For those unaware, “standard” HDR is HDR10. Then there is 10+ and Dolby Vision. HDR 10 is still better than no HDR at all so most cases you will still see an upgrade from standard Blu Ray to 4K HDR
Wes-Fish Care Have two of those for each of my TV's. Watch Dolby Vision on my LG OLED and I have yet to see HDR10+ for my Samsung 4K LCD (I know its not the best, but I bought it for 75% off)
@@spaceodds1985 There both the same .when we get 12 bit panels then you'll see true Dolby Vision. Right now with 10 bit technology all you see is a watered down version of Dolby Vision , Dolby Vision at 10 bits. What your seeing is HDR 10+ wrapped in a Dolby Vision logo. Another words the industry is ripping you off and they know it.
From what I understand from several websites, HDR10 was developed by Dolby as a subset of Dolby Vision and given to Consumer Technology Association for free use. Somewhat like how you can download a program for free and get the basic functions, but to get the bells and whistles you have to buy the license key. Something that seemed to be misrepresented is that HDR10 doesn't send any data to the TV at all. From what I read of the specs, it sends HDR information to the TV about the entire video at the beginning of the video signal, but Dolby Vision and HDR10+ send data throughout the video so that HDR can be adjusted for different parts of the video as it plays.
Right and your still not getting true Dolby Vision. It's the biggest scam I have seen in the electronic market for along time. You guys have do some homework and see the light DV is a fake in it's present form .Why money and profits.
Nice video, but at the end of the day the quality of your 4K TV and it's image processing is far more important when it comes to image quality than which premium HDR format is supported. Also: The dynamic tone-mapping processing of many high end TVs does a great job at taking base level HDR10 to the next level.
Just to let you know the Panasonic 2019 oled’s over here in the uk have both HDR10+ and Dolby Vision I guess it’s a shame for you guys there not selling them in the US
Hi Films At Home you cant forget about Panasonic. They support both Dolby Vision and HDR10+. And Lions Gate will also have support for HDR10+ and Dolby Vision
But speaking of Disney UHD releases, if you have a player like the Panasonic UB820 and UB9000 or with LG/Sony/Panasonic TVs with Dynamic Tone Mapping, then you can achieve for the most part the results of HDR10+
I have the new Panasonic OLED that has HDR, HDR+, and Dolby Vision. The 4k broadcasts in Asia are going HDR+ which is where I live. I wanted a TV to do all formats until the formats play themselves out. Next TV will be microled in about 4 years.
@@JeffRauseo I'm wondering which of these TVs best shows the first five minutes of Marvel's Black Panther: Philips 43pus7354 / 12, sony kd43xg8196, sony kd8396, samsung QE43Q60rat, or some panasonic, LG or Hisense in that category?
@@JeffRauseo Its really Dolby's fault for being greedy and making their 12-bit version proprietary and requiring licensing. They pull that and they become THE format. Their name on it it should be good enough at this point.
its over at this point there are faaaar more Dolby Vision releases. its seems streaming is championing this format for HDR that's seems to be the driving factor for selection of the HDR grade. if you have to choose go Dolby Vision
I don't think that HDR10 is 4000 nits only. Most movies are mastered for 1000 nits or 4000 nits but the standard is meant to support even 10000 nits if studio wants to. Dolby Vision has dynamic metadata (similar to HDR10+) but is mastered for 12 bit panels (that means even more colors). HDR10/HDR10+ supports only 10 bit panels/color palet.
That's right ,but Dolby Vision in it's present form is a farce .What Dolby is hyping is not what we're getting. DV with a 10 bit panel is HDR10+ What we need is more push back so Dolby at least lets the consumer know DV with 10 bit panels is seeing a watered down version of Dolby Vision 12 bit technology. Funny thing is in the Dolby PDF at there web site They say that. I would think and I could be wrong ,if DV was as great as hyped we would be seeing a huge difference over HDR10 or 10+ ,but by the comments I have seen from different forums that doesn't seem to be true with consumers. The experts pushing DV not so much, They say DV is the cats meow. Someone is lying here and I think it's easy to see what group is lying.
There aren’t any 12-bit panels sold as TVs that I’m aware of. Even high end OLED panels are 10-bit. Most 12-bit displays I’ve seen are for desk sized computer monitors and they’re very expensive, meant for VFX and color artists, not consumers. I don’t see the point...these are not consumer products. No one is going to spend tens of thousands of dollars on a professional grade 24” video monitoring display to watch movies on. Even those new Apple displays are like 6 grand, and they’re tiny, not TV sizes.
Dolby Vision is mastered to 12 bits , not for 12 bit panels. Yes, 12 bit panels will benefit more from the higher colors and no color banding. 10 bit panels with primary colors having better precision, as well as Dolby Vision Dynamic tone mapping having no visible artifacts.
@@5urg3x Not for but to. Look at it this way, I use to install for Directv. Sometimes customers would order HDDVR or HD receivers for a old tube TV. If you set the receivers to 1080i while connected to the dinosaur, you get this pristine clean image. Although the TV is 480i native, it benefited from the much higher resolution being sent to the display. Or you can consider super sampling, where the extra pixels from a higher resolution source is used to fill in where aliasing starts on a lower resolution display.
@12:34 Man I totally feel you on that comment! I've just recently gotten into 4K and find it hard to believe that it's literally just now pretty much at the entry level as I have tested discs with no HDR to discs with HDR/10/+ and Dolby Vision and gotta say without HDR10+ or Dolby Vision I would have been severely disappointed as those formats smooth out color banding, black crush and other issues, these formats should have been "day 1" 4K technologies though i'm sure they will come up with all kinds of excuses I really do feel for those early 4K adopters.
I have a vizio hdr 10+ display but I haven't experienced dolby vision in person. So I can't really compare them. I hope they just compromise so I can see both. I have mostly Dolby vison discs so I only see standard hdr.
I thought Capt Marvel was one of the better efforts, but the Iron Man movies look pretty average, The Avengers movies hardly look any different than the blurays. Ant-Man and the Wasp was over saturated and over bright, worse than the bluray. I was going to collect the entire MCU but I'm less than impressed.
