There is a reason why there is "industry standard" in almost all major technological improvements. When HDR gets an industry standard is when it will begin to shine. The fact that different brands have different modifications means different movie directors will try to maintain a balance to cover all rather than maximize their capabilities.
I would like to agree with you but I am still sceptical of this statement, because even if there is an industry standard you can never quite shield yourself from ”artistic intent” or when the people doing the transfer decide on how to grade the film. This is a problem with SDR also, since no one can agree on what ”proper” gamma is for SDR as an example.
I don’t know if my eyes are just bad, but I think HDR (particularly gaming) on my lg c1 which I use your cinema hdr settings for, looks phenomenal! When I switch to sdr it looks dim and dull to me. I love your content and I know you’ve been saying this for a long time but I just can’t get with sdr after using hdr
Back when I got a High End 4k HDR TV, I consumed nothing but HDR contend when it came to games and movies. When I watched one of your previous "HDR IS A SCAM" video, I force myself to watch n play those HDR content in SDR and immediately notice how games in SDR were more vibrant and rich in colors. I have not switch back to HDR ever since.
@@s9209122222 Yeah. For me HDR is purely to give you a more realistic view of the real world’s colors. SDR makes things more deeper in color. HDR, especially in marvel’s Spider-Man really enhances the suit colors to be more COLOR ACCURATE. It’s not supposed to have color and saturation to the brim.
@@TheCyberMantis I have an s95c, I’m referring to 24 and 30hz judder which is still an issue on both S95 B and C with artifacting in many scenarios, it’s better than Sony but it’s far from perfect and could be greatly improved
Some tvs such as mine do not allow you to turn off HDR. If the movie is only HDR, I. do not watch it. I have spent hours and hours to try and make it look at least equal to SDR and have failed miserably. It looks like a gray color filter has been put on the screen and the colors have been turned down 50%. Now my HDR gaming monitor that is half the size of the tv and cost 1/5 as much as the tv is beautiful.
Yes, 100% , 3D should make a comeback , and now that screens can get to 98 inches and up, it can be amazing. Just hoping they wont take that away from the projectors ...
I dont get you even on my uncalibrated Q80T you can clearly see theres more contrast & colour on Vanilla Sky even running on the Xbox compared to the standard bluray version
I don't think HDR is a scam. I was, too, disappointed by washed-out colors in games until I realized how important calibration is. 1) Using Windows HDR Calibration tool, I could opt in for more vibrant colors. 2) Many games provide HDR calibration settings. In my experience, washed-out colors indicate low peak brightness. For example, in AC Odyssey I had to bump it to 800 cd/m2 on my DisplayHDR 400 screen to make the game look great. Also, once I configured Horizon Forbidden West by bumping highlights and shadows, the game looks truly amazing. True, not every game has good HDR implementation and not every game looks good on HDR. However, when it works, it works really well. The fact that it's not plug & play all the time may turn off some people from using this technology, but every technology has trade-offs. You can't have it all. Also, I think that the issue with HDR comes from the nature of the technology and the variety of screens out there. For years I have been playing the games in SDR just because I like more vibrant colors and didn't bother to do calibrations. Now, I try to adjust the game settings and then see for myself whether HDR is better. Recently, every game I have configured looks much, much better on HDR, with bright objects brighter, dark areas darker and super vibrant colors. Bright objects really stand out compared to SDR. I Ori and the Will of the Wisps is a game that requires no manual settings to show amazing HDR can be.
i get your point but i am at a point in life where i want to turn on a game and play and the windows calibration works in maybe 2 games doom and 1 other game i forgot other than that you have to dial in every single game and its not a standart slider in some games you cant even realy tune the hdr so i just turned it off and have a 90% as good picture as a 1 hour dialed in Hdr picture but i guess thats just me
3D Tv where just a gimmick, unfortunately they might be coming back. Also the effect didn't work if you hand one eye that was weaker than the other, which is a large amount of people, it's also what made people feel nauseous . Another issue with 3D is that while directors like James Cameron made genuine attempts at 3D with films designed for the technology. Most studio just applied a filter to a previous existing 2D film.
I have spent years trying to get my Samsung Ark to look good in HDR, but it always just looks disgusting to me, yet online everyone's talking about HDR as if they are creaming themselves when they look at it, but that certainly haven't been my experience at all. There's a few HDR tests here on TH-cam that looks amazing in HDR, but actual content in games look like ass.
I set my roku to 4k 60hz instead of 4k hdr 60hz. When they compare hdr vs sdr blu-rays side by side, you watching the comparison in sdr. Yes the shadow detail usually looks much better because they enhanced the dynamic range. You still get the benefit of that stretched dynamic range while watching a hdr mastered source with your device set to sdr
The companies need to come up with something to keep on selling. TV tech has plateaued and they are freaking out about it. Buying a $200 USD LED TV today would satisfy 90% of the people on Earth regarding picture quality, everything else is just a gimmick.
This Quantum guy actually has no idea what he's talking about, bro spent like a week trying to set up his HDR and had a mental breakdown and gave up on it, meanwhile I spent like half a year and it's stunning, blows SDR out of the water, everyone that comes round that has an SDR screen at home is in awe of how games look on my screen.
