I realized afterwards that I had said it that way and that folks might take it the wrong way - I very much meant in the context of the film, with the way the story was told, and moreso a protagonist and antagonist relationship rather than truly good and truly bad. Not my wheelhouse, conflict story telling. Nor are using scripts. Hopefully that helps.
@@Hyce777 Oh for sure, from the point of view of the camera, the Union men are the villains. Context and knowing what lens you're seeing things through is important.
No it's not worth remembering. It's a story about a railroad engineer rescuing his train and girlfriend. This is fiction, not real life. "Good Guy" and "Bad Guy" are relative from the perspective of whoever the storyteller chooses as the protagonist. Take Mr. Freeze in the Batman universe. One could easily write stories from his perspective, where he is the hero, working tirelessly to save his dying wife. Where Batman is the "Bad Guy" for getting in his way.
@Hyce777 It's based on a true story, but... for comedic effect Keaton changed over the sides and made the Southern the hapless 'hero'. It wouldn't work as a comedy if the main character was from the Union, as it was a slapstick comedy. If the main character was from the Union side, the movie would have been too serious, and needed to be a drama, but the slapstick lightness of the film would have been lost.
Tbh chasing after a small corp that took 2 boxcars and a locomotive and then hijinks is a better and probly better silent movie than a constant chase with a single loco and such
The expensive box office flop that is almost entirely fictional, yet became a loved movie in its later years and is seen as a railroad enthusiast’s classic
Even non-enthusiasts still enjoy it. My family has not a single train enthusiast (yeah, including me, i am just a generalist nerd), but my dad still had a VHS of this film. It really is just MARVELOUS.
I like how they crush the pilot of the 4-4-0s it's like "How to convert your 4-4-0's cowcatcher to a switching pilot in under a minute!", this is the stuff you can't do today because there aren't many pieces of this equipment left.
19:30 no worries, those actors probably had plenty of _asbestos fabric_ sewn into their jackets to do that stunt "safely" ! Great video, btw. Buster Keaton is the GOAT
I'm just now realizing just how much most sessions of Derail Valley have the same vibe as buster Keaton; someone needs to make a mod for the cannon and give us a truly Explody Boy.
Fun Fact: The General is actually the first movie that any V&T equipment makes its silver screen debut. The equipment in question was the 16, the Ophir. While the mogul itself would be seen towards the end of the movie during the final stages of the chase, the locomotive was actually used throughout the movie off camera during some of the more ridiculous scenes, such as Keaton getting his foot stuck in that one link, holding the Texas in place while she was spinning her wheels, and making sure certain cars kept on moving for specific shots (including the one howitzer scene). And after the movie was released, the 16 was scrapped, albeit not entirely a surprise as the locomotive was extremely worn out after over 50 years of ops.
23:26 You'd be correct, they did indeed put a dummy in the cab, *however* they didn't tell any of the actors that there was dummy inside the locomotive, so all the reactions to the crash are as real and natural as they could be. They did a similar thing with the water tower at 20:11 were the actress didn't know what the joke of the scene was going to be before hand. (at least so I've heard)
Not telling actors they're about to be splashed with water is a long-running film tradition. It's the only guaranteed way to get that genuinely shocked reaction, but they're not in any real danger, unlike most other stunts.
Supposedly the dummy’s head came off after the wreck and floated down the river in the current, and several actors and spectators fainted on the spot when they saw it
You should watch "The Railrodder". it was a film done in the late 1960s in Canada with the National FIlm Board (of Canada), where Buster goes across the country on a rail service vehicle (basically a powered handcart). It is freely available from the NFB and on youtube as well.
I was working for CNR as a hostler while attending College. Buster Keyton was an excellent driver. There is one, now iconic scene, where he is in Ottawa approching the old union station and you can see the parliament buildings in the background. Iconic now because the tracks were removed shortly after the film was made.
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I agree with other recommendations to check out Keaton's last film The Railrodder. But let me add the documentary that the National Film Board of Canada made about the making of The Railrodder called "Buster Keaton Rides Again". The documentary gives some great shots of Keaton setting up scenes and gags, as well as his interactions with the professional railroaders that helped make the film. The Great Stone Face was a lover of trains!
I’m so glad you did a reaction to Buster’s masterpiece. (You’re right for sure-I remember we used The General as an example in film class for the basics of establishing shots and framing. ) And as to extensive stunts, FWIK Buster did do most of his train handling himself, and really enjoyed it. (16:30 is the train handling of all time.)
Ohhhh I loved this movie since I was a kid. There's a chance one of the guys who stole the engine was a distant relative of mine! (In the real story). I love Buster Keaton's 'The Railrodder' too, - his last movie 😁
go to 21:49 in Hyce's video and notice that after the initial run UP the ramp, the rest of this scene was shot in reverse and that film was then played in reverse! Watch the smoke stacks gobbling up their own smoke, even as The General runs from left to right out of the screen you can see the trail of smoke returning to her stack!
That army video with them trying to derail a train, was shot just a hour from me at the old abandoned Camp Claiborne in central Louisiana. I've been to the test site, now completely overgrown by miles of woods. Can still walk the old Louisiana and Gulf roadbed and see the overpass called Big Cut. Lots of railroad history in Louisiana, most of which has been forgotten sadly. (I've lost count of all the back roads I've found that used to be old logging right of ways, paved over for cars and trucks)
Lots of people on here mentioning “The Railroader” but I haven’t seen anyone mention “Our Hospitality” a Keaton movie that features a replica of the Rocket running on some terrible tracks. As for the “General” I love the scene of him sitting on the rods. I think at the time though the real locomotive had a sort of external frame so that shrouds could be put over the running gear.
The coal tressle scene at 21:50 you can see the smoke pour back into the stacks so it was filmed in reverse. I never noticed how obvious it looks until now lol
My family once lived and worked in Cottage Grove, Oregon where the General was filmed. My father was ten years old at the time, and he witnessed the bridge scene along with much of the town’s population. My grandfather salvaged the lid to the locomotive’s sand dome from the river, after the wreck but sadly it was left behind when their house was sold in 1951. The filming was a major event at the time. with many of the locals enlisted as extras, and it is a part of the lore of the little town. Another railroading movie, The Emporer of the North was filmed on the same now abandoned logging/excusion railroad. One store on Main Street has a mural emblazend on a east facing wall.
