything they have.
I think it's a type of communion, the remembrance of Christ sacrificed not an actual part taking of the sacrifice (non bloodied as Sproul put it)
No, they believe in transubstantiation which to them, the bread and wine become the actual blood and body of Jesus Christ, which the priest then sacrifices time and again, although an unbloody one. But even to this a true sacrifice MUST be by blood only, see Cain and Able. So either way you look at it, this goes against scripture. Catholics hold the church and tradition equal with the Word of God, but how can ANYTHING touched by human hands EVER be equal to God? I believe this was the whole point God was trying to show us through the law in the Old Testament.
I agree whole hearted with the biblical stance of these gentlemen. I am however slight insulted. There are Catholics my family. The reason why I'm twisted up by it is they have these observations on the Roman church but I have yet to hear anyone state academic basis for there opinion. R. C. Sproul claiming to be a student of the Roman church is clearly not stating academic basis for these claims. Were any of these gentlemen members of the catholic faith? Again I believe in Christ has saved me. I don't get it. Reading book about the Catholic church doesn't make anyone an expert on the issue.
Watch it again. RC Sproul and John MacArthur both explain the reason behind their claims. Like you, I have people I love caught up in what they believe is a Christian church (Word of Faith, not Roman Catholic) and I have people I love who don't (at this time) accept Jesus Christ. As Christians - we know (biblically) that this is how it is/will be - ultimately for His name's sake. Jesus tells us this. It's heart breaking for us (humanly speaking) but Jesus also said that if we can not 'give' up or turn away from people we love - for Him - then we cannot be His disciples. We take things personally when it involves people we love. Don't. If you agree wholeheartedly in their biblical stance then go share it with your family.
Hello, I'm not an expert but I read my Bible and believe it is true. Nowhere in the Bible is there mention of a confessional where a man grants me remission from the sin I confessed after I say my penance, which is or are mantras, repetitive prayer to man made deity. Holy Mary, Mother of God. Where did this practice come from? It isn't scriptural.
Jesus, Messiah, gave clear instruction that we should be happy that he is gone to the father. Not only for the indwelling of his Holy Spirit but now is opened because of Jesus being with our father, direct prayer to our father and brother with the promise of prayer being heard and answered according to God's will.
Why, having the promise from Jesus, paid for by him laying down his life for me, would I insult and soil, even threaten my salvation, he purchased for me with his life by a public display of him without sin, crucified. The humiliation heaped upon him as he carried that tree to Calvary is unfathomable for me to comprehend and I cry. Then Him resurrected and I with Him, tears to the fullness of His joy in the twinkling of an eye. Abba Father
Why would I ever be inclined, coerced, persuaded, convinced, manipulated,
conned, threatened, or have need to enter a dark telephone booth, open a little screened and draped window, to talk to a man deeply bound in traditions of men, professing to be representing God, this catholic priest absolves me of sin from behind a wall in darkness.
I thought this new covenant, the unblemished lamb sacrificed to death but resurrected to life, ended the Mosaic covenant, animal sacrifice for the temporary remission of sin and the mortal Levitt Priesthood replaced by a better covenant with our High Priest, the order of Melchisedec, immortal. This new covenant requiring no blood sacrifice for the remission of sin as this High Priest immortal, putting on mortality, lay down his life for his friends, the last blood sacrifice. This High Priest, perfect, without sin, innocent, was brought to judgment by the Wicked, tried, found guilty, sentenced to death, crucified to death. The Wicked, joyful that they had extinguished the light of life, the unrighteous in darkness celebrating, victorious over their enemy truth, light and life until captivity was made captive by the truth being born again, Death itself defeated by life, truth and the way resurrected from death to life tore the veil opening the Holy of Holies to all who believe in him whom he sent. This new and perfect covenant is not a respecter of blood lines as was the replaced Levitt Priesthood. It being mortal, the Priests all descendants by blood from Levi. Aaron, chosen by God and anointed by Moses, his brother to be the first of a long line of Levitt's dying and replaced, similar to the animals sacrificed year after year.