You are right brother, HDR is crap, SDR will always be better under any circumstance, you can't even calibrate or colorized HDR, but there is one thing good about HDR it makes us appreciate the value of SDR even more, LOL,
2:44 That's kinda my problem with aspect ratios tbh. 16:9 was fine. But now phones are getting longer and longer. And so, the aspect ratio is always changing. I'm fine with movie theaters having a longer aspect ratio, but devices? No. Maybe I just like the consistency and parity idk. Like how I wish they replaced the headphone jack with a USB C port
To this day, hdr has no benefit on any other platform especially on apps by watching movies and sports in which it looks fake in most cases. In some apps like directv over the internet, if you didn’t want to watch live sports but want to disable the hdr you don’t have that choice but to watch it in hdr which is the most frustrating part about it which is terrible.
Thank you Sir, i realize that playing games on hisense u6k ps5 on 4k resolution on SDR gives a complete and blends spectrum of colour more true to reality, where as HDR always darkened the picture and exaggerate the colour sometimes ruin/dissapears the texture.., i dunno about dolby vision because ps5 doesnt has it
I bought a 4k projector just for 3D movies. It says it supports HDR. When I actually researched into it, it turns out HDR is only the "best" experience when watching HDR content on an OLED TV with high NITS. Apparently most OLEDs cannot reach that kind of brightness. Projectors in movie theatres do not use HDR. TV for years didn't use HDR. So I finally gave up on it when I watched Shutter Island in 4k and when it finished I thought it was funny that the whole movie seemed kinda sepia tone. I popped in the Bluray disc and you can see the color of Leo's eyes and the color of the grass and the sky. Turns out even my 4k Projector can only "emulate" HDR. So I turned it off. I avoid HDR releases. Watching Mulholland Drive in a remastered 4k presentation from Criterion was more impactful. A 4k resolution is more important than the artificial post processing of HDR when it comes to watching films shot on 35mm/70mm. Even 16mm (El Mariachi) Blu-Ray looks amazing while upscaled on a quality 4k player (don't use video game consoles). Its insulting when people say 3D movies are a gimmick when they provide actual three dimensional depth into a movie (when done well) but HDR is something I'm supposed to care about. Also the thing from last year's video. People just do not calibrate their screens. Nobody even cares to pop in a THX DVD and try to calibrate the screen just a bit. Every TV in every person's living room I've been in is always set to some kind of dynamic mode churning out all the post processing effects that the TV can do.
I've seen good HDR from games, but those give you something to calibrate with usually. On TVs though, you're spot on. If you do everything the way they want you to with the right TV and blu ray player, maybe you get a good experience, but I haven't. But if go offscript and want to rip to a Jellyfin or Plex server good fracking luck. Most people that value storage space would transcode to reduce file size and when HDR is involved you have way way more complications e.g. when I tried to transcode a Dolby vision 4k blu ray to an AV1 10bit file, it was unplayable because apparently AV1 on Intel QSV doesn't support Dolby vision. (I'll preempt the replies saying "use software transcoding its so much better" NO. I'm not wasting a full day to transcode one movie. Thats nuts. And QSV is good enough). And the end result (using H265 since AV1 wont work with Dolby Vision) was washed out crap compared to the one where I converted to BT 709.
I wish 3D was just another common feature you can use on all modern tvs if you want to. I do enjoy some movies in 3d and after introducing it it should have just become a feature all tv's should have. Sadly once 4k arrived it was quickly dumped for UHD and HDR (with HDR being the messiest feature ever introduced to tv with alll the standards and fake advertising etc)
I have an OLED monitor that can reach 1000 nits peak brightness. On PC I keep choosing SDR for games (and HDR is calibrated on Windows). On PS5 HDR is the right choice, but I will probably keep using SDR while on PC. Nice to know I'm not crazy lol
Thank you so much for addressing this! I thought I was the only one that felt like this and everybody else was falling into that trap believing that it's something special.
If they only kept perfecting 3D TVs they would have been brilliant by now! Imagine combining 3D with OLED technology... Man... That TV would be POPPING! Instead, we got literally nothing. HDR was and is a gimmick. Even when you have the best TV, set it all up perfectly and it does looks great, SDR will still look even better. HDR is like when you put a cheap protective screen on the phone. It just kills the vividness.
I thought is just me. The hdr and specially the Dolby Vision on my lg G3 are unbelievable a Disaster, zero details! For about 6 month i'm watching solely on sdr, just tweaked some pictures settings and now looks like a quantum oled tv😂
@@jangarcia1338 great point, I forgot to mention that I solely use streaming devices like apple TV and shield TV where you can turn off DV and HDR. If I'm not mistaken, you can't turn off this features on the TV itself even oleds
Like you said HDR is hit or miss. Its almost ALWAYS a miss on PC though. Windows HDR is fkn AWFUL, everything is washed. Makes movies, games, everything look washed. HDR content NEEDS tonemapping for everything and pretty much NOTHING has tonemapping so its all a guessing game. Nvidias new HDR "emulator" or w.e it is though is changing that. It actually makes thing look good and makes HDR worth it on PC. Hopefully that kicks the rest of the industry in the butt and they get a standard going.
I think passive 3d or active 3d can make a return. If you think about it is the only step forward after oled. We already have perfect colors, contrasts and everything. Giving the scene that sense of depth would really be the cherry on top. 3D really is a missed opportunity.
