This Is the Rivian You WANT: Brand-New R1T AWD Dual Motor Review!
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- ( www.alltfl.com/ ) Check out our new spot to find ALL our content, from news to videos and our podcasts! After checking out the insanely quick (but expensive) R1T Quad Motor, Tommy checks out the version you'll most likely actually buy: the Dual Motor R1T. Here's what it's like!
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Test drove an R1S quad the other day. It may be the best ev on the market. It's quiet, comfortable, and it rips! If I could afford it, it'd be my choice for a daily driver
Love my Rivian R1T quad or dual it is just an awesome product. Rivian's build quality and customer service is the best I have had in a vehicle out of 36 vehicles I have owned.
Same, though mine’s been in the shop for a sagging front suspension for 3 weeks now…😢
Who keeps counting the number of vehicles they have owned in their lifetime? Humble brag much?
@@ScoobyFermentationI don’t see anything wrong about it. You sound insecure.
I look forward to seeing both motor set ups at tumbleweed ranch.
Would really consider a dual motor r1s, but that price is a big obstacle! That said, I’m so happy to see so many jobs created by Rivian, so I wish them all the success in the world.
I have a quad motor, I would 100% get the dual non-Performance setup on my next Rivian. If you’re wondering which one to get, test drive them. The quad is fking fast, just excessive 😂 I would absolutely get another Rivian after this one, love this truck so much.
Same. I love my early quad motor; but the dual-motor would be more than enough for my use. Especially since max pack will only be available in dual-motor. All-Terrain mode has been plenty for all offroading I've done, including soft sand and rock crawling; Sport mode I've only ever used half a dozen times "to show off" to a passenger.
Till the market tanks and they go outta business
Better odds of the shit big 3 legacy fossils tanking.
No reservations about automatically going into Conserve automatically all the time? Quad all day for me.
@@SilkySlim1049 Why? It's automatic. Like most conventional ICE AWD systems. You won't have the front tire wear like on the quad "Conserve" mode because when you do ask for more power, it kicks in the rear motor.
Sounds great for $40-55K...but not so great for $80K+
"Now, Rivian's dual-motor R1T is appearing in the R1 shop. Posted on the Rivian Reddit forum, the R1T dual-motor AWD shows a price of $80,750." - Electrek
9 months of Quad Motor with Adventure Pack. absolutely love it. That being said, after 6,000 miles of daily driving, long highway trips and two or three muddy off-road adventures. I'd go with a dual motor, 21" wheels, skip the adventure package and tonneau cover. I still love putting it in Sport and launching it, but its not necessary.
Luxury vehicles aren't about need, they are about want.
That’s kinda the point my guy
Define ‘luxury’?
I feel like Rivian missed out on the opportunity to make the dual motor better. Put in locking differentials and it will out perform the quad motor version offroad. When things get tough having locked diffs is much better than the separate motors trying to figure out how much power to add to which wheels and when.
They could have added locking diffs to the dual-motors (and if they want to, they still can do so in the future via software), but that would have cannibalized the quad-motor sales
Would love to see the dual motor and the quad motor on your TFL slip test!
The dual motor is nice, I'd be interested in the base, but it needs to be ~15k cheaper IMO. 75K is a big ask for a 270mi range truck.
For 5k less, the F150 lightning XLT extended range is a much better deal. While the F150 isn't quite as nice inside, and the software is still mediocre, I think the tradeoff is worth it. The 9.6kW pro-power function is really nice too.
Even though there will be adapters, probably going to wait until NACS comes on these trucks. Plus I'd like to wait a couple more years until my current vehicle is paid off as this would be a secondary vehicle.
employees 7k people....made in the USA... that's real cool
I’d love to see/hear what an R1S is like on the road. 95% of people who buy the R1S will never take it off road, so how does it perform on pavement, gravel & of course snow! Rivian forums are littered with people complaining about rough ride in the R1S. Great overview of the differences in dual motor, helped make up my mind!