@@jamied1579 I want to have the entire MCU on 4K Blu-ray but they aren't anything special on 4K and rarely go on sale but when they do go on sale there's really no difference from the original price
I an just glad that Paramount still own the distribution rights to the Indy films meaning that they they will be in charge of the 4K mastering of those films and not Disney's half hearted attitudes.
I have Samsung flagship from 2021 and a Lg 4K tv. Honestly I like the Dolby vision more. The details just pop more on the Lg but the colors are better on the Samsung.
HDFury makes little tiny HDMI switcher/scaler boxes that resolve all of this. For $199, you can pick up an HDFury "Arcana" that not only adds eArc HDMI capability to your TV but also converts the Dolby Vision or HDR10+ that your device (Apple TV 4k, Shield, 4K Bluray player, etc) outputs to "Tone Mapped" HDR that any display (projector OR LED/OLED) can handle with all of the dynamic frame by frame HDR goodness feast for your eyes to see.
Hi Jeff. I have a curiosity for you. When the studios prepares to do a 4K Blu-Ray release, do any of them try the three (Dolby Vision, HDR, HDR+) individually to compare results for the particular movie they're working on & choose the best one? One more question. When studios restore a previously restored Criterion title, are they using the original source Criterion started with or are they using Criterion's restored version & continuing where they left off? Take care! --- Bill (From Mt. Holly, NJ)
Good stuff to know for when I upgrade again. I bought a knock off brand 4k tv a couple years ago for cheap. It may not be great but it was still better than anything I'd ever had before. But next time I'll definitely be aiming higher.
This is why most consumers have not adopted the 4K format. It’s too much confusion when it comes to disks, Players what disk ect, I have only bought a few 4K disks as firstly £29.99 for a new movie is ridiculous in my opinion when comparing to standard blu ray usually £9.99 and still great quality that plays the content on all players and tvs without all the confusion. Secondly I have had 5 4K disks with problems of sticking on a scene or not playing correctly, these were brand new disks that I had to send back and get replaced which is a hassle and adds to my 4K frustration. I love movies and collecting but 4K has frustrated me I will continue to buy second hand blu rays at £2 or £3 that always play and I think in 5 years I have had one faulty disk. Love the channel! Thanks
The reason disney does not do any HDR or Dolby Vision content is because there content has so much cgi it is impossible for them to do so. This is why alot of true hdr movies not fake hdr movies filmed in 2k and upscaled are movies with little to none cgi. To render one cgi frame it can take up to 120 hours at 2k could you imagine trying that at 4k its impossible... Cgi is the worst thing to hit the movie industry I cant stand it personally. I didn't even bother watching midway which should change its title to cgi krap. I guess my comment also answers the question as to why older movies look so much better in hdr then newer movies😉
Lets see a 12 bit panel = 64 billion colors ,what does a 10 bit panel offer? Guys do some homework Dolby vision with a 10 bit panel = HDR 10+ It's a scam and Dolby needs to own up to that. The placebo effect is in place here. You think you see a difference but not really . We went thru this on the audio side back in the day with Dolby digital VS DTS .Turns out is wasn't true and both of these technologies to the ear sounded the same. Marketers know what they are doing , they are smart and know how to pull the wool over the consumers eyes.
I have the 65” Panasonic GZ 1000 with both formats HDR 10+ and Dolby Vision, awesome tv and also amazing picture quality, the Panasonic 4K player is pretty awesome too. It’s too bad for 2021 Panasonic no longer sells its TVs here in Canada, it’s really a shame as they have the best TVs, I still have my 12 year old 60” Panasonic plasma tv and it still has a great picture, no issues and still going strong.
The main reasons for products having different versions of HDR (HDR10, HDR10+, DV) is about license fees and what the media makers and distributors are prepared to pay for. If the hardware, (TV or PJ), is capable of displaying the defined levels of High Dynamic Range (that is a defined level of brightness and contrast from the pure black to total white as determined and defined by laboratory tests - and early models of display devices were not capable), then it is simply a case of which software/firmware option is selected to install in the display device. This is why you can have all or none. If the display can handle the levels and ranges as defined by the standards, then what you get will be dependent on which fees have been paid and which chip sets are installed in the display device (or AVR). The disc media itself must (of course) contain a version of the movie that has been graded and rendered with editors and software that also has the version of HDR the distributors want to provide. One never-discussed issue is, you can have a disc encoded with HDR10+ and/or DV, and an AVR also capable of decoding and sending the data to your TV or PJ, but your display device cannot handle the range or does it badly, like cheap TV's, the result is a crappy looking picture.
Very helpful, thank you. I'll be returning the Panasonic HDR10+ player I bought for my LG C8-OLED. It supports HDR 10 and Dolby Vision. Honestly , I didn't know about all these formats :(
@@JeffRauseo Right but your not getting Dolby Vision ether. How about HDR10+ ,thats what your getting. Dolby's own website has a PDF on Dolby Vision and the first spec is a 12 bit panel to see DV. You guys need to do the homework and tell the truth because people are getting ripped off .So instead of worrying about likes and hits and perks let get some truth, your like and hits will go thru the roof , people like truth.
...four years on, has there been a change, how many HDR10+ 4K releases compared to Dolby Vision, and how many 4K without HDR? It's seems this dilemma 'war' is still frustrating! Dolby Vision & Dolby Atmos have good synergy, but at a cost. History has shown that formats with more accessibility and openly available tend to win.
I think we’ve about reached the the point we’re the human eye can no longer detect these minuscule differences. This isn’t VHS to DVD or DVD to Blu-ray.
The "war" is over, Dolby Vision won with HDR being the default base standard. HDR10+ is finished. The consortium website hasn't been updated since the start of the year and has only small fry supporters apart from the 3 companies that started it, two of which have given up on the format, leaving only Samsung pushing HDR10+ and they don't produce any content. HDR, HLG and DV will remain, HDR10+ will be forgotten about like HD-DVD soon.
oh man. i have LG UBK 80 4K BD Player and Samsung TU7700 Tv.. I was wondering why my 4K discs was a little bit flat, looks really good with top gun but could look better??