I still have a 55" LG 4k Passive 3D television. Avatar looks amazing on it! I'm even considering a short throw laser TV just so I can still enjoy 4k 3D content.
I came here to see is someone else would say HDR is a scam. Reason why is because I was playing Forza Horizon 5 on my Hisense R6 Series, 4K HDR10+ and Dolby Vision. I turned it off so I could screen share to my phone so I could get an accurate look at the color I was seeing when I looked it up on an OLED screen since screen sharing with it in made my phone screen darker and washed out. I got the color right. but also on my LED tv, the blacks are deeper, whites are brighter, colors like red for example is more vivid in SDR. This is coming from someone who used Dolby Vision since I got the tv in 2022. **HDR is a SCAM. **
I was not fan 3d tvs it was a gimmick. Anyone who has glass it was terrible. There are always going to be gimmicks to keep prices high on newer television.
Ayeee my boi Q coming with the facts and the tea the av community streets need to hear this 🔥🔥💯💯 SDR is king he opened up so many people eye's about SDR vs HDR saved my 4k TV experience forever thankful
Im inclined to agree. Although my screen (OLED G8) is nowhere near as fancy as that Samsung, I have tried four HDR screens, one even hitting 1400 nits but it still just seems off. I too have just sad forget HDR and just enjoy my 4k 240Hz SDR
I still can't believe how much of a scam HDR is on windows and in games that "support" it. All the devs do is up the games brightness and contrast and lock it when HDR is off in-game and in windows making it look all washed out. When HDR is on ingame it just makes it look how the game is suppose to look. Want proof? Run older games that dont have HDR and it looks perfect, blacks are blacks and colors look right Run any HDR game and itll look washed out UNLESS HDR IS ON. TOTAL SCAM AND IM SICK OF THESE TACTICS
Finally someone said it out loud! HDR, HDR+10 and DOLBY VISION look all way worst than SDR. The way they marketing all this new 4K era of image is ridiculous! Yep, HDR can look great on super bright scenes but in darker ones looks like crap and totally washed out. So, forget watching your favourite horror films on HDR or Dolby Vision and enjoy them as you did on SDR.
I was thinking on buying a dedicated 4k blu ray player to take advantage of the HDR Dolby Vision on my Sony OLED TV. Does this mean that I can just keep on using my regular blue-ray player and my blu-ray movies and save my money? I was also planning on building a new collection of 4K blu-ray movies, but since I already have the blu-rays I can also save more money on that 😂
I don‘t get it. Aren‘t there way more good examples of hdr out by now? Since you mentioned that 9 out of 10 times sdr is better, an example of when hdr is better would have been helpful to really understand the problem. The way I see it, it‘s all about how it was calibrated/mastered. I agree, the lack of a standard sucks but to my eye, Furiosa looked awesome in dolby vision (in cinemas) compared to the sdr screening. Or is this a different topic? I‘m confused, since I quite enjoyed the presentations I watched in hdr (both at home and in the theatre). I thought the broader color space was noticeable, especially banding seemed completely gone in the examples I have seen.
I agree that HDR is busted for the most part. id love to get a video on your opinion on Nvidias RTX HDR for video watching and gaming. It definitely fixed the black level floor raise in most games
HDR done properly is supposed to give you more detail you can't see in SDR. SDR and HDR should look ~90% the same when properly calibrated to 200 nits paper white recommendation. That's the problem. Either the set isn't correctly calibrated and/or the implementation is poor. It's not just a lot of Films, it's video games as well. A lot of TV's were being sold as FakeHDR. Like Samsung selling at Bestbuy as HDR with a little more than 200 nits. Scam indeed.
You said it was bad few years before 2020. 2016? Alm9st 10 years almost. I've follows you since the x90d sony. I quit coming on here tor a year all socials. I'm gonne gonna get my first oled this years. QD oled. Should I go new samsung or go for the S95d,
HDR does nothing but way I er saturate colors and makes everything way too bright and it causes massive eye strain and leading to headaches. A good way to explain this is simple Comparing SDR vs HDR is the same as comparing color vs black and white. Black and white is far more defined and has a 10 times sharper image than color.
While I do think hdr is better at its peak, I do agree with the fact, hdr is all over the place, and not all hdr looks the same. Some content makers just suck balls with making hdr content, and it's like a lot of the hdr content seems lazy, or like they just filtered the original image with a fake hdr.
None of this content reflects my personal experience, but I respect that there are different opinions on the subject. I love just about every HDR disc I own, they look great on my TV, and if that's not someone else's experience, then that's fine. I feel bad for them, but I respect their experience. What I don't accept is the assertion that SDR is empirically and obviously superior, because it's simply not a true statement (I wouldn't make the same assertion about HDR either). There are too many variables and subjective factors in the mix to deem that absolutely true. Come over to my place some day and we'll A/B the two discs of Mission Impossible Ghost Protocol. and then we can talk about it.
Steve Mann Came up with the idea of HDR, he made a mess of film photography, that guy has got to go, he complicated the sh***T out of video photography
Hey man keep up the hard work i still dont understand why anonymous is so butt hurt you kicked him out if your discord i mean they still have spies trying to go into your discord or find you on tik tok or insta
HDR looks amazing on my Alienware QD-OLED gaming monitor. I was just playing Alan Wake 2 tonight and the lights really pop. Too be fair I set it up properly, it just required me to run the calibration tool.