I had a forest green decked out model for a couple days before flipping it. Why? Because the wife and I like the Tesla Model X (latest gen) better... smoother, more quiet. The R1S was great on pavement, drove awesome in 6 inches of snow on freeway at 60 mph, but the internal pump system was loud. Also, not as roomy as the X in our opinion. But we had friends that liked the R1S better. But on the road, it was great but not as good as the Tesla.
I had rented a rivian r1t on turo for a week to see if loved the ev truck life and boy did I. I had a rivian dual motor larger battery pack on pre order for 4 months. It came time to build it. The total before tax here in nv was 97k I did pick the off road package. Being a bigger guy and transporting things here in town. The f150 lightning seemed like the smarter choice. Lightning msrp is 79k, almost 20k less.
Canceled the rivian pre order. Very excited for my lightning. Should be here end of September.
I did avalanche color with lariat package.
How do you like your lightning?
@@user-tw4my6go5fhey! Have had it 3 months now 7k miles. I absolutely love the truck. Fords quality is good it’s not Lexus but it’s pretty good. It’s super fast. Features are great in the lariat. But can’t go wrong with any trim. They have decent incentives right now too :) 10/10 would recommend
I can't wait to see some real CO offroad testing on the Dual. It's a shame they're canceling the yellow. It'd look so great offroading in the Rockies.
Well done tommy your crushing this stuff I’m so proud of you all the time. Love you bud
Planning to test drive an R1T soon and was curious about dual motor capabilities so this video was helpful
The dual motor is pretty much the same price as the quad when it first came out.Also why not have a smaller wheel option with more side wall tires for better efficiency and off road.
Love Rivian as a company. I am picking up my R1S Quad motor this Saturday. Couldn't be happier with the decision. But I might go for Dual Motor for the truck in a year or two!
Congrats! How long did you have to wait since placing your order?
@@scut1179 we pre ordered march 2022. We only got it now because we got access to the R1 shop. I think we ended up picking our r1s within a week of gaining access.
@@jambaman916you are very lucky . I put in the preorder early 2021 , and I just got my R1S two weeks ago .😅😅😅
Can't wait to see the R2T and R2S!!
The background cricket sound starting at pricing segment 😂 13:49 !!! Subtlety is impressive if it was placed there on purpose!
I was lucky to get the quad at the dual price (early order), and it is amazing, but I would not hesitate to pick up the dual motor SUV as a family truckster. The quad is frankly too violently quick for hauling kids and pets. With 835 HP restraint is key.
LONG TIME fan and sub to TFL and also about to GO TO WORK at this RIVIAN PLANT :) awesome video to see, thanks guys!
Great video tommy !!
Love that old factories are being recycled.
Really want Rivian to finally come to the UK. We currently only have one Electric pickup here, and I know more are coming; but looks, performance and efficiency wise, the R1T would likely wipe the floor with the competition.
One?
Are you talking about the maxus?
That's a proper shit-box.
@@perpelle that’s the one. It’s an absolute abomination
This would be a killer setup if at least the rear motor had a locking diff.
cant wait to get an R2S: needs heat pump, NACS, and 800V. instant buy!
Rivians gotta survive to build it though. Minus out the GA factory costs and they are done in 12-16 more month's based on the current capex burn rate. Raised over 23+billion and they may well go bankrupt before even offering the r2 series vehicles. 😑
@@4literv6 yea, none of that matters obvi
I went to ISU for undergrad which is in Normal so when I heard that Rivian was going to use that old Mitsubishi plant to build their vehicles I wanted to support them & the town I called home for several years as both a student & a local. However the prices were insane so I had to do a hard pass. After the tax credit this is something I might be able to consider now.
Youre right, that IS the Rivian I want. And I would be willing to pay up to $48,000 (not counting rebate) for one! Way more than a pickup should cost, but thats an extra cool one and justifies the extra money.