HD DVD FTW I hated when they lost. Swore I never buy another physical media movie and certainly never on Blu-ray. Promise kept until 4K Blu-ray came out. Now I have some 80 titles on that format.
I just bought a brand new Panasonic that does both Dolby Atmos also works through arc so I can watch Dolby Vision & get Atmos through the amp when watching Netflix
Hi love your channel 👍 But i think you should invest in a decent mic!!! The audio is not the best very tinney and hard to listen too!! Please not a negative just a thought.
I have a question for you, i have a Xbox one X and just found out that they dont have Dolby vision in the blu ray drive. do you know if theres a date for them to upgrade their blu ray drive? thanks from Brazil, keep making this great vídeos.
more people than you would think use gaming consoles as disk players. would be interesting to see a video on what the hell formats they put out as against dedicated bluray/4K players.....
Gotta dis agree on the Disney 4Ks not looking much better than the blu ray. Sure it’s disappointing they aren’t doing Dolby vision, but HDR in itself plus the resolution bump is easily noticeable and welcome. At least to me.
My Oppo player plays both HDR10 and Dolby vision. Depending on the disk, either HDR10 or Dolby vision will appear on my screen momentarily when I put the disk in. And regardless of what format it is, they look totally awesome on my 65 in. LG Oled TV.
Great video! Should be interesting to see the first comparisons of Godzilla - King of the Monsters and Alita Battle Angel, HDR10+ versus DolbyVision... keep up the good work!
I can tell you ,no difference DV 10 bit panel = HDR10+. DV 12 bit panel well that's something really different. Sadly for consumers there are no 12 bit panels yet .
Tcl is a great choice if your on a budget, I spent 550 on a 2017 model with a Sony 4k player a couple years ago. I was going to upgrade to Dolby but might be better to let things shake out. Thanks for the info
Justin Byrne Just like their 4K players support the formats also. Got two 820's one for me OLED where Dolby Vision can be viewed and one for my LED where hopefully I can get HDR10+ soon.
HDR10 is standard metadata. Your TV basically composites what the color should look like based off the first and last frame of the movie. Dolby Vision and HDR10+ are dynamic metadata. Your TV will optimize color based off the scene or frame by frame. Furthermore, Dolby Vision and HDR10+ will have differences in nit rates and the brightness capability they're mastered; this is where the TV's ability to tone map correctly comes into play.
I got a panasonic jx850 4k tv last year 40 inch and had to switch dolby vision off as was making pictures a bit too dark. This was the case with both streaming movies and blu ray player. Tv was expensive too for a 40 inch tv and got good reviews.
So if a movie supports HDR and dolby vision, should u turn on both? I'm pretty ignorant when it comes to technical stuff. My 4k blu ray player has dolby vision but I'm never sure when I should use it.
Alcrats I used to use my Xbox one x as my 4K player, but ended up buying a separate player that supported Dolby vision as well as hdr. I found out Xbox only supports Netflix for Dolby vision and nothing else. HDR is fine though.
Hi Jeff, Really liked the video I definitely think one of the best TVs for this is the Sony ZD9 (Z9D as you know it in North America). I say this as also as supporter of the 3D format so at least that way you’re getting a 3D TV with a premium HDR experience for your 4K movies. Yes I know this comment is very convoluted because obviously 3D and HDR have no relationship at all but again if you’re a collector of 3D movies and have a collection of 4K movies as well that might be something else for an end user to look into. I’m not however sure about other manufacturers such as Samsung, Panasonic and LG with their legacy TVs they have since been discontinued as with Sony. Ultimately I just think HDR formats need to be streamlined as to not confuse the general consumer because not all consumers can be nerds. If I was to have a bet I’m going to assume that James Cameron himself is responsible for saying put both HDR formats on Alita, I’ll be looking forward to that review from yourself because that movie is fucking amazing. If there was ever a movie that needed anybody’s support for a sequel and unnecessary sequel not something shoehorned or whatever the fuck it would be this movie. All the best and thanks again for sharing the video and your thoughts and opinions also.
I would definitely switch your TV to an LG or Sony. You are going to miss out on Netflix’s Dolby Vision versions, Disney Plus’ offerings that both always choose dolby vision and many other films. Calling this a war is giving HDR10+ a bit too much credit, Dolby Vision has clearly won from the adoption rate
I heard panasonic will have a 4k tv that will be able to process both...but they pulled out from selling their televisions to North America...theyre supposed to do a test run in Canada and see how that goes before considering selling again in the states
The Sony UBP-X700 supports Dolby Vision and HDR10 so I'm confused by your explanation. I bought a Sony UBP-X800 at Best Buy about 2 years ago but I cannot find any information about it's HDR. Do you know? Sony also has a UBP-X800M2 which supports both (?)
You forgot streaming Vudu support Dolby vision across the board and Fandango supports hdr10 I have an LG C9 and when I watch Vudu I get Dolby vision and when I watch Fandango I watch hdr10 so I actually have the option of streaming both that's why I prefer to stream then to use my 4K Xbox S
I have non-HDR 4K tv. My first player was Samsung's very first 4K effort with, I think, just standard HDR and it hardly made any difference to Bluray, but recently I bought a Panasonic DP-420 which is one of their budget players but is stacked with great features including support for HDR 10+ and Dolby Vision and it makes a HUGE difference on my tv. I don't know how this would play out on a HDR tv, especially a high-end set but I will be upgrading to probably a QLED soon and I will definitely be looking at Panasonic's high-end player
@@markciso1028 I'd read in at least a couple of places that it did have Dolby Vis, but upon looking at the specs it seems you're correct. It just says it has support for 'multiple HDR formats' but doesn't list D.V.
Another thing, Disney does do Dolby Vision movies, but from what I have seen a lot of their Dolby Vision is online, if you buy any avengers movie on Blu-ray UHD, or just purchase it online, most likely it will be Dolby Vision online, so they do have Dolby Vision movies, just rarely on desk. I think Dolby Vision most likely will come out ahead since 12 bit it is on the way in the next year or two, Dolby Vision gives us more color depth which goes to 12 bit hdr10+ is more of a political war for Hollywood, it is a Hollywood alliance format and Dolby Vision is it’s own format which deserves a lot of respect because they’ve been doing it for over 15 years experimenting with HDR technology.
