Top 10 Things To Know BEFORE Buying Steinway & Sons
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 19 พ.ค. 2024
- It’s hard to talk about the pianos without talking about Steinway & Sons. The Steinway family has an incredible history with roots in Germany about 200 years ago. In the early days of piano-making, Steinway moved to New York, moving from producing only piano components into a full piano manufacturing operation. People who don’t know anything about pianos still know Steinway and that says a lot about what they have brought to the piano world. Let's take a look at 10 things to know about Steinway & Sons.
00:37 Skip Intro
1. 01:28 History
2. 04:58 The Power of Marketing
3. 07:35 The Family of Steinway
4. 10:24 Know Your Options
5. 12:16 Steinway Piano Bank
6. 17:06 All Steinway Schools
7. 20:08 Investment
8. 24:03 Know Your Lines
9. 27:28 Who Owns Steinway?
10. 28:26 Where are Steinways Going?
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We had a terrible experience with the sales person at our local brand new Steinway showroom. In the end we took delivery of a brand new Shigeru Kawai SK6 from Portland Piano Company. Absolutely love it
My 1927 Steinway M was rebuilt with new strings, hammers and dampers. My technician insisted on using only Steinway parts so it remains a true Steinway. Fortunately, the original soundboard was in good shape so the fine, mellow tone was retained. He incidentally was able to repair several ivories and polished all the brass bits. The instrument inspires me!
"The price keeps going up..." In 1973 the list price of a *B* ebony was $6810. I know because I worked at a S&S dealer then. Multiply that by the inflation adjustment 1973-2024 and you will be QUITE SHOCKED to see their outlier pricing!
Great conversation- interesting to watch. For many Steinway is the pinnacle. There’s a reason conservatories and concert halls use these instruments. Their tone, feel and precision set the standard for pianists. Some instruments aren’t impressive but the standouts are leagues above other brands. One thing not mentioned is the converging of the Hamburg and NY manufacturing techniques. This is ongoing and NY has opted for rounded arms now. I would advise getting a slightly used but not heavily used instrument where you’re not paying the premium for new but not buying someone else’s problem. Pianos take some time for their sound to mature so a used instrument will give a better idea of what the piano is. I’d also advise against non-Steinway modifications. They’ve been tweaking the process for 150+ years and their techniques are proprietary. Have some respect for that. There’s definite secrets to the soundboard that nobody will ever figure out. A used C&A is a rare but great find. Not every Steinway is great but there could be wildly different opinions about the same instrument based on the conditioning of one’s ears. “golden age” is BS. Some eras were better than others but over the last 10 years the quality of concert instruments is tremendous. Finally, a Steinway technician is also a huge asset as they can mold the instrument to your liking. The instruments are highly adjustable and customizable. Hope this helps. Comes from my experience choosing an incredible piano.
Proud to learn the trade of piano technology for my encore career! Gotta learn on the best to work on the best! Just bought a Boston and I’m thrilled!
I enjoy your series. Thankfully, I have owned five Steinways. Being a concert pianist, I have been blessed to be able to purchase a D. When you say “Steinwas, ” that refers to a Steinway that has had the original soundboard removed and another soundboard replaced that was not made by Steinway. The sound is very different. I have played a few of them. The sound board is the life of any piano. Everything else can be replaced by an outside technician and then replaced again, but the sound board is a non negotiable option for me when purchasing a Steinway. Hope this helps. Keep up the wonderful series.
Honestly I cannot stand the steinway soundboards. I mean from the objective measurements such as the pluck test their manufacturing techniques don't stand up to just about every other brand of a similar quality. I mean the main thing is their process is inconsistant. The optimal way is the curved rib style crown system as opposed to the method used by steinway. As my mentor told me "I would never let a piano leave my shop in such a poor state." Sadly that is the case for the majority of them given that you have to rely a little bit on luck given the incosistancy of the process meaning mabey 1 in 10 are amaizing when 8 in 10 c.bechsteins, Mason and hamlin, and bluthnes are amaizing. Not to mention that about 1 in 3 are horrific sounding.
Steinways have the accelerated action, the best on the planet.@@zackeryhardy9504
Sorry, no. STEINWAS refers to an instrument which has received non-S&S parts. It MAY be the soundboard, but could be the pinblock, strings, whippens etc. It's interesting that one's technician can actually get and install better pinblocks strings bass strings and action parts than the OEM, so if you're not going to sell your "Steinwas" (keep it in the family etc.) who cares? Enjoy your possibly *improved* S&S grand...