Glad to see Rivian offers a vehicle pick up at the plat location. BMW and Mercedes have been offering this for years. A fun experience for the buyer to see where the vehicle was made.
Still looks great! It’d be so exciting to se me them get some extreme testing at Tumbleweed Ranch!
What people want more range and tesla charging
Yes, Yes, and a lower price. Hopefully the coming competition will help some.
Would really love to see a dual motor with lockers
Really compelling vehicle. If the Cybertruck specs aren't up to expectations the dual motor Rivian would be a good alternative.
Thanks for the video. Did they happen to mention the capacity of the MAX battery pack? I have a MAX Quad on pre-order from years ago. Max Pack is no longer available with the Quad motors, so they bumped us down to the MAX Performance Dual. What really sucks is the price difference they give for us early pre-orders is only a $500 discount going from the Quad to the Performance Dual, instead of the $3000 they charge for new orders. I'm still trying to decide if it's worth sticking with the MAX upgrade for $10k more than the Large battery pack, and downgrade to the Performance Dual instead of the Quad motor with only a $500 price difference. I would save $9500 going with the Large Quad configuration. I'm not in a huge hurry since I want the redesigned powered tonneau cover, which they haven't yet started offering yet. RJ also mentioned that they were working on a Max Pack Quad still on a past IG live video, so have you heard if that is still in the works?
Does this have the plug in like the Ford does ? Where you can power other items ?
I can't wait for you guys to test these two drivetrains back to back. I actually think the two-motor has the potential to outperform the four-motor off-road. Toyota's ATRAC already outperforms Rivian's four-motor torque vector programming due to the simplicity and power of a typical brake hydraulic system. Not all brake torque vector programming is the same obviously but if Rivian can approach the same level of precision that Toyota and Land Rover etc achieve then I think it will outperform the four-motor, especially given that controlling wheel speed in an off-road EV is more difficult than in a tradition truck with low-range engaged. Edit: Just watched the little clip of the brake torque vectoring "working"....hahaha. Working isn't the word I would use. The wheel clearly hangs in the air and spins freely for several seconds longer than Toyota's system would've done. I imagine the reason they're saying the four-motor will be better is simply because they're not using the brakes aggressively enough. Your own channel testing has proven that the 4Runner and Land Cruiser et al already perform notably better with considerably less wheelspin than the four-motor Rivian so obviously their brake torque vectoring has a lot more potential than they're alluding to. TFL should try to get a Rivian R1S, a Ineos Grenadier, and a Toyota Land Cruiser and 4Runner all in the same test together to see what happens.
How was the wind noise from the Thule box. I have one, too, and mount it on the forward position for easier loading. The front of the box ends up right over my head (Driver) and is a little noisy. The front position offers a wider stance for the box compared to the rear position you used. I’m curious to hear how it went for you. Thanks.
I'd actually prefer reg springs shock setup (adjustable even better) less weight less issues, probably better handling!
The most interesting part is, they don't need to run around in golf carts from 1 end of the plant to another, their own trucks can.(being EV and all)
They still use golf carts 😂
Nice job. Can’t see why to purchase now util spec and price of CT and they used NACS.
Ive seen rivians on roll backs around here lately. Im not sure if they have issues or ran out of juice.
I've always thought Rivian has a great product. I would like to see this tested a little more extensively off-road. I know you guys have done videos in the past on that. Reason why is I want to see what the throttle control and response is off-road. On a conventional torque converter ICE setup, you can hear the engine rev and you'll know how much power you're applying to your tires. Does this Rivian have a similar feel? Or does it cut torque if the motor gets overloaded? Maybe artificial RPM matched noise would be helpful in this situation?
I like the price at $73K. While still high, I think it's within reach of more buyers. Sub $60K would be ideal, but I think that ship has sailed.
I recently had read a Jalopnik article headline (the article wouldn't load) where the Journalist was at this plant (assuming it was the same press event) and for some reason there was a Mitsubishi Triton in the parking lot. Any ideas as to why?
does it still have a parasitic phantom power drain problem ?