By the time 12 bit panels arrive on the market there will be an HDR10+ equivalent that supports 12 bit color. Also: I think the whole appear of HDR 10+ for studios and hardware manufactures is the fact that it's royalty free.
TheInfamous I understand that Dolby Vision is a paid licensing fee, but I’d rather pay for something that I want accurately, then have Hollywood dictate what I see in my living room for free, I rather pay to have freedom, then have something free to be a slave, not a big deal in particular in this case but I just think that the ideals aren’t for me with HDR 10+ is concerned.
Well I can honestly say my 4k player supports all the formats Panasonic ub9000, however my display does not, even though its a samsung 4k display it's from 2015. Time to upgrade soon. Which display to get that's the question.?
Can you make a video about audio set-ups? I have a 4K TV and player and want my audio to have more of a kick but I don't know what kind of system (soundbar/subwoofer, etc.) to get. Thanks.
the vast majority of "subs" are NOT subwoofers at all. People don't understand what a proper subwoofer does sadly. I see a lot of so called subs that are simple bass enhancers and not true subs. Enhancing bass output at 35 hz is *not* a subwoofer. Going down to 10 hz is. There is only two brands I recommend for subwoofers, and they are REL and velodyne.
Too bad Panasonic don't make TVs in the US anymore so instead of having both HDR formats we're stuck choosing either Dolby Vision (LG, Sony, Vizio, etc.) or HDR10+ (Samsung is our only option for that format here in the US). In the end regular HDR10 is the most common format of all so likely that'll remain supreme while the others will be nice premium alternatives.
Hi it sounds good and it’s cheaper then both LG and Samsung At the moment it’s selling for less then $2000 Australian At one of our stores Here’s a link Can you have a look and let me know what you think of it please? www.panasonic.com/au/consumer/televisions/premium-ultra-hd-tvs/th-65gx850a.html
I just ordered a new Samsung 90R QLED TV and haven't even received it yet but I'm hoping that in the future that all we need to do is a firmware update if Samsung decides to have both formats. That would be the best option if this can be done. Are the formats done in software only or do you have to have the right hardware as well?
No worry Dolby Vision with 10 bit panels = HDR10+. You can't say i'm seeing DV with a 10 bit panel when DV is a 12 bit technology. Maybe the extra 2 bits won't mean anything except 12 bit panels = 64 billion colors ,something were not seeing presently.
The first UHD release of The Last Jedi actually had Dolby Vision. The second release along with the other Star Wars films only has HDR10. Just thought I’d correct you there.
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For those unaware, “standard” HDR is HDR10. Then there is 10+ and Dolby Vision.
HDR 10 is still better than no HDR at all so most cases you will still see an upgrade from standard Blu Ray to 4K HDR
nope HDR is the standard. HDR10 was meant to compete with Dolby Vision.
@@wclark3196 im ok with it
@@wclark3196 Often? take a hike.
HDR10+ has better color than HDR
Don't forget about Panasonic. They support hdr 10+ and Dolby vision
Marcus Reynolds And Philips :)
Panasonic UB820 4K player is phenomenal
Wes-Fish Care Have two of those for each of my TV's. Watch Dolby Vision on my LG OLED and I have yet to see HDR10+ for my Samsung 4K LCD (I know its not the best, but I bought it for 75% off)
So is this the only brand so far that supports both? Was looking at the GZ1000U 65”
@@spaceodds1985 There both the same .when we get 12 bit panels then you'll see true Dolby Vision. Right now with 10 bit technology all you see is a watered down version of Dolby Vision , Dolby Vision at 10 bits. What your seeing is HDR 10+ wrapped in a Dolby Vision logo. Another words the industry is ripping you off and they know it.
From what I understand from several websites, HDR10 was developed by Dolby as a subset of Dolby Vision and given to Consumer Technology Association for free use. Somewhat like how you can download a program for free and get the basic functions, but to get the bells and whistles you have to buy the license key.
Something that seemed to be misrepresented is that HDR10 doesn't send any data to the TV at all. From what I read of the specs, it sends HDR information to the TV about the entire video at the beginning of the video signal, but Dolby Vision and HDR10+ send data throughout the video so that HDR can be adjusted for different parts of the video as it plays.
Right and your still not getting true Dolby Vision. It's the biggest scam I have seen in the electronic market for along time. You guys have do some homework and see the light DV is a fake in it's present form .Why money and profits.
@@thomasvinelliwhat do you mean by Dolby Vision is fake?
he’s just saying shit atp
Nice video, but at the end of the day the quality of your 4K TV and it's image processing is far more important when it comes to image quality than which premium HDR format is supported. Also: The dynamic tone-mapping processing of many high end TVs does a great job at taking base level HDR10 to the next level.
HDR and all its iterations made me fall in love with movies old and new all over again.
Just to let you know the Panasonic 2019 oled’s over here in the uk have both HDR10+ and Dolby Vision I guess it’s a shame for you guys there not selling them in the US
Hi Films At Home you cant forget about Panasonic. They support both Dolby Vision and HDR10+.
And Lions Gate will also have support for HDR10+ and Dolby Vision
But speaking of Disney UHD releases, if you have a player like the Panasonic UB820 and UB9000 or with LG/Sony/Panasonic TVs with Dynamic Tone Mapping, then you can achieve for the most part the results of HDR10+
The Last Jedi is in Dolby Vision. You are right the Dolby atoms from Disney isn’t very good.
I have the new Panasonic OLED that has HDR, HDR+, and Dolby Vision. The 4k broadcasts in Asia are going HDR+ which is where I live. I wanted a TV to do all formats until the formats play themselves out. Next TV will be microled in about 4 years.
2019 Panasonic TVs and players support both Dolby vision and hdr10+
Dolby Vision just looks better and supports WAY more meta data.