I think it would be cool if you guys can write a book about all the stories and history behind the piano industry!
theodore heintzman of heintzman and co from canada actually was on the same ship as steinway coming over to nyc. its to verified, but pretty cool story. Steinway, Heintzman, some of the greatest pianos ever built
Many years ago the local sheet music store had a Conn upright for customers to try out scores on. It seemed a one-off piano. Given what you’ve said about ownership was that actually a Steinway built piano?
Would you please do a video on 'Fazioli' Pianos?
A used Steinway can be a good investment. A new one...not so much!
Steinway is currently owned by the guy that shorted the mortgage derivatives in the stock market in 2008. I can't remember his actual name, but his character was played by Christian Bale on the "The Big Short"
The oldest
All-Steinway School in Ohio, you guys mention, is Oberlin 🙂
Steinway is the Apple of the piano world.
No, that's Fazioli. Steinway is more like Alienware.
@@quadricode Faziolis are actually very very good, they're also very expensive.
@@Bangy I guess my implication is that Apple computers are also good, at least sometimes. (:
A New York Steinway is the best on the planet.
A lot of clever marketing, certainly - but without products that really have “soul”, even the best marketing tricks would be useless … nothing compares to a Steinway, period.
I was under the impression that Steinway slipped in quality about 20: years ago. Are they now up to their old standards?
They slipped about 70 years ago in the 50s with most other pianos. Sadly unlike some of the other companies like bechstein, bosendorfer, and mason and hamlin they never came back. New york steinway that is. Hamergs are completely different in design.
I played 3 over the weekend and loved the time spent in the Steinway Gallery. Exquisite beauty, Rich tone, and such fun to play! I felt and heard the quality! Bought a Boston 5’4”. My heart was won over by the 9’ concert grand, but the Boston fit was me too! Getting ready to train for my encore career!
I felt this video was not balanced enough. Didn't talk about all of Steinway's lawsuits, their artist lock-in, their wild inconsistency, often poor out-of-factory performance (shipping with sawdust in it !!), and the fact so many rebuilders "flip" them. The best of Steinway's best are world-class. But the best of Steinway usually don't make it into customer's homes.
They also went through a period when the cats kept in the factory to keep down the rat population were actually peeing on the soundboards. I think they are over hyped .
Steinway is nothing but a bunch of bullies. They do twist the arm of schools and artists! The most famous story is that Carnegie Hall is an all Steinway venue, by contract. Several artists over the years have wanted a different brand, specifically Liberace. Whether you like him or not, he was famous and he was a Baldwin artist. He was nearly denied the concert in New York until the venue reluctantly acquiesced at the last minute.
Now Steinway is not allowing piano restorers to work on their old pianos, under threat of lawsuit. You cannot even get a Steinway fallboard decal without fear of being sued.
same with billy joel, he was into baldwins for a long time, then steinways. correct me if im wrong, but i think he runs vsts with his grands in concerts. not the actual acoustic instrument anymore
It's not a SCROLL! It's a roll.
Steinway didn't make players in the 1920s. Aeolian contracted with Steinway to provide a certain number of units per year that were built to Aeolian specifications to fit their Duo-Art player system. In order to finalize the contact, Aeolian had to stop making and marketing their Weber brand piano as competition to Steinway. Was Steinway so afraid of Weber as competition? Weber today is barely a blip on the horizon of the distant past, but at one time it was artist endorsed and played in many concert halls. You can blame Steinway for ending that.
I have played an old Weber that was beautiful.
Great video, but Patrick try to relax a bit.
ya, he interupts ted. ted is the one with the vast knowledge of the piano. it would be cool to have a beer with ted then play some piano with him
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So Boston baby grands would actually hold their value if well kept? My next long term goal is to go with a brand that appreciates well overtime.
Bought a Boston baby grand, 10 years later regret it: sounded terrible thru time, action got worse
@@JamesSenson I bet this would be of interest on the secondary market as many priced out of steinway and good baldwins are getting older and harder to come by.
Not shown: Model L!
Boston's are made by kawai. However kawai makes the boston series worse than their normal pianos. So you get a lesser quality piano out of a boston than you would spending the same on a kawai which is the same piano.
No piano will hold their value. It's a myth. They ONLY depreciate.
Wish the older guy was talking. The younger guyis too loud and irritating because he is hyper and all over the place. Stop yelling!