What DEFECT LEVELS can a train engine have?!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 15 ต.ค. 2023
- Lots of kinds, apparently. There's limitless ways they can be broken...
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It's crazy to imagine that the "where did the poop go" incident was only a level 8
IIRC it was actually mislabeled as a Level 9, lmao.
How the hell.. XD
The truth is; that is fucking terrifying
Imagine if nobody realized, and it was put back into service as a poop slosher
All i can hear is jack sparrow saying that like "Why is the rum gone"
"The loco is literally on fire!"
"Yup, that's a number 9."
At least a number 9 large.
But wheres number 45, with cheese.
I like how the Eye of Sauron only shows up when a train is fully not working (or the R/C thing.)
I imagine a flaming eyeball warping towards you and very sincerely going “why is my choo choo broken?”
I’ll repeat this from the ES&D train crew post:
The fucked-o-meter makes its triumphant appearance
My dad used to work for a company that hauled sand for the sand towers at the yards but something that happened like all the time was the crew not knowing there was like a 1.8% grade coming up and they would run out of sand on the main and per their union policy they weren't allowed to move the train if it did not have sand, so they would just park it on the main. there are many dumb stories that started because of that.
Level 9: "Someone wrote a bad word on the wall in the bathroom!!1!"
Level 4: "Too many tags on the isolation switch. Isolation switch may not function or fall off."
Level 1: "This thing is F. U. C. K. E. D. fucked. Stay out of the electrical cabinet, do not start the engine, do not pass go, do not collect your paycheck. Clock out now and go home while you still can."
Pretty much! Lol
LOL!!
Level 1 is a GE locomotive on fire 😂 They get a lot of that.
Level 0: the locomotive got raptured
@@JackieBright F
1:50 That poor brakeman. I laughed so hard I cried when I read that work order. Should have been a level 8 for real.
I once again bring up my comment from the member post (however I have edited it to fit the video"
"These are all great examples of mechanisms that locomotives use to keep themselves clean: Mechanics. Locomotives have a variety of ways to bring attention to them when in need of maintenance. Some ways are simple, such as breaking their own toilet. Some become completely suicidal and derail themselves (but these ones usually want to die, as they have either reached their prime or can't find a mate.) In this video we talk about all the different ways locomotives, like the mammals of the serengeti, which rely on flies to pick dirt and unwelcome guests from them, rely on mechanics to keep them in top shape, which helps attract mates to keep the population steady. In episode 5 of The World Of The Yard, we explore how locomotives attract mates, and the breeding cycles of locomotives."
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There is a former Reading GP-39-2 at the Reading railroad from CSX Cumberland shops. They did a fluid change and the prime mover wouldn’t start. When the museum got it they went over it and it turns out they overfilled the fluid by 55 GALLONS . Since then the locomotive is awaiting repaint into reading livery and still does switching at the museum. CSX doesn’t know that it works😂
What museum has it now?
lmao nice
@@retr0bits545 Reading railroad heritage museum in Hamburg PA
@@Junior-vt9ly Oh neat, I’m heading up near there on Vacation in just over 2 weeks so I might see it while I’m there!
this sounds like the beginning of a preservation story
As a class 3 engineer I can garuntee you a class 1 engineer would never be able to survive on our lines! Class 8 defects! Lol!
I believe that! I've got a good friend who's a conductor on a class 3 and hearing what their power sounds like... yikes.
@Hyce777 LTEX (stands for Larry's Trash and EXcrement) has a lot of former class one railroad power leased on our property at the moment, some of these engines have luxury we have never seen, when it works that is...
I remember hearing a story about a particular GE. Any time the diesel engine was running the whole motor shook like no other. A rod was broken internally if I'm remembering right.
Another one came in, smelling like everything had been on fire. Some sections of the intake manifold had melted.. And the turbo impeller was no longer attached to the the turbocharger. It was in the air filter box, right alongside the air filter elements which had been completely charred.
You forgot about the Class H defect. You let Hyce drive the train off the bridge.