I have a non hdr 4k tv.... It's looks great. I've seen hdr sets at friends houses.... When set up correctly and showing a 4k disc that showcases hdr... The results can be impressive... But its not the be all and end all
@@Itzjakebruhyeah hdr is not a scam blame the companies for selling 400nits screen as HDR. Hdr is much much better the colors are more like really life where it is bright for example red are now red not red/whiteish 😅
Nothing I watch in Dolby Vision looks the way you describe and show here. NOTHING. As a matter of fact, putting in a 4K Blu-ray movie and turning off the HDR on the player the image looks disgusting. Skin tones look unnatural and the colors have this horrible overly saturated unnatural look. Putting it back in Dolby Vision and the colors are natural the image is bright the highlights pop and there is more detail in the darker scenes. This is with Ford V Ferrari on 4K Blu-ray. I’ll admit sometimes the HDR is broken. There needs to be more standards but every source and content is going to look different. Ever hear of film makers intent? Not everything needs to be saturated and exploding with color and detail like the advertising would suggest. Overall HDR is better than SDR. BUT, HDR is going to look it’s best in a dark room. SDR prioritizes APL brightness and HDR prioritizes highlight brightness.
sorry if I have to be this guy, but your mic sound very noisy. Maybe something to do with your gain, bc a i can hear every small movment of u aswell. Kinda disturbes the watching experience
Dude, I am using a 34dwf Alienware Oled monitor the best of the best HDR certified and yet with and without calibration HDR is always a hit or miss and in more cases, it is a miss! (in games) HDR is simply not a standard everyone just plays with brightness and contrast etc… and trying to push this stupid technology that simply isn't what it promises to be. I also have a 65-inch c3 by LG Oled and we have exactly the same story there with the consoles… it is a gimmick. If you wanna punchy a picture use SDR and reduce in-game brightness to the point just before you start losing details in the dark and I promise you ain't even gonna bother to check the HDR implementation. A night is supposed to look like night and day is supposed to look like day and SDR can deliver just that. Only you need to play a tiny bit with your brightness and contrast levels and you're set! Unlike HDR where one scene will look awesome the next be washed out and the third be too bright or too dark…
I don't get how you could spend this much time in the industry and still not understand why people are drinking the HDR kool-aid. I'd call it a matter of preference, but the way you talk about HDR is so obviously based on misconceptions about it that I'm astonished no one has just showed you a properly calibrated HDR display. If you see what the extra range is actually adding to the image, then it won't be a mystery anymore.
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There is a reason why there is "industry standard" in almost all major technological improvements. When HDR gets an industry standard is when it will begin to shine. The fact that different brands have different modifications means different movie directors will try to maintain a balance to cover all rather than maximize their capabilities.
I would like to agree with you but I am still sceptical of this statement, because even if there is an industry standard you can never quite shield yourself from ”artistic intent” or when the people doing the transfer decide on how to grade the film. This is a problem with SDR also, since no one can agree on what ”proper” gamma is for SDR as an example.
I don’t know if my eyes are just bad, but I think HDR (particularly gaming) on my lg c1 which I use your cinema hdr settings for, looks phenomenal! When I switch to sdr it looks dim and dull to me. I love your content and I know you’ve been saying this for a long time but I just can’t get with sdr after using hdr
Back when I got a High End 4k HDR TV, I consumed nothing but HDR contend when it came to games and movies. When I watched one of your previous "HDR IS A SCAM" video, I force myself to watch n play those HDR content in SDR and immediately notice how games in SDR were more vibrant and rich in colors. I have not switch back to HDR ever since.
Maybe it's because the color is over saturated in your SDR mode?
@@s9209122222 not at all, My SDR settings are calibrated to accurately represent the games colors without letting the TV enhanced it further.
@@s9209122222 Yeah. For me HDR is purely to give you a more realistic view of the real world’s colors. SDR makes things more deeper in color. HDR, especially in marvel’s Spider-Man really enhances the suit colors to be more COLOR ACCURATE. It’s not supposed to have color and saturation to the brim.
@@s9209122222Lol probably 🤣
I’m really hoping I can experience quantum dots one day.
They need to make motion a priority over brightness, maybe one day someone will get it right
Sounds like you need a Samsung 120hz TV.
@@TheCyberMantis I have an s95c, I’m referring to 24 and 30hz judder which is still an issue on both S95 B and C with artifacting in many scenarios, it’s better than Sony but it’s far from perfect and could be greatly improved
@@noobinitas Interesting. I have a Q70C, and I haven't noticed any issues.
Some tvs such as mine do not allow you to turn off HDR. If the movie is only HDR, I. do not watch it. I have spent hours and hours to try and make it look at least equal to SDR and have failed miserably. It looks like a gray color filter has been put on the screen and the colors have been turned down 50%.
Now my HDR gaming monitor that is half the size of the tv and cost 1/5 as much as the tv is beautiful.
Its true, 9 times out of 10 HDR just makes everything look blown out and inaccurate.
Yes, 100% , 3D should make a comeback , and now that screens can get to 98 inches and up, it can be amazing. Just hoping they wont take that away from the projectors ...