I worked at the Hawaiian Railway Society as a brakeman/flagman and Narrator. We had a handcar that was made for standard gauge but modified for our narrow gauge. I *could* get it on and off the rails by myself but I was a pretty big guy and knew how to throw my weight around to get the wheels off the rails on one end. We rarely did that though and most of the time just used a forklift to put it's 'carriage' on a siding or the mainline, let the kids or adults play with it between runs (with me or someone else supervising and manning the foot brake), and put it on a siding before we went back out with the train. We also had a 'Speeder Shed' next to the main line, but had like a mini turntable on it that could be removed. It was really just a set of rails ground down to a ramp at one end with metal crossbars on a pivot. You'd put it's spikes into the ties, line it up with the shed's rails, roll whatever it was onto the turn table, tilt and pivot and on the mainline before shoving it off and removing the turntable. Didn't get to use that one that often sadly.
It doesn't portray an accurate representation of historical events. It does portray an accurate representation of Buster Keaton's style though. And here's the fun fact kids who don't know yet or appreciate film for what it is now; that was all live action. There was very few editing tricks they could do back then with physical film and computer graphics absolutely was not a thing back then. So Keaton riding on the front of that locomotive, he did that in person. All the spills and tumbles he takes, that's all him doing that. There's no stunt double and very rarely is there any perspective trickery going on (which would have been the main "effect" they were capable of back then.) So do yourselves a favor and check out some of Buster Keaton's old films and just know that it's some guy doing all of those stunts on camera with very editing and visual tricks available to cover up anything. And if he fails at any time, they have to set it all back up and have him do EVERYTHING from the beginning of that cut.
For the film, they used a logging road, Nick Ozorak and CEG can comment about it and correct any mistakes that I make, and so the film makers used the locomotives on the logging rail road for the movie
One of Buster Keaton's last movies was also a silent film, called the railroader. Filmed in my country Canada, and follows Buster as he travels across Canada in a "speeder". Both these films are absolute gold. Thanks for reviewing this.
The US Army experiments were for training resistance saboteurs behind enemy lines in WWII. The introduction says so, and they are using very old equipment (old for the time period). Interestingly, I've heard it said that the General used in the film was the ACTUAL General from the real life event. The film was shot all over the place, though, primarily Oregon. Removing the outer rail (not the inner rail) on the curve is prototypical to what was done in real life. That actually turned out to be a mistake on the part of the real life Andrews Party-you want to take out the inner rail not the outer rail. That was the real Texas, too, iirc. The type of cannon shown is prototypical for rail artillery of the Civil War. It may even actually BE a piece of cannon from then. The shots with Buster Keaton juggling with the cannon were probably green screen (or the equivalent-a giant sheet behind the set with a projector behind it). @10:04 (reaction time) That's a model with projection-you can tell by the coloration of the surfaces. It's pretty definitely painted wood. Regarding the tie scene. A (somewhat) common way to do stunts like this at the time was to do the stunt in reverse and then play the film backwards. The fact that this, and other stunts, was not done that way was one of the reasons why this was one of the most expensive films in history to that date. @23:20 (reaction time) Apparently, once adjusted for inflation, that is STILL the single most expensive stunt/camera shot in history. And the locomotive is still there (in the bottom of a reservoir? in Oregon?). @23:44 (reaction time) I seem to recall reading that that actor's reaction was candid. They didn't tell him what was going to happen, and then filmed him while the train crashed.
The canon scene on 9:50 looks like a back projection. (The rail car with Buster is standing still in front of a screen while a movie is projected in the screen.)
Keaton was a world class athlete before he ruined his health with booze and cigarettes. He literally grew up on trains as a travelling vaudevillian. He was a lifelong railfan, turned his last house into one giant model railroad, and drove steam locomotives every chance he could get. There's film of him delivering drinks to his patio by train.
LOVED your commentary - Learned a BUNCH of stuff about a movie that I've LOVED for DECADES! Buster Keaton (Old Stone-face himself) was famous for doing ALL his own stunts - and NEVER used a stunt double - no matter HOW dangerous the stunt was. Many of his stunts EASILY had the potential to be lethal - such as tossing the tie to knock the other tie off the track.... The shot that Buster made of the "Cannon" - a Mortar, really - was NOT FAKED. Knowing just what would happen if that ball hit and damaged the boiler (an INSTANT Boiler Explosion - which would have been lethal for Buster) - Buster actually counted the INDIVIDUAL GRAINS of gunpowder to ensure that the cannonball would land IN the cab, but NOT touch the boiler! If you want to see another of Buster's famous Railroading "movies" (a short, really) made for the National Film Board of Canada in the 1950's - check out "the RAILRODDER" (th-cam.com/video/xYmcN12M97o/w-d-xo.htmlsi=KvDt97dZNL_c4jzL) and the companion documentary - "Buster Keaton Rides Again" (th-cam.com/video/5HOWv7Ce69E/w-d-xo.htmlsi=_xW98MGsFm8BmhYU) where he actually talks about doing some of those stunts.
Some other neat modifications made for filming convenience: in some shots the camera was set on a flatcar between the locomotive and tender, and in all cabs the rear cab walls were cut out to allow easier framing of the actors' faces in the cabs in the backhead shots. The plate over the driver brakes may have also been added specifically to allow Keaton to ride the rods in that one shot without falling back and getting pinched by the brake rigging.
7:10: Dang that was lucky! Thanks for the Blazing Saddles reference. Supposedly for the cannon-ball-in-the-cab stunt, Keaton had to measure out the gunpowder grain by grain.
The movie was filmed in Oregon. The Governor of Oregon lent Buster Keaton 500 Oregon National Guardsmen to portray the soldiers (at least thats what I heard).
Filmed in Oregon on a logging rail would explain link and pin non AB equipped stock as well as the minimum/missing boxcar framing if the boxcars were just built shells on logging flats.
Santa Fe made a film called Pay Day in the 50s that was full of telling crewman to do things they expressly were not supposed to do. That had to have been fun.
I remember hearing that during the Civil War, specifically "Sherman's march to the sea" union soldiers would tear up railroad tracks, burn the ties, use the fire to heat section of rail until they were red hot in the middle, and then physically bend the rails around the telegraph poles to set the poles on fire. Destroying the track and rendering the rails unusable, as well as taking out large chunks of the communications system. I could be misremembering specific details of that but I'm pretty sure the bent pieces of rail became known and "Sherman's Hairpins"
@TheOneTrueDragonKing I looked after the fact (because that's smarter than looking before I guess) and Wikipedia listed a number including bowties, neckties, hairpins and one or two more I think.
They were known as Sherman’s neckties, but otherwise correct. Apparently, there are still some lying around the south today. The reason they twisted them was that it put a twist into the rail that ensured that they couldn’t be bent back into shape and reused
@michaelimbesi2314 I skimmed the Wikipedia article again, and apparently there were two ways it was done. The one Sherman wanted, which is what you described, twisting the rail along its length so it couldn't be repaired, and many that were just bent around a tree or pole.