You sure about that? I was told by former ES&D shop personnel that those were a level K(enosha) defect
I reckon a level h would be hyce driving any diesel locomotive or any locomotive for that matter
I had a couple defects due to miss-wiring. An SD9 that would shut down, kill the engine if you turned the the front number lights on. An GP9 that didn't drop its load until the engine RPM was at idle. That last one would also load if the generator field was in the off position. Fun, EH!
“PTC is broken, let’s celebrate!”
My brother who works for the Union Pacific has some horror stories for sure when it comes to engine defects. For me I would describe the entire fleet (at least in our area) as just one big rolling defect. Honestly the 4014 is probably the best running engine on the entire UP system which is sad really. Precision Scale Railroading hasn't made it any better and sometimes you have to hope one engine will save the day and get the train to it's destination. I'll have to ask him and see if they have any defect list like the BNSF has. I would definitely be curious what it is.
Makes sense that 4014 is the best kept loco on the railroad tbh. It's pure marketing, so of course they want it to run well. Plus it's pampered by comparison, it doesn't do much serious work (15-20 car passenger trains don't really compare to heavy fast freights, which obviously enough they were designed to do).
@@davidfuller581 Well I would hope they treat it well they certainly don't rest any of their other equipment well at all. Sure it gets used for work but there is a thing called maintenance that they ought to not put off until an engine is dead in the middle of a run. He's told me too many horror stories of that happening
You should make a rotary plows 101 hopefully before winter
I do want to do that, I've got access to one and footage of one running... :)
@Hyce777 so what you're saying is that I should be expecting a video sometime soon
Instead of greasing the rails our shop guys will now bring out a little tray with rollers, jack up the locked axle (compressing its springs) and slide the roller tray underneath it. You still can't move it very fast, this is only to limp it to the nearest back track, but it's way better and safer than skidding a locked wheelset over switches.
That's a smart way of doing it! I never actually had to personally respond to any of the incidents so I wouldn't be surprised if that's something the big RR does as well.
That's how we do it at grand forks.
I wanna see a mission in derail valley that has you fixing a loco just somewhere on the road otherwise you can't use that rail section
That's called "late game Hyce"
@@PoldovicoNah, you let Hyce even look at it for more then 5 seconds and it will manage to impale some explodey bois magically
101 HATH RETURNED
Having worked with and on 18 wheelers my whole life, its interesting to see just how similar the maintenance logistical processes are between trucks and trains, despite all the other differences
Stationary equipment also. We had 3 12V-71 Detroits for driving our pumps. A level 9 for us was something happened, we don't know what, it kept on running. Level 1 was when you saw the dipstick go flying across the engine room. We had spares for most things except for the gearboxes. If anything happened to one of them, we were in deep trouble. It would mean something was going to have to go to the shop 100 miles away. We mostly would have had level 8 where the engine shutdown and we didn't know why. Check everything and all fine so start it back up and let it run. If we were down for an hour, the phone would start ringing ( our green phone which most people would think of as a red phone ). Who was on the line was what we worried about so it got a prompt answer. In levels of worry least to worst: 3) our control room, 2) The Army Corps of Engineers, 1) a Federal Judge. The Control Room had a 4th level. It was a call from the Governor's office because they got a call from the judge.
Thanks for explaining this. I work as a tech for an airline and we have a system for classifying issues and how soon we need to get them corrected. This is similar in some ways but very different in others. As always a great video!
When I saw the teaser for this I said: oo, defect levels with good stories and slice-of-corporate-bs-life. No disappointment!! the image of the Eye of Sauron swinging round from Barad-dur - I mean Fort Worth - makes me smile all over. I'd love to hear the whole story of the Level 1 that needed cranes.
I also was pausing the video on the clips of defect reports and laughing at the comments that got written in. Notes back and forth with mechanics are some of my favorite comic literature. Thanks for the fun video! :)
When you said "some were worse than others" I was expecting a picture of 1676
Love the info. Wild Wheel Alert would be a great band name for railroad song covers. Hyce, you should do a video about the recent flying Scotsman (crash) DUNK incident.