@filmsathome
Great video but a small correction...Black Panther and Star Wars: the Last Jedi both have Dolby Vision HDR.
The Last Jedi from the Skywalker Saga boxset only has HDR, no Dolby Vision. Why? Rediculous.
Grant McFarlane Apparently all Star Wars films have Dolby Vision on Disney+. So why not in the physical release? It’s just mind-boggling.
I dont think you give HDR10 (regular HDR) enough credit. It's still a huge step up from SDR
Oh absolutely. I think HDR is great. It’s just a shame that no one can come together on a superior version of the technology
@@JeffRauseo I'm wondering which of these TVs best shows the first five minutes of Marvel's Black Panther: Philips 43pus7354 / 12, sony kd43xg8196, sony kd8396, samsung QE43Q60rat, or some panasonic, LG or Hisense in that category?
@@JeffRauseo Its really Dolby's fault for being greedy and making their 12-bit version proprietary and requiring licensing. They pull that and they become THE format. Their name on it it should be good enough at this point.
thosearepinklemons if my tv don't have Dolby vision will it show
@@DanielMazz All movies that are Dolby Vision have an HDR10 base layer. So yes, you will still be able to play it, and it will be HDR
I believe for some releases Disney might go to Dolby Vision. They did that already for their 4K releases of The Last Jedi and Black Panther.
disney+ is dolby vision
@@WesleyBtje Which is even more baffling as to why their physical media has no dolby vision
its over at this point there are faaaar more Dolby Vision releases. its seems streaming is championing this format for HDR that's seems to be the driving factor for selection of the HDR grade. if you have to choose go Dolby Vision
Black Panther has Dolby Vision... the only exception.
And the 2018 release of The Last Jedi apparently. However, with the 2019/20 release they now only have HDR10, which is kind of confusing.
I don't think that HDR10 is 4000 nits only. Most movies are mastered for 1000 nits or 4000 nits but the standard is meant to support even 10000 nits if studio wants to. Dolby Vision has dynamic metadata (similar to HDR10+) but is mastered for 12 bit panels (that means even more colors). HDR10/HDR10+ supports only 10 bit panels/color palet.
That's right ,but Dolby Vision in it's present form is a farce .What Dolby is hyping is not what we're getting. DV with a 10 bit panel is HDR10+ What we need is more push back so Dolby at least lets the consumer know DV with 10 bit panels is seeing a watered down version of Dolby Vision 12 bit technology. Funny thing is in the Dolby PDF at there web site They say that. I would think and I could be wrong ,if DV was as great as hyped we would be seeing a huge difference over HDR10 or 10+ ,but by the comments I have seen from different forums that doesn't seem to be true with consumers. The experts pushing DV not so much, They say DV is the cats meow. Someone is lying here and I think it's easy to see what group is lying.
There aren’t any 12-bit panels sold as TVs that I’m aware of. Even high end OLED panels are 10-bit. Most 12-bit displays I’ve seen are for desk sized computer monitors and they’re very expensive, meant for VFX and color artists, not consumers. I don’t see the point...these are not consumer products. No one is going to spend tens of thousands of dollars on a professional grade 24” video monitoring display to watch movies on. Even those new Apple displays are like 6 grand, and they’re tiny, not TV sizes.
Dolby Vision is mastered to 12 bits , not for 12 bit panels. Yes, 12 bit panels will benefit more from the higher colors and no color banding. 10 bit panels with primary colors having better precision, as well as Dolby Vision Dynamic tone mapping having no visible artifacts.
Quincy Sloan How is a 10bit display going to accurately show something mastered for 12bit?
@@5urg3x Not for but to. Look at it this way, I use to install for Directv. Sometimes customers would order HDDVR or HD receivers for a old tube TV. If you set the receivers to 1080i while connected to the dinosaur, you get this pristine clean image. Although the TV is 480i native, it benefited from the much higher resolution being sent to the display. Or you can consider super sampling, where the extra pixels from a higher resolution source is used to fill in where aliasing starts on a lower resolution display.
Panasonic is dual HDR10+ and Dolby Vision.
So does LG and Phillips
@12:34 Man I totally feel you on that comment! I've just recently gotten into 4K and find it hard to believe that it's literally just now pretty much at the entry level as I have tested discs with no HDR to discs with HDR/10/+ and Dolby Vision and gotta say without HDR10+ or Dolby Vision I would have been severely disappointed as those formats smooth out color banding, black crush and other issues, these formats should have been "day 1" 4K technologies though i'm sure they will come up with all kinds of excuses I really do feel for those early 4K adopters.
I have a vizio hdr 10+ display but I haven't experienced dolby vision in person. So I can't really compare them. I hope they just compromise so I can see both. I have mostly Dolby vison discs so I only see standard hdr.
Interesting video. Have to agree on the Disney quality of 4K discs, they're poor, perfect example was Captain Marvel that looked bland in 4K.
I thought Capt Marvel was one of the better efforts, but the Iron Man movies look pretty average, The Avengers movies hardly look any different than the blurays. Ant-Man and the Wasp was over saturated and over bright, worse than the bluray.
I was going to collect the entire MCU but I'm less than impressed.
@@jamied1579 I want to have the entire MCU on 4K Blu-ray but they aren't anything special on 4K and rarely go on sale but when they do go on sale there's really no difference from the original price
I an just glad that Paramount still own the distribution rights to the Indy films meaning that they they will be in charge of the 4K mastering of those films and not Disney's half hearted attitudes.
@@spaceodds1985 let's hope so, but most of the Paramount movies I have on 4k are nothing special either.
Thankfully Sony own the rights to the Spider-Man film series. I'm also glad Universal kept the rights to their two Hulk films.
I have Samsung flagship from 2021 and a Lg 4K tv. Honestly I like the Dolby vision more. The details just pop more on the Lg but the colors are better on the Samsung.
HDFury makes little tiny HDMI switcher/scaler boxes that resolve all of this. For $199, you can pick up an HDFury "Arcana" that not only adds eArc HDMI capability to your TV but also converts the Dolby Vision or HDR10+ that your device (Apple TV 4k, Shield, 4K Bluray player, etc) outputs to "Tone Mapped" HDR that any display (projector OR LED/OLED) can handle with all of the dynamic frame by frame HDR goodness feast for your eyes to see.