HDR looks fine to me on my tv.
I also miss 3D 😢
Omg 3D was the biggest gimmick once the novelty wore off thats why they axed it no one cares about wearing glasses when watching TV
Ah yes, the “gimmick” that led to the number 1 and number 3 grossing movies of all time, James Cameron’s Avatar
Well if they did it right and without the glasses, I would buy it
Definitely not trippin'. Passive 3D with a 4k tv was the pinnacle
I dont get you even on my uncalibrated Q80T you can clearly see theres more contrast & colour on Vanilla Sky even running on the Xbox compared to the standard bluray version
That's because sdr is the actual HDR. HDR is determine by the quality of tv screens you have
I don't think HDR is a scam. I was, too, disappointed by washed-out colors in games until I realized how important calibration is.
1) Using Windows HDR Calibration tool, I could opt in for more vibrant colors.
2) Many games provide HDR calibration settings.
In my experience, washed-out colors indicate low peak brightness. For example, in AC Odyssey I had to bump it to 800 cd/m2 on my DisplayHDR 400 screen to make the game look great. Also, once I configured Horizon Forbidden West by bumping highlights and shadows, the game looks truly amazing.
True, not every game has good HDR implementation and not every game looks good on HDR. However, when it works, it works really well. The fact that it's not plug & play all the time may turn off some people from using this technology, but every technology has trade-offs. You can't have it all. Also, I think that the issue with HDR comes from the nature of the technology and the variety of screens out there.
For years I have been playing the games in SDR just because I like more vibrant colors and didn't bother to do calibrations. Now, I try to adjust the game settings and then see for myself whether HDR is better. Recently, every game I have configured looks much, much better on HDR, with bright objects brighter, dark areas darker and super vibrant colors. Bright objects really stand out compared to SDR.
I Ori and the Will of the Wisps is a game that requires no manual settings to show amazing HDR can be.
i get your point but i am at a point in life where i want to turn on a game and play
and the windows calibration works in maybe 2 games doom and 1 other game i forgot other than that you have to dial in every single game
and its not a standart slider in some games you cant even realy tune the hdr
so i just turned it off and have a 90% as good picture as a 1 hour dialed in Hdr picture
but i guess thats just me
Calibration? There is no calibration to do when a TV doesn't get brighter...
yeah i can't lie i miss 3d TVs would rather they bring them back than try to sell me HDR
3D Tv where just a gimmick, unfortunately they might be coming back. Also the effect didn't work if you hand one eye that was weaker than the other, which is a large amount of people, it's also what made people feel nauseous . Another issue with 3D is that while directors like James Cameron made genuine attempts at 3D with films designed for the technology. Most studio just applied a filter to a previous existing 2D film.
3D. Yes. Bring back stereoscopic content and glasses with active shutters. In 4K 60fps: will be amasing on these 120Hz OLED TVs
People don’t realize how much more detail can be pulled from SDR. Learn about White Points, and I guarantee you’ll never go back to regular HDR…
@CyberPunkNeonLife Thanks bro!!
I have spent years trying to get my Samsung Ark to look good in HDR, but it always just looks disgusting to me, yet online everyone's talking about HDR as if they are creaming themselves when they look at it, but that certainly haven't been my experience at all.
There's a few HDR tests here on TH-cam that looks amazing in HDR, but actual content in games look like ass.
Honestly great motion can really change the game in television.
What do you think about Nvidia’s new HDR feature from their new control panel app?
I set my roku to 4k 60hz instead of 4k hdr 60hz. When they compare hdr vs sdr blu-rays side by side, you watching the comparison in sdr. Yes the shadow detail usually looks much better because they enhanced the dynamic range. You still get the benefit of that stretched dynamic range while watching a hdr mastered source with your device set to sdr
The companies need to come up with something to keep on selling. TV tech has plateaued and they are freaking out about it. Buying a $200 USD LED TV today would satisfy 90% of the people on Earth regarding picture quality, everything else is just a gimmick.
HDMI 2.1 features aren't gimmicks--for some they are absolutely nessecary.
Maybe that's why he does 3D shopping haha
cheap TV's picture quality are so trash u can literally go to the store and use your eyes.
This Quantum guy actually has no idea what he's talking about, bro spent like a week trying to set up his HDR and had a mental breakdown and gave up on it, meanwhile I spent like half a year and it's stunning, blows SDR out of the water, everyone that comes round that has an SDR screen at home is in awe of how games look on my screen.
You are right brother, HDR is crap, SDR will always be better under any circumstance, you can't even calibrate or colorized HDR, but there is one thing good about HDR it makes us appreciate the value of SDR even more, LOL,
2:44 That's kinda my problem with aspect ratios tbh. 16:9 was fine. But now phones are getting longer and longer. And so, the aspect ratio is always changing.
I'm fine with movie theaters having a longer aspect ratio, but devices? No.
Maybe I just like the consistency and parity idk. Like how I wish they replaced the headphone jack with a USB C port
Every time i go into hdr tv always looks more dim and colors are washed out
What tv you got?
Wich program should i use to convert hdr/dolby vision content that i have on my server? I use apple TV... is infuse the way to go?