I first saw The General in a film class I took in college. To this day, I have no idea how Buster Keaton didn’t get killed at least a hundred times in any film he did. He was an absolute master of his craft.
12:50 - Welp, I think you found the secret to why a certain *historically accurate representation of railroading* used those switch stands with normal switches; that movie must have been the historical source for how stuff was actually done 🤣 19:40 - Oh so it's not cold smoking you do in a smoke box? Oh. (Yeah limes, I know) Thank you for the reaction video. I loved watching the movie when I was a kid.
There was either something pushing the cannon car, OR the actual car was very very light (made of paper mache, or some such thing). Given the time period, I imagine it was actually a real car, so the 'second loco' is probably more likely. The tie throwing scene is nuts, regardless how they set it up. Buster was a mans' man, man.
So the tie throwing scene may honestly not been as tough as it looked. Balsa wood, the stuff they use in model airplanes is EXTREMELY light. Those could have very well only been maybe 30 pounds. I have 1/8 scale live steam and my dad modeled a small logging railroad. We made cars with aluminum wheels and axles, and thin steel frames and aluminum bolsters, and the car itself was a model of a 30 something foot long so in scale it's like 4 foot and change with couplers on it. The logs we used were dried out red pine logs from the property about 6 or 7 inches in diameter. Totally dried out, those logs weighed next to nothing... So much so at one particular outing we were trying to get to the loading bays to leave but a couple of rather snobbish old farts were blocking the access to the track in the middle of our reloading. I asked several times for the gentleman to either pull up or back up, but being the dick he was, never moved and just kept on talking like I wasn't there. I was 30 years old at the time, and at the time I was 6 2, 230 pounds and I was seeing RED. So instead of doing something violent I went one better.... I walked over to our now cut in half train, grabbed one of our featherweight log cars by the couplers and picked it up in front of me like a hay bale and more than nudged the guy out of the way as I walked over to the trailer to load the car... and came back for a second car. By this time, the guy that blew me off suddenly realizes I'm carrying what he thinks are 175 pound cars like HO models and my focus is solely on him... he couldn't get off that track fast enough! LOL... all the while I'm telling him No... you stay right there, talk with your buddies, I'll be back to talk with your after I finish loading the cars! What a jack off. But the look on his face was absolutely priceless. I shocked my dad too at the time, but it was worth the laugh in the end!
Great analysis. A correction: At 6:46 you point out that "there is a conveniently weird pile of rocks, something hiding a derailer device in between the rail and the guard rail". But at 4:48 a man puts the stones in between the double rail. So it was not the camera crew trying to hide a trick device, but part of the planned sabotage by the villains. When Buster Keaton derails you can see it is the wheels hitting the stones, and not something extra pushing him off.
I've heard of this movie of course, but it was very cool to see someone who knows trains break it down and point out all the nerdy stuff in it. Thanks as always for the quality content!
I know zero about trains, but I love Buster and The General. This was a terrific, super informative watch. Thank you. Cool to see a young person into old trains.
10:23 with the shoe caught in the bar and tight shot...I wonder if it may be even simpler than a second locomotive, maybe even just a rope/chain that is off camera still connecting it to the locomotive in a way someone else off-shot could drop or shake off when it "cuts loose"?
This film was shot on an Oregon lumber company railroad. One of the reasons it cost so much to shoot was they had to suspend shooting because of high fire hazard conditions and wait until better conditions. There is a story that while shooting, a fire is started and Keaton actually takes his pants off to use them to help put out the fire. Most, if not all, of this equipment was old and worn out by the loggers when the film was shot. This was not the only time a train or locomotive was destroyed during the shooting of a film; RIO GRANDE, the head-on collision; THE TRAIN, the train wreck at the station; and THE BRIDGE ON THE RIVER KWI, the train going through the blown-up bridge. These were filmed with multiple cameras, live and for real with equipment that was to be scrapped anyway.
To be fair the guys arguing over how to repair the points are all military men. And it's only when the two presumably railroaders walk up to see what the problem is that they show how simple it is to repair points.
That is correct. General survives at the Southern Museum of Civil War and Locomotive History in Kennesaw, Georgia, within spitting distance of where it was stolen, and the Texas is preserved at the Atlanta History Center, in the Atlanta suburb of Buckhead. The Texas is preserved in 1880s appearance.
The stunt where the cannon car uncouples and Buster's leg holds the drawbar was likely done with a chain below FRAME holding the cars together slightly wider than the drawbars reach. Same trick was done on SILVER STREAK when they uncouple the cars and Prior and Wilder (stunt doubles) jump back from the front portion to the trailing portion, so as to keep a consistent distance between cars so they could jump safely. Since we both love Buster Keaton and trains, you might enjoy this... th-cam.com/video/epfOOodUzHI/w-d-xo.htmlsi=4uWhROQRUr6Ezx9v
The first time I saw this movie was when I was touring a high school and sat in on a film analysis class. I had a lot of the same reactions, especially the ending.
20:28 I dont know why but the shot of that guy just holding the pin out like 3 feet infront of him, trying not to fall into the pilot got me. XD They really abused engines and crew alike. Poor Texas.
@Hyce i just recently started watching your content. I enjoy seeing you working on repair and maintenance of vintage railroad equipment. Would love to see you showing more videos of how things like how taper bolts are fitted. wpould love to see more first person content of how a steam engine is operated and the sort of decision making as to when to accelerate and brake a steam train, Also would enjoy seeing comparisons between how diesel and steam locomotives are built and maintained. Thank you for your commentary of this Buster Keaton film helping us understand how realistic or not the old railroad themed films were or are. Please keep up the great work!
Hi, There is a movie Buster Keaton did for the Canadian National railroad, I think it was done in the 1960's. He goes from the east coast to the west cost. He does some cool stunts during his trip. I think you would enjoy this film. It isnt too long of a movie. I might be found through the Canadian Film Board. I saw it around 1970, when I was in a youth group. Enjoy! - Myran
6:28 , man I would love to see a reaction video to that army test. I’ve been looking for that thing on TH-cam for ages since you mentioned it. In an older video.
Buster was missing several fingers, too, as I recall, which makes his stunts even more crazy. And fun fact, the real Great Locomotive Chase resulted in the first ever awarding of the Medal of Honor in history. Also, my grandpa, who was a gandy dancer on the GB&W from 1942 to 1944 was born in 1926.