Hi Jeff. I have a curiosity for you. When the studios prepares to do a 4K Blu-Ray release, do any of them try the three (Dolby Vision, HDR, HDR+) individually to compare results for the particular movie they're working on & choose the best one?
One more question. When studios restore a previously restored Criterion title, are they using the original source Criterion started with or are they using Criterion's restored version & continuing where they left off? Take care! --- Bill (From Mt. Holly, NJ)
Good stuff to know for when I upgrade again. I bought a knock off brand 4k tv a couple years ago for cheap. It may not be great but it was still better than anything I'd ever had before. But next time I'll definitely be aiming higher.
This is why most consumers have not adopted the 4K format. It’s too much confusion when it comes to disks, Players what disk ect, I have only bought a few 4K disks as firstly £29.99 for a new movie is ridiculous in my opinion when comparing to standard blu ray usually £9.99 and still great quality that plays the content on all players and tvs without all the confusion. Secondly I have had 5 4K disks with problems of sticking on a scene or not playing correctly, these were brand new disks that I had to send back and get replaced which is a hassle and adds to my 4K frustration. I love movies and collecting but 4K has frustrated me I will continue to buy second hand blu rays at £2 or £3 that always play and I think in 5 years I have had one faulty disk. Love the channel! Thanks
Thanks for the video. You've taught me a ton about this stuff and I really appreciate it.
The reason disney does not do any HDR or Dolby Vision content is because there content has so much cgi it is impossible for them to do so. This is why alot of true hdr movies not fake hdr movies filmed in 2k and upscaled are movies with little to none cgi. To render one cgi frame it can take up to 120 hours at 2k could you imagine trying that at 4k its impossible... Cgi is the worst thing to hit the movie industry I cant stand it personally. I didn't even bother watching midway which should change its title to cgi krap. I guess my comment also answers the question as to why older movies look so much better in hdr then newer movies😉
Dolby vision to me is the best it uses more bit depth!
Lets see a 12 bit panel = 64 billion colors ,what does a 10 bit panel offer? Guys do some homework Dolby vision with a 10 bit panel = HDR 10+ It's a scam and Dolby needs to own up to that. The placebo effect is in place here. You think you see a difference but not really . We went thru this on the audio side back in the day with Dolby digital VS DTS .Turns out is wasn't true and both of these technologies to the ear sounded the same. Marketers know what they are doing , they are smart and know how to pull the wool over the consumers eyes.
I have the 65” Panasonic GZ 1000 with both formats HDR 10+ and Dolby Vision, awesome tv and also amazing picture quality, the Panasonic 4K player is pretty awesome too. It’s too bad for 2021 Panasonic no longer sells its TVs here in Canada, it’s really a shame as they have the best TVs, I still have my 12 year old 60” Panasonic plasma tv and it still has a great picture, no issues and still going strong.
I think the lowest common denominator is gonna win and we're just gonna get standard HDR10
When we get a 12 bit panel and a standard it will be HDR12 + and true Dolby Vision. Until then it's a rip off.
The main reasons for products having different versions of HDR (HDR10, HDR10+, DV) is about license fees and what the media makers and distributors are prepared to pay for. If the hardware, (TV or PJ), is capable of displaying the defined levels of High Dynamic Range (that is a defined level of brightness and contrast from the pure black to total white as determined and defined by laboratory tests - and early models of display devices were not capable), then it is simply a case of which software/firmware option is selected to install in the display device. This is why you can have all or none. If the display can handle the levels and ranges as defined by the standards, then what you get will be dependent on which fees have been paid and which chip sets are installed in the display device (or AVR). The disc media itself must (of course) contain a version of the movie that has been graded and rendered with editors and software that also has the version of HDR the distributors want to provide. One never-discussed issue is, you can have a disc encoded with HDR10+ and/or DV, and an AVR also capable of decoding and sending the data to your TV or PJ, but your display device cannot handle the range or does it badly, like cheap TV's, the result is a crappy looking picture.
The new Panasonic gz2000 finally a tv that does all 3 format HDR ,HDR10 plus & Dolby vision
Both Philips and Panasonic 2019 OLED TVs supports HDR10+ and DV. (I know they´re not available in the US.)
Great video!!!
By the way Black Panther has Dolby Vision which is a Disney film.
Very helpful, thank you.
I'll be returning the Panasonic HDR10+ player I bought for my LG C8-OLED. It supports HDR 10 and Dolby Vision. Honestly , I didn't know about all these formats :(
So if i have an all samsung set up and i pop in a dolby vision disc im not getting hdr?
You get HDR but not Dolby Vision
@@JeffRauseo Right but your not getting Dolby Vision ether. How about HDR10+ ,thats what your getting. Dolby's own website has a PDF on Dolby Vision and the first spec is a 12 bit panel to see DV. You guys need to do the homework and tell the truth because people are getting ripped off .So instead of worrying about likes and hits and perks let get some truth, your like and hits will go thru the roof , people like truth.
Here in the UK we are lucky to receive both Dolby vision and HDR10+ on one TV set as we have Panasonic TVs and the GZ2000 does both.
I have the top of the line tcl tv and I've been blown away many times!
...four years on, has there been a change, how many HDR10+ 4K releases compared to Dolby Vision, and how many 4K without HDR?
It's seems this dilemma 'war' is still frustrating! Dolby Vision & Dolby Atmos have good synergy, but at a cost. History has shown that formats with more accessibility and openly available tend to win.
I think we’ve about reached the the point we’re the human eye can no longer detect these minuscule differences. This isn’t VHS to DVD or DVD to Blu-ray.
But HDR has nothing to do with resolution.
The "war" is over, Dolby Vision won with HDR being the default base standard. HDR10+ is finished. The consortium website hasn't been updated since the start of the year and has only small fry supporters apart from the 3 companies that started it, two of which have given up on the format, leaving only Samsung pushing HDR10+ and they don't produce any content.