To this day, hdr has no benefit on any other platform especially on apps by watching movies and sports in which it looks fake in most cases. In some apps like directv over the internet, if you didn’t want to watch live sports but want to disable the hdr you don’t have that choice but to watch it in hdr which is the most frustrating part about it which is terrible.
Thank you Sir, i realize that playing games on hisense u6k ps5 on 4k resolution on SDR gives a complete and blends spectrum of colour more true to reality, where as HDR always darkened the picture and exaggerate the colour sometimes ruin/dissapears the texture.., i dunno about dolby vision because ps5 doesnt has it
Hey man I learned so much from this. Thanks.
🤝🫡👍
I bought a 4k projector just for 3D movies. It says it supports HDR. When I actually researched into it, it turns out HDR is only the "best" experience when watching HDR content on an OLED TV with high NITS. Apparently most OLEDs cannot reach that kind of brightness. Projectors in movie theatres do not use HDR. TV for years didn't use HDR. So I finally gave up on it when I watched Shutter Island in 4k and when it finished I thought it was funny that the whole movie seemed kinda sepia tone. I popped in the Bluray disc and you can see the color of Leo's eyes and the color of the grass and the sky. Turns out even my 4k Projector can only "emulate" HDR. So I turned it off. I avoid HDR releases. Watching Mulholland Drive in a remastered 4k presentation from Criterion was more impactful. A 4k resolution is more important than the artificial post processing of HDR when it comes to watching films shot on 35mm/70mm. Even 16mm (El Mariachi) Blu-Ray looks amazing while upscaled on a quality 4k player (don't use video game consoles).
Its insulting when people say 3D movies are a gimmick when they provide actual three dimensional depth into a movie (when done well) but HDR is something I'm supposed to care about. Also the thing from last year's video. People just do not calibrate their screens. Nobody even cares to pop in a THX DVD and try to calibrate the screen just a bit. Every TV in every person's living room I've been in is always set to some kind of dynamic mode churning out all the post processing effects that the TV can do.
I've seen good HDR from games, but those give you something to calibrate with usually. On TVs though, you're spot on. If you do everything the way they want you to with the right TV and blu ray player, maybe you get a good experience, but I haven't. But if go offscript and want to rip to a Jellyfin or Plex server good fracking luck. Most people that value storage space would transcode to reduce file size and when HDR is involved you have way way more complications e.g. when I tried to transcode a Dolby vision 4k blu ray to an AV1 10bit file, it was unplayable because apparently AV1 on Intel QSV doesn't support Dolby vision. (I'll preempt the replies saying "use software transcoding its so much better" NO. I'm not wasting a full day to transcode one movie. Thats nuts. And QSV is good enough). And the end result (using H265 since AV1 wont work with Dolby Vision) was washed out crap compared to the one where I converted to BT 709.
You’re absolutely right. HDR sucks. I turn it off. 3D is way more immersive
It’s way too dark, and Dolby vision is unwatchable, I turned both off
I wish 3D was just another common feature you can use on all modern tvs if you want to. I do enjoy some movies in 3d and after introducing it it should have just become a feature all tv's should have. Sadly once 4k arrived it was quickly dumped for UHD and HDR (with HDR being the messiest feature ever introduced to tv with alll the standards and fake advertising etc)
I have an OLED monitor that can reach 1000 nits peak brightness. On PC I keep choosing SDR for games (and HDR is calibrated on Windows). On PS5 HDR is the right choice, but I will probably keep using SDR while on PC. Nice to know I'm not crazy lol
which WOLED or QD-OLED has the best SDR brightness? looking to buy a tv this year
Thank you so much for addressing this! I thought I was the only one that felt like this and everybody else was falling into that trap believing that it's something special.
If they only kept perfecting 3D TVs they would have been brilliant by now!
Imagine combining 3D with OLED technology... Man... That TV would be POPPING!
Instead, we got literally nothing. HDR was and is a gimmick. Even when you have the best TV, set it all up perfectly and it does looks great, SDR will still look even better.
HDR is like when you put a cheap protective screen on the phone. It just kills the vividness.
It's a marketing scheme fr
HDR depends on implementation
Is there a way to disable or turn hdr off on a Sony TV? X90J
You can if you get an Apple TV box
@@gman5218 what about If I have a Google Chromecast 4k TV? Thanks
I thought is just me.
The hdr and specially the Dolby Vision on my lg G3 are unbelievable a Disaster, zero details! For about 6 month i'm watching solely on sdr, just tweaked some pictures settings and now looks like a quantum oled tv😂
I can't put my TV on Sdr. It is a 2024 Nanocell. No option to turn hdr off 😔
@@jangarcia1338 great point, I forgot to mention that I solely use streaming devices like apple TV and shield TV where you can turn off DV and HDR. If I'm not mistaken, you can't turn off this features on the TV itself even oleds
Like you said HDR is hit or miss. Its almost ALWAYS a miss on PC though. Windows HDR is fkn AWFUL, everything is washed. Makes movies, games, everything look washed. HDR content NEEDS tonemapping for everything and pretty much NOTHING has tonemapping so its all a guessing game. Nvidias new HDR "emulator" or w.e it is though is changing that. It actually makes thing look good and makes HDR worth it on PC. Hopefully that kicks the rest of the industry in the butt and they get a standard going.