" That'll do when you get er stopped!!!!! "
It isn't bad until you see a coupler split vertically. Or in the Scotsman, a car with wrinkles in its roof where none were before.
There's the right way, the wrong way, and the Railway
I have a question: did you ever have a "problem child" locomotive? A reoccurring problem that kept happening no matter what you did to fix it?
Christ. Several. Lol. 254, 274, and 294. Three freshly rebuilt SD75M's. 254 had, a wacky software problem that was preventing *half* of the engine from firing. Took months to sort out why it wasn't loading properly at higher throttle settings.
274 had something wrong in the main alternator. It required it to be replaced. We never figured it out. Management assumed the crews were being idiots, so it got shipped across the railroad to work out of Minneapolis. The electricians at Northtown figured out the problem and got the main alt replaced.
294 had an error in the rebuild in the rear gear train that was so small that it was really hard to diagnose. Ended up needing a new gear, iirc. Caused an oil pressure issue only in certain conditions, but regularly failed. At one point it was the 12th worst performing locomotive in the system.
I'm a maintainer in the USAF and 12:45 sounds exactly like how the flight-line works lol. Glad to see maintenance everywhere rolls like that no matter what you work on.
Love this.
Something that goes wrong on a choo choo that only inconvenient for employees: railroads: 😴
Something goes wrong that costs the railroad money: 😡
Only missing the hidden level 0...
So broken, no repair, scrap it!
This subject is something I've always wondered about. As an airline dispatcher we had an minimum equipment list (MEL) that list what could be what could be inop and what had to operate.
I work in aircraft maintenance and so I'm sure that this rings true for rail maintenance too: that not only are different makes and models easier or more difficult to work on but certain individual registrations just seem to have all the gremlins and others barely have any issues at all! They really do have their own personalities.
I love you guys have leveled defects. For us it’s either good, good enough but fox next shopping, trail only, or completely screwed.
But I do love those notes. I’ve seen so many like that before 🤣
Thanks Mark for an informative tutorial on how specifically BNSF dealt with those naughty choo choos. Liked your comments about how the RR always looks to save money and the omnipresent eye of Sauron! 😂 Your descriptions give us nice insight into modern railroading. Great learning moment and thanks Professor for sharing your RR stories. As always cheers to you!
That whole "I can't tell the stories on demand, mind goes blank" thing is why I'll actually stop in the middle of a stream just to jot the ideas down. lol. It's ok, I only have a single viewer.
Me: Ooh, a local museum doing videos, I'll watch a couple.
TH-cam: All trains, all the time. You're a train guy now.
This is indeed a "Collegiate level Railroad Course" taught by a top shelf Professor.
You're an excellent teacher and a very accurate technician all while being an entertaining historian. I hope to visit the museum soon being just down the road in OCC.
Thank you for your time and enthusiasm with one of my all time favorite subjects.
Beat Regards.
Worse trip I ever had was an EMD Wide body isolation cab with the cushioning mounts broken. Every time the locomotive hit a dip or swayed it felt like the cab was going the hammer itself apart. This sent a shockwave through the Engineer and myself. It got so bad we would yell "brace" before each crossing. It was the wildest roller-coaster ride I've ever been on.
NS Carman, Conductor/Brakeman (92-03)
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As you're recording going forward, you should trail off into these fun stories and edit them out for later use. Do a compilation of Hyce stories that gets released once enough viable content is there.
I love your 101s, they really help me understand this sort of stuff. Have you gotten interest in a 101 video on railroad catenary or electrification? I think the engineering is fascinating for that stuff. Thanks for the info
You know; I don't. I'm not the expert in that stuff but it would be fun to do a video on.
I was wondering what that scary looking tower next to the volcano in Fort Worth was about.
whilst they can redistribute the power for less traction motors on certain model increasing torque , they are still geared for the extra motor, and diminishing returns means you never make up for the losses.
Old EMC power (pre EMD)...
One of my favorites...