HDR, HLG and DV will remain, HDR10+ will be forgotten about like HD-DVD soon.
oh man. i have LG UBK 80 4K BD Player and Samsung TU7700 Tv..
I was wondering why my 4K discs was a little bit flat, looks really good with top gun but could look better??
HD DVD FTW I hated when they lost. Swore I never buy another physical media movie and certainly never on Blu-ray. Promise kept until 4K Blu-ray came out. Now I have some 80 titles on that format.
I just bought a brand new Panasonic that does both Dolby Atmos also works through arc so I can watch Dolby Vision & get Atmos through the amp when watching Netflix
Hi love your channel 👍 But i think you should invest in a decent mic!!! The audio is not the best very tinney and hard to listen too!! Please not a negative just a thought.
I have a question for you, i have a Xbox one X and just found out that they dont have Dolby vision in the blu ray drive. do you know if theres a date for them to upgrade their blu ray drive? thanks from Brazil, keep making this great vídeos.
Great video I love my 2020 65" LG CX with Dolby Vision a plus plus shame on Disney for not supporting physical media again.
more people than you would think use gaming consoles as disk players. would be interesting to see a video on what the hell formats they put out as against dedicated bluray/4K players.....
The all these format wars makes me dizzy.
Gotta dis agree on the Disney 4Ks not looking much better than the blu ray. Sure it’s disappointing they aren’t doing Dolby vision, but HDR in itself plus the resolution bump is easily noticeable and welcome. At least to me.
My Oppo player plays both HDR10 and Dolby vision. Depending on the disk, either HDR10 or Dolby vision will appear on my screen momentarily when I put the disk in. And regardless of what format it is, they look totally awesome on my 65 in. LG Oled TV.
Well panasonic and Phillip's are doing both this year lol and we dont get them over here in the US lol that sux great video
Great video! Should be interesting to see the first comparisons of Godzilla - King of the Monsters and Alita Battle Angel, HDR10+ versus DolbyVision... keep up the good work!
I can tell you ,no difference DV 10 bit panel = HDR10+. DV 12 bit panel well that's something really different. Sadly for consumers there are no 12 bit panels yet .
Tcl is a great choice if your on a budget, I spent 550 on a 2017 model with a Sony 4k player a couple years ago. I was going to upgrade to Dolby but might be better to let things shake out. Thanks for the info
Keep up the good job! Very informative!
Here's an update for you Panasonic tvs the TX58GX800B tvs do all HDR content Dolby Vision, HDR 10, HDR 10+ HLG
Justin Byrne Just like their 4K players support the formats also. Got two 820's one for me OLED where Dolby Vision can be viewed and one for my LED where hopefully I can get HDR10+ soon.
I did not see an explanation about HDR vs HDR 10 vs Dolby Vision
HDR10 is standard metadata. Your TV basically composites what the color should look like based off the first and last frame of the movie. Dolby Vision and HDR10+ are dynamic metadata. Your TV will optimize color based off the scene or frame by frame. Furthermore, Dolby Vision and HDR10+ will have differences in nit rates and the brightness capability they're mastered; this is where the TV's ability to tone map correctly comes into play.
@@wclark3196, You're correct. I edited my response. Thanks for pointing that out.
Panasonic is doing both, but is not available in the usa i think?
Nope.
I got a panasonic jx850 4k tv last year 40 inch and had to switch dolby vision off as was making pictures a bit too dark. This was the case with both streaming movies and blu ray player. Tv was expensive too for a 40 inch tv and got good reviews.
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Are there more recent updates on whats going on DV vs HDR10+ battle? Looks to me HDR10+ is prevailing?
Dame. I didn't know abt this. Almost got myself a samsung player with my OLED! How abt oppo player?
Just get an Xbox one s
So if a movie supports HDR and dolby vision, should u turn on both? I'm pretty ignorant when it comes to technical stuff. My 4k blu ray player has dolby vision but I'm never sure when I should use it.
Kool video! What do u think of the Xbox one x 4K player?
Alcrats I used to use my Xbox one x as my 4K player, but ended up buying a separate player that supported Dolby vision as well as hdr. I found out Xbox only supports Netflix for Dolby vision and nothing else. HDR is fine though.
Hi Jeff,
Really liked the video I definitely think one of the best TVs for this is the Sony ZD9 (Z9D as you know it in North America).
I say this as also as supporter of the 3D format so at least that way you’re getting a 3D TV with a premium HDR experience for your 4K movies.
Yes I know this comment is very convoluted because obviously 3D and HDR have no relationship at all but again if you’re a collector of 3D movies and have a collection of 4K movies as well that might be something else for an end user to look into.
I’m not however sure about other manufacturers such as Samsung, Panasonic and LG with their legacy TVs they have since been discontinued as with Sony.
Ultimately I just think HDR formats need to be streamlined as to not confuse the general consumer because not all consumers can be nerds.
If I was to have a bet I’m going to assume that James Cameron himself is responsible for saying put both HDR formats on Alita, I’ll be looking forward to that review from yourself because that movie is fucking amazing.
If there was ever a movie that needed anybody’s support for a sequel and unnecessary sequel not something shoehorned or whatever the fuck it would be this movie.
All the best and thanks again for sharing the video and your thoughts and opinions also.
I bought a Samsung tv with HDR10+ and I totally regret of it since all of my 4k disks are Dolby Vision :(
I would definitely switch your TV to an LG or Sony. You are going to miss out on Netflix’s Dolby Vision versions, Disney Plus’ offerings that both always choose dolby vision and many other films. Calling this a war is giving HDR10+ a bit too much credit, Dolby Vision has clearly won from the adoption rate
When the next gen consoles come out will they support dolby vision and hdr 10?
I heard panasonic will have a 4k tv that will be able to process both...but they pulled out from selling their televisions to North America...theyre supposed to do a test run in Canada and see how that goes before considering selling again in the states
Great topic ! I really didn’t know the difference, you explained it very well .
I have a TCL dolby vision 4k tv and the dolby vision looks great
So much information, thanks for the heads up
My LG OLED55E8PUA does both Dolby Vision and HDR10
It also supports HLG
Should I buy a tv that supports both as my first 4k tv and a 4k bluray player
Yes, i would.