Naw
I think passive 3d or active 3d can make a return. If you think about it is the only step forward after oled. We already have perfect colors, contrasts and everything. Giving the scene that sense of depth would really be the cherry on top. 3D really is a missed opportunity.
But they are forcing us to watch crap because you can't turn hdr off. At least in most tvs that I know... 🙄😕
I still have a 55" LG 4k Passive 3D television. Avatar looks amazing on it! I'm even considering a short throw laser TV just so I can still enjoy 4k 3D content.
The color to me supercedes the detail...sure they are pretty match in my opinion, but the mood that can genre is more important to me...
I have my 65q9j01 tv calibrated and hdr content is amazing
So, so true. I bought myself a new monitor with HDR and it looks like crap. SDR is jsut the better option.
Speaking off s95b, are you going to have a settings video for firmware update 1622
The Tone-Mapping is really a mess in HDR world. HLG seems to be a good solution.
I came here to see is someone else would say HDR is a scam. Reason why is because I was playing Forza Horizon 5 on my Hisense R6 Series, 4K HDR10+ and Dolby Vision. I turned it off so I could screen share to my phone so I could get an accurate look at the color I was seeing when I looked it up on an OLED screen since screen sharing with it in made my phone screen darker and washed out. I got the color right. but also on my LED tv, the blacks are deeper, whites are brighter, colors like red for example is more vivid in SDR.
This is coming from someone who used Dolby Vision since I got the tv in 2022.
**HDR is a SCAM. **
I was not fan 3d tvs it was a gimmick. Anyone who has glass it was terrible. There are always going to be gimmicks to keep prices high on newer television.
Agree . SDR looks better.
Ok yeah hdr looks so washed out and like straight trash on my Hisense U7G. I'm glad it isn't just me. I thought I was crazy.
Does your display support hdr? And is it able to go up to 700nits+ ?
Ayeee my boi Q coming with the facts and the tea the av community streets need to hear this 🔥🔥💯💯 SDR is king he opened up so many people eye's about SDR vs HDR saved my 4k TV experience forever thankful
agree HDR is hopeless
❤❤❤ the TRUTH just keeps coming ❤❤
Nice suit
Thank you
Im inclined to agree. Although my screen (OLED G8) is nowhere near as fancy as that Samsung, I have tried four HDR screens, one even hitting 1400 nits but it still just seems off. I too have just sad forget HDR and just enjoy my 4k 240Hz SDR
You have calibrate it you know?
Personally whenever i turn on HDR the picture is just better, brighter more colorful and i love it, get the heck outta here
hey, SDR isnt avaible on disney plus 4k, any suggestions?
The riddler speaking facts
I still can't believe how much of a scam HDR is on windows and in games that "support" it.
All the devs do is up the games brightness and contrast and lock it when HDR is off in-game and in windows making it look all washed out.
When HDR is on ingame it just makes it look how the game is suppose to look.
Want proof?
Run older games that dont have HDR and it looks perfect, blacks are blacks and colors look right
Run any HDR game and itll look washed out UNLESS HDR IS ON.
TOTAL SCAM AND IM SICK OF THESE TACTICS
Finally someone said it out loud! HDR, HDR+10 and DOLBY VISION look all way worst than SDR. The way they marketing all this new 4K era of image is ridiculous! Yep, HDR can look great on super bright scenes but in darker ones looks like crap and totally washed out. So, forget watching your favourite horror films on HDR or Dolby Vision and enjoy them as you did on SDR.
Bruh hdr is much better are you ok? Dark scenes are now "dark" not grayish dark
The only thing I want to see desperately is someone finally come out with a 21:9 ultrawide TV. That would be great 👍
I was thinking on buying a dedicated 4k blu ray player to take advantage of the HDR Dolby Vision on my Sony OLED TV. Does this mean that I can just keep on using my regular blue-ray player and my blu-ray movies and save my money? I was also planning on building a new collection of 4K blu-ray movies, but since I already have the blu-rays I can also save more money on that 😂
I don‘t get it. Aren‘t there way more good examples of hdr out by now?
Since you mentioned that 9 out of 10 times sdr is better, an example of when hdr is better would have been helpful to really understand the problem.
The way I see it, it‘s all about how it was calibrated/mastered. I agree, the lack of a standard sucks but to my eye, Furiosa looked awesome in dolby vision (in cinemas) compared to the sdr screening. Or is this a different topic? I‘m confused, since I quite enjoyed the presentations I watched in hdr (both at home and in the theatre). I thought the broader color space was noticeable, especially banding seemed completely gone in the examples I have seen.
I agree that HDR is busted for the most part. id love to get a video on your opinion on Nvidias RTX HDR for video watching and gaming. It definitely fixed the black level floor raise in most games
HDR done properly is supposed to give you more detail you can't see in SDR. SDR and HDR should look ~90% the same when properly calibrated to 200 nits paper white recommendation. That's the problem. Either the set isn't correctly calibrated and/or the implementation is poor. It's not just a lot of Films, it's video games as well. A lot of TV's were being sold as FakeHDR. Like Samsung selling at Bestbuy as HDR with a little more than 200 nits. Scam indeed.
where's the jail stream?