No end caps on connecting rods. One misfire, and the rod comes off the crankshaft. Pray that the piston stops at the top so you don't damage the crankshaft.
In theory, a two stroke diesel engine doesn't need end caps one the connecting rods because there's always pressure on the crank.
Doesn't always work that way.
Wow so cool I just stumbled across your channel and love it ! Both of my Grandfathers worked at Interbay back in the day and when I was a kid during the summers I got to run the cars into the round house for them to work on. Always thought I would work on trains but work on buses instead. I just rode by it last weekend on the Sounder train going to the Seahawks game and was excited to see it still there :)
Not too long ago I was watching a local train work at a refinery and he was running around his train. The crew was experiencing electrical difficulties and the main headlight wasn’t working. They still had ditch lights, but watching the engines run by in the dark made the train look like a highrailer or a work truck. The crossings he passed were also quiet zones, so assuming his lights weren’t working, he should have used his horn, but he didn’t.
As always, a fun and informative video. Thanks for the time you put in to these Mark!
I was watching a train video from Ohio it was a fairly new 4400 Ge. Anyhow I was at a spot where I could see locomotive wheels I was looking down at an angle, that the way this person had his camera set, and the loco was going by and all at once it's drive wheel started going bang bang bang , etc. etc. I reloaded to that point and watched an the one wheel looked good for a few moments then a chunk of steel popped out of the surface, what was left looked like three craters in the wheel, it was frightening, I never saw that occur as it happened, but they just kept rolling it was an NS train and it was UP power this occurred on , so if the train does not derail who is responsible for repairing this piece of junk, NS or UP.
I had a slipped pinion gear on a leader one time. Luckily, the mechanical guys that came out decided that the axle wasn't locked, and it could be slowly moved to the nearest setout track. Which fortunately was just a few miles away, and in a minor miracle, maintenance of way hadn't locked out that switch. Then we had to run the train with the only remaining engine long hood forward, with rear end manned helpers, up a steep hill, and tied down the train in a siding.
Extremely informative considering I'm going for a job for multiple agencies. I had never heard of this scale before. Appreciate it as always, Hyce 😊
Always love these railroad 101 videos. Keep em comin’ Hyce!
I would like to hear some real life stories about defect solving 😊
I interned at the Havre diesel shop this past summer for BNSF. It’s really interesting hearing about defects in a much more concise way than anyone there ever taught me, I had to learn them one by one as they came in for service
As a BNSF locomotive engineer, I appreciate this rundown. I see the codes on the train tracker, but I usually haven't known what they meant. Our paperwork will designate locomotives to run, have isolated, or be dead (which could still have a running diesel engine) but doesn't specify anything more than that, and unfortunately some previous transportation crews and even some shops are lax about tagging engines. And sometimes, some shops will actually fix an issue, but leave the tag still on it.
Yeaaaaaah that's not changed in the 4 years since I quit. Lol. Lot of folks don't want to take ownership of the tag, and usually the supervisors are too clueless to do anything about it either.
I love using my locomotive as a batering ram personally
A small local town that had a mill, foundry, and an agricultural and small transloading ramp would regularly have a loco spotted there. Some of the townspeople whined about the unit's auto starting and idling overnight and on weekends.
They dont have to worry about it anymore. The foundry closed, the mill closed, and the track was ripped up.
Lots of jobs lost.
I feel for that brakeman, loco fridge ruined his lunch
That outro music is just super chill, I know it's just some copyright free thing, but I have to find the name of it.
Interesting video...comes to mind one time when I was filming and a NS train started to pull out from a signal and I still recall it was 8211 that started suddenly puffing thick black smoke which then erupted into fire blasting out the exhaust as it rolled down the line starting under the trees.
love the 101's keep doing em
so defect levels are basically defcon levels, for trains
I love this video. Thankyou very much for this 🙏
Level 8: Smells like poop
Level 5: Smells like a burnt motor
Level 1: Smells like Kenosha
Work at Balmer/Interbay as a Yard Shuttle. Double track after CP Stadium, North. Triple track was South Portal to Black River. I Pretty much work in your old territory. I love your BNSF motor horror stories!