You may be thinking of the OTHER silent movie great, Harold Lloyd. On August 24, 1919, while posing for some promotional still photographs in the Los Angeles W, he picked up what he thought was a prop bomb and lit it with a cigarette. It exploded and mangled his right hand, causing him to lose a thumb and forefinger. He wore a prosthetic glove for all his subsequent movies, all his biggest hits. Amazing!
Hyce, that's an amazing thumbnail image! Thanks for sharing your knowledge, I've seen other commentaries focusing on other parts, but it was nice to hear an insider take on the rail bits. And that bit about the kids wanting to meet the emgineers: these guys were the astronauts of their day, the abbsolute cutting edge of modern technology. Especially for the time when this was set.
Back in the early 40s, my dad was a little kid and his brother was smaller. They found a hand cart on a siding and switched it onto the track and took a little ride. They couldn't get it back onto the siding and a freight locomotive was derailed... it was going very slow and no one was hurt. The FBI sent investigators to the campground but he avoided prosecution. It was probably at least 40 years before he told anyone... Funny thing, Grandpa was in the same WWI unit as Buster Keaton, their names are on the same page of the muster roll. Only one of them ended up in the trenches, however...
Thank you so much for your insightful review of The General. It is clear that after watching it, you developed a tender spot for Buster Keaton. I am confident that you will delight in the rest of his work if you have not already done so. I love Buster Keaton so much it hurts. ❤
The military video ol' Slay Mee-ka is thinking of was taken during WW2 at Camp Claiborne, LA. That whole purpose of that short-lived Army camp was two things: train soldiers how to operate, dispatch and maintain trains and train engineers (buildy type) how to clear, build and maintain structures and roadbed and roads.
To answer your question about the moving loco and mortar car; most likely they were stationery in front of a blank screen. A film of moving countryside was projected onto the screen from the back side. The technique was called "back lit" projection. It was a technique that was used for a long time until green screen technology was created with the use of technicolor film.
The first movies to ever use the technique were _Liliom_ and _Just Imagine,_ Fox Film Corporation, 1930 (they got a technical Oscar in '31 for that). The General was shot in 1926. Panchromatic film stock (1928) was quite necessary to make the background appear less faint; synchronisation between the projector and camera shutters was needed (a technology needed and developed for talkies) and larger film gauges allowing more powerful projection lamps that could also make the rear projection screens brighter, all of which were invented after The General had been shot. So while your guess is good, it cannot be.
Pretty sure the rail sabotage film you mention was one of several that was producing during WWII, all of which are short enough you might consider combining into one reaction video. One was called the Mole, about an OSS light-sensitive trigger for explosives to blow up rolling stock when it went into tunnels (because of course it was the OSS that came up with it), which required its own significant amount of testing to figure out how much charge and where to place them for best effect. The U.S. tests made good use of high speed cameras, which we often don't realise they had versions of back then, in order to best see what exactly was happening. The SOE made a few similar films, but I haven't seen any on YT in a long time.
I first became aware of Hyce from watching Railroads online with kAN gaming, it was pretty obvious that he knew what he was talking about at that time. Now i understand that his knowledge was much more extensive. This was very enlightening. Thank you for this upload. I have tried driving a steam train with the observation of of someone who knew what they were doing, and errrm, shall we say it didn't go well. Yeah, apparently you have to look in the direction that you're going.
Late to the party so Hyce probably won't see this, but my favorite bit of trivia for the making of this film: The actor playing the Union general was never told that the bridge was going to collapse as the engine went across. So the look of utter gobsmacked astonishment in the very next shot was 100% genuine.
Never watched this movie but it was filmed in my home town. We have a big mural on the side of a building on main street so very familiar with the cover photo. Sadley most of the tracks were turned into a bike path now.
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It's worth remembering that the "bad guys" in this film are Union soldiers.
I realized afterwards that I had said it that way and that folks might take it the wrong way - I very much meant in the context of the film, with the way the story was told, and moreso a protagonist and antagonist relationship rather than truly good and truly bad. Not my wheelhouse, conflict story telling. Nor are using scripts. Hopefully that helps.
@@Hyce777 Oh for sure, from the point of view of the camera, the Union men are the villains. Context and knowing what lens you're seeing things through is important.
No it's not worth remembering. It's a story about a railroad engineer rescuing his train and girlfriend. This is fiction, not real life. "Good Guy" and "Bad Guy" are relative from the perspective of whoever the storyteller chooses as the protagonist. Take Mr. Freeze in the Batman universe. One could easily write stories from his perspective, where he is the hero, working tirelessly to save his dying wife. Where Batman is the "Bad Guy" for getting in his way.
@Hyce777 It's based on a true story, but... for comedic effect Keaton changed over the sides and made the Southern the hapless 'hero'. It wouldn't work as a comedy if the main character was from the Union, as it was a slapstick comedy. If the main character was from the Union side, the movie would have been too serious, and needed to be a drama, but the slapstick lightness of the film would have been lost.
Tbh chasing after a small corp that took 2 boxcars and a locomotive and then hijinks is a better and probly better silent movie than a constant chase with a single loco and such
The expensive box office flop that is almost entirely fictional, yet became a loved movie in its later years and is seen as a railroad enthusiast’s classic
Even non-enthusiasts still enjoy it. My family has not a single train enthusiast (yeah, including me, i am just a generalist nerd), but my dad still had a VHS of this film. It really is just MARVELOUS.
I like how they crush the pilot of the 4-4-0s it's like "How to convert your 4-4-0's cowcatcher to a switching pilot in under a minute!", this is the stuff you can't do today because there aren't many pieces of this equipment left.
stunt doubles are a beautiful thing
Yeah these days entirely new engines are built just to do stuff for films.
19:30 no worries, those actors probably had plenty of _asbestos fabric_ sewn into their jackets to do that stunt "safely" !
Great video, btw. Buster Keaton is the GOAT
Fun fact: There is a film with Buster Keaton from 1921 called the Goat 😂
At 21:49, you can see they ran the film backwards, which is a clever thing. You can see the smokestack inhaling all that smoke!
I'm just now realizing just how much most sessions of Derail Valley have the same vibe as buster Keaton; someone needs to make a mod for the cannon and give us a truly Explody Boy.
You mean.like this? th-cam.com/users/clipUgkxVFbknRr4-b99ZbFmJIzTgDhHeFBVGGfc?si=BEMjtgQqtOc3MNZh
Yes sirrrrr
This.