Catholicism took on the trappings of the Pharisaical Levitt Priesthood and stayed in the Mosaic Covenant, remaining under the law. In rejecting Jesus and Father God including blaspheme of the Holy Spirit, they are denied access to the promises and the substance of, and the properties which are available to all Christ followers. If Mary and all the saints they transformed (deified) are dead, not having been anointed by God but made as gods by man, and by their ignorance and rebellion against God, unbelief, they have become the five virgins locked out of the wedding having no oil in their lambs, gate closed and locked. Believing that the commandments given to Moses still operational they go through the motions of traditions practiced for so long they have forgotten they invented them and defend them with a claim that theirs is the only church established by Jesus. God turned out the lights and cut off the power in the Mosaic Tabernacle 2000 years ago. What Catholics offer for the remission of sins wasn't originated by the only one with the power and the authority to forgive sin, thus purifying the sinner. Without remission of sins there can be no salvation. What are the wages of sin? Good thing they are Catholics. They created two places to go when dead that aren't in the Bible but then either are they. Since heaven is out of the question and hell too familiar, they'll maybe get to choose between limbo or purgatory.
Remember when Jesus warned to beware of the leavening of the Pharisees? These are them of whom he warned. The warning is being validated today possibly in the church you attend. It seems the objects in churches symbolically representing spiritual principles and concepts eventually over time become the object of worship, no one remembering what they represented. It still having the appearance of holiness but hasn't it's substance carbon copy defining it's worshippers. Don't worry for Catholics. There will be a remaining remnant and God will choose who he will for salvation to his purpose.
He is the author and the finisher. Not me or you. I know some of you out there, especially proponents of the importance of exercising their so-called free will believe you are the author and Him the finisher. It is not true but is very close to transforming yourself which satin has done into an angel of light and his followers into ministers of righteousness. Coming soon to a church near you.
People, read your Bibles, It's transforming.
She Said I will watch it again
***** Thanks Frank,
I had forgotten about this' One thing it brings home is the concrete commitment to it
a creed or core statement of denominational
absolute and unconditional agreement as a requirement for membership in this body of believers. That being said, it makes it impossible for myself to ever subscribe to a sect or cult with any doctrine unsupportable by Bible scripture. There is and can be scriptural disagreement in a doctrine but not when it is gospel and involves salvation.
People are free to belief the Earth is flat. It isn't my duty to be a missionary of God's Word. Or do anything. If you love God, His Word and do the two commandants Jesus brought into this covenant, That is the works of your faith, which aren't works but your faith
made visible, they being one thing.
The last thing a Christ seeker should do is preach and teach a religion falsely. One can't give what one doesn't have to give. Spiritual understanding/revelation is given from God. If
it could be earned by works then it would be of this world not from God. God ls spirit, understood and worshipped in spirit. He chooses whom he will. Not you but him. He's knocking on your door right now, answer it.
I agree with your statement
Well, since you don't believe that God still speaks to people directly, let me tell you something I heard Him say. And, I guess, since you don't believe it and evidently people consider you to be someone with something to say about it who should know, then I guess it won't happen the same way that God told me?
These sessions are really quite the joke. You might as well just have a laugh track going in the back ground. Are you sure you have congregations or are they just fan bases? What strikes me as a little bit funny is that if anyone really seems to fit the description of people who would stand before God in the judgement and tell him how it is that they did everything right and cast out demons in his name, etc., it could just as easily be this group as any who they point their fingers at.
"What I want you to do is listen to Me very carefully. What I'm about to tell you is very important. You must do exactly as I say. Do not be afraid, I am there with you. Don't listen to anything anyone else says. Only listen to Me. I am the only one who has anything important to say.
What I want you to receive from Me is who you are. It means all of the things you will do. It is My name that you will do them in.
Keep listening to Me at all times and don't let the world distract you. They don't have anything important to say. It won't make any difference if they say it or not. What you need to know are only the things that I tell you. That's what will get you there. The world is not trying to help you. They will only deceive you if you let them. So pay them no attention!
I know you because of the things you will do for Me. This is who I've always known you to be. I will never change My mind about who you are. You are very dear to Me. That is your name. Have you received it? When you say your name you confess who you are to Me! This is who I have called you and I mean what I say! Nobody else can say your name without confessing who you are to Me. Because that's who I have called you.
Don't answer anybody who doesn't actually call you by your name. Because that's not who you are. You will see the reality of this unfold before your very eyes! You will see it happen exactly as I have said when you acknowledge the truth that's in your own name. Don't worry about giving people your name because they can't use it if they don't know Me. Your name is who you are to Me."