If only Rivian had gone through with their plans to bring their trucks to the UK!!! 🇬🇧
Is there ever going to be RHD version with CCS2 charging for those of us who have to drive on the other side of the road? I saw both R1T and F150 Lightening imported into UK at the Fully Charged Show this year - F150 is miles too big for our roads and made the R1T look small even though it’s bigger than my diesel 2023 Defender I feel it isn’t too big for our streets.
thats def the one i want to buy. the upgraded dual motor with the max pack. i dont think you can get the max pack with the quad. their build your truck thing on their website is lacking. the performance difference between the performance dual motor and the quad is pretty small.
Don't you pick the Corvette up at the plant or is that a museum delivery? It's close enough
Sad that there’s no locking differentials.🤷🏼♂️ 18:14
Looks like they took the same design as GM EV's, which have had oil cooling and bar wire ('hairpin') wiring since the early Bolt in 2017. It's the most optimal design, pretty much only Tesla goes with the old magnet wire and water cooling approach.
Do they still eat the battery while sitting unused?
Is that gap in the fender flare production. Wouldn’t you just throw mud and rocks through it.
Rivian has just been killing it with their design, execution, and customer service! I had my doubts early on, but have been pleasantly surprised. Keep it up Rivian 👍
I see TLF made up with Rivian! Nice video Tommy. Honestly, I still don't see the value in the Dual except for Rivian on cost savings and vertical integration. I have a quad and we tow a good bit of long distance with a camper. Dual Max w/22" tires is 360 miles or 170 ish towing vs 143 miles in my Quad (we normally get about 1.1miles/kW so only 27 additional miles). My build today would be $92,250 vs $94,250 for a Dual Max and $99,250 for a Dual Performance Max. Just feels like I'm giving up a lot for a Dual...Quad has Conserver Mode which I can self-select. Tommy, drive a curvy road (spirited driving) in Dual vs Quad. The Quad in Conserve should be similar to a Dual and it feels a bit scary or tail-happy, put in Sport or All-Purpose and it's on rails. For me, the Dual needs to be a lot less money.
Dual r1t standard pack and large pack model's without many options qualify for the tax credits though.
I think that is the hook rivian is counting on. Especially as the credit moves to a pos redeemable rebate starting Jan 1st of 2024. 👍🏻
@@4literv6 I can't remember the time frames from the IRA...Rivian is building their own packs, but not batteries, so I think at some point the tax credit gets cut in 1/2? Because of imported cells.
@@Eric-xp1kl good point, I believe the rivian lfp base pack is going to have catl supplied cells?
And they use someone elses 2170s for everything else.
However there is a blending rule that tesla has managed to meet to get the full credits this year. That has you still qualify if only a certain percentage of the model's sold have those imported cells. You can assemble the pack's locally using a certain amount of local materials and labor. Thereby qualifying for the credits.
It's all quite complicated though and convoluted to understand imo. With percentages and materials imported from trade partners that allow you to qualify for them escalating each new year. 😑
With tesla already advising come Jan 1st of 2024 the base model 3 is likely to see reduced or even eliminated U.S. tax credit access.
What kind of camper are you towing?
@@tracythorleifson4108 A totally rebuilt 1969 Shasta. It's only 16' long and 3,500 lbs but has the aero of a parachute.
I have a a quad and still desire a locker. The distribution and wheel speed differential makes it a bit unpredictable.
When do they come with the NACS Tesla port?
The biggest issue with the quad motor, which I have on order, is that you cannot get a 400 mi battery pack with it. It only comes with the dual motor. And that's a real problem. Because I really want the quad motor, but I'm not willing to compromise on the range.