Fun Fact: The General is actually the first movie that any V&T equipment makes its silver screen debut. The equipment in question was the 16, the Ophir. While the mogul itself would be seen towards the end of the movie during the final stages of the chase, the locomotive was actually used throughout the movie off camera during some of the more ridiculous scenes, such as Keaton getting his foot stuck in that one link, holding the Texas in place while she was spinning her wheels, and making sure certain cars kept on moving for specific shots (including the one howitzer scene). And after the movie was released, the 16 was scrapped, albeit not entirely a surprise as the locomotive was extremely worn out after over 50 years of ops.
@Hyce
50 years of ops and a few weeks of thrashing. Just like a Honda Civic.
23:26 You'd be correct, they did indeed put a dummy in the cab, *however* they didn't tell any of the actors that there was dummy inside the locomotive, so all the reactions to the crash are as real and natural as they could be.
They did a similar thing with the water tower at 20:11 were the actress didn't know what the joke of the scene was going to be before hand. (at least so I've heard)
Not telling actors they're about to be splashed with water is a long-running film tradition. It's the only guaranteed way to get that genuinely shocked reaction, but they're not in any real danger, unlike most other stunts.
Supposedly the dummy’s head came off after the wreck and floated down the river in the current, and several actors and spectators fainted on the spot when they saw it
You should watch "The Railrodder". it was a film done in the late 1960s in Canada with the National FIlm Board (of Canada), where Buster goes across the country on a rail service vehicle (basically a powered handcart). It is freely available from the NFB and on youtube as well.
Seconded!
I was working for CNR as a hostler while attending College. Buster Keyton was an excellent driver. There is one, now iconic scene, where he is in Ottawa approching the old union station and you can see the parliament buildings in the background. Iconic now because the tracks were removed shortly after the film was made.
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Hyce in Colorado Railroad Museum in a nutshell 18:19
Water tower just said SIKE 20:13
And here comes the comedy 23:11
Don’t forget 12:12, kicking, I wanna do some kicking
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If I'm not mistaken the film was filmed in Oregon on a logging railroad, and then backdated a few 4-4-0s
Correct, it was filmed on the former Oregon, Pacific and Eastern Railway
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@@GraveSpartan21 No wonder Shack took such a nasty view of Bo's... looks what happened the last time a train got stolen!!
I agree with other recommendations to check out Keaton's last film The Railrodder. But let me add the documentary that the National Film Board of Canada made about the making of The Railrodder called "Buster Keaton Rides Again". The documentary gives some great shots of Keaton setting up scenes and gags, as well as his interactions with the professional railroaders that helped make the film. The Great Stone Face was a lover of trains!
22:00 You can see that they first brought the locomotive up there because of the steam entering the cylinder instead of leaving it lol
I’m so glad you did a reaction to Buster’s masterpiece. (You’re right for sure-I remember we used The General as an example in film class for the basics of establishing shots and framing. )
And as to extensive stunts, FWIK Buster did do most of his train handling himself, and really enjoyed it. (16:30 is the train handling of all time.)
Ohhhh I loved this movie since I was a kid. There's a chance one of the guys who stole the engine was a distant relative of mine! (In the real story).
I love Buster Keaton's 'The Railrodder' too, - his last movie 😁
I like The Railrodder myself. It is a fun little movie.
@@Eric_Hutton.1980 It's just hilarious. Everything about it is just so daft! 😂
go to 21:49 in Hyce's video and notice that after the initial run UP the ramp, the rest of this scene was shot in reverse and that film was then played in reverse! Watch the smoke stacks gobbling up their own smoke, even as The General runs from left to right out of the screen you can see the trail of smoke returning to her stack!
How did i not see it
Hyse even said it was camera tricky
They used a similar trick in Butch Cassidy & the Sundance Kid, when the K-28 pulls up and stops a few inches from the camera lens.
I have seen this movie so many times and missed so many details. My inner locomotive geek thanks you!
Thank you so much, my friend!
That army video with them trying to derail a train, was shot just a hour from me at the old abandoned Camp Claiborne in central Louisiana. I've been to the test site, now completely overgrown by miles of woods. Can still walk the old Louisiana and Gulf roadbed and see the overpass called Big Cut. Lots of railroad history in Louisiana, most of which has been forgotten sadly. (I've lost count of all the back roads I've found that used to be old logging right of ways, paved over for cars and trucks)
Lots of people on here mentioning “The Railroader” but I haven’t seen anyone mention “Our Hospitality” a Keaton movie that features a replica of the Rocket running on some terrible tracks. As for the “General” I love the scene of him sitting on the rods. I think at the time though the real locomotive had a sort of external frame so that shrouds could be put over the running gear.
The coal tressle scene at 21:50 you can see the smoke pour back into the stacks so it was filmed in reverse. I never noticed how obvious it looks until now lol
.... I can't believe I didn't catch that.
My family once lived and worked in Cottage Grove, Oregon where the General was filmed. My father was ten years old at the time, and he witnessed the bridge scene along with much of the town’s population. My grandfather salvaged the lid to the locomotive’s sand dome from the river, after the wreck but sadly it was left behind when their house was sold in 1951. The filming was a major event at the time. with many of the locals enlisted as extras, and it is a part of the lore of the little town. Another railroading movie, The Emporer of the North was filmed on the same now abandoned logging/excusion railroad. One store on Main Street has a mural emblazend on a east facing wall.
I worked at the Hawaiian Railway Society as a brakeman/flagman and Narrator. We had a handcar that was made for standard gauge but modified for our narrow gauge. I *could* get it on and off the rails by myself but I was a pretty big guy and knew how to throw my weight around to get the wheels off the rails on one end. We rarely did that though and most of the time just used a forklift to put it's 'carriage' on a siding or the mainline, let the kids or adults play with it between runs (with me or someone else supervising and manning the foot brake), and put it on a siding before we went back out with the train.
We also had a 'Speeder Shed' next to the main line, but had like a mini turntable on it that could be removed. It was really just a set of rails ground down to a ramp at one end with metal crossbars on a pivot. You'd put it's spikes into the ties, line it up with the shed's rails, roll whatever it was onto the turn table, tilt and pivot and on the mainline before shoving it off and removing the turntable. Didn't get to use that one that often sadly.
My favorite aspect of this movie is that despite being almost 100 years old, it is STILL funny. Like genuinely funny
It doesn't portray an accurate representation of historical events. It does portray an accurate representation of Buster Keaton's style though.
