Using the less-modern version is cheaper and still produces 20% more power meaning the motor will last longer since it's never under strain. The extra, and unexpected, power improvement should offset any bother they aren't using hub motors. When people start seeing these on the roads and asking questions, inefficient cars will not be acceptable from the manufacturers. I want a gas-powered eRex range extender mounted over the back wheel in my Aptera.
I can appreciate the sentiment, but it doesn't seem practical. The Aptera body's pretty tight - I doubt there's room for an ICE and fuel tank without changing the body shape (or putting it all right behind the passengers and wiping out the cargo area for a seldom used feature?). An eRex can certainly expand the use cases a BEV can address, but given a design as extreme as Aptera's, it sounds like you're looking for a different vehicle altogether.
@@oracleif Two square feet of cargo space is a small price to pay for smaller battery and unlimited range. The e-Rex is tiny, needs only a very small gas tank, is vibration-free, and weighs 35 kg. which is lighter than a battery pack. There's a well just behind the rear drive-wheel that could hold the e-Rex. If it sticks up a little, I will put a sound-deadining box over it. Subaru has a new battery-powered car with a tiny Wankel rotary range extender. Range extenders may be the future and new ones will be created. You may be 100% correct but I am a dreamer and optimist.
My only issue is the new motor uses permanent magnet. The only way to totally decouple the motors and the inductive braking going to zero for coasting is gone. It may not be too bad, but I don't not have the information to do the calculation. Not sure if the hub motors used permanent motors or flux motors.
Personally, I'd expect the HUB motor in the rear wheel to be replaced by a pulley system. Using geared pulley's would allow for the rear motor to be pulled inside, shorter wiring and no risk of high sprung mass issues, etc. Love this tech.
The change doesn't bother me, what worries me is the proposed raising of the price. If it goes up too much, it might make it hard for Aptera to compete with other EVs. It also might be priced out of my budget. I wonder if the single motor is cheaper or more expensive than the dual Elaphe IWM design.
@@matthewhuszarik4173 VW Beetles didn't stay $1,800 and continued to be a best seller. Value for money is what counts. Nothing you buy today costs what it cost four years ago. How much will you save at the gas pumps by not going is a major factor. With high gas prices, the car pays for itself which is unique in the automotive world where cars lose value the the more you use them.
Hello bluetoad, you're right, I'm an early investor, not a stockholder. Hope I didn't offend you, but apparently it was enough to set off your inner troll. BTW, My financial advisor and I are doing quite well, thanx
They gotta stop with the launch delays.. these should be versions not launch changes. Just killing all the all wheel...(It's too expensive to make and we found cheaper parts)
Aren't they a new technology compared to the drive they settled for. Proven dependability is important and future version of the Aptera can have in-wheel motors when the technology is ripe.
@@RaymondCore-ts5jl Yes, I know all that. But, regrettably, it will be a wait for what I really want. The "proven" technology is mechanically heavy. I was looking forward to technology moving forward with Aptera with fewer parts that can fail. Eliminate the "drive train".
With out a rear wheel drive no off road camping vehicle and you won’t be taking it on a skiing trip. And you forget only one rear wheel driving on snow no rear wheel downshift from regen hope they give us a rear hub motor. Soon as possible.
Would more aggressive tires get you to the camping spot? Most of the weight is in front, just fwd with traction control ought to be pretty good. I grew up with way worse. Also think with studded snows I'll be fine in central New England storms except in deep stuff with 2 ruts or when you have trouble even seeing. At that point ground clearance is a bigger factor even in my awd car.
Switching to a conventional motor is a sign that Aptera is getting serious about production. Aptera says that it is building its first PI model and it will be ready by the end of this month. All indications are that the company is planning to start mass production next year, which would mean 6 years since the company's founding in Aug. 1999. It took Rivian 12 years to get to production, Lucid took 14 years and Arcimoto took 12 years. Whatever you think of the company, it has gotten farther and done more with less capital than other Western auto startups, so your pessimism doesn't seem justified.
You are correct. Every time this company is supposed to be 6-8 months from start of production the timeline gets pushed out another year. This has been their story for many years. By this time next year Tesla will be ramping their 25k car anyways so it wouldn't matter even if they finally produce a few hundred. This car will end up being the Delorian at best.
I was following Elio for a few years. I saw very little progress over those years. I think they had a horrible plan to get capital. The vehicle itself was outdated almost from the start.
@@tims8603 now U get to see Elio part 2. Outdated by 5 years now but going to be the same price as a model 3 that's way better than it was 5 years ago. Will go bankrupt if they ever launch as no one wants old tech.
@@mikenovak5226 I see little comparison to Elio. But you're not wrong about the incredible value of a model 3. Aptera will have to reac economy of scale to compete with model 3 for flat out purchase price $ value. I think Aptera will have lower cost of ownership but that's not proven yet. I also agree there is some overlap in the model 3/Aptera markets but 2 seaters and 4 seaters are mostly separate that way. Me? I want both!
Using the less-modern version is cheaper and still produces 20% more power meaning the motor will last longer since it's never under strain. The extra, and unexpected, power improvement should offset any bother they aren't using hub motors. When people start seeing these on the roads and asking questions, inefficient cars will not be acceptable from the manufacturers. I want a gas-powered eRex range extender mounted over the back wheel in my Aptera.
I can appreciate the sentiment, but it doesn't seem practical. The Aptera body's pretty tight - I doubt there's room for an ICE and fuel tank without changing the body shape (or putting it all right behind the passengers and wiping out the cargo area for a seldom used feature?). An eRex can certainly expand the use cases a BEV can address, but given a design as extreme as Aptera's, it sounds like you're looking for a different vehicle altogether.