With the duel motor you can install real duel lockers in the differentials. Quad motor can simulate a locker in theory but they screwed it up bad and it does no such thing. You would think it’s one f**king line of code that says wheel speed left = wheel speed right in “locker mode” . Go aftermarket get the duel and install lockers. Unless rivian hires some tesla engineers , then they can really take advantage of the quad motor for once.
Rivian needs a locking differential option in the dual motor variant.
If I was ordering today, I'd get the dual. My order for a quad is only $500 more so changing isn't worth it.
Quad also has an extra year of warranty compared to dual
Very cool!
Still 20k over reasonable. Bought my Tesla for 40k and my Jeep for 40k. Can’t justify dropping 75k on this…
You can’t compare a model 3 to R1S . I have a model Y , not even close
Dual motor performance with the max battery pack would be my choice.
I’d be _really_ interested to know the real world highway towing range of the max pack dual motor with a 5 - 7,000 lb camper. Frankly, TFL towing tests have scared me off both the Rivian and Ford e-trucks. They’re cool vehicles, but they just don’t cut it with my truck usage. I’m hoping the dual motor setup might make a positive difference.
It probably won't make a huge difference. The big range killer on EV trucks on the highway is drag, and a camper at 70 is like pulling a parachute. Weight isn't nearly as relevant once you get going unless you're gaining elevation.
Agree….my current ICE truck loses about 50% of range when I pull an airstream but the huge difference is that I can pull into a gas station and fill up easily. Even using the Tesla supercharger network (wife drives a Tesla) it won’t work for quite some time without the ability to pull through. Imagine dropping a boat/trailer every 200ish miles.
410 miles or 660 kms is impressive BUT here in Canada that would not get me to my camp because there are no chargers once in the mode northern parts of Ontario. It is hard to find a gas station in many areas. I will be dead before tbis becomes main stream...if it even does.
Was it me or did the wheel go backwards on that one articulation test?
GM allows you to take delivery of a new Corvette at the Bowling Green KY where they are made.
I am all for the dual motor, but what is hard to swallow is that they now price it the same as what the quad motor used to be priced at.
I know a construction employee that says Rivian is building something in North Carolina. What do you know about that?
at the 9:15 mark the front tire in the video actually spun backwards. wth is that?
The quad motor is on par if not better then locking diff.
The time the computer required to “think” does not stop the torque delivery
Spinning wheel in the quad motor does not mean less torque in the gripping wheel
The dual motor just isn’t for off roading at all
Dual motor plus e-locker would steal customers from the quad motor, but maybe we will finally see one if they get rid of the quad motor someday.
My man here has been bulkin up a little bit I see
Whats interesting is that Rivian could make the Dual motor the better off-roader, but they don't. If the dual motor had. locking differentials it would be able to vector MORE torque to individual wheels than the quad motor ever could. The quad motor delivers 206/247 lbs-ft per motor Front/Rear. After reduction of 12.9:1, each wheel can get 2657/3186 lbs-ft front/rear. (That sounds like a lot but anything with a low range beats these numbers)...
With the dual motor performance, each motor has 428 lbs-ft. The front ratio is 11:1 and the rear is 13.7 so that means 4708/5863 lbs-ft front axle/rear axle. Right now it's open diff so no more than half of each of those make it to the wheels with brake based traction control, so 2354/2931 F/R to each individual wheel, which is slightly less than the quad motor. If you put a locking differential in there you can vector 100% of the motors torque to individual wheels meaning FAR more torque to individual wheels compared with the quad motor. Plus a locking differential solves the biggest problem with quad - speed and torque biasing software. You can't "lock" a quad motor because syncing wheel speed and wheel torque is extremely complicated - You can't just send equal current to each motor because the motor with no traction would then not spin the same speed as the one with traction. It's all done with software and its not easy. With a locker speed bias is taken out of the equation so you don't have to worry about it, just send the commanded torque to the motor and let the axle figure out the torque split instantly with no wheelspin issues. Even a light limited slip with traction control would be able to bias more torque, and more quickly than the quad motor could.