And here's the fun fact kids who don't know yet or appreciate film for what it is now; that was all live action. There was very few editing tricks they could do back then with physical film and computer graphics absolutely was not a thing back then. So Keaton riding on the front of that locomotive, he did that in person. All the spills and tumbles he takes, that's all him doing that. There's no stunt double and very rarely is there any perspective trickery going on (which would have been the main "effect" they were capable of back then.) So do yourselves a favor and check out some of Buster Keaton's old films and just know that it's some guy doing all of those stunts on camera with very editing and visual tricks available to cover up anything. And if he fails at any time, they have to set it all back up and have him do EVERYTHING from the beginning of that cut.
BK is one of the greats. A true legend and an amazing entertainer.
For the film, they used a logging road, Nick Ozorak and CEG can comment about it and correct any mistakes that I make, and so the film makers used the locomotives on the logging rail road for the movie
13:23 you can actually see a tie on the rails that caused the boxcar to derail
One of Buster Keaton's last movies was also a silent film, called the railroader. Filmed in my country Canada, and follows Buster as he travels across Canada in a "speeder". Both these films are absolute gold. Thanks for reviewing this.
The US Army experiments were for training resistance saboteurs behind enemy lines in WWII. The introduction says so, and they are using very old equipment (old for the time period).
Interestingly, I've heard it said that the General used in the film was the ACTUAL General from the real life event. The film was shot all over the place, though, primarily Oregon.
Removing the outer rail (not the inner rail) on the curve is prototypical to what was done in real life. That actually turned out to be a mistake on the part of the real life Andrews Party-you want to take out the inner rail not the outer rail.
That was the real Texas, too, iirc.
The type of cannon shown is prototypical for rail artillery of the Civil War. It may even actually BE a piece of cannon from then.
The shots with Buster Keaton juggling with the cannon were probably green screen (or the equivalent-a giant sheet behind the set with a projector behind it).
@10:04 (reaction time) That's a model with projection-you can tell by the coloration of the surfaces. It's pretty definitely painted wood.
Regarding the tie scene. A (somewhat) common way to do stunts like this at the time was to do the stunt in reverse and then play the film backwards. The fact that this, and other stunts, was not done that way was one of the reasons why this was one of the most expensive films in history to that date.
@23:20 (reaction time) Apparently, once adjusted for inflation, that is STILL the single most expensive stunt/camera shot in history. And the locomotive is still there (in the bottom of a reservoir? in Oregon?).
@23:44 (reaction time) I seem to recall reading that that actor's reaction was candid. They didn't tell him what was going to happen, and then filmed him while the train crashed.
22:39 You can tell he's the real engineer because he's not afraid to do some percussive maintenance and rig up an ugly hack when it's needed.
As far as I'm aware, the shot with the locomotive falling off the bridge is one of the most expensive shot in movie history.
Fun fact- the TH-camr "Train of Thought" got drunk once and watched The General on a Livestream.
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The canon scene on 9:50 looks like a back projection. (The rail car with Buster is standing still in front of a screen while a movie is projected in the screen.)
Keaton was a world class athlete before he ruined his health with booze and cigarettes. He literally grew up on trains as a travelling vaudevillian. He was a lifelong railfan, turned his last house into one giant model railroad, and drove steam locomotives every chance he could get. There's film of him delivering drinks to his patio by train.
LOVED your commentary - Learned a BUNCH of stuff about a movie that I've LOVED for DECADES!
Buster Keaton (Old Stone-face himself) was famous for doing ALL his own stunts - and NEVER used a stunt double - no matter HOW dangerous the stunt was. Many of his stunts EASILY had the potential to be lethal - such as tossing the tie to knock the other tie off the track....
The shot that Buster made of the "Cannon" - a Mortar, really - was NOT FAKED. Knowing just what would happen if that ball hit and damaged the boiler (an INSTANT Boiler Explosion - which would have been lethal for Buster) - Buster actually counted the INDIVIDUAL GRAINS of gunpowder to ensure that the cannonball would land IN the cab, but NOT touch the boiler!
If you want to see another of Buster's famous Railroading "movies" (a short, really) made for the National Film Board of Canada in the 1950's - check out "the RAILRODDER" (th-cam.com/video/xYmcN12M97o/w-d-xo.htmlsi=KvDt97dZNL_c4jzL) and the companion documentary - "Buster Keaton Rides Again" (th-cam.com/video/5HOWv7Ce69E/w-d-xo.htmlsi=_xW98MGsFm8BmhYU) where he actually talks about doing some of those stunts.
Some other neat modifications made for filming convenience: in some shots the camera was set on a flatcar between the locomotive and tender, and in all cabs the rear cab walls were cut out to allow easier framing of the actors' faces in the cabs in the backhead shots. The plate over the driver brakes may have also been added specifically to allow Keaton to ride the rods in that one shot without falling back and getting pinched by the brake rigging.
7:10: Dang that was lucky! Thanks for the Blazing Saddles reference. Supposedly for the cannon-ball-in-the-cab stunt, Keaton had to measure out the gunpowder grain by grain.
The movie was filmed in Oregon. The Governor of Oregon lent Buster Keaton 500 Oregon National Guardsmen to portray the soldiers (at least thats what I heard).
Filmed in Oregon on a logging rail would explain link and pin non AB equipped stock as well as the minimum/missing boxcar framing if the boxcars were just built shells on logging flats.
This is the right movie for safety breefing : How to do things correctly that you aren´t supposed to do.
Santa Fe made a film called Pay Day in the 50s that was full of telling crewman to do things they expressly were not supposed to do. That had to have been fun.
I absolutely loved this movie as a kid!! My dad has a 7 1/4" gauge 4-4-0, we even considered renaming it to the "General"!
At 21:57 when you're talking about the stunts, even sped up, it looks like it was filmed in reverse based on the smoke itself
I remember hearing that during the Civil War, specifically "Sherman's march to the sea" union soldiers would tear up railroad tracks, burn the ties, use the fire to heat section of rail until they were red hot in the middle, and then physically bend the rails around the telegraph poles to set the poles on fire. Destroying the track and rendering the rails unusable, as well as taking out large chunks of the communications system.
I could be misremembering specific details of that but I'm pretty sure the bent pieces of rail became known and "Sherman's Hairpins"
Sherman's Bowties actually.
@TheOneTrueDragonKing I looked after the fact (because that's smarter than looking before I guess) and Wikipedia listed a number including bowties, neckties, hairpins and one or two more I think.
They were known as Sherman’s neckties, but otherwise correct. Apparently, there are still some lying around the south today. The reason they twisted them was that it put a twist into the rail that ensured that they couldn’t be bent back into shape and reused
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I skimmed the Wikipedia article again, and apparently there were two ways it was done. The one Sherman wanted, which is what you described, twisting the rail along its length so it couldn't be repaired, and many that were just bent around a tree or pole.