At your mom’ s house…😂
You said it was bad few years before 2020. 2016? Alm9st 10 years almost. I've follows you since the x90d sony. I quit coming on here tor a year all socials. I'm gonne gonna get my first oled this years. QD oled. Should I go new samsung or go for the S95d,
HDR does nothing but way I er saturate colors and makes everything way too bright and it causes massive eye strain and leading to headaches.
A good way to explain this is simple
Comparing SDR vs HDR is the same as comparing color vs black and white.
Black and white is far more defined and has a 10 times sharper image than color.
While I do think hdr is better at its peak, I do agree with the fact, hdr is all over the place, and not all hdr looks the same. Some content makers just suck balls with making hdr content, and it's like a lot of the hdr content seems lazy, or like they just filtered the original image with a fake hdr.
The only time HDR Dolby Vision ever looks good is only when it's on TH-cam. if you're just watching a movie. It usually looks horrible.
None of this content reflects my personal experience, but I respect that there are different opinions on the subject. I love just about every HDR disc I own, they look great on my TV, and if that's not someone else's experience, then that's fine. I feel bad for them, but I respect their experience.
What I don't accept is the assertion that SDR is empirically and obviously superior, because it's simply not a true statement (I wouldn't make the same assertion about HDR either). There are too many variables and subjective factors in the mix to deem that absolutely true. Come over to my place some day and we'll A/B the two discs of Mission Impossible Ghost Protocol. and then we can talk about it.
Steve Mann Came up with the idea of HDR, he made a mess of film photography, that guy has got to go, he complicated the sh***T out of video photography
Hey man keep up the hard work i still dont understand why anonymous is so butt hurt you kicked him out if your discord i mean they still have spies trying to go into your discord or find you on tik tok or insta
HDR is the aftermarket LED headlights of the TV world. Good for searing your retina, not much else.
HDR looks amazing on my Alienware QD-OLED gaming monitor. I was just playing Alan Wake 2 tonight and the lights really pop. Too be fair I set it up properly, it just required me to run the calibration tool.
Hdr is better if done right but most games have poorly hdr
I have a non hdr 4k tv.... It's looks great. I've seen hdr sets at friends houses.... When set up correctly and showing a 4k disc that showcases hdr... The results can be impressive... But its not the be all and end all
HDR looks good on the S95B to me whenever I watch movies smh 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Turn off contrast enhancer and watch native hdr. You'll change your mind
@@Quantum_TV I’ve been doing that & it’s looks good imo.
@@Itzjakebruhyeah hdr is not a scam blame the companies for selling 400nits screen as HDR. Hdr is much much better the colors are more like really life where it is bright for example red are now red not red/whiteish 😅
I don’t use HDR on anything cause it makes the image look bad one way or another .
Nothing I watch in Dolby Vision looks the way you describe and show here. NOTHING. As a matter of fact, putting in a 4K Blu-ray movie and turning off the HDR on the player the image looks disgusting. Skin tones look unnatural and the colors have this horrible overly saturated unnatural look. Putting it back in Dolby Vision and the colors are natural the image is bright the highlights pop and there is more detail in the darker scenes. This is with Ford V Ferrari on 4K Blu-ray.
I’ll admit sometimes the HDR is broken. There needs to be more standards but every source and content is going to look different. Ever hear of film makers intent? Not everything needs to be saturated and exploding with color and detail like the advertising would suggest. Overall HDR is better than SDR. BUT, HDR is going to look it’s best in a dark room. SDR prioritizes APL brightness and HDR prioritizes highlight brightness.
hdr is the best if you buy the disk then you can see it i dont streem
I think dolby vision dark I see more blooming on my sony xh95 tv with it on than I do with sky q mini box. it looks better on my LG Cx
Thanks for being honest.
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sorry if I have to be this guy, but your mic sound very noisy. Maybe something to do with your gain, bc a i can hear every small movment of u aswell. Kinda disturbes the watching experience
Dude, I am using a 34dwf Alienware Oled monitor the best of the best HDR certified and yet with and without calibration HDR is always a hit or miss and in more cases, it is a miss! (in games) HDR is simply not a standard everyone just plays with brightness and contrast etc… and trying to push this stupid technology that simply isn't what it promises to be. I also have a 65-inch c3 by LG Oled and we have exactly the same story there with the consoles… it is a gimmick. If you wanna punchy a picture use SDR and reduce in-game brightness to the point just before you start losing details in the dark and I promise you ain't even gonna bother to check the HDR implementation. A night is supposed to look like night and day is supposed to look like day and SDR can deliver just that. Only you need to play a tiny bit with your brightness and contrast levels and you're set! Unlike HDR where one scene will look awesome the next be washed out and the third be too bright or too dark…
Damn ur right..
Hell no quantum you're not tripping. Just telling the truth. Agree with you on the 3D thing too.
Thanks Quantum
I've always wanted to play Super Mario in HDR😂😂
hdr is so black and sdr 🤞😗👌
HDR is good actually. Better than SDR even. Not even close.
Bruh
I don't get how you could spend this much time in the industry and still not understand why people are drinking the HDR kool-aid. I'd call it a matter of preference, but the way you talk about HDR is so obviously based on misconceptions about it that I'm astonished no one has just showed you a properly calibrated HDR display. If you see what the extra range is actually adding to the image, then it won't be a mystery anymore.