That sounds right from what I remember! :D I'm glad you do.
Good video! Thanks for it!☺️ Be safe.
As a mechanical engineer by degree, pharma as a specialization those measurements that are supposed to identify the increased concentration of the bearing casing (i highly doubt that surface hardened steel could provide detectable contamination) material in the sample must be fun. Especially the experimental baseline that describes the neutral degradation over the lifecycle of a bearing.
very informative, thanks! please remember to do the next chapter of signaling 101
It's on the list! Lol
Interesting how like half of these classifications are "this thing does not function, do not drive this locomotive." I'm also very curious now just how silly some of the level 9/8 reports get, the ones I saw reminded me a lot of the Fedex "gripe sheet" that went viral a few years ago, everything from uncomfortable seats to clogged toilets.
1:48 I feel bad for that Poor brakemen who won't be able to have his lunch
Interesting to hear that you have almost the same problems with maintenance and co like we in Germany. Thanks for the look behind the scenes.
The water dumps out of the guru valve when it gets too cold, right?
Yes. The guru valve pops open when the temperature gets down to about 5 degrees above freezing. They work a bit like the thermostat in a car engine but can't close again on their own, someone has to pop the little plug back in by hand.
Yup!
@@bobsmith2637 That's a really weird and railroad-ey way to solve the icing problem.
By now there are of course more convenient ways but railroad adoption of internal combustion engines possibly predates even antifreeze.
@@kilianortmann9979 water is a lot cheaper than antifreeze, it's a somewhat better coolant in terms of heat transfer capacity, and you'd never get a big locomotive diesel started in sub-zero temperatures anyway (at least not without a lot of canned help.....) so there is no point to switching away from water. Antifreeze can also cause serious bearing damage if the engine develops an internal coolant leak and some gets into the lube oil, water in the oil is also bad but antifreeze is worlds worse.
@@bobsmith2637 thinks about those videos on YT of what comes out of people's cars when they mix up where the oil and the coolant go.....
I seen a locomotive get royally messed up with a simple derail once. It was IIRC a watco engine, K&O runs through my town, and I remmember once seeing them towing one of their locomotives back, had the LOTO tags on it and everything. Aparently, it derailed in the either horace or towner yard and not only damaged the wheel, but also cracked the frame and tore up a roller bearing. idk how it was still being towed on its own trucks.
Rail lines a mess? Must be N.S., former ro-ro yard worker in Missouri, love your content!
I actually have a couple questions related to train wheels.
I know they have tires. Steel tires.
But that leads to my questions:
How many times can you true up the tire on an axle (traction motor equipped or free-spinning) before you need to replace the tire(s) on that axle?
Related, due to attempting to maximize uptime, I'm pretty sure that even if you can just true up the tires on an axle, you swap out the whole thing and work on it separately where you don't have the time pressure of "this train needs it's axle back", but do most railroad repair facilities have the equipment needed to put new steel tires on such an axle? Or is that something you send out to a separate shop that ONLY puts new tires on the axles? After all, sure an axle is big and heavy, especially one with a traction motor on it, but it's a lot easier to ship around just worn and fresh axles than it is to ship around entire locomotives and pieces of rolling stock that need new tires, right?
Super interesting. Thank you, subscribed🫡
Next, make a video all about defect detectors. I used to volunteer at OERM in Perris, CA. Always love hearing the defect detectors from BNSF.
Great video!
Reminds me of write ups we’d get when I was going through diesel mechanic school. Code F didn’t exist formally but F meant it was fucked. Everything was Code F until it was actually looked at lol, we’d also make fake write ups like “seat belt fluid low” or “tire preheater faulted” for whoever was going to be the service tech, no real reason for it, it was just funny.
Level 5, replace fuel filter and clean any fuel screens, reprime. Charge an exorbinant amount because the operator didn't check. At least on construction equipment. Retrain your operator.