You might enjoy reading about Brig. Gen. Herman Haupt.
This film never gets old. Buster Keaton and vintage steam is a guarantied win in my book. Thanks for your commentary,❤
I first saw The General in a film class I took in college. To this day, I have no idea how Buster Keaton didn’t get killed at least a hundred times in any film he did. He was an absolute master of his craft.
12:50 - Welp, I think you found the secret to why a certain *historically accurate representation of railroading* used those switch stands with normal switches; that movie must have been the historical source for how stuff was actually done 🤣
19:40 - Oh so it's not cold smoking you do in a smoke box? Oh. (Yeah limes, I know)
Thank you for the reaction video. I loved watching the movie when I was a kid.
@ 8:55 I could hear " get back in the cab before you die " , Definitely a neat film ...
There was either something pushing the cannon car, OR the actual car was very very light (made of paper mache, or some such thing). Given the time period, I imagine it was actually a real car, so the 'second loco' is probably more likely.
The tie throwing scene is nuts, regardless how they set it up. Buster was a mans' man, man.
So the tie throwing scene may honestly not been as tough as it looked. Balsa wood, the stuff they use in model airplanes is EXTREMELY light. Those could have very well only been maybe 30 pounds.
I have 1/8 scale live steam and my dad modeled a small logging railroad. We made cars with aluminum wheels and axles, and thin steel frames and aluminum bolsters, and the car itself was a model of a 30 something foot long so in scale it's like 4 foot and change with couplers on it. The logs we used were dried out red pine logs from the property about 6 or 7 inches in diameter. Totally dried out, those logs weighed next to nothing... So much so at one particular outing we were trying to get to the loading bays to leave but a couple of rather snobbish old farts were blocking the access to the track in the middle of our reloading. I asked several times for the gentleman to either pull up or back up, but being the dick he was, never moved and just kept on talking like I wasn't there. I was 30 years old at the time, and at the time I was 6 2, 230 pounds and I was seeing RED. So instead of doing something violent I went one better.... I walked over to our now cut in half train, grabbed one of our featherweight log cars by the couplers and picked it up in front of me like a hay bale and more than nudged the guy out of the way as I walked over to the trailer to load the car... and came back for a second car. By this time, the guy that blew me off suddenly realizes I'm carrying what he thinks are 175 pound cars like HO models and my focus is solely on him... he couldn't get off that track fast enough! LOL... all the while I'm telling him No... you stay right there, talk with your buddies, I'll be back to talk with your after I finish loading the cars! What a jack off. But the look on his face was absolutely priceless. I shocked my dad too at the time, but it was worth the laugh in the end!
One of the greatest silent movies ever made.
Great analysis.
A correction: At 6:46 you point out that "there is a conveniently weird pile of rocks, something hiding a derailer device in between the rail and the guard rail".
But at 4:48 a man puts the stones in between the double rail. So it was not the camera crew trying to hide a trick device, but part of the planned sabotage by the villains.
When Buster Keaton derails you can see it is the wheels hitting the stones, and not something extra pushing him off.
Hm! Interesting, I did miss that. It does seem the pile is larger later; but, it certainly would work. Either way, desired effect achieved. Good call!
I've heard of this movie of course, but it was very cool to see someone who knows trains break it down and point out all the nerdy stuff in it. Thanks as always for the quality content!
His connecting rod stunt begs the question - has the mischievous part of you ever wanted to try recreating that? 😂
I had always thought they had nailed together some sort of seat around the connecting rod to allow him to sit more stable on the rod.
I know zero about trains, but I love Buster and The General. This was a terrific, super informative watch. Thank you. Cool to see a young person into old trains.
10:01 the link drops and derails the cannon ,you can see it bouncing on the ties.a tie weight 200 lbs so those must be prop ties.
10:23 with the shoe caught in the bar and tight shot...I wonder if it may be even simpler than a second locomotive, maybe even just a rope/chain that is off camera still connecting it to the locomotive in a way someone else off-shot could drop or shake off when it "cuts loose"?
This film was shot on an Oregon lumber company railroad. One of the reasons it cost so much to shoot was they had to suspend shooting because of high fire hazard conditions and wait until better conditions. There is a story that while shooting, a fire is started and Keaton actually takes his pants off to use them to help put out the fire. Most, if not all, of this equipment was old and worn out by the loggers when the film was shot. This was not the only time a train or locomotive was destroyed during the shooting of a film; RIO GRANDE, the head-on collision; THE TRAIN, the train wreck at the station; and THE BRIDGE ON THE RIVER KWI, the train going through the blown-up bridge. These were filmed with multiple cameras, live and for real with equipment that was to be scrapped anyway.
To be fair the guys arguing over how to repair the points are all military men. And it's only when the two presumably railroaders walk up to see what the problem is that they show how simple it is to repair points.
Like a management meeting then the Janitor walks in and plugs in the projector for them...
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I have this movie on DVD, and loved every moment of it. Im glad to see you enjoyed it as much 😅
The thumbnail for this video is quite possibly in the top 10 train related thumbnails I have seen.
If I remember correctly both the General and the Texas still survive until now.
That is correct. General survives at the Southern Museum of Civil War and Locomotive History in Kennesaw, Georgia, within spitting distance of where it was stolen, and the Texas is preserved at the Atlanta History Center, in the Atlanta suburb of Buckhead. The Texas is preserved in 1880s appearance.
The real ones, yes. The locos that portrayed them in the film do not.
Both engines were considerably modified over the years.
Thanks for adding a detailed technical and operational perspective to a classic movie.
This video is train gold. Thanks for making this, Hyce!
My favorite movie of all time and love how Buster Keaton did those fun Stunts😂
The stunt where the cannon car uncouples and Buster's leg holds the drawbar was likely done with a chain below FRAME holding the cars together slightly wider than the drawbars reach.
Same trick was done on SILVER STREAK when they uncouple the cars and Prior and Wilder (stunt doubles) jump back from the front portion to the trailing portion, so as to keep a consistent distance between cars so they could jump safely.
Since we both love Buster Keaton and trains, you might enjoy this...
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24:05 "Buster Keaton is just great in general..." and is great in "The General"
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The first time I saw this movie was when I was touring a high school and sat in on a film analysis class. I had a lot of the same reactions, especially the ending.
20:28 I dont know why but the shot of that guy just holding the pin out like 3 feet infront of him, trying not to fall into the pilot got me. XD
They really abused engines and crew alike. Poor Texas.
10:48 the car is stil connected to a winch that is let slowly out
Lots of stuff about this movie still around Cottage Grove to this day. Actually, the train they sent off the bridge stayed there for many years.