@@oracleif Two square feet of cargo space is a small price to pay for smaller battery and unlimited range. The e-Rex is tiny, needs only a very small gas tank, is vibration-free, and weighs 35 kg. which is lighter than a battery pack. There's a well just behind the rear drive-wheel that could hold the e-Rex. If it sticks up a little, I will put a sound-deadining box over it. Subaru has a new battery-powered car with a tiny Wankel rotary range extender. Range extenders may be the future and new ones will be created. You may be 100% correct but I am a dreamer and optimist.
My only issue is the new motor uses permanent magnet. The only way to totally decouple the motors and the inductive braking going to zero for coasting is gone. It may not be too bad, but I don't not have the information to do the calculation. Not sure if the hub motors used permanent motors or flux motors.
I would welcome one to my fleet. I am curious and intrigued by the concept and look forward to this technology. ❤❤❤❤❤
Personally, I'd expect the HUB motor in the rear wheel to be replaced by a pulley system. Using geared pulley's would allow for the rear motor to be pulled inside, shorter wiring and no risk of high sprung mass issues, etc.
Love this tech.
The change doesn't bother me, what worries me is the proposed raising of the price. If it goes up too much, it might make it hard for Aptera to compete with other EVs. It also might be priced out of my budget. I wonder if the single motor is cheaper or more expensive than the dual Elaphe IWM design.
Just to keep up with inflation, Aptera needs to raise it's price by at least 20% from 2020. Not Aptera's fault.
Now if only my income could be inflated by 20% to keep up as well. 😂
Correct, price is critical. If it isn’t near its original cost there are other better options. I am about to the point of giving up.
They need some help from China they have 14000 dollar trucks
@@matthewhuszarik4173 VW Beetles didn't stay $1,800 and continued to be a best seller. Value for money is what counts. Nothing you buy today costs what it cost four years ago. How much will you save at the gas pumps by not going is a major factor. With high gas prices, the car pays for itself which is unique in the automotive world where cars lose value the the more you use them.
FWD is a dealbreaker kinda like a 3.5l twin turbo truck
Hello bluetoad, you're right, I'm an early investor, not a stockholder. Hope I didn't offend you, but apparently it was enough to set off your inner troll. BTW, My financial advisor and I are doing quite well, thanx
They gotta stop with the launch delays.. these should be versions not launch changes. Just killing all the all wheel...(It's too expensive to make and we found cheaper parts)
Am I the only one that noticed the video is using chat gpt as the narrator? The creator probably had chat gpt create the whole video.
I was more excited about the in-wheel motors.
Aren't they a new technology compared to the drive they settled for. Proven dependability is important and future version of the Aptera can have in-wheel motors when the technology is ripe.
@@RaymondCore-ts5jl Yes, I know all that. But, regrettably, it will be a wait for what I really want. The "proven" technology is mechanically heavy. I was looking forward to technology moving forward with Aptera with fewer parts that can fail. Eliminate the "drive train".
With out a rear wheel drive no off road camping vehicle and you won’t be taking it on a skiing trip. And you forget only one rear wheel driving on snow no rear wheel downshift from regen hope they give us a rear hub motor. Soon as possible.
Would more aggressive tires get you to the camping spot? Most of the weight is in front, just fwd with traction control ought to be pretty good. I grew up with way worse.
Also think with studded snows I'll be fine in central New England storms except in deep stuff with 2 ruts or when you have trouble even seeing.
At that point ground clearance is a bigger factor even in my awd car.
The light weight of the vehicle means it can go where heavier cars can't. I had a front wheel drive Subaru and it could go anywhere.
Good information. Lousy AI narrator. It keeps cutting words in half. Living in Texas, front wheel drive is not an issue. No worries.👍
Thank for your feedback. It was actually an editing problem. It's fixed in later videos
A chinese drivetrain should lower the price.
It will never launch... Another major design change giving them excuses for more multi year delays...
Switching to a conventional motor is a sign that Aptera is getting serious about production. Aptera says that it is building its first PI model and it will be ready by the end of this month. All indications are that the company is planning to start mass production next year, which would mean 6 years since the company's founding in Aug. 1999. It took Rivian 12 years to get to production, Lucid took 14 years and Arcimoto took 12 years. Whatever you think of the company, it has gotten farther and done more with less capital than other Western auto startups, so your pessimism doesn't seem justified.
You are correct. Every time this company is supposed to be 6-8 months from start of production the timeline gets pushed out another year. This has been their story for many years. By this time next year Tesla will be ramping their 25k car anyways so it wouldn't matter even if they finally produce a few hundred. This car will end up being the Delorian at best.
Never going to sell any. Patterned after ELIO.
Did Elio have 48k orders?
Elio was too 20th century.
@@ronfarnsworth7074 I think they did
I was following Elio for a few years. I saw very little progress over those years. I think they had a horrible plan to get capital. The vehicle itself was outdated almost from the start.
@@tims8603 now U get to see Elio part 2. Outdated by 5 years now but going to be the same price as a model 3 that's way better than it was 5 years ago. Will go bankrupt if they ever launch as no one wants old tech.
@@mikenovak5226 I see little comparison to Elio.
But you're not wrong about the incredible value of a model 3. Aptera will have to reac economy of scale to compete with model 3 for flat out purchase price $ value. I think Aptera will have lower cost of ownership but that's not proven yet. I also agree there is some overlap in the model 3/Aptera markets but 2 seaters and 4 seaters are mostly separate that way.
Me? I want both!