Looking at the non-performance dual motor the numbers are 305 lbs-ft for 3355/4179. With a locking differential front and rear even the lowest power dual motor could deliver between 25-30% more individual wheel torque compared to the quad off-road.
Trying to decide if I spend $1000 MORE for the dual motor just so I can get the additional range of the max pack with the dual motor (so $8000 more total) … 😢
You forgot to mention that the warranty for the dual motor configuration is inexplicably shorter than the quad motor. The quad motor basic warranty is 5 years 60k miles, and 8 yr 175k miles on the drivetrain and battery. The dual motor is reduced to 4 yrs 50k miles and drivetrain 8 yrs 175k miles but battery 8 yrs 150k miles. Do they not have as much faith in their own battery engineering (vs the quad motor made by Bosch I think)
Moonswatch nice 👍🏻
Maybe Rivian should read the comments! People telling them over and over it’s too expensive for what you’re buying. I just bought an ice truck because of this idiotic pricing.
The German Mfgs let you pick up at the factory. BMW's is especially cool, as is (was?) the VW one in Dresden I think? (glass tower, vending machine thing)
Love the channel but can you guys either change your video recording settings on your iPhone or use a different setup. The stuff recorded on this video and a few others have jutter throughout the video that makes it very unpleasant.
I think TFL needs a R1T
“One in the front” points to the back, “and one in the back” points to the front. 😅 Classic
410 miles range? Is that with AC on or off?
AC doesn’t make a lot of difference to EV range. Heating the battery pack in freezing conditions does.
i have a quad motor...and still want more ;)
I see Kyle...
Good to see the hairpin design in the stater. Efficient.
i wonder if my V stocks will ever go UP
Love how they software lock the higher HP variant behind a ridiculous price.
can't figure out why the minimum range changes as well if its just software change
Here in Canada we get -20f, -30f in the winter, these electric vehicles become almost unusable in such harsh conditions. It shows how little battery technology progress industry has achieved, its very disappointing 😞
Check out EV reviews from Norway. It’s just as cold and what is out there now works. New technology going into production will make things better. If your car is plugged in, you can warm it and the battery with about $1 worth of electricity,same as remote starting an ICE vehicle, but a lot cheaper than gas or diesel.
Please add rear wheel steering Rivian!
Wow this is exactly what the cheap slowpoke mall crawler Rivian dads have been asking for! Haha
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Rivian really missed the boat on not putting locking diffs on the dual motor. Even the dual motor Cybertruck as dual lockers. Oh and the ridiculous price.
$5000 upgrade cost for a change in programing code for speed? Insane!
When I go offroad I want a big, clunky lever to pull and hear something go "snik!"
Still too expensive. I mean this is a way smaller truck than a Lightning. $60k starting and this would be a winner.
Don't care about the acceleration but diff locks on dual-motor could be nice. But then again, who am I kidding - can't afford any of them brand new. Also not available in EU.
I feel like were in stage two of how electric vehicles are sold to the public. All the manufactures were scrambling to put out good numbers when they were bringing these products to market. Now their starting to pull back a little and giving us more mileage which in turn is giving us a cheaper product. These are still niche vehicles and still quite expensive. Give me a two motor, RWD with all the batteries and make it under 60k. That is the truck or SUV of the future.
Totally agree. We need less motors, more range, lower price. People will eat it up.
@@justinstewart3248 plus nacs for all the evs and every manufacturer also needs to ensure they qualify for the tax credit?
A credit which is crucially moving to a pos redeemable rebate starting Jan 1st of 2024!
This alone will drive new ev demand in 2024 imo. As you get it instantly vs filing for it saving on the taxes and interest costs.
I bet it will make 25-40% more market demand in 2024 for any qualifying evs.👍🏻
I thought it was a Saturn plant?
You used to be able to pick up your Corvette from the factory.
It really sad that they do not offer a locker for the rear of the dual motor for off road. Big mistake!