Buster Keaton is just great inGeneral. Good movie. Great video Hyce.
@Hyce i just recently started watching your content. I enjoy seeing you working on repair and maintenance of vintage railroad equipment. Would love to see you showing more videos of how things like how taper bolts are fitted. wpould love to see more first person content of how a steam engine is operated and the sort of decision making as to when to accelerate and brake a steam train, Also would enjoy seeing comparisons between how diesel and steam locomotives are built and maintained. Thank you for your commentary of this Buster Keaton film helping us understand how realistic or not the old railroad themed films were or are. Please keep up the great work!
Hi,
There is a movie Buster Keaton did for the Canadian National railroad, I think it was done in the 1960's. He goes from the east coast to the west cost. He does some cool stunts during his trip. I think you would enjoy this film. It isnt too long of a movie. I might be found through the Canadian Film Board. I saw it around 1970, when I was in a youth group. Enjoy!
- Myran
6:28 , man I would love to see a reaction video to that army test. I’ve been looking for that thing on TH-cam for ages since you mentioned it. In an older video.
21:50 is you look closely the footage is is reverse, the smoke is going into the stack lol.
A piece of the rail from that bridge still pokes out of the water at the location where the stunt was shot.
I'm watching THE GENERAL right now on TH-cam Blessings and HUGS! 👑💜
Buster was missing several fingers, too, as I recall, which makes his stunts even more crazy. And fun fact, the real Great Locomotive Chase resulted in the first ever awarding of the Medal of Honor in history. Also, my grandpa, who was a gandy dancer on the GB&W from 1942 to 1944 was born in 1926.
Keaton only lost the first segment of his right index finger when he was very young. His remaining digits were intact.
You may be thinking of the OTHER silent movie great, Harold Lloyd. On August 24, 1919, while posing for some promotional still photographs in the Los Angeles W, he picked up what he thought was a prop bomb and lit it with a cigarette. It exploded and mangled his right hand, causing him to lose a thumb and forefinger. He wore a prosthetic glove for all his subsequent movies, all his biggest hits. Amazing!
Hyce, that's an amazing thumbnail image!
Thanks for sharing your knowledge, I've seen other commentaries focusing on other parts, but it was nice to hear an insider take on the rail bits.
And that bit about the kids wanting to meet the emgineers: these guys were the astronauts of their day, the abbsolute cutting edge of modern technology. Especially for the time when this was set.
Back in the early 40s, my dad was a little kid and his brother was smaller. They found a hand cart on a siding and switched it onto the track and took a little ride. They couldn't get it back onto the siding and a freight locomotive was derailed... it was going very slow and no one was hurt. The FBI sent investigators to the campground but he avoided prosecution. It was probably at least 40 years before he told anyone... Funny thing, Grandpa was in the same WWI unit as Buster Keaton, their names are on the same page of the muster roll. Only one of them ended up in the trenches, however...
Great video! If anybody doesn't know who Buster Keaton is, they should!
Come to the SF bay area. A couple operations use harp stands on point switches.
Thank you so much for your insightful review of The General. It is clear that after watching it, you developed a tender spot for Buster Keaton.
I am confident that you will delight in the rest of his work if you have not already done so.
I love Buster Keaton so much it hurts. ❤
The military video ol' Slay Mee-ka is thinking of was taken during WW2 at Camp Claiborne, LA. That whole purpose of that short-lived Army camp was two things: train soldiers how to operate, dispatch and maintain trains and train engineers (buildy type) how to clear, build and maintain structures and roadbed and roads.
21:49 if you look close that footage was reversed, you can tell cause the exhuast is going back in the stack
Buster Keaton's on-screen stunts were very often done quite for real and without a stunt double: he broke a LOT of bones!
My middle school band played the song “The Great Locomotive Chase” at our spring concert
I love this film! Thank you for the reaction!
16:30 I was cringing back in my chair for the entire seen.
Watching this makes me want to see your take on Disney's "The Great Locomotive Chase" as they're both are inspired by the same historical event.
6:06 Rail Sabotage…; Yes, removing outer rail in a curve is effective but… This curve has a check rail alongside the inner rail…😅
16:04 card board or balsa wood or maybe a box made out of think planks im guessing
This was wonderful to watch! Many thanks Hyce!
To answer your question about the moving loco and mortar car; most likely they were stationery in front of a blank screen. A film of moving countryside was projected onto the screen from the back side. The technique was called "back lit" projection. It was a technique that was used for a long time until green screen technology was created with the use of technicolor film.
The first movies to ever use the technique were _Liliom_ and _Just Imagine,_ Fox Film Corporation, 1930 (they got a technical Oscar in '31 for that).
The General was shot in 1926.
Panchromatic film stock (1928) was quite necessary to make the background appear less faint; synchronisation between the projector and camera shutters was needed (a technology needed and developed for talkies) and larger film gauges allowing more powerful projection lamps that could also make the rear projection screens brighter, all of which were invented after The General had been shot.
So while your guess is good, it cannot be.
Awesome look at the stunts in this! It's no wonder so many of these clips still live on in media today!
This is amazing and completely frightening
Please do a sequel to this with Keaton’s “Railrodder”!!
Pretty sure the rail sabotage film you mention was one of several that was producing during WWII, all of which are short enough you might consider combining into one reaction video. One was called the Mole, about an OSS light-sensitive trigger for explosives to blow up rolling stock when it went into tunnels (because of course it was the OSS that came up with it), which required its own significant amount of testing to figure out how much charge and where to place them for best effect. The U.S. tests made good use of high speed cameras, which we often don't realise they had versions of back then, in order to best see what exactly was happening. The SOE made a few similar films, but I haven't seen any on YT in a long time.
I first became aware of Hyce from watching Railroads online with kAN gaming, it was pretty obvious that he knew what he was talking about at that time. Now i understand that his knowledge was much more extensive. This was very enlightening. Thank you for this upload. I have tried driving a steam train with the observation of of someone who knew what they were doing, and errrm, shall we say it didn't go well. Yeah, apparently you have to look in the direction that you're going.
Late to the party so Hyce probably won't see this, but my favorite bit of trivia for the making of this film: The actor playing the Union general was never told that the bridge was going to collapse as the engine went across. So the look of utter gobsmacked astonishment in the very next shot was 100% genuine.
You managed to be the most recent comment when I pulled open my Studio app, lol! That's a really cool detail. His reaction is priceless...
Never watched this movie but it was filmed in my home town. We have a big mural on the side of a building on main street so very familiar with the cover photo. Sadley most of the tracks were turned into a bike path now.