Also most of our motors are D's and c's. Theyll randomly dump loads or just not load properly. One every other notch didnt load up. Then the rcl has been busted for almost 4 years now.
Could you imagine the fireman and engineer on 844 or 4014 back in the 50’s saying “we won’t be taking 844 today because the air conditioning isn’t working and it’s too hot!”
Nope. We really have devolved into a bunch of weaklings in the last half century 😂
Interesting topic Hyce, I'm curious, how often did you see blown turbos .. And what was the defect number and letter for it ?? You mentioned about how large these engines, watched my friend jump start "yes some BIG ASS 600 v rated jumper cables " 1 F unit from another and even those engines
are enormous ..
Maybe once every 4-5 months we had a bad turbo. Usually the clutch broke rather than a blown up one. Level 2, because the engine was not happy running with a dead turbo.
a good one you talked about was the train with one ton crap in the nose
Level 0: "What locomotive?"
1:52, there are perks to working in an office! I think my trucker dad might be able to relate better to that crew, lol.
What level defect would one of those diesel engine sending a rod to the moon be?
Level 2.
@@Hyce777 Okay.
It's great that you explained this so clearly! Are these the industry-standard? Why isn't this public information? I mean I was curious enough to learn more so I Googled terms like 'train defect levels' / 'locomotive faults/codes' (and every other word-combination) but there's no clear/concise/centralised/universal resource that covers all this at the same or deeper levels 🤔
Hello Hyce, im still shocked that i saw you at CRRM! I couls sent some railfanning videos when were back in 'Sconnie if youd like.
All the inserted pictures of examples totally make this video... 6:25 xDDD
just watched a video dealing with Runaway diesel engines and there was one clip of a US style loco suffering the very thing and I happend to wonder as what would such a thing be classified
I blew the gasket out of the compressor twice on our one motor. They just dumped a bunch of rtv in it and full sent it for another 40 days till it finally went fra dead.
From what ive had to deal with... you got the: I wont start because I need $8000 batterys orrr the Classic Im gonna catch on fire and take the rest of the train with me!
was just looking at the endscreen and had an idea for a history video - 'cowcatchers'
That's a great video topic.
In the early 1950s riding a Western Pacific passenger car, I was amazed that when the toilet was flushed, you could look down the toilet and see the ties going by. Apparently there was just a sliding valve that dumped the toilet.
I live about a half mile from the BNSF main and often hear wheels with flat spots.
Can the traction motor be taken out of gear or does it always have to turn?
Oil tank imploded or something like that in the engine room? At 8:35 knowing that the black is like used oil, I'm like ooo, yeah glad no one got sprayed and good luck to who ever was incharge of cleaning it.
The engine had a crack in the block iirc, it was a leased unit thankfully... lol. Oil got deep enough the main alt started flinging it around.
@@Hyce777 Oh geez, yes thankfully (wipes forehead with hand while saying few). I feel you on that one.
lunch fell on floor, guys whining, can you fix the fridge, yep, sounds about level 9 important
So a lvl 9 would be like wear on different pieces like axles and what not. That need to have an eye on? Or something along those lines?
Even less important than that; little things that don't necessarily impact operation but might need attention next time around, is the thought. Axles aren't really something the railroad deals with any more (they deal with Traction Motors as entire combos - wheelsets + motors; they get replaced before an axle issue could arise).
@@Hyce777 Ah, right, got it.
Did you see Train Time, wich shows how a Bnsf train makes a round trip from Chicago to Seattle.
I guess my S282 would have level W quite often :D
But they really like to slide when applying train brakes, it's really annoying you can't apply the train behind you independently with this loco... All others are fine, but this thing is really a hell when braking...
I get the same issues all the time, either I got one one my premadonna crews saying "It's about to explode, or I get one of my crews that just gets it done all the time saykng its not that big of a deal while leaving huge pools of luid as they refill the machine to get the job done. Any advice?
Very interesting video.
i work as a switchmen for Big Orange, and the list of units in our yard that i havent had issues with is dwindling. i think most of our yard units have level 9s for something