Thank you! Philips support both formats too.
Dolby Vision looks dull, and you cannot adjust brightness and contrast once it is on?
Le me realising that I've been watcing HDR10 for the past 2 years thinking it was HDR10+. No wonder the limited DV I've seen look so good.
The Sony UBP-X700 supports Dolby Vision and HDR10 so I'm confused by your explanation. I bought a Sony UBP-X800 at Best Buy about 2 years ago but I cannot find any information about it's HDR. Do you know? Sony also has a UBP-X800M2 which supports both (?)
You forgot streaming Vudu support Dolby vision across the board and Fandango supports hdr10 I have an LG C9 and when I watch Vudu I get Dolby vision and when I watch Fandango I watch hdr10 so I actually have the option of streaming both that's why I prefer to stream then to use my 4K Xbox S
Is there anything on the case that tells you if it is HDR 10 or Dolby Vision?
I have non-HDR 4K tv. My first player was Samsung's very first 4K effort with, I think, just standard HDR and it hardly made any difference to Bluray, but recently I bought a Panasonic DP-420 which is one of their budget players but is stacked with great features including support for HDR 10+ and Dolby Vision and it makes a HUGE difference on my tv. I don't know how this would play out on a HDR tv, especially a high-end set but I will be upgrading to probably a QLED soon and I will definitely be looking at Panasonic's high-end player
UB420 NO Dolby Vision
@@markciso1028 I'd read in at least a couple of places that it did have Dolby Vis, but upon looking at the specs it seems you're correct. It just says it has support for 'multiple HDR formats' but doesn't list D.V.
There are actually quite a few major brands that support both HDR10+ and Dolby Vision, and also Atmos sound 👍👍
Please name them, I’m interested.
what if you have a hdr10 and dobly vison player but your tv is hdr 10, would a dolby vison disc get converted to hdr 10
Just bought my 1st 4K tv last Black Friday and it didn’t have Dolby vision. Balls!
Another thing, Disney does do Dolby Vision movies, but from what I have seen a lot of their Dolby Vision is online, if you buy any avengers movie on Blu-ray UHD, or just purchase it online, most likely it will be Dolby Vision online, so they do have Dolby Vision movies, just rarely on desk. I think Dolby Vision most likely will come out ahead since 12 bit it is on the way in the next year or two, Dolby Vision gives us more color depth which goes to 12 bit hdr10+ is more of a political war for Hollywood, it is a Hollywood alliance format and Dolby Vision is it’s own format which deserves a lot of respect because they’ve been doing it for over 15 years experimenting with HDR technology.
By the time 12 bit panels arrive on the market there will be an HDR10+ equivalent that supports 12 bit color. Also: I think the whole appear of HDR 10+ for studios and hardware manufactures is the fact that it's royalty free.
TheInfamous I understand that Dolby Vision is a paid licensing fee, but I’d rather pay for something that I want accurately, then have Hollywood dictate what I see in my living room for free, I rather pay to have freedom, then have something free to be a slave, not a big deal in particular in this case but I just think that the ideals aren’t for me with HDR 10+ is concerned.
Well I can honestly say my 4k player supports all the formats Panasonic ub9000, however my display does not, even though its a samsung 4k display it's from 2015. Time to upgrade soon. Which display to get that's the question.?
Can you make a video about audio set-ups? I have a 4K TV and player and want my audio to have more of a kick but I don't know what kind of system (soundbar/subwoofer, etc.) to get. Thanks.
the vast majority of "subs" are NOT subwoofers at all. People don't understand what a proper subwoofer does sadly. I see a lot of so called subs that are simple bass enhancers and not true subs. Enhancing bass output at 35 hz is *not* a subwoofer. Going down to 10 hz is. There is only two brands I recommend for subwoofers, and they are REL and velodyne.
Too bad Panasonic don't make TVs in the US anymore so instead of having both HDR formats we're stuck choosing either Dolby Vision (LG, Sony, Vizio, etc.) or HDR10+ (Samsung is our only option for that format here in the US).
In the end regular HDR10 is the most common format of all so likely that'll remain supreme while the others will be nice premium alternatives.
ColonielLizardT4 LG Oleds support both
G’day mate I’m pretty sure the new nano LG 4K TVs support both HDR 10 and Dobly vision
I’m thinking of getting the Panasonic 65GX850A
It has both Dobly vision and HDR 10+
Hi it sounds good and it’s cheaper then both LG and Samsung
At the moment it’s selling for less then $2000 Australian
At one of our stores
Here’s a link
Can you have a look and let me know what you think of it please?
www.panasonic.com/au/consumer/televisions/premium-ultra-hd-tvs/th-65gx850a.html
I have a phillips 4k player that supports dolby vision and hdr plus and it works really good on my lg oled e7 tv
Phillips "The One" range also do both versions now
I just ordered a new Samsung 90R QLED TV and haven't even received it yet but I'm hoping that in the future that all we need to do is a firmware update if Samsung decides to have both formats. That would be the best option if this can be done. Are the formats done in software only or do you have to have the right hardware as well?
No worry Dolby Vision with 10 bit panels = HDR10+. You can't say i'm seeing DV with a 10 bit panel when DV is a 12 bit technology. Maybe the extra 2 bits won't mean anything except 12 bit panels = 64 billion colors ,something were not seeing presently.
The Last Jedi is Dolby Vision
The first UHD release of The Last Jedi actually had Dolby Vision. The second release along with the other Star Wars films only has HDR10. Just thought I’d correct you there.
I have a LG Oled & an OPPO player. They are both compatible with HDR10 & Dolby Vision & HGL.
I have the same setup, and the picture is spectacular.
Where can you buy movies for cheap prices
Oppo 203 player supports both hdr10+ and Dolby vision.
These videos are great, Thanks!
Your camera focus on the shelf behind you instead of your face?
My 2020 Samsung TV and Samsung player handles both Dolby Vision and HDR. But most movie disks avalable are HDR right now, so that's a moot point.